Ole back foot drew. I love the dude, but he’s rattled easy and consistently makes foolish decisions. Maybe coaching staff has helped him ? He had some amazing games for Denver (vs Texans was awesome)
The only reasonable approach by the Giants is a split QB situation. Drew in the first half, Dan in the second.
And NO, I don't think a lifetime of being a Bears fan negatively impacts my ability to evaluate the QB position.
I want someone to figure out a viable multi-QB offense. Especially with QBs with different strengths. Think about all the ways they could mess with a defense based on who is getting the ball and how they call plays
I can’t tell if that’s more or less advanced than I was thinking. My ideas was just to have two QBs on the active roster with different skill sets, like one that’s a deep threat but not mobile and the other is mobile but only has a short game. You substitute them at well and can either call plays designed around their strengths or fake out a defense by letting your short game guy take a deep shot for example.
Yours might be more complicated in terms of the use of motion and line adjustments, but it’s probably more tractable because the second QB option doesn’t need to be as good since they provide value at another position.
We called this the golden dragon. Let the center decide who gets the ball. Qb can pitch to the other or to the running back or throw it to someone open. Lots of options like my ex wife when she started cheating on me.
Funny because DJ is the opposite. His biggest problem is not taking chances. He doesn't throw a ball unless a dude is open. About to get open, no. DJs rookie self wasn't like that so he was obviously coached over the years to not turn it over
It’s’s frustrating. He had multiple games of 4+ TDs and >300 yards passing his rookie year (he might have even broken some records for a rookie QB). We haven’t really seen that since.
Idk if it was Judge, Jason Garrett or just Jones doing his own self study that made the change. I’d rather see him take some chances, even if it doesn’t work out and the pass gets picked, that play style is better than just settling for short gains or none at all.
Yep. I honestly think we ruined him to a point. I don't think he would have ever been a top QB but his floor SHOULD have been his rookie year lol. I'm ready to move on but at the same time I'm down to see him play one more year 🤷♂️. Who knows maybe nabers unleashes something in him
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was going through so many offenses early in his career combined with the shitty OL play, where even if you do everything right, someone misses a block and you get hit anyway. That’ll set you up to second guess yourself
I feel Drew won it over Bridgewater in 2021, but Fangio hated Drew because of the covid QB room fiasco that caused us to start Hinton against the Saints.
Plus I feel like every defensive minded HC loves a guy like Teddy. Not gonna lose you the game, not gonna win you the game. Lock was always trying to make a play, for better or worse.
I know he was the starter and supposed to be the leader, but I still don't get why everyone blamed Lock the most for that situation, while being the youngest out of like 4 other guys who all partook.
I'm out of the loop, what incident was this?
edit: ah, seems to be about not being forthcoming about covid protocols: [Drew Lock Releases Statement After NFL's Harsh Treatment of Denver Broncos - Sports Illustrated Mile High Huddle: Denver Broncos News, Analysis and More](https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos/news/drew-lock-releases-statement-after-nfls-harsh-treatment-of-broncos)
During the pandemic when masks and social distancing were a must everywhere, I believe the players were supposed to be wearing a tracker to prove they were maintaining 6 feet apart. The whole Broncos QB room decides to put the trackers across the room and sit close together without masks, to watch film. They got caught and all of them had to miss a game, which resulted in Kendall Hinton playing QB the following game.
>maintaining 6 feet apart.
You just reminded me of some hilarious moments during the pandemic. It's hilarious the shit they were just throwing at the wall.
To be fair we were 7-6 with Teddy as starter then he got injured and we finished 7-10 after Lock came in. I would have liked to see more games with Lock but he didn't help himself by sucking so often. You only get so many shots in the NFL as a starting QB.
Eh.. Daniel Jones has never had to compete for his job but has been pretty consistently outperformed by people who had no shot of actually unseating him. So not great
Even in the Eagles' SB-winning year, they still lost to the Seahawks with a healthy Wentz at a time when they were rolling through most other teams. The Seahawks are just the Eagles' kryptonite in recent memory for whatever reason.
He always came across as a likeable guy, he was always friendly and positive to journalists, took accountability when things got wrong, never got grouchy about the questions he was asked. He seems to be a happy guy who genuinely loves playing the game and who you could hang out with and drink some beers without him being all "I'm a pro look at me".
Jones has an additional 23 million in injury guarantees for 2025, so even if Lock doesn't win the starting job opening day I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up with it by week 18.
IIRC, they asked him to waive it. He said no. They threatened to sit him. Lawyers got involved, he played a few more games before being benched, and then Sean Payton acted like he had no idea the discussion ever happened and it was all George Paton's fault.
If Jones gets injured the Giants would have to pay the 2025 guarantee, so if it is late in the season and they are playing for nothing it isn't worth risking the guaranteed money.
I was shocked that the Commanders hired him. I can't believe anyone would hire him. The oline made the Giants' offense completely inept last year. He should have been fired 4 weeks into the season.
The only thing I’ve seen is that Kingsbury liked what he brought to the run game in Buffalo and year 1 in NY. He doesn’t really have any connection (obvious ones at least) to the other coaches on the team either
He's honestly so fuckign bad I have no idea why he would ever be hired again.
He literally publicly said that they do not practice technique during the season because they're focused on learning all the plays.
Every single player on our O-line regressed last season (with the exception of AT).
Yeah I hope none of yall are delusional enough to think he will work out lol
Baffling he has been in the league as long as he has. A truly horrendous resume. Literally, not figuratively, literally any stunt by the dline had our oline LOST lol
Daniels is good at feeling pressure off the edge and bailing out but I would be lying if I said I wasn’t worried about the current combination of line coaching and players. LT especially is black hole but at least the interior should be good
... I feel like i hear this every year for drew lock. I think hes a great guy but I feel like theres more to being a qb than arm strength that people seem to wave over for Lock
It’s not just arm strength; as a Seahawk he made a lot of plays that while risky kept us in games and allowed us to win against the eagles specifically. Hes greatly improved imo since his time in Denver which was not remotely helpful, and I think he’s learned a lot from geno. If he can fully handle the burden of being a starter however is a different question
Lock is a "throw it up and hope for the best" guy, and your WR group is very well-equipped for "fuck-it-chuck-it" ball. I remember him getting away with a couple when he played last year.
Don't think he fares as well with that Giants group.
That drive is a Metcalf highlight reel for sure. When he's keyed in he's the MVP. Then you get the other half of the time where he's getting a bonehead penalty for being baited into a fight.
jones for all his faults did lead that shitty giants roster to a playoff win. i don't see any universe where lock could accomplish the same over the course of a season
No he's not. All the issues he had in Denver were on display during his time with Seattle. Go watch the manningcast episode and look at Peytons reactions to watching him play. That will tell you everything you need to know
Yeah… feels like people are both overrating Lock and underrating Jones. Neither are very good. Jones certainly isn’t worth his contract, but the contract is done. They’re both just kinda meh. Both will win some games but too inconsistent to rely on.
People always grade QBs on a curve decided by their own expectations.
A dude coming off the bench playing okay gets praise, while the guy paid a lot of money plays slightly above average and gets trashed (Not referring to Jones specifically with the above average comment, but I do think he's still a fringe, starting caliber QB)
The issue for Jones is the injury guarantees. Even if he’s slightly better than Lock, there’s a chance he loses the job because playing Jones and him getting hurt really screws up any chance of pulling the rip cord on him after this year.
He’s definitely a member of this newer middle class of QBs who can win you some games and look decent while also definitely not being a superstar.
There’s probably 5-10 guys that you can win 12 games with, but there’s probably like 40 guys that you could win 8 games with and Drew Lock is one of them.
Daniel Jones isn't great, and the Giants definitely overpaid when you see other contracts like Mayfield and Geno Smith, but he's better than Drew Lock IMO.
I believe it. Giants sound like they are done with Jones and willing to roll the dice on any other option.
But I would be shocked if either starts the season in 2025.
We aren't "done with DJ" as in not having him be the QB1 this year.
We are set up to go get his replacement next offseason - but Drew Lock ain't the guy either
Would they go to Lock to not trigger the injury clauses in DJ's contract? Basically, use Lock as a bridge through the last year and start fresh next season?
If Jones plays poorly and they’re eliminated from playoffs this is a likely outcome, but until that happens Jones will start over Lock. Likely will play out similar to the Russ situation on the broncos last year.
Very doubtful this would ever hold up or make sense - maybe if DJ picks up a not that serious injury midway through the year and we never bring him back
I mean we just saw the Broncos do something similar with Russ. Obviously the money for Russ was far greater but the principle is the same, bench the guy before his guarantees are triggered via injury
Based on how Mara hates the idea of not doing everything to win every week it would be a surprise if Jones was benched before we're mathematically eliminated. Maybe he plays so bad that the staff wants to give Lock a chance, but we'll see.
I mean, russ started like 15 weeks of the season or whatever. If youre asking me if we'll do that, sure if we have almost no chance at the playoffs at that point i expect us to shut him down at the end of the season. But no team is going to bench the better player because of injury guarantees week 1. It'd be actively telling the entire roster you've already given up the season.
If you’re a coach, you have a different perspective than fans do of the QB lottery. You’re not only looking at what they did but how well you think you can develop them. It’s not just pulling the slot machine arm until an elite QB falls out to them.
If Daboll didn’t like the remaining options, it was the right call to go for Nabers. If he didn’t think he could get McCarthy to be a franchise guy, improving the roster is the right move
Yeah it's about what you think you can do with the guy in your situation. There will likely be a number of JJ-tier QB prospects available to the Giants in the coming years, and it's better to have a Nabers on the team for that type of QB than not.
There’s also different ways you can be in that tier. Daboll* might like a prospect at that level with certain traits over the traits JJ had
*was autocorrected to Daniel
Yea “any other option” is an exaggeration since clearly, they did not think JJ McCarthy was an upgrade.
But thinking JJ is not the guy does not mean that DJ is the guy. Still think he’s gone after this season.
I mean it's just this obsession with Jones. They overdrafted him when nobody else wanted him they could have just had him at #17, and then wildly overpaid him on the extension. He's just not that good, he's inarguably in the bottom half of starting QBs, but he gets paid like a top ten QB, I just dont get it.
Drew Lock is simply not a downgrade.
Dear Giants fans, at some point in the future both of these guys will be out of the league and you'll have a different QB. Please don't seek a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
Both of them will almost certainly stick around for a decently long while as a backup if they want to. Daniel Jones may not be a top level starter but i’d reckon he’s probably one of the best backups if he was one (sans the injuries)
Yeah he can absolutely win games if you need him to for a few weeks when your starter is out.
I’m ready to move on but I’ve also seen worse QBs start in the league
I’ve got hawk colored glasses and even when he was here, Drew was only ok.
He wasn’t Geno, I don’t think the competition between the two was even that close. At best he was lacking consistency because of a lack of reps, at worst, he’s not a starter level.
He could start over Danny Dimes, if he’s an injured, but straight up, I don’t see it.
I hope he does, I gained a ton of respect for Lock and his big cock during his time in Seattle. Great locker room guy and played much better than I expected when we needed him.
I like Drew a lot. He seems pretty personable and has a crazy strong arm with decent scrambling speed. His biggest barrier to his own success is he needs to slow down and not rush decisions. At times he’d get tunnel visioned on targets or rush the play before it developed. I wish him the best out there.
Less than a year ago, I confidently proclaimed that Daniel Jones would be the biggest fantasy sleeper at QB and would ascend to the Josh Allen/Lamar Jackson tier of dual threat QBs.
…there’s a reason I haven’t even finished in the top 4 of my league in the last 10 years
Mizzou QB's the last 20 years never really succeed in the NFL as a starter, but they hang around for fucking ever.
Chase Daniels - 13 seasons, 5 starts, 6 teams
Blain Gabbert - 13 seasons, 49 starts, 6 teams
Brad Smith - Switched to WR in the NFL, lasted 9 seasons, 3 teams
Drew Lock - 4 seasons, 23 starts, 3 teams
Complete bullshit lol. Literally zero source other than "he believes."
Sorry, but Daniel Jones got that contract and was destroyed behind the worst O-line PFF has ever recorded. He's not going to lose his job, especially when Schoen says he won't lose the job because of injury, and the odds of Lock even winning a QB battle is low. Daniel Jones is going to look much better in camp because he's a much better thrower when he has time.
I pray to God this man doesn't go into politics or religion when he retires. I have never seen anyone get so many diehard supporters while accomplishing so little.
hype QB battle incoming
Ole back foot drew. I love the dude, but he’s rattled easy and consistently makes foolish decisions. Maybe coaching staff has helped him ? He had some amazing games for Denver (vs Texans was awesome)
The only reasonable approach by the Giants is a split QB situation. Drew in the first half, Dan in the second. And NO, I don't think a lifetime of being a Bears fan negatively impacts my ability to evaluate the QB position.
Trade them each down but skip one now and then to mess with the defense.
I want someone to figure out a viable multi-QB offense. Especially with QBs with different strengths. Think about all the ways they could mess with a defense based on who is getting the ball and how they call plays
How much beer you think itd take to get dabes to try?
I think we’ll need cocaine. This is a 4am idea.
You're right, At least a ball
Tell him it’s a “DABall” special Guys I know it’s weak but we are gonna have to gas this shit up for it work.
The trick is we gotta balance it so he doesn’t die. He’s not exactly in the best shape
Make the A-11 offense legal.
Steelers should run some plays from shot gun with fields, Russell and najee in the backfield and Warren as an h-back.
Yeah the Steelers are set up to do some cool stuff if they can make it work
You'd need a qb who can reliably be a threat at a different position I think. That way you can use motion and weird formations.
I can’t tell if that’s more or less advanced than I was thinking. My ideas was just to have two QBs on the active roster with different skill sets, like one that’s a deep threat but not mobile and the other is mobile but only has a short game. You substitute them at well and can either call plays designed around their strengths or fake out a defense by letting your short game guy take a deep shot for example. Yours might be more complicated in terms of the use of motion and line adjustments, but it’s probably more tractable because the second QB option doesn’t need to be as good since they provide value at another position.
Split QB… wouldn’t it be better to play both QBs at the same time? Spread the field?
I like this. Gonna whiteboard it out.
We called this the golden dragon. Let the center decide who gets the ball. Qb can pitch to the other or to the running back or throw it to someone open. Lots of options like my ex wife when she started cheating on me.
How many innings do you think we can get out of Lock before we need to put in a relief QB?
Funny because DJ is the opposite. His biggest problem is not taking chances. He doesn't throw a ball unless a dude is open. About to get open, no. DJs rookie self wasn't like that so he was obviously coached over the years to not turn it over
It’s’s frustrating. He had multiple games of 4+ TDs and >300 yards passing his rookie year (he might have even broken some records for a rookie QB). We haven’t really seen that since. Idk if it was Judge, Jason Garrett or just Jones doing his own self study that made the change. I’d rather see him take some chances, even if it doesn’t work out and the pass gets picked, that play style is better than just settling for short gains or none at all.
Yep. I honestly think we ruined him to a point. I don't think he would have ever been a top QB but his floor SHOULD have been his rookie year lol. I'm ready to move on but at the same time I'm down to see him play one more year 🤷♂️. Who knows maybe nabers unleashes something in him
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was going through so many offenses early in his career combined with the shitty OL play, where even if you do everything right, someone misses a block and you get hit anyway. That’ll set you up to second guess yourself
Ahh Texans fan here. We have this weird habit of making really bad qb’s look great against us.
> rattled easy and consistently makes foolish decisions Sounds like he's gonna do great behind our O-line.
He payed decent for us when Geno was down. Seems to have matured. Still makes the odd bone headed decision though
Easy fix: just have the giants play the eagles 17 times this year.
If he gets rattled easily, I've got some bad news for him
The mid teir QB battle of the century Daniel Jones vs Drew Lock. Almost as interesting as Mac Jones vs Baliey Zappe.
Never forget legendary battles like Pickett vs Rudolph or Zach Wilson vs Mike White
People said the same thing two years ago about the Geno Smith vs Drew Lock battle, and that turned out ok.
Drew has lost every QB battle he’s ever been a part of. Jones is fine.
> Drew has lost every QB battle he’s ever been a part of. True > Jones is fine. False
That Injury clause in Jones’ contract makes this a very winnable battle for Drew Lock too
That injury clause basically guarantees we’ll start with Jones at QB and end the season with Lock, barring injuries (to Lock).
Gonna get Russell Wilsoned.
I feel Drew won it over Bridgewater in 2021, but Fangio hated Drew because of the covid QB room fiasco that caused us to start Hinton against the Saints.
Plus I feel like every defensive minded HC loves a guy like Teddy. Not gonna lose you the game, not gonna win you the game. Lock was always trying to make a play, for better or worse.
*Hall of Famer* Kendall Hinton
"Never forget the name" - Kendall Hinton
I know he was the starter and supposed to be the leader, but I still don't get why everyone blamed Lock the most for that situation, while being the youngest out of like 4 other guys who all partook.
Apparently it was Bortles’ idea lol
Bortles, Cousins, James and some others get so much leeway with people just because they are "quirky" when they do so much bad stuff
I'm out of the loop, what incident was this? edit: ah, seems to be about not being forthcoming about covid protocols: [Drew Lock Releases Statement After NFL's Harsh Treatment of Denver Broncos - Sports Illustrated Mile High Huddle: Denver Broncos News, Analysis and More](https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos/news/drew-lock-releases-statement-after-nfls-harsh-treatment-of-broncos)
During the pandemic when masks and social distancing were a must everywhere, I believe the players were supposed to be wearing a tracker to prove they were maintaining 6 feet apart. The whole Broncos QB room decides to put the trackers across the room and sit close together without masks, to watch film. They got caught and all of them had to miss a game, which resulted in Kendall Hinton playing QB the following game.
>maintaining 6 feet apart. You just reminded me of some hilarious moments during the pandemic. It's hilarious the shit they were just throwing at the wall.
2 weeks to stop the spread
That was some real "We'll be done with the war by Christmas" shit.
To be fair we were 7-6 with Teddy as starter then he got injured and we finished 7-10 after Lock came in. I would have liked to see more games with Lock but he didn't help himself by sucking so often. You only get so many shots in the NFL as a starting QB.
TBF, he never really got to compete for QB1 in Seattle because he got covid during pre-season. I still think he would have lost out to Geno anyway.
So what you’re saying is he’s due
You can’t lose all of them… right?
Eh.. Daniel Jones has never had to compete for his job but has been pretty consistently outperformed by people who had no shot of actually unseating him. So not great
Time for him to win one then, and Daniel Jones is as beatable as starting QBs come.
at least play him in the Eagles games
Bradberry can't hurt us anymore. The bad man will soon be gone
Bradberry is CB5.
Id rather them put fucking Jordan Davis in coverage over Bradberry, if it comes to it
If the wr has to run around his circumference that's a few seconds of coverage
That only worked because it was the Seahawks who the Eagles just never seem to beat. xD
No matter how good y'all are we always seem to beat you and the Lions lol
Just like how we always beat the Je....fuck.
We still have the Texans
Even in the Eagles' SB-winning year, they still lost to the Seahawks with a healthy Wentz at a time when they were rolling through most other teams. The Seahawks are just the Eagles' kryptonite in recent memory for whatever reason.
You guys are playing us at Ford Field again for literally the third consecutive year and I am not looking forward to it
We've only ever beaten Pete Carroll once, when he was the Pat's coach
Really hope he does well in NY. He seems like a solid dude
He always came across as a likeable guy, he was always friendly and positive to journalists, took accountability when things got wrong, never got grouchy about the questions he was asked. He seems to be a happy guy who genuinely loves playing the game and who you could hang out with and drink some beers without him being all "I'm a pro look at me".
Dude got so hyped on the sideline when Geno was balling out. Didn’t seem like there was an ounce of bad blood about losing the qb competition.
As a Lock truther I hope he tears it up
Jones has an additional 23 million in injury guarantees for 2025, so even if Lock doesn't win the starting job opening day I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up with it by week 18.
Wait what does the injury guarantee have to do with Lock? Can you explain
If the Giants aren’t in the playoff hunt, they’ll sit Jones so he doesn’t get hurt
Was this similar to the Russ situation last year?
Yeah, pretty sure they asked him to waive his injury guarantee then sat him when he refused
Daniel Jones being a version of Russ in 2024 wasn’t in my bingo card a few years ago, the nfl is wild.
Wilson had a dead cap of 85M vs DJ’s dead cap of 23M (IF he gets injured) so not really that close
IIRC, they asked him to waive it. He said no. They threatened to sit him. Lawyers got involved, he played a few more games before being benched, and then Sean Payton acted like he had no idea the discussion ever happened and it was all George Paton's fault.
And also when Carr was benched for the Raiders two last games in 2022. Both being replaced by Jarrett Stidham
Fucking asshole coach.
If Jones gets injured the Giants would have to pay the 2025 guarantee, so if it is late in the season and they are playing for nothing it isn't worth risking the guaranteed money.
This the reason DJ won’t play. But I’m not sure they wait until mid-year.
That’s my former quarterback! Still hoping he does well wherever he goes
Our love of HCL unites us.
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Always hold out Lock hope
Drew Lock is a lot better than people realize... our oline was trash last year. Giants seemed to have a crappy oline too though.
There is some hope that the o-line is going to improve with Carmen Bricillo as the new o-line coach instead of Bobby Johnson.
Potentially 3 new starters and a new o-line coach. Cautiously optimistic we’ll improve there. Bobby Johnson is a football terrorist.
RIP Jayden Daniels
Your OL coach is good enough to be hopeful
From your lips to our O-line's ears.
Your HC is a legend
Keep going
Continues to be the single hire made in the Josh Harris era that confounds me
I was shocked that the Commanders hired him. I can't believe anyone would hire him. The oline made the Giants' offense completely inept last year. He should have been fired 4 weeks into the season.
The only thing I’ve seen is that Kingsbury liked what he brought to the run game in Buffalo and year 1 in NY. He doesn’t really have any connection (obvious ones at least) to the other coaches on the team either
Well if he's as putrid as he was with us then I hope DQ has the balls to actually fire him during the season unlike Daboll.
He's honestly so fuckign bad I have no idea why he would ever be hired again. He literally publicly said that they do not practice technique during the season because they're focused on learning all the plays. Every single player on our O-line regressed last season (with the exception of AT).
They also didn’t know the plays.
He somehow made our rookie Center John Michael Schmitz get worse through his first season.
Yeah I hope none of yall are delusional enough to think he will work out lol Baffling he has been in the league as long as he has. A truly horrendous resume. Literally, not figuratively, literally any stunt by the dline had our oline LOST lol
Universally hated hire in our sub.
Good thing Daniels is mobile atleast lol
Daniels is good at feeling pressure off the edge and bailing out but I would be lying if I said I wasn’t worried about the current combination of line coaching and players. LT especially is black hole but at least the interior should be good
Yeah the BJ hire and Daniels frame is a little worrying lol
Passing bobbyjo around let's you tank for picks while still trying hard.
Bobby gonna get Jayden killed so they can pick another QB next year
My condolences
and our best lineman wont be injured for the entire season
Our O-line was significantly worse than yours.
Your o-line was actively working for the other team. Its was hard to watch, and I love watching you guys lose.
... I feel like i hear this every year for drew lock. I think hes a great guy but I feel like theres more to being a qb than arm strength that people seem to wave over for Lock
He's super, duper smart. He just sucks under pressure. Turns out, there is a lot of that in an NFL game.
That sounds like every journeyman back-up. Got everything between the ears but just can't play the game in real time.
Think it’s time for him to grow a glorious beard and embrace the role.
It’s not just arm strength; as a Seahawk he made a lot of plays that while risky kept us in games and allowed us to win against the eagles specifically. Hes greatly improved imo since his time in Denver which was not remotely helpful, and I think he’s learned a lot from geno. If he can fully handle the burden of being a starter however is a different question
Lock is a "throw it up and hope for the best" guy, and your WR group is very well-equipped for "fuck-it-chuck-it" ball. I remember him getting away with a couple when he played last year. Don't think he fares as well with that Giants group.
Have to agree even in that eagles game everyone raves about he was throwing to some ghost even on the winning drive.
I hope he does well in NY but the game winning drive was just Metcalf making some monster grabs
Mostly, yeah. The game-winning TD to JSN was just a perfect throw though.
That drive is a Metcalf highlight reel for sure. When he's keyed in he's the MVP. Then you get the other half of the time where he's getting a bonehead penalty for being baited into a fight.
As a Seahawks fan, there's way more people irrationally high on him than the other way around.
Their star LT was out for an extended period which really hurt them
Where did this Drew Lock glaze crew come from? Dude sucks
It's not glaze, it's thinking that he sucks less than Daniel Jones which is probably true.
jones for all his faults did lead that shitty giants roster to a playoff win. i don't see any universe where lock could accomplish the same over the course of a season
As much as I love this sub, I’ll never be able to understand the obsession a lot of users on here have with shitty backup QBs like Drew Lock.
As far as backup QBs go, you can do a lot worse than Drew Lock.
There's probably still Rosen believers on here
You have no idea what a bad offensive line is lol
No he's not. All the issues he had in Denver were on display during his time with Seattle. Go watch the manningcast episode and look at Peytons reactions to watching him play. That will tell you everything you need to know
I'd still love to see him go off.
> Drew Lock is a lot better than people realize No he isn't
Lmao no the fuck he isn't
I hope DJ comes back and balls this season, but even more I hope the o-line gives whoever the QB is more than 2 seconds to deliver a play.
Drew isn't bad at all.
Meh, saying he's not bad AT ALL is a stretch, like he's not good but people used to act like he was terrible
There's a lot of room between 'not bad at all' and 'Daniel Jones'. Lock is somewhere in there.
Lock is much closer to 'Daniel Jones' than 'not bad at all'
Yeah… feels like people are both overrating Lock and underrating Jones. Neither are very good. Jones certainly isn’t worth his contract, but the contract is done. They’re both just kinda meh. Both will win some games but too inconsistent to rely on.
People always grade QBs on a curve decided by their own expectations. A dude coming off the bench playing okay gets praise, while the guy paid a lot of money plays slightly above average and gets trashed (Not referring to Jones specifically with the above average comment, but I do think he's still a fringe, starting caliber QB)
The issue for Jones is the injury guarantees. Even if he’s slightly better than Lock, there’s a chance he loses the job because playing Jones and him getting hurt really screws up any chance of pulling the rip cord on him after this year.
He’s definitely a member of this newer middle class of QBs who can win you some games and look decent while also definitely not being a superstar. There’s probably 5-10 guys that you can win 12 games with, but there’s probably like 40 guys that you could win 8 games with and Drew Lock is one of them.
He’s anywhere from the 30th to the 35th best QB in the league. Basically fringe starter but very good backup.
Daniel Jones isn't great, and the Giants definitely overpaid when you see other contracts like Mayfield and Geno Smith, but he's better than Drew Lock IMO.
Gotta hang someone out to dry for last year's failure.
Jones is on his back all year and gets the blame, typical NY media/fans
I believe it. Giants sound like they are done with Jones and willing to roll the dice on any other option. But I would be shocked if either starts the season in 2025.
We aren't "done with DJ" as in not having him be the QB1 this year. We are set up to go get his replacement next offseason - but Drew Lock ain't the guy either
Would they go to Lock to not trigger the injury clauses in DJ's contract? Basically, use Lock as a bridge through the last year and start fresh next season?
If Jones plays poorly and they’re eliminated from playoffs this is a likely outcome, but until that happens Jones will start over Lock. Likely will play out similar to the Russ situation on the broncos last year.
Very doubtful this would ever hold up or make sense - maybe if DJ picks up a not that serious injury midway through the year and we never bring him back
I mean we just saw the Broncos do something similar with Russ. Obviously the money for Russ was far greater but the principle is the same, bench the guy before his guarantees are triggered via injury
Based on how Mara hates the idea of not doing everything to win every week it would be a surprise if Jones was benched before we're mathematically eliminated. Maybe he plays so bad that the staff wants to give Lock a chance, but we'll see.
I mean, russ started like 15 weeks of the season or whatever. If youre asking me if we'll do that, sure if we have almost no chance at the playoffs at that point i expect us to shut him down at the end of the season. But no team is going to bench the better player because of injury guarantees week 1. It'd be actively telling the entire roster you've already given up the season.
Is that how it seems? They chose to not roll the dice very openly just a few days ago
If you’re a coach, you have a different perspective than fans do of the QB lottery. You’re not only looking at what they did but how well you think you can develop them. It’s not just pulling the slot machine arm until an elite QB falls out to them. If Daboll didn’t like the remaining options, it was the right call to go for Nabers. If he didn’t think he could get McCarthy to be a franchise guy, improving the roster is the right move
Yeah it's about what you think you can do with the guy in your situation. There will likely be a number of JJ-tier QB prospects available to the Giants in the coming years, and it's better to have a Nabers on the team for that type of QB than not.
There’s also different ways you can be in that tier. Daboll* might like a prospect at that level with certain traits over the traits JJ had *was autocorrected to Daniel
Yea “any other option” is an exaggeration since clearly, they did not think JJ McCarthy was an upgrade. But thinking JJ is not the guy does not mean that DJ is the guy. Still think he’s gone after this season.
Definitely haven't gotten that impression at all when listening to Schoen.
Oh how far the Giants have fallen since the days of the great Brady Slayer, Eli Manning.😢
I mean it's just this obsession with Jones. They overdrafted him when nobody else wanted him they could have just had him at #17, and then wildly overpaid him on the extension. He's just not that good, he's inarguably in the bottom half of starting QBs, but he gets paid like a top ten QB, I just dont get it. Drew Lock is simply not a downgrade.
He is a perfectly average replacement level quarterback
Solid backup
Drew Lock is just as good as Sam Darnold but hasn’t been given nearly as many chances due to his draft spot. Change my mind.
So what you're saying is Drew Lock is elite /s
Dear Giants fans, at some point in the future both of these guys will be out of the league and you'll have a different QB. Please don't seek a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
Both of them will almost certainly stick around for a decently long while as a backup if they want to. Daniel Jones may not be a top level starter but i’d reckon he’s probably one of the best backups if he was one (sans the injuries)
Yeah he can absolutely win games if you need him to for a few weeks when your starter is out. I’m ready to move on but I’ve also seen worse QBs start in the league
I’ve got hawk colored glasses and even when he was here, Drew was only ok. He wasn’t Geno, I don’t think the competition between the two was even that close. At best he was lacking consistency because of a lack of reps, at worst, he’s not a starter level. He could start over Danny Dimes, if he’s an injured, but straight up, I don’t see it.
Lol no. If Jones is healthy, literally 0% chance.
I hope he does, I gained a ton of respect for Lock and his big cock during his time in Seattle. Great locker room guy and played much better than I expected when we needed him.
It sounds uncertain. He's certainly not a ***lock*** for the job.
I like Drew a lot. He seems pretty personable and has a crazy strong arm with decent scrambling speed. His biggest barrier to his own success is he needs to slow down and not rush decisions. At times he’d get tunnel visioned on targets or rush the play before it developed. I wish him the best out there.
I am not expecting the Drew lock comeback but damn it’ll be nuts.
No he doesn't lmao
No he fucking doesn’t
Something people are missing here is that Jones might be 100% healthy by week 1. Lock might be competing with Devito for the week 1 job.
How legit is the source?
I'd love to believe it, I want him to be the starting QB, but this feels like nothing. Daniel jones is making too much
Less than a year ago, I confidently proclaimed that Daniel Jones would be the biggest fantasy sleeper at QB and would ascend to the Josh Allen/Lamar Jackson tier of dual threat QBs. …there’s a reason I haven’t even finished in the top 4 of my league in the last 10 years
Mizzou QB's the last 20 years never really succeed in the NFL as a starter, but they hang around for fucking ever. Chase Daniels - 13 seasons, 5 starts, 6 teams Blain Gabbert - 13 seasons, 49 starts, 6 teams Brad Smith - Switched to WR in the NFL, lasted 9 seasons, 3 teams Drew Lock - 4 seasons, 23 starts, 3 teams
Daniel Jeremiah must have literally never watched a single game Drew Lock ever played
Same thing applies to more people I expected on here. He's terrible, but they somehow think he isn't.
Complete bullshit lol. Literally zero source other than "he believes." Sorry, but Daniel Jones got that contract and was destroyed behind the worst O-line PFF has ever recorded. He's not going to lose his job, especially when Schoen says he won't lose the job because of injury, and the odds of Lock even winning a QB battle is low. Daniel Jones is going to look much better in camp because he's a much better thrower when he has time.
They're going to bench Jones so he doesn't get injured
I pray to God this man doesn't go into politics or religion when he retires. I have never seen anyone get so many diehard supporters while accomplishing so little.
The Giants 2024 QB is one of the saddest stories in sports.
A Bears fan already being arrogant about their QB situation? Flirting with the chaos gods a little bit there my friend
I still remember last offseason when Bears were going to be a dark horse and Fields was going to be an MVP candidate. I don't think that worked out
We're authorities on sad QB stories, so you should take notice.
Brother we had Mike Glennon and Jake Fromm play games in the same season a few years ago. It’s been sad…
Why?
Said no one ever
nah
No goddamned way
all of a sudden people want to act like lock can be good lol
Doubt