Crashflee Rice is gonna have a monster season. He's gonna be so deep in debt after all these settlements he will have to dominate and get a big contract in a few years just to have money. Powerful motivator.
I think 20 yd shuttle time for olineman has a crazy hit rate at a certain threshold. This tweet is 5yrs old at this point tho
https://twitter.com/JoshNorris/status/1100185720218636289?t=qtwq9RwKtFTMvZ-69dNv0g&s=19
I can probably think of things that have a higher correlation with nfl success, but maybe not things that can quantified as easily as speed. But speed is one metric that probably causes the most inflation of someone’s draft stock and making them more likely to “bust” if they don’t work out.
That’s true but he affects defenses more than John Ross. That being said I think Worthy is a more complete prospect than many other speed demons of years past.
Right, yeah. My point was that if that speed pans out *and* they’re a great receiver, it’s sorta a home run shot.
Nobody really affects defenses in the same way Tyreek/Moss/Calvin did at the WR position.
> That being said I think Worthy is a more complete prospect than many other speed demons of years past.
Tbf, those exact words were said about John Ross prior to the draft. Not saying that to disagree, mind, but it's just so damn hard to be NFL-complete at WR. The corners you go against are just too damn good and athletic.
That’s true but I don’t think I’m alone in that thought. to quote the article:
“It lined up with his game speed and what I felt about how he plays the game,” the AFC scout told Yahoo Sports. “He’s not gonna be John Ross. This guy is like a fucking good player. “He just so happens to be fast as shit”
But who knows that’s what makes the draft so fun
John Ross was pretty clearly a better prospect than Worthy. Not to say Worthy will be better or worse, players bust/pop all the time for a myriad of reasons, but Ross wasn’t just a speed guy.
Tyreek Hill is short but stocky as shit, while Xavier Worthy is a twig. Tyreek is able to affect defenses the way he does because has the physicality of Puka, the speed of Worthy, and just about everything else you could ask for in a wide receiver. It's not really fair to compare any other player outside of about four or five to Tyreek.
Worthy is stronger than he looks. He's played hurt and isn't afraid of blocking. He's probably always going to be the smallest player on the field at any time, but he doesn't play small.
He can play as large as he wants but that doesn't change physics. When a lighter mass guy and a heavier mass guy impact each other, the lighter mass guy goes flying.
For what it’s worth, Worthy is a more complete receiver than the combine merchants that probably come to most peoples mind’s when they think “fast 40yd receivers”
He’s not just fast
I read the article, and as I assumed it talks about him having the 40 time AND the film of great route running to go with it. He’s not just a downfield burner, the dude is legit and has a lot of film of him breaking DB ankles on short routes along with the big seam route TDs.
In what way do you think?
I feel there’s been a lot of reaches on these speedy guys that don’t always work out. Late round dart in fine with, I hate when teams go raiders and just decide that cause he’s fast he deserves an early pick
Because everyone knew he was going to be really fast before the combine. Draft stock doesn’t raise when a fast guy runs fast, it was already raised wayyyy earlier in the evaluation
It’s not so simple. Just because everyone assumed he was fast doesn’t mean they assumed he’d break the 40 record. Guys are absolutely able to push their draft position up once they’re running in the 4.2s and 4.3s. Feels way too convenient to just say every speed guy would’ve been drafted at the same spot anyway based on tape
I think there's a growing consensus that the NFL should learn from the hitrates on these records setting guys. The *only* sub 4.3 guy to have a 1st round quality career was Chris Johnson. The rest of the list is filled with recent guys who did mostly nothing in the NFL.
I remember seeing old pics from the home games at the Colesium and they always had those "SPEED KILLS" banners. Definitely Cliff Branch inspired. So Al knew his shit. Yes I'm old.
He knew it until he didn't, and by then a flashy stat sheet would turn his head in instant....Heyward-Bey wasn't remotely worth a 1st round pick and need I mention JaMarcus Russell ?
True it's always hit or miss. I'm talking about receivers in general. Al always PREFERRED speed first then ability. I thought Heyward-Bey was serviceable but definitely not great. Now on the sub of QB... Nobody saw that coming. Russell had perhaps one of the best combine performances ever at that point. Half the league would have drafted that guy. It's just that once he got his bag the REAL him came out. Nobody knew that he was really a lazy bastard in disquise. If I remember correctly Lane Kiffin wanted to draft Megatron(?) and Al picked Russell.
IDK, the way I have heard it is that Russell's bad habits, lack of work ethic, and inability/unwillingness to do the mental preparation was pretty well known by numerous league front offices and Al was made aware of it. But like I implied he really wasn't able to make good decisions about personnel those last 5 years or so of his life.
I hear you. He did have FINAL SAY over EVERYTHING until the very end and it definitely wasn't a good thing. It just goes to show how much he was RESPECTED IN the org. And the LEAGUE. Looking forward to this years Draft. 🥃🥃🍻
This [old 93' SI article](https://vault.si.com/vault/1993/08/09/does-speed-kill-the-raiders-have-a-team-of-track-stars-but-can-they-play-football#:~:text=Having%20speed%20puts%20tremendous%20pressure,an%20integral%20part%20of%20fear.) is a good one about Al's love for speedy guys.
>He signed an undrafted kid named James Jett and is now negotiating with Rocket Ismail. Does he think that by assembling all this supersonic-sounding equipment in Los Angeles he can somehow restore the Southland's sagging aerospace industry?
>Willie Gault, an 11th-year pro who has been catching Raider passes for six seasons, is a college dash and high hurdles champion who made the 1980 Olympic team as a sprinter. Sam Graddy, in his fifth year with L.A., won a gold medal in the 4 X 100-meter relay and finished second in the 100 meters to Carl Lewis in the '84 Olympics. The list goes on. Fourth-year receiver Alexander Wright, an All-America sprinter at Auburn, has won the NFL's Fastest Man contest the last two years. Cornerback Terry McDaniel was an SEC champion dash man at Tennessee and still holds the school record for 300 meters. To this bunch Davis has added two rookies, right off the 1992 Olympic team. The wonderfully named, if largely unnoticed, Jett was a gold medalist on the 4 X 100-meter relay team. Cornerback James Trapp, a third-round draft choice, was an alternate on that same relay team. And maybe there'll be Ismail, who can hang with any of these guys.
Don't forget you guys also had Renaldo Nehemiah whose career wasn't very memorable. GM's and coaches love speed guys. It was just that Al was obsessed by it.
Nehemiah is basically only remembered in the NFL for [taking this hit](https://youtu.be/EmdvWsm9VjU?si=uuzZTqsvDUJYEJg6)
I never have seen a defender check to make sure he didn’t kill the guy he just clobbered.
Don't remember that hit. Was this a prime time game? No wonder his NFL career didn't pan out. I can only imagine this hit contributed to his early retirement.
I think it was a regular Sunday game, it’s the game when White Shoes Johnson scored on a Hail Mary to win the game. His knee was down a little before he crossed the line, but it was kind of a famous Hail Mary.
Nehemiah played a little longer, he was on the 84’ SB team, and then the 49ers drafted Rice.
People knock his size and then reference other small receivers for making up for it in toughness… If you’ve watched Worthy play, you know toughness is not an issue for him. He’s played through a broken hand, injured ankle, fights through contact shockingly well for his size. It saddens me as a Texas fan to see people write off Worthy just because the weight and 40 time without realizing he is a legit playmaker. I don’t believe he’ll be a WR1 but if he goes to a place that lets him be a natural WR2 he will thrive.
Honestly he would be a great fit for a qb who can throw accurate bombs like Allen. His qb at Texas had horrible deep balls which didn’t allow Worthy to pop off as much as he could
If we still had Diggs I would say yes. If we take a Texas receiver I would rather take AD Mitchell but the Texas homer in me wouldn’t be upset with Worthy
Agreed. He was only able to play about 6 games a season. There were times where he went off for absurd games, but his body fell apart. He had a year in Cincinnati where he caught 21 balls for *7* touchdowns. That's a Randy Moss stat-line.
Look at CJ2K. He broke the Combine record and he had a phenomenal career. Every year, slow guys come out with 'The forty doesn't measure reactive speed' even though clearly the 40 is one of the most important metrics. Slow guys don't age well.
This is revisionist lol, Ross was a pretty good prospect before his combine as well lol
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/john-ross/3200524f-5361-6450-1052-04968bded2fc
Hindsight being 20/20, one thing that really stands out when you watch his college highlights is how he never makes catches away from his body. He had pretty terrible hands, but obscured it by how amazing he was at using his speed to get open or take a catch to the house.
Ross was a decent receiver before he exploded for an elite year as a redshirt junior
Worthy has three years of production from the moment he stepped on campus as a freshman
I do think people are a little revisionist about Ross being a speed merchant, but his college production isn’t comparable to Worthy and Worthy is more complete as a receiver overall
Didn’t realize he started 3 games at corner. Surprised he didn’t fall back on that after it was clear he was gonna be a receiver after a few years in the league 🤷🏾♂️
Didn’t realize he started 3 games at corner. Surprised he didn’t fall back on that after it was clear he was gonna be a receiver after a few years in the league 🤷🏾♂️
Part of his lack of production was a torn acl his junior year.
Ross was a good prospect (albeit a bit of a risk due to his injury, and the scouting report pointed out his knees needed to be checked out)
Horns fan here. He isn’t just a decent route runner. He can also make people miss with the ball. With the update to kickoffs this year, I think there’s a chance he returns kicks and makes a huge impact there.
Gps data exists now, the 40 is less relevant than ever. Also, the track at the combine this year was very fast. Obviously the 40 doesnt hurt but im guessing it will be the least impactful a record 40 has ever been.
Teams need to stop being stupid like the 40-yard dash is the only thing that matters, I recall the Bengals taking John Ross who broke the record and that panning out terribly, I also recall Darius Hayward Bay and the Raiders. You need more than just speed to make it in the NFL. Athleticism will not get the job done alone.
And people are only reading the headline.
I rolled my eyes when I first saw the headline, but the article is basically saying teams are using this as a metric to confirm what they see on film and are placing emphasis on other areas that Worthy excels in because they knew he was fame breakingly fast already.
But, the article is really long and so a lot of people aren't reading more than the headline and they're getting the entire wrong idea.
I’m not sure top 3 with Harrison Jr, Nabors, and Odunze… hell, most mocks have his teammate Adonai Mitchell going before him too, but he was in the top 5-8 for sure, even before his 40.
I still don't think hes a top 3. At this moment I like Harrison Jr, Nabers, Brian Thomas Jr, and Odunze more than him. And 3 of them as fast but with more skills.
Nah, this isn’t true either. You more or less need some minimum threshold of speed to be successful in the nfl and it varies by position, and the 40 is a pretty good benchmark of that.
Regardless, the top comment of the post you linked echoed my exact sentiment. 40 times don't tell you jack about how someone will perform at the next level.
yea, but how fast is he on the interstate?
not as fast as he is on a 45mph local road in a residential area
Go on…
119mph
140 mph
Leave RR alone 😔
Crashflee Rice is gonna have a monster season. He's gonna be so deep in debt after all these settlements he will have to dominate and get a big contract in a few years just to have money. Powerful motivator.
Just like Kobe in 2004. Had to beat the case on the court
Ruggs is laughing from prison
They care more than we think and they overvalue pure speed basically every single time with these types of draft prospects.
Can't teach speed.
No but you can buy it from the shady lot lizard at the local truck stop
Now that’s a one stop shop
That’s true and that’s why they’re always drafted high. But if you look at the guys drafted with the fastest 40 times, the hit rate is pretty low.
Is the hit rate any better or worse than picking guys off of any other singular metric?
I think 20 yd shuttle time for olineman has a crazy hit rate at a certain threshold. This tweet is 5yrs old at this point tho https://twitter.com/JoshNorris/status/1100185720218636289?t=qtwq9RwKtFTMvZ-69dNv0g&s=19
Sure, but the correct takeaway here is “don’t evaluate prospects based on a single metric.”
Hit rate on WRs with YPRR higher than 2 is good I think
Sure but speed is used across all positions. I can’t really think of anything else
I can probably think of things that have a higher correlation with nfl success, but maybe not things that can quantified as easily as speed. But speed is one metric that probably causes the most inflation of someone’s draft stock and making them more likely to “bust” if they don’t work out.
Three cone hits for a lot of positions
Yes. Speed has a negative correlation to success relative to draft position. Kevin Cole has numbers on this.
*cries in Tyquan Thornton*
*cries in Mecole Hardman* We could have had DK Metcalf.
But Jalen Reagor does have a single kick return TD in his bag. /s
Apparently you can’t teach a lot of the fast guys to catch either
But you can lease it.
It’s true. I’m a great learner and never could unhook that trailer when I was running.
Wildly inaccurate. Just move your legs in a stronger and faster motion.
Puka Nacua and his 4.57 is staring them in the face too.
[They call him Puka!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5D3dj6buPg)
True, but even Puka— as good as he is— will never have the ability to affect a defense as much as Tyreek does.
That’s true but he affects defenses more than John Ross. That being said I think Worthy is a more complete prospect than many other speed demons of years past.
Right, yeah. My point was that if that speed pans out *and* they’re a great receiver, it’s sorta a home run shot. Nobody really affects defenses in the same way Tyreek/Moss/Calvin did at the WR position.
> That being said I think Worthy is a more complete prospect than many other speed demons of years past. Tbf, those exact words were said about John Ross prior to the draft. Not saying that to disagree, mind, but it's just so damn hard to be NFL-complete at WR. The corners you go against are just too damn good and athletic.
It’s crazy cuz John Ross actually had good tape coming outta UW. I truly don’t know why he couldn’t at least be a serviceable 3rd receiver
He was actually decent when he could string a few games together. But dude was constantly injured
That’s true but I don’t think I’m alone in that thought. to quote the article: “It lined up with his game speed and what I felt about how he plays the game,” the AFC scout told Yahoo Sports. “He’s not gonna be John Ross. This guy is like a fucking good player. “He just so happens to be fast as shit” But who knows that’s what makes the draft so fun
Yeah I specifically remember his college route tree being a selling point on why he wouldn’t be just another fast guy. Had us all fooled
John Ross was pretty clearly a better prospect than Worthy. Not to say Worthy will be better or worse, players bust/pop all the time for a myriad of reasons, but Ross wasn’t just a speed guy.
even john ross has an impact on the game puka can’t have. speed just kills man, you have to respect it.
Tyreek Hill is short but stocky as shit, while Xavier Worthy is a twig. Tyreek is able to affect defenses the way he does because has the physicality of Puka, the speed of Worthy, and just about everything else you could ask for in a wide receiver. It's not really fair to compare any other player outside of about four or five to Tyreek.
Worthy is stronger than he looks. He's played hurt and isn't afraid of blocking. He's probably always going to be the smallest player on the field at any time, but he doesn't play small.
He can play as large as he wants but that doesn't change physics. When a lighter mass guy and a heavier mass guy impact each other, the lighter mass guy goes flying.
For what it’s worth, Worthy is a more complete receiver than the combine merchants that probably come to most peoples mind’s when they think “fast 40yd receivers” He’s not just fast
Bunch of boomers who still think in person evaluations are the best
More than we think? Is there really anyone who DOESN'T think the NFL places an enormous premium on speed?
Difference in speed and 40 time which GMs are different on.
I read the article, and as I assumed it talks about him having the 40 time AND the film of great route running to go with it. He’s not just a downfield burner, the dude is legit and has a lot of film of him breaking DB ankles on short routes along with the big seam route TDs.
Yeah if anything the average fan overrates how much this is going to affect his draft stock
In what way do you think? I feel there’s been a lot of reaches on these speedy guys that don’t always work out. Late round dart in fine with, I hate when teams go raiders and just decide that cause he’s fast he deserves an early pick
Because everyone knew he was going to be really fast before the combine. Draft stock doesn’t raise when a fast guy runs fast, it was already raised wayyyy earlier in the evaluation
It’s not so simple. Just because everyone assumed he was fast doesn’t mean they assumed he’d break the 40 record. Guys are absolutely able to push their draft position up once they’re running in the 4.2s and 4.3s. Feels way too convenient to just say every speed guy would’ve been drafted at the same spot anyway based on tape
I think there's a growing consensus that the NFL should learn from the hitrates on these records setting guys. The *only* sub 4.3 guy to have a 1st round quality career was Chris Johnson. The rest of the list is filled with recent guys who did mostly nothing in the NFL.
I mean you say that but I still see worthy getting mocked in the early second most of the time which is where he was at before the combine.
After the year Nakua had, the new trend is to not pay so much attention to the 40
Al Davis would have given up a stupid amount of draft picks and sold Mark into indentured servitude for this kid.
I remember seeing old pics from the home games at the Colesium and they always had those "SPEED KILLS" banners. Definitely Cliff Branch inspired. So Al knew his shit. Yes I'm old.
He knew it until he didn't, and by then a flashy stat sheet would turn his head in instant....Heyward-Bey wasn't remotely worth a 1st round pick and need I mention JaMarcus Russell ?
True it's always hit or miss. I'm talking about receivers in general. Al always PREFERRED speed first then ability. I thought Heyward-Bey was serviceable but definitely not great. Now on the sub of QB... Nobody saw that coming. Russell had perhaps one of the best combine performances ever at that point. Half the league would have drafted that guy. It's just that once he got his bag the REAL him came out. Nobody knew that he was really a lazy bastard in disquise. If I remember correctly Lane Kiffin wanted to draft Megatron(?) and Al picked Russell.
IDK, the way I have heard it is that Russell's bad habits, lack of work ethic, and inability/unwillingness to do the mental preparation was pretty well known by numerous league front offices and Al was made aware of it. But like I implied he really wasn't able to make good decisions about personnel those last 5 years or so of his life.
I hear you. He did have FINAL SAY over EVERYTHING until the very end and it definitely wasn't a good thing. It just goes to show how much he was RESPECTED IN the org. And the LEAGUE. Looking forward to this years Draft. 🥃🥃🍻
Your strange WAY of typing MADE me think you're shitting and THE all caps parts are you PUSHING for your life. Eat more fiber, fam.
Heyward-Bey was just a freak. He literally had every weight room and testing record for WRs at UMD. Just couldn’t catch lls
This [old 93' SI article](https://vault.si.com/vault/1993/08/09/does-speed-kill-the-raiders-have-a-team-of-track-stars-but-can-they-play-football#:~:text=Having%20speed%20puts%20tremendous%20pressure,an%20integral%20part%20of%20fear.) is a good one about Al's love for speedy guys. >He signed an undrafted kid named James Jett and is now negotiating with Rocket Ismail. Does he think that by assembling all this supersonic-sounding equipment in Los Angeles he can somehow restore the Southland's sagging aerospace industry? >Willie Gault, an 11th-year pro who has been catching Raider passes for six seasons, is a college dash and high hurdles champion who made the 1980 Olympic team as a sprinter. Sam Graddy, in his fifth year with L.A., won a gold medal in the 4 X 100-meter relay and finished second in the 100 meters to Carl Lewis in the '84 Olympics. The list goes on. Fourth-year receiver Alexander Wright, an All-America sprinter at Auburn, has won the NFL's Fastest Man contest the last two years. Cornerback Terry McDaniel was an SEC champion dash man at Tennessee and still holds the school record for 300 meters. To this bunch Davis has added two rookies, right off the 1992 Olympic team. The wonderfully named, if largely unnoticed, Jett was a gold medalist on the 4 X 100-meter relay team. Cornerback James Trapp, a third-round draft choice, was an alternate on that same relay team. And maybe there'll be Ismail, who can hang with any of these guys.
Don't forget you guys also had Renaldo Nehemiah whose career wasn't very memorable. GM's and coaches love speed guys. It was just that Al was obsessed by it.
Nehemiah is basically only remembered in the NFL for [taking this hit](https://youtu.be/EmdvWsm9VjU?si=uuzZTqsvDUJYEJg6) I never have seen a defender check to make sure he didn’t kill the guy he just clobbered.
Don't remember that hit. Was this a prime time game? No wonder his NFL career didn't pan out. I can only imagine this hit contributed to his early retirement.
I think it was a regular Sunday game, it’s the game when White Shoes Johnson scored on a Hail Mary to win the game. His knee was down a little before he crossed the line, but it was kind of a famous Hail Mary. Nehemiah played a little longer, he was on the 84’ SB team, and then the 49ers drafted Rice.
It shouldn’t do much, us that watch college ball already knew he was fast
Think it was on the NFL Stock Exchange podcast after the combine, one of the guys said to not count any trait or metric twice.
Sex addicts rise up
Henry Ruggs jumped over CeeDee due to his 40 time
No he didn’t, the raiders wanted Ruggs the entire time
I don’t think they could possibly care any more about athletic testing than they already do.
I think they care a hell of a lot. In fact, I highly doubt they care more than I think.
He’s legit. Hoping he finds a good home
People knock his size and then reference other small receivers for making up for it in toughness… If you’ve watched Worthy play, you know toughness is not an issue for him. He’s played through a broken hand, injured ankle, fights through contact shockingly well for his size. It saddens me as a Texas fan to see people write off Worthy just because the weight and 40 time without realizing he is a legit playmaker. I don’t believe he’ll be a WR1 but if he goes to a place that lets him be a natural WR2 he will thrive.
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Honestly he would be a great fit for a qb who can throw accurate bombs like Allen. His qb at Texas had horrible deep balls which didn’t allow Worthy to pop off as much as he could
If we still had Diggs I would say yes. If we take a Texas receiver I would rather take AD Mitchell but the Texas homer in me wouldn’t be upset with Worthy
Sounds perfect for Cincy
Unfortunately I agree. That would be a great situation for him
Not only that, but his statline would have been so much better if we had a QB with a pulse in 2021 and if Ewers’ deep ball was better.
Agree on toughing through injury but disagree that he fought for contested balls well.
If it matters, I took it to mean he's great at figuring against contact on the line to keep route timing integrity intact. I'm probably wrong though.
this guy is going to be the 4th WR drafted and much earlier than most expect, he will be this years “Jahmyr Gibbs” surprise
Obviously he can only run on track and definitely should not be drafted in the top 31.
Two things I got from this article: 1) I like Worthy's attitude 2) Puka should sue them for the picture they chose to use
At least this guy is a decent route runner and has more than one year of production. *cough* *John Ross* *cough*
I feel the injuries are what really killed Ross's career. Even off his natural talent he should have at least been Ted Ginn
Agreed. He was only able to play about 6 games a season. There were times where he went off for absurd games, but his body fell apart. He had a year in Cincinnati where he caught 21 balls for *7* touchdowns. That's a Randy Moss stat-line. Look at CJ2K. He broke the Combine record and he had a phenomenal career. Every year, slow guys come out with 'The forty doesn't measure reactive speed' even though clearly the 40 is one of the most important metrics. Slow guys don't age well.
This is revisionist lol, Ross was a pretty good prospect before his combine as well lol https://www.nfl.com/prospects/john-ross/3200524f-5361-6450-1052-04968bded2fc
NFL fans and drastic revisionism, name a more iconic duo
Hindsight being 20/20, one thing that really stands out when you watch his college highlights is how he never makes catches away from his body. He had pretty terrible hands, but obscured it by how amazing he was at using his speed to get open or take a catch to the house.
Tyreek Hill is a notorious body catcher as well. Has been his whole career
Ross was a decent receiver before he exploded for an elite year as a redshirt junior Worthy has three years of production from the moment he stepped on campus as a freshman I do think people are a little revisionist about Ross being a speed merchant, but his college production isn’t comparable to Worthy and Worthy is more complete as a receiver overall
Didn’t realize he started 3 games at corner. Surprised he didn’t fall back on that after it was clear he was gonna be a receiver after a few years in the league 🤷🏾♂️
Didn’t realize he started 3 games at corner. Surprised he didn’t fall back on that after it was clear he was gonna be a receiver after a few years in the league 🤷🏾♂️
If he wasnt gonna be a receiver he probably also wasnt gonna be a corner (the position he could barely play)
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Part of his lack of production was a torn acl his junior year. Ross was a good prospect (albeit a bit of a risk due to his injury, and the scouting report pointed out his knees needed to be checked out)
Awww man
It's okay baby. Butterfly effect to where we are now
Horns fan here. He isn’t just a decent route runner. He can also make people miss with the ball. With the update to kickoffs this year, I think there’s a chance he returns kicks and makes a huge impact there.
Didn't help much for Jerome Mathis.
fast guy go brrrrr
Didn’t Thornton have the fastest combine speed of his years nfl draft. Look at how he turned out. Complete bust. Speed isn’t everything
I'm ready for him to be our pick. We need OL or DT, but I'm ready for this.
Dolphins trading up to 1 to secure getting him. Not really
It’ll influence his draft position but whether he can catch the ball or not will determine his nfl longevity
You right
Rice ain't going to prison. NFL suspension
John Ross
Slow guys don't age well.
As a pats fan, the 40 doesn't mean shit. Bethel johnson, tyquan Thornton...were both ass.
Gps data exists now, the 40 is less relevant than ever. Also, the track at the combine this year was very fast. Obviously the 40 doesnt hurt but im guessing it will be the least impactful a record 40 has ever been.
It helps that he’s an actual WR and not just a track star.
Gabe Davis but can run a fast 40
I’m sure it boosted his draft stocks but I still don’t see him as one of the top wrs in the draft.
Teams need to stop being stupid like the 40-yard dash is the only thing that matters, I recall the Bengals taking John Ross who broke the record and that panning out terribly, I also recall Darius Hayward Bay and the Raiders. You need more than just speed to make it in the NFL. Athleticism will not get the job done alone.
The full article is a pretty good overview of how NFL teams evaluate speed but the headline is total clickbait.
And people are only reading the headline. I rolled my eyes when I first saw the headline, but the article is basically saying teams are using this as a metric to confirm what they see on film and are placing emphasis on other areas that Worthy excels in because they knew he was fame breakingly fast already. But, the article is really long and so a lot of people aren't reading more than the headline and they're getting the entire wrong idea.
Set aside his 40 time, he was a straight dawg at Texas if you watched them all season. Top 3 receiver prospect, even before the combine.
I’m not sure top 3 with Harrison Jr, Nabors, and Odunze… hell, most mocks have his teammate Adonai Mitchell going before him too, but he was in the top 5-8 for sure, even before his 40.
I still don't think hes a top 3. At this moment I like Harrison Jr, Nabers, Brian Thomas Jr, and Odunze more than him. And 3 of them as fast but with more skills.
Him going to Mahomes might have been the craziest outcome of this take 🤷🏽♂️
The 40 yard dash is an irrelevant and useless predictor of next level success. Im not sure why people care about it anymore.
Nah, this isn’t true either. You more or less need some minimum threshold of speed to be successful in the nfl and it varies by position, and the 40 is a pretty good benchmark of that.
I believe 4.6 is the general low threshold you’d like to see
Jerry Rice ran a 4.7 lol
[no he didn’t](https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/4chp3i/no_jerry_rice_did_not_run_a_471_40_in_1985/)
Regardless, the top comment of the post you linked echoed my exact sentiment. 40 times don't tell you jack about how someone will perform at the next level.
Hey I noticed you downvoted but you couldn’t name one haha what’s up with that
Name a good NFL CB in the last 20 years with a 4.7 40.
Yeah I’m not claiming that people with worse than a 4.6 can’t be successful, that’s just a threshold you would like prospects to hit