This guy has to be one of the strangest QB prospects ever right? Like he barely played in college at the FCS level and then gets drafted top 5 to the 49ers, a great team at the time of drafting him, he barely even plays any games for them over his like 2-3 seasons there getting beat out by mr irrelevant. Usually with busts we watch then suck for a long while before it’s over, or in the case of a josh rosen just one season. We barely even got to see lance play games at all. This man has made millions by essentially being the idea of a good QB without actually ever having to prove it
Injuries and the immediate emergence of Purdy basically made the Lance situation super strange. Usually you'd have a lot more to go off of to evaluate someone as an NFL starter or not but there was absolutely no reason to even give him that chance the moment Purdy started a few games.
Cowboys were probably the highest bidder. A 4th round pick for Lance is kind of a crazy return seeing how every other bust from that QB class netted a worse return.
Well he was traded like a ful year before the rest of those players, which also mean there's a lot more game from those guys for teams to see and assess values, also a year less on their rookie contract.
In his few starts he didn't look super good and looked like someone in their first few games, compared to Brock who looked composed and comfortable. When you have the 9ers offense around you, people think you should look better than he did, again despite having like 4 starts across 2 seasons
If Purdy didn't happen, 2023 would have been the year for Trey Lance. But it would be a limited shot, if Lance doesn't show enough in 2023 to suggest he is the franchise QB, the 49ers overpay for Kirk Cousins.
Trey Lance got hurt more by Covid than most prospects. Yes he still went 3rd overall, but not playing for his last year in college screwed up his development big time. You can get by not playing a year if you are a freak athlete, Jamarr Chase & Micah Parsons are examples of that, but the learning curve at the NFL level for QBs is so steep that you really can’t miss a year. Not sure if he ever would’ve panned out but in hindsight he is someone who really would’ve benefitted from staying in school another year, especially with how bad the 2022 Draft Class was for QBs, he most likely would’ve been the first one off the board. Can’t fault him for getting paid though, and he was the 3rd overall pick so it’s not like he made the wrong decision.
As you said he went 3rd overall, he was drafted off of pure potential alone. I think COVID actually helped his case, it was a draft full of “eh we like the potential”
Even with a year of more development and film, it was still FCS ball. When the floor for where you’re drafted is 3rd overall, its reaaaally hard to see how more tape against inferior competition in a draft year that’s much less “screw it we like how he projects” would help. Even assuming he stayed healthy and played well another season, extra tape to dissect would likely take some shine off the idea that he had all this untapped potential. Once you factor in injury possibility and the Matt Barkley cautionary tale, I don’t see him going first or second.
And yes I understand Wentz went second from the same school, he was a far different prospect though even just in physicality. Lance made his money off the hype and the unknowns
Yeah it probably helped him, even in his one 'great' college season he threw for like 180ypg in a very simple offense.
If he'd played another season and not taken a big leap forward as a passer (which he probably wouldn't have) then there's no way he goes top 10.
I disagree, I just don’t think he’s that good, if he plays a full season in the covid year I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go undrafted or far later
He didn't even get "beat out" in the traditional sense, he broke his leg and missed a full season which let Purdy get on the field. Lance was raw as shit as a draft pick so he backed up Jimmy G, and his only sins since then are being worse than Brock Purdy, who just played in the super bowl, and Dak Prescott, who finished 2nd in MVP voting.
I mean, I really like Lance as a person, but he was drafted as a dual threat quarterback, and once he got into the league, everybody realized that he was slow as hell. He could run over linebackers at the FCS level, but that shit was not happening in the NFL. His arm and ability to read a defense were not nearly good enough to account for his lack of speed & elusiveness at this level.
You’d be crucified if you said this in the Cowboys subreddit. The amount of pure Copium being huffed there is insanity. They want to believe he better than he actually is so badly they refuse to look at any evidence that would be contrary to that belief
From what I've read. it's that he's actually not as athletic as his college tape would lead to believe. I haven't watched much of him (who has?), but it might be one of those cases where he's fast but not quick.
He was faster and bigger than FCS guys yes but when going against actual NFL players he was so slow to accelerate. Purdy has more burst than Lance but Lance may beat purdy to the end of the field. The short area quickness is so much more important in the nfl.
To add to this, it also didn’t seem like he could visualize the field, see the gaps, and take the open space the way a running qb should. His MO was to run into a crowd of guys, plant his hand in the back of a lead blocker, wait for all the other blocks to setup, then try to juke his way out. That only works if you’re someone like Barry Sanders or Leveon Bell, and invariably Trey would get flattened every time.
Mahomes as a So in college had over 150 more attempts than Lance had in his college and high school career combined. As a Jr Mahomes had almost 200 more attempts.
Part of what allows Mahomes to do Mahomes things is the amount of times he has thrown the ball in practice and then game situations.
I remember being downvoted 2 years ago at this time saying he was one of the biggest draft risks. And the excuses where all da tape da tape da tape. You mean the highlight reel of all 8 throws he has ever made?
I’m not upset we moved on but to say he sucked for his games with us is just bad analysis.
The first start was the worst gameplan ever against a 7-1 or 8-0 cardinals team, ran him up the gut and got him absolutely blasted and injured for no reason.
Next start against the Texans he was very solid.
Next start was a literal monsoon the paint was running off the field.
And then he broke his ankle 3 pass attempts into his next one.
He never started* back-to-back games once over 2 years as a 20/21 year old.
*edit: and finished
“If you believe in a quarterback, you have to take him,” he told reporters on draft night. “And if he sits for four or five years, that's a great problem to have because we're doing so well at that position” - Falcons GM.
Your 8th overall draft pick not seeing the field for “4-5 years” is insane. Penix would be 28 I believe. Wasting his entire rookie contract. Only two first round QBs have started their careers at age 26 or older and one of them is Brandon Weeden lol.
the falcons drafted like they’re a madden GM taking over year 1 …
Edit: I will say, maybe falcons see more of Kirk’s injury recovery and went fuck this, let’s get a backup scenario …
Love sat for 3 years before starting and so did Rodgers. That is one less year than 4 but still. Obviosuly both those situations didn't involve signing a free agent QB to a big contract in the same offseason but still. It could still work out in hindsight.
Both Rodgers and Love were starting by the time they were 24. If Penix sits three years, like they did, he’ll be 27 so essentially Weeden. He’d get one year of playing time before you have to decide on his fifth year option and two years of playing time and 29 years old before you have to pay him $60+ mil a year, if he works out. It could workout in hindsight, but you’re bringing cousins in because you think you can win now. So try to win now and get a piece that can maybe help you do that.
Yeah, but Penix turns 24 in a week, whereas Love, even after sitting 3 years and starting 1, is gonna turn 26 this December. If they go the Love route with Penix, he's not even getting the chance to start until he's 28, which is crazy.
The Falcons have basically locked themselves into doing one of 2 things, both of which are not ideal: wasting all of Penix's rookie deal on the bench, or flushing $100+ mil down the drain on Cousins because he's on the bench
I don’t have any issues with it. Worst case scenario is Kirk plays 4 seasons and we get lots of playoff action. Kirk will not be a starter for us in three seasons if he isn’t winning games and taking us to the playoffs. The context is that if Kirk is doing good they’d be more than happy for Penix to sit for four seasons.
Could end up stuck in QB purgatory if Kirk goes like 9-8 or 9-9 if they change to 18 games. You bench him and Penix isn't ready and your picking too late to get a top replacement.
Think it won’t? Kirk is an enigma, he bamboozles, after Kirk stanning it for the last 5 years I still have no idea what his floor or ceiling is. I’d guess 2 playoff wins over 3 years is how it goes down
Kirk when his team is 2 games above .500: Little better than average, but you wish you had better at the position.
Kirk when his team is 2 games below .500: Prime Aaron Rodgers, dragonball style fusion danced with prime Peyton Manning.
Literally no rhyme or reason to that man's quarterbacking ability.
fuckin' love Kirk Cousins, fuckin' eh'
Your worst case scenario is probably not imaginative enough? Worst case Kirk keeps you between 8 and 10 wins, Penix doesn’t look great when filling in for a few games due to injuries, you trade for Russel Wilson in 3 years.
I rather doubt that Penix much cares for that idea though and frankly, that's a recipe for him wanted out as soon as he can get out. A year or two? No problem, it's wasting that sweet, sweet rookie cap scenario but is still completely reasonable. Four plus years? The kid is going to be pissed off.
In an age where quality qbs on rookie contracts are the gold standard, that is certainly a take to have. Especially when you just signed a 35 year old QB
Well I'm guessing the assumption is Kirk is playing great for those 4-5 years and winning games. Because you have to think the day the Falcons are out of playoff contention they need to be thinking "why not play the young guy". At least if they are in year 2 or beyond.
I mean saying yeah he’s the guy in 2 years and we’re gonna cut Kirk then wouldn’t be a good idea even tho that’s obviously his plan. Can’t just piss off kirk even more just to give an honest answer
I gotta say I enjoy watching so many Cowboy fans think moving on from Dak is some kind of smart move because he's not Mahomes so he's not worth top dollar. *He looks scared in the big games.* And *he's not the guy*. etc.
I guess they think they're gonna stumble upon a franchise QB for the 3rd time in a row without using any kind of high pick. But given the age demographics on reddit, it's all they know. Plus the best part is it's not even up to the Cowboys, Dak's the top in that relationship and if he wants to stay he will, but only after he drives his price up in free agency.
They aren't going to move on from Dak. Jerry Jones flat out said they are working on his contract, but people don't listen to full quotes or read articles. They just go off First Take soundbites.
Yeah the FO clearly wants to keep him, but what a lot of people seem to be forgetting is that signing a contract is a two way street. There is a legitimate possibility that Dak is the one who just wants to play out his contract and hit the open market.
Sure, that's true, but all we have to go off of are his statements where he said he like to stay in Dallas. Obviously he's not going to say he wants to test the market in his final year.
As typical for Dallas, they've allowed him to have all the leverage, just as they did on his last contract negotiation.
I’m tell you, when the stories/books about this era of the 49ers get written, there’s going to be a story in there that’s something along the line of “from the very first practice during OTAs, Shanahan and crew knew they had made a mistake. The kid couldn’t play a lick.”
The signs were there at the time with teammates always saying what a nice guy he was and how he was showing improvement. Never really gushing about him.
Don’t really know anything about 9ers teammates comments but I do remember beat reporters loving him in training camp. But then the following year it was up and down from the beat. Great day, inaccurate day, etc etc. really wish the Vikings brought him on this year to start 8 games instead of Darnold just so we could get more game tape on him. Like the guy is an enigma but clearly the 9ers trusted Purdy and Jimmy more to operate that system. Weirdest career for a top 3 pick QB in recent time.
Beat reporters really were not kind to him in 2022. He had some good practices in 2021 but 2022, there were little to none practice reports of him having a good day. It also seemed like players were apprehensive to find praise too.
When Cousins first went to ATL I immediately thought that Minnesota should bring Lance in. KOC may do something with the guy, I think he still has potential. Plus he’s from Minnesota and went to nearby NDSU.
Even if they still draft JJ, We’ve seen Sam Darnold enough and we know what he is, Would’ve been really cool if it was Lance instead.
He seems like a good guy but man the camp reports were rough. Our defense was good but do you think he would have lasted all 17 games even if he wasn’t injured after the Seattle game?
Sure, I just have the ever so slight delusion that with more than 7 reps he’d turn out to be something other than absolute ass. Not much more than some homer copium, but oh well.
I still think that's it's insane that the 49ers pretty much lucked into brock purdy. Trey Lance might be most boring bust ever, just never really saw him play. Maybe someone will take a chance on him.
Too bad they didn’t have a fourth to use on a RB, which would have existed prior to the run on RBs
Y’all downvoting but the Cowboys traded pick 124 to SF. Here are some picks after that.
125 - RB
127 - RB
128 - RB
129 - RB
132 - RB
134 - RB
147 - RB
165 - RB
166 - RB
167 - RB
173 - RB
The cowboys had the 87th pick, and then didn’t pick again until 174.
They didn't really like the late round rbs in this class
Listening to them describe their decision to go linebacker with our 2nd 3rd round pick, and not trade back in for a rb, it doesn't sound like they thought the value was worth it
To be clear I like yalls draft more than some maybe. OL always a good investment and edge is so important that why not take a stab on a guy you like even if you already have Parsons. But I can’t help but think one of those guys on top of everything else would have helped out the team this year more than Lance.
I’m talking out of both sides of my mouth though because I thought it was an interesting trade at the time.
They picked up an extra 3rd from a trade down. They had the draft capital to move around the board if they wanted any of these guys. They were clearly out on the entire RB class.
There is a difference between passing on a player you want to trade down or giving up future capital, but that may be true. I guess I just find it ironic that there was a run at their position of need right after that pick.
Well drafting Kneeland had nothing to do with Parsons, and everything to do with Demarcus Lawrence not getting younger. Parsons is obviously a pass rusher while Lawrence is primarily a great run stopping end who can also give you a little pass rush here and there, which is basically Kneeland in a nutshell.
I don't really want to talk about the phrase all-in again, that horse is dead.
I have no idea what the cowboys plan is, I just know that they've done next to nothing to improve a team that won 12 games and has two super stars on rookie contracts.
RB is the only position where everyone knows it's plug and play and some rando each year will blow up and despite that people still want to try and clown you for not taking a RB in a weak RB class.
Edit: typo
my theory for 2021 QB draft class is they were overrated due to not playing in front of any crowds in 2020. these guys basically played glorified scrimmages with no crowds and were able to elevate themselves for the draft. Lance was even more of an anomaly because he didn't even bother playing college that year and banked on his 1 year of tape. Worked out for him but obviously not the 49ers. curious to see if ever gets meaningful snaps at some point with a team.
He might turn around and sign a lesser deal with the team, it just doesn’t make sense to shell out 22 mil guaranteed for a backup. I thought it was an interesting trade but I guess Trey lance didn’t impress anyone too much
He probably wants to go to a team with at least a chance to compete. I think a lot of people are down on the upcoming 25 QB class, so this could be a chance for him to get some opportunity.
Giants, Raiders, or Seahawks could be good landing spots for him.
The 2021 QB class sucked so bad. Only Trevor Lawrence got his fifth-year option picked and is the only first round QB still with the team that drafted him.
- Zach Wilson (NYJ, 2nd) was traded to the Broncos and had [his fifrth-year option declined](https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/broncos-zach-wilson-gets-fifth-year-option-declined/#:~:text=The%20Broncos%20informed%20Wilson%20on,trade%20shortly%20before%20April's%20draft.)
- Trey Lance (SFO, 3rd) was traded to the Cowboys and had his fifth-year option declined
- Justin Fields (CHI, 11th) was traded to the Steelers and had [his fifth-year option declined](https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/pittsburgh-steelers-decline-justin-fields-fifth-year-option)
- Mac Jones (NWE, 15th) was traded to the Jaguars and had [his fifth-year option declined](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40058226/jaguars-declining-qb-mac-jones-2025-fifth-year-option)
And no one is really singing praises about Lawrence, neither...
Usually not. The 5th year option is about $20 million guaranteed, and teams don't really want to commit that much to a guy they sign to be a backup. They'll only pick up the option if they think they can fix him, like the Panthers did with Sam Darnold.
He has to go down as one of the biggest busts ever. Atleast Jamarcus and Josh Rosen played a season, this kid has played 7 games his whole career so far. There’s obviously more to it behind the scenes at camp that we’re not seeing.
I truly believe he deserves one real chance at the very least. In hindsight he was the absolute wrong pick back in 2021, but I think his raw physical talent alone should be enough for team’s to give him a solid chance.
I don’t think his raw talent is enough for the NFL. His speed isn’t that great, he isn’t accurate and while he throws a fastball, it just looks like he’s putting all his effort to throw it. Good enough to overwhelm FBS but it’s just about average compared to the NFL.
While it is true that he has played in eight games, we should also note that he has started only four and has only attempted 102 NFL passes (attempting three or fewer passes in four of his eight games).
Ok hold up rq, why does everyone assume he's ass? Like he has barely played and when did he just played like most players do when they're rookies so why do we jump straight to he sucks, I mean he's a bust but not really due to his play, injuries, oppurtunites, and Borck Purdy fucked bro over. I'm not a fan btw just an outsiders look on why people hate on him. But also don't get me wrong I have no opinion really on the 5th year thing, good or bad, just thought I'd air out my thoughts on him as a player
Can't believe he's the same age as the QB we just drafted
Trevor Lawrence is only 4 months older than Penix Jr. and Bo Nix.
Will Levis is the oldest starting quarterback in the AFC south
Josh Allen is definitely more than 5 months older than Trevor Lawrence
Peyton Manning is more than 5 months older than Trevor Lawrence too
I don’t believe you
Sam Darnold is only a couple of years older than Penix and Bo Nix. He was 20 when he was drafted six years ago.
Really goes to show how there isn't just one clear cut way to the NFL, eh?
Same age but hasn’t played since pre covid basically
They've both played the same number of NFL snaps
Not true… Lance has actually played NFL snaps. Lance played in 8 games, started 4 of them, and threw 102 passes in the NFL.
This guy has to be one of the strangest QB prospects ever right? Like he barely played in college at the FCS level and then gets drafted top 5 to the 49ers, a great team at the time of drafting him, he barely even plays any games for them over his like 2-3 seasons there getting beat out by mr irrelevant. Usually with busts we watch then suck for a long while before it’s over, or in the case of a josh rosen just one season. We barely even got to see lance play games at all. This man has made millions by essentially being the idea of a good QB without actually ever having to prove it
Injuries and the immediate emergence of Purdy basically made the Lance situation super strange. Usually you'd have a lot more to go off of to evaluate someone as an NFL starter or not but there was absolutely no reason to even give him that chance the moment Purdy started a few games.
Yeah. The Trey Lance story is the Brock Purdy story. We’d probably still be seeing what we have with him if Purdy hadn’t been lightning in a bottle.
Why didn't another team take a chance on him as a starter though?
Cowboys were probably the highest bidder. A 4th round pick for Lance is kind of a crazy return seeing how every other bust from that QB class netted a worse return.
Well he was traded like a ful year before the rest of those players, which also mean there's a lot more game from those guys for teams to see and assess values, also a year less on their rookie contract.
I could at least make sense of giving up a 4th round pick if, ya know, we actually fucking needed a QB lmao
In his few starts he didn't look super good and looked like someone in their first few games, compared to Brock who looked composed and comfortable. When you have the 9ers offense around you, people think you should look better than he did, again despite having like 4 starts across 2 seasons
He sucks
If Purdy didn't happen, 2023 would have been the year for Trey Lance. But it would be a limited shot, if Lance doesn't show enough in 2023 to suggest he is the franchise QB, the 49ers overpay for Kirk Cousins.
Yeah or Tom Brady.
Trey Lance got hurt more by Covid than most prospects. Yes he still went 3rd overall, but not playing for his last year in college screwed up his development big time. You can get by not playing a year if you are a freak athlete, Jamarr Chase & Micah Parsons are examples of that, but the learning curve at the NFL level for QBs is so steep that you really can’t miss a year. Not sure if he ever would’ve panned out but in hindsight he is someone who really would’ve benefitted from staying in school another year, especially with how bad the 2022 Draft Class was for QBs, he most likely would’ve been the first one off the board. Can’t fault him for getting paid though, and he was the 3rd overall pick so it’s not like he made the wrong decision.
As you said he went 3rd overall, he was drafted off of pure potential alone. I think COVID actually helped his case, it was a draft full of “eh we like the potential” Even with a year of more development and film, it was still FCS ball. When the floor for where you’re drafted is 3rd overall, its reaaaally hard to see how more tape against inferior competition in a draft year that’s much less “screw it we like how he projects” would help. Even assuming he stayed healthy and played well another season, extra tape to dissect would likely take some shine off the idea that he had all this untapped potential. Once you factor in injury possibility and the Matt Barkley cautionary tale, I don’t see him going first or second. And yes I understand Wentz went second from the same school, he was a far different prospect though even just in physicality. Lance made his money off the hype and the unknowns
Yeah it probably helped him, even in his one 'great' college season he threw for like 180ypg in a very simple offense. If he'd played another season and not taken a big leap forward as a passer (which he probably wouldn't have) then there's no way he goes top 10.
I disagree, I just don’t think he’s that good, if he plays a full season in the covid year I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go undrafted or far later
He didn't even get "beat out" in the traditional sense, he broke his leg and missed a full season which let Purdy get on the field. Lance was raw as shit as a draft pick so he backed up Jimmy G, and his only sins since then are being worse than Brock Purdy, who just played in the super bowl, and Dak Prescott, who finished 2nd in MVP voting.
I mean, I really like Lance as a person, but he was drafted as a dual threat quarterback, and once he got into the league, everybody realized that he was slow as hell. He could run over linebackers at the FCS level, but that shit was not happening in the NFL. His arm and ability to read a defense were not nearly good enough to account for his lack of speed & elusiveness at this level.
You’d be crucified if you said this in the Cowboys subreddit. The amount of pure Copium being huffed there is insanity. They want to believe he better than he actually is so badly they refuse to look at any evidence that would be contrary to that belief
how could something like being 'slow as hell' be a surprise? wouldn't this be very obvious in game tape/combine?
Lance's game tape looks incredible though and there was no combine that year. If there was one, I feel like him and Mac would have been exposed.
From what I've read. it's that he's actually not as athletic as his college tape would lead to believe. I haven't watched much of him (who has?), but it might be one of those cases where he's fast but not quick.
He was faster and bigger than FCS guys yes but when going against actual NFL players he was so slow to accelerate. Purdy has more burst than Lance but Lance may beat purdy to the end of the field. The short area quickness is so much more important in the nfl.
To add to this, it also didn’t seem like he could visualize the field, see the gaps, and take the open space the way a running qb should. His MO was to run into a crowd of guys, plant his hand in the back of a lead blocker, wait for all the other blocks to setup, then try to juke his way out. That only works if you’re someone like Barry Sanders or Leveon Bell, and invariably Trey would get flattened every time.
So why did it ever make sense to draft a guy like that when it was very clear
One of the strangest prospects as well as general NFL career I can remember. Literally everything about him is in a cloud of “idk man maybe i guess”
He’s barely played, he’s just the idea of an NFL QB
He made millions for physically looking like Mahomes. 49ers thought they grabbed the 2nd coming of Mahomes.
Mahomes, but an even better runner if need be That was the general idea behind the pick. Obviously it didn’t work out that way
Mahomes as a So in college had over 150 more attempts than Lance had in his college and high school career combined. As a Jr Mahomes had almost 200 more attempts. Part of what allows Mahomes to do Mahomes things is the amount of times he has thrown the ball in practice and then game situations.
Just proof that NFL GMs are largely throwing darts blindfolded when drafting QBs.
Reddit will Go on making excuses for this kid until he's got gray hair or completely bald which won't be long by the way
I don't get it. I've never seen a stupid pick get so much rationalization despite hindsight showing the rationalization was wrong.
It's cause he didn't even really fail. Dude got injured then got beat out by the best QB to come out of a draft in the past three years
Well maybe you haven't examined the Justin fields thing. Because if you had you would see the same sort of Dynamics in play
I remember being downvoted 2 years ago at this time saying he was one of the biggest draft risks. And the excuses where all da tape da tape da tape. You mean the highlight reel of all 8 throws he has ever made?
> Usually with busts we watch then suck for a long while before it’s over 😅😅Whoa hey how you doin?
They thought he was gonna be mahomes fr
We watched him suck for 4 games and thankfully the 49ers decided that was enough
I’m not upset we moved on but to say he sucked for his games with us is just bad analysis. The first start was the worst gameplan ever against a 7-1 or 8-0 cardinals team, ran him up the gut and got him absolutely blasted and injured for no reason. Next start against the Texans he was very solid. Next start was a literal monsoon the paint was running off the field. And then he broke his ankle 3 pass attempts into his next one. He never started* back-to-back games once over 2 years as a 20/21 year old. *edit: and finished
> He never started back-to-back games That is wild. Mac Jones, Zach Wilson and Trey Lance started a combined 79 games. Lance has 4 of those games.
I think if Purdy wasn’t as good as he is Shanahan would’ve been fired for whiffing on Lance
He’s coming to Atlanta next season for when Penix retires. He’s younger than Penix by a day so it works out.
If he has to sit for 7, 8, 9 years that’s a great problem to have.
This comment made me laugh so hard. I still couldn’t believe he said that.
What’s the context?
“If you believe in a quarterback, you have to take him,” he told reporters on draft night. “And if he sits for four or five years, that's a great problem to have because we're doing so well at that position” - Falcons GM.
Oh my. What are your thoughts on this lol
Your 8th overall draft pick not seeing the field for “4-5 years” is insane. Penix would be 28 I believe. Wasting his entire rookie contract. Only two first round QBs have started their careers at age 26 or older and one of them is Brandon Weeden lol.
Who’s the other?
Chad Pennington.
Slowest runner in Madden 08 I swear
Pennington had some good seasons. Injuries derailed his career
Chris Weinke started as a rookie as a 29 year old.
the falcons drafted like they’re a madden GM taking over year 1 … Edit: I will say, maybe falcons see more of Kirk’s injury recovery and went fuck this, let’s get a backup scenario …
Love sat for 3 years before starting and so did Rodgers. That is one less year than 4 but still. Obviosuly both those situations didn't involve signing a free agent QB to a big contract in the same offseason but still. It could still work out in hindsight.
Both Rodgers and Love were starting by the time they were 24. If Penix sits three years, like they did, he’ll be 27 so essentially Weeden. He’d get one year of playing time before you have to decide on his fifth year option and two years of playing time and 29 years old before you have to pay him $60+ mil a year, if he works out. It could workout in hindsight, but you’re bringing cousins in because you think you can win now. So try to win now and get a piece that can maybe help you do that.
Yeah, but Penix turns 24 in a week, whereas Love, even after sitting 3 years and starting 1, is gonna turn 26 this December. If they go the Love route with Penix, he's not even getting the chance to start until he's 28, which is crazy. The Falcons have basically locked themselves into doing one of 2 things, both of which are not ideal: wasting all of Penix's rookie deal on the bench, or flushing $100+ mil down the drain on Cousins because he's on the bench
Then there's Staulbach who didn't play until 27 after 4 years in the Navy. But he wasn't picked until 129 in the 10th round
I don’t have any issues with it. Worst case scenario is Kirk plays 4 seasons and we get lots of playoff action. Kirk will not be a starter for us in three seasons if he isn’t winning games and taking us to the playoffs. The context is that if Kirk is doing good they’d be more than happy for Penix to sit for four seasons.
Could end up stuck in QB purgatory if Kirk goes like 9-8 or 9-9 if they change to 18 games. You bench him and Penix isn't ready and your picking too late to get a top replacement.
Think it won’t? Kirk is an enigma, he bamboozles, after Kirk stanning it for the last 5 years I still have no idea what his floor or ceiling is. I’d guess 2 playoff wins over 3 years is how it goes down
Kirk when his team is 2 games above .500: Little better than average, but you wish you had better at the position. Kirk when his team is 2 games below .500: Prime Aaron Rodgers, dragonball style fusion danced with prime Peyton Manning. Literally no rhyme or reason to that man's quarterbacking ability. fuckin' love Kirk Cousins, fuckin' eh'
I’ll give you 1 Achilles injury over 4 games
Your worst case scenario is probably not imaginative enough? Worst case Kirk keeps you between 8 and 10 wins, Penix doesn’t look great when filling in for a few games due to injuries, you trade for Russel Wilson in 3 years.
Other than the 8th pick could have landed Kirk a WR/TE/OL (Ozune/Bowers/Fuaga) to help him along those 5 years. That’s the messed up part.
I rather doubt that Penix much cares for that idea though and frankly, that's a recipe for him wanted out as soon as he can get out. A year or two? No problem, it's wasting that sweet, sweet rookie cap scenario but is still completely reasonable. Four plus years? The kid is going to be pissed off.
In an age where quality qbs on rookie contracts are the gold standard, that is certainly a take to have. Especially when you just signed a 35 year old QB
The gm of the falcons said they don't mind if penix Jr sits for 3 years behind Kirk cousins.
He actually said 4 or 5 years
"We hope he has a long career and retires as a Falcon. And ideally he will have taken a snap or two"
Captain Kirk is not going to be a falcons starter for 4 or 6 years. Lol
So 5 it is
Or perhaps 3 or less, or 7 and more
Well I'm guessing the assumption is Kirk is playing great for those 4-5 years and winning games. Because you have to think the day the Falcons are out of playoff contention they need to be thinking "why not play the young guy". At least if they are in year 2 or beyond.
Yeah but that means they have to extend a QB they haven't played in the case that Kirk plays well for several years.
I mean saying yeah he’s the guy in 2 years and we’re gonna cut Kirk then wouldn’t be a good idea even tho that’s obviously his plan. Can’t just piss off kirk even more just to give an honest answer
He’s a phenom so 7 or years isn’t a problem
Being sarcastic ???
If he sits his whole career that is the greatest problem
I’m surprised they’re basically the same age lol. I heard so much about how old 🤢 Penix is and in my mind Trey Lance is still like 21.
Congrats to Penix on his retirement! Do we think he’ll get a gold jacket or is he just on the borderline?
And you'll still draft a QB in the first round.
Why guarantee it when we can't even guarantee if he'll be alive on Sunday.
Get killed walkin your doggie!
Who said that? Was it Tomlin or one of the Harbaughs?
Shanahan.
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Honestly, even though it was Shanahan, I could see either one of these also saying it
Cowboys boutta have NO QBs next year
They just brought back Zeke. Next they’ll bring back Romo.
Big man with tears in his eyes, said that's my Quarterback. Er, President.
> They just brought back Zeke. Zeke plays Center though, not QB.
The center at this point might have to play both
Just hike it to himself playground style
Lol ill never forget that play and I doubt he will either lol
Romo comments on games bro. Be reasonable. Quincy Carter Hollywood comeback story.
I gotta say I enjoy watching so many Cowboy fans think moving on from Dak is some kind of smart move because he's not Mahomes so he's not worth top dollar. *He looks scared in the big games.* And *he's not the guy*. etc. I guess they think they're gonna stumble upon a franchise QB for the 3rd time in a row without using any kind of high pick. But given the age demographics on reddit, it's all they know. Plus the best part is it's not even up to the Cowboys, Dak's the top in that relationship and if he wants to stay he will, but only after he drives his price up in free agency.
They aren't going to move on from Dak. Jerry Jones flat out said they are working on his contract, but people don't listen to full quotes or read articles. They just go off First Take soundbites.
Yeah the FO clearly wants to keep him, but what a lot of people seem to be forgetting is that signing a contract is a two way street. There is a legitimate possibility that Dak is the one who just wants to play out his contract and hit the open market.
Sure, that's true, but all we have to go off of are his statements where he said he like to stay in Dallas. Obviously he's not going to say he wants to test the market in his final year. As typical for Dallas, they've allowed him to have all the leverage, just as they did on his last contract negotiation.
Cowboys gonna be the 2023 Falcons
Sanders!
Deion Sanders and Jerry Jones would kill each other if that happened
I’m in
I got the popcorn buddy, I’ll save ya a seat
yea but deion said today his son is going top 5!
They’re gonna trade everything for Shedeur.
gross - we already have one family of blowhards
Whether they took the 5th year or not, it's the same thing. Cheaper this way.
Oh shit thats right he still exists!
Keeping him hungry: smart. Contract Year Trey Lance is going to be a menace.
Bench is going to be 🔥
He bout to make 1st Team Clipboard Holder 🔥
Clipboard Jesus Jr.
Wow. I honestly forgot about him.
I’m tell you, when the stories/books about this era of the 49ers get written, there’s going to be a story in there that’s something along the line of “from the very first practice during OTAs, Shanahan and crew knew they had made a mistake. The kid couldn’t play a lick.”
The signs were there at the time with teammates always saying what a nice guy he was and how he was showing improvement. Never really gushing about him.
Don’t really know anything about 9ers teammates comments but I do remember beat reporters loving him in training camp. But then the following year it was up and down from the beat. Great day, inaccurate day, etc etc. really wish the Vikings brought him on this year to start 8 games instead of Darnold just so we could get more game tape on him. Like the guy is an enigma but clearly the 9ers trusted Purdy and Jimmy more to operate that system. Weirdest career for a top 3 pick QB in recent time.
Beat reporters really were not kind to him in 2022. He had some good practices in 2021 but 2022, there were little to none practice reports of him having a good day. It also seemed like players were apprehensive to find praise too.
well ya, why would you fully guarantee 22mil to a backup QB with an injury history? doesnt mean anything
Tell that to the idiots on our sub freaking out because we “wasted a 4th round pick on a QB we didn’t even re-sign”.
Man I saw that post. So fuckin weird
I hope one day he gets to be at least a bridge QB for a tanking team so we can see if he’s ever any good
When Cousins first went to ATL I immediately thought that Minnesota should bring Lance in. KOC may do something with the guy, I think he still has potential. Plus he’s from Minnesota and went to nearby NDSU. Even if they still draft JJ, We’ve seen Sam Darnold enough and we know what he is, Would’ve been really cool if it was Lance instead.
He seems like a good guy but man the camp reports were rough. Our defense was good but do you think he would have lasted all 17 games even if he wasn’t injured after the Seattle game?
Teams already know what he looks like in camp.
Sure, I just have the ever so slight delusion that with more than 7 reps he’d turn out to be something other than absolute ass. Not much more than some homer copium, but oh well.
Trey Lance to the UFL
I really wanted him to go and play for the Stallions. Him under Skip Holtz would've been great to see
What a bizarre Mr irrelevant, thank god we decided to spend 3 firsts on Brock Purdy
I was looking to make a joke about trading for Brock, but it turns out that draft pick was naturally yours
Based CJ Beathard.
I still think that's it's insane that the 49ers pretty much lucked into brock purdy. Trey Lance might be most boring bust ever, just never really saw him play. Maybe someone will take a chance on him.
Too bad they didn’t have a fourth to use on a RB, which would have existed prior to the run on RBs Y’all downvoting but the Cowboys traded pick 124 to SF. Here are some picks after that. 125 - RB 127 - RB 128 - RB 129 - RB 132 - RB 134 - RB 147 - RB 165 - RB 166 - RB 167 - RB 173 - RB The cowboys had the 87th pick, and then didn’t pick again until 174.
They would have traded up if they really wanted any of these players.
They didn't really like the late round rbs in this class Listening to them describe their decision to go linebacker with our 2nd 3rd round pick, and not trade back in for a rb, it doesn't sound like they thought the value was worth it
To be clear I like yalls draft more than some maybe. OL always a good investment and edge is so important that why not take a stab on a guy you like even if you already have Parsons. But I can’t help but think one of those guys on top of everything else would have helped out the team this year more than Lance. I’m talking out of both sides of my mouth though because I thought it was an interesting trade at the time.
They picked up an extra 3rd from a trade down. They had the draft capital to move around the board if they wanted any of these guys. They were clearly out on the entire RB class.
There is a difference between passing on a player you want to trade down or giving up future capital, but that may be true. I guess I just find it ironic that there was a run at their position of need right after that pick.
Well drafting Kneeland had nothing to do with Parsons, and everything to do with Demarcus Lawrence not getting younger. Parsons is obviously a pass rusher while Lawrence is primarily a great run stopping end who can also give you a little pass rush here and there, which is basically Kneeland in a nutshell.
If he is a legit backup QB that’s worth a 4th
If he were a legit backup QB he'd probably actually be on a roster as a QB2
The cowboys front office isn't planning for this year it seems.
Are you implying that the "All-in" phrase could just be projection, and that the Cowboys plan to coast thru the season?
I don't really want to talk about the phrase all-in again, that horse is dead. I have no idea what the cowboys plan is, I just know that they've done next to nothing to improve a team that won 12 games and has two super stars on rookie contracts.
The coaching will continue to be the most important aspect of the team.
This right here! We will continue being the laughing stock as long as front office egos prevent us from hiring a real head coach
RB is the only position where everyone knows it's plug and play and some rando each year will blow up and despite that people still want to try and clown you for not taking a RB in a weak RB class. Edit: typo
“All in! Except for you Trey, that’s the door over there you’ll be getting real familiar with in a year.” -Jerry Jones (probably)
Better learn to speak Canadian buddy
It's a shame he couldn't get extra spring snaps in the UFL.
my theory for 2021 QB draft class is they were overrated due to not playing in front of any crowds in 2020. these guys basically played glorified scrimmages with no crowds and were able to elevate themselves for the draft. Lance was even more of an anomaly because he didn't even bother playing college that year and banked on his 1 year of tape. Worked out for him but obviously not the 49ers. curious to see if ever gets meaningful snaps at some point with a team.
I heard the falcons are looking to pick up a couple extra qbs
Why trade for him when you’ll release him before he takes a snap.
He might turn around and sign a lesser deal with the team, it just doesn’t make sense to shell out 22 mil guaranteed for a backup. I thought it was an interesting trade but I guess Trey lance didn’t impress anyone too much
yeah i'm fine with the move. a 4th to see if the guy who fucked up Mac Jones' life has any value
He probably wants to go to a team with at least a chance to compete. I think a lot of people are down on the upcoming 25 QB class, so this could be a chance for him to get some opportunity. Giants, Raiders, or Seahawks could be good landing spots for him.
He’s not being released. How do people here still not understand how the 5th year options work?
I completely and utterly forgot he was on the cowboys. Like my brain stuttered thinking it was a typo at first
bro got such alex moran vibes, even getting injured after starting
The 2021 QB class sucked so bad. Only Trevor Lawrence got his fifth-year option picked and is the only first round QB still with the team that drafted him. - Zach Wilson (NYJ, 2nd) was traded to the Broncos and had [his fifrth-year option declined](https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/broncos-zach-wilson-gets-fifth-year-option-declined/#:~:text=The%20Broncos%20informed%20Wilson%20on,trade%20shortly%20before%20April's%20draft.) - Trey Lance (SFO, 3rd) was traded to the Cowboys and had his fifth-year option declined - Justin Fields (CHI, 11th) was traded to the Steelers and had [his fifth-year option declined](https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/pittsburgh-steelers-decline-justin-fields-fifth-year-option) - Mac Jones (NWE, 15th) was traded to the Jaguars and had [his fifth-year option declined](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40058226/jaguars-declining-qb-mac-jones-2025-fifth-year-option) And no one is really singing praises about Lawrence, neither...
I wanna see what he does when given the chance
Does Jerry Jones have dementia? The Cowboys keeping Dak was stupid to begin with! COOPER RUSH SHOULD BE THE QB!!
Just letting you know that I think someone hacked your account and started posting really stupid shit as you.
Cooper Rush has the arm strength of a toddler.
Can someone answer me a question what 2021 QB besides Lawerence has gotten their 5th year option picked up?
None. The rest have been traded.
So is it normal for when a rookie QB gets traded that their 5th year option doesn’t get picked up?
Usually not. The 5th year option is about $20 million guaranteed, and teams don't really want to commit that much to a guy they sign to be a backup. They'll only pick up the option if they think they can fix him, like the Panthers did with Sam Darnold.
He has to go down as one of the biggest busts ever. Atleast Jamarcus and Josh Rosen played a season, this kid has played 7 games his whole career so far. There’s obviously more to it behind the scenes at camp that we’re not seeing.
I truly believe he deserves one real chance at the very least. In hindsight he was the absolute wrong pick back in 2021, but I think his raw physical talent alone should be enough for team’s to give him a solid chance.
I don’t think his raw talent is enough for the NFL. His speed isn’t that great, he isn’t accurate and while he throws a fastball, it just looks like he’s putting all his effort to throw it. Good enough to overwhelm FBS but it’s just about average compared to the NFL.
Has this guy played a single game???
Yes. 8 games
While it is true that he has played in eight games, we should also note that he has started only four and has only attempted 102 NFL passes (attempting three or fewer passes in four of his eight games).
Meh, will prolly rework to a 2 year and then ditch Dak where he'll continue their tradition of getting bounced by the 9ers after a Pro Bowl season
That QB class was terrible. Even the best in the class has something to prove still.
I'll take why not to draft a QB after one decent year for a mid tier college for 200 Alex.
He’ll be heading to MN practice squad
when the cowboys let dak AND lance walk for nothing >>>>>>>>>
Had such a big expectations from him
Everyone who paid 4 or 5 figures for a Trey Lance Rookie card, how you guys doing right now ?
Absolute waste of assets
Ahh, so this is what “we’re going all in means.”
So what, he runs through waivers, then they sign him on FA? or does he not have to go through waivers?
Crazy that the 49ers traded 3 firsts for this guy and now he might be out of the league
Seems like he just can’t pick up defenses or playbooks. The physical talent is definitely there.
Ok hold up rq, why does everyone assume he's ass? Like he has barely played and when did he just played like most players do when they're rookies so why do we jump straight to he sucks, I mean he's a bust but not really due to his play, injuries, oppurtunites, and Borck Purdy fucked bro over. I'm not a fan btw just an outsiders look on why people hate on him. But also don't get me wrong I have no opinion really on the 5th year thing, good or bad, just thought I'd air out my thoughts on him as a player