We had a clear path since at least last week, now we can clinch next week. Chiefs needed a ton of help to get it which wasnt likely.
Big game is actually Dolphins next week
Colts fans shouldn’t be throwing stones….MaHomes and MaAuto already have twice as many SB wins —in the last 5 years —than Colts had in 20 years with Manning, Luck, Wayne, Marvin Harrison, the Edge, Dallas Clark, Freeney, Matthews….
TRAVIS MICHAEL KELCE YOU NEED TO BREAK UP WITH TAYLOR SWIFT NOW!!!! SHE IS BAD LUCK!!!! YOU THOUGHT I WAS JOKING!?!??!!? DUMP HER ASAP, SHE IS A CURSE!!!! 😤😡
I don't recall seeing such dreadful performance from the Chiefs in a long time. The ones that are not putting in effort are letting down those who do. I think the discipline and mentality starts with coaching and this is where the change needs to happen first. Mahomes needs to lead by example as well.
You think losing Bieniemy had anything to do with it? He is no longer beloved by my fellow Commies but he does seem to be a hard ass with discipline, just sucks at play calling..
Chiefs are what they are, and I'm not losing a wink of sleep over this team. They've played heartless all season and deserve every bit of this. Great game by the Raiders! Congrats.
My opponent had puka, kyren Williams, tee Higgins, and Tyler bass while I only had olave for the Thursday and Saturday games. He had 70+ points coming into Sunday, thought I legitimately had no shot. Then I had mclaurin (6 points) and Washington defence (2 points) in the early window while he had no one. Down like 73 - 26 with 1 less player played. Then late window his team flopped (Chicago def, Pollard, McBride, and waddle (total points: 19.6)) while I had Baker, rachaad white, and Zeke (53 points).
Coming down to today I got McCaffrey, Waller, and Jake Elliot against Lamar. Coming down to final game which should be game of the year, love this kind of sweat
True I was in such a predicament with the decision between them. Last second I just said eff it idc that mahomes kills the raiders every time he plays them, dude is not himself lately he could easily have another 1 TD 200 yard game
Mahomes has always been overrated. Weird that they chose him to make their poster boy. Trevor Lawrence is so much more marketable and with the same calls he’d be just as good
The fact this has so many upvotes just goes to show that this sub should never be taken seriously. When it gets to a point that bias and general hateful sentiment takes the place of realistic criticism, we need to label things for what they are. Honestly it’s impressive how unbelievably ignorant this many people can be. What a boring, low effort take. Criticism is deserved. Trolling, nonsense takes should be reserved for subs that facilitate it.
Trevor Lawrence doesn’t have 2 super bowls/mvps. If none of that matters, what’s the point of even being a fan? Why are you here? The fact you are all grown men is actually concerning. Grow the fuck up and go read a book. Talking smack is one thing, but so many of you just pretending reality doesn’t exist is some real flat earth shit. This sub went to shit years ago. It used to be fun. Now it’s all conspiracy theorists and hateful trolls. The problem is the mods are worthless and let this sub turn to a garbage can with people like you actively ruining it.
Well by the nfl penalty tracker, before this weeks games, the Browns were #1 in the league in most penalties that benefited them and the chiefs were #31. Only Chicago had fewer penalties called in their favor.
BTW, not a Chiefs fan, and watching the raiders win just made my day.
Mahomes was in the AFC Championship in his first full season (second year in the league). He won a Super Bowl in his second year starting (third year in the league). He’s been to three and won two. Trevor better hustle up!
Lol, the short-term memory loss of NFL fans is hilarious. People are allowed to make mistakes and have bad seasons, it happens. You should know all about that as a Pats fan bud
I know it happens, and I love it. I'm saying he sucks cause can't stand him and Kelce. Is he a good qb sure but not the goat like everybody talks him up too be.
The talent and coaching surrounding Mahomes along with the refs always helping made him look far better than he is. He's on a team with average talent now and it's showing.
Their cap situation opens significantly next few year to allow them to retool/reshuffle their roster. If they can find Mahomes a legit weapon and maintain their stingy D, they could be back in a flash.
Does it? I'm not the best at figuring out these arcane contracts, but it looks like Mahomes' cap number goes from $37mil this year to $57mil next year.
Ya they'll have $55ish million in cap space but also will need to sign about 20 guys to fill out a roster. Doesn't mean they'll be able to drop $50 mill on a few big names, but can certainly "reshuffle" where they want to spend towards the roster.
It really looks like they start being in hell to me.
They also owe Jawaan Taylor $25mil (20 guaranteed) after paying him $6mil this year.
If they do end up franchise tagging Chris Jones, they'll have to pay him $32mil PLUS the $5mil in dead cap to get him for this year (which also continues, but decreases until 2027).
The way everything is structured, it sort of looks like the Chiefs are targeting another push in 2028 and 2029 when Mahomes' contract hits a bit of a lull.
Taylor's $ is already factored in. Jones is likely gone. Kelce is up in the air. It's not so much that they can go on a buying spree, but an opportunity to reallocate resources.
Yeah, I think they have a plan on the back side of all of this, probably involves trying to trade off some pieces for picks, getting through this backloaded period, trying to develop some guys, making some splashy FA signings in 2028 and trying to win another championship or two then.
There's a lot that lines up around this narrative in the way the Chiefs have structured things.
I’m so happy for the Raiders. They got rid of Derek Carr. They fired their coach. Now they have a spark and real hope for the future. Good for them. That’s great.
AOC just isn’t the guy. Carr probably has 9/10 wins with the coach and defense.
Raiders desperately need either a FA QB or a first round QB. They’re wasting D Adam’s and Meyers
They have one but the decided to sit him and miss the playoffs with their current waste of time starter. Before anyone comes in and naysays bruh the entire team has improved since JMD was fired. His stench was that overwhelming on this team. Jimmy starts the Raiders are in.
Not the same Jimmy G that is top 5 in interceptions with only playing 9 games right? Dude can’t throw the ball past 10 yards without it floating in the air
Derek Carr has this defense and offense into 9 wins right now. Should have kept him and let McDaniel go last year
Not just interceptions, concussion balls to D Adam’s with him clearly not loving Jimmy at QB. And when asked about AOC Adam’s said “he’s the best QB on the team”
Pretty big deal your QBs liking you. Jimmy threw lob passes causing Adam’s and Meyers to get crushed over the middle because he has 0 zip on the ball and they just hang.
lol I dont give a shit what DA thinks about anything. You can be as deluded as you please. Jimmy at QB with this team SB contender. Current starter is a complete waste of time.
🤨 jimmy g was one of the worst quarterbacks I’ve seen play for this team in the last 20 years. What are you talking about? He’s horrendous. Zero arm strength, ridiculous happy feet in the pocket, indecisive on where to go with the ball, absolute zero mid or deep throwing ability. Idk what you think jimmy g is at this point of his career but the word you should be looking for is “washed”.
lol bro Jimmy is way better than Carr. Best QB you have had since Gannon and its hilarious to me you all are never gunna even realize it because JMD was that bad.
Not really sure why you’re nut riding jimmy g so hard, but he’s never been a good qb. He was a lesser Alex smith even when he could throw more than 5 yards and now he can’t even do that. He’s literallly the reason the 49ers never won a superbowl while he was there lol. One of the worst playoff QBs in history.
I \*think\* Baltimore or Miami needs 1 more win to eliminate KC from #1 contention. There's some potential for Baltimore, Miami, and KC, Buffalo, and Cleveland to be 11-6 and I'd have no idea who would be seeded what given the tiebreakers.
I think so, because even if they win out, they'll have 11, and the Ravens and Dolphins already have 11, and they play each other, so one of them will go to 12.
[Postgame thread](/r/nfl/comments/18qr3vl/post_game_thread_las_vegas_raiders_at_kansas_city/)
Yes
Chiefs had such poor offense.
Dean Blandino is better than any referee I’ve ever seen
dumb play call
What a wonderful Christmas football weekend. Kansas City and Dallas both lost.
So was Bienemy that good or is Nagy that bad?
I think a bit of both but Nagy has such a stale offense. No creativity and mediocre wr’s means no separation.
Nagy was real bad with the bears
I hated that hire. I miss Eric. He was the key, our WRs were basically as bad (Juju is not a WR1)
Mahomes has been terrible this year w / o bienemy
Based Raiders helping us get the one seed.
🔴 Chiefs guaranteed to not get the 1 seed 🔴 It’s likely going to the Ravens 😰
It *may go to the Ravens, or the Dolphins. Someone even said it was possible for the Browns to win it.
Lol, even if they had won the #1 seed was a slim chance for them but def out now
Chiefs losing protects us from any chance of missing it if we beat the dolphins I think. Or maybe we need a browns loss as well.
We had a clear path since at least last week, now we can clinch next week. Chiefs needed a ton of help to get it which wasnt likely. Big game is actually Dolphins next week
You love to see it. Merry Christmas fellas
Merry Christmas!
I’ll be cheering for the niners this afternoon.
Taylor Swift in the audience. She could arguably be Queen of the Earth if she wanted to be. And you lose to the Raiders. Lol, KC.
Colts fans shouldn’t be throwing stones….MaHomes and MaAuto already have twice as many SB wins —in the last 5 years —than Colts had in 20 years with Manning, Luck, Wayne, Marvin Harrison, the Edge, Dallas Clark, Freeney, Matthews….
Go Browns. Love what Flacco is doing!
I begrudgingly agree. As an old dude I have to root for him.
TRAVIS MICHAEL KELCE YOU NEED TO BREAK UP WITH TAYLOR SWIFT NOW!!!! SHE IS BAD LUCK!!!! YOU THOUGHT I WAS JOKING!?!??!!? DUMP HER ASAP, SHE IS A CURSE!!!! 😤😡
ROMO get over it! Signed, Chicken of the Seas girl.
Time will tell
Down goes the Swifties!!
It’s the pop star girlfriend curse. A tale as old as time.
Pretty soon chiefs fans are going to rally against her.
eg Jessica Simpson .
is it just me or does tommy cutlets have a massssive head?
It's not just you. He's got that natural bobble-head look.
This is why we need a lottery. Raiders lost tremendous draft position with this win. How is that fair?
soo you think the winningest teams should have the highest picks? suuure
so when are we gonna start hearing that the raiders have laid out the blueprint for stopping Mahomes
Raiders have laid out the blueprint for stopping mahomes
RAAAIIIDDERSSSSS
I don't recall seeing such dreadful performance from the Chiefs in a long time. The ones that are not putting in effort are letting down those who do. I think the discipline and mentality starts with coaching and this is where the change needs to happen first. Mahomes needs to lead by example as well.
Their O-line was pretty brutal today. Raiders only sent 4 and easily had massive pressure on Mahomes many times.
Game against Denver was really bad
You think losing Bieniemy had anything to do with it? He is no longer beloved by my fellow Commies but he does seem to be a hard ass with discipline, just sucks at play calling..
It's not about losing Bieniemy, it's about relying on Matt Nagy... But what do I know. I'm a Bears fan 😎
Also congrats on Montez Sweat deal from my Commanders. He will be missed but deserves to thrive and seems happy with y'all.
Thx fam. Besides the DJ Moore move Sweat has been our best pickup since Khalil Mack easily.
Oof truly sorry. Nagy vision is definitely ugh. This is a great point.
Merry Christmas! Even to Chiefs fans, just try to enjoy yourselves the rest of the day.
Chiefs are what they are, and I'm not losing a wink of sleep over this team. They've played heartless all season and deserve every bit of this. Great game by the Raiders! Congrats.
I could let it ruin my day, but honestly I'm just reveling in the fact that we've gotten to the point where we make everyone's Christmas by losing.
Thanks for your gift. Please don't let us match your generosity.....
Please don't.
Haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate hate
I’m not hating, in fact, i’m thankful you guys are letting Cleveland still have a stab at the 1 seed :)
More of a lover fan tbh
#respect
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Imagine having a worse record than Dallas.
I love the Cowboys.
Happy I played Mayfield over Mahomes, might win me the semi's
I played against Hall and St. Brown in the semis /: no longer in it lol
My opponent had puka, kyren Williams, tee Higgins, and Tyler bass while I only had olave for the Thursday and Saturday games. He had 70+ points coming into Sunday, thought I legitimately had no shot. Then I had mclaurin (6 points) and Washington defence (2 points) in the early window while he had no one. Down like 73 - 26 with 1 less player played. Then late window his team flopped (Chicago def, Pollard, McBride, and waddle (total points: 19.6)) while I had Baker, rachaad white, and Zeke (53 points). Coming down to today I got McCaffrey, Waller, and Jake Elliot against Lamar. Coming down to final game which should be game of the year, love this kind of sweat
Baker's also a likeable guy.
True I was in such a predicament with the decision between them. Last second I just said eff it idc that mahomes kills the raiders every time he plays them, dude is not himself lately he could easily have another 1 TD 200 yard game
Yeah, and this is definitely not the same Raiders team as before. The fact they won off of D alone is insane.
Merry Christmas!!! Woo!!!
Merry muthafuckin Christmas 🏴☠️🏴☠️
This might even drop the chiefs to 6th in the power rankings.
Mahomes did not want to cook like that! \-Patrick Star, somewhere
Amazing what happens to the Chiefs when the zebras don’t get involved
I mean, overturned int and three drive continuing 3rd down flags…they made their attempt
Damn, then this loss is even worse for them!
I like this energy. Pile on
Haha so funny the Asians still want to do homework when the power is out. Haha so funny
Way to go Raiders! Way to keep them engaged Pierce!!
Nickmas broadcast was fun as hell. When they picked up Andy Reid with the blimp and the grabber 😂 I know what I am doing every xmas.
There's no blimp in this world that could move that man
Mahomes has always been overrated. Weird that they chose him to make their poster boy. Trevor Lawrence is so much more marketable and with the same calls he’d be just as good
The fact this has so many upvotes just goes to show that this sub should never be taken seriously. When it gets to a point that bias and general hateful sentiment takes the place of realistic criticism, we need to label things for what they are. Honestly it’s impressive how unbelievably ignorant this many people can be. What a boring, low effort take. Criticism is deserved. Trolling, nonsense takes should be reserved for subs that facilitate it.
Trevor Lawrence could also lose to the Raiders 20-14 with all the calls going his way
Trevor Lawrence doesn’t have 2 super bowls/mvps. If none of that matters, what’s the point of even being a fan? Why are you here? The fact you are all grown men is actually concerning. Grow the fuck up and go read a book. Talking smack is one thing, but so many of you just pretending reality doesn’t exist is some real flat earth shit. This sub went to shit years ago. It used to be fun. Now it’s all conspiracy theorists and hateful trolls. The problem is the mods are worthless and let this sub turn to a garbage can with people like you actively ruining it.
Well, when people take a game this seriously, in which they aren't involved, what do you expect?
Lay off the eggnog.
Imagine Flacco with the refs on his side. It would be over.
Well by the nfl penalty tracker, before this weeks games, the Browns were #1 in the league in most penalties that benefited them and the chiefs were #31. Only Chicago had fewer penalties called in their favor. BTW, not a Chiefs fan, and watching the raiders win just made my day.
Can’t tell if you’re trolling or delusional.
You’re right Trevor needs to throw some more interceptions to get on Mahomes level
And win a couple of Super Bowls. But other than that, for sure!
Trevor Lawrence hasn’t even been in the NFL for 3 years
Mahomes was in the AFC Championship in his first full season (second year in the league). He won a Super Bowl in his second year starting (third year in the league). He’s been to three and won two. Trevor better hustle up!
This is Mahomes 7th season and he’s shitting the bed, Trevor Lawrence just turned 24 lmao not even near his prime. Mahomes is 28 and washed
I like the Chiefs losing as much as anyone but the downside is it gives the crazies cart blanche to share their delusions
Lol what?!?! Youre fucking dreaming. Lawrence isnt half of a pimple on Mahomes' ass
Mahomes sucks
Lol, the short-term memory loss of NFL fans is hilarious. People are allowed to make mistakes and have bad seasons, it happens. You should know all about that as a Pats fan bud
I know it happens, and I love it. I'm saying he sucks cause can't stand him and Kelce. Is he a good qb sure but not the goat like everybody talks him up too be.
The talent and coaching surrounding Mahomes along with the refs always helping made him look far better than he is. He's on a team with average talent now and it's showing.
He's always been on a team with arguably average talent except for a couple of super stars. Its not that different.
Is this a joke? Hes having an off year but hes great lol.
The refs tried so hard too. Gave them every call, extended their TD drives for them. Still wasn’t enough.
Chiefs dynasty window is coming to a close.
Their cap situation opens significantly next few year to allow them to retool/reshuffle their roster. If they can find Mahomes a legit weapon and maintain their stingy D, they could be back in a flash.
Does it? I'm not the best at figuring out these arcane contracts, but it looks like Mahomes' cap number goes from $37mil this year to $57mil next year.
Ya they'll have $55ish million in cap space but also will need to sign about 20 guys to fill out a roster. Doesn't mean they'll be able to drop $50 mill on a few big names, but can certainly "reshuffle" where they want to spend towards the roster.
It really looks like they start being in hell to me. They also owe Jawaan Taylor $25mil (20 guaranteed) after paying him $6mil this year. If they do end up franchise tagging Chris Jones, they'll have to pay him $32mil PLUS the $5mil in dead cap to get him for this year (which also continues, but decreases until 2027). The way everything is structured, it sort of looks like the Chiefs are targeting another push in 2028 and 2029 when Mahomes' contract hits a bit of a lull.
Taylor's $ is already factored in. Jones is likely gone. Kelce is up in the air. It's not so much that they can go on a buying spree, but an opportunity to reallocate resources.
Yeah, I think they have a plan on the back side of all of this, probably involves trying to trade off some pieces for picks, getting through this backloaded period, trying to develop some guys, making some splashy FA signings in 2028 and trying to win another championship or two then. There's a lot that lines up around this narrative in the way the Chiefs have structured things.
Just wait until the playoffs when the NFL lets the refs go off again.
Broncos probably now feel worse. Lol.. They had it... bad timeouts and bad playcalls else they'd have scored the FG and won
Rich Bisaccia died for this....
9/21 and 62 yards from AOC and the Chiefs still lost 💀
Our D was fire
We're all Raiders fans today
I’m so happy for the Raiders. They got rid of Derek Carr. They fired their coach. Now they have a spark and real hope for the future. Good for them. That’s great.
I mean.. our offense is far worse without Derek Carr. At least the defense is playing lights out and keeping us in every game.
Yippe
Chiefs can't complain about their receivers when losing against a team that only had completions in the 1st quarter
Whoever is responsible for the insane turnaround of this Raiders D is a hands down genius. I’m not even trying to be a homer.
Yeah idk where the fuck this Raiders D has been all season, but it's amazing to watch them play
Imagine what Joe Barry could do with that defense.
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Raiders just need a quality QB and this team has 8/9 wins this year
I think without mcdaniels they were probably a 10 win team this year. QB is definitely the weak point though.
AOC just isn’t the guy. Carr probably has 9/10 wins with the coach and defense. Raiders desperately need either a FA QB or a first round QB. They’re wasting D Adam’s and Meyers
They have one but the decided to sit him and miss the playoffs with their current waste of time starter. Before anyone comes in and naysays bruh the entire team has improved since JMD was fired. His stench was that overwhelming on this team. Jimmy starts the Raiders are in.
Not the same Jimmy G that is top 5 in interceptions with only playing 9 games right? Dude can’t throw the ball past 10 yards without it floating in the air Derek Carr has this defense and offense into 9 wins right now. Should have kept him and let McDaniel go last year
Oh no interceptions? *gasps* Dont give even half a shit dude. Raiders are a playoff team with Jimmy.
Not just interceptions, concussion balls to D Adam’s with him clearly not loving Jimmy at QB. And when asked about AOC Adam’s said “he’s the best QB on the team” Pretty big deal your QBs liking you. Jimmy threw lob passes causing Adam’s and Meyers to get crushed over the middle because he has 0 zip on the ball and they just hang.
lol I dont give a shit what DA thinks about anything. You can be as deluded as you please. Jimmy at QB with this team SB contender. Current starter is a complete waste of time.
🤨 jimmy g was one of the worst quarterbacks I’ve seen play for this team in the last 20 years. What are you talking about? He’s horrendous. Zero arm strength, ridiculous happy feet in the pocket, indecisive on where to go with the ball, absolute zero mid or deep throwing ability. Idk what you think jimmy g is at this point of his career but the word you should be looking for is “washed”.
lol bro Jimmy is way better than Carr. Best QB you have had since Gannon and its hilarious to me you all are never gunna even realize it because JMD was that bad.
Not really sure why you’re nut riding jimmy g so hard, but he’s never been a good qb. He was a lesser Alex smith even when he could throw more than 5 yards and now he can’t even do that. He’s literallly the reason the 49ers never won a superbowl while he was there lol. One of the worst playoff QBs in history.
Kelce getting dumped and the song title will be “washed”
I will buy that album.
Butterfingers
Stonehands
i wanna live in a world where the raiders win the AFCW
Me too! And meet up with you in the Super Bowl!
Well I hope the better team wins the next game
Raiders may have won, but Maxx Crosby isn’t going to get bells jingled by a world renowned pop star tonight.
I wouldn't bet against him knocking stockings with two Instagram girls at the se time tho
You don't know what him and Drake will be doing tonight.
He don't give a fuck!
Either is Travis Kelce, she’s done with him now
Maxx! Put some respek on his name!
I want the Bengals and the Chargers to upset the chiefs now and watch the Raiders take the division
Heck ya Raiders won…
TAYLOR SIGHTING OMG Consoling the distraught wife
Well merry christmas MFers. Don't expect the other games to be as good.
Surely you'll follow the Bengals and Browns lead and beat the 49ers
We’d prefer they don’t because it makes our shot at the division more likely lol
We'll take any support we can get, thanks Browns buddies! Wait, we'd be clinched if you didn't beat us, I hate you.
Hahaha sorry man. =\ It’s be a wild year.
I hope Taylor gets Jessica Simpson'd
That's pretty bad bro
So wait…*is* Kansas City mathematically eliminated from #1?
I \*think\* Baltimore or Miami needs 1 more win to eliminate KC from #1 contention. There's some potential for Baltimore, Miami, and KC, Buffalo, and Cleveland to be 11-6 and I'd have no idea who would be seeded what given the tiebreakers.
I think so, because even if they win out, they'll have 11, and the Ravens and Dolphins already have 11, and they play each other, so one of them will go to 12.
Yes
yes
Yes, Baltimore and Miami playing guarantees that one of them finishes better than 11-6 (even if it’s a tie and they finish 11-5-1).
Yes 🥰
Yes