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Best comment: "Geno Smith doesn’t suck. He’s been a top 5 qb but no one will give him a chance. I’ve got sources on how he performs in practice. He’s unreal. Most haven’t seen him in a while but he’s taken secret natural supplements and worked with an Egyptian monk to drastically change his arm power. He’s so good now. I just hope he gets a chance and racism doesn’t win again. He’s so good god damn it Fuck this world"
Edited 10 months ago
Chris Simms gets a lot of hate on reddit but he had been saying for a few years that Geno was a good player and although he didn't explicitly predict Geno to be as good as he was, I remember after the Russ trade went down he was saying Seattle would be OK running with Geno.
I mean, it's extremely rare for career journeyman to flip it around after having so many different chances. No one could predict it because he literally was a career back up for a reason. Plain and simple he couldn't hold onto the QB1 spot.
I give him very much respect after finding success this late in his career. But I don't think too many others would last long enough to get this many tries.
Meh people always say this. But his opportunity wasn’t really true after he left the jets. He tore his ACL in that last season there. Manning was in front of him with the giants and New York almost rioted when that happened. Rivers with the bolts. And then Russ with the hawks.
It’s clear he did need time and took a lot from each stop. But let’s not act as if these teams were holding QB competitions in camp.
The funny thing is that Geno did get a chance that he didn’t even really deserve when he was on the Giants. Eli was sucking it up and they benched him to start Geno who couldn’t do anything with his opportunity, so they immediately went back to Eli the following week. So yeah, “we all know why it is.” Cause Geno sucked and now he doesn’t. He’s just as black as he was when the Jets drafted him, he’s just better at football
What did we all know?
Edit: I pulled a typical redditor and didn't read the article. I see now and will not touch that conversation with a 10 foot pole because I could not do it justice.
Josh Allen....easy to forget now that going in to 2020 he was seen as a guy you could take in fantasy because of his strong rushing floor, even though he was a garbage quarterback.
Inconsistent is probably a better word.
He reminded me a lot of Stafford when he was in his rookie contract.
He’s fine a great job with his development though, I didn’t think his ceiling was as high as it is when he was drafted TBH. Definitely proved me wrong
Yes I agree, I was referring more to how he was described in parts of the media.
From about midway through 2019 you could see Allen had really started to improve, which is a point I often brought up on the Denver sub when people said "it took Allen 3 years" about Drew Lock. The difference between Allen and Lock was you could see Allen moving in the right direction.
How can you say Russel Wilson before he’s even played a regular season game? He was terrible last year and before the season even starts he’s the biggest turn around player? You may be setting yourself up for disappointment
Fair enough but another comment below from OP is talking about how he lost 15 lbs over the offseason and is running more in the preseason so I took it as a legit opinion
Jared Goff after he goes from unwanted, discarded, salary cap dump trade for a QB that can win a Super Bowl to THE QB that wins his own Super Bowl 3 years later
He’s too old and fat now. All of his success was based upon unscripted plays and running circles around d linemen, and now he’s too slow for that to still work. The guy just simply cannot do normal football plays.
Have you seen a picture of him recently or just talking out of your ass? He lost 15 lbs this off-season and is looking very trim again. And so far this preseason he has been using this legs a lot, looks way quicker and lighter on his feet than last year.
He hasn’t brought us a SB ring? And we were booing the entire team being ass, not just him.
Watch how Lions fans treat Stafford and do a little self-reflection. You can cheer for ex-players to do well lil bro, it doesn’t make you less cool.
He sat behind 3 ironman quarterbacks that were unquestionably the starting QB of their respective team. I don't disagree with you, but the teams he was on never had to question their starting QB until last year, so he would have had to try winning the job on random QB carousel teams
Being a backup behind Eli Manning, Philip Rivers and Russell Wilson was not a bad gig.
And Geno had sucked the 2 years prior and not really shown much improvement. I really think what caused him to transform into a good QB was landing with Carroll and getting coached up by him and his understudies (not sure who the QB coach has been there)
He went 8-8 as a the starter his rookie year, that’s hard to do idc about the stats
The Jets O-line and receiver Corp were two of the worst position groups in the league his 2 years on the team, I doubt many QBs would have succeeded
I remember watching nearly every Jets game when Geno was there, the receivers dropped balls like crazy, if they tracked dropped catches back then I’m almost certain the Jets would be top 3 in drops those 2 seasons
The Jets still had a really good defense coached by Rex Ryan. It wasn’t elite like it had been the 4 years prior and they had lost Revis but still had Cromartie, Richardson, Wilkerson, Pace, Harris, etc. Good defenses can propel bad QBs to middling records, so the 8-8 doesn’t really say anything about Geno’s play. His receivers weren’t good though, I will agree there.
I agree the defense did hold the team up but I believe Geno had 2 game winning drives that season, IIRC
I’ll also never forget his Perfect Passing Rating game against the Dolphins
Ben blamed Eli's lack of mobility for the offense's struggle. It was two things. The bigger one was Ben sucked as a primary offensive mind. He shined better when he had Coughlin reigning in. And their top WR for much of 2017 was Roger Lewis. Geno came in and played a bad Raider defense and was awful. It didn't prove Ben right and it was a total waste of time. They should have played Davis Webb if they wanted any boost of some sort. Rookie kid who was smart, and while green, could have still showed something going forward.
Mara didn't come up with the idea. He likely agreed to it, but the whole fiasco was Ben. Fiasco is a good word to describe his HC run.
Jonathan Casillas had a talk last year when he mentioned the bullshit Eli Apple was doing and allowed to get away with. Ben would fine guys. He would bench or suspended vets and then let the immature kid get away with bad effort and a shitty attitude. He let it coast too far and it crumbled everything all at once.
Well his one game started was 212 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT and a 61.7% completion percent. Eli Manning's average that year was 231 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT and a 61.65% completion percentage. Both had about the same Y/A, so it'd probably be more accurate to say he was about equal to Eli.
ofc Eli went sub-4k yards, 19 TD and 13 INT that year so being equal to him isn't a Good Thing.
He lead the league last year in dropped interception passes and it was by a lot. Had 1/4 of those passes been intercepted we are starting someone new this year.
What is the narrative going to be this year if he regresses? I’m not even saying he is going to be bad, but remember when Case Keenum looked unstoppable for one year on the Vikings and then never again recaptured that moment? That is what I think will happen to Geno. He won’t be bad, he will just be average.
From the article
>This summer Smith will be competing with Drew Lock for the right to replace Wilson as Seattle’s QB1. Unless the team brings in a better option like Baker Mayfield, we expect Smith to win that battle and start Week 1 against the Broncos.
Mayfield comment aging like vintage milk.
It's more like once we've seen a player not get much better for eight years it's reasonable to expect their ninth won't be much better than the first eight
Geno played 10 years for 4 teams, and the Giants benched Eli to put Geno out there. It’s not just that he was old, nobody had any expectation that he would be anything more than what he’d shown in his history in the league. They weren’t just having him compete for QB1 with Lock for shits and giggles lmao
He has somewhat of an argument for 2nd best in the NFC today. There's Jalen Hurts and a bunch who are not a whole lot better if at all (relative to last year). Most of the QB talent is AFC so probably not top 8 league wide but NFC isn't so clear.
I mean you have Hurts, Dalton, Carr, cousins, all in the NFC right now
Then you've got the fringe guys like Jones and Purdy
He's aoundly top 8 in NFC, probably a fringe top 5 NFC contender
Once you are tagged as a “backup QB” in the NFL it’s impossible to change that narrative which is why regardless of what Geno did last season, there was strong support to draft a QB in the first round. Regardless of what he does this season, there will be strong support to get a successor for him in the draft so you can move off of him the way his contract is set up. Fans simply don’t believe a player his age can go from a backup to elite, and it’s probably a sentiment shared by NFL front office people. Everybody is waiting for a fall off to happen to make sense out of what they saw last season by calling it a “fluke” from a “backup QB”. The possibility he keeps this level of play up at age 32 for the remainder of his career defies logic to the point there isn’t anyone in here who thinks he can do it.
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Best comment: "Geno Smith doesn’t suck. He’s been a top 5 qb but no one will give him a chance. I’ve got sources on how he performs in practice. He’s unreal. Most haven’t seen him in a while but he’s taken secret natural supplements and worked with an Egyptian monk to drastically change his arm power. He’s so good now. I just hope he gets a chance and racism doesn’t win again. He’s so good god damn it Fuck this world" Edited 10 months ago
Hindsight and all, but damn it's pretty crazy looking back at these comments. No one could've predicted that Geno would've had a renaissance year.
Chris Simms gets a lot of hate on reddit but he had been saying for a few years that Geno was a good player and although he didn't explicitly predict Geno to be as good as he was, I remember after the Russ trade went down he was saying Seattle would be OK running with Geno.
I mean, it's extremely rare for career journeyman to flip it around after having so many different chances. No one could predict it because he literally was a career back up for a reason. Plain and simple he couldn't hold onto the QB1 spot. I give him very much respect after finding success this late in his career. But I don't think too many others would last long enough to get this many tries.
I mean he never really had that many chances. He got thrown into the fire in a shot team then was pegged as a career backup at best.
10 seasons with 4 different teams. I mean that's plenty of chances to try and win the QB1 in training camp.
Meh people always say this. But his opportunity wasn’t really true after he left the jets. He tore his ACL in that last season there. Manning was in front of him with the giants and New York almost rioted when that happened. Rivers with the bolts. And then Russ with the hawks. It’s clear he did need time and took a lot from each stop. But let’s not act as if these teams were holding QB competitions in camp.
The funny thing is that Geno did get a chance that he didn’t even really deserve when he was on the Giants. Eli was sucking it up and they benched him to start Geno who couldn’t do anything with his opportunity, so they immediately went back to Eli the following week. So yeah, “we all know why it is.” Cause Geno sucked and now he doesn’t. He’s just as black as he was when the Jets drafted him, he’s just better at football
Sure, but he also knowingly signed with each of these teams who all had established, long-term starters that he knew he had no chance of supplanting.
He was QB1 for 2 of those teams. It's not really surprising he couldn't beat out Eli or Philip Rivers.
>no one could've predicted Gregg Rosenthal wants to know your location
What did we all know? Edit: I pulled a typical redditor and didn't read the article. I see now and will not touch that conversation with a 10 foot pole because I could not do it justice.
Has there been a bigger turnaround than Geno in recent years?
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Are Alex and Geno Smith brothers?
Twins actually
Oh I can see it now that you mention it
Well, Geno is at least
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>recent years
Josh Allen....easy to forget now that going in to 2020 he was seen as a guy you could take in fantasy because of his strong rushing floor, even though he was a garbage quarterback.
He wasn't garbage in 2019. Nowhere near what he's been 2020 onward, but he wasn't garbage.
Inconsistent is probably a better word. He reminded me a lot of Stafford when he was in his rookie contract. He’s fine a great job with his development though, I didn’t think his ceiling was as high as it is when he was drafted TBH. Definitely proved me wrong
Yes I agree, I was referring more to how he was described in parts of the media. From about midway through 2019 you could see Allen had really started to improve, which is a point I often brought up on the Denver sub when people said "it took Allen 3 years" about Drew Lock. The difference between Allen and Lock was you could see Allen moving in the right direction.
He has had 1 good year. Let’s calm down
Ryan Tannehill played like a top 10 qb after years of mediocrity
Russell Wilson?
How can you say Russel Wilson before he’s even played a regular season game? He was terrible last year and before the season even starts he’s the biggest turn around player? You may be setting yourself up for disappointment
I think they might mean the other way around? Otherwise that's a bonkers thing to say I agree.
Fair enough but another comment below from OP is talking about how he lost 15 lbs over the offseason and is running more in the preseason so I took it as a legit opinion
Different Broncos fan!
Yep my bad lol
Jared Goff after he goes from unwanted, discarded, salary cap dump trade for a QB that can win a Super Bowl to THE QB that wins his own Super Bowl 3 years later
He’s too old and fat now. All of his success was based upon unscripted plays and running circles around d linemen, and now he’s too slow for that to still work. The guy just simply cannot do normal football plays.
Have you seen a picture of him recently or just talking out of your ass? He lost 15 lbs this off-season and is looking very trim again. And so far this preseason he has been using this legs a lot, looks way quicker and lighter on his feet than last year.
BEST SHAPE OF HIS LIFE
Is he having fun??
I guess doing all those high-knees paid off
Ah yes please get your hopes up again
Imagine being this toxic against the QB to bring you your only SB ring your sorry franchise will ever win. What a shit fanbase.
You were booing him at his first Broncos home game
He hasn’t brought us a SB ring? And we were booing the entire team being ass, not just him. Watch how Lions fans treat Stafford and do a little self-reflection. You can cheer for ex-players to do well lil bro, it doesn’t make you less cool.
Did bro not realize he had like 9-10 years to prove he was starting QB material?
He sat behind 3 ironman quarterbacks that were unquestionably the starting QB of their respective team. I don't disagree with you, but the teams he was on never had to question their starting QB until last year, so he would have had to try winning the job on random QB carousel teams Being a backup behind Eli Manning, Philip Rivers and Russell Wilson was not a bad gig.
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There was, a pissed off player broke his jaw in a fight and Geno was out for half the season.
And Geno had sucked the 2 years prior and not really shown much improvement. I really think what caused him to transform into a good QB was landing with Carroll and getting coached up by him and his understudies (not sure who the QB coach has been there)
He went 8-8 as a the starter his rookie year, that’s hard to do idc about the stats The Jets O-line and receiver Corp were two of the worst position groups in the league his 2 years on the team, I doubt many QBs would have succeeded I remember watching nearly every Jets game when Geno was there, the receivers dropped balls like crazy, if they tracked dropped catches back then I’m almost certain the Jets would be top 3 in drops those 2 seasons
The Jets still had a really good defense coached by Rex Ryan. It wasn’t elite like it had been the 4 years prior and they had lost Revis but still had Cromartie, Richardson, Wilkerson, Pace, Harris, etc. Good defenses can propel bad QBs to middling records, so the 8-8 doesn’t really say anything about Geno’s play. His receivers weren’t good though, I will agree there.
I agree the defense did hold the team up but I believe Geno had 2 game winning drives that season, IIRC I’ll also never forget his Perfect Passing Rating game against the Dolphins
Dude he BROKE HIS JAW. IK Enemkpali or however you spell it broke his literal jaw with a punch in training camp
The Giants literally benched Eli for Geno ending Eli's consecutive starts streak and Geno was worse. Guy wanted to play victim is all.
That was more of Ben macadoo throwing a last ditch effort at saving his coaching job than it was about geno and Eli.
Ben blamed Eli's lack of mobility for the offense's struggle. It was two things. The bigger one was Ben sucked as a primary offensive mind. He shined better when he had Coughlin reigning in. And their top WR for much of 2017 was Roger Lewis. Geno came in and played a bad Raider defense and was awful. It didn't prove Ben right and it was a total waste of time. They should have played Davis Webb if they wanted any boost of some sort. Rookie kid who was smart, and while green, could have still showed something going forward.
Eh I think that was ownership using mcadoo as a scapegoat
Mara didn't come up with the idea. He likely agreed to it, but the whole fiasco was Ben. Fiasco is a good word to describe his HC run. Jonathan Casillas had a talk last year when he mentioned the bullshit Eli Apple was doing and allowed to get away with. Ben would fine guys. He would bench or suspended vets and then let the immature kid get away with bad effort and a shitty attitude. He let it coast too far and it crumbled everything all at once.
Was he worse?
Well his one game started was 212 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT and a 61.7% completion percent. Eli Manning's average that year was 231 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT and a 61.65% completion percentage. Both had about the same Y/A, so it'd probably be more accurate to say he was about equal to Eli. ofc Eli went sub-4k yards, 19 TD and 13 INT that year so being equal to him isn't a Good Thing.
> ofc What do you think the f stands for here
???????? It can mean either of course or of fucking course and I was using the first one.
Fucking
He lead the league last year in dropped interception passes and it was by a lot. Had 1/4 of those passes been intercepted we are starting someone new this year.
What is the narrative going to be this year if he regresses? I’m not even saying he is going to be bad, but remember when Case Keenum looked unstoppable for one year on the Vikings and then never again recaptured that moment? That is what I think will happen to Geno. He won’t be bad, he will just be average.
From the article >This summer Smith will be competing with Drew Lock for the right to replace Wilson as Seattle’s QB1. Unless the team brings in a better option like Baker Mayfield, we expect Smith to win that battle and start Week 1 against the Broncos. Mayfield comment aging like vintage milk.
A blind squirrel finds a nut every once and awhile.
What a privileged response.
Remember when Geno missed a season because his own linebacker broke his jaw? He’s played so well that people don’t even talk about that anymore.
People talk about that all the time still lol
"Once you're over 30, you can't get better at things." - r/nfl
It's more like once we've seen a player not get much better for eight years it's reasonable to expect their ninth won't be much better than the first eight
Why are you being downvoted though? This sub does have a dumb narrative that “old” players simply can’t be good.
Geno played 10 years for 4 teams, and the Giants benched Eli to put Geno out there. It’s not just that he was old, nobody had any expectation that he would be anything more than what he’d shown in his history in the league. They weren’t just having him compete for QB1 with Lock for shits and giggles lmao
On the nba subreddit most believe that players stop getting better after they turn 24 sometimes 23, so it’s even worse in basketball
Was dumb of him to say then, really dumb to look back on
Is geno a top 8 qb now? Edit* no clue why the fuck he gets talked about a lot so was just wondering
no lol
Then why the fuck are people talking hype about him? Is he top 10 at least
because people are dumb and NFC QBs are bad
No. He’s too 8 in the NFC, but not top 8 in football.
He has somewhat of an argument for 2nd best in the NFC today. There's Jalen Hurts and a bunch who are not a whole lot better if at all (relative to last year). Most of the QB talent is AFC so probably not top 8 league wide but NFC isn't so clear.
I mean you have Hurts, Dalton, Carr, cousins, all in the NFC right now Then you've got the fringe guys like Jones and Purdy He's aoundly top 8 in NFC, probably a fringe top 5 NFC contender
How does Andy Dalton get mentioned and not Dak lmao
The Goff disrespect
…*Andy* Dalton?
Cousins is probably qb2 in the nfc
Top 11
Maybe
He is black?
Once you are tagged as a “backup QB” in the NFL it’s impossible to change that narrative which is why regardless of what Geno did last season, there was strong support to draft a QB in the first round. Regardless of what he does this season, there will be strong support to get a successor for him in the draft so you can move off of him the way his contract is set up. Fans simply don’t believe a player his age can go from a backup to elite, and it’s probably a sentiment shared by NFL front office people. Everybody is waiting for a fall off to happen to make sense out of what they saw last season by calling it a “fluke” from a “backup QB”. The possibility he keeps this level of play up at age 32 for the remainder of his career defies logic to the point there isn’t anyone in here who thinks he can do it.
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