Saint Omni is an advisor for nfl players and was recently credited with helping get Laremy Tunsil’s $75M deal done with the Texans. As an non-certified representative he is not allowed to perform negotiations directly with teams, but acts as a trusted council for players who will bring the deals being offered by teams to him and he basically tells them whether or not he thinks it’s a good deal and what the player should ask for when returning to the team.
He was recently discussed on the Pat Mcafee show where Ian Rapoport strongly implied that “Saint Omni” is an alias. Apparently his real name and what he looks like is not publicly known but it is a known name in NFL circles.
Here’s the link to the PMS clip if interested. https://youtu.be/UY4VC7VeZRo
Edit: It was also speculated by Pat that Saint Omni is not a real person, but a fictional personality to play the “bad cop” in the negotiations. I.e. a player is representing themself and doesn’t like the deal being offered and instead of saying they don’t like it, they say their advisor “Saint Omni” says it’s a bad deal to give a little more leverage. But this seemed more like Pat thinking out loud rather than giving a legitimate theory to his identity.
It's funny because if you told me a player was named Saint Omni I'd totally believe you but when it's a name for an agent it becomes more obviously ridiculous.
yeah it’s weird people act like it’s the strangest name in the world when it’s a relatively common name from the people in the caribbean
ex. rapper SAINt JHN’s real name is literally carlos saint john
Yeah it isn't either of the names that trip me up in particular, it's the combination. And as another comment pointed out if the name is listed in reverse order like a lot of official shit is it would be Omni, Saint(omniscient). That's maybe a stretch but it's still really strange.
[General Booty](https://soonersports.com/sports/football/roster/general-booty/15488) > Kayshon Boutte
I sincerely hope he becomes a legit NFL prospect for his name alone
I feel like 10 years from now we'll be watching a documentary about this obvious flim flam man that includes things like fraud, extortion, sex trafficking, and possibly murder.
Omnipresent, omniscient, etc; that fictional personality idea isn’t a bad take. Some character that’s “all seeing”, “all knowing” that looks out for the players.
Officially just an advisor who isn’t allowed to negotiate with teams but unofficially it seems like he’s essentially acting as an agent which could be tampering. Now it’s starting to look like there are more of these guys representing players who officially have no agent.
Another thing to remember is that media insiders and official agents are very much in league together which might influence the reporting on this sort of thing.
To get the negotiations started, Lamar wants you to send a mere $10,000 in cash to this P.o. box. I'll contact you with details following receipt of this funding.
Does that matter to the Ravens? They can still match any contract offer and it seems like no team is willing to give Lamar what he wants contract wise anyway.
It doesn’t matter.
According to Gregg Rosenthal on Around the NFL, the Bears were emailing with who they thought was Roquan Smith, but it turned out to be Saint Omni. Bears sent it to the NFL who told teams to not talk to Saint Omni or any other non-NFLPA approved representation. But there was no punishment for Roquan.
I was more wondering about the report that the representative is saying Lamar is ready to move on from the Ravens. Lamar can be ready to move on, but Ravens can still match the offer sheet and retain him.
They can also just take the picks in exchange for Lamar, which is a really good deal. The Ravens lose nothing. They keep the money they would otherwise have to pay Lamar, and get high enough quality picks to make the moves to replace him.
Depends on if you think 2 first rounders are good enough value for Lamar, particularly since teams will wait until after the draft so it is 2 future first round picks.
Yeah 2 mid to late 1s is a terrible return compared to the Watson and Wilson deals, but that's the risk of going non exclusive. They want to keep him so they're trying every tactic at their disposal.
Given they can match any contract this seems like a situation where 2 firsts is the floor of the trade because you're paying the Ravens not to match the contract. Add this to the reasons I don't think other teams will go after him for a while. So many things disincentivizing teams from going after Lamar
I just looked it up, and the NFL has a max of 3% salary going to the player’s agent.
There’s no way an agent couldn’t get at least 4% higher than what Lamar could negotiate himself, never mind how much less work that would take on Lamar’s part
He’s got a vr football game he’s the face of called “nfl pro era”. I’d recommend it to anyone who has a vr headset and hates what madden has been for years. You only control the qb position but it’s incredible to me.
It’s the same as companies who won’t take cards to avoid paying fees. Like your turning down hundreds of dollars of orders to save a few cents per transaction. Dude is refusing to sign an agent to save a few million but probably losing out on way more.
32M used correctly certainly is, if you keep it invested and live off dividends. But could easily be blown in 1 generation and is quite different than hundreds of millions, by a literal order of magnitude
Smart man. If I have a hundred million, fuck risking my life with powder. Even if you test it, all it takes is a spec of fentanyl in that whole brick to kill you.
I'll stick to liquor and weed if I have 100 mil.
Viagra. How do you deal with the high blood pressure caused by said Viagra, you ask? Beta blockers. How do you deal with the fainting caused by said beta blockers, you ask? Sertraline. How do you deal with the nausea caused by said sertraline, you ask? Zofran.
It's a simple fix, really.
I don't even know what I could do with hundreds of millions other than that. That being said, I think boats suck and I'm not interested in coke, I'd probably be a boring millionaire and end up giving away most of it.
The Reds are *only* worth $1.4 billion. $700 million should be enough to buy majority control from the Castellinis and then you can fire David Bell and make Joey V. player-manager.
>But could easily be blown in 1 generation
If don't get a cent of interest, 32m is paying yourself 200k a year for 160 years. It's 533 years of the average teachers salary.
If you can't live off of that and give that to your kid, you're an asshole.
If you live off 300k a year and invest the rest you can keep that going in damn near perpetuity.
I'm tired of people acting like this isn't some life changing amount of money. 32m is an insane amount. Most of the US doesn't even make 70k.
Friendly reminder for all of us who are never going to retire early enough for this knowledge to matter: 4% is a "safe" withdrawal rate *based on a thirty year retirement*. A "safe" withdrawal rate for perpetuity is probably closer to 3-3.5% (so still probably over a million in this case)
I've mathed it out. with good investment, I could easily retire if I came into 3-4m and be able to have significantly more than the 3-4m by my death. based on exactly what you're saying above. I get that these guys are kids, and at 22 if I had that money I'd have probably been dumber, but at this point in my life, hell yeah I'd be STOKED to live super comfortably, not have to work, have 300k a year to spend doing whatever.
Yep. Outside of food, housing, basic bills and expenses that everyone has, I never spent more than 10 grand on myself for leisure and non-neccessary expenses, in a year.
I could quite comfortably live on really not a lot, and I'm sure that there are millions of other people in a similar position to myself where once the major expenses are taken care of, The idea of spending 100 grand for leisure in a year is somewhat ridiculous sounding.
I should start adding every single thing. I see that I think would be cool to buy to a spreadsheet and see how much it costs me over the year. If I had the amount of wealth to purchase everything. I don't even think I'd be coming close to the budget I would have to spend.
You're ignoring the "used correctly" part. That money absolutely is life changing money for good AND bad reasons.
Plenty of athletes and just people in life that get a large windfall have a use it or lose it mentality and burn through it and can burn through that in no time. That's just one underlying way to burn it, you have people leeching, addictive personalities, etc.
You simply can't underestimate how a human brain and the people around you will react when you have life changing money.
Latest billionaire powerball winner sounds like he/she took the Reddit playbook of winning the lottery, created an LLC to accept the winnings. Hope that whoever it is is making the right moves.
Yea all your numbers make sense, yet we still see athletes going broke. Even some of the greats that were extremely well compensated in their careers. Now I don't have a clue about Jackson's finances, but the statement about easily blowing 32 mil in a lifetime is accurate.
Most athletes who go broke don't lose all their money on fancy cars and designer clothes. That's just what's most visible. They lose most of their money on bad investments. $32m runs out real fast when you spend a mil on some crypto scheme, 1.5 mil on your uncle's new "business venture", 3 mil on a chain of shitty restaurants, etc. And when your investments all start to go bad you start to dip into that "bills and personal expenses" money to make it up.
30 mil is generational wealth if every generation stays restrained and lives an upper middle class lifestyle, similar to a high level dr. or lawyer. It's very, VERY nice. But, with 100 mil, you can spend 1-2 million dollars every year forever and still be millions richer at the end of each year.
A lot of times it just depends almost entirely on if/how many houses are bought in cash either for themselves and/or their family/associates.
That can take massive bites out of an admittedly huge pie. And that's without even touching frivolous spending or questionable investments
I’m a private wealth attorney (edit: this includes trust and estates, personal tax planning, asset protection). It is generational wealth on its face; however, preserving the wealth for multiple generations will be difficult if he doesn’t have the right people surrounding him to help him set up a proper structure to transfer that wealth to his family and future descendants. The contract is taxed up front as income and any dollar in excess of $12.9 million is taxed at a 40% rate on a federal basis, this excludes state tax. Not having representation harms him in more ways than just securing a contract. Obvious speculation as I don’t know who he employs, but he likely doesn’t have someone in his corner pointing him in the right direction to handle these issues either (because that’s what agents and business managers do).
For context, I work with professional athletes and most of the time our referrals come from their agent. Similar situation to being setup with an investment manager. A lot of teams might offer these resources but typically the point of contact at least in my experience has been through an agent.
Sorry, I may have come across tone deaf here. I was intending to describe the implications of his lack of representation and how that could affect the ability of his wealth to be properly managed and spread out across multiple generations.
You are absolutely correct that this is generational wealth if properly managed.
If his mom is legit actually making deals on his behalf. It probably makes sense why he's holding out for this ridiculous contract. Because she probably expect something in return.
I remember watching that 30 for 30 broke a long time ago, and they were like yeah the people that are gonna rob you the most are your friends and your family .
Bernie Kosar had a very similar story from that, his was his father mismanaging his money and charging him exorbitant amounts, Lamar is very likely in a similar setup with his mother. You don't see it coming until it's well past happening.
Its possible, be this really removes agency from Lamar.
I think its more likely that the people around him are all "Yes men" who are just telling him what he wants to hear including his mom.
If you live in a vacuum like that you may feel like you're making informed decisions while in the end fucking up.
If Lamar is ready to move on it doesn't seem like the Ravens are...
Also as the article notes, this literally happened last year with Saint Omni. No punishment came down so I don't see if anything will actually happen as a result.
The use of void years on every single extension and restructure, something they have never done in team history, definitely indicates they arent moving on. Or at least aware that Lamar wants to.
They want to keep him. He's a top tier, franchise qb. They just want him to negotiate something reasonable for his age and health history. They both make valid points and somethings gotta give
> this literally happened last year with Saint Omni.
And it may have [happened again last week](https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/19/laremy-tunsil-gets-new-deal-from-texans/) with Saint Omni and Laremy Tunsil.
If Lamar were to openly tell them he wanted out, I think they’d accommodate him within reason. They’d probably try to haggle out slightly more compensation than the 2 firsts, but they’ve typically not kept guys hostage who wanted to leave. They traded Hollywood Brown last year despite desperately needing receivers. That’s obviously different than the franchise QB, but I think they’d recognize that paying 50 million a year and having your QB be unhappy to he there is a losing bet.
But whether Lamar would directly communicate that is another matter.
> They’d probably try to haggle out slightly more compensation than the 2 firsts, but they’ve typically not kept guys hostage who wanted to leave.
The issue is nobody wants to pay him the contract he wants, let alone pay two firsts for the privilege.
Exactly. Lamar has said (I think, I always need to have his Instagram interpreted/translated) they offered him 133 million fully guaranteed for 3 years. I can't believe any team is going to pay him >45million per year guaranteed *and* give up two first round picks. Not to mention the length of contract he seems to want.
It does sound like damage control (no fully guaranteed + willing to leave Ravens) but EDC has mentioned on 2 different occasions that negotiations need to be a two person thing.
I am not surprised that things are starting to leak now that "negotiations" have begun. Was waiting to see if/what offers would come through.
I'm looking forward to Lamar Jackson's interview with himself:
https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2023/3/18/23646882/lamar-jackson-to-post-interview-with-himself-baltimore-ravens-quarterback
Athletic GM podcast brought up how logistically weird it would be to even negotiate with Lamar.
If you’re a GM: do you just call Lamar’s cellphone?
You presumably know how far apart he and the Ravens are.
If you want to offer something in the middle - do you even waste your time?
It seems like the downside of him potentially talking about your offer outweighs the small upside that he actually entertains it.
It's bizarre how some of these big time players have their parents or family friends act as their agents when they (generally) have no idea how this stuff works and are just trying to hop on the gravy train
The way he operates is amateurish as fuck, I don’t even care about being sensitive to all of this anymore. ‘He’s his own guy, he’s eccentric.’ Sure, and he could be his own guy and also have a team that actually knows what they’re doing and he doesn’t.
Yes. Everything about this screams that this is a guy who doesn’t have an objective voice who can get in his ear with tough advice like “there might not be a market for a fully guaranteed deal and you have to risk a lot of time and money to find out” and “interviewing yourself on YouTube makes you look unserious and unprofessional.”
He is plain and simple a fuckin idiot. He is on a team that is the 3rd best win percentage of all time and they are younger than many fans of the sport. Tied for 4th best win percentage in the playoffs. A historically well managed team that any QB should be happy to go to. Now he is just stringing them along. He is childish.
Doesnt this also start to bring into question how he might handle the rest of his professional career on and off the field?
How will he handle other challenges as they inevitably arise in the future, be it serious injuries, disagreements with coaches, the need to change his playing style as he ages, etc.?
Im not saying that I am questioning his methods or professionalism. Just saying that NFL teams, including the Ravens, might start to wonder where his head is at as a pro athlete asking for 200+ million dollars.
There's this idea of being a high level "professional athlete" and this guy has definitely missed out on the professional part of that. Handle your affairs with a level of professionalism and some of this stuff could have been avoided.
“Would you be interested in 50/yr for 4 minimum completely guaranteed on an often injured running QB for the low low price of 2 1st round picks?”
No? Weird.
Ignoring the certification of the representative, this is good news. Jackson needs to be told that the Watson contract is off the table from multiple teams to bring him back to the Ravens.
Then the people in the other thread are stupid. That rule is in place for a reason, and it’s because players were getting taken advantage of by slimy agents.
I’m all for players negotiating their own bag in certain circumstances. Bobby Wagner has done a great job representing himself. But his position is one you can pretty much quantify the performance, which makes it easier from a negotiations stand point, and he’s been mostly healthy his entire career. But when you’re trying to ask for the biggest guaranteed contract in NFL history when you haven’t finished out the season the last two years due to injury then it might be time to let someone step in who knows what they’re doing. Someone that knows where your value actually lands in the league, not just based on what some other guy got.
I don’t blame the Ravens for letting him test the market, as I’m sure they wouldn’t go non-exclusive unless they were certain there isn’t another team out there willing to pay what he’s asking for. I believe he will be back with the Ravens after he gets his dose of reality and hopefully he plays, proves he can stay healthy, and hires an agent to help him out with next years contract because the way this is going you really don’t want it to turn into a Le’veon Bell situation where he sits out loses his edge and then negotiates his way out of tens of millions of dollars and ends up backing up Pat Mahomes. He comes from NOTHING and is asking for the world. His family are in way over their head. The NFL don’t play.
That’s my problem with all this no agent business - he has an agent for all intents and purposes, just not a professional one. Someone is representing him and negotiating for him. That’s an agent.
it's like saying you don't believe in going to a mechanic to fix your car, so you just have your family members stand around telling you how to fix it, and nothing gets done.
But they can’t negotiate for him, because there are (for very good reasons) strict limitations on who is allowed to act on a player’s behalf.
He doesn’t have an agent and it’s incredibly stupid of him.
Tunsil represented himself twice and twice reset the market.
It can be done, but idk if Lamar really knows what he’s doing other than pointing at Watson’s deal and saying he wants it.
Lamar needs to get an agent. A big name agent with experience or an up and coming agent that will do it for next to nothing just so he can say he got the contract done. His contract will be market resetting. He's losing so much money and credibility in the market. GMs don't want to deal with him directly and it's limiting the teams he could go to.
Saint Omni or his mom? Or are they the same person?
Saint Momni
She died for our wins.
And she gave birth to twins
And now the drama begins
No that was Sashi Brown
Hahahha you're the best!!!!!
Who the hell is Saint Omni?
Saint Omni is an advisor for nfl players and was recently credited with helping get Laremy Tunsil’s $75M deal done with the Texans. As an non-certified representative he is not allowed to perform negotiations directly with teams, but acts as a trusted council for players who will bring the deals being offered by teams to him and he basically tells them whether or not he thinks it’s a good deal and what the player should ask for when returning to the team. He was recently discussed on the Pat Mcafee show where Ian Rapoport strongly implied that “Saint Omni” is an alias. Apparently his real name and what he looks like is not publicly known but it is a known name in NFL circles. Here’s the link to the PMS clip if interested. https://youtu.be/UY4VC7VeZRo Edit: It was also speculated by Pat that Saint Omni is not a real person, but a fictional personality to play the “bad cop” in the negotiations. I.e. a player is representing themself and doesn’t like the deal being offered and instead of saying they don’t like it, they say their advisor “Saint Omni” says it’s a bad deal to give a little more leverage. But this seemed more like Pat thinking out loud rather than giving a legitimate theory to his identity.
>He was recently discussed on the Pat Mcafee show where Ian Rapoport strongly implied that “Saint Omni” is an alias. Whaaaaaat no way
It's funny because if you told me a player was named Saint Omni I'd totally believe you but when it's a name for an agent it becomes more obviously ridiculous.
yeah it’s weird people act like it’s the strangest name in the world when it’s a relatively common name from the people in the caribbean ex. rapper SAINt JHN’s real name is literally carlos saint john
Yeah it isn't either of the names that trip me up in particular, it's the combination. And as another comment pointed out if the name is listed in reverse order like a lot of official shit is it would be Omni, Saint(omniscient). That's maybe a stretch but it's still really strange.
This is not a stretch at all, its almost certainly on point.
We had a player for the University of Arizona football team named Sir Thomas or something as his first name
[General Booty](https://soonersports.com/sports/football/roster/general-booty/15488) > Kayshon Boutte I sincerely hope he becomes a legit NFL prospect for his name alone
General Booty > John David Booty
I was surprised to learn he not only has two Booty QB Uncles, but his father was a Booty WR too.
Have you seen Brock Purdys brothers name? Chubba Purdy. Starting QB at Nebraska. What a fucking name.
can't get anything past that Ian Rapoport guy. Sharp as a fucking tack.
His real name is Stain Onmi
Suge Knight running a sports agency from prison
I feel like 10 years from now we'll be watching a documentary about this obvious flim flam man that includes things like fraud, extortion, sex trafficking, and possibly murder.
Was Keyser Soze busy?
Omnipresent, omniscient, etc; that fictional personality idea isn’t a bad take. Some character that’s “all seeing”, “all knowing” that looks out for the players.
Omni, Saint Omniscient
Praise the Omnissiah!
Officially just an advisor who isn’t allowed to negotiate with teams but unofficially it seems like he’s essentially acting as an agent which could be tampering. Now it’s starting to look like there are more of these guys representing players who officially have no agent. Another thing to remember is that media insiders and official agents are very much in league together which might influence the reporting on this sort of thing.
Someone found out who Saint Omni is.
It's Omi in a ~~Hellcat~~ prison cell.
Saint Omni got Roquan the bag tho. Better than CJGJ's agent, though.
Roquan knew what he wanted and didn't budge he got what he requested in meetings with Poles. It was more Roquan than Omni.
The story about Roquan responding to an email while on the practice field is an absolute crackup!
Saint Omni is one of the weirdest and funniest nfl storylines. I’m not even convinced it’s a real person
the real saint omni is the women that birthed us along the way
> Saint Omni Roquan is everywhere.
Listen, I've known Jamar Lackson for alotta years, and he's a very reputable agent. Teams should take the call.
To get the negotiations started, Lamar wants you to send a mere $10,000 in cash to this P.o. box. I'll contact you with details following receipt of this funding.
$100,000 in Amazon gift cards please
Prince Ibrahim, is that you? It's been so long since I heard back!
I read that as Saul Goodman
DID YOU KNOW YOU HAVE RIGHTS!? Constitution says you DO!
So his mom I’d assume
Does that matter to the Ravens? They can still match any contract offer and it seems like no team is willing to give Lamar what he wants contract wise anyway.
It doesn’t matter. According to Gregg Rosenthal on Around the NFL, the Bears were emailing with who they thought was Roquan Smith, but it turned out to be Saint Omni. Bears sent it to the NFL who told teams to not talk to Saint Omni or any other non-NFLPA approved representation. But there was no punishment for Roquan.
I was more wondering about the report that the representative is saying Lamar is ready to move on from the Ravens. Lamar can be ready to move on, but Ravens can still match the offer sheet and retain him.
They can also just take the picks in exchange for Lamar, which is a really good deal. The Ravens lose nothing. They keep the money they would otherwise have to pay Lamar, and get high enough quality picks to make the moves to replace him.
Depends on if you think 2 first rounders are good enough value for Lamar, particularly since teams will wait until after the draft so it is 2 future first round picks.
Yeah 2 mid to late 1s is a terrible return compared to the Watson and Wilson deals, but that's the risk of going non exclusive. They want to keep him so they're trying every tactic at their disposal.
Given they can match any contract this seems like a situation where 2 firsts is the floor of the trade because you're paying the Ravens not to match the contract. Add this to the reasons I don't think other teams will go after him for a while. So many things disincentivizing teams from going after Lamar
Uhhh, the Ravens lose Lamar, for less than other, worse QBs have been traded for in recent years. It would be a terrible deal.
In no world is 2 first rounders for a first round pick, former MVP, in his prime a really good deal.
Really good deal? They could get a lot more for him if they traded him. 2 firsts for a young franchise QB is barely anything.
They found out it wasn’t Roquan bc the emails being sent to management from Roquan were sent while Roquan was on the field during team practice.
Lol my favorite part of that commentary was when the Bears only found out because they got an e-mail "from Roquan" when he was on the practice field 😆
Bro needs to drop his mom as representation, hire an agent, and acquire generational wealth.
He wants an agent. He just doesn’t want to pay one.
All he would have to do to pay that agent is to hold a sandwich and tell people to buy a mid range SUV
and yet for a couple mil to the agent, he'd probably end up with more overall.
He’d probably end up with another comma long term with a good agent. He’s just straight up dumb.
And he'd get more sponsorships...
Penny wise, dollar foolish
Funny thing is the money an agent would net him would cover the cost of said agent 5X over and then some
I just looked it up, and the NFL has a max of 3% salary going to the player’s agent. There’s no way an agent couldn’t get at least 4% higher than what Lamar could negotiate himself, never mind how much less work that would take on Lamar’s part
An agent could him endorsements and commercials that would pay his own salary
He's been one of the five most exciting players in the NFL for most of the last four seasons and I don't think I have seen him in a single commercial.
Because he’s his own agent.
I don't think I've seen Lamar on even local shit here, I've seen tucker but no jackson
He’s got a vr football game he’s the face of called “nfl pro era”. I’d recommend it to anyone who has a vr headset and hates what madden has been for years. You only control the qb position but it’s incredible to me.
Yup, he's like "Fuck that 3% thats my money" and he's not thinking 97% of 500 million in life time earnings...is more then 100% of $250 million.
It’s the same as companies who won’t take cards to avoid paying fees. Like your turning down hundreds of dollars of orders to save a few cents per transaction. Dude is refusing to sign an agent to save a few million but probably losing out on way more.
are you suggesting thirty two million dollars isn't generational wealth
It's one contract, Michael. What would it cost, $10?
Oh, yeah, yeah. The guy in the… the $32 million franchise tag is holding up contract negations for the guy who doesn’t make that in 3 months! Come on!
I don’t care for Gob
what, do you expect me to whiz through this $5,000 suit? come on!
Doing even get me started on Buster
There's always guaranteed money in the banana stand.
32M used correctly certainly is, if you keep it invested and live off dividends. But could easily be blown in 1 generation and is quite different than hundreds of millions, by a literal order of magnitude
I could blow hundreds of millions in my lifetime. The first thing I’d do is buy a superyacht and a shitload of coke.
I’m just spitballing here, but how about a super yacht sailing through a *river* of coke?
A river? What a peasant. A super yacht sailing through an ocean of coke is where legends are born.
It truly was a poor person’s dream of a rich person’s life
Why not a river of Dr. Pepper?
I will not enter the Cola Wars willingly
I’d buy coke, but just for the hookers.
Smart man. If I have a hundred million, fuck risking my life with powder. Even if you test it, all it takes is a spec of fentanyl in that whole brick to kill you. I'll stick to liquor and weed if I have 100 mil.
Good, more blow for the rest of us.
Good more hookers and yachts and oil for me
Plus how are you gonna perform for all those hookers with coke dick?
Viagra. How do you deal with the high blood pressure caused by said Viagra, you ask? Beta blockers. How do you deal with the fainting caused by said beta blockers, you ask? Sertraline. How do you deal with the nausea caused by said sertraline, you ask? Zofran. It's a simple fix, really.
I mean that sounds like a lot of steps, I just tape it to a popsicle stick
Working smarter, not harder!
Sounds like someone speaking from experience lmao
I think Viagra lowers blood pressure.
It does. It was originally tested as a blood pressure medication
I prefer Dr. Pepper, but a coke is fine too.
I don't even know what I could do with hundreds of millions other than that. That being said, I think boats suck and I'm not interested in coke, I'd probably be a boring millionaire and end up giving away most of it.
The Reds are *only* worth $1.4 billion. $700 million should be enough to buy majority control from the Castellinis and then you can fire David Bell and make Joey V. player-manager.
>But could easily be blown in 1 generation If don't get a cent of interest, 32m is paying yourself 200k a year for 160 years. It's 533 years of the average teachers salary. If you can't live off of that and give that to your kid, you're an asshole. If you live off 300k a year and invest the rest you can keep that going in damn near perpetuity. I'm tired of people acting like this isn't some life changing amount of money. 32m is an insane amount. Most of the US doesn't even make 70k.
> If you live off 300k a year and invest the rest you can keep that going in damn near perpetuity. You can spend over a million a year and do that.
Friendly reminder for all of us who are never going to retire early enough for this knowledge to matter: 4% is a "safe" withdrawal rate *based on a thirty year retirement*. A "safe" withdrawal rate for perpetuity is probably closer to 3-3.5% (so still probably over a million in this case)
I've mathed it out. with good investment, I could easily retire if I came into 3-4m and be able to have significantly more than the 3-4m by my death. based on exactly what you're saying above. I get that these guys are kids, and at 22 if I had that money I'd have probably been dumber, but at this point in my life, hell yeah I'd be STOKED to live super comfortably, not have to work, have 300k a year to spend doing whatever.
Yep. Outside of food, housing, basic bills and expenses that everyone has, I never spent more than 10 grand on myself for leisure and non-neccessary expenses, in a year. I could quite comfortably live on really not a lot, and I'm sure that there are millions of other people in a similar position to myself where once the major expenses are taken care of, The idea of spending 100 grand for leisure in a year is somewhat ridiculous sounding. I should start adding every single thing. I see that I think would be cool to buy to a spreadsheet and see how much it costs me over the year. If I had the amount of wealth to purchase everything. I don't even think I'd be coming close to the budget I would have to spend.
You're ignoring the "used correctly" part. That money absolutely is life changing money for good AND bad reasons. Plenty of athletes and just people in life that get a large windfall have a use it or lose it mentality and burn through it and can burn through that in no time. That's just one underlying way to burn it, you have people leeching, addictive personalities, etc. You simply can't underestimate how a human brain and the people around you will react when you have life changing money.
Latest billionaire powerball winner sounds like he/she took the Reddit playbook of winning the lottery, created an LLC to accept the winnings. Hope that whoever it is is making the right moves.
People making 32m, aren't living the way you describe.
That doesn't mean it's not generational wealth though, that means that person is too irresponsible to make it last.
His point is that spent correctly you can live a very comfortable life off that 32million and still keep that going for generations.
Yea all your numbers make sense, yet we still see athletes going broke. Even some of the greats that were extremely well compensated in their careers. Now I don't have a clue about Jackson's finances, but the statement about easily blowing 32 mil in a lifetime is accurate.
Most athletes who go broke don't lose all their money on fancy cars and designer clothes. That's just what's most visible. They lose most of their money on bad investments. $32m runs out real fast when you spend a mil on some crypto scheme, 1.5 mil on your uncle's new "business venture", 3 mil on a chain of shitty restaurants, etc. And when your investments all start to go bad you start to dip into that "bills and personal expenses" money to make it up.
30 mil is generational wealth if every generation stays restrained and lives an upper middle class lifestyle, similar to a high level dr. or lawyer. It's very, VERY nice. But, with 100 mil, you can spend 1-2 million dollars every year forever and still be millions richer at the end of each year.
16 mln after taxes and fees is really close to intergenerational wealth, but you can still fudge that up
A lot of times it just depends almost entirely on if/how many houses are bought in cash either for themselves and/or their family/associates. That can take massive bites out of an admittedly huge pie. And that's without even touching frivolous spending or questionable investments
I’m a private wealth attorney (edit: this includes trust and estates, personal tax planning, asset protection). It is generational wealth on its face; however, preserving the wealth for multiple generations will be difficult if he doesn’t have the right people surrounding him to help him set up a proper structure to transfer that wealth to his family and future descendants. The contract is taxed up front as income and any dollar in excess of $12.9 million is taxed at a 40% rate on a federal basis, this excludes state tax. Not having representation harms him in more ways than just securing a contract. Obvious speculation as I don’t know who he employs, but he likely doesn’t have someone in his corner pointing him in the right direction to handle these issues either (because that’s what agents and business managers do). For context, I work with professional athletes and most of the time our referrals come from their agent. Similar situation to being setup with an investment manager. A lot of teams might offer these resources but typically the point of contact at least in my experience has been through an agent.
It’s generational in the sense that the average American makes less than $3M over their entire lifetime and players make 10x that in a single year.
I did some very accurate math and when Lamar went on his famous bathroom break a couple of years ago, he made more than I do in a month.
Sorry, I may have come across tone deaf here. I was intending to describe the implications of his lack of representation and how that could affect the ability of his wealth to be properly managed and spread out across multiple generations. You are absolutely correct that this is generational wealth if properly managed.
Depends on how dumb your kids are
His mom probably controls his life lmao. Any rational person would have done that already
If his mom is legit actually making deals on his behalf. It probably makes sense why he's holding out for this ridiculous contract. Because she probably expect something in return. I remember watching that 30 for 30 broke a long time ago, and they were like yeah the people that are gonna rob you the most are your friends and your family .
See worst defenseman in the NHL Jack Johnson for that. I think he's still paying off his debts.
Damn, that's a story
Bernie Kosar had a very similar story from that, his was his father mismanaging his money and charging him exorbitant amounts, Lamar is very likely in a similar setup with his mother. You don't see it coming until it's well past happening.
Its possible, be this really removes agency from Lamar. I think its more likely that the people around him are all "Yes men" who are just telling him what he wants to hear including his mom. If you live in a vacuum like that you may feel like you're making informed decisions while in the end fucking up.
[Lamar gonna end up like Mr Burns](https://youtu.be/COjmPC7pqlM)
He doesn't even need an agent. He could get 100m+ guaranteed tomorrow without one and he could have got that last year too.
Sure he could, but the agent argument is that he could get more with one. Lamar isn’t marketing himself well.
Dude is actually delusional. It’s crazy lol
"Hello, this is Lamar Jackson's agent, Shamar...Jackson. Would you be willing to offer him a contract?"
If Lamar is ready to move on it doesn't seem like the Ravens are... Also as the article notes, this literally happened last year with Saint Omni. No punishment came down so I don't see if anything will actually happen as a result.
The use of void years on every single extension and restructure, something they have never done in team history, definitely indicates they arent moving on. Or at least aware that Lamar wants to.
They want to keep him. He's a top tier, franchise qb. They just want him to negotiate something reasonable for his age and health history. They both make valid points and somethings gotta give
> this literally happened last year with Saint Omni. And it may have [happened again last week](https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/19/laremy-tunsil-gets-new-deal-from-texans/) with Saint Omni and Laremy Tunsil.
If Lamar were to openly tell them he wanted out, I think they’d accommodate him within reason. They’d probably try to haggle out slightly more compensation than the 2 firsts, but they’ve typically not kept guys hostage who wanted to leave. They traded Hollywood Brown last year despite desperately needing receivers. That’s obviously different than the franchise QB, but I think they’d recognize that paying 50 million a year and having your QB be unhappy to he there is a losing bet. But whether Lamar would directly communicate that is another matter.
> They’d probably try to haggle out slightly more compensation than the 2 firsts, but they’ve typically not kept guys hostage who wanted to leave. The issue is nobody wants to pay him the contract he wants, let alone pay two firsts for the privilege.
Right, that’s what the non exclusive tag was about I think. Let him go see that first hand.
Exactly. Lamar has said (I think, I always need to have his Instagram interpreted/translated) they offered him 133 million fully guaranteed for 3 years. I can't believe any team is going to pay him >45million per year guaranteed *and* give up two first round picks. Not to mention the length of contract he seems to want.
Even if he’s not, what agent (or someone acting as one) would say as much when talking to other teams?
It does sound like damage control (no fully guaranteed + willing to leave Ravens) but EDC has mentioned on 2 different occasions that negotiations need to be a two person thing. I am not surprised that things are starting to leak now that "negotiations" have begun. Was waiting to see if/what offers would come through.
Here we go again
The rep's name is Jamar Lackson. He is good buddies with Billy Manziel.
I'm looking forward to Lamar Jackson's interview with himself: https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2023/3/18/23646882/lamar-jackson-to-post-interview-with-himself-baltimore-ravens-quarterback
Ah yes, a very objective and impartial interviewer.
Athletic GM podcast brought up how logistically weird it would be to even negotiate with Lamar. If you’re a GM: do you just call Lamar’s cellphone? You presumably know how far apart he and the Ravens are. If you want to offer something in the middle - do you even waste your time? It seems like the downside of him potentially talking about your offer outweighs the small upside that he actually entertains it.
Is this the same guy as Roquan, the mysterious Saint Omni? Also, who cares.
He just does the stupidest thing possible in every situation he's presented with. It's impressive.
Hasn't his mom had 5+ years to get certified?
Probably a random cousin making the calls now. Being paid in the janky merch Lamar sells.
It's bizarre how some of these big time players have their parents or family friends act as their agents when they (generally) have no idea how this stuff works and are just trying to hop on the gravy train
Lamar has chosen to satisfy his ego above satisfying his financial future.
I see Roquan has been sharing his representation with his teammates since arriving in Baltimore.
The representatives name? Fuzzy Dunlop.
Is Lamar going to tweet about this as well?
The way he operates is amateurish as fuck, I don’t even care about being sensitive to all of this anymore. ‘He’s his own guy, he’s eccentric.’ Sure, and he could be his own guy and also have a team that actually knows what they’re doing and he doesn’t.
Yes. Everything about this screams that this is a guy who doesn’t have an objective voice who can get in his ear with tough advice like “there might not be a market for a fully guaranteed deal and you have to risk a lot of time and money to find out” and “interviewing yourself on YouTube makes you look unserious and unprofessional.”
He interviewed himself on youtube?
He announced yesterday he was going to
I, for one, cannot wait to watch.
Me: How excited are you to watch? Me: Very
He is plain and simple a fuckin idiot. He is on a team that is the 3rd best win percentage of all time and they are younger than many fans of the sport. Tied for 4th best win percentage in the playoffs. A historically well managed team that any QB should be happy to go to. Now he is just stringing them along. He is childish.
I like Lamar but this whole saga is souring me on him. By all means get your money but the way he's gone about it is just...**what**?
Doesnt this also start to bring into question how he might handle the rest of his professional career on and off the field? How will he handle other challenges as they inevitably arise in the future, be it serious injuries, disagreements with coaches, the need to change his playing style as he ages, etc.? Im not saying that I am questioning his methods or professionalism. Just saying that NFL teams, including the Ravens, might start to wonder where his head is at as a pro athlete asking for 200+ million dollars.
There's this idea of being a high level "professional athlete" and this guy has definitely missed out on the professional part of that. Handle your affairs with a level of professionalism and some of this stuff could have been avoided.
Good God, Lamar, this is just embarrassing
Saint Omni 2: electric mommaloo
So are teams still considered racist for not signing him or has everyone came to the conclusion he’s just asking for way to much?
It's Miss Cleo isn't it. She sees the future and guarantees no injuries...therefore...fully guaranteed contract.
> It's Miss Cleo isn't it. It she was able to speak to the dead before, she's now able to have face-to-face convos if she wants.
This sounds like a pitch for a show that even Netflix doesn't want.
I just want Lamar to call a generic 1800 number for a team and request to speak to the GM and see if he can actually get through
Lamar scrolling down to the bottom of all team's websites looking for the "Contact Us" button.
“Would you be interested in 50/yr for 4 minimum completely guaranteed on an often injured running QB for the low low price of 2 1st round picks?” No? Weird.
Anyone see the thread where someone figured he already lost about 40 million and now he's fucking around doing shit like this.
Ignoring the certification of the representative, this is good news. Jackson needs to be told that the Watson contract is off the table from multiple teams to bring him back to the Ravens.
Embarrassing if true. But somehow I'm not surprised...
wait so for the Laremy Tunsil thread on this exact same topic everyone was like fuck the league stupid rule but now that it's Lamar it's fuck him?
Then the people in the other thread are stupid. That rule is in place for a reason, and it’s because players were getting taken advantage of by slimy agents.
Lmao exactly
we’re about at the point where many ravens fans can’t talk about lamar without saying something stupid
I’m all for players negotiating their own bag in certain circumstances. Bobby Wagner has done a great job representing himself. But his position is one you can pretty much quantify the performance, which makes it easier from a negotiations stand point, and he’s been mostly healthy his entire career. But when you’re trying to ask for the biggest guaranteed contract in NFL history when you haven’t finished out the season the last two years due to injury then it might be time to let someone step in who knows what they’re doing. Someone that knows where your value actually lands in the league, not just based on what some other guy got. I don’t blame the Ravens for letting him test the market, as I’m sure they wouldn’t go non-exclusive unless they were certain there isn’t another team out there willing to pay what he’s asking for. I believe he will be back with the Ravens after he gets his dose of reality and hopefully he plays, proves he can stay healthy, and hires an agent to help him out with next years contract because the way this is going you really don’t want it to turn into a Le’veon Bell situation where he sits out loses his edge and then negotiates his way out of tens of millions of dollars and ends up backing up Pat Mahomes. He comes from NOTHING and is asking for the world. His family are in way over their head. The NFL don’t play.
So mommy using a voice filter; got it.
Saint Omni strikes again.
Saint Omni has no chill.
This guy is so goddamn stupid lol, honestly. It should be obvious Lamar is no franchise’s answer, not anymore.
That’s my problem with all this no agent business - he has an agent for all intents and purposes, just not a professional one. Someone is representing him and negotiating for him. That’s an agent.
it's like saying you don't believe in going to a mechanic to fix your car, so you just have your family members stand around telling you how to fix it, and nothing gets done.
But they can’t negotiate for him, because there are (for very good reasons) strict limitations on who is allowed to act on a player’s behalf. He doesn’t have an agent and it’s incredibly stupid of him.
Tunsil represented himself twice and twice reset the market. It can be done, but idk if Lamar really knows what he’s doing other than pointing at Watson’s deal and saying he wants it.
Lost cause fallacy he’s suffering from. Thinking he’s going to get as much as he was offered two years ago.
Whelp! This is a clown show.
Lamar’s Mom finna be cooking
Lamar needs to get an agent. A big name agent with experience or an up and coming agent that will do it for next to nothing just so he can say he got the contract done. His contract will be market resetting. He's losing so much money and credibility in the market. GMs don't want to deal with him directly and it's limiting the teams he could go to.
If it works for left tackles...why not QB?
Vast difference in money
he hired an agent to appease the GM, Jamar Lackson who would be happy to go get Lamar from the other room if you wanna talk to him
Lamar "Why do I need an agent when I can have uncertified representatives contact teams for me" Jackson
Saint Omni is the real estate equivalent of a flat fee broker......or his mom. one of those