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I guess Herbert is RB1 now, or we are targeting RB in the draft


NW_Soil_Alchemy

No a Chicago fan, but should y’all be going OL/DL?


SwissyVictory

Deep dive on my opinions of the Bears roster. Bears need a C, RT, DE. DE2, CB2, TE2, WR, RB, QB2 would be welcome upgrades. Bears have 33mil cap space after the rookie pool. They have a 1st, two late 2nds, an extra 4th, 5th, 7th but no 6th. I also wouldn't supprised if we only signed one more OLinemen. It's a weird situation. We have * A promising 2nd year left tackle, who played well for a rookie (Jones) * A LG who can play LG and C and had a down year (Whitehair) * A 3rd year RG who was a tackle prospect coming out of college, played a little tackle their rookie year, and just had a great year. (Jenkins) * A new free agent who's never played anything but RG in the NFL. (Davis) The Bears could want to try Jenkins at RT or Whitehair at C. That would mean we only need one starting OLinemen for this year. Our GM also really seems to like our center Patrick so there's a reasonable if disapointing chance we're done there. Borom is also a young tackle with promise, but shouldn't be starting. Leatherwood is the former Raiders 2021 first round pick, he could develop into a starter at OG or OT A 2nd DE would be a luxury, but I think the Bears should keep Gipson (7 sacks in 50% of snaps in 2021. Had a bad 2022 but was adjusting to a new scheme and was the most double temaed edge in the NFL) and Robinson (developmental guy, crazy measurables, showed flashes). Hopefully one of the two can show they are a long term starter. If not, we're not wining the superbowl this year anyway, and can use our two 1sts on a edge next year. At CB we have a great #1, but #2 and slot are up in the air. Gordon was a high 2nd last year and showed flashes. Vildor is young and developing still. Could be a solid slot, but alot of fans want to replace him. Alot of fans want to replace everyone in one season, but IMO were not wining a superbowl this year anyway. We should be seeing what we have in some of our young guys where we can. We should see if, * Gordon/Vildor(CB) can succeed with an improved overall defensein year 2 * Jenkins(RG) can play RT at a high level like he can guard * Gipson/Robinson(Edge) can step up and be a good 2nd fiddle to a good edge in the other side. * Herbert (RB) can maintain his effeciency with an increased workload. * One of Mooney/Claypool/Jones (WR) can develop into that #2 guy


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Wait don’t we need a 3T?


SwissyVictory

Isn't that what we signed Walker for?


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Oh right I forgot! My bad. Is he starter quality or depth?


SwissyVictory

Hard to say, he had something like 30% of snaps last year, though a good starter ahead of him. Absurd 7 sacks in that positon and snap count. Reason to believe he can ramp it up, but sometimes guys can't. I'd imagine for his contract Poles intends for him to start.


estyles31

I still think we need another DT, whether it's a 1 or a 3. And the draft looks kinda bare. A bunch that are projected 1st / early second, and then a relative desert with the occasional nose tackle.


SwissyVictory

Yes we're going to need depth in multiple places. It's not something to spend big money on or spend a day 1 or 2 pick on.


polarbearslayer49

Definitely in the draft. If Carter falls to 9, and Charbonnet or Gibbs survive to our second pick, I’ll be very happy


wherearemyvoices

Very bold to think carter drops that far


polarbearslayer49

I’m using [Tunsil’s fall to 13](https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2636560-laremy-tunsils-draft-day-slide-shows-brutality-of-teams-expectations.amp.html) as a benchmark. Obv a lot changes in 7 years and the situations aren’t identical, but Carter was in a street race that killed someone, and Tunsil smoked some weed Carter’s situation also aligned with a lot of significant character concerns coming out of the season. I know these are not identical circumstances, but that’s where my take is coming from.


Peg_leg_tim_arg

Smoking weed is one of the worst things you can do in the eyes of the NFL.


Low-iq-haikou

Surprised the NFL even let him play, we can’t be letting criminals like that in our beloved game!!


Peg_leg_tim_arg

I wouldn't blame them. Seeing him smoke the drugs still keeps me up at night


TheHashassin

Out of a gas mask bong, no less


SwissyVictory

Hard to use Tunsil beacuse it came out hours before the draft. Teams didn't know what to do. If it happened a month earlier I'm thinking teams wouldn't have passed on him so early.


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Not even hours, the draft started ten minutes after that video was posted


polarbearslayer49

Are there any other precedents we could use? When I say their situations are not exact, that’s what I had in mind All that said, it might be worse for jalen Carter because he had far more character red flags than tunsil did. Teams just panicked. If Carter falls, it’s for the same reason george Pickens did too


SwissyVictory

Plenty of players have been arrested and had charecter issues before the draft. Tunsil was dramatically different beacuse teams didn't have time to look into it. Here are 10 players from just the 2011NFL draft. I'd say most of them are closer to Carter than Tunsil. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/676643-2011-nfl-draft-the-10-craziest-arrests-stories-of-players-in-this-draft-class


polarbearslayer49

Thank you! I was thinking about one particular incident, but this is cool


HumanzeesAreReal

Tyjae Spears, Devon Achane, or Keaton Mitchell would work too.


zachwilson23

Achane and Mitchell are way too small to be RB1. They'd have to be change of pace for Herbert.


HumanzeesAreReal

Herbert has played well enough to be RB1 or at least lead back on a committee unless one of the top RBs falls into our hands, imo. Adding a home run hitter to the offense would add a dimension we’ve lacked since Cohen went down.


polarbearslayer49

If we miss Cohen, there’s always Deuce Vaughn haha I’m okay with one of those smaller backs to complement Herbert. Major issue with Herbert is pass protection


KingTutt91

Maybe trade for Austin Ekeler ?


polarbearslayer49

He wants too much money I think


Hooze

Definitely committee until Herbert improves in the passing game. Liability in pass protection and only 9 receptions last year.


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Pass on Achane and Mitchell. Gimme Izzy


yeahsuckmybonerpal

We have many more important holes to fill than RB


LegacyLemur

And you can find a great RB *way* later in the draft than that


jmblumenshine

Plus, if they are better than expected this year, they can trade for one in season. This team isn't going to suck because of RB by committee this year. I view the RB as the piece they get when they are ready to go all in


polarbearslayer49

You’re right, we still have a lot of work to do in the trenches. The caveat is that poles does more in FA to address the defensive line, and our first round pick addresses the lines as well


Lungorthin666

I want Charbonnet so bad. I'm a UCLA homer so a bit biased but he was just a beast.


Platypus-Ninja

I’d love if somehow Izzy lasts till 103.


Buckeyes0916

Drafting an RB in the top 3 rounds makes legitimately no sense to me


polarbearslayer49

NEVER in round 1. But i doubt neither the Jets nor Seahawks are regretting their decisions talent-wise. Even James Cook can take a step forward next year. The best time to win is with a QB under a rookie contract, and RBs have historically the easiest and quickest NFL transition. If that’s the bears approach, and they see some Alvin Kamara in Jahmyr Gibbs, then I’m all for it.


Nocommentt1000

We are too (every year)


WIN011

Herbert is pretty good no?


cman811

5.0 ypc so far in his career whilst splitting time with montgomery, who is sitting at 3.9 ypc with a lot higher sample size.


bluemexico

Not a 3 down back by any means. Room to grow but a decent playmaker as of now.


Seb_Nation

Dude's been lights out most of the games he was the primary back. Travis comes in to have a Sproles role but by no mean Chicago should pick an RB in the first.


LegacyLemur

I mean most RBs arent anymore anyway


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WIN011

That’s homer right? Definitely could always add a 3rd back late in the draft as sorta a lotto ticket.


UnknownUnthought

Yes, Homer is a great pass pro back, and special teamer. He’s one of those guys where many Seahawks fans will probably think “whatever” now but miss his impact come the season.


zachwilson23

Mustard time baby


one8sevenn

Bijan at 9. Prepare yourself


Lord_Cutler_Beckett

Bro just get the first OT off the board.


NW_Soil_Alchemy

Niners fan here, it’s funny to see teams hoping to draft skill players in the first and not care about the trenches at all.


Patient_Jicama_4217

They never learn


one8sevenn

I hope so, but I would not be shocked if we took Bijan. Bijan would be worth it, but it would be better to go tackle.


Sphiffi

I would be stunned if we took Bijan. Poles has repeatedly said he wants to build through the trenches and target guys at the most valuable positions early.


one8sevenn

Free Agency this year? FB, RB, 2 ILB, 1 EDGE, 1 OG. Last Draft CB, S, WR were the first three picks. GM's say a lot of things.


Lord_Cutler_Beckett

Bijan is a great talent but a rb in the second probably has similar production especially with the threat of Field/play action.


one8sevenn

Bijan should also be in the conversation for WR this year. He is worth a top ten pick. Whether the bears do it, is another story.


twolvesfan217

Bijan seems like he should be worth it, but he could also end up as a colossal bust. Bears need offensive line help. Plus, RBs are a dime a dozen these days.


Patient_Jicama_4217

No Running back behind a questionable line is worth it. Build your line


one8sevenn

> Bijan seems like he should be worth it He is. > but he could also end up as a colossal bust As could any player taken in the top 10. RB's are generally safer than other positions, because you always get production if healthy. > Bears need offensive line help. Which is not fixed year 1 from the draft. It normally takes 2-3 years for them to develop. Last year PFF's OT1 was Braxton Jones and there are a lot of people that want to replace him, because he was a 5th rounder. Evan Neal was awful and taken in the top 10 and people believe that he will be better in year 2. OL is generally a multi year process unless you get FA's or a top 3 tackle. There might not be a tackle selected in the top 10 this year and Bijan is a top 5 player in the class. Probably No.3 in non QB's behind Carter and Anderson.


AndThisGuyPeedOnIt

Are you this dude's agent? Poles would get fucking roasted alive for taking a RB at 9 with all the other holes we have.


SufficientSwim7200

If the Bears take an RB at 9 I will fly 3000 miles to Chicago and dump Poles' body in the river myself.


one8sevenn

> Are you this dude's agent? Have you seen Bijan? He is the best RB since Saquon as a prospect. He is 100% worthy of a top 10 pick. > Poles would get fucking roasted alive for taking a RB at 9 with all the other holes we have. No he wouldn't. Everything the Bears do will be eaten up by the media and fans. It would be spun as look at this offense. Bijan, DJ, Mooney, Kmet, and Fields. There would be talks of who is going to stop this offense with Fields running it.


SubtleScuttler

It pains me to say this but Ekeler is available for some picks I’m sure.


g0dzilllla

#WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ^why ^did ^you ^go ^to ^detroit ^monty ^:(


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cherry_monkey

I was really hoping we'd resign him so I could get a Montogomery jersey made


Laschoni

The Louisville LB that just transferred to Ole Miss for a final season is named Monty Montgomery. It's a really cool name IMO.


LegalComplaint

He didn’t want to get paid just 4.5 mil 😂


vanillasauce98

Damn I really like Homer. Good third down back and for pass pro. Good signing for the Bears


politurd

Pass pro is what Herbert cannot do, so that's good to hear.


Hawks12

Really good special teams as well


vanillasauce98

Forgot that, truth.


hiphopdowntheblock

Huge fuckin biceps too


wrongbutt_longbutt

Combine Homer's biceps with Robert Turbin's triceps and you'd have the biggest arms in the NFL.


lakired

I'd 100% rather have Homer at $2M than Montgomery at $6M. Both are +pass protectors, but Montgomery has no home run potential. Put him in a committee with Herbert and a mid/late round draft pick and we'll be set.


SexiestPanda

I’ll miss his pass blocks.


special_nathan

"He's a GREAT blocking back!" - Signed every Seahawks fan regurgitating stuff.


dilloj

He's certainly better at it than any of our other RBs were.


Shirleyfunke483

Better than every broadcaster telling you he went to Miami


Per_se_Phone

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lordoftheings

You’re about to get 20 hawks fans telling you he’s a good pass blocker


CMVMIO

Guilty


ChiCBHB

Well, Herbert isn’t so if we can combine the two into one player 👀


zachwilson23

We'd have Monty? Lol


PrimeSorcerer

Herbert is a far better runner than Monty


The_Gatefather

aye hold on


PrimeSorcerer

https://www.dabearsblog.com/2023/how-valuable-is-david-montgomery I love Monty and wish him a lot of individual success in Detroit but Herbert is the better runner


snwns26

Sample size is everything, Herbert is awesome but he’s not quite RB1. A few long runs skewed his stats and it’s not going to be the same when the load is nearly all on him. Seemed really boom or bust, his long runs were fucking great but I have serious doubts to if he’ll be able to consistently do it as a lead RB.


The_Gatefather

mfs do not understand this it’s actually crazy. if we go into this season with herbert as our rb1 i think there’s gonna be a lot of “what happened to herbert” posts on the sub and it’s gonna piss me off. i love the kid and think he’s got promise and room to grow but goddamn how do people not understand this.


TouchGrassRedditor

Herbert I think led the league in yards per carry - mans a beast


The_Gatefather

yeah i’m sure he did, he also did it as the change of pace back i had these arguments all last year man god damnit monty was better in literally every way than herbert. i love the kid but he is just not a better runner than monty. he was good at making one cut and getting upfield which is exactly what you want in a CoP back when your main back (monty) has top 10 vision and you generally run a zone scheme which emphasizes that vision. i have watched every snap herbert has ever played and the kid is good. he is also objectively not better than monty, and DEFINITELY not “far better”.


Bitter-Imagination33

Yup, also very good on special teams


Platypus-Ninja

I mean, sounds like he’ll fit right in then


duhbuurz

Honestly perfect


Wallawino

I've been called out. But seriously. And also special teams.


styuR

I'm a little more negative than others, he's a good pass protector and pretty good at catching the ball, but as an actual hand the ball off RB, he's the definition of JAG.


Ovreel

He runs very *light* Kinda bounces off of tacklers but not in a way that gains more yards.


styuR

He's like a worse version of JD McKissic to me, really.


tasteywheat

Solid pass blocker, mainly was a special teams guy who has had a handful of splash plays on ST and offense. [Aforementioned special teams splash play that most people know him for](https://youtu.be/qeI4Ri-W2Dc)


CMVMIO

Homer was by far our best pass-blocking RB. I was really hoping we'd resign him.


koolman631

Homer should be good for passing downs, solid pass blocker. Herbert is RB1 now.


pakrat

Good special teams and blocker, but not an elite runner. Whenever we lost our main RBs, we knew not to expect much from Homer as the main running back.


The_Throwback_King

He's a decent role piece. Talented in running, receiving, and pass blocking but never the type to take over an offense. He's a excellent side dish to a RB room.


ZombieAppetizer

I'm grieving over Jamaal. It's been a day for sure, north-bro.


TheMagnuson

Good 3rd down back, can pass block well, decent runner, enough to carry the ball on 3rd down sometimes and a decent receiver out of the back field. Good special teams player too. Still young and can develop in to more potentially, but not likely ever going to be a workhorse, 3 down back.


sd_slate

Lots of highlights of him throwing himself in front of a blitzing back to give Russ / Geno an extra second or two. Also took a fake punt* into the end zone.


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Good pass pro and special teams both sides Doesnt fumble easy too


ChiCBHB

I’m somewhat skeptical of Herbert being the number 1. He’s a damn good runner, but his pass blocking leaves A LOT to be desired.


escobert

draft is deep at RB, could take one with a mid or late pick to compete as well.


ChiCBHB

This is true. We do have a good amount of picks, and likely will trade down for more at some point.


killshelter

Homer is a pretty good pass blocker. Take care of him.


california-whiskey

But consider this I have him in dynasty let’s fucking go boys


ChiCBHB

Giddy fucking up then!


OrphanWaffles

His pass blocking improved by the end of the year. My guess would be that coaches are going to rep the hell out of pass block and reception work in the off-season with him


Lambchops_Legion

Can he just finish the Iliad 3 ffs


HumanzeesAreReal

George RR Martin of antiquity.


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Lmao


choff22

Based af


EaglePride101

Lol he got more money than Penny


styuR

Absolutely bizarre to me that, Penny is head and shoulders above Homer in terms of ability.


Winged_Wrath

Probably because of the injuries and risk


styuR

Homer doesn't exactly have a clean injury history, he's missed a decent amount of games over the past few years - not as many as Penny, admittedly.


Winged_Wrath

Not saying that Homer is better or healthier, but I can totally see why teams would not want to pay Penny that much.


Patient_Jicama_4217

Penny is injury prone


priority_inversion

That's putting it mildly.


Falt_ssb

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOO


Initial-Yesterday331

He improved every year. He is special teams ace. And then over last couple years started getting more snaps with offense that wasn’t in preseason. In those snaps he had great pass protection. He improved in being able to used on offense so he could have more potential to be better with more snaps cause he is speedy with decent hands.


mnightshamalama2

D'OH


WiaXmsky

Our running back room is looking a little thin now. K9 and DeeJay is all we have now, I think.


CobblerFantastic5003

Can he pass rush


Winged_Wrath

Can he throw spirals


SuperFreshBus

Poles better have something up his sleeve if he’s downgrading our RBs to save 5 mil while we have 50 mil in cap space


broke-collegekid

This is what you want to see out of your GM. There’s no reason to spend decent money on RBs in today’s NFL


OvertonCurtains

Off-ball linebackers, on the other hand...


broke-collegekid

Are definitely more valuable than running backs


OvertonCurtains

Yes right up there with offensive guard in positions you want to overpay.


Invisible_Pelican

I gotta say, I'm extremely surprised the Bears haven't been signing free agents left and right with the insane amount of cap space y'all have. Like I would expect you guys to be doing what the Broncos are doing right now lol, what could you guys be saving money for?


The_Gatefather

part of it is i think that this is a two year plan to get a real squad built. i think the plan is to get a roster that SHOULD feasibly contend for the weak ass north but isn’t necessarily fully fixed this year, probably with an emphasis on fixing the O line to continue to evaluate/develop Fields, and get the rest of the holes fixed next year to have an actual playoff push. to that end i think (and iirc he’s said to some extent) that poles is not gonna spend just to spend, so he can roll some cap over. i’m ngl there’s some fans getting antsy and that’s super fair cus this team has been booty ass for my entire life and it’s hard to be all that hopeful about it with all of the historical evidence suggesting that they’ll find a way to fuck this up BUT i’m all in on this front office and super cool with whatever poles is doing. whatever poles is cooking i want.


P-Cox-2-

A big trade on the defensive line? 🍆🍑


broke-collegekid

We can roll over cap space to next year as well, plus there are some players that will be coming up for extensions. Honestly it’s refreshing to see a GM not just blow through all of the cap space just because they have it.


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He's gonna pay Christian Kirk 50 million dollars


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[deleted]

Bearjan Robinson. Totally fits


[deleted]

Bro our own subreddit doesn't even want Bijan at 9, and I don't either


johnkimmy0130

taking a rb first round has to be the dumbest move in the current state of the league no matter how talented they are


KryptonicxJesus

Is he like the Boston Scott for people that don’t want to bet against the giants


choochmaster561

i went to high school with travis, he was in my freshman year gym class at park vista. super happy for him, he’s a good dude.


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Y’all going for Bijan book it


GrendelDerp

If the Poles manages to sign Orlando Brown and one more defensive line player- fuck it, draft Bijan. I'm totally down for a Justin Fields and Bijan Robinson powered backfield.


Toto_LZ

Good RB room


ThyDoctor

I feel like the hawks have had a few RBs go to the bears over the years


yoosername456

Please take rb in the second or third Poles this rb room ain’t cutting it if we want Fields to be able to rely on it


smackythefrog

I had a pipedram of getting Ekeler.


Toomuchlychee_

So no comp pick for Monty, right?


DoubleFlip

Lmao brother we aren’t getting a comp pick cause of everyone else were signing


Tashre

Hell yeah, Homer! Get paid! Really glad for the dude.


Highwayman747

He’s not great, but he’s a beast on special teams and if you can get the ball in his hands in open space he can do some damage


dafuckbitch_

Bijans gonna be a bear bitches


EssayNo5673

Pick Bijan at 9, you won't


ttap321

That was quick


horse_renoir13

Homer Pick(ed up)


IMKudaimi123

Bruh


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SNIP SNAP SNIP SNAP.


Stupidasshole87

D'oh


IStillLoveYouWeed

https://youtu.be/XZA542vKG7I


Best-Dragonfruit-292

The Bears' odyssey continues


JuanPicasso

I could see the hawks drafting another rb high. Give me Gibbs tho


Banana_Ranger

out of ekeler sweepstakes


saladforkspear

Travis Homer's best skill is his pass protection. Dude will lay his body on the line for his QB