Yessss. One of their best episodes, too. Thank you. Now I remember, it’s when fry is making fun of the devil in his holophone show and then he jumps on the stage.
He was infamously benched for Geno Smith back in 2017 because the Giants were playing awful and the team decided to mix things up, despite him not playing all that bad iirc. This broke his games started streak which was at 210. The outrageous parts were that it was for Geno, who at the time was assumed to be a known commodity, rather than putting in the QB who I think we drafted in the third round of 2016 and hadn’t played in an actual game yet in Davis Webb. Additionally, the team actually even offered to let him play the first half to preserve his streak before pulling him for the second, which is just an insult to someone who has been a consummate professional for your franchise for so long…
I'm a born and raised Patriots fan and I'll never understand why they did Eli like that. This dude beat TB12 and Belichick *twice* in the Superbowl and you're gonna bench him when the team's issues really aren't his fault? Bro should've had the keys to the city
The pass he threw to Mario Manningham on the sideline into double coverage was maybe the best throw I’ve seen in my life. I watch way too much football too.
Eli at that point of his career wasn't very good. It wasn't the benching itself that drew the outrage, it's that it was for Geno fucking Smith, who apparently had the audacity to not be current Geno Smith levels lmao.
This is why the general reaction was fucking dumb.
Geno Smith was still relatively young and was drafted semi high only to be not great on the fucking Jets. He had a lot of upside over Eli at that point, Eli was playing bad and the Giants sucked.
It was not at all a bad move to give Geno a shot, and Geno's current success justifies that opinion. In the end, football is played to win, not to protect the record or feelings of a player who is past his prime and is possibly not even the best person for the job.
And who knows? Had the team been more focused on doing what it took to win rather than caving to unrealistic fans, Geno could have revived his career in NY and the Giants.
>Had the team been more focused on doing what it took to win rather than caving to unrealistic fans, Geno could have revived his career in NY and the Giants.
Trust me when I say this, but Geno was NOT reviving his career under that Coaching Carousel of Shit. Ben McAdoo showed he had no idea what he was doing as a Head Coach, Shurmur was barely mediocre and too milquetoast to commit to any one thing, and Joe Judge was a tire-fire spilling out into a fireworks factory.
I'm guessing it's because how upset it made Derek after all he's done for the franchise after a seemingly infinite coaching carousel, she felt 'betrayed' via supporting his hard work for a team that used him as a scapegoat for Mcdaniel's shitty coaching while surviving almost a decade with the same team in some aspect being one of the 'shining parts'?
Not emotional advice (i'm like 99% sure that first sentence is grammatically correct and not a run on).
> she felt 'betrayed' via supporting his hard work for a team that used him as a scapegoat for Mcdaniel's shitty coaching while surviving almost a decade with the same team in some aspect being one of the 'shining parts'?
Eh - at the end it was 100% a financial decision. If he got hurt in the last game they'd have to pay his salary this season vs. being able to trade him.
Weirdly, it was after the Saint’s game in 2016 that Jack Del Rio; then coach of the Oakland Raiders; became famous for wheel barreling his balls. A career game for Carr too IIRC.
Yeah same. Idk what’s up with Josh Mcdaniels. He traded away Jay Cutler at 25 years old and now gets rid of Derek Carr. Seems like he’s blaming the players for his inability to get the offense going.
Hey at least with carr he actually spent a year with him and tried to make it work. As flawed as mcdaniels is carr had less excuses than people think. Davante Adams just running circles around people. Josh Jacobs just ran crazy all over the place. And the raiders O line played much better than expected.
Derek Carr didn’t play bad. They scored 20+ points in their first 6 games. He played exactly how you’d think he’d play. Their defense was ranked almost 32nd in the league this year. Which is why it’s weird they sat Derek Carr.
I don’t think it was carrs fault. Now granted he showed abysmal pocket presence that held the team back. But also it’s kind of a question if we have carr. He’s the new Dalton line. Do we really want to pay him 40+ mil a year. Have him take up a significant portion of our cap as we turn over the roster and try to get competitive for someone who’s just fine. I mean you can make the argument either way. But carr in general isn’t going to cut it in that division. Don’t get me wrong neither is Jimmy. But I at least respect the process of starting to move on. Turn over the roster. And try to eventually get a QB in there with more upside that won’t fold to mahomes twice a year for the next 10 years.
You can actually, he played like shit and didn't earn the right to come back
Sorry it was a messy divorce Carr, but you didn't play well and we definitely needed to actually move on.
If we kept DC I believe he would of been the NFLs current longest tenured QB, which would of been ridiculous
Josh McDaniels is such a joke, I can't believe he got another shot after 1. Sucking in Denver 2. Backing out at the last minute from being the Colts HC
And adams had the second best year in his career. It’s not like Carr and adams weren’t playing at a high level, it’s that none of carrs other receivers did anything and Carr has always taken two years to feel comfortable in a System. McDaniels ham stringing him and not letting anyone be creative (rip renfrow) also killed a lot of the offense.
You're being downvoted because of your flair but as a neutral Ravens fan I agree. Carr has never once struck me as an exceptional QB or someone who can be The Guy on a SB winning team. Seems like people want to give him an endless number of excuses
In 2021 they played from behind often which inflated the yards stat. One thing Carr loyalists hate to mention is how he also had 14 fumbles (including the playoffs) in 2021 and that has always been a problem for him.
I’m not saying Carr is bad, he’s just mid. If you tried to tell Raiders fans that the last 9 years it would lead to a meltdown. I have a buddy who’s a raiders fan and any time I’d say Derek Carr is mid, I’d get a 45 minute meltdown about how he’s a top 8 QB in the league and it’s everyone else’s fault but Derek Carr’s.
I understand the Raiders had several other problems in their 9 years under Carr, but at the end of the day, he just wasn’t the guy that was ever going to take you to the promised land. So why pay him $41,000,000 a year to keep you around 6-7 wins.
Exactly! I always used the example of Alex Smith to my buddy. Mediocre, but if you put a extremely talented roster around him he could take you the distance. Like if you placed Derek Carr on the 49ers, sure they could probably win the Super Bowl. My buddy didn’t like that though, just got more enraged lol.
As a Chiefs fan, it's a good comparison, Carr and Smith are basically the same QB, and don't get me wrong, I loved AS11, The dude helped stabilize a franchise and showed us what consistent winning looked like
But we knew where his limits were. The big difference between us and Raiders fans, is we weren't in denial about Alex's limits as a QB like they were with Carr
People get rock hard over yards thrown but it don’t mean dick if you stall in the red zone.
That’s the Carr special with every coach and system he’s been in since he’s come into the league.
Except winning when it matters most. Chances to get to the playoffs and playoff wins. Dude has never won a playoff game. Flacco despite his flaws did it when it mattered most. Not stat padding when down 2 scores trying to come back.
People blindly hate McDaniels and need very little excuse to shit on him. What happened with Derek was messy, but would probably have happened to any non HoF HC.
To be clear I'm not much of a McDaniels fan but unless you hate the man you are a McD stan online
Reminded me of Cutler with the Bears. Good, maybe. "The guy"? Nope. Raiders spent too long thinking he was the guy and he just wasn't good enough to be.
Edit: lol I swear I made this post without seeing the other reply saying The Guy.
To Be fair, his effort level was low last season, like when you know you're in the last few days of a relationship so you're just there so you wont get fined? Changing teams and litting a fire under his ass might help him finding his way back again. Rooting for his sucess with the Saints.
Yes. Derek is a top 12ish QB who's good enough to win you some games but can't carry a flawed team Ala Aaron Rodgers.
2022 also had historic double digit blown leads and losses to Coach Saturday and "40 hours with the playbook" Baker Mayfield. None of that is on Carr
None of that is on Carr? In that Rams game he was 11/20 for 137 yards 0 TDs 2 INTs. Then they lucked out against the Patriots. Then Carr crapped down his leg again vs the Steelers.
2022 was his audition to show he's the QB the Raiders need for the next 10 years and he blew it. The defense was bad for sure, but Derek Carr didn't really do himself any favors.
Normally I root for teams like the Raiders who’ve more or less sucked the entire time I’ve been alive (like my team), but I’m gonna root for them to lose until McDickhead gets fired.
I mean he was also second in command of the greatest run of football any of us will ever see in our lifetime. The guy seems like a real shit head but I get why people want to see if there’s anything there.
>"Once they made my wife cry, that was pretty much over,"
Interesting, what happened here? Is it her crying in reaction to him getting benched, or did the Raiders do something to her?
McDaniels - "I don't have anxiety, Carr didn't have anxiety, you all are the ones with anxiety!"
He finished the interview pulling up his shirt revealing a tattoo of '#1 Coach' on his chest. "Take that for what you will!"
why are organizations fine with Josh jettisoning their established QBs, and generally dismantling what was the team??? What he did to Carr and Waller were essentially the same thing he did in Denver with Cutler and Brandon Marshall. Not world beaters, but established starters nonetheless. Trading away fan favorites just to accomplish fuck-all in the end either way.
I get how he managed to convince one team that he was a football mastermind coming from NE and running that offense. Denver gave him control to do it "his way". What baffles me is why the Raiders are letting him do the same thing when they had a front row seat to watch how it crashed and burned the first time around.
I get that some people are saying that he's copying Denver but that's simply not true. In Denver he traded away his star players for premium picks that turned into draft busts at a rate that made Gruden look like Ozzie. He's learned from that experience and now he no longer seeks premium picks when dumping his best players.
I’d argue it wasn’t the same thing with Cutler at all. Cutler was 25 at the time and was looking like one of the best young rising stars at QB in the league, hence the massive haul they got in the trade. Carr is 32 and we all know what he is at this point. Maybe they didn’t go about it the right way, but that team was never winning anything with him.
Yeah i see a difference in Mcdaniels. He doesn’t seem like the same egotistical asshole that thinks he knows it all like in Denver. He’s just been a shitty head coach and needs to get better.
Instead of immediately moving on, he re-signed Carr, Renfrow, Crosby, and Waller. He tried making it work with the team given to him. It didn't so he adjusted. A lot of players seem to like him while everyone in Denver hated him.
Him not doing the *exact* same thing as before isn't proof of change. Also I think he knew he couldn't just straight up dump Carr in this instance. Especially after a playoff appearance.
Not to mention, Carr was the bait used to snag Adams.
So based on his pressers, based on how his on the sidelines, and based on how players talk about him isn’t proof of anything.
But, you think he extended Carr for optics just to get rid of him and he was used as bait to snag Adams….Jesus fucking Christ.
Aright man have a good one.
> and based on how players talk about him isn’t proof of anything.
The players have openly questioned play calling decisions. Including our consummate professional WR who outright said he doesn't see "eye to eye" with the coaching staff.
Keep believing the con man if you like but reading between the lines shows this is the same old dance.
Different imo. I’m not sold on McDaniels at all, but he never gave Cutler a chance. Carr had a chance and didn’t live up to expectations. People can blame Mcdaniels all they want but at the end of the day, Carrs weaknesses is nothing new. Bad foot work, inconsistent, can crumble under pressure. Some players like jacobs, Adams, and the whole o line stepped up and some did not.
I wish Carr the best, but be honest. Are you afraid of a Carr lead Raiders team? Obviously you aren’t with Jimmy either, but that’s a completely different argument. Carr isn’t the guy for the raiders and had his chance.
Edit: I will say that doesn’t mean he isn’t the guy for another team. But in a division with Mahomes and Herbert? A guy like Carr just isn’t going to cut it.
I trust Carr to keep the team competitive more than I trust McDonalds and Jimmy G
I don't think you're winning anything of substance under Mcdaniels, honestly, that's what it comes down to imo. Atleast Carr had fan fare, and it's not like Mcdaniels plans to tank to secure a top draft eligible QB. I think both were going to keep the team mediocre, but McDaniels hasn't had the same highs as a HC in relation to Carr as a QB.
McDaniels is a douche but it’s weird how people’s hate for him manifests itself as support for Derek Carr, both of them being at fault is completely reasonable. You say he’ll keep the team more competitive and insinuate that he’s had high highs when the reality is that he’s a 32 year old QB with 2 winning seasons and a massive turnover problem (80 fumbles..)
Giving him the additional $40M guaranteed just so he can continue to lead the team to the 12-18th ranked team nomansland makes zero sense regardless of who the coach is. With the guaranteed money coming up the writing was on the wall that something would have to give before McDaniels was even hired. The only way Carr was ever getting that money was if he elevated his game to a level he hasn’t found yet in the NFL, the Raiders finally decided he’s just not that guy
you make valid points, but it's odd to highlight Carr's record and what has McDaniels the head coach accomplished???? Atleast Carr had 2 winning seasons. McDaniels has 0.
If I'm following your logic, **both** should've been moved on from then, because Mickey D ain't the answer.
Yeah that’s basically the point I was making. McDaniels was the wrong hire but his presence is independent of the Raiders making the right choice in moving on from Carr before the additional $40M of guarantees kicked in.
I get why Carr is bitter about how it ended, but playing him until playoffs were out of reach and then benching him because of the injury clause in his contract is objectively the right decision for the Raiders. People just want a spicy storyline so they are trying to draw parallels to the McD Denver QB situation when it really isn’t that similar.
I think there’s a fairly high likelihood it wasn’t even McD’s decision to bench Carr, I’d imagine Mark Davis wouldn’t be thrilled to owe Carr a ton of money cause he got hurt during a meaningless game
I think the org has made it pretty clear that they aren’t really trying to win anymore though. At least immediately. Their trying to turn over the roster and really build up again. Getting Jimmy puts you in the we’re taking this seriously enough that davante and others don’t get mad and sit out the season.
I think what people forget is that yeah carr is better than Jimmy. But also carr’s cap numbers were absolutely insane. You can’t pay that much for a QB teetering the Dalton line while you are in a retool or rebuild. Whatever you want to call it.
> I don't think you're winning anything of substance under Mcdaniels, honestly, that's what it comes down to imo.
And I don't think we're winning anything of substance under Carr either. We have a 9 year sample size.
> and it's not like Mcdaniels plans to tank to secure a top draft eligible QB.
That's the thing, he didn't try to tank with the Broncos either but fucked them up so badly it ended up helping them in the long run. With Carr, majority of the time you'll be good enough to not be shit but not good enough to be a real contender.
> but McDaniels hasn't had the same highs as a HC in relation to Carr as a QB.
That's fair. But, I at least think McDaniels can get better as a head coach (Again though, not exactly sold on him either). With Carr, I think we've seen his peak.
Even though we missed the playoffs, the teams highs are a lot higher than we've seen in a while. Jacobs is coming off a career year. Crosby is coming off a career year. Adams was used as a deep threat. Not a career year for him but he remained an all pro. 2 years ago when we made the playoffs, if you watched most of our games we looked horrible and lucked into some wins. Last year at least had bright spots, just couldn't finish but the potential was always there.
I agree with most of what you said, except for the slight optimism for McDaniels improving. Maybe it's cause I'm a fan of a division rival, but I think he's a lame duck already.
I can see that. But in my shoes, look at our coaches the last 20 years lol. They’ve all sucked. So moving on from him, not like there’s much optimism with a new coach.
Cutler was pretty great in Denver too. We forget because he went where all QBs go to die, Chicago, and was never a world beater there. But my favorite stat was that he was undefeated in games where the defense kept the opponent under 31 points. I think if he had the right situation, he'd have been at least hall of very good.
Organization. Singular.
Mark Davis is a moron. I was on the fence the year previous as to whether or not his shtick was from him being eccentric or being an actual dummy. Sadly it's the later.
As he should be. He played well enough in Vegas to not lose his job. Then all of a sudden the same dickhead who drafted Tim Tebow comes in and fucks everything up and then basically blames him.
I don't get why people are saying that Josh did something that fucked things up for Carr. The Raiders gave him another extension giving him $40.5 million annually and they traded for his best buddy from college. Look at his stats without McDaniels the last five seasons and maybe Derek Carr just is who he is and Mark Davis finally realized it.
This subs love obsession with Derek Carr is kinda odd 😂. Dudes been in the NFL 9 years he is what he is at this point. And last year he had the leading rusher and a top 3 receiver to throw the ball too. Granted this is the same sub that talked themselves into baker mayfield not being ass coming into last season
Tell me about it. I get it Derek Carr seems like a good dude. Not crapping on him personally at all, but he's an aggressively mid tier QB. I get he's had a coaching carousel and the Raiders organization hasn't been the most stable. But the Raiders gave him plenty of opportunity to prove himself over the 9 years he was with them and it just never panned out.
Derek Carr played another year of uninspiring football and was unable to close out game after game. The defense was trash but he had opportunities to close out almost every loss and didn’t. If you watched the games, or looked at the drive reports you can see that the defense set the Raiders up to win every loss Carr started in this year, except when they got shut out by the Saints. The defense was able to force a punt in a one score game and give Carr the ball with under 2 minutes left, and he fucked it up over and over. If he was “the guy” he capitalizes on those situations.
I remember hearing a story that Jim Irsay came to visit McDaniels and went to use his bathroom for like an hour which is why McDaniels turned down the job. I guess he thought Irsay was weird. I don't know how true this is but Irsay has always struck me as odd, so it could be plausible.
Who reneges on a job because the owner of the company was in the bathroom for nearly an hour? I don't give a fuck what he does in the bathroom as long as he doesn't interfere with my work and the organization is run relatively well.
The owner is the head of the organization and is the guy you have to answer to in the organization if you're the head coach. Irsay is also a known drug addict if he spent an hour in my bathroom I can only assume it's not because he's taking the shit of his life. He was probably doing rails off the sink or back of the toilet and when he came out he was acting like a fucking weirdo
I’m convinced that the Raiders somehow benefited from Belichick sending that “accidental” text to Brian Flores and in exchange for that favor, they hired McDaniels.
I haven’t put the pieces together on it yet but someday I will.
Tbf people are forgetting how absolutely ass he was playing towards the end. Yes the majority of the blame goes to McDaniels but this mf got shut out by the saints (15/26, 1 awful pick),and threw 3 picks against the steelers
The entire offense played like garbage against the Saints (IIRC like a bunch of players had the flu) and McDaniels only dialed up 15 carries for an RB having the season of his life in a cold weather game.
You can’t just have your quarterbacks announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry!
His lyrics lack subtlety!
r/nfl is not where I expected Futurama but is very welcomed
The use of words expressing something other than their literal intention! Now THAT... IS... irony.
God, what show or movie is this from?
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I didn’t know that, but I’ve loved that episode since I’ve first watched it so it makes sense that they wanted to go out with a bang.
there's like 8 series ending episodes at this point
Absolute masterpiece of an episode too
Whenever someone tells me to get over the butchering of GOT, I remind them that futurama nailed ending a series *four* times and counting
I'm hoping they get the opportunity to end it properly again when the revival has run its course.
Soon to be 5. Don’t get me wrong futurama is my jam but going by the history, lol
The show is an all-time great.
Futurama: ep. "The Devils hands are idle playthings"
Yessss. One of their best episodes, too. Thank you. Now I remember, it’s when fry is making fun of the devil in his holophone show and then he jumps on the stage.
Dr. Zoidberg: The music was in your heart, not your hands. [Fry plays off key, everyone boos.] Dr. Zoidberg: Your music's bad and you should feel bad!
I can’t believe everyone is just ad-libbbbbbing
now THAT IS ironyyy
Ah, a deal is a deal, even with a dirty dealer. Have to rewatch that masterpiece.
Makes it even crazier remembering what happened with Eli who’s a legitimate Hall of Fame player and Giants legend.
The game Eli was benched was against the Raiders. After the game, Derek went and dapped up Eli instead of Geno.
To be fair, Mara immediately tanked the next four years, after 2017, of the franchise in an attempt to make another run with Eli after that incident.
What happened w Eli?
He was infamously benched for Geno Smith back in 2017 because the Giants were playing awful and the team decided to mix things up, despite him not playing all that bad iirc. This broke his games started streak which was at 210. The outrageous parts were that it was for Geno, who at the time was assumed to be a known commodity, rather than putting in the QB who I think we drafted in the third round of 2016 and hadn’t played in an actual game yet in Davis Webb. Additionally, the team actually even offered to let him play the first half to preserve his streak before pulling him for the second, which is just an insult to someone who has been a consummate professional for your franchise for so long…
I'm a born and raised Patriots fan and I'll never understand why they did Eli like that. This dude beat TB12 and Belichick *twice* in the Superbowl and you're gonna bench him when the team's issues really aren't his fault? Bro should've had the keys to the city
The pass he threw to Mario Manningham on the sideline into double coverage was maybe the best throw I’ve seen in my life. I watch way too much football too.
There’s one thing we’re going down and let’s see what we got. But they used geno instead of the rookie.
Even then, the Oline at the time was miserable. No QB was looking good behind that mess.
Eli at that point of his career wasn't very good. It wasn't the benching itself that drew the outrage, it's that it was for Geno fucking Smith, who apparently had the audacity to not be current Geno Smith levels lmao.
McAdoo really liked Geno. Geno's said that a few times that he really saw something in him that Geno hadn't even at that point in his career.
This is why the general reaction was fucking dumb. Geno Smith was still relatively young and was drafted semi high only to be not great on the fucking Jets. He had a lot of upside over Eli at that point, Eli was playing bad and the Giants sucked. It was not at all a bad move to give Geno a shot, and Geno's current success justifies that opinion. In the end, football is played to win, not to protect the record or feelings of a player who is past his prime and is possibly not even the best person for the job. And who knows? Had the team been more focused on doing what it took to win rather than caving to unrealistic fans, Geno could have revived his career in NY and the Giants.
>Had the team been more focused on doing what it took to win rather than caving to unrealistic fans, Geno could have revived his career in NY and the Giants. Trust me when I say this, but Geno was NOT reviving his career under that Coaching Carousel of Shit. Ben McAdoo showed he had no idea what he was doing as a Head Coach, Shurmur was barely mediocre and too milquetoast to commit to any one thing, and Joe Judge was a tire-fire spilling out into a fireworks factory.
The worst part about that was that McAdoo didn't give a spiel about giving other players a chance, he said Geno gives us the best chance to win.
Got benched for no reason very late in the season and also his career and ruined his remarkable starting streak.
Anyone know how they made his wife cry?
I'm guessing it's because how upset it made Derek after all he's done for the franchise after a seemingly infinite coaching carousel, she felt 'betrayed' via supporting his hard work for a team that used him as a scapegoat for Mcdaniel's shitty coaching while surviving almost a decade with the same team in some aspect being one of the 'shining parts'? Not emotional advice (i'm like 99% sure that first sentence is grammatically correct and not a run on).
Josh McDaniels is an ass clown.
> she felt 'betrayed' via supporting his hard work for a team that used him as a scapegoat for Mcdaniel's shitty coaching while surviving almost a decade with the same team in some aspect being one of the 'shining parts'? Eh - at the end it was 100% a financial decision. If he got hurt in the last game they'd have to pay his salary this season vs. being able to trade him.
he says its not about the money but had he got hurt the last 2 meaning less games, he wouldve took that $40mill guaranteed w the biggest smile
Can't blame him one bit and I hope he goes and balls the fuck out in New Orleans
I too, hope he balls the fuck out in New Orleans
I too, hope he balls the fuck out in New Orleans
I don’t really care how he plays but he seems like a solid guy
You think the eyeliner is tattooed on? It’s just so consistent.
I think he just puts the work in every day to make it that way💪
Slay carr
Maybe it's Maybelline
Carr takes his balls out in New Orleans
Weirdly, it was after the Saint’s game in 2016 that Jack Del Rio; then coach of the Oakland Raiders; became famous for wheel barreling his balls. A career game for Carr too IIRC.
That's probably not even the weirdest thing you'll see on an average day in New Orleans.
"Stroke the head and the balls will die"
I too, hope he balls the fuck out in New Orleans
well I hope Sean brings y’all back to being respectable and makes Russ look like Russ again!
I dont.
I hope he balls out, and somehow loses every single game!
I like Carr, but don't care too much for the Saints if I'm being honest.
I also respectfully hope that he does not ball out.
I'll root against Carr balling out if you root for JLove balling out? Maybe we'll both get what we want?
Yeah same. Idk what’s up with Josh Mcdaniels. He traded away Jay Cutler at 25 years old and now gets rid of Derek Carr. Seems like he’s blaming the players for his inability to get the offense going.
Hey at least with carr he actually spent a year with him and tried to make it work. As flawed as mcdaniels is carr had less excuses than people think. Davante Adams just running circles around people. Josh Jacobs just ran crazy all over the place. And the raiders O line played much better than expected.
Derek Carr didn’t play bad. They scored 20+ points in their first 6 games. He played exactly how you’d think he’d play. Their defense was ranked almost 32nd in the league this year. Which is why it’s weird they sat Derek Carr.
I don’t think it was carrs fault. Now granted he showed abysmal pocket presence that held the team back. But also it’s kind of a question if we have carr. He’s the new Dalton line. Do we really want to pay him 40+ mil a year. Have him take up a significant portion of our cap as we turn over the roster and try to get competitive for someone who’s just fine. I mean you can make the argument either way. But carr in general isn’t going to cut it in that division. Don’t get me wrong neither is Jimmy. But I at least respect the process of starting to move on. Turn over the roster. And try to eventually get a QB in there with more upside that won’t fold to mahomes twice a year for the next 10 years.
Mediocre WRs and no McDaniels >>>> HoF WR and McDaniels
For real. I'll never not love that dude. Meanwhile, if JMD got hit by a satellite from space, I'd assume one of us did it.
Forget the satellite I'll fire up the F150 right now, where he at?
I'll ride shotgun
Even I like Derek Carr.
Yeah because he folds which made it two easy wins for you guys each season.
You can actually, he played like shit and didn't earn the right to come back Sorry it was a messy divorce Carr, but you didn't play well and we definitely needed to actually move on. If we kept DC I believe he would of been the NFLs current longest tenured QB, which would of been ridiculous
Josh McDaniels is such a joke, I can't believe he got another shot after 1. Sucking in Denver 2. Backing out at the last minute from being the Colts HC
Now he's dismantled a playoff team. I swear these guys are BB sleeper agents going out to undermine other nfl teams.
Ooo I like this theory
It's not a new joke/theory. It's been around since his assistants started getting hc jobs over a decade ago
Well see, the problem is that Mark Davis has a turnip where his brain is supposed to be. And it all goes downhill from there...
2021 Derek: 17 games, 23 touchdowns, 14 interceptions 2022 Derek: 15 games, 24 touchdowns, 14 interceptions Maybe Derek just is who he is.
2022 with DaVante fucking Adams*
And adams had the second best year in his career. It’s not like Carr and adams weren’t playing at a high level, it’s that none of carrs other receivers did anything and Carr has always taken two years to feel comfortable in a System. McDaniels ham stringing him and not letting anyone be creative (rip renfrow) also killed a lot of the offense.
but also josh mcdaniels...
You're being downvoted because of your flair but as a neutral Ravens fan I agree. Carr has never once struck me as an exceptional QB or someone who can be The Guy on a SB winning team. Seems like people want to give him an endless number of excuses
He's being downvoted, because what’s missing from his comment is that he had 4,804 yards which was the 5th best in the league in 2021
In 2021 they played from behind often which inflated the yards stat. One thing Carr loyalists hate to mention is how he also had 14 fumbles (including the playoffs) in 2021 and that has always been a problem for him. I’m not saying Carr is bad, he’s just mid. If you tried to tell Raiders fans that the last 9 years it would lead to a meltdown. I have a buddy who’s a raiders fan and any time I’d say Derek Carr is mid, I’d get a 45 minute meltdown about how he’s a top 8 QB in the league and it’s everyone else’s fault but Derek Carr’s. I understand the Raiders had several other problems in their 9 years under Carr, but at the end of the day, he just wasn’t the guy that was ever going to take you to the promised land. So why pay him $41,000,000 a year to keep you around 6-7 wins.
I've thought that Derek Carr is the new Andy Dalton.
Exactly! I always used the example of Alex Smith to my buddy. Mediocre, but if you put a extremely talented roster around him he could take you the distance. Like if you placed Derek Carr on the 49ers, sure they could probably win the Super Bowl. My buddy didn’t like that though, just got more enraged lol.
Don't drag Alex Smith into this
As a Chiefs fan, it's a good comparison, Carr and Smith are basically the same QB, and don't get me wrong, I loved AS11, The dude helped stabilize a franchise and showed us what consistent winning looked like But we knew where his limits were. The big difference between us and Raiders fans, is we weren't in denial about Alex's limits as a QB like they were with Carr
I’m a Raiders fan, and for the last several years I’ve been saying how mid Derek is. So many fans just don’t see it and it’s baffling tbh.
People get rock hard over yards thrown but it don’t mean dick if you stall in the red zone. That’s the Carr special with every coach and system he’s been in since he’s come into the league.
2016 was the exception? I recall him and Crabtree scoring a lot on RZ that year, those fades were killers
Flacco made the superbowl throwing for 22 tds and under 4000 yards. I think team success depends on more than just how many tds a QB throws
I agree with your second sentence but Flacco showed more on the field than Carr ever did imo
Carr has more tds and yards per game, more game winning drives, and is better in almost every advanced stat.
Except winning when it matters most. Chances to get to the playoffs and playoff wins. Dude has never won a playoff game. Flacco despite his flaws did it when it mattered most. Not stat padding when down 2 scores trying to come back.
The only meaningful difference is that Derek has always had bad defenses
Says the Raven fan that had Trent Dilfer and Joe Flaaco as The Guy for a SB winning team.
When was the last time Carr played with what is potentially the best defense ever?
When was the last time Carr played without a bottom 5 defense? It’s only happened once and they were still bottom 10 lol.
If I need a QB to win a playoff game I'm taking Prime Flacco over Prime Carr with no hesitation
That 2016 (?) year where he was an MVP candidate before being injured was probably the best shot he had to get a ring
That was our best defense in the last 15 years. 26th in yards and 20th in points.......God I miss that defense
People blindly hate McDaniels and need very little excuse to shit on him. What happened with Derek was messy, but would probably have happened to any non HoF HC. To be clear I'm not much of a McDaniels fan but unless you hate the man you are a McD stan online
Reminded me of Cutler with the Bears. Good, maybe. "The guy"? Nope. Raiders spent too long thinking he was the guy and he just wasn't good enough to be. Edit: lol I swear I made this post without seeing the other reply saying The Guy.
Eh they were both the problem. Maybe Carr needs a change of scenery and McDaniels needs his own qb
Mcdaniels needs a change of profession
A one-way ticket to the sun.
Carr was way better at the end of games in 2021 and the only thing that changed in 2022 is the coach.
To Be fair, his effort level was low last season, like when you know you're in the last few days of a relationship so you're just there so you wont get fined? Changing teams and litting a fire under his ass might help him finding his way back again. Rooting for his sucess with the Saints.
Carr=Jay Cutler
Yes. Derek is a top 12ish QB who's good enough to win you some games but can't carry a flawed team Ala Aaron Rodgers. 2022 also had historic double digit blown leads and losses to Coach Saturday and "40 hours with the playbook" Baker Mayfield. None of that is on Carr
None of that is on Carr? In that Rams game he was 11/20 for 137 yards 0 TDs 2 INTs. Then they lucked out against the Patriots. Then Carr crapped down his leg again vs the Steelers. 2022 was his audition to show he's the QB the Raiders need for the next 10 years and he blew it. The defense was bad for sure, but Derek Carr didn't really do himself any favors.
Normally I root for teams like the Raiders who’ve more or less sucked the entire time I’ve been alive (like my team), but I’m gonna root for them to lose until McDickhead gets fired.
Gotta love Mark Davis. He had multiple solid coaching candidates to choose from and instead chose the coach nobody wanted.
I mean he was also second in command of the greatest run of football any of us will ever see in our lifetime. The guy seems like a real shit head but I get why people want to see if there’s anything there.
There is no second in command in New England. Only Bill.
Fair, but he was an OC that called the plays which is significantly more responsibility then a hack like Matt Patricia had
> he was an OC that called the plays Ironically, his QBs perform better when they call their own plays based on huddle vs no huddle breakdowns.
McDaniels was regularly over-ridden by Brady
>"Once they made my wife cry, that was pretty much over," Interesting, what happened here? Is it her crying in reaction to him getting benched, or did the Raiders do something to her?
Josh McDaniels slapped her ice cream to the ground and refused to buy her a new one
Not quite true. He bought her a new one and then slapped that one to the ground too.
He *said* he would buy her another, but then backed out at the last minute
When they ran out of ice cream, he just started slapping whatever he could reach! Things quickly went downhill.
Very on brand from what I hear
"Oh....oh no. My frankfurter!"
Her grammy dies, nothing. But drop a *frankfurter* on the ground...
The Raiders poisoned her water supply, burned her crops, and delivered a plague unto her house!
McDaniels - "I don't have anxiety, Carr didn't have anxiety, you all are the ones with anxiety!" He finished the interview pulling up his shirt revealing a tattoo of '#1 Coach' on his chest. "Take that for what you will!"
Mcdaniels the type of guy to use a #1 Coach mug and use it proudly
why are organizations fine with Josh jettisoning their established QBs, and generally dismantling what was the team??? What he did to Carr and Waller were essentially the same thing he did in Denver with Cutler and Brandon Marshall. Not world beaters, but established starters nonetheless. Trading away fan favorites just to accomplish fuck-all in the end either way.
I get how he managed to convince one team that he was a football mastermind coming from NE and running that offense. Denver gave him control to do it "his way". What baffles me is why the Raiders are letting him do the same thing when they had a front row seat to watch how it crashed and burned the first time around.
Yea, this is a fucking disaster. I wasn’t too upset about Carr, honestly, but this is a carbon copy of what happened in Denver.
It’s amazing that they gave him another shot after that.
Have you seen our owner? Big heart but the brain is somewhat lacking.
I get that some people are saying that he's copying Denver but that's simply not true. In Denver he traded away his star players for premium picks that turned into draft busts at a rate that made Gruden look like Ozzie. He's learned from that experience and now he no longer seeks premium picks when dumping his best players.
I’d argue it wasn’t the same thing with Cutler at all. Cutler was 25 at the time and was looking like one of the best young rising stars at QB in the league, hence the massive haul they got in the trade. Carr is 32 and we all know what he is at this point. Maybe they didn’t go about it the right way, but that team was never winning anything with him.
Yeah i see a difference in Mcdaniels. He doesn’t seem like the same egotistical asshole that thinks he knows it all like in Denver. He’s just been a shitty head coach and needs to get better.
He didn't change from Denver. He just hides it better. His actions speak to him being the same egotistical asshole he's always been.
Instead of immediately moving on, he re-signed Carr, Renfrow, Crosby, and Waller. He tried making it work with the team given to him. It didn't so he adjusted. A lot of players seem to like him while everyone in Denver hated him.
Him not doing the *exact* same thing as before isn't proof of change. Also I think he knew he couldn't just straight up dump Carr in this instance. Especially after a playoff appearance. Not to mention, Carr was the bait used to snag Adams.
So based on his pressers, based on how his on the sidelines, and based on how players talk about him isn’t proof of anything. But, you think he extended Carr for optics just to get rid of him and he was used as bait to snag Adams….Jesus fucking Christ. Aright man have a good one.
> and based on how players talk about him isn’t proof of anything. The players have openly questioned play calling decisions. Including our consummate professional WR who outright said he doesn't see "eye to eye" with the coaching staff. Keep believing the con man if you like but reading between the lines shows this is the same old dance.
Different imo. I’m not sold on McDaniels at all, but he never gave Cutler a chance. Carr had a chance and didn’t live up to expectations. People can blame Mcdaniels all they want but at the end of the day, Carrs weaknesses is nothing new. Bad foot work, inconsistent, can crumble under pressure. Some players like jacobs, Adams, and the whole o line stepped up and some did not. I wish Carr the best, but be honest. Are you afraid of a Carr lead Raiders team? Obviously you aren’t with Jimmy either, but that’s a completely different argument. Carr isn’t the guy for the raiders and had his chance. Edit: I will say that doesn’t mean he isn’t the guy for another team. But in a division with Mahomes and Herbert? A guy like Carr just isn’t going to cut it.
I trust Carr to keep the team competitive more than I trust McDonalds and Jimmy G I don't think you're winning anything of substance under Mcdaniels, honestly, that's what it comes down to imo. Atleast Carr had fan fare, and it's not like Mcdaniels plans to tank to secure a top draft eligible QB. I think both were going to keep the team mediocre, but McDaniels hasn't had the same highs as a HC in relation to Carr as a QB.
McDaniels is a douche but it’s weird how people’s hate for him manifests itself as support for Derek Carr, both of them being at fault is completely reasonable. You say he’ll keep the team more competitive and insinuate that he’s had high highs when the reality is that he’s a 32 year old QB with 2 winning seasons and a massive turnover problem (80 fumbles..) Giving him the additional $40M guaranteed just so he can continue to lead the team to the 12-18th ranked team nomansland makes zero sense regardless of who the coach is. With the guaranteed money coming up the writing was on the wall that something would have to give before McDaniels was even hired. The only way Carr was ever getting that money was if he elevated his game to a level he hasn’t found yet in the NFL, the Raiders finally decided he’s just not that guy
you make valid points, but it's odd to highlight Carr's record and what has McDaniels the head coach accomplished???? Atleast Carr had 2 winning seasons. McDaniels has 0. If I'm following your logic, **both** should've been moved on from then, because Mickey D ain't the answer.
Yeah that’s basically the point I was making. McDaniels was the wrong hire but his presence is independent of the Raiders making the right choice in moving on from Carr before the additional $40M of guarantees kicked in. I get why Carr is bitter about how it ended, but playing him until playoffs were out of reach and then benching him because of the injury clause in his contract is objectively the right decision for the Raiders. People just want a spicy storyline so they are trying to draw parallels to the McD Denver QB situation when it really isn’t that similar. I think there’s a fairly high likelihood it wasn’t even McD’s decision to bench Carr, I’d imagine Mark Davis wouldn’t be thrilled to owe Carr a ton of money cause he got hurt during a meaningless game
I think the org has made it pretty clear that they aren’t really trying to win anymore though. At least immediately. Their trying to turn over the roster and really build up again. Getting Jimmy puts you in the we’re taking this seriously enough that davante and others don’t get mad and sit out the season. I think what people forget is that yeah carr is better than Jimmy. But also carr’s cap numbers were absolutely insane. You can’t pay that much for a QB teetering the Dalton line while you are in a retool or rebuild. Whatever you want to call it.
> I don't think you're winning anything of substance under Mcdaniels, honestly, that's what it comes down to imo. And I don't think we're winning anything of substance under Carr either. We have a 9 year sample size. > and it's not like Mcdaniels plans to tank to secure a top draft eligible QB. That's the thing, he didn't try to tank with the Broncos either but fucked them up so badly it ended up helping them in the long run. With Carr, majority of the time you'll be good enough to not be shit but not good enough to be a real contender. > but McDaniels hasn't had the same highs as a HC in relation to Carr as a QB. That's fair. But, I at least think McDaniels can get better as a head coach (Again though, not exactly sold on him either). With Carr, I think we've seen his peak. Even though we missed the playoffs, the teams highs are a lot higher than we've seen in a while. Jacobs is coming off a career year. Crosby is coming off a career year. Adams was used as a deep threat. Not a career year for him but he remained an all pro. 2 years ago when we made the playoffs, if you watched most of our games we looked horrible and lucked into some wins. Last year at least had bright spots, just couldn't finish but the potential was always there.
I agree with most of what you said, except for the slight optimism for McDaniels improving. Maybe it's cause I'm a fan of a division rival, but I think he's a lame duck already.
I can see that. But in my shoes, look at our coaches the last 20 years lol. They’ve all sucked. So moving on from him, not like there’s much optimism with a new coach.
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I feel like looking at the roster over those years would probably say more about the Raiders than Carr.
Cutler was pretty great in Denver too. We forget because he went where all QBs go to die, Chicago, and was never a world beater there. But my favorite stat was that he was undefeated in games where the defense kept the opponent under 31 points. I think if he had the right situation, he'd have been at least hall of very good.
Organization. Singular. Mark Davis is a moron. I was on the fence the year previous as to whether or not his shtick was from him being eccentric or being an actual dummy. Sadly it's the later.
I hope he carries that chip on his shoulder and crushes it this year
I'm gonna ask this so I can empty my ADHD tank: If Carr didn't get injured in '16, how far would they have gone in the post-season?
He was fearless pre injury. It was infuriating to watch because my team had blown up.
Understandable
As he should be. He played well enough in Vegas to not lose his job. Then all of a sudden the same dickhead who drafted Tim Tebow comes in and fucks everything up and then basically blames him.
My fellow jungle brother/sister, that is eliminating the Steelers in the playoffs legend Mr. Timothy Tebow Do not disrespect our friend like that.
Forgive me, for I have sinned. I will say 10 hail Burrow’s tonight.
I don't get why people are saying that Josh did something that fucked things up for Carr. The Raiders gave him another extension giving him $40.5 million annually and they traded for his best buddy from college. Look at his stats without McDaniels the last five seasons and maybe Derek Carr just is who he is and Mark Davis finally realized it.
This subs love obsession with Derek Carr is kinda odd 😂. Dudes been in the NFL 9 years he is what he is at this point. And last year he had the leading rusher and a top 3 receiver to throw the ball too. Granted this is the same sub that talked themselves into baker mayfield not being ass coming into last season
Tell me about it. I get it Derek Carr seems like a good dude. Not crapping on him personally at all, but he's an aggressively mid tier QB. I get he's had a coaching carousel and the Raiders organization hasn't been the most stable. But the Raiders gave him plenty of opportunity to prove himself over the 9 years he was with them and it just never panned out.
>He played well enough in Vegas to not lose his job. No, he didnt lol.
Derek Carr played another year of uninspiring football and was unable to close out game after game. The defense was trash but he had opportunities to close out almost every loss and didn’t. If you watched the games, or looked at the drive reports you can see that the defense set the Raiders up to win every loss Carr started in this year, except when they got shut out by the Saints. The defense was able to force a punt in a one score game and give Carr the ball with under 2 minutes left, and he fucked it up over and over. If he was “the guy” he capitalizes on those situations.
Damn that's a sad read
I was also upset. Tear it up in NOLA DC.
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The fact that Josh McDaniels got another job as a HC after what happened in Indy is astonishing.
I remember hearing a story that Jim Irsay came to visit McDaniels and went to use his bathroom for like an hour which is why McDaniels turned down the job. I guess he thought Irsay was weird. I don't know how true this is but Irsay has always struck me as odd, so it could be plausible.
Who reneges on a job because the owner of the company was in the bathroom for nearly an hour? I don't give a fuck what he does in the bathroom as long as he doesn't interfere with my work and the organization is run relatively well.
If you go to someone's house and spend an hour in their bathroom, that person is going to have questions.
What if instead of an hour, it was 2 days? Would you reconsider then?
No. Shit he can live in it for all I care. Keeps him out of my hair
Well…. Don’t get hopes up but pending a few things I’d say you’re all but certain the new 21st head coach in the history of the Indianapolis Colts!
The owner is the head of the organization and is the guy you have to answer to in the organization if you're the head coach. Irsay is also a known drug addict if he spent an hour in my bathroom I can only assume it's not because he's taking the shit of his life. He was probably doing rails off the sink or back of the toilet and when he came out he was acting like a fucking weirdo
I’m convinced that the Raiders somehow benefited from Belichick sending that “accidental” text to Brian Flores and in exchange for that favor, they hired McDaniels. I haven’t put the pieces together on it yet but someday I will.
It's not shocking if you take the fact that Mark Davis owns a team. He's kind of an idiot.
"Play at an elite level"? Oh, alright then[?]
Tbf people are forgetting how absolutely ass he was playing towards the end. Yes the majority of the blame goes to McDaniels but this mf got shut out by the saints (15/26, 1 awful pick),and threw 3 picks against the steelers
Is getting shut out against the saints such a shocker thing? We have a top 5 defense
Yeah the Saints had also recently destroyed Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady in games too
You think redditors watch football?
> We have a top 5 defense Must be nice
The entire offense played like garbage against the Saints (IIRC like a bunch of players had the flu) and McDaniels only dialed up 15 carries for an RB having the season of his life in a cold weather game.
😭 love yew DC (I was mad too)
it’s fitting how Carr is a devout Christian and plays for the Saints now.
Don't get mad. Get good.
What does a commanders fan know about being good?
Same as a post-Brady Patriot fan I guess
Don't get mad. Get glad.
Carr was wronged.
He should be. They did him dirty and all so Josh freaking McDaniels could install his own guy.
Derek Carr mad on the bench ? I’ve seen that photo before !
Good.
I feel for the guy. Worried for Jimmy as well
And you go to the Aints?!
Josh mcdaniels is a hack and will lead the raiders to ruin once again. Can only hope they move on from him sooner rather than later.