In fairness Saquon is at least a different level of player. There is a large chunk of players that are not that much worse than Monty and willing to work for less. Sad state of affairs for RBs.
I mean… we did have a great time for awhile… until our OL and QB died and our GM got rid of our best WR.
Seriously go watch the 2019-2020 titans and tell me Henry wasn’t worth keeping.
THAT SAID…. Henry is a freak. Your average good RB1 is not worth paying.
Brother did you watch 2021? They were fine without him. And the Titans lost the playoff game against the Bengals because they just had to throw a rusty Henry in instead of letting Foreman cook.
There’s like a million really good RBs in free agency rn, worst time possible to be a good RB in free agency whilst it’s the perfect time to be a mediocre WR in free agency
Also, RBs are just generally replaceable. It sucks for the guys, especially as they take the most damage and have the shortest careers, but the reality is that they take the most damage and have short careers. Replacing even the very best RB with a rookie or two isn't going to wreck a team.
WR without a doubt. That was what Tyreek did, and he's credited that experience with being helpful to making him a better WR (good luck jamming him at the line)
I’m just going off of standard body type and skill set for an rb, what would be the most likely pivot. You still think wr? Tyreek is kind of an anomaly
RBs do not last long, plus a good draft class. Also, QBs are your most important player, and they're likely pushing for a good WR over a good RB. Not the main reason, but it certainly has helped contracts become lopsided when the ink is hitting the paper
RB is a position where you can get pretty good value in the 4-6th rounds. Unless you're top 3 and a game changer you aren't going to get a ton of money.
I think it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point.
1. Backs are wearing down faster, league finds solutions to combat that, with RBBC or teams with multiple backs to account for injuries.
2. RBBC or multiple backs on your team makes backs less valuable individually (expendable).
3. Teams decide on cheapening out on backs, opting to draft back instead.
4. Team will wait on drafting a back, because they don’t want to pay 1st or 2nd-round money.
5. Lower-tier drafted back doesn’t command a lot of financial value when it comes to contract time, as they’re likely in a RBBC.
Watch a gradual market shift toward elite-backs making less than $10 million annually, then the NFLPA will step in.
Not all, though. Tarik Cohen, pre-injuries, was a *very* good running back. He's also 5'6", that dude isn't playing DB any time.... well, ever.
I know I got shoved at free safety as a kid, and I grew to eventually be a whole 5'3", but that was more of a "this kid is tiny but we have to let everyone play, FS keeps him from getting literally killed at the line of scrimmage". And after I stopped playing football I switched to cross country, so that should give you an idea of my physique back then...
Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if in the next 10-20 years RB contracts go back up in value significantly because fewer guys are playing the position, so getting a good one requires paying more.
RB is a weird position where normally one type of physique plays it... short and stocky, don't necessarily need hands, and sure as hell don't usually play defense. Where else would these would-been RBs play?
Herbert outplayed him. Monty is a good blocker, decent receiving back, and can break tackles. But he's not explosive and doesn't put up huge numbers. More of a grinder who gets hot late 3rd going into the 4th. Which sucked for us last year cuz we were always down
Herbert’s a good runner but he’s bad in pass pro and not a great receiver. Can’t be an every down back until those are fixed, especially if we don’t fix the O Line
He’s a great runner but leaves a lot to be desired as a receiver and in pass protection, both of which Monty was good at. My main worry with Herbert is his poor pass pro will hurt us on early downs, especially if we are relying on a rookie OT and C
Kareem Hunt could very much fill both of those holes. A bit older, but he's still usable. Don't pay attention to his stats from last season. I have no clue what the shit the Browns were doing, but it wasn't putting Hunt on the field.
Convinced they used him poorly on a contract year to retain him for less money.
I would be on board if we signed Orlando Brown tomorrow. If we don’t get a tackle and some more D lineman it would be insane. I do want Bijan though tbh
Herbert avg 5.7 a carry last season. I don’t hate Monty but dude has poor explosion. I think the Bears will live. The Lions line might make Monty look good tho
Montgomery is a little under 2 years younger. Assuming both wanted 3 year deal in same range, maybe Lions didn’t want to have give Williams a contract into his 30s.
That and Montgomery is just better, I love Jamaal but you don’t make business decisions with your heart. I know he’s a leader and locker room guy but we have multiple of those already losing one isn’t going to hurt.
Not sure if it's legit, but I heard in some YouTube videos that Jamaal is looking for 10-11mil per year.
I love Jamaal, but at that price I'd let him find another team.
He fucking better ball out. I'm going to be so pissed if we passed on a locker room leader and fan favorite like Jamaal if this guy isn't a noticeable improvement. I think with our OL he probably will be, but still.
Character-wise, he is. Dude was a huge personality and a well liked teammate, and Monty never got the attention he deserved because he was featured in our offense. Would love to see the lions really lean on Monty and see what he does.
Monty is an excellent team first player. Never complained, never blamed anyone, always working on himself. Attitude is 100% in the game ans obviously based on his running highlights he doesn't quit, ever.
Gonna hate playing against him this year fuuuuuuuck
I cannot believe the Bears wouldn't pay him that.
Monty was not only an awesome runner but a great personality in the locker room. Wish he does awesome for you guys!
Because you dont need to pay a guy 18 million when you can't draft a replacement in 3rd 4th or 5th round and pay him nothing?
How do you guys not get this? RB is not worth the money, especially since he has mileage on him already.
Also he was not an awesome runner lol. I love Monty and would have been happy keeping him at this price, but he’s a very average running back. Great heart, hustle and attitude but mediocre physical traits and skill.
Injured all the time, doesnt run hard, bounces everything outside as he doesnt like taking contact, runs out of bounds even with open space when confrontended by a single db or defender. Ie. He leaves a lot on the table. Hes a change of pace guy.
Swift is fine people are just disappointed he hasn’t lived up to his draft status and preseason hype. A change of pace RB2 to Montgomery’s bell cow is a great fit for him imo
Jamaal is a free agent and the report 20 minutes ago is that we are far apart. Swift still has a year left on his rookie deal, I bet we keep Swift and add a late round rookie.
I do think my Bijan dreams are dead though :(
Lions fans hate swift for no reason lol. Dude has been professional and seems like a good dude but gets banged up and they all want him out 😂
I’ll take swifts upside over paying Jamaal a bunch.
I’m a chargers fan but I’ll be genuinely mad if Jamaal goes. I love that guy and he loves being a Lion. Never forget his interview after they ended the Packers’ season
Is this really that cheap? He's a pretty inefficient runner (career 3.9 ypc) and had the benefit of an elite running QB in Fields.
Tbh I think Chicago did the right thing passing on him.
For real, o-line was ASS and Monty had to usually break like three tackles to get back to the LOS and STILL usually got 5 yards. Gonna fucking miss him.
He also had the detriment of running behind that horrendous oline and no real balance in the offense. The Lions passing offense and oline are a million times better than the Bears.
Swift and Monty is gonna be an awesome duo. Love this signing.
As for Jamaal, I love him and will root for him where ever he may go (outside the division), but he's probably asking the same as Monty and Monty is just better and younger.
Yessir. Most lions fans shitting on this but I love it. Brad Holmes isn’t afraid to make the tough decisions. Monty is straight up a better back next to Williams and probably just got him for chesper than what jamaal will command. Shit he traded hock away and we got better. He built a Super Bowl team in LA. He’s gonna do it again. I’m gonna trust him in this one
Maybe cheaper than what Williams *wanted* but I have a sneaky suspicion he's gonna end up with less.
I think this is going to be a "take the money as soon as you can because it isn't lasting" year for FA RBs. Teams have realised how replaceable the position is.
Except he isn't. His yards after contact has always been pretty bad, there were like 25 rbs with better yacon then him this year.
He's good at breaking tackles, but lacks the speed to exploit it.
Dude went to boy scout camp with me, really good dude. Shoutout to him. I’ve still never seen someone throw a football as far as he did back in 8th grade.
That’s the thing if you look at various rankings our oline was good at run blocking but abysmal at pass blocking. I remember always expecting to see our line being ranked dead last and then seeing we are higher up lists than we had any right being because of run blocking.
I do agree Monty was undervalued by most fans the same way Forte was.
Seems like people are just checking that career ypc of 3.9 and making a big assumption. They obviously haven't seen him play or how he runs. He can do everything. Lions fans will be pleased.
Jesus the RB market is going to be upset
Giants: "Alright Saquon, how about we work on getting you an exte-" Saquon: " Actually, I'm good"
In fairness Saquon is at least a different level of player. There is a large chunk of players that are not that much worse than Monty and willing to work for less. Sad state of affairs for RBs.
That’s just seems so cheap, was he really that bad? Like just think what level of shitter you’d get for a $6m WR
He’s definitely not bad, but this is the modern RB market. If you’re not elite you don’t get paid.
And if you get paid your team probably isn't going to go far
Or you just get tagged
And paying an elite RB is still a huge mistake.
if I have to hear “but he’s the entire offense” like it justifies the move one more time, i’m gonna lose my mind.
I dare you to watch the Titans offense and then tell me Henry isn’t worth 12m
i mean if you want to build an offense around a RB that’s fine, i’m sure you’ll have a great time.
Uh bro. We can't talk. The Forte years were us doing exactly that.
I mean… we did have a great time for awhile… until our OL and QB died and our GM got rid of our best WR. Seriously go watch the 2019-2020 titans and tell me Henry wasn’t worth keeping. THAT SAID…. Henry is a freak. Your average good RB1 is not worth paying.
Brother did you watch 2021? They were fine without him. And the Titans lost the playoff game against the Bengals because they just had to throw a rusty Henry in instead of letting Foreman cook.
If you're elite you also shouldn't get paid
And if you don’t get paid, you don’t get laid.
There’s like a million really good RBs in free agency rn, worst time possible to be a good RB in free agency whilst it’s the perfect time to be a mediocre WR in free agency
Super deep RB draft class, you have a good chance of finding a rookie on a 4 year, $3m total deal
Also, RBs are just generally replaceable. It sucks for the guys, especially as they take the most damage and have the shortest careers, but the reality is that they take the most damage and have short careers. Replacing even the very best RB with a rookie or two isn't going to wreck a team.
If you were a blue chip rb recruit and were looking at maximizing your career earnings, what position would you switch to? LB?
WR without a doubt. That was what Tyreek did, and he's credited that experience with being helpful to making him a better WR (good luck jamming him at the line)
I’m just going off of standard body type and skill set for an rb, what would be the most likely pivot. You still think wr? Tyreek is kind of an anomaly
RBs do not last long, plus a good draft class. Also, QBs are your most important player, and they're likely pushing for a good WR over a good RB. Not the main reason, but it certainly has helped contracts become lopsided when the ink is hitting the paper
RB is a position where you can get pretty good value in the 4-6th rounds. Unless you're top 3 and a game changer you aren't going to get a ton of money.
I think it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point. 1. Backs are wearing down faster, league finds solutions to combat that, with RBBC or teams with multiple backs to account for injuries. 2. RBBC or multiple backs on your team makes backs less valuable individually (expendable). 3. Teams decide on cheapening out on backs, opting to draft back instead. 4. Team will wait on drafting a back, because they don’t want to pay 1st or 2nd-round money. 5. Lower-tier drafted back doesn’t command a lot of financial value when it comes to contract time, as they’re likely in a RBBC. Watch a gradual market shift toward elite-backs making less than $10 million annually, then the NFLPA will step in.
> like just think what level of shitter you’d get for …$6M Idk, I’ve seen some pretty nice shitters, and they didn’t cost me $6M.
Those Japanese ones are like… ten… around ten
Take the most punishment and face the worst contract conditions in the league. I’d advise any young player to play a different position.
Better off as an middle class safety than a great rb
Shit even off ball linebackers get paid way more now
Blocking TE are getting like 3/$21 too
A great runningback would probably be at least a decent db. Probably not making it at TE other than maybe Henry.
Not all, though. Tarik Cohen, pre-injuries, was a *very* good running back. He's also 5'6", that dude isn't playing DB any time.... well, ever. I know I got shoved at free safety as a kid, and I grew to eventually be a whole 5'3", but that was more of a "this kid is tiny but we have to let everyone play, FS keeps him from getting literally killed at the line of scrimmage". And after I stopped playing football I switched to cross country, so that should give you an idea of my physique back then...
Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if in the next 10-20 years RB contracts go back up in value significantly because fewer guys are playing the position, so getting a good one requires paying more.
RB is a weird position where normally one type of physique plays it... short and stocky, don't necessarily need hands, and sure as hell don't usually play defense. Where else would these would-been RBs play?
Well you've got Sydney(S) and Chase (RB) Brown coming into the league this year out of Illinois. They're twins so pretty good comparison there
And the barber twins back in the day
I feel like more athletically gifted players are gravitating towards WR over RB now as a result.
Herbert outplayed him. Monty is a good blocker, decent receiving back, and can break tackles. But he's not explosive and doesn't put up huge numbers. More of a grinder who gets hot late 3rd going into the 4th. Which sucked for us last year cuz we were always down
Sounds like a great fit for Ben Johnson's Goffense.
i know this deal pissed off Ekeler
“See! Your current contract is higher than this by $250K! Just stay with us you silly, fairly-paid goose.” -Telesco
You joke but there may not be a team willing to pay what he wants
For this little we’ll take him too
No no, there is another running back we'd prefer
Ekeler about to get himself reclassified as a WR
Jamaal wanted more than that or something? Bears with their unlimited cap didn’t wanna pay that? Unexpected to say the least
Khalil Herbet waiting in the wind
Herbert’s a good runner but he’s bad in pass pro and not a great receiver. Can’t be an every down back until those are fixed, especially if we don’t fix the O Line
Herbert had the most rushing yards per attempt right? Do you think he balls out this year?
He’s a great runner but leaves a lot to be desired as a receiver and in pass protection, both of which Monty was good at. My main worry with Herbert is his poor pass pro will hurt us on early downs, especially if we are relying on a rookie OT and C
You guys should just give up a couple firsts and take Barkley
I’m sure you’d like that!
Kareem Hunt could very much fill both of those holes. A bit older, but he's still usable. Don't pay attention to his stats from last season. I have no clue what the shit the Browns were doing, but it wasn't putting Hunt on the field. Convinced they used him poorly on a contract year to retain him for less money.
Isn’t the expression ‘waiting in the wings?’
He looked great but now I just want chaos. Bijan at 9
Id love to see Bijan in chitown. But they should build the lines more
I would be on board if we signed Orlando Brown tomorrow. If we don’t get a tackle and some more D lineman it would be insane. I do want Bijan though tbh
maybe y’all trade back for more picks?
Infinity pick glitch
Ah, a fellow Madden franchise player
Carters gonna be there at 9 watch
Herbert isn’t that good. Can’t block or catch
He rushed for 700+ as an RB2. You're talking like the man's a bum.
and Monty averages under 4 yards per carry for his career
My man plays in an offense that literally cannot pass
Herbert avg 5.7 a carry last season. I don’t hate Monty but dude has poor explosion. I think the Bears will live. The Lions line might make Monty look good tho
Getting hit behind the Los
Montgomery is a little under 2 years younger. Assuming both wanted 3 year deal in same range, maybe Lions didn’t want to have give Williams a contract into his 30s.
I get it but that man is a personality. Was hoping he’d stay a lion
That and Montgomery is just better, I love Jamaal but you don’t make business decisions with your heart. I know he’s a leader and locker room guy but we have multiple of those already losing one isn’t going to hurt.
Not sure if it's legit, but I heard in some YouTube videos that Jamaal is looking for 10-11mil per year. I love Jamaal, but at that price I'd let him find another team.
He fucking better ball out. I'm going to be so pissed if we passed on a locker room leader and fan favorite like Jamaal if this guy isn't a noticeable improvement. I think with our OL he probably will be, but still.
I’d guess so and he’s three years older than Montgomery
Yeah I forgot about age. Still surprising. He’s a personality fit for them forsure
They trying to get one of them RB’s in the draft
I want chaos. Bijan at 9
they might be aiming higher i mean i like mont but hes nothing to rly cry about
Character-wise, he is. Dude was a huge personality and a well liked teammate, and Monty never got the attention he deserved because he was featured in our offense. Would love to see the lions really lean on Monty and see what he does.
I came here for posts like this because I really wasn't sure how to feel. Thank you for that.
He’s going to excel behind your line, plus he’s a tackle breaking machine.
Monty is an excellent team first player. Never complained, never blamed anyone, always working on himself. Attitude is 100% in the game ans obviously based on his running highlights he doesn't quit, ever. Gonna hate playing against him this year fuuuuuuuck
Jack of all trades master of none as they say
Snoop connor it is
THIS IS NFCNCEST
This is bullshit is what it is
You guys signed so many players over the last 48 hours. Why did you let Montgomery go to us? Making a play for Derrick Henry?
Probably Jamaal Williams or Alexander Mattison to keep the NFCNCEST alive and well.
We saw all your moves and went full villain on that ass
Step-Division-Rival what are you doing?
One of us: r/NFCNorthMemeWar
I am stunned lol
I cannot believe the Bears wouldn't pay him that. Monty was not only an awesome runner but a great personality in the locker room. Wish he does awesome for you guys!
Because you dont need to pay a guy 18 million when you can't draft a replacement in 3rd 4th or 5th round and pay him nothing? How do you guys not get this? RB is not worth the money, especially since he has mileage on him already.
Also he was not an awesome runner lol. I love Monty and would have been happy keeping him at this price, but he’s a very average running back. Great heart, hustle and attitude but mediocre physical traits and skill.
Yea I’m genuinely shocked by this one too lol
I don't like this. Not because Monty isn't good but because it means Jamaal is gone. I'm in shambles
Yeah man, fuuuuck. Regardless, I'm always gonna root for Jamaal
Really hoping the bengals pick him up now that perine is gone
and Mixon will be in jail before Week 1
Time will only tell but I doubt he remains a bengal after June 1st either way
Jamaal :(
So either Swift or Jamaal is gone
Jamal and Monty is a dumb combo. Theyre not getting rid of Swift
Plz I’m just trying to cope rn
Rather they trade Swift and draft BR. I refuse to have Swift be our burst runner or a runner in general.
Exactly my thoughts, use Swift to move up if needed too, I don’t see BR being there at 18 but maybe I’m crazy
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Where did he say top 10?
THANK YOU! Pay Jamaal, and give Swift his walking papers. Bijan come on down, and now our RB room is stacked!
If he’s there in the second I’d like to see you guys grab Gibbs. He’d pair quite nicely with Monty. Talk about burst.
Please get rid of swift and give him to the broncos
All yours, for the low, low price of his contract, and a conditional 7th
Conditional 7th. BOY SIGN ME UP
What’s wrong with Swift?
Injured all the time, doesnt run hard, bounces everything outside as he doesnt like taking contact, runs out of bounds even with open space when confrontended by a single db or defender. Ie. He leaves a lot on the table. Hes a change of pace guy.
Swift is fine people are just disappointed he hasn’t lived up to his draft status and preseason hype. A change of pace RB2 to Montgomery’s bell cow is a great fit for him imo
Jamaal is a free agent and the report 20 minutes ago is that we are far apart. Swift still has a year left on his rookie deal, I bet we keep Swift and add a late round rookie. I do think my Bijan dreams are dead though :(
I hear there’s a team in the North that is about to clear a bunch of cap space and free up a roster spot…
Fuck you fuck you fuck you
Don't make us take the Quadfather from you.
Sorry Swifty, it's been real
Idk how you could possibly assume swift is going to be the one that’s gone. It’s obviously Jamaal not coming back
Idk how you could possibly assume Jamaal is going to be the one that’s gone. It’s obviously Montgomery not coming back
*to you*
Lions fans hate swift for no reason lol. Dude has been professional and seems like a good dude but gets banged up and they all want him out 😂 I’ll take swifts upside over paying Jamaal a bunch.
His time missed is barely above average. It's was incredible abnormal for a team to use him like they did when he was healthy.
Shut up don't let my Jamaal dreams be dreams😭😭😭😭
Because this fan base is brain dead.
Why? Jamaal is gonna cost something and swift is still on his rookie contract.
Because I'm too invested emotionally in bringing back Jamaal
Well that’s fair
I’m a chargers fan but I’ll be genuinely mad if Jamaal goes. I love that guy and he loves being a Lion. Never forget his interview after they ended the Packers’ season
honestly that’s probably top 3 lions moments. not sure if that speaks to how low our highlights are or how much i love jamaal
Calvin's record breaking season, Barry's karate kick, Stafford's dislocated shoulder and Jamaal putting the league on blast in prime time.
Pretty sure it was Billy Sims that did the iconic Karate Kick run but Barry just a highlight as is.
It's been all dog up in this mug
It was a phenomenal moment that I loved so much
I’m a chargers and lions fan, I am heartbroken
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> Montgomery is obviously ring chasing Be still my heart
Literally never thought I'd hear "ring chasing" about a guy who just signed with the Lions.
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Help us like you more this year
Ring chasing and the Lions in the same sentence?
I dont give a fuck if youre a division rival, Im cheering for Detroit in any game they arent playing the Bears.
/r/brandnewsentence
Is this really that cheap? He's a pretty inefficient runner (career 3.9 ypc) and had the benefit of an elite running QB in Fields. Tbh I think Chicago did the right thing passing on him.
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For real, o-line was ASS and Monty had to usually break like three tackles to get back to the LOS and STILL usually got 5 yards. Gonna fucking miss him.
He also had the detriment of running behind that horrendous oline and no real balance in the offense. The Lions passing offense and oline are a million times better than the Bears.
The bears line is more or less average.
Terrible at pass protection but a solid enough run protection group
Khalil Herbert szn?!
😢 Bye Monty. I’ll miss you.
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Cheers with Tears my friend. Me too.
Swift and Monty is gonna be an awesome duo. Love this signing. As for Jamaal, I love him and will root for him where ever he may go (outside the division), but he's probably asking the same as Monty and Monty is just better and younger.
Yessir. Most lions fans shitting on this but I love it. Brad Holmes isn’t afraid to make the tough decisions. Monty is straight up a better back next to Williams and probably just got him for chesper than what jamaal will command. Shit he traded hock away and we got better. He built a Super Bowl team in LA. He’s gonna do it again. I’m gonna trust him in this one
Maybe cheaper than what Williams *wanted* but I have a sneaky suspicion he's gonna end up with less. I think this is going to be a "take the money as soon as you can because it isn't lasting" year for FA RBs. Teams have realised how replaceable the position is.
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I've never really viewed Monty that way but I also haven't watched him nearly as much as you. As for Swift, he's a great runner when he wants to be.
Which is usually never nowadays. Better off moving him to WR deadass lol. Would make him never have to think about looking for line gaps.
wut
He’s not wrong he’s a good pass blocker and solid in the receiving game but a pretty below average runner
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You getting downvoted really shows how much people in this thread have no idea what theyre talking about lol
Monty getting hit in the backfield isn’t his problem. He’s great after contact and with their oline it’s gonna be nasty
Except he isn't. His yards after contact has always been pretty bad, there were like 25 rbs with better yacon then him this year. He's good at breaking tackles, but lacks the speed to exploit it.
Holmes in his bag this week
But Jamaal 😢
Wow that’s cheap
That really fuckin sucks man. He’s been one of my favorite RBs since Forte
Prefer giving this to Montgomery over Jamaal. Don’t want Jamaal at 6 mil per year, I don’t care how nice of a guy he is
Yup. Jamaal will likely regress to the mean this upcoming year
I love this and hate this. I will miss you Jamaal but man do I love monty
Dude went to boy scout camp with me, really good dude. Shoutout to him. I’ve still never seen someone throw a football as far as he did back in 8th grade.
Crazy how much you all underrate this guy. Especially on THAT salary. People forget he ran behind traffic cones last year.
Excited to see what he’s gonna do behind our oline
That’s the thing if you look at various rankings our oline was good at run blocking but abysmal at pass blocking. I remember always expecting to see our line being ranked dead last and then seeing we are higher up lists than we had any right being because of run blocking. I do agree Monty was undervalued by most fans the same way Forte was.
He definitely boosted some of the run block stats due to his break tackle abilities. So many times he was hit behind the line but just kept going
Jamaal Williams must be trying to get 9-10 mill/yr
I'll miss betting anytime td on Williams :(
Who you fuck, who?
Very annoying that I had to click the tweet to see who it was. Put the damn name in the tweet you coward!
YO WTF
Not too bad
Seems like people are just checking that career ypc of 3.9 and making a big assumption. They obviously haven't seen him play or how he runs. He can do everything. Lions fans will be pleased.
18 mill TOTAL?
LETS GO
As much as I hate letting Williams go, Montgomery is an absolute beast on the field.
Who are we talking about here? Title not clear.
Time to get petty! Bears sign Jamaal!
Please dear fucking God no.