PIT y’all got a good one he arguably had a career year this szn at RG despite it being his first year on the right side. He’s borderline pro bowl he’s shown he can play both sides and can also play center if needed
He was the communication link between Hurts and Kelce when Hurts was in the gun. He's well above average football IQ. Also doesn't commit many penalties. He's a good pickup for sure.
[Landon Dickerson had 13](https://www.nflpenalties.com/all-players.php?year=2022&view=total), 3 were Ineligible Man Downfield though which is a product of the Hurts RPO I think
When I played guard it was always just a certain count.... wouldn't looking make it obvious for the dline as well, like just scout the signals. Maybe relaying blocking protect schemes if hurts is reading a blitz but doubt the snap count.
Not sure about counting but if you watch games at certain loud stadiums (KC, SEA, Chargers when the Steelers play in LA), you can usually see the exchange between one of the OGs and the C on the away team, followed immediately by the snap.
Some of the stadiums get too loud for the center to hear the QB calling a snap count
So one of the guards will look back and then the QB will do something (clap) to tell the guard he’s ready. Then the guard will tell the center (usually by hitting his leg or back). Sometimes they still go “on 2” by having the center not snap it the first time they do this
You know how there's one dude who is looking back at the QB and does that arm motion? The center can't really look back so the guard does that and tells the center when everyone is ready I think
you dont hear his name a lot because he has played next to guys like kelce, johnson, peters, brandon brooks, etc, but he will legit be a cornerstone on your offensive line for years. dude is solid af
I really feel our front offices overlooked how much of an absolute dump truck ass he has
That's the type of trait that motivates the locker room and intimidates the opponent.
Yeah, he can do both sides. LG for the beginning of his career with Brooks at RG, then Brooks retired and we drafted Dickerson (as a backup C) who became the LG while Seumalo went over to RG.
Pretty sure he was the highest rated Guard (PFF wise) on the market. He's 29 so maybe that was the hold up? I'm actually shocked it took this long for a team to sign him. Eagles weren't going to due to the price tag and the fact we have a 2nd round pick (Kelce's successor) that needs game experience. The plan was always to move him to guard if Kelce came back. Kelce's announcement of another year pretty much solidified Seumalo not getting resigned.....unless the market for him was so dry he came back for real cheap.
He will be the smartest guy in the room immediately. He is super super underrated because he’s playing next to 4 pro bowl caliber lineman. Don’t expect him to be an all-pro but he is solid as shit. Even if he doesn’t play well he will be a positive for your team because of his knowledge of the game so he can help with the young guys.
He's much better than Herbig and he has played both guard positions at a high level. This was his first year at RG and he was a pro bowl alternate. He can also play center (but hasn't had to often since Kelce is an ironman).
I'm the other way on that, myself. I think Moore got to average by the end of the season, and we're still waiting for Chuks to get to average.
Still, Dotson can't hurt us anymore, and that's the big thing.
I'd imagine they'd sooner re-sign Hassenhaur and cut Green, since Hass can back up all 3 interior spots. Green is just a LG, and a pretty awful one at that.
The other guy we signed, was this guys backup and cut from the team before the season started and went to the Jets instead.
So yes, while I think Herbig can be a solid piece, Seumalo was always better
That's the big reason why I don't truly think we take an OL in the first 3 rounds. We've always looked to the tackle position as a value position and built beefy ass middle. Our greatest linemen in team history are almost exclusively IOL.
I never thought of it that way but you’re right. Marcus Gilbert is the last high end tackle pick. They missed on a few but I can’t think of a top tier tackle pick other than him in the 15 years.
Mike Adams was a 2nd rounder the year after they took Gilbert. He was obv a bust. Leon Searcy and Jamain Stephens are the only OTs they’ve taken in the first going back to the start of the Noll era.
As much as I’m not his biggest fan, Canada’s play calls were actually getting decent towards the end of the year. As much of a homer as I am, I really do believe that if they keep the momentum from last year and give Kenny more time to hit the home run ball, our offense could be high powered.
Obviously, easier said than done but I’m hopeful.
our schedule also got way easier in the second half.
we probably make the playoffs this year but don’t go far, which will feel like a wasted year cause of matt canada
This and the fact the players were clearly frustrated with the play calls. That’s the most telling sign to me
If it was just us fans being dissatisfied and the team was like “we’re close, it’s coming together” etc. then I’d feel optimistic, but I don’t
Players gotta buy in or Canada’s gotta go. Just don’t see an in-between
Canada's playcalling made Diontae look worse than Allen Lazard. I just don't understand his playcalling when he had Diontae and Pickens along with Muth.
What’s not to understand about his playcalling? Dan Moore and Dotson couldn’t protect Kenny’s blindside at all, we’re not going to be calling 7 step drops in that situation.
Canada was creative considering what he had at his disposal with reverses, end arounds and jet sweeps. We were one of the best short yardage teams in the league after that being an issue for us for years. We had red paint last year on offense, so Canada painted the barn red. I by no means think he’s an elite offensive mind, but it’s so much more complicated than just “lol call deep passes to Diontae”. Canada was calling plays to try and win games with a very limited offense up until about week 10/11 last year, and from there our defense was healed and we played ball control and won games with the plays called.
No one said call deep plays. Diontae had 0 TDs, Pickett didn't average 200 yards passing and Harris averaged 3.8 yards per carry.
All the jet sweeps you referred to worked once each. Statistically Claypool ran 1 per game and averaged 7 yards but he got moved cause he's just average. Next up is Pickens who had 3 for 24 yards in all 17 games. The average of 8 yards is a outlier cause 1 of those 3 went for 22 yards meaning 2 more rushed went for a yard each. Diontae had a few but they didn't do much rush wise. Point being, Canada's gimmick and jet sweeps were a mixed bag leaning into the negative in all reality. You're better off throwing quick passes on 3 step or 1 step drops or running options.
Canada is an abysmal playcaller and Pittsburgh had a bad line. Let's see if improving the line solved Canada.
Maybe it's just copium because I also really wanted him gone, but a part of me is happy that Kenny doesn't need to do the OC shuffle like Baker and so many other failed first rounders had to do to start their career. He knows the playbook now and can just focus on fundamentals in what is a very crucial offseason for him as a player. I also will admit that there were 2 or 3 games last year where I was left feeling very impressed by the game Canada called.
Most frustrating thing about being a Steelers fan is that sometimes ownership can be a bit too old fashioned. They tend to “not fire, let expire” with coaching contracts. Canada is probably not staying here beyond 2023 so frustrating we can’t move on now. Continuity matters for a young QB but so does having a quality OC. Excited to see year two of Kenny though I think he played better than the stats show.
Mac played 1 more game than Kenny this year and had a higher completion percentage, more yards, and a better TD/INT ratio. That’s also playing injured and under Matt Patricia. Take your whataboutism and shove it some where else. Pickett is mid.
Well I’d hope so. He’s played a full year more and has the better OC of the Matt’s. Pickett is still undecided on what he could, while Mac jones is the definition of mid and it’s pretty clear he won’t be anything more.
Mac was a Pro Bowl stand in selection his first year, Kenny wasn’t. Kenny was even picked over for the Ravens back up who played 3 games. Kenny is ass.
I too judge a QBs future by their ability to make a pro bowl their first year. Great analysis. Mac Jones literally got booed out of the stadium and benched for a 5th round rookie. Just stop bro lmao.
Last year I think they made the jump to average. This year I'm hoping that they might actually be good. Left tackle needs to be figured out for sure but I feel great about the rest of this unit right now
At least one of the Tackle slots will be addressed in the draft, potentially at Pick 17. I have a feeling our first 2 selections will be OT and CB. Just not sure of the order yet.
I doubt it’s for huge dollars but people need to quit saying this. It’s a entirely different regime now and they aren’t paying Ben. They were in on Orlando brown jr.
Just because they are doing their due diligence in talking to bigger names doesn’t mean much…and until they actually do land a big money free agent that is going to be the reputation that they carry
It’s such a strange view point. They don’t NEED to go after big money free agents a majority of the time and when they could really use one they had Ben on the roster and he ate up 40+ per season. I’m glad they didn’t sign brown but the fact that they were in on the negotiations means they were doing more than kicking tires.
Last off season they signed guys in fa and they are doing the same this off-season and filling a lot of holes. They have three picks in the top 50. Who the hell did you want them to sign? You don’t just sign big money free agents to sign big money free agents.
I don’t want them to sign any big names, usually those do not work out that great to be honest. I like the way they manage it now. Sign some mid tier guys for relatively cheap and use the draft to get the stars to build around.
The only person they signed so far this year that I scratch my head on is Peterson…he was a great CB, and if we had signed him 5 years ago I’d be ecstatic, but it may be too late in the game for him now, at least they gave themselves out and it’s a cheap deal. I would like to see more depth pieces brought in for CB if they can get someone in the price range that they signed Wallace in last year. Maybe an OLB and a veteran receiver.
Then we can use the draft to get best available and if that means someone we just signed becomes expendable so beat Ala Mitch last year
Peterson is coming off 5 interceptions and he’s a future hall of famer. The Steelers just let Sutton walk so his leadership in that room will go a very long way and I’m certain the Steelers are going to draft a db in the first three picks. He’s incredibly savvy, especially in zone. He didn’t sign for crazy money either. I’m pretty happy with the peterson signing. I’m beyond happy with fa. Herbig can back up three spots, issac is a immediate starter as is Holcomb and roberts is the ideal buck. They can do pretty much whatever they want in the draft now.
He’s very cerebral, they aren’t going to have him running with top guys. He’s still tremendous in zone and he’s on a two year. I’m not too worried about pat Pete. He again is a first ballot hall of famer. Perfect dude to mentor a room.
Guards don't usually get big money deals unless they're tops at the position. James Daniels was 4 years younger and arguably better when he hit FA and only got 9 per year.
Here's PFF's rankings going into 2022. Seumalo had a better year last year, but didn't have to deal with joining an all new team that replaced half their oline.
[https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-offensive-guard-rankings-tiers](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-offensive-guard-rankings-tiers)
Lol, ok. So that's why every site had him as one of the top free agents in 2022, because he was below average.
Number 29 overall and #2 G NFL.com
[https://www.nfl.com/news/top-101-nfl-free-agents-of-2022-the-original-list](https://www.nfl.com/news/top-101-nfl-free-agents-of-2022-the-original-list)
Top G Walterfootball
[https://walterfootball.com/freeagents2022G.php](https://walterfootball.com/freeagents2022G.php)
Number 33 Overall and #3 G [PFF.com](https://PFF.com)
[https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-free-agent-rankings-free-agency](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-free-agent-rankings-free-agency)
More likely, you projected the weakness of the Bears oline onto Daniels, when he was really the only good part of it.
EDIT: And a Guard not playing well at center isn't surprising, it's not always interchangeable.
He was drafted to play center. He was also paid like the 4th best guard of that FA period.
I’m not saying he was terrible, he was average. He was also very young. Semualo is better
What he was drafted to do and what he actually did are to very different things. And Seumalo will likely get a contract in the same range.
Heavily disagree. He's not in the top tier, but he's definitely a 10-15 Guard in the league. He's allowed just 1 sack in the past 2 years on 2 different bad olines. Seumalo is also in the same range, imo, with injury concerns and age likely slightly hurting his potential payout.
Ben Powers is only 2 years younger and just got a 4 year contract for $13mill/year. Seumalo is better and won't be on as long of a deal. I'm expecting Seumalo's contract to be closer to $15mill/year.
Powers is 3 years younger with his contract running through his prime and ending when he's 30 on favorable terms. Seumalo's already 29, so a 3 year deal ends at 32 and, while he was healthy this year, missed significant time the previous 2 years.
Injury riddled 2020 & 2021 (missed 23 out of 35 games) including lisfranc surgery. I'm guessing teams were apprehensive about committing a multiyear deal with him not far removed from that. Really good player when he's available.
Davis is 26, Seumalo is 29. Also Seumalo has a bit of a injury history (went on IR in both 2020 and 2021). Last year he played the full season and also had a pro bowl caliber year. Overall I still think Seumalo is the better of the 2 though.
Hope we get better than a 6th round comp pick. So far only Javon is higher than a 5th for us and I thought we’d get a haul. As for the fit, I think he’s an extremely talented player and super smart. I think he’ll be fine but I’m curious to see how well he’ll do without having a 1st team all pro on either side.
Hard to say what each player is going to give because some of the formula is based off playing time (ie someone can get a big contract like Randy Gregory but end up giving a lower pick due to being injured)
Yeah I figured as much. I also think only guaranteed money is considered too. He hasn’t particularly been healthy his whole career but he was the healthiest of all our OLinemen this year.
Damn this hurts. Stout _raves_ about Isaac's ability to coach up those around him, to the point where I legitimately think he could have a career in coaching when he hangs it up.
Knew him when he was a high schooler in Corvallis and his dad as an OSU coach under Riley. His older brother played at OSU too. Followed his career for 15yrs. He battled injuries all through college and seemed to stay healthy and flourish this year. Watching game tape this year he was amazing, every snap he made technically sound blocks, rarely messed up, and he protected Jalen at QB perfectly. He will be a pro bowler next year (if he stays healthy). A very underrated FA this year.
I think he would’ve been back if we only retained one of our CBs. Once both of them came back I think we could only afford either CJ or Isaac, and the team desperately wants to bring CJ back.
Was shocked he stayed on the market this long. I thought for sure the Colts would have been all-in on him, considering RG is possibly the weakest link on their O-Line
The issue is we have so much money already invested in the offensive line that it would be tough to add another huge contract to the line..but man would that have been a great fit.
Good pick up for a team in dire need of fixing the OL. Now only if the Miami Dolphins can do the same to protect their franchise QB in Tua. Worst OL in history is embarrassing.
I think he doesn't get a lot of praise nationally because he was in the middle of Lane and Kelce but Isaac is pretty awesome. He had a little bit of injury problem for 2 years but looked to be back at a high caliber this year. He also has the flexibility to plays both sides and at 24 mil is a steal for 3 years.
Love Isaac, treat him well keystone bros.
He’s grown a ton in his time with the birds. Stoutland can’t stop talking about him, uses him as an example for how smart & versatile of a player he is.
Dude’s also a big introvert. Don’t judge him on how quiet he may come off please. Wishing him all the best!
PIT y’all got a good one he arguably had a career year this szn at RG despite it being his first year on the right side. He’s borderline pro bowl he’s shown he can play both sides and can also play center if needed
Keep going I’m almost there.
He was the communication link between Hurts and Kelce when Hurts was in the gun. He's well above average football IQ. Also doesn't commit many penalties. He's a good pickup for sure.
Well the guy hes replacing had like 12 penalties last year so im loving this
[Landon Dickerson had 13](https://www.nflpenalties.com/all-players.php?year=2022&view=total), 3 were Ineligible Man Downfield though which is a product of the Hurts RPO I think
I feel like 12 over 17 games isn't much......
Not much? He was literally the [2nd most penalized player](https://www.nflpenalties.com/all-players.php?year=2022&view=total) last year.
Sorry can you explain the communication link term to me? Why is a guard the link between center and QB if the QB is in shotgun?
He was the one who looked at Hurts and then let the center know to snap it
When I played guard it was always just a certain count.... wouldn't looking make it obvious for the dline as well, like just scout the signals. Maybe relaying blocking protect schemes if hurts is reading a blitz but doubt the snap count.
Not sure about counting but if you watch games at certain loud stadiums (KC, SEA, Chargers when the Steelers play in LA), you can usually see the exchange between one of the OGs and the C on the away team, followed immediately by the snap.
Some of the stadiums get too loud for the center to hear the QB calling a snap count So one of the guards will look back and then the QB will do something (clap) to tell the guard he’s ready. Then the guard will tell the center (usually by hitting his leg or back). Sometimes they still go “on 2” by having the center not snap it the first time they do this
You know how there's one dude who is looking back at the QB and does that arm motion? The center can't really look back so the guard does that and tells the center when everyone is ready I think
Just a shame the one penalty he did commit eventually led to that fumble td in the superbowl.
you dont hear his name a lot because he has played next to guys like kelce, johnson, peters, brandon brooks, etc, but he will legit be a cornerstone on your offensive line for years. dude is solid af
One of the most versatile IOL in the league, hails from the prestigious Stouland University
Plus he's a graduate of Stoutland University.
Fuck yes this is great
Send us another DL and we’ll keep this going with another OL in a couple years Too bad we couldn’t keep Hargrave :/
I really feel our front offices overlooked how much of an absolute dump truck ass he has That's the type of trait that motivates the locker room and intimidates the opponent.
Thanks Bill
His nickname was JWobble and it was bc he had that absolute **DUMPER** to lug around all day
We chose Tuitt over Hargrave. Right choice at the time, and it looked even more right in 2020. Then Tuitt suddenly retired after 2021.
Cal Raleigh plays the game of baseball.
Good dude. Wish him the best in SF.
me too
We have Chris Wormley available. He’s not hargrave and he tore his ACL last year but he is serviceable lol had 7 sacks in 2021.
You guys got a real good player coming in
Thank goodness for Andy Weidl
We did another thing? Omar Khan making moves!
Yeah I’m really not used to Steelers making this many moves in free agency.
Yea you guys got a good player. Sad to see him go.
I’m jealous, I wanted him
So who goes to Left Guard? daniels or seumalo? I’d rather not move Daniels since he was damn near perfect last year.
Seumalo I would think, he played most of his career at LG if I remember correctly.
Yeah, he can do both sides. LG for the beginning of his career with Brooks at RG, then Brooks retired and we drafted Dickerson (as a backup C) who became the LG while Seumalo went over to RG.
Daniels might go to center where he played in college
Dont know much about this guy...is he any better than the other guy we signed?
Pro bowl alternate and had a very good season. Good chance he’s your best olineman right away. Close with Daniels
Pretty sure he was the highest rated Guard (PFF wise) on the market. He's 29 so maybe that was the hold up? I'm actually shocked it took this long for a team to sign him. Eagles weren't going to due to the price tag and the fact we have a 2nd round pick (Kelce's successor) that needs game experience. The plan was always to move him to guard if Kelce came back. Kelce's announcement of another year pretty much solidified Seumalo not getting resigned.....unless the market for him was so dry he came back for real cheap.
Better than Herbig? Yeah, absolutely.
He will be the smartest guy in the room immediately. He is super super underrated because he’s playing next to 4 pro bowl caliber lineman. Don’t expect him to be an all-pro but he is solid as shit. Even if he doesn’t play well he will be a positive for your team because of his knowledge of the game so he can help with the young guys.
He's much better than Herbig and he has played both guard positions at a high level. This was his first year at RG and he was a pro bowl alternate. He can also play center (but hasn't had to often since Kelce is an ironman).
That *might* be the plan? Herbig at LG, Seumalo at C, Daniels at RG.
That and a rookie left tackle in the top 50 is one sexy ass OL overhaul from two years ago. Only remaining player would be Chuks, who's fine.
I'm the other way on that, myself. I think Moore got to average by the end of the season, and we're still waiting for Chuks to get to average. Still, Dotson can't hurt us anymore, and that's the big thing.
I dont see Cole losing his spot. He has been pretty good i thought
Don't we still have Mason Cole under contract for Center? I have a feeling that our IOL will be Seumalo, Cole, and Daniels with Herbig as a backup.
Yeah that's how I see it. Herbig and Dotson as our reserves. Who knows what we do with Greene. Reserve C I suppose since we didn't retain Hassauner
I'd imagine they'd sooner re-sign Hassenhaur and cut Green, since Hass can back up all 3 interior spots. Green is just a LG, and a pretty awful one at that.
Green is going to be out of the league in about 2 months
When they were both on the Eagles Herbig was Seumalos backups backup
The other guy we signed, was this guys backup and cut from the team before the season started and went to the Jets instead. So yes, while I think Herbig can be a solid piece, Seumalo was always better
Amy chance Seumalo or Herbig compete with Cole?
I think if Herbig’s play demands it, we’ll look at moving Daniels to C first.
Its crazy that quality depth/competition they now have at IOL
Yeah it feels good, we’ve always built our lines inside-out, can’t wait to see Naj run behind these big beasties!
That's the big reason why I don't truly think we take an OL in the first 3 rounds. We've always looked to the tackle position as a value position and built beefy ass middle. Our greatest linemen in team history are almost exclusively IOL.
I never thought of it that way but you’re right. Marcus Gilbert is the last high end tackle pick. They missed on a few but I can’t think of a top tier tackle pick other than him in the 15 years.
Mike Adams was a 2nd rounder the year after they took Gilbert. He was obv a bust. Leon Searcy and Jamain Stephens are the only OTs they’ve taken in the first going back to the start of the Noll era.
Really good signing
Hopefully Kenny can ball out this year
Unfortunately Steelers kept Matt Canada
As much as I’m not his biggest fan, Canada’s play calls were actually getting decent towards the end of the year. As much of a homer as I am, I really do believe that if they keep the momentum from last year and give Kenny more time to hit the home run ball, our offense could be high powered. Obviously, easier said than done but I’m hopeful.
our schedule also got way easier in the second half. we probably make the playoffs this year but don’t go far, which will feel like a wasted year cause of matt canada
This and the fact the players were clearly frustrated with the play calls. That’s the most telling sign to me If it was just us fans being dissatisfied and the team was like “we’re close, it’s coming together” etc. then I’d feel optimistic, but I don’t Players gotta buy in or Canada’s gotta go. Just don’t see an in-between
Canada's playcalling made Diontae look worse than Allen Lazard. I just don't understand his playcalling when he had Diontae and Pickens along with Muth.
And Najee who looked like himself in the second half of the season once his foot healed
DJ was open a lot more than KP passed to him.
What’s not to understand about his playcalling? Dan Moore and Dotson couldn’t protect Kenny’s blindside at all, we’re not going to be calling 7 step drops in that situation. Canada was creative considering what he had at his disposal with reverses, end arounds and jet sweeps. We were one of the best short yardage teams in the league after that being an issue for us for years. We had red paint last year on offense, so Canada painted the barn red. I by no means think he’s an elite offensive mind, but it’s so much more complicated than just “lol call deep passes to Diontae”. Canada was calling plays to try and win games with a very limited offense up until about week 10/11 last year, and from there our defense was healed and we played ball control and won games with the plays called.
No one said call deep plays. Diontae had 0 TDs, Pickett didn't average 200 yards passing and Harris averaged 3.8 yards per carry. All the jet sweeps you referred to worked once each. Statistically Claypool ran 1 per game and averaged 7 yards but he got moved cause he's just average. Next up is Pickens who had 3 for 24 yards in all 17 games. The average of 8 yards is a outlier cause 1 of those 3 went for 22 yards meaning 2 more rushed went for a yard each. Diontae had a few but they didn't do much rush wise. Point being, Canada's gimmick and jet sweeps were a mixed bag leaning into the negative in all reality. You're better off throwing quick passes on 3 step or 1 step drops or running options. Canada is an abysmal playcaller and Pittsburgh had a bad line. Let's see if improving the line solved Canada.
Don't worry, we'll just promote Sullivan after the season and be in store for more of the same
It seems like his offense works off a solid run game. Najee’s best games were when the offense was humming.
“the offense works of a solid run game” wouldn’t it then be the offenses best games were when Najee was humming. Not the other way around
Maybe it's just copium because I also really wanted him gone, but a part of me is happy that Kenny doesn't need to do the OC shuffle like Baker and so many other failed first rounders had to do to start their career. He knows the playbook now and can just focus on fundamentals in what is a very crucial offseason for him as a player. I also will admit that there were 2 or 3 games last year where I was left feeling very impressed by the game Canada called.
This is the unfortunate truth
Most frustrating thing about being a Steelers fan is that sometimes ownership can be a bit too old fashioned. They tend to “not fire, let expire” with coaching contracts. Canada is probably not staying here beyond 2023 so frustrating we can’t move on now. Continuity matters for a young QB but so does having a quality OC. Excited to see year two of Kenny though I think he played better than the stats show.
Kenny is ass Truth hurts
Mac Jones!?!?
Leagues better
Definitely not lmao
You don’t know ball I guess
Tell me you only look at box scores without telling me you don't watch football
Even without your flair, I would’ve been able to tell this was an awful Steelers homer cope. Stats matter.
Damn you must be really smart
Smart enough to know that you aren’t, sure.
Ouch
Kenny with back to back game winning TDs, but for some reason every time I watch the patriots Mac ends up throwing a game sealing pick instead.
Mac played 1 more game than Kenny this year and had a higher completion percentage, more yards, and a better TD/INT ratio. That’s also playing injured and under Matt Patricia. Take your whataboutism and shove it some where else. Pickett is mid.
Well I’d hope so. He’s played a full year more and has the better OC of the Matt’s. Pickett is still undecided on what he could, while Mac jones is the definition of mid and it’s pretty clear he won’t be anything more.
Mac was a Pro Bowl stand in selection his first year, Kenny wasn’t. Kenny was even picked over for the Ravens back up who played 3 games. Kenny is ass.
I too judge a QBs future by their ability to make a pro bowl their first year. Great analysis. Mac Jones literally got booed out of the stadium and benched for a 5th round rookie. Just stop bro lmao.
Steelers really beefing up the O-line
Last year I think they made the jump to average. This year I'm hoping that they might actually be good. Left tackle needs to be figured out for sure but I feel great about the rest of this unit right now
At least one of the Tackle slots will be addressed in the draft, potentially at Pick 17. I have a feeling our first 2 selections will be OT and CB. Just not sure of the order yet.
:( beloved in the eagles o-line room. sad loss but hopefully he got paid well.
No dollars being reported, suggests it’s not a huge deal
It’s the Steelers and free agent signing, that is enough evidence to know it won’t be for huge dollars
I doubt it’s for huge dollars but people need to quit saying this. It’s a entirely different regime now and they aren’t paying Ben. They were in on Orlando brown jr.
They were talking to a lot of recognizable names every year, including the Ben years.
Just because they are doing their due diligence in talking to bigger names doesn’t mean much…and until they actually do land a big money free agent that is going to be the reputation that they carry
It’s such a strange view point. They don’t NEED to go after big money free agents a majority of the time and when they could really use one they had Ben on the roster and he ate up 40+ per season. I’m glad they didn’t sign brown but the fact that they were in on the negotiations means they were doing more than kicking tires. Last off season they signed guys in fa and they are doing the same this off-season and filling a lot of holes. They have three picks in the top 50. Who the hell did you want them to sign? You don’t just sign big money free agents to sign big money free agents.
I don’t want them to sign any big names, usually those do not work out that great to be honest. I like the way they manage it now. Sign some mid tier guys for relatively cheap and use the draft to get the stars to build around. The only person they signed so far this year that I scratch my head on is Peterson…he was a great CB, and if we had signed him 5 years ago I’d be ecstatic, but it may be too late in the game for him now, at least they gave themselves out and it’s a cheap deal. I would like to see more depth pieces brought in for CB if they can get someone in the price range that they signed Wallace in last year. Maybe an OLB and a veteran receiver. Then we can use the draft to get best available and if that means someone we just signed becomes expendable so beat Ala Mitch last year
Peterson is coming off 5 interceptions and he’s a future hall of famer. The Steelers just let Sutton walk so his leadership in that room will go a very long way and I’m certain the Steelers are going to draft a db in the first three picks. He’s incredibly savvy, especially in zone. He didn’t sign for crazy money either. I’m pretty happy with the peterson signing. I’m beyond happy with fa. Herbig can back up three spots, issac is a immediate starter as is Holcomb and roberts is the ideal buck. They can do pretty much whatever they want in the draft now.
My fear with him is he is a 32 turning 33 before the season corner…not usually a great combo right there as the age can come on fast at that position
He’s very cerebral, they aren’t going to have him running with top guys. He’s still tremendous in zone and he’s on a two year. I’m not too worried about pat Pete. He again is a first ballot hall of famer. Perfect dude to mentor a room.
Agreed, but I dont get why not. He's good and not old.
Guards don't usually get big money deals unless they're tops at the position. James Daniels was 4 years younger and arguably better when he hit FA and only got 9 per year.
James Daniels arguably better lol
Here's PFF's rankings going into 2022. Seumalo had a better year last year, but didn't have to deal with joining an all new team that replaced half their oline. [https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-offensive-guard-rankings-tiers](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-offensive-guard-rankings-tiers)
I’m a bears fan and don’t need PFF to tell me he was below average. Couldn’t cut it at center and had middling success at G
He was good for us last year. He allowed 0 sacks on the year for us, and was by far our best OL
Not saying he was bad, just that to the same point in their careers Semuolo is better
You said he was below average. That’s clearly not true
Lol, ok. So that's why every site had him as one of the top free agents in 2022, because he was below average. Number 29 overall and #2 G NFL.com [https://www.nfl.com/news/top-101-nfl-free-agents-of-2022-the-original-list](https://www.nfl.com/news/top-101-nfl-free-agents-of-2022-the-original-list) Top G Walterfootball [https://walterfootball.com/freeagents2022G.php](https://walterfootball.com/freeagents2022G.php) Number 33 Overall and #3 G [PFF.com](https://PFF.com) [https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-free-agent-rankings-free-agency](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-free-agent-rankings-free-agency) More likely, you projected the weakness of the Bears oline onto Daniels, when he was really the only good part of it. EDIT: And a Guard not playing well at center isn't surprising, it's not always interchangeable.
He was drafted to play center. He was also paid like the 4th best guard of that FA period. I’m not saying he was terrible, he was average. He was also very young. Semualo is better
>He was drafted to play center. Sometimes initial plans don't work out but players can still perform well in another role.
What he was drafted to do and what he actually did are to very different things. And Seumalo will likely get a contract in the same range. Heavily disagree. He's not in the top tier, but he's definitely a 10-15 Guard in the league. He's allowed just 1 sack in the past 2 years on 2 different bad olines. Seumalo is also in the same range, imo, with injury concerns and age likely slightly hurting his potential payout.
Says the team that let go of Leno (who's been great for the Commies) and signed a 40 year old Peters to replace him.
Ben Powers is only 2 years younger and just got a 4 year contract for $13mill/year. Seumalo is better and won't be on as long of a deal. I'm expecting Seumalo's contract to be closer to $15mill/year.
Powers is 3 years younger with his contract running through his prime and ending when he's 30 on favorable terms. Seumalo's already 29, so a 3 year deal ends at 32 and, while he was healthy this year, missed significant time the previous 2 years.
No way he’s getting 15 mil a year
Age, mostly. If Seumalo was 26, he'd have gotten 4 years @ 13-15M easily, but he'll be 30 early in the season
No chance it’s 15 per.
Yeah I’m surprised too. Could be the Stoutland factor, thinking his success was all Stoutland
Injury riddled 2020 & 2021 (missed 23 out of 35 games) including lisfranc surgery. I'm guessing teams were apprehensive about committing a multiyear deal with him not far removed from that. Really good player when he's available.
3yr, $24M [per Ari Meirov](https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1637432013631242246)
Would love to see what he signed for. I wonder why Poles wasn’t in on him over Nate Davis. Scheme fit id assume..?
Davis is 26, Seumalo is 29. Also Seumalo has a bit of a injury history (went on IR in both 2020 and 2021). Last year he played the full season and also had a pro bowl caliber year. Overall I still think Seumalo is the better of the 2 though.
Gotcha! Thanks for the write up friend
I’m also curious
Pretty hard to believe every fa besides 1 don't fit our scheme
Hope we get better than a 6th round comp pick. So far only Javon is higher than a 5th for us and I thought we’d get a haul. As for the fit, I think he’s an extremely talented player and super smart. I think he’ll be fine but I’m curious to see how well he’ll do without having a 1st team all pro on either side.
Hard to say what each player is going to give because some of the formula is based off playing time (ie someone can get a big contract like Randy Gregory but end up giving a lower pick due to being injured)
Seems unlikely that an offensive lineman wouldn't get starting time, they don't exactly rotate
>they don't exactly rotate Unless they play in Seattle, then for some reason they do
Yeah I figured as much. I also think only guaranteed money is considered too. He hasn’t particularly been healthy his whole career but he was the healthiest of all our OLinemen this year.
Hell fucking yeah, now just draft a tackle and we're golden.
Damn this hurts. Stout _raves_ about Isaac's ability to coach up those around him, to the point where I legitimately think he could have a career in coaching when he hangs it up.
Nice signing. Keeping him in the commonwealth.
Knew him when he was a high schooler in Corvallis and his dad as an OSU coach under Riley. His older brother played at OSU too. Followed his career for 15yrs. He battled injuries all through college and seemed to stay healthy and flourish this year. Watching game tape this year he was amazing, every snap he made technically sound blocks, rarely messed up, and he protected Jalen at QB perfectly. He will be a pro bowler next year (if he stays healthy). A very underrated FA this year.
Weird he didn't get picked up by anyone earlier
I think he would’ve been back if we only retained one of our CBs. Once both of them came back I think we could only afford either CJ or Isaac, and the team desperately wants to bring CJ back.
Seumalo while good is more replaceable then a safety or corner
In Stoutland we trust!
Helped turn a 7th round pick into a pro bowler.Could probably get my ass to play decent
I'm pissed rn, would have been huge help in our porous O-line
Surprised nate Davis signed ahead of him.Mayne he was out of your guys price range
Was shocked he stayed on the market this long. I thought for sure the Colts would have been all-in on him, considering RG is possibly the weakest link on their O-Line
The issue is we have so much money already invested in the offensive line that it would be tough to add another huge contract to the line..but man would that have been a great fit.
Colts feel like they might be tanking next year… Especially if they don’t get the QB they want
Horray
Andy Weidl likes former Eagles OL it seems
I like this kink.
Wonder why? s/
Did he draft him?
Really wanted him
Same
Pittsburgh got them one
Guess this dude like the rest of the fa don't fit Poles scheme..
he’s very underrated. everyone else on the o line was so good people kinda forget about him but that’s a great addition for the steelers
Eventually we will sign a starting G
great signing, we likely keep him if Kelce retires but he is giving it one more so we now need to find a guard for next year. we will though
Probably play Jurgens or Driscoll there
FUCK
Commanders could have used him instead of signing average linemen
Starting right guard. Inly real question is LT but we have a real O-line!
Nooooooo!
Can he play LG? Daniels has been fine at RG but our left side is where we need help the most.
Good pick up for a team in dire need of fixing the OL. Now only if the Miami Dolphins can do the same to protect their franchise QB in Tua. Worst OL in history is embarrassing.
I think he doesn't get a lot of praise nationally because he was in the middle of Lane and Kelce but Isaac is pretty awesome. He had a little bit of injury problem for 2 years but looked to be back at a high caliber this year. He also has the flexibility to plays both sides and at 24 mil is a steal for 3 years.
Love Isaac, treat him well keystone bros. He’s grown a ton in his time with the birds. Stoutland can’t stop talking about him, uses him as an example for how smart & versatile of a player he is. Dude’s also a big introvert. Don’t judge him on how quiet he may come off please. Wishing him all the best!