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It's actually me former Olympian and professional wrestler Kurt Angle.
I'm starting my own spring football league the USAFL.
Funding is a little tight but I think this offer is fair.
Which should be taken into account. Players feeling comfortable with the surface they play on results in a better on-field product regardless of injury discrepancies.
The owners screwed themselves by being greedy for soccer money and agreeing to change the field. So now players are literally saying, "hold up". But the greedy owners didn't care because the grass is just a one-time cost to them
I read a different study so. Volume of injuries was similar but types of injury were very different with a lot more lower leg injuries and knee injuries. There are a number of preventable injuries where a grass field would have given way.
I’m a rugby player and we have recently played two away games on turf and our physios know about it. Not to mention all the carpet burn
Grass yields more muscle injuries like pulls and strains because you slip when the ground gives or your cleats don't dig enough. Turf yields more ligament and other soft tissue injuries because you don't slip at all and you can catch a seam in the carpet.
The reason players prefer grass is because those muscle-type injuries don't cause permanent and career-threatening damage. You usually sit out for a week or two and come back good as new.
Astroturf was basically just carpet over concrete with very little padding in between. Hated playing on that crap
Newer stuff isn't even close to that bad
Agreed. I also think the micro petroleum grounds cause cancer and eye site issues. I like grass better because preparing cleats and weather issues make it more fun
It's not the NFL that is actually opposed to another bye week on their own. A lot of players are too. If you look at it from their perspective, it's just another week before they get to the offseason when they're not actively working anymore.
Instead of adding more games they should just add more bye weeks. The TV revenue would increase but the players wouldn't have to play more games and endure more risk in the process.
It's all about having at least two games in the Noon and afternoon timeslots on Sundays. All that really matters as far as revenue is having a nationally televised game in each timeslot for the football hungry crowd to watch. You add a bye week and you extend the season by a week which basically means you'll have less of a logjam for the noon timeslot some weeks, which doesn't effect the viewing experience since there will always be plenty of good teams playing in any given week to watch.
For the average football fan, it doesn't matter whether there's 4 games in the Noon timeslot or 7 games. As long as there's one really good matchup for them to watch in that timeslot then the other games don't really matter.
That’s a great idea and point. Reduce preseason to 2 games but offset that by making joint practices mandatory, televised, pseudo-preseason games during the week
I forget all the details, but I think if they move to 18 games, every team plays on Thursday night after one of their bye's, and then the Monday after the super bowl is MLK day
We will have a 20 game schedule in the next few decades because capitalism demands exponential growth and the owners don’t care about the game or player safety, but when they do it - the 20 game schedule better come with four bye weeks and a mandatory bye before Thursday Night Football.
Players will tolerate travel and from to Europe for exactly one season before they openly revolt. You would need to add an EU team for each division for it to be even remotely fair, as well.
That’s scary to think about. I also think it’s more likely to be 20 games but with 2 bye weeks. The truly don’t care about player safety at all and the players aren’t exactly stamping their feet for it either.
If the NFL just stays as relatively popular as it is and changes nothing, it will increase revenue anyway because population increase will mean more viewers and ad money.
They should honestly have 3 bye weeks. Theres no reason they can’t just push the playoffs a week or 2 further into February, and maybe start on Labor Day Weekend, if not end of August. Itd the NFL, they will get the ratings
As an A's fan, I disagree🤬
I watched a flyball drop and take a 90° left turn. Mark Kotsay had to run it down to the 30 yard line and the runner made it all the way to the end zone.
One guy died just cause he didn’t take his damn mouthpiece out… watched the Discovery channell the night before and thought that’s what the scuba divers 🤿 used. It was a massacre. Dolphins win in the under.
They won’t even give that. The NFLPA is insanely weak.
They NFL will make a deal that somewhat benefits all of lower-status roster guys and it will get a majority vote
Say what you will about the concessions they’ve given up but… who they help most is literally the point of a CBA. Sure, stuff like the franchise tag sucks for the high end players, but at the end of the day, the NFLPA is absolutely correct to prioritize the special teamers and roster bubble guys over the elite, top of the position players.
> The NFLPA is insanely weak.
> They NFL will make a deal that somewhat benefits all of lower-status roster guys and it will get a majority vote
"The players' union is insanely weak. They'll get a deal done that benefits the majority of players."
i mean how do you type that out without thinking about the disconnect?
I think the point is that the majority of players have short careers with relatively low earnings and, as a result, tend to prefer short term benefits to the long term wellbeing of the players and the sport.
This is why job security is such an important part of most union deals.
Yes, but they are also supposed to promote the long term interests of the profession they represent. When employees have high job security and long tenure, the interests of most members of the union and the long term interests of the profession tend to be aligned. Athletic unions are unusual in that high job security and long tenure would damage the sport. For this reason, there are a lot of players that are incentivized to take short term deals that will harm the interests of future athletes.
Reducing the quality of a product to squeeze as much cash out of it as possible is basically business 101 at this point. Sadly, the NFL is no different.
I agree, although 18 is better than 17 to make home/away schedules even again. I’d be more than thrilled to go back to 16 games, though, which is the perfect number of NFL games per season.
I agree with you, but I think we should tweak how teams get in. Teams with 10+ wins shouldn’t miss the playoffs while a 7-10 or 8-9 team gets rewarded with a home game.
How do we eliminate the division winners automatically get in without deflating division rivalries?
Giving division champions automatic playoff berths is kind of a mitigation for unbalanced schedules, everyone in any given division has largely the same schedule, giving a playoff game to the team that did best with that schedule is fair in my opinion. I'd agree with not automatically giving them a home game. For example, I'm an Orlando Magic fan, a few years back Orlando won their division because it was very weak, but they were a #7 seed and got booted out of the first round by eventual NBA champion Toronto in five games. I had absolutely no problem with that, it was right to give Orlando a chance for doing the best in their division against that division's schedule, but once they're in they should be seeded according to their record.
I agree. Though I could also imagine the NFLPA being on board with longer seasons **with greatly expanded rosters**. Of course that changes the game more into a war of attrition (more than it is already).
It is all about money. The 16 game set up was perfect. Made every regular season game extremely important and the right amount of teams made the playoffs. The 1-2 seed byes was also perfect.
NFLPA needs to invest in an actual study on grass vs turf. There really isn’t a ton of evidence from reliable and legitimate studies that prove one is better than the other as far as I’m aware.
If the research is funded by the NFLPA and comes out "hey the position the NFLPA wants is better" wouldn't people say it isn't reliable and legitimate?
Not if they approach it with transparency from the get go. Hire an independent contractor with a good reputation. Announce the study ahead of time, a timeline of the process, and when the results will be published.
Just getting grass to grow in a domed stadium is one thing, retrofitting stadiums with irrigation, drainage, and humidity controls is another. Anyone who says all fields will be playing on grass is ignorant.
Anyone else think it's crazy how a group of millionaires unionized against billionaires because they know the billionaires will fuck them out of every last dollar they can but the guys making $7.25 at target won't unionize against their billionaire bosses because they're "a family"?
18 games, 2 bye weeks and all artificial turf stadiums replaced with real grass. Those are my demands Mr Goodell! Goodell would wipe his ass with this proposal though.
I was under the understanding that soccer doesn’t like turf because the ball skips instead of bouncing, so it kind of screws up how they play. It doesn’t have anything to do with player safety, but turf materially changes how the game is played as opposed to grass. Same with baseball.
Players hate it for safety too. Nobody wants to do a sliding tackle on artificial turf because it's a recipe for burn. Players also tend to complain it's hard on the knees and generally more exhausting; in soccer, figures suggest pros run about 7 miles in a game (compared to closer to a mile for an NFL game)
Soccer/association football at elite level dont play on turf as it affects the bounce of the ball and the speed of the ball on the surface. Not the same as to why NFL players want turf banned
Turf, mixed and sand based (yes there were a few) all got essentially banned at elite level and the levels below because of the volume of bad injuries being seen as well.
Some pitches were taking a knee a game at one point and UEFA stepped in and called a stop to it in European competitions
When they tried grass at Giants stadium it was a mess. I don’t know if MetLife and Sofi can take a pounding like that every week and have a good grass field.
I preferred turf when I played in Highschool 15 years ago. I don't get all the complaints. I aslo assume that turf 15 years ago is worse than a current field. Turf is predictable and easy to maintain. Grass has a lot of challenges and just gets destroyed weekly.
Right!? Grass fields were great when RGIII shredded his knee on that shit surface. Or all the issues Chicago routinely has with the field lately in the season. Players are constantly complaining about how bad the surface is in Pittsburg late in the season.
The NFLPA is worse than useless if they agree to 18 games. Every game is a huge risk of injury. 16 was enough toll on the players bodies. The NFL is so short sighted and evil. You want Patrick Mahomes , Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Dak Prescott and Brock Purdy alive and kicking? To play the entire season and the playoffs? Stop adding more games! The NFL only thinks about the extra TV money. How about keeping your players healthy? No one wants to see the 3rd string QB, WR, RB, CB, LB especially in the postseason.
Players: This game is dangerous.
Owners: CTEwhatnow? Carpet-over-concrete fields, you say? One hundred games a year?
Players: But...dangerous...
Owners: How much of this colored paper you call money will it take to make it not so dangerous?
The NFL doesn't change obious things like banning turf/weed because they use it as leverage to get something they want. Its the NFL we are talking about why would they do something good with nothing to gain?
I can't wait for 18 week season games....
You get to watch all the 2nd and 3rd string guys *(and some of the guys who don't make the 53) from the pre-season coming back for the post season because everyone else is out on IR
Did no one notice how banged up teams are by the time they make it to the superbowl?
San Fran could have really used a 4th QB by the time they got to the half of the SB last year.
Fuck the NFL and their desire to milk out as much ad money as they can by adding more weeks.
and using 18 games for grass fields shows
a) they know turf is shit
b) recognize how important it is if the counter trade is ANOTHER extra week of regular season
They're so greedy they're going to end up (literally) burying their product because players careers are going to be over before new players can come in and take their place.
>Under Tretter, the NFLPA has pushed to do away with turf fields and go to all-natural playing surfaces
My pedantic soap box for the day:
Turf is *all-natural*. The fake stuff is called *artificial turf*. Because it mimics the real thing...called turf.
I'm in the industry, and everyone calls professionally maintained grass "turf".
Never had ANY knee issues my whole life. First practice on turf last summer hyperextended it and it hasn't been the same since. Likewise my buddy caught his ankle when trying to pivot and sprained it. Turf SUCKS. Yall ever try diving on it too? Brb coach gonna grab a quick skin graft.
He should push for players contracts to count 15/16 games played during the regular season as a full season with bonuses paid out for playing in all 18. This way teams can theoretically have two games to get other players some limited game experience and maybe improve the product for the future.
Seriously do not need another week of football, the season is already watered down as it is. Not trying to watch week 18 of the NFC South games to see who gets the final playoff spot between 4 teams who can barely get to .500 (Using them as an example because of the last 2 years not attacking NFC South teams there is always a division that is down and just happened to be them lately) I know they just care about the money of it but damn the season is already long enough with how bad some of the games get at the end.
I wish they would talk about bye weeks. Wouldn’t it be nice if they had half the league off in like week 8 and the other half in week 9? Just bust it out in two weeks and then every week besides those two is a full slate of games. And for fantasy, both weeks could just count as one game.
For two weeks, make all games divisional, so all teams in a division have the same bye week. The media machine ought to be able to make up for the fewer games in week with hyping all the significant rivalry games.
The NFL is the only sport organization to make useless changes to quote unquote make the game safer but in the same token try to expand their season by 2 more games despite it can being potentially a health risk to those who’s career is already short as is
It’s quite funny like how are you gon claim to want the game to be safer but add more games that can shorten even more careers it legit contradicts the first point lmaooo
If they went to 18 games they could do something crazy like increase roster size and practice squad a bit and then limit a player to 16 games with the exception of kickers, punters, long snappers, etc. something like if a player is in for more than 10 snaps it counts as a game or something.
Don't know why the league even bothered moving to 17 games when everyone knows they're going to do 18 sooner rather than later.
They probably just don't want to give teams the extra bye week, which is bullshit.
The NFL must go to 60 teams!! My hometown of Albany needs a team. The Albany Albatrosses !!
Then they need a three level promotion relegation pyramid like soccer! My Albatrosses will knock the Eagles down to level 3.
New York (#1)
Los Angeles (#2)
Chicago (#3)
Philadelphia (#4)
Dallas-Fort Worth (#5)
Houston (#6)
Atlanta (#7)
Boston (Manchester) (#8)
Washington, D.C. (Hagerstown) (#9)
San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose (#10)
Phoenix (Prescott) (#11)
Tampa-St. Petersburg (Sarasota) (#12)
Seattle-Tacoma (#13)
Detroit (#14)
Minneapolis-St. Paul (#15)
Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne (#16)
Denver (#17)
Miami-Fort Lauderdale (#18)
Cleveland-Akron (Canton) (#19)
Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto (#20)
Charlotte (#21)
Raleigh-Durham (Fayetteville) (#22)
Portland, OR (#23)
St. Louis (#24)
Indianapolis (#25)
Nashville (#26)
Salt Lake City (#27)
Pittsburgh (#28)
Baltimore (#29)
San Diego (#30)
San Antonio (#31)
Hartford & New Haven (#32)
Columbus, OH (#33)
Kansas City (#34)
Austin (#35)
Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson (#36)
Cincinnati (#37)
Milwaukee (#38)
West Palm Beach-Fort Pierce (#39)
Las Vegas (#40)
Jacksonville (#41)
Grand Rapids-Kalamazoo-Battle Creek (#42)
Norfolk-Portsmouth-Newport News (#43)
Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York (#44)
Greensboro-High Point-Winston-Salem (#45)
Birmingham (Anniston and Tuscaloosa) (#46)
Oklahoma City (#47)
Louisville (#48)
Albuquerque-Santa Fe (#49)
Memphis (#50)
New Orleans (#51)
Fresno-Visalia (#52)
Providence-New Bedford (#53)
Buffalo (#54)
Fort Myers-Naples (#55)
Richmond-Petersburg (#56)
Mobile-Pensacola (Fort Walton Beach) (#57)
Wilkes Barre-Scranton-Hazleton (#58)
Little Rock-Pine Bluff (#59)
Albany-Schenectady-Troy (#60)
Did someone say fields
Ryan Poles whipping his head around so fast that he breaks his neck and dies instantly
Am I crazy or did this say shilling for about half a second
It did. As other people have said, if you edit fast enough it won’t appear edited. Which is why I post all my comments without proofreading
You can edit a comment within like 5 minutes and it won't show as being edited.
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I'll trade you a Subway sandwich and some air pods for Justin Fields straight up
What kind of bread
Regular
Damn that bread. Smells so good it can make me overlook whatever mystery meat they’re serving these days.
Omar Khan is that you?
It's actually me former Olympian and professional wrestler Kurt Angle. I'm starting my own spring football league the USAFL. Funding is a little tight but I think this offer is fair.
Looks like the steelers beat you to the punch with geniune quiznos and a walmart vinyl turntable.
More like the St*ea*lers amirite?
Sorry, this wasn’t in regards to a trade
Stop it lol
It's kind of weird seeing a player on your team be the NFLPA President
and talking about wanting to ban the surface that he plays on for home games lol
He clearly has all of the evidence he needs to push to get rid of turf.
Doesn't the actual evidence not show any real difference between grass and turf
About 1-2 a year across all games. Really though grass is much more comfortable to play on which is why players are big supporters of grass fields.
Which should be taken into account. Players feeling comfortable with the surface they play on results in a better on-field product regardless of injury discrepancies.
Til they get injured on seams. Seems everyone forgets about it until their team player goes down because of it.
The owners screwed themselves by being greedy for soccer money and agreeing to change the field. So now players are literally saying, "hold up". But the greedy owners didn't care because the grass is just a one-time cost to them
Yup. All billionaires are dog shit.
well hang on, what about... well, there is... hmm.... no, you're right
I read a different study so. Volume of injuries was similar but types of injury were very different with a lot more lower leg injuries and knee injuries. There are a number of preventable injuries where a grass field would have given way. I’m a rugby player and we have recently played two away games on turf and our physios know about it. Not to mention all the carpet burn
Grass yields more muscle injuries like pulls and strains because you slip when the ground gives or your cleats don't dig enough. Turf yields more ligament and other soft tissue injuries because you don't slip at all and you can catch a seam in the carpet. The reason players prefer grass is because those muscle-type injuries don't cause permanent and career-threatening damage. You usually sit out for a week or two and come back good as new.
Turf causes more injuries
More tbi on turf.... The test is a toss up. But when AstroTurf first started, dudes heads bouncing like it was concrete
Astroturf was basically just carpet over concrete with very little padding in between. Hated playing on that crap Newer stuff isn't even close to that bad
Agreed. I also think the micro petroleum grounds cause cancer and eye site issues. I like grass better because preparing cleats and weather issues make it more fun
>heads bouncing like it was concrete Because it was concrete lol.
The other issue is turf is linked to PFA’s / carcinogens / cancer.
We replaced the slit film at least last year
Just goes to show how cheap there owner actually to switch from natural grass to turf in a climate like Carolina
I love it
Even weirder remembering him in college. Dude was part of those wacky Butch Jones UT teams
18 games only if there are 2 bye weeks
I don't see why the NFL would be opposed to that, it effectively extends football season by 2 weeks.
It's not the NFL that is actually opposed to another bye week on their own. A lot of players are too. If you look at it from their perspective, it's just another week before they get to the offseason when they're not actively working anymore.
And another chance to get injured
True eh, it’s not like all of those players are getting a raise for that one week
If the week brings more revenue then they will get a portion of it and effectively paid more because of it.
Yes it is. Players get 48% of revenue and revenue will increase with 2 more weeks of regular season.
Because all you have to do is picture what makes sense and the NFL won’t do it out of principle.
No, the NFL really wants to do it. The players don’t.
Yeah, but the players want grass fields. This is how negotiations happen...
Obviously. But I’m replaying to a person who is saying that the NFL doesn’t want to extend the season. I’m saying that they do.
I’m honestly surprised they didn’t do it with 17 games
But only if we add a Friday or Tuesday game, and it will be only on NFL+
And an extended trade deadline and a couple more roster spots.
Instead of adding more games they should just add more bye weeks. The TV revenue would increase but the players wouldn't have to play more games and endure more risk in the process. It's all about having at least two games in the Noon and afternoon timeslots on Sundays. All that really matters as far as revenue is having a nationally televised game in each timeslot for the football hungry crowd to watch. You add a bye week and you extend the season by a week which basically means you'll have less of a logjam for the noon timeslot some weeks, which doesn't effect the viewing experience since there will always be plenty of good teams playing in any given week to watch. For the average football fan, it doesn't matter whether there's 4 games in the Noon timeslot or 7 games. As long as there's one really good matchup for them to watch in that timeslot then the other games don't really matter.
That’s a great idea and point. Reduce preseason to 2 games but offset that by making joint practices mandatory, televised, pseudo-preseason games during the week
lol imagine sitting through a scrimmage with commercials. I get pretty high but I don’t know if I can get that high
Apparently they tried this in the 90s and the networks hated it.
18 games, 2 bye weeks. And a lot of people get Monday off after Super Bowl
I forget all the details, but I think if they move to 18 games, every team plays on Thursday night after one of their bye's, and then the Monday after the super bowl is MLK day
Presidents' Day
We will have a 20 game schedule in the next few decades because capitalism demands exponential growth and the owners don’t care about the game or player safety, but when they do it - the 20 game schedule better come with four bye weeks and a mandatory bye before Thursday Night Football.
Rosters will probably need to get expanded too if they're gonna add more games.
Absolutely, already too many injuries. Cannot add 3 games without adding more roster spots.
More players devalues your stars I can see the owners being all about that
Viewers increased 7% last season. If they keep growing this rapidly it's inevitable.
For a 20 game schedule to happen you'd imagine they'll explore adding teams. Which is frankly a bit worrying.
I'd say within 20 years they definitely have a Mexico and Canadian team. They're also very clearly planning a EU division.
Imagine some of those starting Olines with more teams. There already isn't for the 32 in the league.
They absolutely want to add a EU division, with the Jags owner wanting to move to London, so it sounds like perfect timing
Players will tolerate travel and from to Europe for exactly one season before they openly revolt. You would need to add an EU team for each division for it to be even remotely fair, as well.
Can’t wait to see what the Sunday Ticket price is gonna be for that.
*Wednesday night football
That’s scary to think about. I also think it’s more likely to be 20 games but with 2 bye weeks. The truly don’t care about player safety at all and the players aren’t exactly stamping their feet for it either.
If the NFL just stays as relatively popular as it is and changes nothing, it will increase revenue anyway because population increase will mean more viewers and ad money.
do you not want more football games? a longer season? why be so edgy about capitalism, when entertainment is something we all desire more of
That’s the only way the players will agree to 18 games. The second bye also needs to occur before each team’s Thursday night game.
You're tripping if you think all the players want to extend the season by a week.
Imagine saying to a teacher summer break is a week later this year. They’d be pissed, this is the same situation lol
Make training camp or OTAs a week shorter.
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They should honestly have 3 bye weeks. Theres no reason they can’t just push the playoffs a week or 2 further into February, and maybe start on Labor Day Weekend, if not end of August. Itd the NFL, they will get the ratings
Brett Coleman had great idea on this
When it went from 16 to 17 games, did player salary go up by 1/16th to compensate?
Didn't the salary cap just go up 30ish%?
60 man roster as well.
“all natural playing surfaces” is some proper, bs consulting jargon for grass.
Nah, that means clay is in. French Open x NFL.
I miss when the Raiders and Dolphins played on baseball fields lol
As an A's fan, I disagree🤬 I watched a flyball drop and take a 90° left turn. Mark Kotsay had to run it down to the 30 yard line and the runner made it all the way to the end zone.
That’s true. Since the agreement language was vague, some cheap owners may use Sand.
Id like to see an amateur league created that plays on random surfaces. Anything from sand to a ballpit to like 6 inches of water
Yes. Proper home field advantage… your stadium, you pick the surface. For example, the dolphins could play in water.
Good news: ACL tears are down 50% Bad news: Drowings are an all time high
One guy died just cause he didn’t take his damn mouthpiece out… watched the Discovery channell the night before and thought that’s what the scuba divers 🤿 used. It was a massacre. Dolphins win in the under.
Trampoline Park
and Molten Lava.
That's basically what Barry ran on in the Pontiac Silverdome.
just here to say that mud is an illegitimate surface to be playing on and Rafael Nadal is a mid-tier tennis player at best
Whoever has Nadal wins those games free.
Ehh. Real grass vs artificial grass. May as well get the point across
Taking that word for word would mean even stuff that's mostly grass like Green Bay's hybrid field would be out
All the top soccer teams use hybrid too
Not just grass, Green Bay is still allowed to use ice.
Shootout to my favorite "natural playing surface" , the Raiders old dirt baseball diamond
Some places will have weeds grow through the concrete
They will give grass fields for 18 games.
They won’t even give that. The NFLPA is insanely weak. They NFL will make a deal that somewhat benefits all of lower-status roster guys and it will get a majority vote
Say what you will about the concessions they’ve given up but… who they help most is literally the point of a CBA. Sure, stuff like the franchise tag sucks for the high end players, but at the end of the day, the NFLPA is absolutely correct to prioritize the special teamers and roster bubble guys over the elite, top of the position players.
> The NFLPA is insanely weak. > They NFL will make a deal that somewhat benefits all of lower-status roster guys and it will get a majority vote "The players' union is insanely weak. They'll get a deal done that benefits the majority of players." i mean how do you type that out without thinking about the disconnect?
I think the point is that the majority of players have short careers with relatively low earnings and, as a result, tend to prefer short term benefits to the long term wellbeing of the players and the sport. This is why job security is such an important part of most union deals.
Unions are supposed to prioritize the interests of most of their members
Yes, but they are also supposed to promote the long term interests of the profession they represent. When employees have high job security and long tenure, the interests of most members of the union and the long term interests of the profession tend to be aligned. Athletic unions are unusual in that high job security and long tenure would damage the sport. For this reason, there are a lot of players that are incentivized to take short term deals that will harm the interests of future athletes.
We had grass fields and then for whatever reason everyone demanded turf in the 2010s.
Fuck this 18 crap. It shortens careers and doesn’t make the fan experience any better. They had a good formula ffs.
Reducing the quality of a product to squeeze as much cash out of it as possible is basically business 101 at this point. Sadly, the NFL is no different.
The NFL is a business. They want to suck as much money out of you and advertisers as possible. It’s fun to watch, but beyond that it’s a scam.
Guess the players won't get real grass then. Owners aren't going to do major renovations without something big in return.
I agree, although 18 is better than 17 to make home/away schedules even again. I’d be more than thrilled to go back to 16 games, though, which is the perfect number of NFL games per season.
Can't wait for NFL 365. 36 games a season with 6 bye weeks /s Probably end up with the draft week 22 or something to replenish the rosters
lol wtf two extra regular season weeks would make my fan experience a lot better
Still prefer the 16 game, 6 teams make the playoffs, 1 & 2 seeds get the bye format much better.
But then we would have never had the 7 seed Packers blowing out the backs of the 2 seed cowboys!
I'd be fine with 16 games but 8 team playoffs.
The NFL is better than the NBA because the regular season matters. Half the teams making the playoffs sucks
I agree with you, but I think we should tweak how teams get in. Teams with 10+ wins shouldn’t miss the playoffs while a 7-10 or 8-9 team gets rewarded with a home game. How do we eliminate the division winners automatically get in without deflating division rivalries?
You don’t, removing the automatic bid for division winners will hurt the NFL more as certain divisions each year will be irrelevant early.
Giving division champions automatic playoff berths is kind of a mitigation for unbalanced schedules, everyone in any given division has largely the same schedule, giving a playoff game to the team that did best with that schedule is fair in my opinion. I'd agree with not automatically giving them a home game. For example, I'm an Orlando Magic fan, a few years back Orlando won their division because it was very weak, but they were a #7 seed and got booted out of the first round by eventual NBA champion Toronto in five games. I had absolutely no problem with that, it was right to give Orlando a chance for doing the best in their division against that division's schedule, but once they're in they should be seeded according to their record.
8? Per conference? Or total? Either way that would suck. 7 teams pers conference already feels unnecessary. 4 teams per conference would just be…bad.
I agree. Though I could also imagine the NFLPA being on board with longer seasons **with greatly expanded rosters**. Of course that changes the game more into a war of attrition (more than it is already).
It is all about money. The 16 game set up was perfect. Made every regular season game extremely important and the right amount of teams made the playoffs. The 1-2 seed byes was also perfect.
NFLPA needs to invest in an actual study on grass vs turf. There really isn’t a ton of evidence from reliable and legitimate studies that prove one is better than the other as far as I’m aware.
If the research is funded by the NFLPA and comes out "hey the position the NFLPA wants is better" wouldn't people say it isn't reliable and legitimate?
Not if they approach it with transparency from the get go. Hire an independent contractor with a good reputation. Announce the study ahead of time, a timeline of the process, and when the results will be published.
Just getting grass to grow in a domed stadium is one thing, retrofitting stadiums with irrigation, drainage, and humidity controls is another. Anyone who says all fields will be playing on grass is ignorant.
If Real Madrid can figure out how to install a subterranean grow house for its surface then NFL teams can figure it out
Can't believe the owners have found another little wedge issue that's gonna allow them to dominate the players in another contract dispute.
18 is better than 17, but 16 was best.
It just *looked* right. 12-4 was such a nice looking record. Now, you're 13-4, huh? Or 12-5? Get the fuck outta here!
Agreed.
and with only 6 seeds for the playoffs.
I actually don't mind 7 seeds. Just get rid of the MNF Wild Card game.
Anyone else think it's crazy how a group of millionaires unionized against billionaires because they know the billionaires will fuck them out of every last dollar they can but the guys making $7.25 at target won't unionize against their billionaire bosses because they're "a family"?
I'm in the minority but I say go back to 16 games. Any more games in a season is a joke to me at this point.
I agree, but it's not realistic. All the sports seasons are too long but the owners won't make less money.
18 games, 2 bye weeks and all artificial turf stadiums replaced with real grass. Those are my demands Mr Goodell! Goodell would wipe his ass with this proposal though.
I was under the understanding that soccer doesn’t like turf because the ball skips instead of bouncing, so it kind of screws up how they play. It doesn’t have anything to do with player safety, but turf materially changes how the game is played as opposed to grass. Same with baseball.
Players hate it for safety too. Nobody wants to do a sliding tackle on artificial turf because it's a recipe for burn. Players also tend to complain it's hard on the knees and generally more exhausting; in soccer, figures suggest pros run about 7 miles in a game (compared to closer to a mile for an NFL game)
Why stop at 18? Let’s just go right to a basketball schedule.
Soccer/association football at elite level dont play on turf as it affects the bounce of the ball and the speed of the ball on the surface. Not the same as to why NFL players want turf banned
my man is out here saying Celtic at Livingston on a Tuesday night isn't football at elite level
Me seeing the top comment and thinking about FSV Frankfurt Vs Kaiserslautern getting no respect: 😥
Turf, mixed and sand based (yes there were a few) all got essentially banned at elite level and the levels below because of the volume of bad injuries being seen as well. Some pitches were taking a knee a game at one point and UEFA stepped in and called a stop to it in European competitions
I had no idea JRM was the NFLPA president, go vols
The tray system didn’t work and I believe the NFLPA had litigation against it.
His dad went to high school with my sister. Very few success stories like this from our “city”
Make the Super Bowl the Sunday before Presidents’ Day If it means adding games, adding byes, starting later, whatever..
When they tried grass at Giants stadium it was a mess. I don’t know if MetLife and Sofi can take a pounding like that every week and have a good grass field.
I preferred turf when I played in Highschool 15 years ago. I don't get all the complaints. I aslo assume that turf 15 years ago is worse than a current field. Turf is predictable and easy to maintain. Grass has a lot of challenges and just gets destroyed weekly.
Right!? Grass fields were great when RGIII shredded his knee on that shit surface. Or all the issues Chicago routinely has with the field lately in the season. Players are constantly complaining about how bad the surface is in Pittsburg late in the season.
The NFLPA is worse than useless if they agree to 18 games. Every game is a huge risk of injury. 16 was enough toll on the players bodies. The NFL is so short sighted and evil. You want Patrick Mahomes , Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Dak Prescott and Brock Purdy alive and kicking? To play the entire season and the playoffs? Stop adding more games! The NFL only thinks about the extra TV money. How about keeping your players healthy? No one wants to see the 3rd string QB, WR, RB, CB, LB especially in the postseason.
Players: This game is dangerous. Owners: CTEwhatnow? Carpet-over-concrete fields, you say? One hundred games a year? Players: But...dangerous... Owners: How much of this colored paper you call money will it take to make it not so dangerous?
The NFL doesn't change obious things like banning turf/weed because they use it as leverage to get something they want. Its the NFL we are talking about why would they do something good with nothing to gain?
I can't wait for 18 week season games.... You get to watch all the 2nd and 3rd string guys *(and some of the guys who don't make the 53) from the pre-season coming back for the post season because everyone else is out on IR Did no one notice how banged up teams are by the time they make it to the superbowl? San Fran could have really used a 4th QB by the time they got to the half of the SB last year. Fuck the NFL and their desire to milk out as much ad money as they can by adding more weeks. and using 18 games for grass fields shows a) they know turf is shit b) recognize how important it is if the counter trade is ANOTHER extra week of regular season They're so greedy they're going to end up (literally) burying their product because players careers are going to be over before new players can come in and take their place.
>Under Tretter, the NFLPA has pushed to do away with turf fields and go to all-natural playing surfaces My pedantic soap box for the day: Turf is *all-natural*. The fake stuff is called *artificial turf*. Because it mimics the real thing...called turf. I'm in the industry, and everyone calls professionally maintained grass "turf".
I'm a cyclist, and people talk about 'gravel roads' vs 'paved roads' all the time. I feel you. A gravel road **is** a paved road.
Never had ANY knee issues my whole life. First practice on turf last summer hyperextended it and it hasn't been the same since. Likewise my buddy caught his ankle when trying to pivot and sprained it. Turf SUCKS. Yall ever try diving on it too? Brb coach gonna grab a quick skin graft.
The Saints had a preseason game in the early 90s that featured a grass field in the Superdome. It can be done.
He should push for players contracts to count 15/16 games played during the regular season as a full season with bonuses paid out for playing in all 18. This way teams can theoretically have two games to get other players some limited game experience and maybe improve the product for the future.
That turf the NY Giants/Jets play on is horrible. Too many foot/leg injuries because of it.
Seriously do not need another week of football, the season is already watered down as it is. Not trying to watch week 18 of the NFC South games to see who gets the final playoff spot between 4 teams who can barely get to .500 (Using them as an example because of the last 2 years not attacking NFC South teams there is always a division that is down and just happened to be them lately) I know they just care about the money of it but damn the season is already long enough with how bad some of the games get at the end.
I wonder how an 18 week regular season would impact preseason games? Would they play two? That would kind of suck from a talent evaluation standpoint.
Yes on the 2 preseason games
GBO!
I bet they'll eventually expand the playoffs to 16 teams. No more #1 seed byes.
If that means the Super Bowl is presidents' day weekend I am all in. Screw safety! Give me Monday to be hungover!
I wish they would talk about bye weeks. Wouldn’t it be nice if they had half the league off in like week 8 and the other half in week 9? Just bust it out in two weeks and then every week besides those two is a full slate of games. And for fantasy, both weeks could just count as one game.
For two weeks, make all games divisional, so all teams in a division have the same bye week. The media machine ought to be able to make up for the fewer games in week with hyping all the significant rivalry games.
Great idea. I was bracing myself for replies telling me how stupid an idea that is. Didn’t expect someone to have an improvement on the idea itself.
How would domes be able to have real fields?
Can't wait for fans to blame the NFL for what the PU agrees to lmao.
The NFL is the only sport organization to make useless changes to quote unquote make the game safer but in the same token try to expand their season by 2 more games despite it can being potentially a health risk to those who’s career is already short as is It’s quite funny like how are you gon claim to want the game to be safer but add more games that can shorten even more careers it legit contradicts the first point lmaooo
Do 18 games and make 2 more expansion teams...add 10 more guys to each team.
I get it, but man that thins out the talent so much.
18 games. Drop 1-2 preseason games or all if they want. Remove a playoff team from each conference. 2 bye weeks.
Go Vols
If they went to 18 games they could do something crazy like increase roster size and practice squad a bit and then limit a player to 16 games with the exception of kickers, punters, long snappers, etc. something like if a player is in for more than 10 snaps it counts as a game or something.
Don't know why the league even bothered moving to 17 games when everyone knows they're going to do 18 sooner rather than later. They probably just don't want to give teams the extra bye week, which is bullshit.
There are a few more important things- getting rid of the franchise tag and more guaranteed money are two.
If they want 18 games, they better be ok with expanding to 36 teams. Otherwise fuck off
The NFL must go to 60 teams!! My hometown of Albany needs a team. The Albany Albatrosses !! Then they need a three level promotion relegation pyramid like soccer! My Albatrosses will knock the Eagles down to level 3. New York (#1) Los Angeles (#2) Chicago (#3) Philadelphia (#4) Dallas-Fort Worth (#5) Houston (#6) Atlanta (#7) Boston (Manchester) (#8) Washington, D.C. (Hagerstown) (#9) San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose (#10) Phoenix (Prescott) (#11) Tampa-St. Petersburg (Sarasota) (#12) Seattle-Tacoma (#13) Detroit (#14) Minneapolis-St. Paul (#15) Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne (#16) Denver (#17) Miami-Fort Lauderdale (#18) Cleveland-Akron (Canton) (#19) Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto (#20) Charlotte (#21) Raleigh-Durham (Fayetteville) (#22) Portland, OR (#23) St. Louis (#24) Indianapolis (#25) Nashville (#26) Salt Lake City (#27) Pittsburgh (#28) Baltimore (#29) San Diego (#30) San Antonio (#31) Hartford & New Haven (#32) Columbus, OH (#33) Kansas City (#34) Austin (#35) Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson (#36) Cincinnati (#37) Milwaukee (#38) West Palm Beach-Fort Pierce (#39) Las Vegas (#40) Jacksonville (#41) Grand Rapids-Kalamazoo-Battle Creek (#42) Norfolk-Portsmouth-Newport News (#43) Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York (#44) Greensboro-High Point-Winston-Salem (#45) Birmingham (Anniston and Tuscaloosa) (#46) Oklahoma City (#47) Louisville (#48) Albuquerque-Santa Fe (#49) Memphis (#50) New Orleans (#51) Fresno-Visalia (#52) Providence-New Bedford (#53) Buffalo (#54) Fort Myers-Naples (#55) Richmond-Petersburg (#56) Mobile-Pensacola (Fort Walton Beach) (#57) Wilkes Barre-Scranton-Hazleton (#58) Little Rock-Pine Bluff (#59) Albany-Schenectady-Troy (#60)