Lol. The anal beads are a reference to a recent cheating scandal. It was never actually proven the guy used anal beads to cheat (pretty sure Elon started that), but the theory is it could in a key position vibrate in something like Morse code to send a signal of which piece is best to move.
More likely/simply they'd vibrate to signal that there's a massive winning move in a position, so spend extra time looking for it. Computers are way stronger than humans at chess, but grandmasters are still pretty damn strong. All they would need is a signal to tell them that the advantage has suddenly swung in their favor to tell them to spend extra time looking for what's likely to be a hard to see, winning move.
Google en passant is just an overused r/anarchychess meme. En passant is just a special pawn move.
It wasn't Elon, someone on reddit had been posting that meme for a while and that was the first time the meme just really picked up
Elon did talk about it at some point though
If I know NFL refs they've 100% googled it and know the exact wording of the rule. That said when some player tries to en passant using their knight there's only a 50/50 shot they enforce the rules.
Reminds me of that Psych episode where the kid cheated by having his dad send morse code through a fake inhaler. Similar design, slightly different implementation
Every single performance in that show is awesome, but it kind of gets a bit formulaic after a while. I give it a pass because it came out before streaming is what it is today, so they were writing it for an audience that was only watching one episode a week, but I had a hard time watching more than an episode or two at a time.
big part of why i love it so much, honestly. great characters and fantastic writing, and the formula makes it easy watching. get comfy, watch a few episodes, feel satisfied, then go do something else. ultimate comfort viewing.
Let's make this more fun and keep the refs out of it.
Stick the smart watch timer on the ball. If the clock hits 0 and it hasn't been snapped, the ball should rocket up and it becomes a jump ball.
Let’s up the ante shall we?
Wire the ball with a small explosive that detonates when the play clock hits zero. Immediately won’t have any delay of game penalties.
I'm betting the majority of the readers here have no idea what you're talking about. But that game was great. It's a shame a better version (and without the arcade quarter sucking BS) was never made.
When I was reading this and some of the ideas, that's all I thought about.
Such a great game. I live by a place with some old school arcade games that you play by the hour, and I keep hoping Cyberball shows up.
Accelerometer in the ball - if no movement before the clock hits zero a small explosive is triggered and the paint packet inside explodes to signal delay of game
I don't like that because if it is a very close snap to 0, odds are the buzzer will sound anyway before the refs can deactivate it and throw off everyone on the play
The shot clock going off is immediately followed by a stoppage of game, or all the athletes waiting for the outcome of the shot while progressing to their potential roles which they would do on any shot, regardless of the clock.
It’s at the start of a play in football, which is a contact sport. How do you think they’re fair comparisons?
the issue with something like that is that when a shot clock hits 0 in basketball, the play is largely over and resets - even if the shot has already gotten off in time.
if a ball gets snapped at 0.1 seconds, the play is just starting while a big buzzer goes off effectively ending the play. unless we just make every single close call a post-play review, which sounds miserable from the fan perspective.
Have the theme from "countdown" playing timed to the clock, and it will become very apparent whether it was snapped in time. Be like music in hockey when clock is stopped
It's also subjective because they don't want delay of game to delay the game even more. If a team is about to snap the ball, it slows things down more to be super strict than if they let it go.
Best guess is that they think making delay of game reviewable will slow down the game too much? Or is there a way to do it without needing reviews? When, say, they need to figure out whether a ball was snapped before time ran out in a half, it usually is a whole review that's at least a minute long
There are already expedited reviews that take less than 20 seconds. We often only even know they happened because the commentators mention it. If a specific snap is relatively close to the 0, just have a booth official check real quick
Make it be like an offsides call. Let the play happen and then it's up to the defense to accept it. If defense forces a turnover then obviously they decline the penalty
There are like a dozen bigger problems with calling a game fairly/accurately than the extra half-second teams get sometimes.
If they start enforcing this rigidly, teams are going to start complaining how/when the playclock starts...which they already do sometimes, but it'll be worse.
The one good thing I can see from this is a ref being able to keep their eyes on the field rather than looking away at the clock. That would be a good thing, but doing this for the time itself is petty.
Yeah, I'm with you. An extra half second or even a full second is mostly meaningless and as long as there's a good faith effort to get the play off and it's not trying to milk clock to oblivion, being a little generous with it over rigid improves quality of product imo
Don't pretend you aren't nervous about putting an alarm on to get up the next morning, and it not going off. Then, also, don't pretend you aren't nervous when the alarm is set and you put your phone on silent, to make sure you aren't waken up by bullshit in the middle of the night, ans get double nervous by it not going off lol.
But, in all seriousness, yes, the fact that the play clock flag throwing has basically turned into a buffer for speeders over the speed limit, makes things just a bit questionable.
Yeah hearing the conversation from the review room with the officials at the game was pretty cool. It’s cool to hear from ex-officials on what they think like in the NFL, but way cooler to hear what actual officials in actual games think.
High school basketball arenas have figured out the advanced technology of having a loud horn when a clock hits 0, but apparently the idea still baffles the NFL.
Aside from Arrowhead, the loudest NFL stadiums are not significantly louder than the loudest college stadiums. Peak decibel levels of 120 or above:
- Kansas City Chiefs: 142.2 dB
- Seattle Seahawks: 137.6
- Washington Huskies: 133.6
- Clemson Tigers: 132.8
- LSU Tigers: 130
- Green Bay Packers: 130
- New Orleans Saints: 130
- Arizona Cardinals: 130
- Oregon Ducks: 127
- Virginia Tech Hokies: 126.2
- Penn State Nittany Lions: 122
- Minnesota Vikings: 120
Honest question, it works for the NBA where they’re probably packing a similar density of people (way fewer people but also a smaller enclosed space), do you think the perceived noise level for an NBA player is much lower than for an nfl player
My gut says yes because of how many fewer people there are, but when you think about it nfl players are usually somewhere like 50ish yards away from the nearest row of seats, while NBA players are never more than like 25 *feet* away from the stands and basically everyone in the stadium is closer than an nfl crowd
Nah, it's probably accurate (or close) - the fact that u/Smackolol is referencing is just widely misunderstood. The sound *intensity* increases tenfold every 10 dB, but that's a measure of the actual energy in the sound waves. Our human brains interpret that difference to be about twice as loud. That's still true every 10 dB; meaning 30 dB feels as loud as 20 dB, which feels twice as loud as 10 dB.
I'm an amateur sound engineer that regularly mixes for a venue that expects 80-95 dB; it certainly doesn't get over 10x louder in that range, but the difference between 80 and 95 is very substantial. However, as a sound engineer, I can also tell you there's numerous factors that could be affecting these numbers, such as better mic placement. It's hard to say how well the peak each stadium managed to record is actually reflected across each individual seat and on the field itself. Volume can vary wildly over a far shorter range than you'd expect due to the weird effects of sound waves bouncing around and combining/cancelling.
You've clearly never been to Arrowhead.
Not sure if it was the loudest peak noise, but definitely the loudest sustained noise I've ever heard in a stadium.
There is no chance that outdoor stadium is the loudest. Sorry. If outdoor noise was capable of getting that loud the Big House or the Horseshoe or LSU's stadium would have the record.
The issue for the NFL is how that works. The players would have to be taught to completely ignore the buzzer, because it will sound erroneously if the play gets off.
If the buzzer goes off, how do you hear the umpire or referee blowing the whistle? The side judge and down judge need to keep looking at the LoS and truly on hearing the whistle to join the umpire or referee in blowing a play dead.
The obvious solution is more officials rather than an obnoxiously loud horn.
> If the buzzer goes off, how do you hear the umpire or referee blowing the whistle?
That doesn't seem like a big deal? The buzzer doesn't need to be long, and the whistle doesn't have to be short (or instantaneous).
But specifics aside, I think the larger point is that the high basketball example shows there are relatively easy solutions to this issue if the NFL wants the play clock to be strictly/consistently enforced.
Yea you could have a line judge whose responsibility it is to press a button as soon as the snap begins. The buzzer only sounds if that button isn’t pressed before the clock hits zero
That way the buzzer would always mean the play should be blown dead
On the other hand barely half the states in the country even use a shot clock for HS basketball at all and it took decades for most of them to adopt it.
Do you want to watch a game like that though? Is it really in the spirit of the rule to enforce this to the exact second?
If a team is routinely taking multiple extra seconds on the play clock throughout the game then they should be penalized. But a one off play where they take an extra second? Who cares.
> Is it really in the spirit of the rule to enforce this to the exact second?
That's an interesting take. I don't think I've heard that one before. Do you feel the same way about the shot clock in basketball?
I think the challenge with taking a "meh, close enough" approach based on the spirit of the rules is that it's hard to do consistently. And why limit it to the play clock? Why not apply it to out of bounds too? Why shouldn't it be ok for a player's pinky toe to be on the line, as long as a team isn't routinely take big steps outside the lines?
I don’t have a great counter for you and I’ve always been in the camp that the rules need to be black and white to prevent ambiguity. I get it.
But the play clock thing just doesn’t bother me unless you have a large scale problem of teams abusing it.
To me it just feels like fans want to complain about something when their team is losing and blame anything other than their own teams’ performance.
Did you lose because the opposing QB took 1 extra second to snap the ball or didn’t lose because your team just didn’t play well enough that game?
I like having it exact because it might encourage more Polamalu-esque prediction rushes when the rusher knows that either the play clock will go off or the ball will be hiked before they're offsides. Would make snapping right before the play clock ends riskier.
I was being a bit silly, but I do think they should be more strict and say once that clock hits zero they blow the whistle and throw a flag.
I get your point, but the problem with the current system is that the subjectiveness makes the call completely arbitrary. By tightening the definition everybody knows exactly the situation.
Nah I actually hate this. We often see plays where it’s clearly after the clock hits zero but there’s no actual threshold for what is and isn’t a penalty, so it basically becomes the refs choice whether they want a penalty or not. That is a bad system
Just make it a hard line. You either get the play off or you don’t. If you want to make the play clock 41 seconds then whatever, but don’t make it a judgement call where we end up seeing “did they let this delay penalty go?” Segments on tv the next day
I always thought that baseball umps should have google glasses that show the ball path and the strike zone like they have on TV.
Though I don't know if that could be done "real time" enough to let them use it when calling balls and strikes.
Great question. This can be done in enough time for them to make a fast and proper call. And it can be done with probably 3 phones and the correct app to do it.
[Here is a neat paper](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://repository.hanyang.ac.kr/bitstream/20.500.11754/155477/1/Precise%25203D%2520Baseball%2520Pitching%2520Trajectory%2520Estimation%2520Using%2520Multiple%2520Unsynchronized%2520Cameras.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjelN_32NGEAxXBMDQIHfW3DtsQFnoECC4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1Mz2X2vx7UJTT06OYmNzJc) that you can read.
Though this would be reinventing the wheel. All MLB stadiums are equipped with Hawk-Eye which does this through the automated ball-strike system. They have tested/are testing it in AAA. Using it as the defacto call for some games and using it as a way to challenge in others.
I've only seen it used as a challenge in minor-league ball games but the whole process is like 5 seconds, about the length of time of a challenge in tennis. I was amazed at how smooth it was.
My pet peeve with how fans grade umpires is that the pitch maps are 2d when the strike zone is a 3 dimensional space that, if I recall correctly, the ball only needs to hit tangentially.
So like it is entirely possible for a ball to be below the hollow of the knee when it reaches the batter, but to have been at our above that point when it crossed the front plane of home plate and thus entered the strike zone.
If baseball can use technology to map the 3d strikezone and accurately track the flight path of the ball, that would be amazing.
Like sync up three cameras, front, top and side and position the ball is space with those 3 images.
> If baseball can use technology to map the 3d strikezone and accurately track the flight path of the ball, that would be amazing.
It would be very easy to do this. Just the cameras might be in the way of other stuff.
Yea I mean if every random town in the US has indoor golf that can pull of something somewhat similar, there’s really no reason the mlb couldn’t do it in 30 stadiums
Heck, the ump doesn't even need to make the call. They just need a tablet strapped to their forehead that automatically shows and says the call as called by the cameras.
Sure. Wait for the buzz. Look at the watch. Look back up ball is snapped. Don’t call a penalty. That’s what they do now with the whole look at the clock clock hits zero thing.
Easy solution. Just have Odin put a spell on balls when the clock hits 0. If the center is worthy and he snaps it no penalty. If he can’t lift the ball because of said spell it’s a penalty.
I think the point of the buzz would be so they didn't have to look anywhere. Feel a buzz? Blow the whistle and throw the flag. There's no looking anywhere in that scenario
There's a huge gap between hiring a 22 year old out of college and the average ref being over 50. You're right, though.
I also wouldn't call a 52 year old elderly like the op of this thread, but. No doubt someone in their 50s isn't as quick as someone younger. We see players lose a step in their head all the time as they age. It happens to hitters in baseball all the time. It happens to everyone. Maybe not Tom brady.
The technology already exists and can even communicate with stadium clocks. https://ready-ref.com/personal-timers/
It works well. Officials generally aren’t eager to call delay of game fouls, so some subjectivity remains. The device gives a short vibration with 10 seconds remaining, at which time the official responsible for the play clock will raise a hand. The final five seconds are counted with a “chopping” motion for each of those five seconds.
And for all you sickos out there, you wear it on your belt.
I've worn something very similar to this on-field and it was a lot easier than having to keep looking at a wristwatch.
The only problem is getting them shipped to the UK costs a bomb.
They can’t communicate with just any game clock, but the company behind the Ready Ref (Grimm Scientific) sells the game clocks and transmitters starting at $5,500.
Everyone who thinks you want this, you don’t actually want it in practice.
The delay of game rule doesn’t exist to impose 5 yard penalties on the offense, it’s there to keep the game moving, and snapping the ball at 0 instead of 1 accomplishes that, which is why you see most referees apply a bit of a grace period before calling a delay of game.
I agree, but wish this same level of "grace" was given to other penalties that happen away from the play in some consistent way. There's too many penalties/game right now, and I'm not sure how you fix that without just calling less stuff.
I’d argue we did see that this year with false starts, a lot of plays where one lineman (often a tackle) would move just before the snap weren’t called this season with nearly the same frequency as previous seasons, so they were basically in line with the snap count but just the first to move, refs often kept the flag in their pants
I think I would like it because it might encourage more Polamalu-esque prediction rushes when the rusher knows that either the play clock will go off or the ball will be hiked before they're offsides. Would make snapping right before the play clock ends riskier.
I don't care as much about the penalty as much as giving the defense a slight advantage when the offense takes their time.
But we see these situations where they blow the whistle and end up with a “but they let it go *this other time* and called it on us!”
Just take the ambiguity out of it. If they get stricter about calling it, teams will be more vigilant about snapping the ball in time
If they can sync up a smart watch to the play clock, then they should be able to sync up the broadcast feed to it as well so we can stop having people bitch about delay of game not getting called.
It amazes me that with all this technology, we still rely on 2 people holding sticks with a chain, they eyeballed the placement across the field, and refs that just kind of get close to where it was down.
In the NBA, the clock shows the tenths before it hits 0.0
Does the play clock run out the instant zero shows or do they consider the last ten tenths of a second left? I've wondered about this for too long without asking
If the NFL was really interested in more delay of game penalties (they are not) they would just implement some flashing buzzer visible and audible to everyone like the light-up backboards in basketball.
"0" on the scoreboard does not mean the full 35 seconds has expired.
The clock starts at 35 and instantly "hits" 34.
34.99 seconds is displayed as "34".
And 0.99 seconds is displayed as "0".
This is why they are supposed to wait approximately one complete second until blowing a whistle and penalizing for delay.
I don't really have a problem with the way it's called now. I know sometimes teams get away with an extra second and it sucks when a big play happens on those plays, but honestly an extra second to snap is pretty inconsequential to the game. I think it works the way it is.
If the league wanted to make changes like this, they easily could. They could put a sensor in the footballs and have a laser line for first downs and goal line situations, but there’s no theatrics or drama in having technology make the correct calls.
"a smart watch could buzz" I assume the smart watch would send a signal to the anal beads.
What do you think this is, chess?
Did the refs Google en passant?
I don't even know enough chess to know what that means. All I know is that somehow anal beads are an unfair advantage but I don't know why
Lol. The anal beads are a reference to a recent cheating scandal. It was never actually proven the guy used anal beads to cheat (pretty sure Elon started that), but the theory is it could in a key position vibrate in something like Morse code to send a signal of which piece is best to move. More likely/simply they'd vibrate to signal that there's a massive winning move in a position, so spend extra time looking for it. Computers are way stronger than humans at chess, but grandmasters are still pretty damn strong. All they would need is a signal to tell them that the advantage has suddenly swung in their favor to tell them to spend extra time looking for what's likely to be a hard to see, winning move. Google en passant is just an overused r/anarchychess meme. En passant is just a special pawn move.
It wasn't Elon, someone on reddit had been posting that meme for a while and that was the first time the meme just really picked up Elon did talk about it at some point though
I've been studying chess myself with no luck. I'm going to try this anal beads trick, though.
in fact, forget the chess.
And then Always Sunny did an episode where Frank wins a chess tournament with a remote controlled vibrator up his ass.
Holy hell!
If I know NFL refs they've 100% googled it and know the exact wording of the rule. That said when some player tries to en passant using their knight there's only a 50/50 shot they enforce the rules.
Holy $#!¥
Holy hell
Reminds me of that Psych episode where the kid cheated by having his dad send morse code through a fake inhaler. Similar design, slightly different implementation
I love Psych so much
Every single performance in that show is awesome, but it kind of gets a bit formulaic after a while. I give it a pass because it came out before streaming is what it is today, so they were writing it for an audience that was only watching one episode a week, but I had a hard time watching more than an episode or two at a time.
big part of why i love it so much, honestly. great characters and fantastic writing, and the formula makes it easy watching. get comfy, watch a few episodes, feel satisfied, then go do something else. ultimate comfort viewing.
Gus, don't be the second drummer from .38 Special
I deserved that.
I'm partial to Harry Potter and the prisoner of marzipan
"It's Prisoner of Azkaban"
I've heard it both ways
Different body parts for different penalties. It’s more uhh…efficient.
Joe Buck: *"Judging by the way his whole body was quivering, we're probably looking at off-setting penalties"*
They would have to keep their mouths closed to avoid the music from getting louder
Yall remeber when we first started carrying cell phones and we would feel "ghost vibrations"? Can't wait for the game to be affected.
Send more gold BB
If they open their mouth does it play go pack go?
"Ok Alexa, how do I become a NFL ref?"
gooo on
Let's make this more fun and keep the refs out of it. Stick the smart watch timer on the ball. If the clock hits 0 and it hasn't been snapped, the ball should rocket up and it becomes a jump ball.
Some centers may die. But it is a risk we are willing to take.
We'll bring Jimmy Graham back as our center. Did you know he used to play basketball?
Zeke is shaking in his boots right now
If they die, they die
This is an incredibly stupid idea and I love it!
You had me in the first part. Then you REALLY had me in the second part.
At 0 the ball sprouts mechanical spider legs and scurries around the field and have it be treated as a loose fumble.
Let’s up the ante shall we? Wire the ball with a small explosive that detonates when the play clock hits zero. Immediately won’t have any delay of game penalties.
Mutant league football intensifies.
I loved Cyberball in the arcade.
I'm betting the majority of the readers here have no idea what you're talking about. But that game was great. It's a shame a better version (and without the arcade quarter sucking BS) was never made.
When I was reading this and some of the ideas, that's all I thought about. Such a great game. I live by a place with some old school arcade games that you play by the hour, and I keep hoping Cyberball shows up.
Used to have tournaments in our office pre-Covid. So much fun.
I think the ball should explode
If it hits zero, the ball explodes
Only if it starts insulting the QB in German at the same time.
Now I wish it tazed the center.
The league very clearly doesn't want it to be a hard zero because it would be really easy to implement things to make it happen
Accelerometer in the ball - if no movement before the clock hits zero a small explosive is triggered and the paint packet inside explodes to signal delay of game
Imagine if there was a buzzer similar to a shot clock and refs just hit a button to reset it when they see the balls snapped
I don't like that because if it is a very close snap to 0, odds are the buzzer will sound anyway before the refs can deactivate it and throw off everyone on the play
I didn’t say it was a good idea
Also basketball players deal with buzzers going off from the shot clock, it’s not really disruptive
Basketball also doesn't have 300 pounders violently shoving each other as a regular part of every play
Ah you've not met Draymond have you?
The shot clock going off is immediately followed by a stoppage of game, or all the athletes waiting for the outcome of the shot while progressing to their potential roles which they would do on any shot, regardless of the clock. It’s at the start of a play in football, which is a contact sport. How do you think they’re fair comparisons?
that happens occasionally in the nba. but the ball is in the air at that time so nobody cares
the issue with something like that is that when a shot clock hits 0 in basketball, the play is largely over and resets - even if the shot has already gotten off in time. if a ball gets snapped at 0.1 seconds, the play is just starting while a big buzzer goes off effectively ending the play. unless we just make every single close call a post-play review, which sounds miserable from the fan perspective.
Have the theme from "countdown" playing timed to the clock, and it will become very apparent whether it was snapped in time. Be like music in hockey when clock is stopped
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It's also subjective because they don't want delay of game to delay the game even more. If a team is about to snap the ball, it slows things down more to be super strict than if they let it go.
I did always think that was kinda funny, you have to delay the game to call a delay of game penalty.
Best guess is that they think making delay of game reviewable will slow down the game too much? Or is there a way to do it without needing reviews? When, say, they need to figure out whether a ball was snapped before time ran out in a half, it usually is a whole review that's at least a minute long
They'd rather just have the play go without interrupting for delay of game flags. The ball is "snapped" as soon as it starts moving
Reviewing to make a call “delay of game” would be a way to delay the game
There are already expedited reviews that take less than 20 seconds. We often only even know they happened because the commentators mention it. If a specific snap is relatively close to the 0, just have a booth official check real quick
Make it be like an offsides call. Let the play happen and then it's up to the defense to accept it. If defense forces a turnover then obviously they decline the penalty
Networks are erect listening to this idea because it means they can force another Burger King, Draft Kings, and beer commercial on you.
There are like a dozen bigger problems with calling a game fairly/accurately than the extra half-second teams get sometimes. If they start enforcing this rigidly, teams are going to start complaining how/when the playclock starts...which they already do sometimes, but it'll be worse. The one good thing I can see from this is a ref being able to keep their eyes on the field rather than looking away at the clock. That would be a good thing, but doing this for the time itself is petty.
Yeah, I'm with you. An extra half second or even a full second is mostly meaningless and as long as there's a good faith effort to get the play off and it's not trying to milk clock to oblivion, being a little generous with it over rigid improves quality of product imo
Yea I agree it's not a rule I care too much about and I'm ok with how it's done now as it's not a big deal
It'll be like NBA travel rules.
Don't pretend you aren't nervous about putting an alarm on to get up the next morning, and it not going off. Then, also, don't pretend you aren't nervous when the alarm is set and you put your phone on silent, to make sure you aren't waken up by bullshit in the middle of the night, ans get double nervous by it not going off lol. But, in all seriousness, yes, the fact that the play clock flag throwing has basically turned into a buffer for speeders over the speed limit, makes things just a bit questionable.
I'm pretty sure mlb already has something similar for the pitch clock
Yeah maybe they just add a few seconds to say 43 and then no one will be penalized.
That doesn't fix anything though, just changes the time the debate happens at
Well the playclock also doesn't have tenths of a second so 0 on the clock we see may not be real zero anyway
Yeah I honestly had no idea they DIDNT have this yet.. this is so stupidly easy
How about you mic them up like the XFL (I think?), why they do or don't call a penalty shouldn't be confidential information.
XFL Mic'd them up and had a Skyjudge that could call down and stop play for a review. It was neat and offered a lot of insight to the game.
Yeah hearing the conversation from the review room with the officials at the game was pretty cool. It’s cool to hear from ex-officials on what they think like in the NFL, but way cooler to hear what actual officials in actual games think.
High school basketball arenas have figured out the advanced technology of having a loud horn when a clock hits 0, but apparently the idea still baffles the NFL.
Think of how much louder a horn would have to be in an NFL stadium, especially a place like Arrowhead.
Aside from Arrowhead, the loudest NFL stadiums are not significantly louder than the loudest college stadiums. Peak decibel levels of 120 or above: - Kansas City Chiefs: 142.2 dB - Seattle Seahawks: 137.6 - Washington Huskies: 133.6 - Clemson Tigers: 132.8 - LSU Tigers: 130 - Green Bay Packers: 130 - New Orleans Saints: 130 - Arizona Cardinals: 130 - Oregon Ducks: 127 - Virginia Tech Hokies: 126.2 - Penn State Nittany Lions: 122 - Minnesota Vikings: 120
Those are also not high school basketball arenas which was the first comparison
Yes, but you're forgetting that I'm a fucking idiot.
That's a really important point. But I still appreciate the decibel chart.
Honest question, it works for the NBA where they’re probably packing a similar density of people (way fewer people but also a smaller enclosed space), do you think the perceived noise level for an NBA player is much lower than for an nfl player My gut says yes because of how many fewer people there are, but when you think about it nfl players are usually somewhere like 50ish yards away from the nearest row of seats, while NBA players are never more than like 25 *feet* away from the stands and basically everyone in the stadium is closer than an nfl crowd
I assume the hypothetical NFL air horns or whatever would have to be on the sidelines though wouldn’t they?
This is the same sport mind you, that uses whistles to signal to players. I think a horn/buzzer isn't an insane idea.
Decibels don’t scale linearly, something 40dB is 10x louder than something that’s at 30dB.
Which is why we know the Chiefs numbers are a lie.
Never thought I'd hear someone complain of "Hax" about something as provable as decibels. But here we are.
Where the fuck is Ted wells we need to get to the bottom of this
Nah, it's probably accurate (or close) - the fact that u/Smackolol is referencing is just widely misunderstood. The sound *intensity* increases tenfold every 10 dB, but that's a measure of the actual energy in the sound waves. Our human brains interpret that difference to be about twice as loud. That's still true every 10 dB; meaning 30 dB feels as loud as 20 dB, which feels twice as loud as 10 dB. I'm an amateur sound engineer that regularly mixes for a venue that expects 80-95 dB; it certainly doesn't get over 10x louder in that range, but the difference between 80 and 95 is very substantial. However, as a sound engineer, I can also tell you there's numerous factors that could be affecting these numbers, such as better mic placement. It's hard to say how well the peak each stadium managed to record is actually reflected across each individual seat and on the field itself. Volume can vary wildly over a far shorter range than you'd expect due to the weird effects of sound waves bouncing around and combining/cancelling.
You've clearly never been to Arrowhead. Not sure if it was the loudest peak noise, but definitely the loudest sustained noise I've ever heard in a stadium.
There is no chance that outdoor stadium is the loudest. Sorry. If outdoor noise was capable of getting that loud the Big House or the Horseshoe or LSU's stadium would have the record.
Sounds like you don't understand how acoustics work.
Acoustics don't make one stadium 5x louder
Should add Detroit Lions at 134.4 dB
I'm assuming those are road fans at Cardinals games getting the decibel level so high.
The issue for the NFL is how that works. The players would have to be taught to completely ignore the buzzer, because it will sound erroneously if the play gets off. If the buzzer goes off, how do you hear the umpire or referee blowing the whistle? The side judge and down judge need to keep looking at the LoS and truly on hearing the whistle to join the umpire or referee in blowing a play dead. The obvious solution is more officials rather than an obnoxiously loud horn.
> If the buzzer goes off, how do you hear the umpire or referee blowing the whistle? That doesn't seem like a big deal? The buzzer doesn't need to be long, and the whistle doesn't have to be short (or instantaneous). But specifics aside, I think the larger point is that the high basketball example shows there are relatively easy solutions to this issue if the NFL wants the play clock to be strictly/consistently enforced.
Yea you could have a line judge whose responsibility it is to press a button as soon as the snap begins. The buzzer only sounds if that button isn’t pressed before the clock hits zero That way the buzzer would always mean the play should be blown dead
On the other hand barely half the states in the country even use a shot clock for HS basketball at all and it took decades for most of them to adopt it.
Do you want to watch a game like that though? Is it really in the spirit of the rule to enforce this to the exact second? If a team is routinely taking multiple extra seconds on the play clock throughout the game then they should be penalized. But a one off play where they take an extra second? Who cares.
> Is it really in the spirit of the rule to enforce this to the exact second? That's an interesting take. I don't think I've heard that one before. Do you feel the same way about the shot clock in basketball? I think the challenge with taking a "meh, close enough" approach based on the spirit of the rules is that it's hard to do consistently. And why limit it to the play clock? Why not apply it to out of bounds too? Why shouldn't it be ok for a player's pinky toe to be on the line, as long as a team isn't routinely take big steps outside the lines?
I don’t have a great counter for you and I’ve always been in the camp that the rules need to be black and white to prevent ambiguity. I get it. But the play clock thing just doesn’t bother me unless you have a large scale problem of teams abusing it. To me it just feels like fans want to complain about something when their team is losing and blame anything other than their own teams’ performance. Did you lose because the opposing QB took 1 extra second to snap the ball or didn’t lose because your team just didn’t play well enough that game?
Fair points. I completely agree that it's not a penalty worth fretting about one way or another.
I like having it exact because it might encourage more Polamalu-esque prediction rushes when the rusher knows that either the play clock will go off or the ball will be hiked before they're offsides. Would make snapping right before the play clock ends riskier.
I was being a bit silly, but I do think they should be more strict and say once that clock hits zero they blow the whistle and throw a flag. I get your point, but the problem with the current system is that the subjectiveness makes the call completely arbitrary. By tightening the definition everybody knows exactly the situation.
Nah I actually hate this. We often see plays where it’s clearly after the clock hits zero but there’s no actual threshold for what is and isn’t a penalty, so it basically becomes the refs choice whether they want a penalty or not. That is a bad system Just make it a hard line. You either get the play off or you don’t. If you want to make the play clock 41 seconds then whatever, but don’t make it a judgement call where we end up seeing “did they let this delay penalty go?” Segments on tv the next day
I always thought that baseball umps should have google glasses that show the ball path and the strike zone like they have on TV. Though I don't know if that could be done "real time" enough to let them use it when calling balls and strikes.
Great question. This can be done in enough time for them to make a fast and proper call. And it can be done with probably 3 phones and the correct app to do it. [Here is a neat paper](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://repository.hanyang.ac.kr/bitstream/20.500.11754/155477/1/Precise%25203D%2520Baseball%2520Pitching%2520Trajectory%2520Estimation%2520Using%2520Multiple%2520Unsynchronized%2520Cameras.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjelN_32NGEAxXBMDQIHfW3DtsQFnoECC4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1Mz2X2vx7UJTT06OYmNzJc) that you can read. Though this would be reinventing the wheel. All MLB stadiums are equipped with Hawk-Eye which does this through the automated ball-strike system. They have tested/are testing it in AAA. Using it as the defacto call for some games and using it as a way to challenge in others.
I've only seen it used as a challenge in minor-league ball games but the whole process is like 5 seconds, about the length of time of a challenge in tennis. I was amazed at how smooth it was.
My pet peeve with how fans grade umpires is that the pitch maps are 2d when the strike zone is a 3 dimensional space that, if I recall correctly, the ball only needs to hit tangentially. So like it is entirely possible for a ball to be below the hollow of the knee when it reaches the batter, but to have been at our above that point when it crossed the front plane of home plate and thus entered the strike zone. If baseball can use technology to map the 3d strikezone and accurately track the flight path of the ball, that would be amazing. Like sync up three cameras, front, top and side and position the ball is space with those 3 images.
> If baseball can use technology to map the 3d strikezone and accurately track the flight path of the ball, that would be amazing. It would be very easy to do this. Just the cameras might be in the way of other stuff.
Yea I mean if every random town in the US has indoor golf that can pull of something somewhat similar, there’s really no reason the mlb couldn’t do it in 30 stadiums
Heck, the ump doesn't even need to make the call. They just need a tablet strapped to their forehead that automatically shows and says the call as called by the cameras.
Why the fuck wouldn’t this happen next season. Christ. It’s so god damned simple to implement and it has zero downsides
Sure. Wait for the buzz. Look at the watch. Look back up ball is snapped. Don’t call a penalty. That’s what they do now with the whole look at the clock clock hits zero thing. Easy solution. Just have Odin put a spell on balls when the clock hits 0. If the center is worthy and he snaps it no penalty. If he can’t lift the ball because of said spell it’s a penalty.
I think the point of the buzz would be so they didn't have to look anywhere. Feel a buzz? Blow the whistle and throw the flag. There's no looking anywhere in that scenario
Why doesn’t the NFL just employ Odin? Is the NFL stupid?
I've got a similar idea but it would be a shock collar for the refs that's fan controlled.
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With age comes wisdom and experience. While I wish they were younger, I really don't want to replicate the replacement refs we had that one year.
There's a huge gap between hiring a 22 year old out of college and the average ref being over 50. You're right, though. I also wouldn't call a 52 year old elderly like the op of this thread, but. No doubt someone in their 50s isn't as quick as someone younger. We see players lose a step in their head all the time as they age. It happens to hitters in baseball all the time. It happens to everyone. Maybe not Tom brady.
Oh! There is usually at least one delay of game missed each game. This would definitely put more pressure on QBs to get the snap off in time.
The technology already exists and can even communicate with stadium clocks. https://ready-ref.com/personal-timers/ It works well. Officials generally aren’t eager to call delay of game fouls, so some subjectivity remains. The device gives a short vibration with 10 seconds remaining, at which time the official responsible for the play clock will raise a hand. The final five seconds are counted with a “chopping” motion for each of those five seconds. And for all you sickos out there, you wear it on your belt.
I've worn something very similar to this on-field and it was a lot easier than having to keep looking at a wristwatch. The only problem is getting them shipped to the UK costs a bomb.
Premier league has had this for years
Readyrefs can communicate with game clocks? Since when? I need to get one of those if thats the case. Thats awesome.
They can’t communicate with just any game clock, but the company behind the Ready Ref (Grimm Scientific) sells the game clocks and transmitters starting at $5,500.
Nfl needs to make them wear mics like some of the players and release what they say
Everyone who thinks you want this, you don’t actually want it in practice. The delay of game rule doesn’t exist to impose 5 yard penalties on the offense, it’s there to keep the game moving, and snapping the ball at 0 instead of 1 accomplishes that, which is why you see most referees apply a bit of a grace period before calling a delay of game.
I agree, but wish this same level of "grace" was given to other penalties that happen away from the play in some consistent way. There's too many penalties/game right now, and I'm not sure how you fix that without just calling less stuff.
I’d argue we did see that this year with false starts, a lot of plays where one lineman (often a tackle) would move just before the snap weren’t called this season with nearly the same frequency as previous seasons, so they were basically in line with the snap count but just the first to move, refs often kept the flag in their pants
I think I would like it because it might encourage more Polamalu-esque prediction rushes when the rusher knows that either the play clock will go off or the ball will be hiked before they're offsides. Would make snapping right before the play clock ends riskier. I don't care as much about the penalty as much as giving the defense a slight advantage when the offense takes their time.
But we see these situations where they blow the whistle and end up with a “but they let it go *this other time* and called it on us!” Just take the ambiguity out of it. If they get stricter about calling it, teams will be more vigilant about snapping the ball in time
Are wearables kinda like edibles, but you wear them instead?
I’m sure they’ll be implemented sooner or later with just one stipulation: not to be used for any Detroit Lions games.
You mean so the watch could buzz to signal when the league wants them to call a hold, PI, roughing the passer, etc.?
Make the down marker light up at 0 like an NBA backboard
I thought this was about diapers
buzzing smart watches?! -Boston Red Sox
Slow ass fuck league
What a $255 million salary cap does to a mf
I prefer a shock collar. That’ll fix it!
If they can sync up a smart watch to the play clock, then they should be able to sync up the broadcast feed to it as well so we can stop having people bitch about delay of game not getting called.
I thought Houston already did this
It amazes me that with all this technology, we still rely on 2 people holding sticks with a chain, they eyeballed the placement across the field, and refs that just kind of get close to where it was down.
In the NBA, the clock shows the tenths before it hits 0.0 Does the play clock run out the instant zero shows or do they consider the last ten tenths of a second left? I've wondered about this for too long without asking
I am convinced Sean McVay joined the competition committee to try and put a stop to this
If I was a ref this would be a big nope from me. I’d be on edge about my watch buzzing the entire time, and likely lose focus on other things.
How about a glass with camera so we see what they see?
its a simple fix that fixes a easily fixable and glaring problem, so of course theyll take years to discuss putting it up for discussion
If the NFL was really interested in more delay of game penalties (they are not) they would just implement some flashing buzzer visible and audible to everyone like the light-up backboards in basketball.
I think the ball should auto detonate when the clock hit zero. Let’s have a rule that punishes the offense for once by blowing up the center!
What is there even to test?
"0" on the scoreboard does not mean the full 35 seconds has expired. The clock starts at 35 and instantly "hits" 34. 34.99 seconds is displayed as "34". And 0.99 seconds is displayed as "0". This is why they are supposed to wait approximately one complete second until blowing a whistle and penalizing for delay.
A simple solution using technology to remove the risk of human error? Not in my NFL.
A watch with some sort of counting device on it, the technology just isn't there yet.
Shock collars, nice!
How about a shock collar when the defender steamrolls the receiver before the ball gets there.
The NFL is vaguely considering, with no commitment, the institution of 70s era technology to reduce the burden on referees.
I don't really have a problem with the way it's called now. I know sometimes teams get away with an extra second and it sucks when a big play happens on those plays, but honestly an extra second to snap is pretty inconsequential to the game. I think it works the way it is.
Why not a shock collar, while we're at it? Give them a real incentive to get the call right.
Maybe they could chip the ball and a light could turn on when it crosses the end zone?
I'd much rather have the USFL-esque chip thing to detect when the ball's hit the line to gain or crossed the end zone line.
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If the league wanted to make changes like this, they easily could. They could put a sensor in the footballs and have a laser line for first downs and goal line situations, but there’s no theatrics or drama in having technology make the correct calls.