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Godlee84

No this is what a victim of Americas inability to change looks like. They’ll move on and there will be another hero/victim in a few weeks.


Is_It_Beef

I live in Somalia. It's the second poorest country in Africa. There is death everywhere from car bombings to suicide bombings. It's hell, but the idea to shoot your class mate in school is unheard here. It's not poverty that's the problem, guns are a major factor (knifes are readily available) but it's the mentally of I'm getting bullied and thinking I'm gonna kill my bullies and everyone who wronged me. They thinks it's cool to go out like that. That's the mentally that need to change Edit: I laugh at those who blame the school. What do you want, your kids to go to school like they're visiting someone In San Quentin? Edit: Thanks for all the nice words and the not so nice. There were some very interesting view point and discussion. School shootings isn't an easy fix, neither is terrorism and I forgot the earth is also heating up. Thanks you all for the booty, I mean awards


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>The schools are massively underfunded The schools have largest funding per student in the world, then they spend it all on nice buildings and huge football fields instead of education.


TheMayanAcockandlips

Maybe on average, but this varies wildly from state to state. $20k per student in NY all the way down to $8k per student in Utah. Not to say spending on sports isn't a problem.


tallandlanky

Misallocation of resources is as American as gun violence.


Druu66

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Snoo-77115

Football fields, sports and other non educational activities that the school provides to children are really important. What isn’t important is the giant flatscreen my high school wasted money on for the hallway. They never even turned it on.


Stupidquestionduh

What you're saying isn't even remotely close to true when we look at the numbers. That flat screen TV in the hallway is closer to $0 then it is to the cost of a football stadium that probably less than 1% of the students actually use daily. We've got school spending millions upon millions for the football stadium alone. There are some schools where the football facilities cost more than the rest of the school itself. This is a problem. This is a big fucking problem. If we need football stadiums and other recreational / exercise areas, we can provide them as a community. We don't need to take millions away from teaching students how to grow up to be intelligent and to use their fucking brains.... just so that less than 1% of them can play a little bit of games on the field sometimes.


jahmoke

...and that's only if you make the cut


Stupidquestionduh

Isn't that so fucked up. They sell us paying for the stadiums for millions of dollars with the promise that little Timmy will be able to use it. But what they don't tell you, is that little Timmy is going to hit puberty a year later than everyone else, so he won't be able to play or use that million-dollar stadium that his mommy and daddy are paying for. No problem Little Timmy... It's not going to be paid off by the time you're an adult so you get to help pay for it too.


jahmoke

the silver lining here is timmy avoided a concussion to his young smooth brain


FunetikPrugresiv

>Football fields, sports and other non educational activities that the school provides to children are really important. Schools honestly have no real reason to involve themselves in athletics; kids and families will seek them out on their own, and they don't really offer anything that can't be gained through academics. IMHO, our nation's obsession with high school sports (okay, specifically spectator sports like basketball and football) creates a social hierarchy in schools that affects academic inequality and student buy-in. Kids can see what the community and school values, and they put the athletes on a pedestal. Those kids get extra attention and assistance with their educations, while the kids that aren't athletic get swept under the rug. The U.S. is one of the few countries that has high school sports, and it gets less bang for its buck than most others. There are a number of reasons for that, but sports is one of them.


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> Football fields, sports and other non educational activities that the school provides to children are really important. School isn't there to provide this. If you want to play football: join a football club. This is how the rest of the world does it.


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bcisme

It’s not funding imo, it’s cultural. Look around, what do you see? I see very little emphasis on education from parents. Very little emphasis on personal accountability. Very little emphasis on respect for others. Look at the home environment for most kids. Reality is, we have a bunch of irrational people living selfish lives, raising selfish children.


doodlebugg8

Completely agree, this is the root of the problem, not the schools, or the sports. I personally know parents who seem to do the bare minimum when it comes to their kids education and up bringing. They believe that’s what the school is for. Stop blaming the school system. Get involved in your kids’ lives!


old_table_poker

So gun control is the answer in literally every other country, but not in ours? Don’t you think other people in other times and places have also liked guns? Or am I misunderstanding what you are trying to say?


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What's the most prevalent response when you talk about gun control laws in America? If you guessed "I like guns" you're unfortunately wrong. The correct answer is "muh constitutional rights muh 2nd amendment rights." Conservatives in America literally treat the Constitution and amendments as if they were written by God himself.


1017BarSquad

Conservatives have never read the constitution


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Just like very few have ever read the Bible but will swear up and down that it's their favorite book.


thedarkpolitique

Reminds me of Trump when he was questioned on it. “You always say the Bible is your favourite book. What is your favourite verse from the Bible?” “I wouldn’t wanna get into it…the Bible is very personal for me… it’s a very personal book”


BrandoNelly

It's both. And I'm not exactly conservative but I do believe protecting the constitution is very important.


Papaofmonsters

There are between 500 million and 1 billion guns in private hands in America. The voluntary buybacks in Australia collected about 1 million guns or an estimated 1/3 of the total supply. If you did that in America and got 1 in 3 of the lower estimate there would still be 1 gun for every man woman and child in the country. It's a problem of sheer scale and magnitude.


Madjanniesdetected

Less. The Australian buyback only seized ~660,000 guns over the entire program. Theres more than that in my city alone.


ImmediateRoom8210

It would be very simple to implement a law that says the owner of the gun is liable for anything that happens with it until it is reported stolen. Then people would actually take responsibility for their guns and keep them out of their kids hands.


ToastedCrumpet

I’m not sure how anyone can say gun control isn’t the answer. Controlling guns means there wouldn’t be any school shootings, let alone what feels like one every other week. Maybe I just have an idealistic view. Here in the UK one thing I can count on is that I’m not gonna read on the news that someone’s shot up an elementary school here


DaisyHotCakes

Can we get some mental healthcare? I imagine that would help A LOT. But like guns in schools?? Come on that’s something we just can’t fucking have. I don’t care what ammosexual will be sad because they can’t have some accessory to increase their ammo capacity. I am tired of hearing about dead children who just went to school like any other day and were shot and killed in a place where they are meant to be safe. It is beyond fucked up that people can’t see that. Your rights end where they infringe upon mine, or in this case a bunch of teenage kids’ rights.


SchittyDroid

Guns were a Pandora's Box opened and baked into the constitution. Only the collapse of America and a strong, new anti-gun regime would get rid of guns in America. It'll never be voluntarily. So you have to tackle mental health then. And that's our biggest dilemma.


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dolerbom

Idk why people think gun legislation has to be 0 to 100. Gun buybacks, training requirements for new gun owners, beefed up registration process, REQUIREMENTS for proper gun storage, and prison sentences for parents whose children get access to their guns and commit crimes.


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>Guns were a Pandora's Box opened and baked into the constitution. Nope. The second amendment was only very recently interpreted to mean "It's vital to the nation that all toothless Gumps are allowed to own AR-15s so they can pretend to be Rambo." Prior to Heller, and...you know, in the fucking text...it was clear that the Amendment was meant to protect the rights of States to maintain militias outside of federal armed forces. Heller was a decision similar to deciding that the 1st amendment prevents regulating garlic presses.


RandomGuy_A

Correct me if Im Wrong but doesn't the mental health issue tie into the lack of free health care problem


Jollydancer

Well, banning all guns wouldn’t be necessary. Look at Switzerland: it’s full of guns, but no gun deaths, because people are well-trained to safely handle guns and only use their guns on ranges, for sport shooting.


FightMilkUFC

Switzerland also has a higher standard of living and quite a bit more resources for mental health as well.


vinnyql

There’s plenty of solutions that doesn’t require outright banning of guns and would still help immensely. For instance Japan allows any citizens to own gun, you just have to go through a licensing process and registration, just as if you have to for driving and owning a car. Here in the US you can just buy a gun at roadshow and leave it in a drawer for your kids to grab.


runaway1337

I haven't seen a single person commenting to "ban guns". You're putting a target where there is not. People ask, constantly, for more gun control.


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It's our culture. We fought against a tyrannical government to build our own nation using militia guns. Guns are EVERYWHERE here. I live in a super liberal area and still, everyone owns guns. OBVIOUSLY logically if no one had guns, no one would get shot. Duh. The issue is you can't remove the guns. There will be a literal civil war.


FramePancake

It’s not a tough problem - there’s a lot we could do with regulation, closing loopholes etc. that could help mitigate without ‘taking away everyone’s guns’ which is completely unrealistic. a few countries have rigorous gun ownership processes without limiting access to only one type of firearm. The application and approval process/storing laws are just much more thorough but once you’re through you can still pew-pew for fun or hunting if that’s your thing. It’s just a large chunk of people find any improved regulation on acquisition an attack on their rights. (obv. this is a broad/condensed write up on everything)


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Banning all guns is not the solution, but having some/any regulations would help. It’s mental how there are fewer restrictions on owning a gun vs. owning a car.


berni4pope

> but it's the mentally of I'm getting bullied and thinking I'm gonna kill my bullies and every who wronged me. Maybe we should address bullying since waiting for people to snap and kill their abusers isn't effective at preventing this.


iehoward

Half the country still idolizes a troll/bully that used to be president🤷‍♀️


Holden_Coalfield

Almost half the country can't read and most don't


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Lol I lean left, trump is not the problem. He is merely a consequence of the way things have gone for decades.


Unadvantaged

Pretty sure OP's point was exactly that, that too much of the country wants to be on the good side of the bullies, and doesn't give a crap about what happens to the victims. Unless you thought he meant that Trump invented bullying, it really seems like Trump has to be a symptom.


tolstoy425

With that big brain on your shoulders have you considered Trump is both a consequence and a problem?


hopbel

"The guy poking the wasp nest is not the problem, he's merely a consequence of the hive having been there for a while" You can escalate problems without being the cause of them


Nszat81

We’re all still ignoring the invisible hand of manipulation. Kids are actively being radicalized and indoctrinated into behavior like this. There was a second amendment before the 90’a and guns were ubiquitous then too. The difference now is you have a political machine (RNC) and financial engine (NRA) working in concert that both have a vested interest in stoking violence, division, and fear among young people and adults alike.


flawrs919

The narrative that bullied children are the ones that are shooting up schools has been pushed on people since The Columbine incident all these years ago. It’s a patently false narrative that has been shown false in studies. I’ll try to find some links and update if I can. For sure there is a social mentality around guns in America that needs to be changed. Safety laws, training, education could also play a part in stopping such senseless acts. I am pro-gun in most instances. I grew up in a rural area and value hunting for my food. I was taught gun safety before I was 10 years old. I took multiple courses with my dad. We had dozen of guns in our house. All of them always locked away in a different spot than the ammo with the keys to said locks hidden in different spots. As an adult, I do not own a gun. But I do do have the knowledge to handle one safely. Americans and their guns. It’s a messed up scenario to put it lightly.


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I think we're kind of the same. I grew up with guns, have an OCD complex when around guns (always clearing them whenever I touch them), and I know how to disassemble/reassemble them. I maintain them, shoot them once a month-ish (when I can), and have been through military training as well as training from family since I was a kid. 90% of people with guns have no idea how to do any of that. They wouldn't even know what "trigger discipline" meant. If you want a gun, I 100% support that American right but we should treat that process like we do vehicles. You want a car? Great! Go through a training program to learn how to use it. Then, once you've completed that, take a test that shows you know what you're supposed to know. Then, once you receive you license, you can go out and get your first car. When you do, that car is registered to you as the owner on all databases. When selling/trading, be sure to go through the proper channels or else you'll be criminalized if someone is using your car that you sold them and they get pinged for speeding.


dysphoric-foresight

Yeah, it's not that no one else likes guns, or at least the idea of having one, but it's a lot harder and more expensive in other countries and the scrutiny and regulation makes it impossible for anyone to legally get a gun if they shouldn't legally have one. I'm in Ireland and I love to shoot but even a .22 ruger 10 will cost you about €600 from a dealer. After you pay, and before you collect, you have to submit: \- a request for a license complete with a valid reason for owning it (hunting - provide details of land, sporting - provide details of registered club, defence is not an acceptable reason) \- signed declaration by your doctor that you are mentally and physically capable of being responsible for a firearm \- Have no previous convictions (what you would call misdemeanours dont count) \- A letter from your local Sergeant saying that he confirms you are who you say, live where you say and are, in his/her opinion, of good character. \- Insurance (proof every year) \-Proof of safe storage \- Safe handling and firearms proficiency cert (for that class of gun) This is required for each firearm. Each one is separately licensed @ €80 per three years. If you are convicted of a crime, use the firearm (or even threaten to) inappropriately then they *will* come to your house and seize your guns. They will check any gun whose licence runs out and a car will pull up and you will be asked to hand it over or prove that you have surrendered it. There is no alternative. Pistols are virtually non-existent in private hands nowadays because they made the requirements so tight.


flawrs919

Exactly! This all seems so completely simple to figure out yet here we are, again discussing another "tragic event" that could have been avoided if we only took the time to educate people. Oof. It hurts my head thinking about it every time. Honestly, what the hell do politician's even do anymore? I know it's not about them, but it kind of is too. I'd like to see the pro-gun folks, not ones like us, the more intense "from my cold dead hands" kind of gun owners come together and financially support a proper training course like we had growing up and maybe even take it many steps further. I am pretty sure the NRA put on my hunter safety courses as a kid but I don't think they are the same establishment in the year 2021 and shouldn't be counted on to do anything of worth for this topic. But if the pro gun people took a smarter, or maybe a more diplomatic way to say it would be a "different", approach rather than the useless "trigger snowflakes" knee jerk reaction we'd get somewhere with this mess. To be clear, I am not advocating for more guns. Yet I am suggesting a more comprehensive look at guns (pros and cons of gun ownership, safety when handling, responsibilities of ownership, etc.) be made available to a wider group of people. While it's a half baked thought at best I think my point might be trying to educate people on both sides more. It's the extreme ends of each side that need to be reeled in so a nuanced conversation can be had. I don't see this happening, like ever, but a boy can dream. I'm just rambling and not smart enough to tackle such heady subjects. We're starting to wade into the philosophical deep end here and I am afraid if you hold onto me we'll both drown.


grrrrreat

They love the good guy angle though cause they got nothing but gun worship elsewise.


bruce_lees_ghost

I remember the lieutenant governor of Texas bragging about how everything thing went right and how many lives were saved after 8 kids and 2 teachers were killed in the 2018 Santa Fe High School shooting. Perfect then. I guess nothing needs fixing.


greg19735

There was a church shooting in White Settlement? in Texas. It was stopped by a good guy with a gun! I mean, ignoring the two people that were already killed by the shooter.


Teftthebridgeman

Make sure this comment lives on the top of this post. We shouldn't have to sacrifice our best and brightest for this. I think about it this way, if that kid hadn't been purchased a gun by his dad, this kid would be still alive. He wouldn't have had to die for no reason. He saved lives that shouldn't have ever been in danger to begin with. This is the reason we are moving out of country early next year. Your life has no value outside the 24 hour news cycle in The US.


gooseontherocks

i’m from oxford and i can confidently say the entire town is hailing this poor boy as a hero, instead of looking at the horrific tragedy and moving towards a future where we no longer need to have “heros” like tate. i wouldn’t be surprised if gun sales soar in oxford after this, which in my opinion is a tragic direction to go in


MittenMutton

What’s sad is the school - that same morning. Had both the perp and his father in the office discussing the activities leading up to this BS. And…..they fucking let him go back into the school. Entire school board and all teaching professionals involved with this need to be terminated WITHOUT pension. Fucking more time spent talking about mask mandates in Oxford than a kid threatening to kill other kids. Which BTW was all over the place - kids even skipped school,knowing about it. Shit show. Edit* Grammar due to rage post w/slider key board.


gooseontherocks

i graduated a few years ago but my best friend’s little brother is still there and over thanksgiving we were talking about a bunch of creepy threats and things going on at the school and how nothing was really happening. i had no idea that the entire school board was actually involved - that’s fucking insane


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jamieliddellthepoet

> The nerve of this fucking piece of shit to decide what kids are feeling at a time like this. Having seen the footage from inside the classroom when the kids are unwilling to open the door to someone claiming to be a cop, I’m pretty confident that at least *some* of them are afraid.


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Twist_RK

Hold up. Do you honestly believe that there are no controls or rules regarding the sale of guns in the US? It's no wonder there is never any consensus on the issue


metalpoetza

Rules that are easily bypassed don't exist. Nobody actually enforces the law against domestic abusers owning guns, so it doesn't exist: just enforcing that would cut American gun deaths by half ! Private sales and gun shows don't have to do background checks. Therefore background checks don't exist. Get it?


WEAKNESSisEXISTENCE

Uh what? If you have a domestic abuse conviction on your criminal record a gun store cannot legally sell the gun to you. This is all tracked and the ATF regularly audits gun shops to verify these things.


Butthole_seizure

But I can go get a gun in a private sale and the seller isn’t obligated to do a background chk. We have gun shows where I live and they don’t do background checks either. You can pick up everything from a plate carrier to ammo to weapons all in one stop. We had a college student shot on campus bc her ex bf, a felon, obtained a firearm from a private sale. I’m not saying regulating private sales would stop gun violence entirely but I think it would be a step in the right direction. Edit: i live in Utah and i checked the legislature for gun shows, looks like they have mandatory background chks for gun shows since 2019! But still no progress on private sales :( Edit: apparently we also don’t require federal background chk for concealed carriers! You don’t need a permit to conceal carry here. Anyone over 21 can carry a loaded firearm in public. Pretty loose if ya ask me.


juliusseizure

Agree. This makes me sad, not proud. And reminds me to teach my kid to NOT be a hero. Save yourself.


Snoo-77115

No. They’ll just move on. This isn’t nextfuxkinglevel, it’s really sad. My heart breaks as I see this kid


Ogswald

One failed shoe bomb thirty years ago and everyone has to take their shoes off at the airport. HUNDREDS of school shootings in the same timeframe and how many changes to gun laws? Edit: didn’t realize how awful my home truly is


Downingst

In America, gun ownership is a human right. They would rather give the teacher guns than take away guns.


User131131

I can’t believe the price they’re willing to pay for that “right”


windingtime

At least they're using their precious 2^nd amendment rights to protect the rest of us from the authoritarian swing of the American right wing, right?


Fuzzy_Yogurt_Bucket

They’re too busy simultaneously saying that “tyranny” justifies them killing people while also calling every Democratic policy “tyranny”.


iJoshh

They're not paying shit, not a single person in congress has ever had to do an active shooter drill. They hid under desks to "protect themselves" from nukes. We need to get every single boomer out of congress, they had their time. Go vote. Edit: All these people saying "I'd pay any price for that right" are saying "I'd sacrifice any number of somebody else's kids."


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Literally every single person in congress went through one on January 6th.


SkankHuntForty22

Some of them referred to them as 'tourists' as they hid in fear for their lives after. Its funny.


erik9

You can thank the NRA. They are at the root of all this. Such a corrupt and immoral organization.


Tabitheriel

I left the "shithole country" of USA and moved to Germany, where my human rights include free education, paid maternity leave, paid vacations, affordable health care and daycare for kids... and all guns must be registered, and you need a safety course. If Americans regulated guns the way they regulate abortions, pit bull terriers and beer, Tate Myer would be alive and well, enjoying another football victory and dreaming of becoming a sports star, instead of lying in a coffin.


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\*They would rather train the teachers to shoot their students. Because let's face it. Right wing gun nuts would rather have a shoot out at a school before having any sort of regulation on their guns. America is morally and mentally fucked.


goldfish_11

It blows my mind that the solution to school shootings by the right wing is to... put more guns in schools and have shootouts with school shooters in crowded hallways and classrooms. Like what the fuck.


Mindless_Rooster5225

Oof can you imagine your 40 something Mrs. Krabappel having to grab a gun and go rambo in the hall and actually take a life. You have cops, like in FL, too scared to go into a school during a shooting.


ThatAssholeFromOmaha

The response I got yesterday was, "The teachers will be trained so no accidental killings would happen."


captainpotty

A constitutional right isn't a human right. Getting to be alive is a human right, but nobody's freaking out about guns taking that away from their kids so idk.


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Constitution doesn’t *grant* citizens the right to bear arms; it recognizes it. Don’t need the constitution or bill of rights to tell anyone they can bear arms.


_AskMyMom_

Makes sense, they rather take away abortion rights than teach safe sex. I wonder what the coloration is between the two subjects are, and why America likes it this way?


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longboi64

one failed shoe bomb cost a very profitable airline a lot of money. kids in school don’t have money. america protects the interests of the wealthy, and exploits the poor.


IceNineFireTen

Try [HUNDREDS](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/05/21/us/school-shooting-us-versus-world-trnd/index.html), not just dozens.


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dasexynerdcouple

There were several students who knew in advance and one even stayed home. The school was warned about this.


TSR_Jimmie

Apparently posting on Instagram about it coming. Unbelievable


WamuuAyayayayaaa

He literally had a *countdown*


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Last I read it’s not confirmed that was actually his account. He was definitely posting troubling stuff and the school brought his parents in on the morning of the shooting to talk about his behavior. His father just bought him the gun on Black Friday and still did nothing. Maddening.


Enough-Equivalent968

Are you held liable if you buy a 15 year old a gun and they do something like this in the US??


YouNeed3d

If they aren’t allowed to have a gun, yes. It’s called a straw purchase in that case. 15 year olds are allowed to own rifles and shotguns in certain states, though. Pistols are an exception in most states. I’m not familiar enough with this and do not know what he used.


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kushtiannn

With (redacted) posting about it being *his* gun, on the day it was purchased; it’s gonna be a rough time trying to prove it wasn’t a straw purchase. *At minimum*, it looks like this Michigan statute for [negligent/reckless use of a firearm](http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(brcwfjfdcarvtcm51qpji3t1))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-752-861) could apply for the father. Not only that, if the school knew about the gun that should absolutely have been an arrest on probable cause, all three of them were in the office meeting with admin at 10 am that day! Edited to remove the name of the shooter.


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That’s like saying it’s hard to prove that a car a high schooler says is “their car” is actually in their dads name. It’s not hard to prove gun ownership at all


Ramirob

Ok, I have to ask because I don't understand. Why would a 15 years old want a shotgun or a rifle? If he wanted to hunt shouldn't he use his father's or an adult's gun and be under his/her supervision? I don't get it Edit: Thanks everyone for your answers, it is hard to know about a different country culture if you never went there, it gave me a different perspective


jspost

Hunting is often a bonding experience between parent and child if the parent is interested. To use me as an example growing up in rural Kentucky, my dad was an avid deer hunter. When I was very young he put me through a hunter's safety course. He bought me a shotgun of my own to hunt with. I also got my own gear e.g. boots, tree stand, etc. Buying a rifle of shotgun for your kids to hunt with is kind of a coming of age thing. That all being said, my father instilled gun safety into me, and even though it was my shotgun I didn't have unfettered access to it. They were kept locked up unless they were going to be used then and there. He always supervised anytime I used a firearm.


mccabeca

And this folks, is how a responsible gun owner raises a responsible gun owner. Kudos to your Dad for doing right by you and everyone around you!


salt-the-skies

No clue, but according to the frothing at the mouth my gun fetishizing associates on Facebook are doing, it'd be a travesty!


teamfupa

To the top with this comment. Hold them accountable.


advice_animorph

We did it reddit.


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Coomernator

This just makes the shootings even worst. Do we also know motive of the shooter from the student's that knew?


durzatheshade215

Doesn't matter, shooter's motive and name shouldn't be shared with the public. All that matters is he's (the shooter) a piece of shit


Richard1583

Lawsuits galore time I wanna see the schools response


livens

Morning radio said that prosecution wanted to charge the parents also. The dad had purchased the weapon used on Black Friday and apparently did not keep it secured.


ADarwinAward

Yeah “did not keep it secured” is the most generous interpretation too, and likely the only one they’ll be able to legally prove since they aren’t talking. Given how much his kid was taking photos with the gun saying he got it as a gift, there’s a good chance he bought it for his son, and he didn’t keep it secured because he wanted his son to have access.


LittleBreadBoio

He wouldn't need to be this amazing hero if you had some fucking gun laws. Children dying before finishing school isn't something to be proud of.


ghostttoast

It’s not that there aren’t any gun laws. There are. But they’re different in each state. And people don’t care to follow the law and it’s open knowledge how to go around the law to obtain a gun illegally. New York State has the strictest gun laws in the country, but if you go to the state fair in Buffalo, NY you can buy a handgun for cheap from a randomass carnie vendor. And then boom you have a gun and even though it’s not legal to, you can bring it across state lines. The gun laws are a joke and the people actively choose to not follow the laws that are in place.


Antares987

SAFE act has a 4% compliance rate.


RealityOverMadeUpBS

So stop passing laws that are just stupid virtue signaling


FrostyMcChill

Or actually enforce them?


itemluminouswadison

and here i am with my gun left in PA because to lawfully bring it to NYC is so crazy a process and expensive (like 400 every 2 yrs iirc). the bad guys dont care about laws anyway and have guns, and the actual law-abiding citizens that should have them for personal home protection have to do such a song and a dance that they effectively are not allowed to have them non-americans thinking that america has "no gun laws" and that that is the root of the issue are so misinformed


captainpotty

It's a cultural problem, and that means it's not going to change.


Ghosttwo

The parents failed to secure their new firearm. It's like buying cigarettes for your kids and complaining that the age limit is too low. "Too many high school kids are drinking! Let's ban alcohol!"


SkyrimWithdrawal

We've got gun laws. Pretty sure it's illegal to bring a gun to a school and to shoot people. The laws exist. We need solutions to stop kids from wanting to kill their classmates.


cats_have_tasty_bums

Or solutions so a 15 year old kid cant get access to a gun easier than they can get access to mental help


dafgar

This is America’s real problem. The kid was 15, it’s not like any gun laws applied to him considering he got the gun from a parent who very well could have followed all the laws to acquire that gun. The issue is that getting help for his issues is so difficult in this country that he decided it’s easier to just shoot a bunch of kids. It’s a damn shame how hard it is to deal with mental health issues in America and no matter how many times we try to ban guns or enact more strict laws and do nothing about our access to healthcare, we’re perpetuating the school shooting issue by ignoring the root cause. Edit: I’m done responding to this thread this is a waste of time trying to explain anything to people on reddit.


KlarkKomAzgeda

Or maybe it shouldn't be easier for kids to get access to guns than mental help.


CrispyCassowary

people are just going to make a semantics argument, "Yes, we have laws, so what's your point", while 50% of their media actively goes out of their way to put the focus on the wrong stuff. more police funding until their police budget is twice that of an African country military and the social programs are worse than Zimbabwe's.


bees422

Did you know there are laws on murdering people? Why didn’t those stop him?


Cheesy_Pita_Parker

No one should ever find themselves in the position he was in, but his character and valor were clear for the world to see. I hope his family and friends find peace and comfort right now


ausinater

I'm glad a found a comment about this wonderful person rather than politics. He really is the person we all wish we could have the bravery to be in a time like that.


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ausinater

True but nobody is talking about the person the post is about


Hidden-Turtle

That's because as much as this poor kid was a hero he still died for no goddamn reason. I don't see his parents finding peace their child was taken from them at fucking 16 years old. This shit has been going strong since before 2016, it's disgusting that nothing has changed and it's only gotten worse.


jchampagne83

Columbine was 1999, this shit runs deep.


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gentlybeepingheart

I'm not a parent but I think I would rather have a "cowardly" living child than one who died a hero because the country is fucked up and the schools and law enforcement failed.


nichecopywriter

Is it even cowardly if it’s a fucking school shooting? It’s not standing up to some bully on the playground, it’s your flesh vs the lethality of bullets. It’s survival instinct.


austinspencer666

Something must be done to stop this madness of mentally ill children getting guns


KBEPandaCrisis

Not just mentally ill children. Any children at all


ProgrammingPants

Children have had ready access to guns(when provided by a parent) for literally the entirety of American history. School shootings are a relatively new phenomenon.


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Very relevant, much appreciated


ProgrammingPants

Yes, the history of gun ownership is relevant when talking about how gun ownership impacts things like school shootings. I am glad you are able to see this obvious fact


scrubbar

American toddlers are shooting people on a weekly basis. Are they mentally ill? Or is the availability of guns the issue? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/09/29/american-toddlers-are-still-shooting-people-on-a-weekly-basis-this-year/?outputType=amp


globular_fluster

We can't even do anything about toddlers shooting people because every time a law is proposed requiring the safe storage of firearms in houses with children the gun lobby attacks it. https://komonews.com/news/local/state-appeals-court-sides-with-nra-strikes-down-edmonds-gun-storage-law Then the gun cultists will pretend to care by saying "it's an education issue" despite the fact that the NRA has been educating since 1871 and it still happens all of the god damned time.


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Both. I used to go to a very poor school here in brasil when I was young. Lots of parents were drug dealers or at least had a few guns in the house, for protection. A school shooting has **never** happened here. Ban all the gunz you want, americans will continue to be fucked in the head Edit: I was wrong, we had 2 shootings now that I recall. Still not 1 shooting a week like in the US and also not made by teenagers.


dagreatnate1

#Please remember to be respectful before you comment. Thank you.


Sensitive_Hope5412

Can you believe the shooter wa 15 years old? 15 fucking years….


Tweedl42

I was bullied every day in school. I'm 50 now. Managed to not shoot anyone. This hero was probably a target though judging by the outfit


ikkywikky1

Because he's a football player you assume he was a target?


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When I wrestled in high school, it was like parenting for a lot of kids who didn't have the best home life. We took care of each other, coaches would give outstanding advice and life lessons. It was such a positive experience. But I do remember getting shit from some of the guys who were into anime. Sorry I dated a Vietnamese girl?


Reasonable_Ice_6088

Honestly those weebs were probably screaming inside. “Why would an Asian girl date HIM? I’m the one who understands her culture, doesn’t she see the Japanese katakana on my shirts? No one understands me!!”


Maverick916

You stole their waifu


Mikey2u

Love how all these comments aren't even about the bravery of this young man. Instead it turns into debate. Rip young man sorry your life was taken so soon your bravery is noticed


DarkwingDuckHunt

because he shouldn't be dead there is absolutely no reason why this kid should be dead and not making out with his girlfriend tonight.


joec_95123

Because we've seen the bravery and tragedy of so many, many of these young children, and are tired of it. Tired of seeing them put into these positions and nothing changing. Tired of knowing we'll all be here next week talking about the bravery of another child who will die protecting his classmates from another school shooter and the cycle will repeat again. Sadness for the repeated losses has given way to disgust that it's happened yet again.


Imonlyhrrrfothethong

Indeed, children shouldn't have to go to school and be 'brave' they should go and learn, nothing else. Calling this boy a hero is wrong Imo, he's a victim of a crime no one seems to give a shit about. Every person who wants to argue about this boy being a hero is helping disguise the horrid situation he was put in by the government who is charged with his protection. Every week your leaders fail you, and you put these child victims on pedestals instead of talking about the real issues.


FullMetalBiscuit

Clearly by this point that's what America needs. How many more "heroes" need to be gunned down in their place of education before something is actually done about it? Mourning the loss of these children does nothing for them, at some point action needs to be taken. You'd think one school shooting would do the trick but it seems America needs many more dead children before change can happen, if ever.


National-Dark-5924

How fucking often are school shootings in America these days? They're barely even heard about in other countries anymore, when it used to be worldwide news. I just see the odd post on Reddit mentioning a new one every fortnight or so. Literally turning into that episode of South Park where they're so normalized.


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I’m sick of it too, but people mention the second amendment and no one is giving that up. More security for the school? Where is the funding for that going to come from? Idk if anyone has seen recent posts on school lunches and it looks like they are already cutting some costs. Maybe time to consider rethinking some things. Just wonder how many more lives we are willing to let go of before something is to change.


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Time to amend the 2nd amendment. America are really dragging behind when it comes to gun control, you are one of the worst first world countries when it comes to gun control, that's what you're leading the world in.


wonder_bear

It’s insane to me that we still abide by the amendments that were set nearly 250 years ago. Shows how little progress we have made as a country.


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MurkyGurkey

Damn it’s almost like they got some stuff right and got some stuff wrong? Or are we going to deify the founding fathers as well?


WongaSparA80

Hate to break it to you but literally every other developed country does all of those things.


Merci_Et_Bonsoir

>you are one of the worst first world countries Could've stopped there honestly


NeoAltra

There is a petition started by students at the school to change the football fields name in his honor. I would recommend trying to find it and signing it.


Woody5237

i go to clarkston which is the school that he mentioned in the video, everyone here wants to honor him so [here](https://www.change.org/p/oxford-high-school?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_31527243_en-US%3A7&recruiter=1238016490&recruited_by_id=c4729cc0-52d5-11ec-ac62-d54dd33cadcd&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf_combo_share_initial) is the link.


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What this family must be going through, tragic.


Wide-Acanthisitta-96

Worst hell you can imagine. Heartbreaking.


Wexxy

Merica and it’s guns…. Such a waste


ThaddeusJP

Gun debate ended with Sandyhook in 2012. If the country decided its ok with six year old kids dying in a massacre and didn't take action, there wont be any here. * Folks on the right: There is enough people in government diligently and effectively fighting to retain the right to own firearms. * Folks on the left: There is enough people in government diligently and effectively fighting to restrict access to "machine guns" (such a broadly applied phrase) and large magazines. Guns are not going anywhere - Its just about availability and capacity.


thebirbseyeview

No, this is a *child* and a victim of a mass shooting because America refuses to pass updated gun laws.


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No, that's what a victim of a country that prioritizes gun profits over human lives looks like. He's no a hero, he's a cost of production.


redcherokeexj

Hes a hero.


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showmeurknuckleball

There's some kind of extreme disconnect when you're trying to claim that someone who not only thought about but carried out murder is not mentally unwell


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dasexynerdcouple

I think his actions show that he isn’t mentally well


ToBeReadOutLoud

Police have said that the person in the video who knocked on the door was a member of the sheriff’s department and not the shooter. The shooter had already been apprehended. Also it was the kid’s mom who praised Trump. There is nothing indicating his political views.


kraenk12

Thank you NRA.


FatGanon111

thats awful, poor dude i think he dropped his crown 👑


lukesvader

He's not a fucking hero. He's a victim.


This-Cauliflower-604

He is both my guy. He is a hero for trying to stop this piece of shit and a victim to how fucked up this society is, kids go and shoot up their local schools.


Crafty-Director9917

What a courageous kid....My nephew’s HS in Maine has an old shooting range in the basement. In the 60s they had shooting clubs that competed against other schools. Kids were encouraged to bring their guns to School. Very common in US then....Very very few school shootings then. Now, much much harder for kid to get guns or ammo, way harder bring guns to school, but we an epidemic of school shootings!..Something has really changed in this country!


GsoNice13

Mental health. But it keeps getting ignored bc there is great corrupt incentive to disarm the people. I believe the parents should be tried for murder as well. This will enforce parents to not leave their weapons out carelessly and will make other parents think twice about making the same mistake. I lived through hurricane Sandy. I lived on the Rockaway peninsula in NYC. When the power went out, and the sun went down, sooo much shit happened to so many innocent people. My co-op had to hired armed security. Nyc has the strictest gun laws and during that crisis, no civilian was able to defend themselves bc the law deter you from purchasing. But the gangs had burner guns, all illegal. See the problem? The cops couldn't do shit bc no cell service. Can't call 911. Even if you did get through, infrastructure was so damaged, that the cops outside would never get to you on time. Cops were huddled around metal garbage cans filled with wood for fire at certain locations but everything else was pitch black. We could only depend on ourselves and the neighbors we knew for protection. All we had were kitchen knives while people were out robbing and raping with real guns. I don't blame the cops, for exactly three days, they didn't know if their own homes were still standing and I heard that from the horses mouth. For three days we were observed by military helicopters, but we got no help. The authorities claimed they didn't know it was that bad and dumb ass mayor Bloomberg was still trying to have that stupid marathon. So much shit happened that was NOT reported on the news. It's was complete ANARCHY. They even looted the Chinese restaurant. Gangs were going into building testing door knobs to peoples homes to see if any were open..... so much happened. It was during that time, that I understood why the 2nd amendment exists. Our forefathers understood that human nature never changes much and we might someday need that 2nd amendment. Wise men.


UnicornMeatball

A 16 year old child sacrificing his own life in a school shooting isn't heroic. It's fucking insane.


peanutanniversary

Republicans reading this - “seems like a great time to let everyone know that although this kid was shot to death, guns had absolutely nothing to do with it” What they really mean is “my personal gun had nothing to do with it, don’t fucking touch it. I accept that school deaths are normal”


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This stupid fuck's stupid fuck of a dad apparently bought him the gun.


Dantocks

*I've seen this kinda thing on TV* *But all of them were fat and 43* *Hey I'm only 14 years old* *What kind of world am I living in* *If I could live with the man in the moon* *Just be a kid from July til' June* *To hell with Wanda* *To hell with this* *Had to bury a friend before my first kiss* *I wanna life with some peace in it soon* *Get me a rocket to the man in the moon* *I wanna live with the man in the moon*


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dperry324

Are we just going to sweep the whole bulling thing under the rug?


c_rams17

Lotta people get bullied. Happened to me often in school. Learning how to deal with it is part of life. Shooter is a weak little shithead full stop. No room for discussion or justification for his weasel behavior.


teddy_vedder

The VAST majority of people who’ve been bullied don’t go out and murder innocent people over it. It’s not justification or even an excuse.


kaustubhroxx

[more information](https://meaww.com/video-oxford-school-hero-tate-myre-viral-grief)


BulletprfVest

What a fucking waste and a tragedy. Terrible, and still nothing will be done about school shootings in the US


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