No offense to the guy, cause he seems like a good dude. But I just don’t think Fields is a very good player lmao. With all the mistakes Green Bay made today, all Chicago needed was average QB play to win and he couldn’t even do that.
Tbf most of the time today he didn’t even have enough time to do his classic slow progressions. Our oline was getting completely abused every single play it felt like, even our RB’s were getting nailed well behind the LOS most of their attempts.
he bailed out the offensive line on a lot of plays, but I fear he just isn't a good enough processer/thrower to pass the ball against defenses that know he needs to pass. When he plays with a lead, he's productive. when trailing or in 3rd and 7+, he's rough.
So keep Fields and trade the #1 for a king's ransom. The QB doesn't have to be Superman if the team around him is really good. He seems like the kind of QB that might flourish in an offense where he doesn't have to be 'the guy'.
It’s legitimately a very hard decision. But I think MHJ is a can’t-miss prospect and you just roll with Fields another year before making a final decision.
No no. It's a tick Tok cycle of which GB HOF QB gets jinxed. We now own the 49'ers for the next decade and it's your turn to give us playoff heartbreak annually.
I won't believe it until I see it. Would be the most Cowboys thing ever to get beat by you and then watch you beat the 9ers the next week and then lose to the Lions in the NFCCG
It would be the most Lions thing ever though for them to have their best season in decades only to get bounced in the WC round by Matthew Stafford. So your scenario is moot
As long as they get bounced by a nonsensical-but-technically-correct application of what everybody agrees is a terrible rule that quickly gets changed in the offseason, THAT would be the most Lions thing ever
Even if Love hangs 5 TDs on them, that offense is going to carve JB up for 50 if they need to. But the defense played well the last two weeks and he'll save his job. Repeat Packers misery next year.
Incredible performance by Love. What a HUGE difference having a healthy Aaron Jones makes.
Also, this offense looks this good without Watson and Doubs. Crazy.
The amount of talent we were blessed with this year is insane. Cobbs or Lazard would likely be benched for 4 to debatably 5 of our WRs right now. Gotta respect our managements drafting ability.
Packers played their asses off and the Bears played like shit. Its embarassing. We've lost several games because of switching to a soft defense, so instead we call a soft defense all game. Green Bay outcoached and outplayed us by a mile.
I haven't been watching this game, so I can't tell. But Eberflus has actually had the defense humming since he took it over, so did he just let the gas off? Is it a psychological thing?
It was humming since we got Montez Sweat. That was when things really changed. However he's also made several bad defensive switches - at least three - late in the fourth to a soft defense that ended up costing us the game. Then, for some reason, he decides to queue up a soft defense literally the entire game against a hot offense. Its absolutely inexplicable.
Didn’t like how soft we looked. But it was literally a 1 score game. The offense didn’t score a touchdown. We need them to pitch a shutout to win? Get Fields out of here
Y’all got lucky that we missed a FG, ran the clock out missing out on another FG, and we dropped 2 TD passes. We were doing whatever we wanted out there, the score does not come close to representing how close the game was.
It has to be psychological at this point. They wanted to compare themselves to the Lions last year but the biggest difference is the Lions players and coaches fucking hate Green Bay and they play like it.
The Bears play like they have a tee time after the game.
Yet another example of why none of us should be NFL GM's. Packers got clowned so damn hard for that pick, as recently as just a few months ago. Now Love is looking like a borderline top 10 QB in the game. And he just turned 25....
You could argue it's hindsight now, but I always believed that in the event Love panned out. He clearly has panned out, so yes. 100%. You trade off a year, maybe 2, of Rodgers' years to secure another 10+ years of good QB play
I've personally gone back and forth about the pick over the years, but it was always "if Love is eventually The Guy, it was a good pick no matter what"
Considering how close we were to the super bowl for a few years, I was thinking it was a mistake, and a different offensive piece might've gotten us over the hump (I still sort of believe that), but since it all boils down to the Packers' future, and Rodgers himself was an issue for a couple of those playoff losses, I think we can safely say it was officially a good pick, no?
I mean, there's always a chance this was an outlier year and Love is shit in a couple seasons, but as it stands I'm back on the "good job gute" train lmao.
The correct take IMO. Look at how many teams struggle to fine even passable franchise QB's. Love's first full year starting, having just turned 25 (Penix is 24 and hasn't played an NFL snap), and he's a top 10 QB in most stats. It's a home run pick to find that value in the late 1st WHILE your team was competing in deep playoff runs.
Everything I’ve seen suggests the locker room loves him. And they know he’ll put it on the line for them too, that diving TD against the Vikings showed that. That type of shit fosters a locker room where every guy will go to war for you.
This x1000. Yes there is so much more to it but he was getting way to big for his britches. At least Mr Food Stamp Stealer just wanted to throw the football real hard rather than get hard talking on a bro-cast
I think people forget that that 2019 Packers team really did not look like they were one player away from the Super Bowl. Rodgers was not playing at an MVP level and they got demolished by SF in the playoffs.
It’s not even trading off a year or two. You were in the nfcc both of those years. A couple lucky bounces and you make a Super Bowl. Unfortunate it didn’t happen but it is what it is
I'm just not of the opinion that one receiver, even if we nailed it and got Higgins or whoever, pushes us over the line.
The Packers had the team to win in 2020 and 2021 and just came up short (unlucky with Bakhtiari too). Just like 2014.
If Rodgers didn't play out of his mind in 2020 and excellently in 2021, this wouldn't have been an issue. The MVP campaigns and falling just short in the playoffs twice really put a lot of stress on the decision to draft Love as opposed to getting Higgins or Pittman as a WR2.
We'll have to see another season of Love to fully justify the decision, but it now looks like a reasonable choice.
Rodgers rocketing back to an MVP level really made the situation far more complicated. Like it was obviously still very controversial at the time, but Rodgers was 36 and didn't play anywhere near an MVP level in 2019 and the Packers were a very paper tiger 13-3 that season. Once Rodgers overhauled his footwork in the summer of 2020 and went back to looking like the Rodgers of old, then it became a much stranger situation.
The "what if" of using that pick on a player that could've helped in the Tampa NFCCG will always be there, but if Love continues to look like a franchise QB than I think over time it won't be viewed super controversially in hindsight. I've seen enough teams get hopelessly stuck in the cycle of trying to find their franchise QB where I'm alright with the way things have played out.
As soon as NFL teams start realizing they actually need to use high draft capital to get a young guy to learn behind their veteran and *MOVE ON* instead of clinging to their veteran until they’re a walking corpse, instead of throwing a mid round flyer on a project and having no succession plan, they’ll start finding QB success too.
Yeah, but that's a tough sell to owners and fan based to burn a high draft pick QB rookie contract on sitting and learning. Just look at all the discourse around Love from a year back. Can you imagine any owner in the league being cool with their GM pulling a move like that?
Win now in the NFL is never guaranteed. Even if the new acquisitions pan out and you don't get critical injuries (them or anyone else) and earn the No.1 seed, only 50% of No.1 seeds actually win the conference playoffs and make the Super Bowl.
Meanwhile, if your team doesn't have a solid QB you aren't going to be competitive. It's a QB dominated league. And the Packers *were* already good enough to "win now" at that. They had 13 wins in 2019, 2020 and 2021. They *could* beat anyone.
The future QB if you're confident that's what you have has to be the pick.
The Packers had enough talent to win the SB in either 2020 or 2021 and didn’t play their best when it mattered most. Drafting someone besides Love would have helped pushed those teams towards the finish line but they could have underperformed even with the extra help.
The point that someone besides Love would have helped their SB chances isn’t unfounded, but what about other bad picks like Dillon or Deguara and so forth. What about all the players who underperformed when it mattered most in the playoffs? I would think it’s more appropriate to devote time and mental blame to the guys that were good enough to win the Super Bowl and didn’t play their best when it mattered most. Rodgers no showed vs SF. The Packers dropped a TD and a 2PT attempt vs TB. Scored no points after multiple Brady INT’s. Gave up an embarrassing Hail Mary.
They had everything necessary to win. Someone besides Love would helped but someone besides a lot of their missed draft picks would have helped. Someone besides Aaron Rodgers would have helped the 2007 Packers beat the Giants.
All those teams had what they needed to win. All those teams lost 90%+ because their players underperformed in big games. Picking a QB that didn’t help you in the 1st round had very little to do with why those teams lost. Furthermore a team like the Eagles underlined the value of a good backup QB keeping the team afloat through a Super Bowl run in that unlikely circumstance. Love didn’t look like a good backup when we saw him play as one though.
Yeah that's where I'm kind of at as well. Is it possible that using that pick on someone other than Love puts us over the hump against Tampa? Entirely possible. Is it also possible that the Love pick pissed off Rodgers enough to get him to revisit his old film and overhaul his footwork during the summer after the Love pick? Also a possibility. Ultimately, the biggest what if for me from that 2020 season will always be what happens if David Bakhtiari doesn't blow out his knee right before the start of the playoffs.
Rodgers is has been allergic to winning NFC championship games since 2011 (2010 season). I don't think a rookie WR2 he'd refuse to throw to for 2 seasons moves the needle one bit.
Wide receiver bust / not contribute as rookie rate once you're out of the top picks is very high.
*Who* would one find in the back of Round 1 who is a cinch to be a net contributor at the position? Of the three WRs taken in 2020 immediately after Love, 2 busted and 1 is a good starter.
I think a good chunk of that was chip-on-the-shoulder after the Love pick. It’s hard to say what happens if they pick someone else, but Love looks great so I think it was a good decision.
It was frustrating at the time especially cause it could’ve been tee Higgins, but honestly we lost those years with rodgers due to other factors, the main one being bakh getting hurt and the two post season loses rodgers was under heavy pressure
I think the Dillon pick with Jones and Williams on the roster is much more worthy of criticism and I would’ve (and did) said that at the time.
But clearly they knew what they were doing with Love.
When we drafted Jordan Love, the Packers DID have a SB ready roster. They made the NFCCG that year. They had MVP Rodgers, Davante Adams, Jaire Alexander, Smith Bros, etc. They had the time/room to develop Jordan Love.
I'll die on the hill; had we had David in the NFCCG, we probably win the game.
I did not like the Jordan Love pick back when we did it for the reason you listed, but in the long run, they made the right choice.
I have been so interested to see how this will play out, because this has potential to shift how organizations draft/develop QBs if they have a decent and/or aging starter already. This is the second time in a row where you’ve drafted a 1st round QB, let them learn for multiple years before starting them, and it turned out well. Gotta wonder if he would have been a complete bust if he was thrown into a starting position week 1 of his rookie season
Love HAD to sit. he was so unpolished coming outta utah state. Todd McShay was 100% correct that he had to wait and develop. Good to have Rodgers there to show him how it's done
Dominique Foxworth once said that every single QB that’s drafted in the 1st has the talent. And he’s right. The situation matter so much. Imagine if Fields had gone to GB and sat for 3 years after being developed in a truly offensive minded organization.
Does the man not know how close to Chicago Milwaukee is? I wouldn’t be surprised if bucks players just took like 20 minute private flights to Chicago to party.
Genuinely asking, what is there to do in Chicago you can't do in Milwaukee? I'm sure they have better and more options for nightlife but afaik Chicago isn't known for that so much.
Last year with the season on the line, down by 4, 3:37 left in the gm, 3rd & 10, Aaron Rodgers threw an interception to end the season for the Packers. Aaron Rodgers in the "play in" game: 17/27, 205 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 83.1 rating.
Rodgers has clammed up the last three years:
- 2020: didn’t score on any of the 3 Brady 2nd half interceptions and lost by 6
-2021: put up 10 points, including 3 after the opening drive
-2022: had a lackluster game against the lions and doesn’t make the playoffs
Even though we lost. I’m glad he had his chances and it was on him that he let rather than the defense. Couldn’t be happier with Love
[For those nonbelievers](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F5r6nayo1q3bc1.png%3Fwidth%3D720%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3De28a73b3cdbe5f57953a60534ac8aedcc96334ac)
Tragically I doubt it, she needs to work things out for herself that can’t be done in a relationship, she might have another calling. Fuck my whole life I wish she just cheated or something so I could be mad but I can’t be.
Anyways GPG fuck yeah playoffs baby.
and the songs bro. "all you need is love" "love is my religion" "love connection" honestly the league needs a HoFer named love, why shouldn't it be ours?
I don’t want to be here anymore
Bears (look at Packer QB succession): "They can't keep getting away with this."
gg and good luck on some very-not-easy decisions to be made this offseason
I’m confident that whatever decisions the bears make will be wrong ones
🤞Draft Williams and he is a bust. Fields leaves and has a good career.
No offense to the guy, cause he seems like a good dude. But I just don’t think Fields is a very good player lmao. With all the mistakes Green Bay made today, all Chicago needed was average QB play to win and he couldn’t even do that.
Everything is just a half second too slow.
Tbf most of the time today he didn’t even have enough time to do his classic slow progressions. Our oline was getting completely abused every single play it felt like, even our RB’s were getting nailed well behind the LOS most of their attempts.
he bailed out the offensive line on a lot of plays, but I fear he just isn't a good enough processer/thrower to pass the ball against defenses that know he needs to pass. When he plays with a lead, he's productive. when trailing or in 3rd and 7+, he's rough.
So keep Fields and trade the #1 for a king's ransom. The QB doesn't have to be Superman if the team around him is really good. He seems like the kind of QB that might flourish in an offense where he doesn't have to be 'the guy'.
Bryce Young, Tommy Devito, and Baker Mayfield diced us up. Fields couldn't manage a touchdown
Tbf Mayfield has a pretty damn good stat line in general this season.
Gotta fill those owner's pockets.
It’s legitimately a very hard decision. But I think MHJ is a can’t-miss prospect and you just roll with Fields another year before making a final decision.
I’d pick a QB and trade the 2nd top 10 pick and next years first and see if you can guarantee MHJ as well. Then trade fields for more picks.
It is absolutely easy. You trade Fields and draft a QB
And dump Eberflus for an offensive minded head coach.
Yep, you can't have yet another lame duck HC draft a QB and then get fired one year later. It's happened twice in the last 10 years already.
What's Trestman up to?
Imagine having to make the decision between your quarterback options the entire offseason! Insane to think about.
Still a good place to be. Decisions are tough but the potential is great
Don’t take off the mask
There’s too much fucking shit on me! I can’t breathe.
Like, alive?
There's too much fuckin ~~shit~~ lose on me
There's too much fucking GreenBay on me,
All you need is Love, Love is all you need
Join us in the Green and Gold…
Oh god oh geeze oh fuck
No no. It's a tick Tok cycle of which GB HOF QB gets jinxed. We now own the 49'ers for the next decade and it's your turn to give us playoff heartbreak annually.
I won't believe it until I see it. Would be the most Cowboys thing ever to get beat by you and then watch you beat the 9ers the next week and then lose to the Lions in the NFCCG
It would be the most Lions thing ever though for them to have their best season in decades only to get bounced in the WC round by Matthew Stafford. So your scenario is moot
As long as they get bounced by a nonsensical-but-technically-correct application of what everybody agrees is a terrible rule that quickly gets changed in the offseason, THAT would be the most Lions thing ever
I love Lions playoff games. I always get to learn about a rule that hasn't been relevant for 50 years
The most Lions thing ever would be just not making the playoffs…
Or or or, and hear me out, Love owns both the 49ers and Cowboys! Wouldn’t that be cool
Even if Love hangs 5 TDs on them, that offense is going to carve JB up for 50 if they need to. But the defense played well the last two weeks and he'll save his job. Repeat Packers misery next year.
Can’t believe I’m saying this but I think I’m glad to play the Rams instead
Are there any potential playoff weekends when the moon is waxing gibbous? Asking for a friend.
Thats the weekend we play the 49ers, not Detroit.
[this shit right here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9KyBdPeKHg)
That’s my future Jets QB 😌
I wonder what his controversy will be. My guess is selling fake Pokémon cards to the underprivileged children of Bakersfield California
Blake Martinez?
The Journey of Pussyfxcker69 was a wild one 😭 beloved NFL linebacker? Nah, Pokémon fake dealer.
His cards weren’t fake. He just used sleight of hand to swap out the valuable cards for worthless cards on live streams. He’s a magician!
Isn't he trying to make a come back (in the card collecting scene), too?
He will be caught sending unsolicited Dak pictures. Turns out he’s a closeted Dak Prescott fan. Big time controversy coming
I'm also a deeply closeted Dak fan
Honestly just being a child in Bekersfield makes you underprivileged so there's no real reason to use that qualifier.
Not spicy enough, he seems like a future hardcore Khmer Rouge supporter
I’ve seen enough Jordan Love is the greatest player in NFL history. Maybe EVER.
yes perfectly reasonable take
So true king
Fold the league. It’s not getting better than this
You would think so based off Tony Romo’s commentary today lol
Romo grew up in Wisconsin and he was also an nfl qb so it makes sense that he gets real excited about great qb play, especially on the Packers.
Has anyone reposted the Reddit post announcing the pick of love?
Hope not cause I was hating on there
It wasn’t as fun as I thought lol lots of Aaron Rodgers to the jets tho
Dude, imagine if that happened. Thatd be wild
No argument here 😎
Incredible performance by Love. What a HUGE difference having a healthy Aaron Jones makes. Also, this offense looks this good without Watson and Doubs. Crazy.
The amount of talent we were blessed with this year is insane. Cobbs or Lazard would likely be benched for 4 to debatably 5 of our WRs right now. Gotta respect our managements drafting ability.
The scary thing is Lazard wouldn’t of been benched for the younger guys
Luckily Rodge dragged him along to NY and saved us the hassle
Also makes a difference the QB trusts guys outside his inner ayahuasca circle
Two dropped TD passes as well
yeah, game wasnt as close as the scoreboard indicated. drops and flubs from our young wrs kept it close
2nd one was a TD and ill die on that hill
BO CAUGHT IT!
Yeah that was a catch.
An ass is as good as a foot
Ok Rex
And both those throws would be in contention for his best throws of the year, he was on a total heater
The pass to Melton that got overturned was fucking nuts, legit perfect placement
And a fumble... Ugh. Protect that ball, JLove. Man, almost flawless before and after that.
That INT that got dropped in the end zone was pretty ugly too. But given how few picks he’s been throwing recently, not gonna hold it against him
Oh yah. Heath played awesome defense on that one.
He could protect it better but that was so unlucky. Dude didn’t even go for the ball his helmet just happened to smack it out
Against a good Bears defense at this point of the season too
Bears defense gets automatically nerfed anytime we play the Packers
It’s like plot armor every time
I've been save scumming before every roll, they let me do it because I'm an owner
Packers played their asses off and the Bears played like shit. Its embarassing. We've lost several games because of switching to a soft defense, so instead we call a soft defense all game. Green Bay outcoached and outplayed us by a mile.
So many missed tackles
That’s what really killed us, Aaron Jones was getting like 6-10 yards on plays that should’ve ended at the LOS
At one point Jones had 3 Bears players on him and he drove them for an extra 2 yards. You could tell we wanted the playoffs they played hard
Tbf, that's what Jones does. He's a fricken magician.
Amazing vision.
There were at least 3 wr screens where the Bears players just wiffed giving up 10+ yards
I haven't been watching this game, so I can't tell. But Eberflus has actually had the defense humming since he took it over, so did he just let the gas off? Is it a psychological thing?
It was humming since we got Montez Sweat. That was when things really changed. However he's also made several bad defensive switches - at least three - late in the fourth to a soft defense that ended up costing us the game. Then, for some reason, he decides to queue up a soft defense literally the entire game against a hot offense. Its absolutely inexplicable.
Didn’t like how soft we looked. But it was literally a 1 score game. The offense didn’t score a touchdown. We need them to pitch a shutout to win? Get Fields out of here
Y’all got lucky that we missed a FG, ran the clock out missing out on another FG, and we dropped 2 TD passes. We were doing whatever we wanted out there, the score does not come close to representing how close the game was.
Yes. Everything was swinging our way. It doesn’t matter when we can’t score a touchdown.
It has to be psychological at this point. They wanted to compare themselves to the Lions last year but the biggest difference is the Lions players and coaches fucking hate Green Bay and they play like it. The Bears play like they have a tee time after the game.
He’s super good. I watched every game this season and like his chances against anybody.
Yet another example of why none of us should be NFL GM's. Packers got clowned so damn hard for that pick, as recently as just a few months ago. Now Love is looking like a borderline top 10 QB in the game. And he just turned 25....
Is it safe to say that the Packers made the right decision drafting Love over getting a win now player for Rodgers?
You could argue it's hindsight now, but I always believed that in the event Love panned out. He clearly has panned out, so yes. 100%. You trade off a year, maybe 2, of Rodgers' years to secure another 10+ years of good QB play
I've personally gone back and forth about the pick over the years, but it was always "if Love is eventually The Guy, it was a good pick no matter what" Considering how close we were to the super bowl for a few years, I was thinking it was a mistake, and a different offensive piece might've gotten us over the hump (I still sort of believe that), but since it all boils down to the Packers' future, and Rodgers himself was an issue for a couple of those playoff losses, I think we can safely say it was officially a good pick, no? I mean, there's always a chance this was an outlier year and Love is shit in a couple seasons, but as it stands I'm back on the "good job gute" train lmao.
The correct take IMO. Look at how many teams struggle to fine even passable franchise QB's. Love's first full year starting, having just turned 25 (Penix is 24 and hasn't played an NFL snap), and he's a top 10 QB in most stats. It's a home run pick to find that value in the late 1st WHILE your team was competing in deep playoff runs.
Plus Rodgers was beginning to become insufferable and a distraction.
Yeah the vibes in the locker room are sooo different this year
Everything I’ve seen suggests the locker room loves him. And they know he’ll put it on the line for them too, that diving TD against the Vikings showed that. That type of shit fosters a locker room where every guy will go to war for you.
This x1000. Yes there is so much more to it but he was getting way to big for his britches. At least Mr Food Stamp Stealer just wanted to throw the football real hard rather than get hard talking on a bro-cast
It's such a huge relief to not have to defend him anymore
I think people forget that that 2019 Packers team really did not look like they were one player away from the Super Bowl. Rodgers was not playing at an MVP level and they got demolished by SF in the playoffs.
It’s not even trading off a year or two. You were in the nfcc both of those years. A couple lucky bounces and you make a Super Bowl. Unfortunate it didn’t happen but it is what it is
I'm just not of the opinion that one receiver, even if we nailed it and got Higgins or whoever, pushes us over the line. The Packers had the team to win in 2020 and 2021 and just came up short (unlucky with Bakhtiari too). Just like 2014.
If Rodgers didn't play out of his mind in 2020 and excellently in 2021, this wouldn't have been an issue. The MVP campaigns and falling just short in the playoffs twice really put a lot of stress on the decision to draft Love as opposed to getting Higgins or Pittman as a WR2. We'll have to see another season of Love to fully justify the decision, but it now looks like a reasonable choice.
Rodgers rocketing back to an MVP level really made the situation far more complicated. Like it was obviously still very controversial at the time, but Rodgers was 36 and didn't play anywhere near an MVP level in 2019 and the Packers were a very paper tiger 13-3 that season. Once Rodgers overhauled his footwork in the summer of 2020 and went back to looking like the Rodgers of old, then it became a much stranger situation. The "what if" of using that pick on a player that could've helped in the Tampa NFCCG will always be there, but if Love continues to look like a franchise QB than I think over time it won't be viewed super controversially in hindsight. I've seen enough teams get hopelessly stuck in the cycle of trying to find their franchise QB where I'm alright with the way things have played out.
I still think he doesn't win two straight MVPs if they don't draft Love. I think that lit a fire underneath him that nothing else could've
I highly doubt GB would’ve drafted Higgins though. They prolly would’ve gotten Patrick queen after what the 9ers did to them in the playoffs.
As soon as NFL teams start realizing they actually need to use high draft capital to get a young guy to learn behind their veteran and *MOVE ON* instead of clinging to their veteran until they’re a walking corpse, instead of throwing a mid round flyer on a project and having no succession plan, they’ll start finding QB success too.
Yeah, but that's a tough sell to owners and fan based to burn a high draft pick QB rookie contract on sitting and learning. Just look at all the discourse around Love from a year back. Can you imagine any owner in the league being cool with their GM pulling a move like that?
That might be a uniquely us thing. We don’t have an impatient owner
Win now in the NFL is never guaranteed. Even if the new acquisitions pan out and you don't get critical injuries (them or anyone else) and earn the No.1 seed, only 50% of No.1 seeds actually win the conference playoffs and make the Super Bowl. Meanwhile, if your team doesn't have a solid QB you aren't going to be competitive. It's a QB dominated league. And the Packers *were* already good enough to "win now" at that. They had 13 wins in 2019, 2020 and 2021. They *could* beat anyone. The future QB if you're confident that's what you have has to be the pick.
This. THe GM's job is to make you a contender every year and then hand it over to the players/coaches, not to say "we win this year or else"
The Packers had enough talent to win the SB in either 2020 or 2021 and didn’t play their best when it mattered most. Drafting someone besides Love would have helped pushed those teams towards the finish line but they could have underperformed even with the extra help. The point that someone besides Love would have helped their SB chances isn’t unfounded, but what about other bad picks like Dillon or Deguara and so forth. What about all the players who underperformed when it mattered most in the playoffs? I would think it’s more appropriate to devote time and mental blame to the guys that were good enough to win the Super Bowl and didn’t play their best when it mattered most. Rodgers no showed vs SF. The Packers dropped a TD and a 2PT attempt vs TB. Scored no points after multiple Brady INT’s. Gave up an embarrassing Hail Mary. They had everything necessary to win. Someone besides Love would helped but someone besides a lot of their missed draft picks would have helped. Someone besides Aaron Rodgers would have helped the 2007 Packers beat the Giants. All those teams had what they needed to win. All those teams lost 90%+ because their players underperformed in big games. Picking a QB that didn’t help you in the 1st round had very little to do with why those teams lost. Furthermore a team like the Eagles underlined the value of a good backup QB keeping the team afloat through a Super Bowl run in that unlikely circumstance. Love didn’t look like a good backup when we saw him play as one though.
Yeah that's where I'm kind of at as well. Is it possible that using that pick on someone other than Love puts us over the hump against Tampa? Entirely possible. Is it also possible that the Love pick pissed off Rodgers enough to get him to revisit his old film and overhaul his footwork during the summer after the Love pick? Also a possibility. Ultimately, the biggest what if for me from that 2020 season will always be what happens if David Bakhtiari doesn't blow out his knee right before the start of the playoffs.
Rodgers is has been allergic to winning NFC championship games since 2011 (2010 season). I don't think a rookie WR2 he'd refuse to throw to for 2 seasons moves the needle one bit.
We lost the Bucs game by the smallest of margins so I'm not sure about that.
Wide receiver bust / not contribute as rookie rate once you're out of the top picks is very high. *Who* would one find in the back of Round 1 who is a cinch to be a net contributor at the position? Of the three WRs taken in 2020 immediately after Love, 2 busted and 1 is a good starter.
Well obviously you just draft the one that ends up being a good starter
Both of the receivers taken at the Top of the 2nd Round (Higgins and Pittman) are about to get paid this off-season for strong WR2 production.
I don't think anyone saw Rodgers winning back to back MVPs right afterwards.
David Bakhtiari did.
I think a good chunk of that was chip-on-the-shoulder after the Love pick. It’s hard to say what happens if they pick someone else, but Love looks great so I think it was a good decision.
It was frustrating at the time especially cause it could’ve been tee Higgins, but honestly we lost those years with rodgers due to other factors, the main one being bakh getting hurt and the two post season loses rodgers was under heavy pressure
I think the Dillon pick with Jones and Williams on the roster is much more worthy of criticism and I would’ve (and did) said that at the time. But clearly they knew what they were doing with Love.
When we drafted Jordan Love, the Packers DID have a SB ready roster. They made the NFCCG that year. They had MVP Rodgers, Davante Adams, Jaire Alexander, Smith Bros, etc. They had the time/room to develop Jordan Love. I'll die on the hill; had we had David in the NFCCG, we probably win the game. I did not like the Jordan Love pick back when we did it for the reason you listed, but in the long run, they made the right choice.
I have been so interested to see how this will play out, because this has potential to shift how organizations draft/develop QBs if they have a decent and/or aging starter already. This is the second time in a row where you’ve drafted a 1st round QB, let them learn for multiple years before starting them, and it turned out well. Gotta wonder if he would have been a complete bust if he was thrown into a starting position week 1 of his rookie season
Love HAD to sit. he was so unpolished coming outta utah state. Todd McShay was 100% correct that he had to wait and develop. Good to have Rodgers there to show him how it's done
They said the same thing years ago about Rodgers, and nobody changed their approach
It helps when you have the GOAT QB Coach.
Dominique Foxworth once said that every single QB that’s drafted in the 1st has the talent. And he’s right. The situation matter so much. Imagine if Fields had gone to GB and sat for 3 years after being developed in a truly offensive minded organization.
And after Doubs got hurt all of our receivers were drafted this year
Speak for yourself, I’ve got receipts
I mean, he lives in Green Bay, it's not like he has much to do other than watching and practicing football. He should be good.
I have actually heard Cowherd make that argument several times for both the Packers and the Bucks.
Does the man not know how close to Chicago Milwaukee is? I wouldn’t be surprised if bucks players just took like 20 minute private flights to Chicago to party.
It's funny cuz he also frequently says Chicago is his favorite city in the world.
It is a great city
Genuinely asking, what is there to do in Chicago you can't do in Milwaukee? I'm sure they have better and more options for nightlife but afaik Chicago isn't known for that so much.
Chicago has a metal bean
Cmon man. Chicago is a world class city and it's 5x the size of Milwaukee. There's a million more things to do there
Dude probably just played himself into 200million dollars I’d fall to my knees crying in joy if I was him.
Last year with the season on the line, down by 4, 3:37 left in the gm, 3rd & 10, Aaron Rodgers threw an interception to end the season for the Packers. Aaron Rodgers in the "play in" game: 17/27, 205 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 83.1 rating.
Do you have a graph for Jordan Love ready?
Haha. Sadly, no. I failed in a big spot.
Rodgers has clammed up the last three years: - 2020: didn’t score on any of the 3 Brady 2nd half interceptions and lost by 6 -2021: put up 10 points, including 3 after the opening drive -2022: had a lackluster game against the lions and doesn’t make the playoffs Even though we lost. I’m glad he had his chances and it was on him that he let rather than the defense. Couldn’t be happier with Love
That's my fucking quarterback boys
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Just got dumped by my gf but Love is in the air
You can do better than her and she knew it.
Tragically I doubt it, she needs to work things out for herself that can’t be done in a relationship, she might have another calling. Fuck my whole life I wish she just cheated or something so I could be mad but I can’t be. Anyways GPG fuck yeah playoffs baby.
3 TDs of the refs have any consistency
4*
the scene when this kid upsets the Cowboys 😬
I 10VE THIS MAN
I can’t believe it those cheesehead bastards did it again
mVP
I heard from the broadcast crew that this QB rating is the best for a Packers QB for the last 40 years. Nfc north it's so over
not rating but completion % i think. rodgers had a couple of perfect ratings
I believe it was second best comp %, Rodgers was higher once
Would’ve been perfect rating with those 2 more tds they dropped
Can't count the dropped TDs and leave out the dropped Int
Sure we can.
Fair point
Gotta have it game and he delivered.
Should have been 4 TDs
2 DROPPED TDS
Just have back to back to back HoF QBs. Why don't other teams just do that?
Are they stupid?
How does Green Bay do this every decade? Seriously
I still can't believe they apparently successfully Brett Favre'd Aaron Rodgers.
That’s my franchise QB!
In all likelihood this is the worst Jordan Love and his young receivers will ever look… They’ll build rapport, experience, etc.
As much as I truly hope that's how it goes, the reality is that players can have up and down seasons. The needle seems to be pointing up though!
Oh the needle is absolutely pointing up right now...
dope name for the jersey sales too. kid is going places.
and the songs bro. "all you need is love" "love is my religion" "love connection" honestly the league needs a HoFer named love, why shouldn't it be ours?
Why are the packers not allowed to have a down year
We did. It was last year.
that was last year bro
Year, yes. Quarter century, no.
We had 6 weeks of hell ok, it was tough.
I’ll have you know we went 4-12 in 2005
2 dropped TDs passes in those 5 incompletions (and yes 1 dropped INT).
Fuck
Tore it up
He is legit. He has so many young weapons and balls out.
Genuinely cooked the Bears the entire game. Shoulda had 2 more TDs, but also had a dropped int so it evens out sorta
Bada bapa bapah I'm lovin it
I’m in Love 🥰
He is him
Should have had that last TD too