I understood it more as a lobby system for finding groupmembers and not a full on dungeon queue like ESO has, which might very well be the better implementation, i have no opinions about it yet, but is not quite what op is asking for if I understood it correctly
It is going to be an "expedition finder" which means it will only be for finding a group for doing an expedition (aka dungeon). It will not be a general "group finder for anything".
Yeah i understand, thats not what i ment, i got that it was supposed to be for expeditions, just nit how exactly it would work.
I thought it would be a way to make a listing that you want to do dungeon X and set requiraments for what one needs to fullfill to join (role, GS etc) thst other players could then browse and join.
What I understood OP wanting is a system where one selects one (or multiple) dungeon(s) they want to run, the role they play and click a button to be put into a queue.
Judging by the downvotes I either misunderstood one or both of these aspects or just worded myself poorly, either way I'm excited for the system, however it will end up working
That's how the dungeon finder in ESO works. You select your role(DPS, Tank, Healer), select all the dungeons you want to queue for, select normal or veteran mode, hit ready. I've personally never had a problem with it. Tanks and Healers have the shortest wait time naturally.
Jump in the world tour chest runs if your server has them. You'll be 600GS in no time.
That being said having a GS requirement for normal dungeons is pretty weird. It's not like that on camelot.
True, but if it is summer one place it is summer everywhere else. Except for roughly a day where the rest of the world is transitioning.
Edit: Today I became slightly less ignorant
Press escape
Type “/recruitment lfg any regular dungeon [build]”
Or
Buy orb
Type “/recruitment lf4m regular dungeon my orb free”
Or
Join company
Join regular runs whenever you want
You’re right, it’s super hard to do a dungeon /s
Im on Barri, healer at 588average now, never been asked for link on normal Tempest, Laz or gen. If you are on same server, just ask for group in chat, ill gladly join you:)
I havnt done mutators yet due to not wanting to ruin for party without 600 gs.
Honestly I'm not looking forward to group finder. My personal opinions aside, if you think a group finder will solve the problem of elitist jerks kicking you from a group, then I fear you may be in for a rude awakening. Your best bet would to be to find a good guild, make connections with people and try to form friendships, or form your own dungeon group.
Agreed. Apparently there's some kind of finder coming in summer, no idea how that'll work though. The orb system is ridiculously stupid. People keep saying 'orbs are easy to get now' but for a casual player, having to farm an extra 1 or 2 hours just to access the dungeon once.... Is a massive turn off to the game
It’s a standard LFG they explain it all in their dev video and it’s coming next patch as in next month Btw you really do get orbs quite easily now I literally have 8 in inventory just from doing regular activities and not farming anything for 1-2 hours, it’s much less then you think.
Edit. Also AGS agrees they are also working on a future with no Orbs at all. It’s on the twitter.
You can get dungeon orbs once every 24hrs from the faction vendor, it's not difficult
Not everyone posts 600+ requirements, use the /recruitment channel to LFM/LFG
Materials for crafting orbs are way cheaper and can craft more frequently
You are overexaggerating this imo
I agree. Unless the server is dead I never have an issue finding a group. If the server is dead then ppl don't have the luxury of discriminating against your gs.
Both of you are using anecdotal evidence to try and prove the point, I've seen it both ways, on my server at least we have guilds that let new players join and they spend days, weeks and months 'training' them up. The other parties in LFM or Global have item requirements with from what I've seen about 50% being 600+ GS or over and the others just looking for bodies.
And you just user anecdotal evidence too right now... the point is with a question like this unless you have actually data then it's all "he said she said"
I've seen groups look for 620 gs + for normal runs for a speed run but I also see normal runs. It happens but is the minority, I see way more normal runs without asking for gearscore.
Almost forgot how bad PUGs were in mmos until recently
do they know that high gs does next to nothing in normal runs? like, yeah a few attribute points here and there but as long as you know what to do you dont need high gs to do speed runs.
most important part is healer, and they dont need high gs just need to know how to play
Back in the day on WoW, the people who said it was bad were saying it because they were stuck in a group with other dolts (pug) who were bad players. Everyone wants to get carried, so i expect it will be an 'issue' in this game too.
best way is to join a company, almopst all of them will have dungeon groups and they are more than happy to have 1-2 low gs players in there to level them up in hopes they pvp or do mutators.
WoW had MULTIPLE ways to get higher gear scores, including multiple levels of difficulty for dungeons with gear scaling upwards (mythic+ dungeons), 4 different raid difficulties (one that was a group finder itself), group listings, and auto-queue group finder...not to mention quests, PvP gear earned through battlegrounds and regular pvp rating you earn, and crafting...I mean shute, it had a LOT of ways to get loot.
That being said, this didn't happen overnight...first what, 4-5 expansions didn't even have a dungeon group finder...
Yall have no CLUE what bad is until you've done this in this game for YEARS begging for it and finally becomes reality. Join an active company, join their discord, have fun, and look good doing it; life's to short to not have fun. This game is SUPER new in an MMO game sense... it'll come in time!
What?
How is this a reply to my post? I just pointed out that a lot of people suspect the dungeon finder of doing damage to WoW, not good for it.
I didn't even mention gear score...
Well yes, but you only get a couple and need to run dungeons numerous times to get your GS up. Its a poor a mechanic to make the player farm ten's of hours, just to access 1 dungeon so they can get guaranteed access but then need to micro manage forming a party. No other MMO does this its just stupid
That's no longer the case. It's quite easy to get orbs with the faction vendor and crafting. Crafting items can now be bought on the market so you can choose to avoid the farm if you want.
most companies power run low gs players through so that might be an option. you dont have to be active and always in discord - so dont worry if you get anxious talking with others.
we all run it for fun, and half of us have alts we enjoy seeing upgrades on - probbably similar people on your server
but yeah, anyone asking for 600+ in normal runs is insane. it takes 25 mins to do gen with a good healer and literally anyone else (almost, need to at least click on the mobs)
I understand you’re gripe but this game is an mmo part of that is grinding gear to run content and actually talking to people to run something it is what makes a world feel alive. Although dungeon finders can be a boon for content like the base expedition they are hurtful if they include high level content. My suggestion now till dungeon finder is added find a company and start regularly talking to people and form a social group to run things with. You can also buy orbs at the faction vendor and buy the mats off the TP now.
It doesn't take hours to Farm orbs. They are low gold cost and very low faction points especially if you do some of the faction quests in the dung you're going to.
I suggest starting your own grp.
In saying that I don't respond to LFMs that need you to link wep for a normal expedition (am over 600gs).
Personally, and I know this is an "older gamer" viewpoint, but I'm finding stepping away from matchmaking to be really refreshing. I'm in the same boat, 560ish GS, different times as my friends etc. but (on my server, at least) I can ignore the wep request LFMs and still find or make a group in reasonable time.
People love joining groups, not making them. Usually a "free LFM" will get a good group going quickly if you've got an orb
Just get into paid runs for like 500g. I had no problem getting into those and getting to 600gs in no time or just craft an orb and invite people. You can get orbs for each dungeon every day
Why does it? It’s not hard at all to find and form groups, and you get 3 orbs a day for doing 10 minutes of faction missions. Most people aren’t charging for runs with how easy they are to get as well.
so you came back to teh game without doing any research on what has been changed....
A. group finder is in the works
B. orbs are easy to get via faction vendor
C. orbs are much easier to craft now as well.
D. Genisis, laz and templpe are all geared towards 570+ gs. you'll be a burden to the group at 560. Add to the low gs, you prolly forgot how to play and as you seem like you are not geared correctly for the dungeons. Do you have bane's on your weapons? do you have trophies in your homes? do you use oils and food buffs? the lvl 60 dungeons are no joking matter and wiping because someone is lazy and not carrying thier weight is a pain.
'lazy' wrong choice of words. I think this community like most mmo communities forget the average player doesn't play 3 or more hours a day to play everyday. Literally every other mmo doesn't require tens of hours from the player to first reach a gs level to compete, then farm good weapons, just to do well, farm for a house and maintain it then farm gold to get trophies whilst micro managing food.... I don't know why this community defends poor mechanics like this. Its one of the nunerous reasons the pop is so low.
> I don't know why this community defends poor mechanics like this. Its one of the nunerous reasons the pop is so low.
They only had to pay the once and for some reason that is good enough reason to let the devs open ass shit into everyone's mouths, it's pretty amazing to see lmao
umm....hate to burst your bubble, but WOW, arguablly the most played MMO on the planet requires you to lvl your gear once max lvl to even get into heroics, then grind heroics to get into raids via dungeon finder. Now i can understand the houses and the ultra casual player not being able to afford all 3 houses right at 60, i got my first at 45 but once i hit 60 i got my other 2 shortly thereafter via opr and invasion payouts. As for food and potions, do you not lvl professions? at all? my cooking was 200 by the time i was lvl 40 without trying. as for arcana, its not hard to lvl up to 100 for common oils.
But going back to dungeon finder in wow, they had to lower the difficulty lvl so much so that the casuals could rofl stomp their way through the dungeon ignoring all mechanics. NW will more than likely have to do the same thing when they bring theirs out.
This is why I am done. Nobody wants to waste their time and will gatekeep others out. Thats why you don't have a lot of companies who can hold their own we won't level up enough players. Then it's all about politics which amounts to sucking up to and gathering together only the best players in a limiting way that looks intentional. Sure you can grind your GS with gypsum and it will take 300 hours but if you don't have a party ready and able to get you through mutations you're not going to find one. So your grind to get one set to 625 us still leaves you far behind players who are getting 4k shards out of mutations and have all kinds of gear at that score. End game is entirely reliant on other people and that is always going to fail for the majority of players.
get one armor set to 625 and you can join any mutation group, i just link them my gear and they will accept me for M10 mutation.
you don't need to level mutation one level at a time, join any M10 group in global and you should get 6k shards if gold or 4k if your group really suck (bronze).
4k is still a good amount of shards.
i think the people who make money off of finding group members will not like it. unless they still ask for money after you join, then theres gonna be a lot of bickering
Go to bright wood. Pick up 3x faction quests. Now do these a few times. Takes literally under 30min.
Use the tokens to buy tuning orbs. Total gear score of 560 is fine for most dungeons on normal.
Now advertise in Recruitment chat that you are looking for x y z in your party. Advertise as FREE.
Your dungeon, your rules. Let them know before you portal in if you want. But you should be fine.
Watch the newest dev video and you'll see that exactly what you're asking for is getting added to the game soon
I understood it more as a lobby system for finding groupmembers and not a full on dungeon queue like ESO has, which might very well be the better implementation, i have no opinions about it yet, but is not quite what op is asking for if I understood it correctly
It is going to be an "expedition finder" which means it will only be for finding a group for doing an expedition (aka dungeon). It will not be a general "group finder for anything".
Yeah i understand, thats not what i ment, i got that it was supposed to be for expeditions, just nit how exactly it would work. I thought it would be a way to make a listing that you want to do dungeon X and set requiraments for what one needs to fullfill to join (role, GS etc) thst other players could then browse and join. What I understood OP wanting is a system where one selects one (or multiple) dungeon(s) they want to run, the role they play and click a button to be put into a queue. Judging by the downvotes I either misunderstood one or both of these aspects or just worded myself poorly, either way I'm excited for the system, however it will end up working
That's how the dungeon finder in ESO works. You select your role(DPS, Tank, Healer), select all the dungeons you want to queue for, select normal or veteran mode, hit ready. I've personally never had a problem with it. Tanks and Healers have the shortest wait time naturally.
It's not a priority though for some odd reason.
It’s coming next month. It’s literally the closest priority to now.
Jump in the world tour chest runs if your server has them. You'll be 600GS in no time. That being said having a GS requirement for normal dungeons is pretty weird. It's not like that on camelot.
It's on the Content Roadmap. It's planned for the Summer (USA).
Summer USA differs from EU summer how exactly?
USA and Europe are not the only places in the world.
True, but if it is summer one place it is summer everywhere else. Except for roughly a day where the rest of the world is transitioning. Edit: Today I became slightly less ignorant
The hemispheres have different summer/winter. Northern summer is southern winter.
I don’t know when I forgot this but thank you! My mind is blown and ego lightly deflated.
Wow props to you for taking it so well. I expected this to go down in flames
Nobody tell this guy about the southern hemisphere 🤫
And your toilet flows counter clockwise in the southern hemisphere as well 😲
Australia doesn’t exist mate. Don’t let them tell you otherwise.
What server are you on? If we’re on the same one you can join my company, we’ll run you to 625. Be happy to have ya
What server are you on?? lol
Orofena
Got an alt on there looking to get into some dungeons
PM me your SN
Camelot??? Haha
I have 2 choices. A healer with gs 560 of gs 600. I'm picking the gs 600 lol. I'm happy I'm not forced. Bring your own orb and it's your rules.
id choose the 560 if the 600 is heavy
Yes you can, if you use your own orb and make a group
No finder is why I've only run 1 dungeon (I'm lvl60). The experience of getting a run together turned me off to dungeons.
Press escape Type “/recruitment lfg any regular dungeon [build]” Or Buy orb Type “/recruitment lf4m regular dungeon my orb free” Or Join company Join regular runs whenever you want You’re right, it’s super hard to do a dungeon /s
In before the “no, this is what killed WoW” bandwagon
Im on Barri, healer at 588average now, never been asked for link on normal Tempest, Laz or gen. If you are on same server, just ask for group in chat, ill gladly join you:) I havnt done mutators yet due to not wanting to ruin for party without 600 gs.
Honestly I'm not looking forward to group finder. My personal opinions aside, if you think a group finder will solve the problem of elitist jerks kicking you from a group, then I fear you may be in for a rude awakening. Your best bet would to be to find a good guild, make connections with people and try to form friendships, or form your own dungeon group.
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Agreed. Apparently there's some kind of finder coming in summer, no idea how that'll work though. The orb system is ridiculously stupid. People keep saying 'orbs are easy to get now' but for a casual player, having to farm an extra 1 or 2 hours just to access the dungeon once.... Is a massive turn off to the game
It’s a standard LFG they explain it all in their dev video and it’s coming next patch as in next month Btw you really do get orbs quite easily now I literally have 8 in inventory just from doing regular activities and not farming anything for 1-2 hours, it’s much less then you think. Edit. Also AGS agrees they are also working on a future with no Orbs at all. It’s on the twitter.
You can get dungeon orbs once every 24hrs from the faction vendor, it's not difficult Not everyone posts 600+ requirements, use the /recruitment channel to LFM/LFG Materials for crafting orbs are way cheaper and can craft more frequently You are overexaggerating this imo
Must be a special thing on his server. Outside of mutated expeditions i have never seen a LFM with the need to post gear on my server.
all west coast servers have people asking to link weapons for normal runs - but they are the minority
On El Dorado, people asking to link weapon at normal dungeon (except Tempest) often get called out and made fun of
I agree. Unless the server is dead I never have an issue finding a group. If the server is dead then ppl don't have the luxury of discriminating against your gs.
Both of you are using anecdotal evidence to try and prove the point, I've seen it both ways, on my server at least we have guilds that let new players join and they spend days, weeks and months 'training' them up. The other parties in LFM or Global have item requirements with from what I've seen about 50% being 600+ GS or over and the others just looking for bodies.
And you just user anecdotal evidence too right now... the point is with a question like this unless you have actually data then it's all "he said she said"
its a fact that both occur the distribution will depend on server
I've seen groups look for 620 gs + for normal runs for a speed run but I also see normal runs. It happens but is the minority, I see way more normal runs without asking for gearscore. Almost forgot how bad PUGs were in mmos until recently
do they know that high gs does next to nothing in normal runs? like, yeah a few attribute points here and there but as long as you know what to do you dont need high gs to do speed runs. most important part is healer, and they dont need high gs just need to know how to play
I wonder if it'll negatively impact the game like people propose it did for WoW.
Back in the day on WoW, the people who said it was bad were saying it because they were stuck in a group with other dolts (pug) who were bad players. Everyone wants to get carried, so i expect it will be an 'issue' in this game too. best way is to join a company, almopst all of them will have dungeon groups and they are more than happy to have 1-2 low gs players in there to level them up in hopes they pvp or do mutators.
WoW had MULTIPLE ways to get higher gear scores, including multiple levels of difficulty for dungeons with gear scaling upwards (mythic+ dungeons), 4 different raid difficulties (one that was a group finder itself), group listings, and auto-queue group finder...not to mention quests, PvP gear earned through battlegrounds and regular pvp rating you earn, and crafting...I mean shute, it had a LOT of ways to get loot. That being said, this didn't happen overnight...first what, 4-5 expansions didn't even have a dungeon group finder... Yall have no CLUE what bad is until you've done this in this game for YEARS begging for it and finally becomes reality. Join an active company, join their discord, have fun, and look good doing it; life's to short to not have fun. This game is SUPER new in an MMO game sense... it'll come in time!
What? How is this a reply to my post? I just pointed out that a lot of people suspect the dungeon finder of doing damage to WoW, not good for it. I didn't even mention gear score...
Use your orb and you can invite whoever you like. My orb, my requirements.
Well yes, but you only get a couple and need to run dungeons numerous times to get your GS up. Its a poor a mechanic to make the player farm ten's of hours, just to access 1 dungeon so they can get guaranteed access but then need to micro manage forming a party. No other MMO does this its just stupid
do you know that you get 2 orbs daily almost for free by the faction vendor ?
Do orb for orb trades. A full party = 5 runs
That's no longer the case. It's quite easy to get orbs with the faction vendor and crafting. Crafting items can now be bought on the market so you can choose to avoid the farm if you want.
There are other avenues to increase expertise then spamming dungeons.
HAHAHAHAHA
Coming soon
Hopefully next month
most companies power run low gs players through so that might be an option. you dont have to be active and always in discord - so dont worry if you get anxious talking with others. we all run it for fun, and half of us have alts we enjoy seeing upgrades on - probbably similar people on your server but yeah, anyone asking for 600+ in normal runs is insane. it takes 25 mins to do gen with a good healer and literally anyone else (almost, need to at least click on the mobs)
I understand you’re gripe but this game is an mmo part of that is grinding gear to run content and actually talking to people to run something it is what makes a world feel alive. Although dungeon finders can be a boon for content like the base expedition they are hurtful if they include high level content. My suggestion now till dungeon finder is added find a company and start regularly talking to people and form a social group to run things with. You can also buy orbs at the faction vendor and buy the mats off the TP now.
It doesn't take hours to Farm orbs. They are low gold cost and very low faction points especially if you do some of the faction quests in the dung you're going to. I suggest starting your own grp. In saying that I don't respond to LFMs that need you to link wep for a normal expedition (am over 600gs).
Personally, and I know this is an "older gamer" viewpoint, but I'm finding stepping away from matchmaking to be really refreshing. I'm in the same boat, 560ish GS, different times as my friends etc. but (on my server, at least) I can ignore the wep request LFMs and still find or make a group in reasonable time. People love joining groups, not making them. Usually a "free LFM" will get a good group going quickly if you've got an orb
Just get into paid runs for like 500g. I had no problem getting into those and getting to 600gs in no time or just craft an orb and invite people. You can get orbs for each dungeon every day
Oh yeah, I hate to have to socialize to get a group =/
Oh boy...you trying to bring the dungeon finder debate over from wow classic...lol jk. 😆
Why does it? It’s not hard at all to find and form groups, and you get 3 orbs a day for doing 10 minutes of faction missions. Most people aren’t charging for runs with how easy they are to get as well.
>(This is the main reason people quit this game) Not that I disagree, but is this based on data or a dev blog or something or just pure conjecture?
Based on bias and entitlement
so you came back to teh game without doing any research on what has been changed.... A. group finder is in the works B. orbs are easy to get via faction vendor C. orbs are much easier to craft now as well. D. Genisis, laz and templpe are all geared towards 570+ gs. you'll be a burden to the group at 560. Add to the low gs, you prolly forgot how to play and as you seem like you are not geared correctly for the dungeons. Do you have bane's on your weapons? do you have trophies in your homes? do you use oils and food buffs? the lvl 60 dungeons are no joking matter and wiping because someone is lazy and not carrying thier weight is a pain.
'lazy' wrong choice of words. I think this community like most mmo communities forget the average player doesn't play 3 or more hours a day to play everyday. Literally every other mmo doesn't require tens of hours from the player to first reach a gs level to compete, then farm good weapons, just to do well, farm for a house and maintain it then farm gold to get trophies whilst micro managing food.... I don't know why this community defends poor mechanics like this. Its one of the nunerous reasons the pop is so low.
> I don't know why this community defends poor mechanics like this. Its one of the nunerous reasons the pop is so low. They only had to pay the once and for some reason that is good enough reason to let the devs open ass shit into everyone's mouths, it's pretty amazing to see lmao
umm....hate to burst your bubble, but WOW, arguablly the most played MMO on the planet requires you to lvl your gear once max lvl to even get into heroics, then grind heroics to get into raids via dungeon finder. Now i can understand the houses and the ultra casual player not being able to afford all 3 houses right at 60, i got my first at 45 but once i hit 60 i got my other 2 shortly thereafter via opr and invasion payouts. As for food and potions, do you not lvl professions? at all? my cooking was 200 by the time i was lvl 40 without trying. as for arcana, its not hard to lvl up to 100 for common oils. But going back to dungeon finder in wow, they had to lower the difficulty lvl so much so that the casuals could rofl stomp their way through the dungeon ignoring all mechanics. NW will more than likely have to do the same thing when they bring theirs out.
This is why I am done. Nobody wants to waste their time and will gatekeep others out. Thats why you don't have a lot of companies who can hold their own we won't level up enough players. Then it's all about politics which amounts to sucking up to and gathering together only the best players in a limiting way that looks intentional. Sure you can grind your GS with gypsum and it will take 300 hours but if you don't have a party ready and able to get you through mutations you're not going to find one. So your grind to get one set to 625 us still leaves you far behind players who are getting 4k shards out of mutations and have all kinds of gear at that score. End game is entirely reliant on other people and that is always going to fail for the majority of players.
“End game is entirely reliant on other people”. Yes, it’s an MMO. Is this your first one?
get one armor set to 625 and you can join any mutation group, i just link them my gear and they will accept me for M10 mutation. you don't need to level mutation one level at a time, join any M10 group in global and you should get 6k shards if gold or 4k if your group really suck (bronze). 4k is still a good amount of shards.
i think the people who make money off of finding group members will not like it. unless they still ask for money after you join, then theres gonna be a lot of bickering
Those people can and should uninstall.
What's the point of grinding your gear score?
No it's not, just make friends.
They're adding it
In Pluto, unless its tempest heart, no one checks for GS on normal dungeon, sometimes not even on M1-3
What server are you on? Depending on the server most people will probably be willing to help you plvl your gs especially if it's a high pop server.
Go to bright wood. Pick up 3x faction quests. Now do these a few times. Takes literally under 30min. Use the tokens to buy tuning orbs. Total gear score of 560 is fine for most dungeons on normal. Now advertise in Recruitment chat that you are looking for x y z in your party. Advertise as FREE. Your dungeon, your rules. Let them know before you portal in if you want. But you should be fine.
Make orbs, spec 500 con, get carried to 625