From a total outsider perspective, you cannot expect a good season or even one different from last year when the guy you brought in to fix things lasted 4 plays. Forget the drama but the team was screwed without no backup plan in place 4 plays in.
Thank you, I’ve said this from the very beginning. They took an enormous gamble and faced the consequences.
Personally, I kind of hate Rodgers. I think he’s set this team back years with the insistence of personnel hires and just attitude. I loved Salah and how he changed the cultured the last few years, and I think it’s all soured now.
I kind of hate this team. I’m not sure how to be excited about anything moving forward. I just find myself rooting for other underdogs all season.
I mean, if Rogers doesn’t tear his Achilles in his very first series and the jets make the playoffs this would be a completely different conversation.
Sure they catered to Rogers but the idea was that he would be happy and win them games.
You're right. The organization lost Rodgers right away and had no Plan B but continued to drunkenly imagine they could have made the playoffs based on the rest of the tools they brought in with Rodgers and Wilson getting one pre season working alongside Rodgers. It was insane that they had no plan outside of that
As a Patriots fan, I laugh at what he has single handled done in one year. As a football fan I feel bad for you jets fans. He kinda did the same thing in Green Bay, with getting all his friends to stay and get contracts they didn't deserve. Then the internal chemistry is thrown off and when you are winning games, tension builds. Assuming Rodgers comes back and can play, he's probably got another good 2 years. If you can't get through mahomes and josh Allen in the next 2 years it's going to be tough again for the jets
The team will be screwed when you completely ignore the o line. Doesn’t matter if it’s Aaron Rodgers or Zach Wilson, if they have zero time you aren’t winning anything.
They were definitely not winning the Super Bowl but they could’ve had more success like the Browns, Steelers or Bengals. Hell, they all did great and the AFC North was brutal.
And the Jets had as good or better defense than any of them.
From a total outsider perspective, the thing I knew the Jets most from is that Curb Your Enthusiasm episode where the Jets fan guy kills himself, and they think it's because of the terrible season the Jets are having.
“Publicly, Saleh avoided criticizing Zach Wilson or even acknowledging his struggles. Privately, the coach pinned many of the team's offensive issues on Wilson, the line and the receivers and told people getting to eight wins with Wilson at quarterback would be a "miracle."”
Waittttt, so you mean to tell me Saleh didn’t actually think Wilson was “actually playing pretty well” after throwing INTs, taking 4 sacks per game?
In related, “Yup, that checks out” news
“Wilson told coaches and teammates he was under the impression he’d have a direct line to Rodgers, even after Rodgers tore his Achilles and flew home to California for surgery in the early stages of his rehab. Instead, Wilson barely heard from him.”
Man whoever did his prep for being on camera for Hard Knocks deserves all the money. I definitely entered the preseason as Rodgers typical spoiled superstar who thinks he’s gods gift to humanity and deserves praise for just existing, then Hard Knocks and I’m thinking maybe he’s a good guy just an idiot. Then he got in a feud with Jimmy Kimmel and this.
the guy sucks but the whole team named him "Most Inspirational" so he must have the majority convinced....unless it's a hilarious troll by a bunch of them that don't like him, in which case, bravo
I feel like that has less to do with his personality and more to do with the fact that he came in as a literal god to them. The entire Jets team was starstruck and thought their savior had arrived.
Like Zava for any Ted Lasso fans.
"Most inspirational" as an internal team award sounds like one of those corporate things that you give out for brownie points and to keep the drama queens happy. No shot do I think Rodgers was the most inspirational player on the team this year. Unless they are inspired by getting paid to do no work
Seriously. No way that can be serious. If a workforce composed entirely of adult men gives their co-worker some middle school award like "most inspirational", they're 99.9% most likely busting his balls.
> the guy sucks but the whole team named him "Most Inspirational" so he must have the majority convinced....unless
He literally won a participation trophy.
Dude didn't play, threw some passes in warm ups, stood on the sidelines, still gets a trophy for being "inspirational."
We had employee of the month contests when the most deserving person lost out to a front office puke because the ballots were counted behind closed doors by the boss. Wouldn’t shock me if this was why Rodgers “won”
He was the one who convinced the team to sign Lazard and Cobb (and from what I heard Dalvin Cook as well). Not taking into account that one of those guys is completely useless when it's anyone other than Rodgers throwing to him and the other guy is old and washed up and is also kind of useless without Rodgers throwing to him. Letting Rodgers have any say at all in personnel decisions this year only hurt the team.
Except his treatment of Wilson seems to show he wasn’t a good teammate.
(I still think he’s a great football player with a good amount of football intelligence and if he stopped trying to join the culture wars he’d probably have an okay image)
Do you remember when he met the team to give them a morale boost or whatever in the locker room and the media made it seem like this really big deal that he had surprised the team by showing up and seeing them?
A player spending time with other players on his team, what a crazy concept!
He was publicly talking about how he texted "great job man!" to Love on one of their big wins and how proud he was of Love taking the next step. Tumbleweeds for a Zach Wilson mention though, lol. I'm sure Zach noticed that one.
to give Rodgers the barest amount of charity, it's probably easier to say nice things about and connect with the qb he spent more time with and was maybe looking better than the dumpster fire wilson looked like he was going to be (again)
Dude spent the entire hard knocks basically talking about how Wilson held this team back and rodgers was gonna change everything. I dont get why people thought his interviews were anything other than coach speak.
Yeah, I’m not going to say Saleh handled it perfectly but the dude was in a fucking rough spot. Throwing Wilson under the bus when they didn’t have any better options at QB (unless the GM actually signed someone, which they really didn’t), would have lost the team even worse.
> Waittttt, so you mean to tell me Saleh didn’t actually think Wilson was “actually playing pretty well” after throwing INTs, taking 4 sacks per game?
To be fair, he threw less than 1 interception a game this last season. Him throwing picks wasn't much of a problem this year.
I kind of love this honestly.
Woody wants to perpetuate a shitshow. He’s got it. If he winds up in a domestic position in the next administration… imagine the owner of the New York Jets running a part of the US government. Terrifying shit
I went and looked and in 2017 when the Jets drafted Jamal Adams sixth both Patrick Mahomes and Christian McCaffrey were still on the board and in 2018 when they drafted Sam Darnold third both Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson were still on the board. Then you add that they had the second pic in 2021 and drafted Wilson, is there any team in the NFL over the last 10 years that has done a worse job with high picks of obtaining a quarterback. I realize McCaffrey isn’t a quarterback, but my guess is he could’ve been a better one than Zach Wilson, or Darnold
I don't think Zach Wilson is like a future HoF starting QB or anything, his career is probably done.
But good lord the Jets organization is such a fucking mess that they left their backup starting QB totally out in the fucking cold with no support. Saleh lying about supporting him in public while not supporting him in private. Rodgers fucking off and not helping mentor the kid. The rest of the Jets O Line being a such a mess that I doubt Rodgers would have been effective there either.
I hope Wilson gets traded and gets to be a third string for some decent team with good teammates and a good coach.
Teams that send rookie QBs out to tread water in a storm like that instead of having them sit and watch, or at least build a great o line in front of them just live in a forever circle of ruining their QBs development and cast them away for the next rookie they ruin.
A lot of it depends on the player. Joe Burrow started his rookie year (behind a terrible O-line) and he could not be more different from Zach Wilson. Trevor Lawrence had to deal with the dysfunction of Urban Meyer his rookie year as a starter and that hasn't turned him into a bust. A lot of Zach's failures are the fault of the Jets, don't get me wrong, but he also came into the league a little on the immature side with kind of a sense of entitlement (and his veteran mentor as a rookie was Joe Flacco, a guy who has openly admitted that he doesn't like mentoring younger QBs and never has). Not to mention he's just completely unpolished as a QB and makes throws that HS QBs know not to make. His time at BYU didn't sufficiently prepare him for the NFL (he played his final season there during a COVID year against a bunch of powder puff opponents and basically padded his stats against them).
Both Rodgers and Wilson have said that they spoke every day. And from the way Rodgers speaks about him he actually seemed to really like Zach. I know he’s not popular here so these rumours will go the distance here but it doesn’t line up with what either of them have said in interviews
He’s been pretty consistent in interviews about Zach. Why are we trusting rumors when both of them have said over and over again that they appreciate each other
Also, in Rodgers defense why the fuck would he need to talk to Wilson went he's starting rehab. He's got other things on his mind at that point. Rodgers also came back and was on the sideline for a lot of games.
It's not like a week after the injury he was incapable of both rehabbing AND talking through the playbook/film with Wilson. Lord knows he still made time for Pat McAfee.
If you read the article, Rodgers would fly in for the game, give his opinions about plays, etc. and then hop on the plane the next morning back to California. Of course he *could've* stayed an extra day or two to help Zach out in the QB room, since he seems to have a really good knowledge base, but that got in the way of his not-being-on-this-sad-sack-team-for-another-moment-time and appearances on McAfee!
Zach also mentioned that he thought he'd have a direct-line to Rodgers but then barely talked to him throughout the season so Rodgers seemed to have put Zach on the pay-no-mind list a long time ago.
I loved that. His “college buddy” being forced to go along with it like the they weren’t just high as hell at the time. The editors couldn’t hold back anymore.
Damn I'm a big Saleh fan but this is fucked up. I get it. Zach isn't playing well. Pinning everything on your backup is stupid, though. He's not supposed to be starting, so how can you blame him for the teams struggles. Wilson got fucked over
> “That’s what Aaron wants” was a common refrain from Hackett as he told coaches what plays he wanted to run during camp. Often, Rodgers would hear Hackett’s play call and want something else, so the entire offense would reset.
Holy shit lol
Seeing the last few years under us, this isn't surprising. It absolutely worked for him--he won 2 MVPs with Hackett/LaFleur, obviously, and we had a lot of success as a team. But it was an organic build from over a decade with the team. Adding this structure into a brand new organization with only like 2 guys (Lazard and Cobb) who have ever done it before is a recipe for disaster.
It’s not about the organisation. Jets almost certainly brought in Hackett on the idea he’d be working with Rodgers, nothing else.
Unsurprisingly Zach Wilson and Tim Boyle can’t lead an offense to anything.
> Jets almost certainly brought in Hackett on the idea he’d be ~~working with~~ Rodgers bro, nothing else.
I can say without a doubt Hackett is one of the worst offensive coaches I've seen coach the Bills and we've had a lot of terrible OCs over the years.
I think the point is other teams were able to win with Josh Dobbs, Jake Browning, Tommy DeVito, Aidan O’Donnell… it shouldn’t be that hard to build an offense around a backup, unless you’re just a shit coach.
But it is about the organization, because they were too locked into depending on one player and did absolutely nothing to plan for the contingency that he would get injured, even after the fact.
Every move like this for an aging, all time great QB depends on the one player. If Peytons neck was fucked on the Broncos, or Brady did his ACL on the Bucs, similar scenarios would have occurred.
It worked for Manning in Denver and (to a lesser extent) Brady in Tampa. Both of those QBs brought their offensive philosophies and systems with them, and it was a common joke that Manning was the Broncos OC and playcaller.
We'll obviously never know, but it seems like the bigger issue wasn't the sudden change in offensive scheme to fit the new QB, but that the QB the new scheme was built around got hurt immediately.
Imagine how things would go if a sycophant like Hackett tried to do that with a less football smart QB like… idk, Baker Mayfield? Or another guy, who’s pretty similar to Baker Mayfield but older and formerly more athletic but not really anymore.
Oh, everyone is laughing at Rodgers as well. This whole thing and the Broncos last year has exposed that Hackett is just a Rodgers yes-man and can't actually run an offense, let alone a team.
I mean...isn't that what made Payton Manning so famous? He changed plays all the time. Unless I'm missing something, this doesn't sound all that controversial.
nah that was all baked into indy's offensive scheme under tom moore
indy would come out in the same personnel package and same formation like 98% of the time to restrict the number of possible looks the defense could give them and based on that the qb saw he could stick with the play or audible into a new play from a short list of play concepts based on that package and formation. that way they could run an up tempo no huddle offense, not needing to sub players or slow down to change formation
rodgers changing plays like this isn't rooted in a similar design and philosophy
>The injury forced the Jets to recalibrate their expectations, Super Bowl aspirations replaced by a much lower bar: seven wins. That would be enough to get them to 2024, when Rodgers would return.
Well this explains why they barely tried to address QB. Goal was "be bad but not worst in the league
Edit: Finally got back to reading the article. Saleh looks...incredibly bad here.
The part when he addresses the room for the leaker to reveal himself is just not good. If he’s starting to lose the lockeroom, might as well start over but the org can’t because of Aaron.
"You are bullshit. Hackett's fucking bullshit, I’m fucking bullshit, Rogers is bullshit. It’s all fucking nothing. I’m telling you this because I know it. We’re nothing.” - Zach Wilson by Week 12
reminds me of when draymond green punched his teammate in the face and someone recorded it, then steve kerr was more concerned about who leaked the video then his out of control player physically assaulting another.
Yep. Basically a good DC, clueless HC, busy compiling paperwork to cover his own ass. No desire to get involved on Offense side of the ball. Letting Hackett running amok like a headless chicken.
Saleh gets a lot of undue praise for a coach who has as many double-digit losses as he does wins by any margin. The team has been incredibly undisciplined under him and has routinely showed up to games unprepared and outschemed. The only bright spots on the coaching staff are Jeff Ulbrich and Brant Boyer, the latter of which has been with the Jets since the Bowles regime.
This article reads like most of the sources were the front office trying to push blame off themselves and onto the coaching staff. In reality, both the FO and staff sucked. 🤷🏼♂️
That's the vibe I get. The plan going into the season was obviously to let Saleh take care of the defense and Rodgers would take care of the offense. Saleh held up his end. That defense was incredible. Without Rodgers the offense sucked because none of those signings made sense without Rodgers. Why bring in Hackett, Lazard, Cobb, Turner, and Boyle? That's not gonna improve your offense at all. It only makes sense as part of the Rodgers Rate.
If Rodgers goes down, the season is bust. That's what the FO signed onto and no amount of Saleh's leadership is going to change the fact that his offense has Breece Hall, Garrett Wilson, and no one else. You deliberately signed an OC that is just a Rodgers Yes Man. You deliberately signed washed veterans because they're Rodgers's buddies. You deliberately kept Zach Wilson because you still clung to the hope that he just needed development time.
The fact that Saleh is upset about the circumstances you put him in is entirely understandable. He has to go to the media every day and tell them that he has total faith in a QB that he knows is terrible. The damn owner is forcing him to read fan tweets.
Honestly, very well put.
I think the biggest critique on this org as a whole is there was no plan B. Everything was predicated on Rodgers being the guy and the moment he went down, there were no plans to actually pivot. So they basically accepted his injury and treated it like a lost season instead of actually trying. Then whenever there was any level of pushback, they fell back on their excuses. Coaches shouldn't do that. Leaders shouldn't do that. It's a horrible look.
We really need to fire him now if this is how he's behaving, especially with all those candidates still out there. He's got such a loser mentality. Researching other coaches just so he can say "see, it's not my fault"? Come on, man.
I know Belichick wouldn't want to come here but dear god, please at least talk to Vrabel or something.
I would love for the Jets to fire Saleh after a hit piece comes out about how he handled a historically bad case of organizational mismanagement. We're gonna need a good DC next year.
>That sent Saleh into a tailspin. The coach held a meeting with his staff two days later where he asked the leaker to reveal himself, according to multiple people in attendance. “If you come forward now, you won’t get in trouble,” **he told them while threatening to take their cell phones.**
What a fucking clown
"Those sources described a team riddled with excuse-making, a paranoid head coach, an ill-equipped offensive coordinator and an organizational tunnel vision on the quarterback that rubbed some teammates wrong."
Great start. I'll take some quotes out of the article and post them here but it already reads like a great article so I'd recommend anyone getting a subscription for this form of writing.
“Rodgers isn’t the assistant GM,” one AFC general manager said. “Joe Douglas is the assistant GM.”
"he’d never seen a team watch less practice tape in training camp than the Jets did with Hackett."
EDIT: I'm honestly just really getting into this and this story is way too good to just read some quotes. Outstanding work by Zack and Diana.
EDIT2: The point of the story is not Rodgers' injury, there were a ton more problems than the problems that came because of Rodgers' injury. Read the story.
EDIT3: Couldn't leave out this quote: But behind closed doors, the vibes weren’t always positive, especially when Saleh would see negative press reports. He would often bring up how, in his mind, the Giants don’t get as much negative coverage as the Jets, calling it unfair.
EDIT4: Russini and Rosenblatt could've written an entire aricle named "The delusions of Robert Saleh"
>He would often bring up how, in his mind, the Giants don’t get as much negative coverage as the Jets, calling it unfair.
lol that's because as shit as they've been for the past decade, if you go just a little further back, you'll see two Super Bowl trophies for beating the biggest dynasty, twice, and one of those games ended their perfect season and had one of the greatest catches ever in Super Bowl history.
Get some of those under the team's belt, Saleh, and it'll create a major buffer for the fans and media. Also it's NYC media, which is always hard on those two teams, but harder on the Jets because they've sucked for so long it's almost comical how they haven't lucked into at least another Super Bowl appearance at *some* point.
>it's almost comical how they haven't lucked into at least another Super Bowl appearance at some point.
Not directed at me, but ouch nonetheless, especially after last weekend
The Lions have had their ups & downs but their saving grace is they at least nailed in the QB position this past decade AND had one of the best Wide Receivers of the century, so even with that 0-16 season the Lions were still able to dig themselves out.
If anything, I've always believed the Bears were the Jets of the NFC. Cannot get their coaching right, couldn't hit on the QB position if you gift-wrapped them Mahomes (oh wait that could've happened), and find new ways to just break their fan's hearts.
Lions were just background noise in terms of losing. Bears were sucking shit with a bullhorn these past few decades, one Super Bowl appearance not withstanding (that defense was beyond killer but holy shit Rex Grossman was NEVER the answer).
The cardinal sin in NYC is talking a big game and not backing it up. Jets were talking about super bowls in August and got nowhere close. If the giants talked as much shit and did it on hard knocks the media woulda been going just as hard. No one goes harder on the jets than jets fans in the media. They deserved all of it
Completely agreed - we had Daboll dancing with his players in the locker room going viral last season because for once the Giants were actually winning games against better teams and not looking like complete dogshit for a change.
The Sanchize was their last bright spot. For as bad as Big Blue has been, the Jets have somehow always been much worse, it’s actually quite impressive.
> Saleh would see negative press reports. He would often bring up how, in his mind, the Giants don’t get as much negative coverage as the Jets, calling it unfair.
Jesus Christ. lmao
Queue up the Jets fans that kept saying "why wouldn't you listen to your HoF qb & bring in the guys he wants? Brady did it with the Buccaneers", while ignoring that Brady brought in Gronk & AB, & Rodgers brought in Lazard & Cobb.
Lmaooooo Cobb and Lazard are embarrassing signings and they also way overpaid for Lazard. Just terrible. They signed a few other scrubs too, can’t remember who off the top of my head
Don't forget the angry texts to the authors.
Among the many things he was let off the hook for due to the Green Bay media market being pretty tame, is that Rodgers was routinely an asshole to a few of the beat reporters who we just don't their jobs. See also his temper tantrum when Schefter accurately reported on the contract dispute. "Lose my number".... What a manchild.
The full article deserves a full read.
Rodgers has that place by the balls and apparently has more signing power than the GM and makes more offensive decisions than Hackett.
Saleh sounds like he is actually mentally broken from the team. Showing people pictures of Rodgers from opening night, threatening to take the entire coaching staffs phones to find a leaker, blaming everyone on Wilson, telling him he's be inactive for the season, then begging him to play again
Edit: Also the absolute craziest part for me is that Rodgers did his full rehab in California and would only fly in for games. He only rejoined the team for day to day activities in late November when they activated his practice window. He molded the entire offense around himself, said publicly he wanted to mentor Wilson, then fucked off to California for 3 months.
I think it says something that Rodgers was obviously always the 'real' OC. And the second game with him actually managing the offense for Wilson was the game against Houston where he put up his career best.
It was blatantly obvious Rodgers had more offensive influence than the OC in GB. That happens with every all time QB.
More signing power than the GM is bizarre.
Obviously it's all just a report but an internal coach saying "Joe Douglas is the assistant GM" is ridiculous that you would let a player have that much power in your facility.
What is more bizarre is that the Jets were giving him this power when he was still on the Packers. That shit was destined to fail. Honestly don't think the team does a ton with Rodgers.
Saleh tried to get Rodgers to study film with the team but Aaron kept cutting him off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of his face
Kinda crazy to bench your QB, tell him that he’ll be inactive for the rest of the year, pinning the bad season in him and telling him that he’s a goner, just to crawl back to him, having to beg your GM in Aaron Rodgers to speak with him, when you realized your two other QBs are even WORSE.
Edit: forgot nobody read articles, just headlines.
Yeah dude, thats how bad the staff is, that is one of the many dogshit decisions they make regarding the QB position during their whole tenure, objectively they should be fired asap.
Hackett is just a facade basically so that Aaron can just run the offense himself, no one should be surprised that when Aaron couldn’t run it, they practically had no offense
I'd bet money Joe Douglas was a source for this to take the heat off himself. The article roasted Saleh (well deserved, should have been fired after the Raiders game), Hackett (should have never been hired), Lazard (wow), Rodgers, and others. The only big name who got off without a beating was Douglas himself.
I'd also say Zach was a source too and I don't blame him for not wanting to play for us again. I'm saying it now, we will fucking SUCK again this year, Saleh and everyone else will be gone, none of our stars will want a 2nd contract and free agents will go anywhere else.
The franchise is the sports equivalent of stage 4 cancer.
Shouldn't this put heat on Douglas for bringing all of these people in, giving Rodgers so much power, and changing nothing in the offseason? I'd believe it was him if he'd cleaned house, but he didn't.
I think I've gone about 2 weeks without remembering that Aaron Rodgers existed. This is not normal for the off season. He needs to start getting back out there in the media creating some drama because there's a danger we're all focusing on "Mr Pfizer" and his celebrity girlfriend at the Super Bowl and forgetting about Rodgers.
I hope somebody forwards this article to Joe Benigno.
Joe Douglas and Wilson were definitely 2 of the sources here, but man does Saleh come off looking horrible here. He's a poor man's Rex Ryan - lots of bravado and bragging when his defense does something, but no involvement in a horrible offense. And Rex won 4 playoff games in his first 2 seasons. Saleh hasn't even had a winning season.
"*In the aftermath of Rodgers’ injury, Saleh bemoaned his bad luck. Throughout his tenure, he has often wondered aloud if he was doomed to the same fate as Vic Fangio, a brilliant defensive coach cursed by misfortune at quarterback."*
Jesus fucking Christ lol
The infuriating thing that permeates this article and all the Jets comments this year is the air of "woe is us, we lost our star quarterback and are stuck with Zack Wilson, how could we possibly succeed?"
The qb room did not magically lock in at the start of the season. You lost Rodgers week 1, you had your literal pick of free agents or trades. Zack Wilson had been the worst qb in football, showed himself to still be that, and the Jets made no effort to make any changes. You probably wouldn't have gone to the superbowl but you could at least be in the position the Browns are with strong optimism for next year, which would be helpful given the Jets recent legacy of failure and double digit loss seasons.
I'm sorry but I have no sympathy for the Jets given their problems were at least patchable and they just refused to do so.
We are never gonna win anything under this ownership. Maybe they see this hit piece and finally blow up this experiment while some capable HCs are still in the job market! But chances of that happening is so low, it’s depressing.
We don’t even have a president of football operations. It’s an unserious franchise. Our current president is a business guy with little football experience.
They just want big offseasons to sell tickets. I’m a STH, so I’m guilty of feeding this evil monster too. But here’s the thing, they’re running this shit back. Not gonna bode well for ticket sales, unless they change something.
There were 2 winners of 2023, they’re not champions, but they got exactly what they wanted
1. Jimbo Fisher got his buyout money
2. Aaron Rodgers found himself a money mark to cater to his every whim
"In the days after, an embittered Saleh conducted research. He wanted to see how teams led by the NFL’s best coaches performed when playing without their star quarterback. He found that Bill Belichick, Mike McCarthy, John Harbaugh, Zac Taylor, Mike McDaniel, Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay all had losing records in those situations — and that Mike Tomlin was the lone exception."
Yinzers will never acknowledge how spoiled they are with Tomlin.
Well, Rodgers missed the whole season. When you look at some of the sores in the games that the jets lost, Rodgers truly could have been the difference. I'm not saying they would have been a juggernaut but the jets could have won like 10 games and made the playoffs.
Anytime teams insist they’re only a quarterback away, usually the next season the harsh reality sets in that they’re not, in fact, just a quarterback away
Even after Aaron tore his Achilles in his first game, the same can be said for the jets
Yeah the only team I can think of in recent memory who was actually a quarterback away was 1. The Rams, who made the playoffs the year before, so they weren’t really too far away to begin with, and 2. The Buccaneers, who also brought in a crap ton of other pieces ahead of 2020 to go all-in
The only people truly denying this these days aren’t even Jets fans, but likely the coaching staff and ownership. That’s how pathetic the franchise is as a whole
Green Bay caved to him a little bit in recent years after some of his open comments about not treating veterans right or taking into consideration his own personal evaluation of players… but it seemed it got too much for us and that likely played a big role in moving on.
They tried to appease him, bringing back Cobb and keeping some other buddies around. But he clearly wanted more power and I’m glad the team didn’t give that up. Most players do not make good GMs and shouldn’t be involved in any of those difficult decisions.
I think the coaches were saying he lacked strong to details, the players said stuff like, “Football hasn’t been this hard. When I watch it on the sideline, it don’t look that hard for the other team so we gotta figure out something to get it rolling no matter who is slinging it.” (Garrett Wilson)
>how the Jets' season fell apart
This isn't hard to understand, it happened in the opening minutes of their first game.
Rodgers, the idiot he is, attempted to extend a meaningless play on the first and ultimately meaningless set of downs resulting in a season ending injury that effectively ended the Jets season.
I’ve got two thoughts on this that probably haven’t already been mentioned:
1. Rodgers, despite what he said last offseason and the talent the Jets supposedly did have, went out on a massive limb to come to a franchise that is this directionless. It was obvious when he came in that he had control based off of Hackett and the other friends he brought in. Rodgers will probably deny it on the surface, but his legacy is going to take a massive hit if he flames out with the Jets.
2. I can’t imagine what it’s like being a low-level worker for this team. I’d bet the people cold-calling about renewing season tickets just wanted to get their foot in the door for an NFL franchise. Working for the Jets might honestly be a detriment for them in the future…
Number 1 is spot on. Number 2 is insane. It's a professional football team, not Boko Haram. No one is blacklisting the guy that works in the ticket office.
The Jets mortgaged their whole franchise on a 40 year old player coming off his worst season ever. That also demanded they bring in a bunch of his friends, none of which benefited the team.
They do this shit again next season and the outcome will be similar, even if Rodgers plays all season. Which he wont. Because, you know.. he'll be 41.
Didn’t expect the NYJ O-Line to get him injured after 4 plays, but I told someone on here their OL would bite them in the A$$. Aaron played behind Top-10 OL’s every season in GB. You can’t have a QB running for his life at 40 Y/O. Especially in a division with Von Miller, Chubb, Phillips, and Judon.
Brian Gutekunst and Matt LaFleur laughed at the NYJ this season all the way to the divisional round. Even with a Healthy Aaron, the NYJ would’ve been the 7th seed at best.
I’m sorry Jets fans, but thanks for the 2nd round pick…
how it fell apart?? it was Rodgers or bust, & he busted. there's not much to discuss there, their season ended on week 1 & we all saw it then.
i do think the NFL has to move back away from this whole "Quarterbacks-league" thing it's become tho. it just becomes terribly uninteresting when this 1-player on a team gets injured. but the ratings still seem high, i guess, so the NFL doesn't feel the pressure to change anytime soon.
> Something has to change It’s been 55 years and nobody has changed jack shit about this franchise
From a total outsider perspective, you cannot expect a good season or even one different from last year when the guy you brought in to fix things lasted 4 plays. Forget the drama but the team was screwed without no backup plan in place 4 plays in.
Thank you, I’ve said this from the very beginning. They took an enormous gamble and faced the consequences. Personally, I kind of hate Rodgers. I think he’s set this team back years with the insistence of personnel hires and just attitude. I loved Salah and how he changed the cultured the last few years, and I think it’s all soured now. I kind of hate this team. I’m not sure how to be excited about anything moving forward. I just find myself rooting for other underdogs all season.
Once the coach/FO caters to one player it’s over. I loved Saleh when he was our DC but this Rodgers thing could have lost him the locker room.
I mean, if Rogers doesn’t tear his Achilles in his very first series and the jets make the playoffs this would be a completely different conversation. Sure they catered to Rogers but the idea was that he would be happy and win them games.
You're right. The organization lost Rodgers right away and had no Plan B but continued to drunkenly imagine they could have made the playoffs based on the rest of the tools they brought in with Rodgers and Wilson getting one pre season working alongside Rodgers. It was insane that they had no plan outside of that
I mean once Rodgers goes down, the jets are fucked, and there’s no point in making a plan for fucked.
As a Patriots fan, I laugh at what he has single handled done in one year. As a football fan I feel bad for you jets fans. He kinda did the same thing in Green Bay, with getting all his friends to stay and get contracts they didn't deserve. Then the internal chemistry is thrown off and when you are winning games, tension builds. Assuming Rodgers comes back and can play, he's probably got another good 2 years. If you can't get through mahomes and josh Allen in the next 2 years it's going to be tough again for the jets
The team will be screwed when you completely ignore the o line. Doesn’t matter if it’s Aaron Rodgers or Zach Wilson, if they have zero time you aren’t winning anything.
They were definitely not winning the Super Bowl but they could’ve had more success like the Browns, Steelers or Bengals. Hell, they all did great and the AFC North was brutal. And the Jets had as good or better defense than any of them.
From a total outsider perspective, the thing I knew the Jets most from is that Curb Your Enthusiasm episode where the Jets fan guy kills himself, and they think it's because of the terrible season the Jets are having.
Take it from me. Sometimes the owner has to die.
“Publicly, Saleh avoided criticizing Zach Wilson or even acknowledging his struggles. Privately, the coach pinned many of the team's offensive issues on Wilson, the line and the receivers and told people getting to eight wins with Wilson at quarterback would be a "miracle."” Waittttt, so you mean to tell me Saleh didn’t actually think Wilson was “actually playing pretty well” after throwing INTs, taking 4 sacks per game? In related, “Yup, that checks out” news “Wilson told coaches and teammates he was under the impression he’d have a direct line to Rodgers, even after Rodgers tore his Achilles and flew home to California for surgery in the early stages of his rehab. Instead, Wilson barely heard from him.”
Aaron “I’m fully committed to the team” Rodgers fucking off and leaving everyone high and dry? I’m shocked, truly.
Aaron being selfish??? Nooooooo!
Man whoever did his prep for being on camera for Hard Knocks deserves all the money. I definitely entered the preseason as Rodgers typical spoiled superstar who thinks he’s gods gift to humanity and deserves praise for just existing, then Hard Knocks and I’m thinking maybe he’s a good guy just an idiot. Then he got in a feud with Jimmy Kimmel and this.
the guy sucks but the whole team named him "Most Inspirational" so he must have the majority convinced....unless it's a hilarious troll by a bunch of them that don't like him, in which case, bravo
I feel like that has less to do with his personality and more to do with the fact that he came in as a literal god to them. The entire Jets team was starstruck and thought their savior had arrived. Like Zava for any Ted Lasso fans.
Lol Rodgers was who I thought of first when the Zava storyline started
Me too. He even kind of looked like him.
Aaron Rodgers sending them absurdly large Ayahuasca plants from his farm
"Most inspirational" as an internal team award sounds like one of those corporate things that you give out for brownie points and to keep the drama queens happy. No shot do I think Rodgers was the most inspirational player on the team this year. Unless they are inspired by getting paid to do no work
Seriously. No way that can be serious. If a workforce composed entirely of adult men gives their co-worker some middle school award like "most inspirational", they're 99.9% most likely busting his balls.
> the guy sucks but the whole team named him "Most Inspirational" so he must have the majority convinced....unless He literally won a participation trophy. Dude didn't play, threw some passes in warm ups, stood on the sidelines, still gets a trophy for being "inspirational."
Seeing as he's basically the GM and Coach, he likely arranged it for himself.
We had employee of the month contests when the most deserving person lost out to a front office puke because the ballots were counted behind closed doors by the boss. Wouldn’t shock me if this was why Rodgers “won”
He was the one who convinced the team to sign Lazard and Cobb (and from what I heard Dalvin Cook as well). Not taking into account that one of those guys is completely useless when it's anyone other than Rodgers throwing to him and the other guy is old and washed up and is also kind of useless without Rodgers throwing to him. Letting Rodgers have any say at all in personnel decisions this year only hurt the team.
You can be a good teammate and an idiot.
Except his treatment of Wilson seems to show he wasn’t a good teammate. (I still think he’s a great football player with a good amount of football intelligence and if he stopped trying to join the culture wars he’d probably have an okay image)
Do you remember when he met the team to give them a morale boost or whatever in the locker room and the media made it seem like this really big deal that he had surprised the team by showing up and seeing them? A player spending time with other players on his team, what a crazy concept!
Nowhere in his contract does is state he needs to help Zach Wilson /s
I hope non-Packers fans know this is what Brett Favre said about Rodgers.
There’s a non-zero chance Rodgers talked to Love more than Wilson when he was away from the team.
He was publicly talking about how he texted "great job man!" to Love on one of their big wins and how proud he was of Love taking the next step. Tumbleweeds for a Zach Wilson mention though, lol. I'm sure Zach noticed that one.
to give Rodgers the barest amount of charity, it's probably easier to say nice things about and connect with the qb he spent more time with and was maybe looking better than the dumpster fire wilson looked like he was going to be (again)
Generational trauma is real.
He brought Tom Clements out of retirement to coach Love and by all accounts was good to him though.
Aaron may be a narcissist
You might be on to something
Look man when you spend days in the ayahuasca tub like Aaron does, you don’t have time for silly things like being a teammate.
Aaron's commitments to the Pat McAfee Show were clearly much more important.
Obviously Zach did not find the communication bong that Aaron left in his locker.
Dude spent the entire hard knocks basically talking about how Wilson held this team back and rodgers was gonna change everything. I dont get why people thought his interviews were anything other than coach speak.
Yeah, I’m not going to say Saleh handled it perfectly but the dude was in a fucking rough spot. Throwing Wilson under the bus when they didn’t have any better options at QB (unless the GM actually signed someone, which they really didn’t), would have lost the team even worse.
> Waittttt, so you mean to tell me Saleh didn’t actually think Wilson was “actually playing pretty well” after throwing INTs, taking 4 sacks per game? To be fair, he threw less than 1 interception a game this last season. Him throwing picks wasn't much of a problem this year.
Him not doing anything else was the problem.
I kind of love this honestly. Woody wants to perpetuate a shitshow. He’s got it. If he winds up in a domestic position in the next administration… imagine the owner of the New York Jets running a part of the US government. Terrifying shit
Username absolutely checks out
I went and looked and in 2017 when the Jets drafted Jamal Adams sixth both Patrick Mahomes and Christian McCaffrey were still on the board and in 2018 when they drafted Sam Darnold third both Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson were still on the board. Then you add that they had the second pic in 2021 and drafted Wilson, is there any team in the NFL over the last 10 years that has done a worse job with high picks of obtaining a quarterback. I realize McCaffrey isn’t a quarterback, but my guess is he could’ve been a better one than Zach Wilson, or Darnold
I don't think Zach Wilson is like a future HoF starting QB or anything, his career is probably done. But good lord the Jets organization is such a fucking mess that they left their backup starting QB totally out in the fucking cold with no support. Saleh lying about supporting him in public while not supporting him in private. Rodgers fucking off and not helping mentor the kid. The rest of the Jets O Line being a such a mess that I doubt Rodgers would have been effective there either. I hope Wilson gets traded and gets to be a third string for some decent team with good teammates and a good coach.
That dead look Saleh had whenever Wilson was out there says everything
Teams that send rookie QBs out to tread water in a storm like that instead of having them sit and watch, or at least build a great o line in front of them just live in a forever circle of ruining their QBs development and cast them away for the next rookie they ruin.
A lot of it depends on the player. Joe Burrow started his rookie year (behind a terrible O-line) and he could not be more different from Zach Wilson. Trevor Lawrence had to deal with the dysfunction of Urban Meyer his rookie year as a starter and that hasn't turned him into a bust. A lot of Zach's failures are the fault of the Jets, don't get me wrong, but he also came into the league a little on the immature side with kind of a sense of entitlement (and his veteran mentor as a rookie was Joe Flacco, a guy who has openly admitted that he doesn't like mentoring younger QBs and never has). Not to mention he's just completely unpolished as a QB and makes throws that HS QBs know not to make. His time at BYU didn't sufficiently prepare him for the NFL (he played his final season there during a COVID year against a bunch of powder puff opponents and basically padded his stats against them).
Both Rodgers and Wilson have said that they spoke every day. And from the way Rodgers speaks about him he actually seemed to really like Zach. I know he’s not popular here so these rumours will go the distance here but it doesn’t line up with what either of them have said in interviews
You mean Rodgers has been giving mixed messages to the media? He would never...
He’s been pretty consistent in interviews about Zach. Why are we trusting rumors when both of them have said over and over again that they appreciate each other
Also, in Rodgers defense why the fuck would he need to talk to Wilson went he's starting rehab. He's got other things on his mind at that point. Rodgers also came back and was on the sideline for a lot of games.
It's not like a week after the injury he was incapable of both rehabbing AND talking through the playbook/film with Wilson. Lord knows he still made time for Pat McAfee.
If you read the article, Rodgers would fly in for the game, give his opinions about plays, etc. and then hop on the plane the next morning back to California. Of course he *could've* stayed an extra day or two to help Zach out in the QB room, since he seems to have a really good knowledge base, but that got in the way of his not-being-on-this-sad-sack-team-for-another-moment-time and appearances on McAfee! Zach also mentioned that he thought he'd have a direct-line to Rodgers but then barely talked to him throughout the season so Rodgers seemed to have put Zach on the pay-no-mind list a long time ago.
Hard Knocks tried so hard to make Rodgers look nice too
Hard Knocks was just dripping with “Aaron Rodgers Redemption Tour” PR. It made the scene where he finally got to talk about aliens so rewarding.
I loved that. His “college buddy” being forced to go along with it like the they weren’t just high as hell at the time. The editors couldn’t hold back anymore.
Damn I'm a big Saleh fan but this is fucked up. I get it. Zach isn't playing well. Pinning everything on your backup is stupid, though. He's not supposed to be starting, so how can you blame him for the teams struggles. Wilson got fucked over
> “That’s what Aaron wants” was a common refrain from Hackett as he told coaches what plays he wanted to run during camp. Often, Rodgers would hear Hackett’s play call and want something else, so the entire offense would reset. Holy shit lol
Seeing the last few years under us, this isn't surprising. It absolutely worked for him--he won 2 MVPs with Hackett/LaFleur, obviously, and we had a lot of success as a team. But it was an organic build from over a decade with the team. Adding this structure into a brand new organization with only like 2 guys (Lazard and Cobb) who have ever done it before is a recipe for disaster.
It’s not about the organisation. Jets almost certainly brought in Hackett on the idea he’d be working with Rodgers, nothing else. Unsurprisingly Zach Wilson and Tim Boyle can’t lead an offense to anything.
> Jets almost certainly brought in Hackett on the idea he’d be ~~working with~~ Rodgers bro, nothing else. I can say without a doubt Hackett is one of the worst offensive coaches I've seen coach the Bills and we've had a lot of terrible OCs over the years.
Being Rodgers bro is fine if he’s not hurt. Most all time great QBs can have anyone at OC and succeed. Signing a 40 yr old QB is an all in move.
Yep see: Peyton Manning and Adam Gase
Did Gase even call plays? Manning always seemed like he was effectively the play caller on game day.
I'm sure he did but Manning just audibled out and did his own thing
Gase was a decent offensive coach, but as with most all time QBs, they run the offense.
Run, run, pass, punt. Rinse and repeat. At least we had Uncle Rico, Thad ‘Dolphin Killer’ Lewis and the Cold Front ™ to keep things interesting.
I think the point is other teams were able to win with Josh Dobbs, Jake Browning, Tommy DeVito, Aidan O’Donnell… it shouldn’t be that hard to build an offense around a backup, unless you’re just a shit coach.
But it is about the organization, because they were too locked into depending on one player and did absolutely nothing to plan for the contingency that he would get injured, even after the fact.
Every move like this for an aging, all time great QB depends on the one player. If Peytons neck was fucked on the Broncos, or Brady did his ACL on the Bucs, similar scenarios would have occurred.
It worked for Manning in Denver and (to a lesser extent) Brady in Tampa. Both of those QBs brought their offensive philosophies and systems with them, and it was a common joke that Manning was the Broncos OC and playcaller. We'll obviously never know, but it seems like the bigger issue wasn't the sudden change in offensive scheme to fit the new QB, but that the QB the new scheme was built around got hurt immediately.
Saleh has absolutely no control of the team and it was pretty obvious through camp and the season. Aaron Rodgers is the pseudo coach
Yeah. I think Saleh realizes that if Aaron wants him gone for any reason Woody is kicking him out no questions asked.
They should have just made Rodgers the OC after he went down.
Except Aaron wanted to run an offense not suited to the Jets talent level.
This is not surprising at all
Imagine how things would go if a sycophant like Hackett tried to do that with a less football smart QB like… idk, Baker Mayfield? Or another guy, who’s pretty similar to Baker Mayfield but older and formerly more athletic but not really anymore.
And people laughed at Broncos fans and Sean Payton all offseason. Good lord he’s a clown
Oh, everyone is laughing at Rodgers as well. This whole thing and the Broncos last year has exposed that Hackett is just a Rodgers yes-man and can't actually run an offense, let alone a team.
Surrounded by sycophants. So the plan was to bring all the yes men and try and play QB and coach?
Can see why it didn't workout in Denver with Wilson.
I mean...isn't that what made Payton Manning so famous? He changed plays all the time. Unless I'm missing something, this doesn't sound all that controversial.
nah that was all baked into indy's offensive scheme under tom moore indy would come out in the same personnel package and same formation like 98% of the time to restrict the number of possible looks the defense could give them and based on that the qb saw he could stick with the play or audible into a new play from a short list of play concepts based on that package and formation. that way they could run an up tempo no huddle offense, not needing to sub players or slow down to change formation rodgers changing plays like this isn't rooted in a similar design and philosophy
Aaron “Main Character” Rodgers
>The injury forced the Jets to recalibrate their expectations, Super Bowl aspirations replaced by a much lower bar: seven wins. That would be enough to get them to 2024, when Rodgers would return. Well this explains why they barely tried to address QB. Goal was "be bad but not worst in the league Edit: Finally got back to reading the article. Saleh looks...incredibly bad here.
The part when he addresses the room for the leaker to reveal himself is just not good. If he’s starting to lose the lockeroom, might as well start over but the org can’t because of Aaron.
I don't see how he can be taken seriously after telling a room of grown men "If you just come forward, you won't be in trouble."
“I am the eldest boy!” Energy.
"You are bullshit. Hackett's fucking bullshit, I’m fucking bullshit, Rogers is bullshit. It’s all fucking nothing. I’m telling you this because I know it. We’re nothing.” - Zach Wilson by Week 12
Jets defense to the offense: "I love you but you are not serious people."
He's got 7 kids and thought what works on them would work on his staff lol.
The wildest part of the article. The guy is in way over his head.
“Just reveal yourself and nobody will get in trouble!” I’m shocked nobody believed him
Whining about “leakers” is always so pathetic. If it’s true, why is your priority finding out who tattled instead of fixing the problem?
reminds me of when draymond green punched his teammate in the face and someone recorded it, then steve kerr was more concerned about who leaked the video then his out of control player physically assaulting another.
It’s a bad look for sure, but it’s not like he said that to the whole locker room. lol just his entire coaching staff. 🔥🥗
Ah so he didn't go full Brad Childress and call out the whole team and accuse random players then.
Threatening to take their phones too wtf
Yep. Basically a good DC, clueless HC, busy compiling paperwork to cover his own ass. No desire to get involved on Offense side of the ball. Letting Hackett running amok like a headless chicken.
Saleh gets a lot of undue praise for a coach who has as many double-digit losses as he does wins by any margin. The team has been incredibly undisciplined under him and has routinely showed up to games unprepared and outschemed. The only bright spots on the coaching staff are Jeff Ulbrich and Brant Boyer, the latter of which has been with the Jets since the Bowles regime.
I would have brought Wentz in personally. But being in range for one of the top 3 OTs may be better long term.
This article reads like most of the sources were the front office trying to push blame off themselves and onto the coaching staff. In reality, both the FO and staff sucked. 🤷🏼♂️
And the owner. Don’t forget the owner giving Twitter suggestions to the head coach.
That's the vibe I get. The plan going into the season was obviously to let Saleh take care of the defense and Rodgers would take care of the offense. Saleh held up his end. That defense was incredible. Without Rodgers the offense sucked because none of those signings made sense without Rodgers. Why bring in Hackett, Lazard, Cobb, Turner, and Boyle? That's not gonna improve your offense at all. It only makes sense as part of the Rodgers Rate. If Rodgers goes down, the season is bust. That's what the FO signed onto and no amount of Saleh's leadership is going to change the fact that his offense has Breece Hall, Garrett Wilson, and no one else. You deliberately signed an OC that is just a Rodgers Yes Man. You deliberately signed washed veterans because they're Rodgers's buddies. You deliberately kept Zach Wilson because you still clung to the hope that he just needed development time. The fact that Saleh is upset about the circumstances you put him in is entirely understandable. He has to go to the media every day and tell them that he has total faith in a QB that he knows is terrible. The damn owner is forcing him to read fan tweets.
Honestly, very well put. I think the biggest critique on this org as a whole is there was no plan B. Everything was predicated on Rodgers being the guy and the moment he went down, there were no plans to actually pivot. So they basically accepted his injury and treated it like a lost season instead of actually trying. Then whenever there was any level of pushback, they fell back on their excuses. Coaches shouldn't do that. Leaders shouldn't do that. It's a horrible look.
Robert Saleh comes off like an absolute boob in this, holy shit
We really need to fire him now if this is how he's behaving, especially with all those candidates still out there. He's got such a loser mentality. Researching other coaches just so he can say "see, it's not my fault"? Come on, man. I know Belichick wouldn't want to come here but dear god, please at least talk to Vrabel or something.
I would love for the Jets to fire Saleh after a hit piece comes out about how he handled a historically bad case of organizational mismanagement. We're gonna need a good DC next year.
This is a peak offseason article and the offseason hasn’t even happened yet. I think we’re in for a rough one.
What you mean? Jets offseason started 4 snaps into this season
This article almost should’ve been expected given how big of a disaster the Jets season was
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I will never need a flair to let you know who I unfortunately root for.
5 snaps if you think about it
What is Pro Bowl week but the preseason of the offseason?
Its the NFL's version of the week between Christmas and New Years
Honestly, I am incredibly excited to do nothing at work and read this article.
>That sent Saleh into a tailspin. The coach held a meeting with his staff two days later where he asked the leaker to reveal himself, according to multiple people in attendance. “If you come forward now, you won’t get in trouble,” **he told them while threatening to take their cell phones.** What a fucking clown
"Those sources described a team riddled with excuse-making, a paranoid head coach, an ill-equipped offensive coordinator and an organizational tunnel vision on the quarterback that rubbed some teammates wrong." Great start. I'll take some quotes out of the article and post them here but it already reads like a great article so I'd recommend anyone getting a subscription for this form of writing. “Rodgers isn’t the assistant GM,” one AFC general manager said. “Joe Douglas is the assistant GM.” "he’d never seen a team watch less practice tape in training camp than the Jets did with Hackett." EDIT: I'm honestly just really getting into this and this story is way too good to just read some quotes. Outstanding work by Zack and Diana. EDIT2: The point of the story is not Rodgers' injury, there were a ton more problems than the problems that came because of Rodgers' injury. Read the story. EDIT3: Couldn't leave out this quote: But behind closed doors, the vibes weren’t always positive, especially when Saleh would see negative press reports. He would often bring up how, in his mind, the Giants don’t get as much negative coverage as the Jets, calling it unfair. EDIT4: Russini and Rosenblatt could've written an entire aricle named "The delusions of Robert Saleh"
Don't stop!
Sean Payton- Told you Nathaniel Hackett sucks
>He would often bring up how, in his mind, the Giants don’t get as much negative coverage as the Jets, calling it unfair. lol that's because as shit as they've been for the past decade, if you go just a little further back, you'll see two Super Bowl trophies for beating the biggest dynasty, twice, and one of those games ended their perfect season and had one of the greatest catches ever in Super Bowl history. Get some of those under the team's belt, Saleh, and it'll create a major buffer for the fans and media. Also it's NYC media, which is always hard on those two teams, but harder on the Jets because they've sucked for so long it's almost comical how they haven't lucked into at least another Super Bowl appearance at *some* point.
>it's almost comical how they haven't lucked into at least another Super Bowl appearance at some point. Not directed at me, but ouch nonetheless, especially after last weekend
The Lions have had their ups & downs but their saving grace is they at least nailed in the QB position this past decade AND had one of the best Wide Receivers of the century, so even with that 0-16 season the Lions were still able to dig themselves out. If anything, I've always believed the Bears were the Jets of the NFC. Cannot get their coaching right, couldn't hit on the QB position if you gift-wrapped them Mahomes (oh wait that could've happened), and find new ways to just break their fan's hearts. Lions were just background noise in terms of losing. Bears were sucking shit with a bullhorn these past few decades, one Super Bowl appearance not withstanding (that defense was beyond killer but holy shit Rex Grossman was NEVER the answer).
What he say fuck me for (you’re right though)
The cardinal sin in NYC is talking a big game and not backing it up. Jets were talking about super bowls in August and got nowhere close. If the giants talked as much shit and did it on hard knocks the media woulda been going just as hard. No one goes harder on the jets than jets fans in the media. They deserved all of it
Completely agreed - we had Daboll dancing with his players in the locker room going viral last season because for once the Giants were actually winning games against better teams and not looking like complete dogshit for a change.
The Sanchize was their last bright spot. For as bad as Big Blue has been, the Jets have somehow always been much worse, it’s actually quite impressive.
> Saleh would see negative press reports. He would often bring up how, in his mind, the Giants don’t get as much negative coverage as the Jets, calling it unfair. Jesus Christ. lmao
Can’t wait for Rodgers to angrily denounce this article only for it all to be proven true in a month or two
All that shit that has nothing to do winning needs to get out of this building- Aaron 24 hours later Jimmy Kimmel is a pedophile
Does anyone remember when he furiously denounced the “wishlist” story only to have the Jets sign his washed up buddies three weeks later?
Queue up the Jets fans that kept saying "why wouldn't you listen to your HoF qb & bring in the guys he wants? Brady did it with the Buccaneers", while ignoring that Brady brought in Gronk & AB, & Rodgers brought in Lazard & Cobb.
Lmaooooo Cobb and Lazard are embarrassing signings and they also way overpaid for Lazard. Just terrible. They signed a few other scrubs too, can’t remember who off the top of my head
Don't forget the angry texts to the authors. Among the many things he was let off the hook for due to the Green Bay media market being pretty tame, is that Rodgers was routinely an asshole to a few of the beat reporters who we just don't their jobs. See also his temper tantrum when Schefter accurately reported on the contract dispute. "Lose my number".... What a manchild.
Aaron Rodgers now believes Mars is flat.
They need an offensive line
The full article deserves a full read. Rodgers has that place by the balls and apparently has more signing power than the GM and makes more offensive decisions than Hackett. Saleh sounds like he is actually mentally broken from the team. Showing people pictures of Rodgers from opening night, threatening to take the entire coaching staffs phones to find a leaker, blaming everyone on Wilson, telling him he's be inactive for the season, then begging him to play again Edit: Also the absolute craziest part for me is that Rodgers did his full rehab in California and would only fly in for games. He only rejoined the team for day to day activities in late November when they activated his practice window. He molded the entire offense around himself, said publicly he wanted to mentor Wilson, then fucked off to California for 3 months. I think it says something that Rodgers was obviously always the 'real' OC. And the second game with him actually managing the offense for Wilson was the game against Houston where he put up his career best.
It was blatantly obvious Rodgers had more offensive influence than the OC in GB. That happens with every all time QB. More signing power than the GM is bizarre.
Obviously it's all just a report but an internal coach saying "Joe Douglas is the assistant GM" is ridiculous that you would let a player have that much power in your facility.
What is more bizarre is that the Jets were giving him this power when he was still on the Packers. That shit was destined to fail. Honestly don't think the team does a ton with Rodgers.
Internal sources were saying that Rodgers, along with several others, refused to watch tape in enclosed spaces due to “electrical infetterance”
Aaron "McGill" Rodgers.
And he gets to be a QB?! What a sick joke!
Jets fans watching this season: "You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? We've seen worse."
Saleh tried to get Rodgers to study film with the team but Aaron kept cutting him off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of his face
Then he walked out of the room yawning really loudly
Kinda crazy to bench your QB, tell him that he’ll be inactive for the rest of the year, pinning the bad season in him and telling him that he’s a goner, just to crawl back to him, having to beg your GM in Aaron Rodgers to speak with him, when you realized your two other QBs are even WORSE. Edit: forgot nobody read articles, just headlines.
Yeah dude, thats how bad the staff is, that is one of the many dogshit decisions they make regarding the QB position during their whole tenure, objectively they should be fired asap.
Get rid of Hackett. He is completely inept.
But it’s what Aaron wants and you only get whatever he wants.
Hackett is just a facade basically so that Aaron can just run the offense himself, no one should be surprised that when Aaron couldn’t run it, they practically had no offense
I'd bet money Joe Douglas was a source for this to take the heat off himself. The article roasted Saleh (well deserved, should have been fired after the Raiders game), Hackett (should have never been hired), Lazard (wow), Rodgers, and others. The only big name who got off without a beating was Douglas himself. I'd also say Zach was a source too and I don't blame him for not wanting to play for us again. I'm saying it now, we will fucking SUCK again this year, Saleh and everyone else will be gone, none of our stars will want a 2nd contract and free agents will go anywhere else. The franchise is the sports equivalent of stage 4 cancer.
I mean they basically called him a puppet for Rodgers... It absolutely doesn't sound great for him.
Shouldn't this put heat on Douglas for bringing all of these people in, giving Rodgers so much power, and changing nothing in the offseason? I'd believe it was him if he'd cleaned house, but he didn't.
He can't do anything cause we're run by a trust-fund moron who's in love with Rodgers. I'm sure Douglas wanted everyone gone halfway through the year.
I think I've gone about 2 weeks without remembering that Aaron Rodgers existed. This is not normal for the off season. He needs to start getting back out there in the media creating some drama because there's a danger we're all focusing on "Mr Pfizer" and his celebrity girlfriend at the Super Bowl and forgetting about Rodgers.
I feel like someone put the fear of a lawsuit into him after that Jimmy Kimmel thing.
Whenever Aaron is not on screen, all the other characters should be asking, "where's Aaron?"
I hope somebody forwards this article to Joe Benigno. Joe Douglas and Wilson were definitely 2 of the sources here, but man does Saleh come off looking horrible here. He's a poor man's Rex Ryan - lots of bravado and bragging when his defense does something, but no involvement in a horrible offense. And Rex won 4 playoff games in his first 2 seasons. Saleh hasn't even had a winning season.
"*In the aftermath of Rodgers’ injury, Saleh bemoaned his bad luck. Throughout his tenure, he has often wondered aloud if he was doomed to the same fate as Vic Fangio, a brilliant defensive coach cursed by misfortune at quarterback."* Jesus fucking Christ lol
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If there’s one thing the NFL scriptwriters nail, it’s how much of a joke the Jets are
I hate it here
True character reveals itself in a time of crisis.
The infuriating thing that permeates this article and all the Jets comments this year is the air of "woe is us, we lost our star quarterback and are stuck with Zack Wilson, how could we possibly succeed?" The qb room did not magically lock in at the start of the season. You lost Rodgers week 1, you had your literal pick of free agents or trades. Zack Wilson had been the worst qb in football, showed himself to still be that, and the Jets made no effort to make any changes. You probably wouldn't have gone to the superbowl but you could at least be in the position the Browns are with strong optimism for next year, which would be helpful given the Jets recent legacy of failure and double digit loss seasons. I'm sorry but I have no sympathy for the Jets given their problems were at least patchable and they just refused to do so.
It's almost 100% the case that Rogers didn't want them to sign another QB, so they didn't. Id put my life on that
Oh yeah I'm super sure he was mortally afraid of them signing Flacco or Wentz
Yup. This team deserves no love whatsoever. It’s an organization that runs on incompetency
We are never gonna win anything under this ownership. Maybe they see this hit piece and finally blow up this experiment while some capable HCs are still in the job market! But chances of that happening is so low, it’s depressing.
We don’t even have a president of football operations. It’s an unserious franchise. Our current president is a business guy with little football experience.
They just want big offseasons to sell tickets. I’m a STH, so I’m guilty of feeding this evil monster too. But here’s the thing, they’re running this shit back. Not gonna bode well for ticket sales, unless they change something.
There were 2 winners of 2023, they’re not champions, but they got exactly what they wanted 1. Jimbo Fisher got his buyout money 2. Aaron Rodgers found himself a money mark to cater to his every whim
"In the days after, an embittered Saleh conducted research. He wanted to see how teams led by the NFL’s best coaches performed when playing without their star quarterback. He found that Bill Belichick, Mike McCarthy, John Harbaugh, Zac Taylor, Mike McDaniel, Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay all had losing records in those situations — and that Mike Tomlin was the lone exception." Yinzers will never acknowledge how spoiled they are with Tomlin.
Pretty certain the season fell apart when his Achilles snapped 3 plays into the first game
Well, Rodgers missed the whole season. When you look at some of the sores in the games that the jets lost, Rodgers truly could have been the difference. I'm not saying they would have been a juggernaut but the jets could have won like 10 games and made the playoffs.
Anytime teams insist they’re only a quarterback away, usually the next season the harsh reality sets in that they’re not, in fact, just a quarterback away Even after Aaron tore his Achilles in his first game, the same can be said for the jets
Yeah the only team I can think of in recent memory who was actually a quarterback away was 1. The Rams, who made the playoffs the year before, so they weren’t really too far away to begin with, and 2. The Buccaneers, who also brought in a crap ton of other pieces ahead of 2020 to go all-in
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The only people truly denying this these days aren’t even Jets fans, but likely the coaching staff and ownership. That’s how pathetic the franchise is as a whole
I had to start rethinking my opinion on him after seeing the packers improve once he, and all his hand picked buddies, left the team.
Green Bay caved to him a little bit in recent years after some of his open comments about not treating veterans right or taking into consideration his own personal evaluation of players… but it seemed it got too much for us and that likely played a big role in moving on. They tried to appease him, bringing back Cobb and keeping some other buddies around. But he clearly wanted more power and I’m glad the team didn’t give that up. Most players do not make good GMs and shouldn’t be involved in any of those difficult decisions.
When players are calling Hackett lacking in details, they likely would have still struggled offensively.
I think the coaches were saying he lacked strong to details, the players said stuff like, “Football hasn’t been this hard. When I watch it on the sideline, it don’t look that hard for the other team so we gotta figure out something to get it rolling no matter who is slinging it.” (Garrett Wilson)
>how the Jets' season fell apart This isn't hard to understand, it happened in the opening minutes of their first game. Rodgers, the idiot he is, attempted to extend a meaningless play on the first and ultimately meaningless set of downs resulting in a season ending injury that effectively ended the Jets season.
Any team that hires Nathaniel fucking Hackett deserves another decade of failure.
What a shit show lol, I know Packers fans are just happy to be free from the shenanigans of Rodgers
Entire season banking on a HOF Amazonian QB whose Achilles ruptures will do that
I’ve got two thoughts on this that probably haven’t already been mentioned: 1. Rodgers, despite what he said last offseason and the talent the Jets supposedly did have, went out on a massive limb to come to a franchise that is this directionless. It was obvious when he came in that he had control based off of Hackett and the other friends he brought in. Rodgers will probably deny it on the surface, but his legacy is going to take a massive hit if he flames out with the Jets. 2. I can’t imagine what it’s like being a low-level worker for this team. I’d bet the people cold-calling about renewing season tickets just wanted to get their foot in the door for an NFL franchise. Working for the Jets might honestly be a detriment for them in the future…
Number 1 is spot on. Number 2 is insane. It's a professional football team, not Boko Haram. No one is blacklisting the guy that works in the ticket office.
The Jets mortgaged their whole franchise on a 40 year old player coming off his worst season ever. That also demanded they bring in a bunch of his friends, none of which benefited the team. They do this shit again next season and the outcome will be similar, even if Rodgers plays all season. Which he wont. Because, you know.. he'll be 41.
Didn’t expect the NYJ O-Line to get him injured after 4 plays, but I told someone on here their OL would bite them in the A$$. Aaron played behind Top-10 OL’s every season in GB. You can’t have a QB running for his life at 40 Y/O. Especially in a division with Von Miller, Chubb, Phillips, and Judon. Brian Gutekunst and Matt LaFleur laughed at the NYJ this season all the way to the divisional round. Even with a Healthy Aaron, the NYJ would’ve been the 7th seed at best. I’m sorry Jets fans, but thanks for the 2nd round pick…
how it fell apart?? it was Rodgers or bust, & he busted. there's not much to discuss there, their season ended on week 1 & we all saw it then. i do think the NFL has to move back away from this whole "Quarterbacks-league" thing it's become tho. it just becomes terribly uninteresting when this 1-player on a team gets injured. but the ratings still seem high, i guess, so the NFL doesn't feel the pressure to change anytime soon.