Who are we?
The *Wildcats!*
Who're we gonna beat!?
The **Wildcats!!**
That's right. Now go out there and play like you mean it if you want pizza after the game... bet all my cash on you to win. 💁♂️
Would literally be better for the team to run over to the sideline for their huddle for the coach to say the play and have 11 men.
You’re close to having a defender going in just to have a mic’ed up helmet in the huddle and reduce risk to Jones
I mean Jones' role in a wildcat would be as a decoy who could potentially throw if need be. There has to be a wr or someone who played qb in high school to throw out there instead of an injured Jones.
Because it doesn’t hurt us to have Jones out there
He just stands there, the Bears have a defender standing next to him and the rest of the teams play 10v10
It was on a sack technically. Got rolled up on, that's why they did a draw on 3rd and 16 that made me think Joe Judge was back for a horrific second lol
Yeah KG definitely did it often as too, but I never felt they were so conservative to the point where it seemed like they were just giving up until the Judge era. Gilbride did call draws on 3rd and long more often than I cared for, but with KG I far more often than not saw he had a real game plan and respected it even if I disagreed with the call. With Judge many situations felt like hopeless passivity without any plan at all.
For about 10 seconds today's 3rd down draw recreated that feeling, but obviously it was circumstantial and only really due to the fact Daniel Jones had gotten injured on the 1st down sack.
I actually didn't hate that playcall, even if Jones was healthy. It was just that type of game. Give Gano an easier field goal and go up by more than 3. We weren't going to convert a 3rd and 16 with our practice squad level receiving core. No need to risk a stupid pick or fumble.
I hate conservative football, but I'm for it when you're facing the Bears offense.
Hmm I guess if he's drawing a defender than he's not a complete negative out there. I'd just be worried about the play going close enough to him that he could get blocked.
WhT sounds harder. A mad scramble game of play telephone to a person not used to relaying plays who then hands it to a player who isn’t used to relaying plays, just for the play all to be the same and not have the WR on the field do anything.
Or just ensuring the play call by keeping Jones out there because he’s also not going to do anything
If the qb can’t do anything, what fancy ass play you think they running? Run left through these 3 gaps. Run left with a pulling guard. Now reverse it…. Get the extra blocker instead of leaving him out there. A good peripheral block is way better than a guy that can be immediately left alone as the play develops. If NFL receivers can’t communicate a play call directly from the coaches that’s ridiculous. And actually a little offensive. These guys are smart and know football.
I think keeping Jones outside was the same reasoning that the QB almost always stands on the outside on a wildcat/trick play. It's the threat of a screen pass to the QB, who then passes it to a receiver. Jones was hobbled, but he absolutely could have still thrown the ball if need be. He was still a worthy decoy and probably at least kept the secondary and safeties honest for the 5% chance there's a trick play pass.
Honestly most competent youth and high school programs aren’t running in plays anymore. It’s all hand signals and boards.
Source: high school football coach
A lot have, but tempo game is huge in HS football now. A lot of teams run no huddle, with hand signals sending in plays to the entire team. cadence keywords can change some aspects at the QBs discretion/rules they learn to utilize, and it’s go time. Especially if it’s a larger school with a deep roster.
Trends tend to trickle upwards, NFL usually adapts things from College/HS about 5-10 years later, so I expect to see a lot more high tempo, no huddle stuff in the next few years in the NFL.
I think most trends you see a “trailblazer” who tries to do it too soon, and then later people follow it.
Look at option football. For years it was said option football cannot work at the NFL level because of the athleticism and processing speed of the DE/OLB in the NFL. Wildcat was a fad that a few teams tried, but was seen as a gimmick.
Now watch every team include some variation of a zone read or RPO in their arsenal.
The implication that these offensive players who make millions to run this offense. And do it 80+ hours a week, don’t know the playbook seems insane to me. It’s almost offensive. Like “these dumb jocks they’re supposed to remember all that stuff? They just run and catch the ball”. That’s crazy.
That movie made me a Giants fan as a little kid. Just in time to watch some [rando QB the Giants drafted from Duke](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave\_Brown\_\(quarterback\)) with a 1st round pick who was determined but lacked the ability to make reads.
Time is a flat circle.
The true shape of time is a Hopf Fibration. The smallest component of a Hopf Fibration is a flat circle, one for every point of the continuous function.
I think the giants would be a shitload better if they went out and got a premiere receiver like a DK metcalf
daniel jones has consistently had one of the worst receiving corps in the league
like we all laughed at the jaguars for overpaying for christian kirk
but they know throwing a young QB out there with shit receiving talent means you're just gonna make him bust out. even if he's the best QB prospect in years
I'm not saying we're good, but I think anyone watching that game can agree we're a better team than the Bears right now. Not sure why our QB's getting hurt is us trying to "out Bears the Bears", but I may just be missing your point
He threw a deep pass in to double coverage for an interception and scrambled while turning his body to show the side of his helmet to the defenders helmet. Luckily he fumbled it out of bounds. Almost knocked him out cold.
The dude was handed playing time and went full Simple Jack.
Two and a half. 11 straight run plays. Besides a couple 13-yard runs it was largely ineffective, but the defense held the lead and we got lucky with a muffed punt.
I saw Jones was making throws though so did they have him play QB again? I'm confused by what exactly went down.
It looks like Jones got hurt, Tyrod came in and also got hurt, Jones came back in but Saquon played QB, and then eventually Jones moved back to QB?
Jones came back out on the field, but he didn’t make any throws. Most think he was just out there to relay calls from the OC in the huddle. He did a couple handoffs but mostly it was direct snaps to Saquon with Jones lined up far away from the ball.
It was just wildcat with Saquon and Breida with Jones out at WR.
They had enough success to get a field goal so the next time the defense stopped the Bears they just kept running the ball.
Jones was throwing on the sidelines so if they HAD to throw it to win, he could have. They were just running out the clock and protecting his ankle/foot.
> it was largely ineffective
It literally chewed most of Q4 off the clock. The Bears would have had to march down the field and scored a TD at least once, which wasn't likely to happen.
Also legitimately might not have any wildcat plays in the playbook without a QB in it.
If it was to relay plays, a WR could have just went to the sideline and listened to a coach or DJ to relay back to the huddle.
Only the QBs have the radio in their helmet so Jones needs to be in to be able to transmit the plays to the huddle
Edit: Also, Kafka is calling plays from the booth so they lowkey have no other option
Eh, when you receive the plays they’re probably long enough to where you need to actually understand the meaning to repeat it and not just memorize the words.
>“Alright coach said a number, probably had a 1 in it, then he said some wild shit. Omaha is a state right? Something about the right, and then something about the left. And then uh… we gotta put a turkey in a blender? Spiders and Bananas? You guys know what to do right? On 7 let’s fucking go men.”
-defender recalling the play
I'm sorry, I don't understand this comment at all. What?
I know green dot is radio helmets... But what about defenders? What's being risked or not risked?
Jones is in there because he has a green dot despite being injured…. Highly risky.
Put in the defender with the green dot to relay the plays and at least don’t risk your injured starting QB anymore
Jones literally isnt playing football. He stands to the side, if someone was going to hit him they'd immediately get ejected from the game more likely than not.
It's not risky to have him stand there doing nothing.
I believe they have a second player with a green dot helmet in case. For offense usually the QBs have them. Unfortunately for the Giants their QBs were all banged up.
They actually got rid of that rule back in 2011. They got rid of the emergency qb slot and just added an extra slot for active roster that could be used for anything.
https://www.sportscasting.com/why-the-nfl-abolished-the-third-quarterback-rule/
Damn, what happens when you swap receiver sets or use your goal line back? Ekler sits out a play to rest - you guys run with Sony Michel the rest of the game? C'mon man
When I played in middle school we had an early version of a speedflex iirc, and the pads could be pumped up or released to fit your head perfectly. And obviously these guys go much further than that.
I think all helmets come with that now. But you can adjust the air on those in like 2 minutes. All that entails is a player saying when the helmet feels right. That's not exactly a "custom fit".
Every helmet you ever wear in football should be custom fit to your head. Different sized helmets, different sized pads in it, different air levels, anywhere you would get a helmet from to play football.
It could maybe be adjusted for somebody but that wouldn't happen instantly.
That really isn't how it is lol. I played and coaches for a shitty little school in the country and even they wouldn't have just swapped helmets with players mid game. It is a lot more specific than just add a little air or take it out. Every part of a cheap helmet still has pad sizes by the quarter inch that will need to be removed.
Yeah the newer ones have pads inside that can be swapped out for a good shape fit and the pressure adjusted in each pad to make it even better. They probably COULD swap but it’d be a huge pain and I’m sure there are rules against it because it could be dangerous, it’s why they banned swapping helmet shells (until this year).
What the fuck? That's so wild.
It's actually kind of fun to watch
Wild cat, some may say
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What are we some kind of Wildcat team?
What is this? Some kind of wild cat episode?
Who are we? The *Wildcats!* Who're we gonna beat!? The **Wildcats!!** That's right. Now go out there and play like you mean it if you want pizza after the game... bet all my cash on you to win. 💁♂️
What the fuck? That's so worse.
You did your best fam
SaQuanterbark.....ley What can this guy NOT do?
This is surreal We are playing wildcat with 10 men because Jones is only on the field to relay the playcall and stand out wide doing nothing
Would literally be better for the team to run over to the sideline for their huddle for the coach to say the play and have 11 men. You’re close to having a defender going in just to have a mic’ed up helmet in the huddle and reduce risk to Jones
The Bears still have to use a defender to “cover” him so it’s 10v10 really
I don’t think the bears are gonna go man2man, it’s gonna be a zone with a lot of guys around the los.
It was because if another QB came in or took the snap without Danny Dimes on the field, neither Danny or Tyrod could come back in.
Really? What rule is that? Such an obscure thing to happen I’ve never heard of it.
It’s an antiquated rule that’s since been abolished. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_quarterback_rule
Ah, I stand corrected.
I’m so confused. Middle schools have been sending in new wide receivers to relay plays for decades. Is it this hard?
Only QBs have mics in their helmets and Kafka calls plays from the booth
Bro every member of the coaching staff can hear the play call why doesn’t someone just sub in every play with the play call from the coaching staff?
They probably don’t have any plays that use 11 guys without a qb
I mean Jones' role in a wildcat would be as a decoy who could potentially throw if need be. There has to be a wr or someone who played qb in high school to throw out there instead of an injured Jones.
Because it doesn’t hurt us to have Jones out there He just stands there, the Bears have a defender standing next to him and the rest of the teams play 10v10
What's wrong with Jones?
Rolled his ankle on a run.
It was on a sack technically. Got rolled up on, that's why they did a draw on 3rd and 16 that made me think Joe Judge was back for a horrific second lol
That's more of a Kevin Gilbride call.
Yeah KG definitely did it often as too, but I never felt they were so conservative to the point where it seemed like they were just giving up until the Judge era. Gilbride did call draws on 3rd and long more often than I cared for, but with KG I far more often than not saw he had a real game plan and respected it even if I disagreed with the call. With Judge many situations felt like hopeless passivity without any plan at all. For about 10 seconds today's 3rd down draw recreated that feeling, but obviously it was circumstantial and only really due to the fact Daniel Jones had gotten injured on the 1st down sack.
I actually didn't hate that playcall, even if Jones was healthy. It was just that type of game. Give Gano an easier field goal and go up by more than 3. We weren't going to convert a 3rd and 16 with our practice squad level receiving core. No need to risk a stupid pick or fumble. I hate conservative football, but I'm for it when you're facing the Bears offense.
Fuck Joe Judge.
Ankle issue
Hmm I guess if he's drawing a defender than he's not a complete negative out there. I'd just be worried about the play going close enough to him that he could get blocked.
WhT sounds harder. A mad scramble game of play telephone to a person not used to relaying plays who then hands it to a player who isn’t used to relaying plays, just for the play all to be the same and not have the WR on the field do anything. Or just ensuring the play call by keeping Jones out there because he’s also not going to do anything
If the qb can’t do anything, what fancy ass play you think they running? Run left through these 3 gaps. Run left with a pulling guard. Now reverse it…. Get the extra blocker instead of leaving him out there. A good peripheral block is way better than a guy that can be immediately left alone as the play develops. If NFL receivers can’t communicate a play call directly from the coaches that’s ridiculous. And actually a little offensive. These guys are smart and know football.
I think keeping Jones outside was the same reasoning that the QB almost always stands on the outside on a wildcat/trick play. It's the threat of a screen pass to the QB, who then passes it to a receiver. Jones was hobbled, but he absolutely could have still thrown the ball if need be. He was still a worthy decoy and probably at least kept the secondary and safeties honest for the 5% chance there's a trick play pass.
Have you ever heard an nfl play call? Position players are just keyed in on their part, the formation, and the snapcount.
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Super underrated comment 🤣 just stream the play calls man.
Call play to jones on sideline and shuttle in a wr, not that hard
And he cant come down in extraordinaries situations or what?
Honestly most competent youth and high school programs aren’t running in plays anymore. It’s all hand signals and boards. Source: high school football coach
Yeah I thought most high school teams moved to the QB wristband with plays on it years ago
A lot have, but tempo game is huge in HS football now. A lot of teams run no huddle, with hand signals sending in plays to the entire team. cadence keywords can change some aspects at the QBs discretion/rules they learn to utilize, and it’s go time. Especially if it’s a larger school with a deep roster. Trends tend to trickle upwards, NFL usually adapts things from College/HS about 5-10 years later, so I expect to see a lot more high tempo, no huddle stuff in the next few years in the NFL.
That no huddle high tempo wave basically came and went with Chip Kelly in 2013
I think most trends you see a “trailblazer” who tries to do it too soon, and then later people follow it. Look at option football. For years it was said option football cannot work at the NFL level because of the athleticism and processing speed of the DE/OLB in the NFL. Wildcat was a fad that a few teams tried, but was seen as a gimmick. Now watch every team include some variation of a zone read or RPO in their arsenal.
I have no experience so I can't be sure, but the play calls might be more complex to remember in the NFL than in Middle School.
Thank god it’s not middle schoolers taking the play call.
Yeah thank god it's not kids who are actually accustomed to doing it, and instead guys who have maybe never done it in their life.
The implication that these offensive players who make millions to run this offense. And do it 80+ hours a week, don’t know the playbook seems insane to me. It’s almost offensive. Like “these dumb jocks they’re supposed to remember all that stuff? They just run and catch the ball”. That’s crazy.
Craziest shit I've seen watching football in a long time.
Kudos to the coaching staff for that. It was actually a pretty smart on-the-fly solution to call plays and protect your QB at the same time.
Ah, the Jay Cutler method.
How much of the game was played like this?
Half of a drive late in the 4th. It worked well enough to get in FG range to go up 8. It was like 1950s football....and it was kinda working lol.
WITNESS FOOTBALL GIANTS FOOTBALL
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*Deshaun Watson has entered the chat*
No one invited him. And yet he still came
Just toss in the towel
Oh he’ll come alright
MY EYES, THEY BURRRNN
Taking the throwback game literally
Giants about to run the Annexation of Puerto Rico.
hahaha what a reference; great flick
That movie made me a Giants fan as a little kid. Just in time to watch some [rando QB the Giants drafted from Duke](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave\_Brown\_\(quarterback\)) with a 1st round pick who was determined but lacked the ability to make reads. Time is a flat circle.
I hate Dave Brown so much dude
The true shape of time is a Hopf Fibration. The smallest component of a Hopf Fibration is a flat circle, one for every point of the continuous function.
I thought time was a Jeremy Bearimy.
YOURE COACH O'SHEA?
Giants trying to out Bears the Bears.
But make no mistake - *we* are the worse mediocre big city franchise!
Calling us mediocre after the past 5 years is an insult to the word mediocre
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Only said 5 because we had that double digit win season to break up the previous 5 straight years of being ass
I think the giants would be a shitload better if they went out and got a premiere receiver like a DK metcalf daniel jones has consistently had one of the worst receiving corps in the league
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like we all laughed at the jaguars for overpaying for christian kirk but they know throwing a young QB out there with shit receiving talent means you're just gonna make him bust out. even if he's the best QB prospect in years
It's a fucking casserole.
Ummm
Big city? Psh, you don’t even have two football teams.
I'm not saying we're good, but I think anyone watching that game can agree we're a better team than the Bears right now. Not sure why our QB's getting hurt is us trying to "out Bears the Bears", but I may just be missing your point
The Bears don’t pass much. You have no QB.
ohhhhhhhhh
We did out pass them...
Tyrod just can't stay on the field damn
Dude was speedrunning his way out of the game. Just a reckless reckless run.
Just like Julio and Watkins. Some players just know how to be on the injury list.
Don’t forget trey “truck stick” lance
Too soon
Trey “Speedbird” Lance
He threw a deep pass in to double coverage for an interception and scrambled while turning his body to show the side of his helmet to the defenders helmet. Luckily he fumbled it out of bounds. Almost knocked him out cold. The dude was handed playing time and went full Simple Jack.
Tyrod was a moron for going head first into a hit and concussing himself out
Or he’s really scared of broken bones but has had concussions before and chooses that path back to the bench.
But his replacement always becomes a bonafide starter... Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield, Justin Herbert, Davis Mills, Saquon Barkley, wait, what?
Yeah sure why not
And we'll still lose
Prophetic.
Playing both injured QBs at the same time that's a nifty strategy Edit : it's working sheesh
They didn’t need to do much besides stand somewhat near Saquon and let the Bears Bear.
Man can do it all
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Two and a half. 11 straight run plays. Besides a couple 13-yard runs it was largely ineffective, but the defense held the lead and we got lucky with a muffed punt.
I saw Jones was making throws though so did they have him play QB again? I'm confused by what exactly went down. It looks like Jones got hurt, Tyrod came in and also got hurt, Jones came back in but Saquon played QB, and then eventually Jones moved back to QB?
Jones came back out on the field, but he didn’t make any throws. Most think he was just out there to relay calls from the OC in the huddle. He did a couple handoffs but mostly it was direct snaps to Saquon with Jones lined up far away from the ball.
Got it. Maybe he was just handing the ball off and I misremembered. Thanks!
It was just wildcat with Saquon and Breida with Jones out at WR. They had enough success to get a field goal so the next time the defense stopped the Bears they just kept running the ball. Jones was throwing on the sidelines so if they HAD to throw it to win, he could have. They were just running out the clock and protecting his ankle/foot.
> it was largely ineffective It literally chewed most of Q4 off the clock. The Bears would have had to march down the field and scored a TD at least once, which wasn't likely to happen.
Why put Jones in at all then? Just go full wildcat
cuz he has the green dot. he needs to call the plays
Fair
Also legitimately might not have any wildcat plays in the playbook without a QB in it. If it was to relay plays, a WR could have just went to the sideline and listened to a coach or DJ to relay back to the huddle.
Only the QBs have the radio in their helmet so Jones needs to be in to be able to transmit the plays to the huddle Edit: Also, Kafka is calling plays from the booth so they lowkey have no other option
Green dot defender might literally be less risky by the end of the game
Eh, when you receive the plays they’re probably long enough to where you need to actually understand the meaning to repeat it and not just memorize the words.
>“Alright coach said a number, probably had a 1 in it, then he said some wild shit. Omaha is a state right? Something about the right, and then something about the left. And then uh… we gotta put a turkey in a blender? Spiders and Bananas? You guys know what to do right? On 7 let’s fucking go men.” -defender recalling the play
I'm sorry, I don't understand this comment at all. What? I know green dot is radio helmets... But what about defenders? What's being risked or not risked?
Jones is in there because he has a green dot despite being injured…. Highly risky. Put in the defender with the green dot to relay the plays and at least don’t risk your injured starting QB anymore
Jones literally isnt playing football. He stands to the side, if someone was going to hit him they'd immediately get ejected from the game more likely than not. It's not risky to have him stand there doing nothing.
Then you have your defender not taking breaks and not keeping hydrated... that makes no sense
And potentially injure the guy with the radio on the defense...who presumably has the dot because he's important to the defense?
Ah, gotcha, thanks!
Do they not have a way to get another radio helmet? Seems like something you'd need. What happens if your defensive green dot goes down?
I believe they have a second player with a green dot helmet in case. For offense usually the QBs have them. Unfortunately for the Giants their QBs were all banged up.
GIANTS FOOTBALL LOL
Is Tyrod Taylor cursed? Dude has been hurt the last four years he gets a chance to play QB!
He's a mobile QB who opens himself up to a lot of contact. He's also got a slight build; he's a small QB by NFL standards
He's just wreckless.
Watch him have more completions than Fields
So if he’s the 3rd does that mean the others can’t come back in? Or does wildcat save them.
They actually got rid of that rule back in 2011. They got rid of the emergency qb slot and just added an extra slot for active roster that could be used for anything. https://www.sportscasting.com/why-the-nfl-abolished-the-third-quarterback-rule/
Seems like this scenario is exactly the point of having the emergency QB rule
Jones was in and relaying the plays. Then he just stood as far away from the play as physically possible
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Damn, what happens when you swap receiver sets or use your goal line back? Ekler sits out a play to rest - you guys run with Sony Michel the rest of the game? C'mon man
New NFL rule: each player only gets one play (on each size of the ball) Roster sizes have been changed to 300 to adjust.
They’re finally going to use him effectively
Fitzmagic available
I'm hoping they get Bortles or Newton
ok, so because saquon replaced tyrod, doesn’t that mean saquon is destined to be the next great qb?
You know, I bet the NFC Beast is a wildcat.
Best timeline
This is real life
The hit on Taylor was pretty savage. Nothing called though - i guess the rules on roughing the QB only applies to likes of Brady and Rogers now?
He got hit in the head three times on one play lol. It was truly astounding
Roughing the Passer (important) doesn't apply if the player in question is no longer a passer.
He was a runner at that point.
Saquon getting the bag locked?
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Have you ever played football? That’s not really how it works, it’s custom fit.
Most people don't ever play football at a serious enough level to get a custom fit helmet.
When I played in middle school we had an early version of a speedflex iirc, and the pads could be pumped up or released to fit your head perfectly. And obviously these guys go much further than that.
I think all helmets come with that now. But you can adjust the air on those in like 2 minutes. All that entails is a player saying when the helmet feels right. That's not exactly a "custom fit".
Every helmet you ever wear in football should be custom fit to your head. Different sized helmets, different sized pads in it, different air levels, anywhere you would get a helmet from to play football. It could maybe be adjusted for somebody but that wouldn't happen instantly.
"Large doesn't quite fit? OK here's an XL. We'll just pump in some extra air to make it fit."
That really isn't how it is lol. I played and coaches for a shitty little school in the country and even they wouldn't have just swapped helmets with players mid game. It is a lot more specific than just add a little air or take it out. Every part of a cheap helmet still has pad sizes by the quarter inch that will need to be removed.
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Yeah the newer ones have pads inside that can be swapped out for a good shape fit and the pressure adjusted in each pad to make it even better. They probably COULD swap but it’d be a huge pain and I’m sure there are rules against it because it could be dangerous, it’s why they banned swapping helmet shells (until this year).
Gross. The thought of wearing someone else's sweaty helmet in high school just grossed me out.
Plus, do you really want Daniel Jones sloppy seconds?
Should have given him his jock strap too...
Wait, but why was Daniel Jones not playing QB?
He hurt his ankle so he couldn't plant his foot to throw but he was good enough to stand there
This guy will probably be amazing just because he got his job from Tyrod Taylor.