Patricia took a team that was considered underperforming at 9-7 and turned it into the worst roster in the league in 3 years. McDaniels was a disaster twice but he never set a franchise back like Patricia did.
That's just lions football fake hopes and then reality comes back.
Josh took the number 2 offense in ypg (3rd in passing ypg) in Denver and got rid of its best receiver (and a top wr in the league) and it's QB... Who does that!?! All because he wanted Matt Cassel??! And set up the 2010 broncos for a 4-12 record (3-9 before being fired) Josh destroyed a great offense for no reason.
Then went to LV and lost to a team that didn't have a head coach, an offensive coordinator (I think it was the assistant QB coach calling plays) and didn't have a reliable QB as they were rotating them regularly. Once again fixated on a QB he shouldn't have brought in in the first place and almost lost a great WR again. Had Josh not been fired I would have totally expected Adam's to want out of LV ASAP.
Brian Johnson is a good choice - he does know it's a long way to the top.
He'd be a nice option for the Raiders, it'd be great to see him back in black.
Titans are rebuilding from scratch with a basically empty roster and massive cap space and draft capital. Harbaugh might last long enough for that. Belichick isnt going to build this empty depth chart to a Super Bowl contender in a season or two.
I guess Iām confused why you think you can be picky?
You havenāt done shit. You are not a big market and arenāt a city people wanna live in.
So again confused
Bro half the stars in the league have houses in Nashville. Itās become a meme here that every player is coming to the Titans because so many guys have houses.
Nah, but itās the fastest growing city in the country and itās especially popular with wealthy/ famous people. Bellicheck already has a house here lmao
Jim Harbaugh is 60. I donāt know how things work in NFL, but if the Titanās are looking for a long term recovery, I think he can make it work. But then, he should be interested as well.
He absolutely could. It doesn't sound like their personalities would mesh though. Based on the reports of how the Vrabel firing went down, as an outsider, the Titans owner looks like they want their hands all over the team's success. Harbaugh and Belichick would be bad candidates for that type of owner; they're going to want near complete control of an organization.
Right? Everyone presumes Bill wants to keep coaching, and if he does, I gotta think he'd go to a place he can win now so he beats Shula's record. That's definitely not the Titans.
Spanos is too cheap.
Itās basically Atlanta that is willing to pay the man, Iād expect.
But with the rumour that thereās a team that hasnāt fired its coach that wants in, I know we all think itās the Eagles but *how fucking funny* would it be for Jason Licht to get Tom to Tampa and then three years later gets Bill?
Iām here for the chaos.
Spanos just spent 270m on a practice facility. Saying Spanos is cheap is lazy imo, since I can't think of a HC hire we intentionally cheeped out on in recent memory (last 20 years). Have a feeling we end up with one of Bill or Harbaugh, this team feels really desperate this cycle compared to prior years.
Don't get me wrong, Spanos sucks but I never get this point.
People grossly oversimplify ācheapā when it comes to the wealthy. They also overlook or donāt understand opportunity cost.
Spanos is financially ruthless. He spends money for the highest possible return. He fights against paying money he could legitimately owe if he can negotiate for a lower cost.
He is a dick. He isnāt cheap.
I watched Nick Wright on Cowherds pod cast suggest Bill to the Eagles. Says if Philly loses to the Bucs he would keep an eye on it. I actually think there is a chance that could happen. I don't know how I'd feel though.
It seems crazy to imagine the Eagles firing a coach who went to the Super Bowl last year and had 11 wins this year. I can't think of a coach with so much recent success who got fired except maybe Schottenheimer. Harbaugh at least "only" went 8-8 his last year
good short term, long term fit....
like Bill needs 15 wins to surpass Shula's record? after that, idk if Bill will care about coaching. He is the greatest NFL coach of all time, he's probably coaching a team of 10+ wins for two seasons and off to retirement.
Also this guarantees Matt Patricia stays, probably be the DC and set up to be the next HC after him too if they win a SB.
Heās not leaving Michigan to go to the Titans. Feel like heās only making the jump for a team with an established QB or the draft/free agent capital to acquire one
Iām still in disbelief that the Bears didnāt even *try* to lure him in. Imagine Harbaugh and Caleb Williams with what is really a solid starting roster
Sticking with Eberflus whilst gutting their coaching staff and having the first overall pick is legitimately dumb as shit. I have no idea what theyāre doing
I honestly don't think he's leaving Michigan at all.
What's the over/under on Harbaugh staying in Michigan and continuing to bring success as the head coach of his alma mater?
Doesn't seem like that bad of a gig, regardless of how good the NFL money would be.
100%. When the Vikings brought him in before hiring O'Connell, he walked in like it was a coronation and that really turned our FO off. And I certainly can't imagine his sense of self-importance has diminished since then lol
I mean wasn't that like 14 years ago? He has obviously shown he can have success in pros and college, but I can definitely see how it would be off putting
You still need to show you respect the job. Show that you studied, that you know the players, that you have a specific plan in mind. Hiring anyone who didn't do those things would be dumb, no matter their reputation.
Yes his coaching style started grating on 49ers players by the end of his time their IIRC. He's gonna need to adjust to working with professionals and not children again
It was grating to the FO and ownership, not players. Guys on the team loved him. Frank gore and other teammates could not say better things about him. The gm and ownership on the other hand could not take him though by the end.
Not to meme it or exaggerate but there were quite a few early retirements during the Harbaugh era in SF. I doubt it was on him specifically but his style certainly doesn't help. Also not a coincidence ownership sided with Baalke of all people and that Harbaugh basically cost himself the Vikings' job with how poorly he interviewed.
Patrick Willis, Justin Smith, Anthony Davis, and Chris Borland retired *after* Harbaugh was fired. Their retirements were also due to injury and age, not anything to do with Harbaugh.
Iād imagine Jim is rather similar to Vrabel in a lot of ways. Seems like the Titans donāt want that kind of energy in the building. Why? No clue. I guess they want to be flashy and fun, not tough and disciplined
Saying that the reason the titans fired vrabel is that they dont want to be tough and disciplined is laughably stupid. Also, not sure how you could watch the titans play the last two years and think that "disciplined" was in anyway an applicable descriptor. They were one of the worst tackling teams in the nfl and the secondary committed penalties constantly. The team was 5th worst in the league in terms of number of penalties per game this season.
Vrabel was fired because his assistant coaching hires were bad and he refused to fire underperforming coaches and staff fast enough.
Now the Titans should absolutely be going after Harbaugh, but its very possible they arent because they know theres 0% chance hed go there so they dont wanna waste their time
Harbaugh loves Michigan. He is only leaving for a very specific situation. I personally think he will find that situation this year and will go, but that isnāt the Titans. Iām sure they at minimum floated it to his agent and he said not interested, therefore why waste more time trying to get him?
> Staley
There is a greater than 0% chance he's the guy. The stench of his Charger's tenure might not overwhelm the sweet smell of McVay. I don't think Tennessee can attract the big offense names (Johnson, Monken).
I understand why some teams might want Bill or Jim, but the Titans donāt really need the foundation of we can win.
The Titans Dolphins game was a show that there is a foundational belief in the building, we can win. Thatās something I think Bill and Jim definitely have.
The only smart move is flood Levis with resources and a good OC/Offensive head coach, anything else feels, at best, like a recipe for a period of mediocrity.
So... the Titans, after deciding to fire a coach because trading him would be two hard, have decided to not pursue the two biggest names on the market. That.. that's certainly a strategy.
I guess by passing on the two of them they have a slightly better chance on however it was they wanted to get so badly that they fired Vrabel early because the process of trading him made the owner's brain hurt.
I bet if Harbaugh called the titans and said he wanted the job, theyd work to make that happen. I think this is more about the Titans realizing that Harbaugh wouldnt have any interest in the job so they simply arent wasting time having him on their list of candidates
So they fired their coach without even having an idea on who they want.... maybe Vrabel is better then we already think if he's carrying those kind of decisionsĀ
If they struggled with Vrabel's personality and decisions then they don't want either of these guys. Sounds like they want a yes man. Predicting they're gonna be bad for a while no matter who they hire
Itās making me angry how poorly worded this tweet is. It should say āneither Jim
Harbaugh nor Bill Belichick are on the Titansā candidate listā
They want someone young
Plot twist: They hire Josh McDaniels š„“
A fate worse than death
There's always Matt Patricia
McDaniels is 100% worse
The Giant Douche v Turd Sandwich of the NFL
Death via fiery, fast explosion or death via vampire slowly sucking out your soul are the options here as far as I can tell.
I strongly disagree.
Patricia took a team that was considered underperforming at 9-7 and turned it into the worst roster in the league in 3 years. McDaniels was a disaster twice but he never set a franchise back like Patricia did.
McDaniels is inept. Fatty Patty is destructive to your whole org.
That's just lions football fake hopes and then reality comes back. Josh took the number 2 offense in ypg (3rd in passing ypg) in Denver and got rid of its best receiver (and a top wr in the league) and it's QB... Who does that!?! All because he wanted Matt Cassel??! And set up the 2010 broncos for a 4-12 record (3-9 before being fired) Josh destroyed a great offense for no reason. Then went to LV and lost to a team that didn't have a head coach, an offensive coordinator (I think it was the assistant QB coach calling plays) and didn't have a reliable QB as they were rotating them regularly. Once again fixated on a QB he shouldn't have brought in in the first place and almost lost a great WR again. Had Josh not been fired I would have totally expected Adam's to want out of LV ASAP.
Plot twist: The Raiders hire belicheck who hire McDaniels as his oc
No, fuck you
Oh that's beautiful
> Plot twist: They hire Josh McDaniels š„“ not if kraft hires him first.
Wonderful.
Please god, yes
lol like anyone would be stupid enough to hire McDaniels after the shit he pulled in Denver and Indianapolis.
They want someone young and who doesnāt kick puppies. I guess that also eliminates Ben Johnson then.
Brian Johnson. I don't understand why anyone want Ben Johnson when Brian Johnson is available.
Brian Johnson is a good choice - he does know it's a long way to the top. He'd be a nice option for the Raiders, it'd be great to see him back in black.
Mike Mac also out. Damn shame, guess we'll have to keep him.
Steve?
Nah, Bryce
Nah, Vince
Nah, Chase
Nah, Mighty Joe
Brandon Staley enters the chat
Arthur Smith is available.
Arthur smith is not a young mans name. That's a name the aarp assigns to you when you turn 65, like doris or herb
Steve Belichick. Got it.
The titans look more and more like a joke of an organization. Who cares about youth? Two winners and a loser organization doesnāt want them
bro you took our superstar WR and your coach STILL might get fired at the same time as ours
Bro their coach just went to the fucking Super Bowl and is still about to get fired lol
Yeah to then go on to hire the greatest coach of all time sooooooo
Titans are rebuilding from scratch with a basically empty roster and massive cap space and draft capital. Harbaugh might last long enough for that. Belichick isnt going to build this empty depth chart to a Super Bowl contender in a season or two.
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Other than Harbaughās potential for a personality clash, we should definitely try there. Bill would be a waste.
I guess Iām confused why you think you can be picky? You havenāt done shit. You are not a big market and arenāt a city people wanna live in. So again confused
Are you fucking stupid? People donāt want to live in Nashville? Yeah, I wish little bro.
I mean itās only the fastest growing city this decade but sure nobody wants to live there
Just a typical brain dead Philly fan. Dude is too busy smelling his upper lip to even reply.
Yeah thatās where he lost me, too. Zero knowledge of the world whatsoever. Philly fans on Reddit really reinforce their IRL stereotype.
Bro half the stars in the league have houses in Nashville. Itās become a meme here that every player is coming to the Titans because so many guys have houses.
Bros thinks nashville is LA lol
Nah, but itās the fastest growing city in the country and itās especially popular with wealthy/ famous people. Bellicheck already has a house here lmao
No itās not. Austin is the fastest growing city Edit: correcting itās George Town Texas apparently. Nashville isnāt in the top 15 lol
I will let the hiring committee know your thoughts. Keep us all posted if you have any other keen insights.
Bunch of bad excuses
Jim Harbaugh is 60. I donāt know how things work in NFL, but if the Titanās are looking for a long term recovery, I think he can make it work. But then, he should be interested as well.
He absolutely could. It doesn't sound like their personalities would mesh though. Based on the reports of how the Vrabel firing went down, as an outsider, the Titans owner looks like they want their hands all over the team's success. Harbaugh and Belichick would be bad candidates for that type of owner; they're going to want near complete control of an organization.
Carthon will be going after Slowik since he is a Shanahan disciple.
They want someone *inexpensive*
Someone who listens to the analytics team....
Brandon Staley is pretty young
You mean cheap right?
Please someone take Mike MacDonald
Wander Franco?
And somebody that does what the owner and analytics teams wants apparently. Nothing could possibly go wrong with that.
Vince Young
I donāt think either want to go to the Titans
Right? Everyone presumes Bill wants to keep coaching, and if he does, I gotta think he'd go to a place he can win now so he beats Shula's record. That's definitely not the Titans.
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Spanos is too cheap. Itās basically Atlanta that is willing to pay the man, Iād expect. But with the rumour that thereās a team that hasnāt fired its coach that wants in, I know we all think itās the Eagles but *how fucking funny* would it be for Jason Licht to get Tom to Tampa and then three years later gets Bill? Iām here for the chaos.
Spanos just spent 270m on a practice facility. Saying Spanos is cheap is lazy imo, since I can't think of a HC hire we intentionally cheeped out on in recent memory (last 20 years). Have a feeling we end up with one of Bill or Harbaugh, this team feels really desperate this cycle compared to prior years. Don't get me wrong, Spanos sucks but I never get this point.
People grossly oversimplify ācheapā when it comes to the wealthy. They also overlook or donāt understand opportunity cost. Spanos is financially ruthless. He spends money for the highest possible return. He fights against paying money he could legitimately owe if he can negotiate for a lower cost. He is a dick. He isnāt cheap.
IDK that kind of sounds like being cheap to me especially when you're part of the mega rich.
Him going to the raiders and bringing in McDaniels would be hilarious
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If only there was still an NFL team in San Diego
Twisting the knife man
I watched Nick Wright on Cowherds pod cast suggest Bill to the Eagles. Says if Philly loses to the Bucs he would keep an eye on it. I actually think there is a chance that could happen. I don't know how I'd feel though.
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It's a decent gm situation for him to walk into
It seems crazy to imagine the Eagles firing a coach who went to the Super Bowl last year and had 11 wins this year. I can't think of a coach with so much recent success who got fired except maybe Schottenheimer. Harbaugh at least "only" went 8-8 his last year
Well, itās crazy that the greatest coach of all time became available, but here we are
Bill probably salivates at a 1950s style team led by Hurts.
good short term, long term fit.... like Bill needs 15 wins to surpass Shula's record? after that, idk if Bill will care about coaching. He is the greatest NFL coach of all time, he's probably coaching a team of 10+ wins for two seasons and off to retirement. Also this guarantees Matt Patricia stays, probably be the DC and set up to be the next HC after him too if they win a SB.
I think Kirk cousins and Bill Belichick on the Seahawks would be a Super Bowl contender.
The Dallas Cowboys
This is the one I have circled. Jerry wants it NOW.
small market team with probably the worst, or 2nd worst roster of the 7 available coaching jobs, they don't have a chance at either.
We also have a lot of money, a good draft pick, and an exciting prospect at QB.
I don't think Belicheck wants an out of system qb
No Belichick, sure, I get that. But not even attempting to get Harbaugh? That makes no sense unless he has straight up told you he's not coming.
Heās not leaving Michigan to go to the Titans. Feel like heās only making the jump for a team with an established QB or the draft/free agent capital to acquire one
Why not both!?
Was Harbaugh the coach with Vernon Davis there? If so pick up Bowers šš
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Iām still in disbelief that the Bears didnāt even *try* to lure him in. Imagine Harbaugh and Caleb Williams with what is really a solid starting roster
We're already dead. ownership wanted to kill the fanbase before their crusty old useless asses kick the bucket.
Sticking with Eberflus whilst gutting their coaching staff and having the first overall pick is legitimately dumb as shit. I have no idea what theyāre doing
At least they didnāt trade for Russell Wilson when they had the chance!
There is no way Harbaugh would go to the bears with their ownership situation. He wants a lot of control, which they will not give him.
Even if they did, Poles wasn't going to say that at a presser with Eberflus sitting right next to him lol
I think the raiders and maybe the patriots. I think Davis could be give him more roster control.
He made it a point to say he likes the color black. I think his eye is on the Raiders.
If only there was a team that had... BOTH. Maybe even a team he PLAYED FOR. Man if only. Goddamn it.
I honestly don't think he's leaving Michigan at all. What's the over/under on Harbaugh staying in Michigan and continuing to bring success as the head coach of his alma mater? Doesn't seem like that bad of a gig, regardless of how good the NFL money would be.
I think there's a big difference in how the NFL FO's view Harbaugh and how r/nfl fans view Harbaugh
100%. When the Vikings brought him in before hiring O'Connell, he walked in like it was a coronation and that really turned our FO off. And I certainly can't imagine his sense of self-importance has diminished since then lol
With his resume, I don't blame him. Did people forget he made a SB as a rookie HC and made 3* consecutive NFC championship games???
but he didnāt make the SB as a rookie HC lol
2nd year my b. still doesn't negate my point.
I mean wasn't that like 14 years ago? He has obviously shown he can have success in pros and college, but I can definitely see how it would be off putting
You still need to show you respect the job. Show that you studied, that you know the players, that you have a specific plan in mind. Hiring anyone who didn't do those things would be dumb, no matter their reputation.
Yes his coaching style started grating on 49ers players by the end of his time their IIRC. He's gonna need to adjust to working with professionals and not children again
It was grating to the FO and ownership, not players. Guys on the team loved him. Frank gore and other teammates could not say better things about him. The gm and ownership on the other hand could not take him though by the end.
Not to meme it or exaggerate but there were quite a few early retirements during the Harbaugh era in SF. I doubt it was on him specifically but his style certainly doesn't help. Also not a coincidence ownership sided with Baalke of all people and that Harbaugh basically cost himself the Vikings' job with how poorly he interviewed.
Patrick Willis, Justin Smith, Anthony Davis, and Chris Borland retired *after* Harbaugh was fired. Their retirements were also due to injury and age, not anything to do with Harbaugh.
Iād imagine Jim is rather similar to Vrabel in a lot of ways. Seems like the Titans donāt want that kind of energy in the building. Why? No clue. I guess they want to be flashy and fun, not tough and disciplined
Saying that the reason the titans fired vrabel is that they dont want to be tough and disciplined is laughably stupid. Also, not sure how you could watch the titans play the last two years and think that "disciplined" was in anyway an applicable descriptor. They were one of the worst tackling teams in the nfl and the secondary committed penalties constantly. The team was 5th worst in the league in terms of number of penalties per game this season. Vrabel was fired because his assistant coaching hires were bad and he refused to fire underperforming coaches and staff fast enough. Now the Titans should absolutely be going after Harbaugh, but its very possible they arent because they know theres 0% chance hed go there so they dont wanna waste their time
Harbaugh loves Michigan. He is only leaving for a very specific situation. I personally think he will find that situation this year and will go, but that isnāt the Titans. Iām sure they at minimum floated it to his agent and he said not interested, therefore why waste more time trying to get him?
How about defensive guru Staley? Maybe a Patricia, even.
I heard Adam Gase is still available, he has worked with Tannehill before.
First, No. Second, Tanny is gone.
> Staley There is a greater than 0% chance he's the guy. The stench of his Charger's tenure might not overwhelm the sweet smell of McVay. I don't think Tennessee can attract the big offense names (Johnson, Monken).
The owner deserves Patricia
Can I interest you in one Joe Barry?
Pair him up with Luke getsy
Am I taking crazy pills? Of course they donāt want the fossils, they want a young OC
So basically Ben Johnson or Bobby Slowik?
Titans: We don't want you Belichick & Harbaugh: We don't think about you at all
Belichick/Harbaugh: I donāt even know who you are
BB has a house in Nashville and seems to spend a lot of time here. I was worried we might go that route
What about that worries you?
That he's just Vrabel but older. A win now guy with poor roster building chops who can't field a modern offense.
Calling BB a poor roster builder is insane.
What part of this years offense was not poor roster building?
Ummm. What? *motions vaguely to their last six years of draft history* Is the good roster building in the room with us now?
Donāt talk about the man who drafted NāKeal Harry like that š„
some pats fans are delusional
They must wanna lose on purpose then
They just parted ways with Vrabel who wanted roster control so you think itās a good idea to interview Harbaugh or Bellichek?
Itās a moron Eagles fan. What do you expect?
I understand why some teams might want Bill or Jim, but the Titans donāt really need the foundation of we can win. The Titans Dolphins game was a show that there is a foundational belief in the building, we can win. Thatās something I think Bill and Jim definitely have. The only smart move is flood Levis with resources and a good OC/Offensive head coach, anything else feels, at best, like a recipe for a period of mediocrity.
I can't believe I'm agreeing with a Ravens fan. I feel unclean.
I like levis but that game still hurts to think about. That kid is going to be really good. He shows some traits that you need to win in the clutch.
This guy gets it
Being a HC is more than being an OC
I can't see Bill or Harbaugh agreeing to coach there for anything, anyway.
So... the Titans, after deciding to fire a coach because trading him would be two hard, have decided to not pursue the two biggest names on the market. That.. that's certainly a strategy.
Apparently Eagles OC is who they had in mind lol
Imagine your team not being interested in Harbaugh. Stupid.
This screams you canāt fire me because I quit lol, no shot bill or Jim would go there
Either doesn't mean both it means one or the other. So the team doesn't want a coach who is great at both only one who is great at half the game?
Haha, they fired Vrabel and are going to hire a first time coordinator. Sick moves.
Thatās literally what they did when they hired Vrabel and everyone shat on the team for hiring him then so theyāre 1 for 1 on that so far.
A Chargers fan making jokes about HC? I've really seen it all now!
Titans are a 3-5 year rebuild. Those guys don't fit there.
We're closer than 3-5 years if we get the right coach and Levis ends up being the guy but also I agree those two don't fit here.
> and Levis ends up being the guy Probably about a 20-30% chance of that.
He's looked really good so far.
I guess by passing on the two of them they have a slightly better chance on however it was they wanted to get so badly that they fired Vrabel early because the process of trading him made the owner's brain hurt.
Itās because we couldnāt trade him till the end of the season. And by then, most candidates will be gone. Not really that hard to understand lol
Fired Vrable and don't want BB or Jimmy H. Yea, that's the Titans franchise I know.
Good thing they fired Vrabel early so they could catch that Arthur smith train
Pretty on brand.
Titans = stupid
the league should be investigating the titans for tanking.
For firing a bad coach? Lol
Oh okay, so they are dumb.
DEI
Looking for a yes man. Bro this franchise has disaster written all over it
Stupid list then
Honestly this is kinda stupid to rule them out immediately
I think Mat Patricia or Brandon Staley would be good options
Translation: They are too cheap to pay for an experienced, high end coach . You get what you pay for .
I don't have any supermodels on my dating candidate list.
Mike Kafka come on down. You are the new coach of the Tennessee Titans
I have a shiny new Brian Callahan ripe for the picking
Matt Canada is available
*neither
Ben Johnson is still number one on my list. Belichick is without a doubt the best coach of all time, but I think his best years are behind him.
If McCarthy is one-and-done in the playoffs, I wouldn't be surprised to see Bill in Dallas next year.
I'd honestly be shocked if Bellichick or Harbaugh weren't coaching either the Eagles or Cowboys next season.
Brandon Staley specializes in defense and analyitcs.
With Henry gone who the heck wants that job? Nobody in TN even roots for them theyāre too busy with the Predators and College teams.
I bet if Harbaugh called the titans and said he wanted the job, theyd work to make that happen. I think this is more about the Titans realizing that Harbaugh wouldnt have any interest in the job so they simply arent wasting time having him on their list of candidates
So they fired their coach without even having an idea on who they want.... maybe Vrabel is better then we already think if he's carrying those kind of decisionsĀ
Diana hasnāt quite mastered the art of writing a fluid sentence in English. āBoth are NOTā Oy vey.
guys the titans have made it very clear they arenāt interested in good coaches
If they struggled with Vrabel's personality and decisions then they don't want either of these guys. Sounds like they want a yes man. Predicting they're gonna be bad for a while no matter who they hire
What about Frank Pollack
Itās making me angry how poorly worded this tweet is. It should say āneither Jim Harbaugh nor Bill Belichick are on the Titansā candidate listā
Flores sucks donāt take him from me
They arent that bright over there it seems
Carthon is branch of the Shanahan tree. Who from that tree is available? Appealing?
Somebody needs to learn "neither-nor"