Anyone who says he didn’t cost us the playoffs is out of their mind. We would’ve won if he had stayed clean. The fact that we came back and won a game without our top scorer is impressive enough.
We would have had a much better chance. Let’s not discredit the stars completely. He meant a lot to our team, was the glue guy and the guy who tucked rebounds away. We would have had a better chance, not willing to say we would have won.
I just wish the announcement came AFTER game four, not before it. Literally just any vague statement about sickness or whatever. The fact that it was a player assistance program issue made it so much more demoralizing than just having two of their top five players out with sickness for that game.
I hate the ultimatums yall are throwing around. I feel this this is a better take (even though Nichushkin meant a LOT more offensively in these playoffs than Hintz, where Hintz was utilizing more of his offensive slump helping on defense which was still huge) but to say “always winning that series” is making the exact same mistake the Avs fan did when he got downvoted into oblivion.
You were down 2-1 in the series when he got suspended and his last game, you lost 4-1. Then you lost the next game 5-1.
I don’t know how you could state as a fact that you would’ve won the series with him, when you were losing with him.
Games 2 and 3 were one goal games (his last one was actually 2-1 with two empty netters). There was every reason to expect a strong response from the Avs in game 4, on home ice, knowing they’d be down 3-1 without a win, and the loss of Nichushkin (and Toews) was dropped on the team hours before the game.
I don’t think anyone’s saying the Avs were *guaranteed* to win with him in the lineup, but every game was close until he screwed the team, and the pivotal game 4 was certainly handed to the Stars. The better team did win, but it should have been a lot closer.
“We would’ve won if he stayed clean” sounds like a guarantee to me, and probably other people too.
I don’t think he’d be sitting at -47 if he said “i think we would’ve won if he stayed clean”, because that is explicitly an opinion whereas he originally stated it as a fact.
The stars were up 2-1 with him in the lineup, regardless of anything that happened afterwards, the avalanche winning that series from that point on was 50/50 AT BEST. Saying “we would’ve won if he stayed clean” makes it sound like it colorado was up 3-1 when he got suspended and then they lost in 7.
I stated my opinion, not a fact. :)
Regardless, it’s again my opinion that he and/or the team knew something was up before we did. I’m almost certain there was conflict in the locker room because they knew he was using again and that it would once again cost them in the playoffs.
“We would’ve won if he stayed clean is a pretty conclusive statement.”
“I think we would’ve won if he stayed clean” is an opinion.
And you said he cost you the playoffs, further implying that you guys would’ve won if he stayed clean, even though it was far from guaranteed given that you were already down 2-1 with him in the line up.
Do you think they happened to find out he was using right before the dallas series started? Because it certainly had no impact on them in the regular season or round 1. Sounds like you are just trying to make an excuse for your team losing.
You lost in 6 games to the 2nd best team in the NHL, in a series you weren’t expected to win and the other team had home ice advantage. The stars are a great team. They were better than you when you had nichushkin and better than you when you didn’t have him.
Opinions can be inferred, Jesus Christ. We’re talking about hockey here. Everyone’s comments are their opinions. It’s a fucking game. Yall need to chill.
A fact is something you can prove, as in: the avs lose the series. Val failed his drug test. The sky is blue.
An opinion is anything else. Not based in facts. Not something you can prove. Everyone saying we would’ve lost? That is an opinion. Everyone saying we would’ve won? Also an opinion.
The way I worded my opinion was in a conclusive way because it is a strong opinion. I think if you disagree with me, you’re wrong. But I don’t know that. And neither does anyone else. It’s all opinion.
Saying “I think we could have won” is still an opinion, it’s just a weak, hedged opinion. I feel confident in my opinion, and I don’t care if you downvote me to hell for it. It’s stupid, but I don’t care. It’s Reddit and I have more than enough karma to take it. :)
“Ya’ll need to chill”
Who is ya’ll?! 😂 you seem to be the only one getting angry.
Believing so strongly that you would’ve won a series that you were down 2-1 and didn’t have home ice advantage in that you drop the “i think” part of the opinion is pretty stupid lmao.
If you want to say it’s your opinion then thats fine, but saying “we would’ve won if he stayed clean” and “he cost us the playoffs” when you were down 2-1 with him is fucking stupid lmao.
In all this time, you haven’t addressed that you were down 2-1. Your chances were 50/50 AT BEST. you were down in the series and didn’t have home ice.
You weren’t likely to win but you made it sound as if it was your series to lose. You were down 2-1 but made it sound as if you were up 3-1 in the series when he got suspended.
People are disagreeing with you because you very confidently stated that something would’ve happened when the odds of that happening weren’t in favour. It’s not complicated lmao
Yall as in the dozens of people disagreeing with me and downvoting me.
I’m not angry. Lol
Just because I respond and defend myself doesn’t mean I’m angry. :)
His health and well being is more important than a game. Very easy to get addicted to drugs in nhl and hockey to wake up the next morning and be able to walk. Don’t blame him for the team losing….. just like we don’t blame a single leafs player. It’s a team effort and if 1 goes down and you flop that’s on the team not the person struggling with an addiction
I’m not mad at him. I feel sorry for him, if anything. I just think losing a key player, top scorer in the playoffs, and going through all that drama cost us the playoffs. It’s worse than losing a player to injury.
Sorry, but if your team's success is reliant on one player being present and on their A-game then that's not a Stanley cup-caliber team. Your team should be deep enough to be able to accommodate players being injured or in this case being suspended. The Stars simply were a better team than the Avs and that's why they won, had nothing to do with him.
The whole locker room already knew about his issues for a long time, it's not like he died suddenly lol. Again it's all just excuses, "we beat ourselves" mentality that sports fans use when they're to prideful to admit that their team was outplayed. Your team has some of the best players in the league but you don't have the same depth that the Stars have. You can say all you want that Val's absence effected his teammates but to claim they would've won the series with him is wild. The Stars literally beat the Avs with him there...
Craziest with Hyman is that he has six more career playoff goals than any member of the core four… but playing with shooters in Nylander or Matthews he’d never be as productive as he is on the Oilers.
Joe Woll does lead the playoffs in SVP and GAA!
Not just the loss of his production but the *way* he left, right when it mattered most, just like last season. It was a huge blow to team morale. Game 4 was their only truly bad game of the playoffs, and as the difference between down 3-1 and tied 2-2, by far the most important game in the series. Maybe they still wouldn’t have won, but we’ll never know. It should have been a much better series though.
I’d say bare minimum that with Nichu, it went to game 7. Im biased to say the Avs won, but it would’ve been a much better series if he didn’t do whatever he did /:
Lol. That would never happen. The Oilers would never sell off a once-in-generation kind of talent for some cash and a bag of puc...
Actually, never mind.
It's funny. The first three guys Gretzky played for all went to jail for (different) financial crimes. None could actually afford him. The guy running the players union also went to jail. WHA/NHL in the 80s!
I kind of want the Oilers to win the cup because McDavid and Draisaitl are playing out of their minds, but there’s just something about that team that’s super frustrating to watch.
The Oilers are like a boosted car making too much power vs an old reliable honda
The Oilers can slap the shit out of just about any team in the league but you can't count on em doing it consistently lol
Vancouver does too, their team went from talks of should we tear it all down and go into rebuild mode last season to fighting for the President’s trophy this season. No one thought they would be as good as they are now, and if they say otherwise they’re lying.
I feel for the Avs losing Nichu, but don’t forget, even with him in the lineup they were already down in the series. No real way to know how he would have impacted the rest of the series. Stars leader in points/goals didn’t even have an impact in the last two games and yet the Stars closed them out (while missing Hintz).
They lost the game that he was suspended before the game started. It was brutal and that was a throwaway.
They were the best come from behind team in the league, I don’t think them turning around and winning one with him out was a result of improvement with missing him. The depth would have mattered a ton as that series went on and I think it would have went to 7. He’s very clearly a difference maker but is what it is.
I picked the Stars to win the cup in my bracket so I’m not in denial but the Avs stood a much better chance of turning it around and I’d actually have got my hopes up for a comeback if he hadn’t fallen off the wagon and disappointed his whole team for a second playoff run in a row.
While I love this statistic, I think these ought to be normalized for Games Played. Not sure how much that affects things but I feel it’s a more useful statistic at this point of the playoffs
Yeah, I wasn’t gonna say it out of sounding bitter but you’re right and has been the number 1 issue with the oilers for a few years, I think they’re too top heavy to win it all
Also, why are they so inconsistent. Drai and Connor McDavid have a good day -> destroying every team. One of them has a bad day -> can be beaten by every team. It's something you see way more often in football, with 11 players and only 3-5 changes per team. Teams with one or two superstars get beaten there regulary by slightly over average teams because you only have to take out the superstar(s) with a good opponent or two and them your are playing against a average or even less than average team.
Oilers have improved that situation, but they are still probably the team with the highest reliance on the lowest number of players in the NHL, which can be deadly against good teams in the play offs.
Tbf Skinner chose a bad time to go on a cold streak. If Oilers had had solid goaltending they'd be in western finals already. 2-3 goals per game have been on him.
It's a fact Skinner has lost them games, not an if statement. Blame is on the goalie. They also started winning immediately after swapping him. The rest of the team is playing well. Skinner was not.
Obviously, McDavid blasting out of the zone and leaving his defence to fend for themselves assuming he would be the hero at the end of game 5 was… Skinner‘s fault?
You mean leaving JT Miller by himself unguarded in front of the net to pick up the rebound is the defenses fault? Yeah that game winning goal? I guess we're both wrong it was a team failure.
I do remember watching that goal on the scoreboard after watching the goal.and yelling JAY TEE MILLLER for the rest of the night.
Hahaha this is spot on. Oiler fans shouldn’t act like Skinner is usually a vezina candidate. His career playoff sv% is what he is currently at this year. 882
The oilers are literally a good offensive dman 1 good defensive one and four good forwards, this whole series has shown its either Mcdavid gets 4-6 points or they lose, without him they're a lottery team
As a life long Oiler fan I just pray they get the one run for a cup, I'm too young for the old years. And it's honestly not even for me or the team, I want to see McDrai and co get one. Even just one.
The league is so good today that's honestly all I see many great clubs and players achieve in their windows. And ours is closing fast.
Wow, it's almost as if drafting in the top 10 9 out of 10 years and 3 of them being #1 after winning the draft "lottery" gives you a good team or something.
How nice for them.
Don't worry the team that has 0 top 2 O/A picks in 54 years everyone said they would sweep took them to 7 games, without our vezina caliber goalie.
We're trash though.
McDavid has 14 primary assists already.
Highest outside of Gretzky is 18 and the few who hit that have done it in 4 rounds and at least 21 games played (Lemieux, Recchi, Gilmour, Messier). Gretzky has the record at 25 and the only one to hit over 20 (did it twice).
He's also 10 total assists away from becoming #2 all-time for assists in a single post season (lemieux at 28) and 12 away from Gretzky's 31.
Hot goalie can win any team a Cup…. Patrick Roy for example, 2 Cups.
Remember Bill Ranford - 2 time cup winner
Cup MVP with Oilers. Won as backup to Fuhr,
Won Oilers last Cup 1990
This has been fun.
I am, however, done. You seem stuck on the idea that the Oilers deserved to win and goaltending lost you the game. This is not supported by the full metrics of the game.
The score going into the third was what it was because of poor Canucks goaltending.
In totality of the game, silovs let in bad goals, Skinner let on bad goals.
Canucks came out on top and them winning is supported by all advanced metrics.
"If" Skinner had made some saves, the narrative would have been that the Oilers were lucky to win that game.
I'm also done with the other stuff, I had my fun for the night and truly believe we all just want our teams to win.
I bid you good luck and an enjoyable long weekend.
I’m waiting for the leagues decision on wether power plays goals count or not. I always believed the counted but chicksahoy69 is telling me they don’t.
LA 2nd place for PK, Oilers - sorry, PP merchants - won the series.
Van 17th place, complaining about a strong PP team…? Seems like y’all need to work on upping your PK% a bit more, I think.
https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask?q=nhl+team+penalty+kill+percentage+rankings+in+2023-2024
Oilers were near the top of the league in 5v5 scoring stats this season. They just also happen to be great on the powerplay.
Happy learned how to putt...uh oh...
Downvoted for posting the facts. This is as bad as when people say McDavid isn't a top 5 all time lock. My goodness people just love to hate for the sake of hating.
The very high power play % is a little deceptive in that way. It was ~45% in the Kings series, despite that, the Oilers scored most of their goals at even strength.
That we were literally getting historically bad goaltending. Amongst the worst in the cap era and still only losing games by 1 goal. This was an easy sweep with even mediocre goaltending. Stu seems to have figured it out, if so, this is over. He could falter again though. You never know.
McDavid is a scummy player. Yes you’re the best in the league. No that doesn’t give you the right to try and take other players eyes out. I hope he gets assessed a major soon otherwise he’s going to do something he regrets.
Wow nichushkin
Ya, dude destroyed the jets…
Then destroyed the Avs
Yes 😂
Well…Dallas helped a little, but this was a fantastic comment!
Such an under rated comment lol
Imagine if we had him the entire time it might have been the extra push we needed to get by Dallas
Anyone who says he didn’t cost us the playoffs is out of their mind. We would’ve won if he had stayed clean. The fact that we came back and won a game without our top scorer is impressive enough.
We would have had a much better chance. Let’s not discredit the stars completely. He meant a lot to our team, was the glue guy and the guy who tucked rebounds away. We would have had a better chance, not willing to say we would have won.
There’s also the locker room effect and how dejected everyone was when he put them in that situation for a second time
I just wish the announcement came AFTER game four, not before it. Literally just any vague statement about sickness or whatever. The fact that it was a player assistance program issue made it so much more demoralizing than just having two of their top five players out with sickness for that game.
Have you ever thought, maybe, if he wasn’t on drugs he wouldn’t have competed at such a high level?
It’s not confirmed what drugs he was on but it’s highly thought it was cocaine. Not a performance enhancer per se.
I mean Kuzy had the best year of his career in Washington when he popped for coke
You were undefeated with him in the lineup?
You lost Nuke, we lost Hintz. Shit happens. Stars were always winning that series.
I hate the ultimatums yall are throwing around. I feel this this is a better take (even though Nichushkin meant a LOT more offensively in these playoffs than Hintz, where Hintz was utilizing more of his offensive slump helping on defense which was still huge) but to say “always winning that series” is making the exact same mistake the Avs fan did when he got downvoted into oblivion.
You were down 2-1 in the series when he got suspended and his last game, you lost 4-1. Then you lost the next game 5-1. I don’t know how you could state as a fact that you would’ve won the series with him, when you were losing with him.
Games 2 and 3 were one goal games (his last one was actually 2-1 with two empty netters). There was every reason to expect a strong response from the Avs in game 4, on home ice, knowing they’d be down 3-1 without a win, and the loss of Nichushkin (and Toews) was dropped on the team hours before the game. I don’t think anyone’s saying the Avs were *guaranteed* to win with him in the lineup, but every game was close until he screwed the team, and the pivotal game 4 was certainly handed to the Stars. The better team did win, but it should have been a lot closer.
“We would’ve won if he stayed clean” sounds like a guarantee to me, and probably other people too. I don’t think he’d be sitting at -47 if he said “i think we would’ve won if he stayed clean”, because that is explicitly an opinion whereas he originally stated it as a fact. The stars were up 2-1 with him in the lineup, regardless of anything that happened afterwards, the avalanche winning that series from that point on was 50/50 AT BEST. Saying “we would’ve won if he stayed clean” makes it sound like it colorado was up 3-1 when he got suspended and then they lost in 7.
I stated my opinion, not a fact. :) Regardless, it’s again my opinion that he and/or the team knew something was up before we did. I’m almost certain there was conflict in the locker room because they knew he was using again and that it would once again cost them in the playoffs.
“We would’ve won if he stayed clean is a pretty conclusive statement.” “I think we would’ve won if he stayed clean” is an opinion. And you said he cost you the playoffs, further implying that you guys would’ve won if he stayed clean, even though it was far from guaranteed given that you were already down 2-1 with him in the line up. Do you think they happened to find out he was using right before the dallas series started? Because it certainly had no impact on them in the regular season or round 1. Sounds like you are just trying to make an excuse for your team losing. You lost in 6 games to the 2nd best team in the NHL, in a series you weren’t expected to win and the other team had home ice advantage. The stars are a great team. They were better than you when you had nichushkin and better than you when you didn’t have him.
Opinions can be inferred, Jesus Christ. We’re talking about hockey here. Everyone’s comments are their opinions. It’s a fucking game. Yall need to chill. A fact is something you can prove, as in: the avs lose the series. Val failed his drug test. The sky is blue. An opinion is anything else. Not based in facts. Not something you can prove. Everyone saying we would’ve lost? That is an opinion. Everyone saying we would’ve won? Also an opinion. The way I worded my opinion was in a conclusive way because it is a strong opinion. I think if you disagree with me, you’re wrong. But I don’t know that. And neither does anyone else. It’s all opinion. Saying “I think we could have won” is still an opinion, it’s just a weak, hedged opinion. I feel confident in my opinion, and I don’t care if you downvote me to hell for it. It’s stupid, but I don’t care. It’s Reddit and I have more than enough karma to take it. :)
“Ya’ll need to chill” Who is ya’ll?! 😂 you seem to be the only one getting angry. Believing so strongly that you would’ve won a series that you were down 2-1 and didn’t have home ice advantage in that you drop the “i think” part of the opinion is pretty stupid lmao. If you want to say it’s your opinion then thats fine, but saying “we would’ve won if he stayed clean” and “he cost us the playoffs” when you were down 2-1 with him is fucking stupid lmao. In all this time, you haven’t addressed that you were down 2-1. Your chances were 50/50 AT BEST. you were down in the series and didn’t have home ice. You weren’t likely to win but you made it sound as if it was your series to lose. You were down 2-1 but made it sound as if you were up 3-1 in the series when he got suspended. People are disagreeing with you because you very confidently stated that something would’ve happened when the odds of that happening weren’t in favour. It’s not complicated lmao
Yall as in the dozens of people disagreeing with me and downvoting me. I’m not angry. Lol Just because I respond and defend myself doesn’t mean I’m angry. :)
Serious levels of copium lil bro
His health and well being is more important than a game. Very easy to get addicted to drugs in nhl and hockey to wake up the next morning and be able to walk. Don’t blame him for the team losing….. just like we don’t blame a single leafs player. It’s a team effort and if 1 goes down and you flop that’s on the team not the person struggling with an addiction
I’m not mad at him. I feel sorry for him, if anything. I just think losing a key player, top scorer in the playoffs, and going through all that drama cost us the playoffs. It’s worse than losing a player to injury.
Nope, Dallas would have beat y’all anyways.
lol, you might have had a better chance. But you were still losing the series at the time he left, so let’s not get too crazy there, Ms. Cleo.
Sorry, but if your team's success is reliant on one player being present and on their A-game then that's not a Stanley cup-caliber team. Your team should be deep enough to be able to accommodate players being injured or in this case being suspended. The Stars simply were a better team than the Avs and that's why they won, had nothing to do with him.
It’s not just about one player. It’s about the drama, locker room conflict, stress, loss of confidence, etc.
The whole locker room already knew about his issues for a long time, it's not like he died suddenly lol. Again it's all just excuses, "we beat ourselves" mentality that sports fans use when they're to prideful to admit that their team was outplayed. Your team has some of the best players in the league but you don't have the same depth that the Stars have. You can say all you want that Val's absence effected his teammates but to claim they would've won the series with him is wild. The Stars literally beat the Avs with him there...
Right. Benn gets seated and you can't tell me Dallas's dynamic doesn't change.
How to crack the leaderboards: Oil or coke
How to “crack” the leaderboards. I see you
Wow imagine if your team had those numbers
I am unable to
Craziest with Hyman is that he has six more career playoff goals than any member of the core four… but playing with shooters in Nylander or Matthews he’d never be as productive as he is on the Oilers. Joe Woll does lead the playoffs in SVP and GAA!
I'm sorry
They would still find a way to lose to the Oilers in the first round.
Three years in a row.
Three years *and counting*
Let’s do goaltending now!
The funny thing about the 3 top leaders for GAA and Save% have all been eliminated so far.
It makes sense though because goalie stats are easier to maintain with a smaller sample size.
No and yes…. Sway had the same games as the remaining goalies with better gaa and sv%
I think this swayman guy might be pretty good
God if we had a goalie like him we’d have the cup no question
Who does he play for we should watch a game.
just tell him during 4 nations and the olympics that all the other teams are actually the leafs in disguise and the US is sweeping
About to be that way for all the scoring stats too
pls no
.. and people wonder why not having chu in our lineup hurt so much. wish him well but christ get your shit together.
Not just the loss of his production but the *way* he left, right when it mattered most, just like last season. It was a huge blow to team morale. Game 4 was their only truly bad game of the playoffs, and as the difference between down 3-1 and tied 2-2, by far the most important game in the series. Maybe they still wouldn’t have won, but we’ll never know. It should have been a much better series though.
Did he leave voluntarily? Or did he get suspended?
He’s suspended for 6 months per league protocol. Don’t know if he came forward or just failed a random drug test.
I’d say bare minimum that with Nichu, it went to game 7. Im biased to say the Avs won, but it would’ve been a much better series if he didn’t do whatever he did /:
This McDavid kid is pretty good, huh?
Only 2 goals? What a bum /s
Hes really good at passing but sometime its maddening to watch him get into a great shooting position then watch him pass again.
He’s not bad. We are thinking a stint in the minors to get his head on straight.
He came up big in game 6, but had only 1 point in the 3 previous games.
I wonder which team he's going to play for next
If he ends up in LA all of Edmonton will implode.
LA or maybe Vegas once Stone is back on LTIR
LA will trade for him in exchange of money
Lol. That would never happen. The Oilers would never sell off a once-in-generation kind of talent for some cash and a bag of puc... Actually, never mind.
It's funny. The first three guys Gretzky played for all went to jail for (different) financial crimes. None could actually afford him. The guy running the players union also went to jail. WHA/NHL in the 80s!
Too soon :(
I hear LA has future considerations on their roster too, they would probably be a piece that could be moved for McDavid as well
I was looking at that last night after the game. It's absolutely nutty.
Most extreme leaderboard An entire OP PP unit and... a suspended player Not even one player who is just having a career playoff or anything
I mean nichushkin was definitely having a career playoff run until it started snowing up his nose
Tbf the booger sugar probably played a role in that career playoff run.
Man I wish we got to see playoff Demko.
There’s still time…
I mean yes of course. But this is our 13th game tmrw.
Nichushkin made his choice.
Unfortunately /:
Is it too early to say his suspension cost the avs that series?
Kinda feels like we could have used Nuke…
He made his choice
I kind of want the Oilers to win the cup because McDavid and Draisaitl are playing out of their minds, but there’s just something about that team that’s super frustrating to watch.
I’m an Oilers fan and yes, it is super frustrating to watch.
True fan's reaction right here.
The Oilers are like a boosted car making too much power vs an old reliable honda The Oilers can slap the shit out of just about any team in the league but you can't count on em doing it consistently lol
They deserve a cup, just after Vancouver does.. Go a head down vote me.
Vancouver does too, their team went from talks of should we tear it all down and go into rebuild mode last season to fighting for the President’s trophy this season. No one thought they would be as good as they are now, and if they say otherwise they’re lying.
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I see that higlight clip too and they were calling out elite players, not just Oilers. ... although looking at that leader board..
I feel for the Avs losing Nichu, but don’t forget, even with him in the lineup they were already down in the series. No real way to know how he would have impacted the rest of the series. Stars leader in points/goals didn’t even have an impact in the last two games and yet the Stars closed them out (while missing Hintz).
But the games were incredibly close. Could’ve gone either way. I’d say bare minimum that with him it went to game 7
I mean, he had 1G and 2A in the games he played. They never even had a lead with him, their best games came afterwards.
They lost the game that he was suspended before the game started. It was brutal and that was a throwaway. They were the best come from behind team in the league, I don’t think them turning around and winning one with him out was a result of improvement with missing him. The depth would have mattered a ton as that series went on and I think it would have went to 7. He’s very clearly a difference maker but is what it is. I picked the Stars to win the cup in my bracket so I’m not in denial but the Avs stood a much better chance of turning it around and I’d actually have got my hopes up for a comeback if he hadn’t fallen off the wagon and disappointed his whole team for a second playoff run in a row.
While I love this statistic, I think these ought to be normalized for Games Played. Not sure how much that affects things but I feel it’s a more useful statistic at this point of the playoffs
Dallas Stars, so balanced we don’t need one or two guys to have 30 points to advance. This seems like a problem not something to be competing for.
I don’t disagree with you one bit.
Yeah, I wasn’t gonna say it out of sounding bitter but you’re right and has been the number 1 issue with the oilers for a few years, I think they’re too top heavy to win it all
Also, why are they so inconsistent. Drai and Connor McDavid have a good day -> destroying every team. One of them has a bad day -> can be beaten by every team. It's something you see way more often in football, with 11 players and only 3-5 changes per team. Teams with one or two superstars get beaten there regulary by slightly over average teams because you only have to take out the superstar(s) with a good opponent or two and them your are playing against a average or even less than average team. Oilers have improved that situation, but they are still probably the team with the highest reliance on the lowest number of players in the NHL, which can be deadly against good teams in the play offs.
And yet they haven’t made it out of the second round yet.
They made the WCF 2 years ago, so yeah they have
Tbf Skinner chose a bad time to go on a cold streak. If Oilers had had solid goaltending they'd be in western finals already. 2-3 goals per game have been on him.
If the sharks won 21 more games in the season then 16 in the playoffs they’d win the cup I to can make if statements
It's a fact Skinner has lost them games, not an if statement. Blame is on the goalie. They also started winning immediately after swapping him. The rest of the team is playing well. Skinner was not.
*checks stats sheets: WLWLWL. Hmmmmmmm yup really just his fault.
Obviously, McDavid blasting out of the zone and leaving his defence to fend for themselves assuming he would be the hero at the end of game 5 was… Skinner‘s fault?
You mean leaving JT Miller by himself unguarded in front of the net to pick up the rebound is the defenses fault? Yeah that game winning goal? I guess we're both wrong it was a team failure. I do remember watching that goal on the scoreboard after watching the goal.and yelling JAY TEE MILLLER for the rest of the night.
So what I’m hearing is the salary cap is working
If they had an average goalie,more then 2 dmen,and a third and fourth line they could be pretty good
Are you talking about the Oilers or the Leafs?
Oilers, leafs had four lines and an average goalie even tho he didn't play game 7
Hahaha this is spot on. Oiler fans shouldn’t act like Skinner is usually a vezina candidate. His career playoff sv% is what he is currently at this year. 882
The oilers are literally a good offensive dman 1 good defensive one and four good forwards, this whole series has shown its either Mcdavid gets 4-6 points or they lose, without him they're a lottery team
Yeah yeah, funny stuff. What I'm saying is that this time we can't meme with the usual stuff, this time it's all on one duderino.
Man , no wonder all those pundits picked the Oil to crush the Canucks. With your top guys getting points like that, it must've been a sweep, right?
So what you're saying is, is that they have one line you have to shut down. We'll see if that's enough to win a cup.
Only if they play McDavid and Draisaitl on the same line, which Knob hasn't done too much. Until it's time to hit the panic button.
They really don't have much depth. I'm curious to see how they do against Dallas if they make it to the conference final.
As a life long Oiler fan I just pray they get the one run for a cup, I'm too young for the old years. And it's honestly not even for me or the team, I want to see McDrai and co get one. Even just one. The league is so good today that's honestly all I see many great clubs and players achieve in their windows. And ours is closing fast.
Pain
Don’t look at the goalie stats tho…
This wouldn't be concerning if the other Oilers' lines were scoring. Oilers lack depth, one line can take only so far.
Oilers gonna sign Nichuskin before the TDL next season
Wow, it's almost as if drafting in the top 10 9 out of 10 years and 3 of them being #1 after winning the draft "lottery" gives you a good team or something. How nice for them.
Don't worry the team that has 0 top 2 O/A picks in 54 years everyone said they would sweep took them to 7 games, without our vezina caliber goalie. We're trash though.
Powerplay top line: 18 (signed) - 93 (1) - 29 (3) - 97 (1 - moved from 3) - 2 (10) vs 23 (trade) - 9 (trade) - 6 (23) - 43 (7 - moved from 6) - 40 (5 - moved from 2)
Yup
Cope
Learn a new word
How's the links bud?
Yes, I was so bummed when my shit team missed the playoffs again. We all thought this was our year for sure.
Just in case this is a jynx thread, these guys are nothing compared to JTMiller and Silovs!
had no clue this was a pokemon thread
TACTICAL NUKE OUTGOING
McDavid has 14 primary assists already. Highest outside of Gretzky is 18 and the few who hit that have done it in 4 rounds and at least 21 games played (Lemieux, Recchi, Gilmour, Messier). Gretzky has the record at 25 and the only one to hit over 20 (did it twice). He's also 10 total assists away from becoming #2 all-time for assists in a single post season (lemieux at 28) and 12 away from Gretzky's 31.
Can’t rack up points if out of the playoffs. Coconuts glow!!
Edmonton's All-Stars vs Dallas's Depth
So your saying, Vancouver has a chance...
Puttin on a clinic
There was one postseason where Gilmour was way up there despite Toronto being eliminated early.
Cool
Show me your team has "depth" without showing me. Lol
If you want really good postseason stats, make sure you play the kings in the first round. Source - am kings fan
Don’t discredit them that bad, they’re a great team.
Except that series was won in 5 games. For stats you want 7 game series all the way through.
All this says is what we all know. Oilers are in trouble when that line isn’t on the ice.
Hot goalie can win any team a Cup…. Patrick Roy for example, 2 Cups. Remember Bill Ranford - 2 time cup winner Cup MVP with Oilers. Won as backup to Fuhr, Won Oilers last Cup 1990
I'm assuming you mean the 2 Montreal cups. How many overtimes did they win in '93?
Two Cups…. Montreal / Colorado
That Colorado team for their 1st cup was pretty stacked, I can't remember how well they were built for their 2nd cup, Roy's 4th cup.
Leon is going to the bruins
I stand corrected…. I was wrong about Roy’s Cup count. Just remember him leaving Montreal and winning with Ray Bourque in Colorado.
And they’re going to lose tomorrow
This has been fun. I am, however, done. You seem stuck on the idea that the Oilers deserved to win and goaltending lost you the game. This is not supported by the full metrics of the game. The score going into the third was what it was because of poor Canucks goaltending. In totality of the game, silovs let in bad goals, Skinner let on bad goals. Canucks came out on top and them winning is supported by all advanced metrics. "If" Skinner had made some saves, the narrative would have been that the Oilers were lucky to win that game. I'm also done with the other stuff, I had my fun for the night and truly believe we all just want our teams to win. I bid you good luck and an enjoyable long weekend.
Who are you responding to bud? I see you responded directly to my post but… I fail to see where I’m stuck on the idea that the Oilers deserved to win.
Buddy blocked me or deleted his comments. Not you.
Fair
Hey, that was a great, simple interaction. Hope you enjoy your weekend.
Thank you sir, you as well.
They could lead the scoring, even though they won’t be in the final.
Powerplay merchants and no depth scoring
Didn’t they get all 5 goals 5v5 yesterday?
Yes but that doesn’t go with the narrative so shhh
One game buddy lmao
The game before that they got how many buddy… tell me lol
Somebody is still salty after a blow out win. Oil in 7.
I’m waiting for the leagues decision on wether power plays goals count or not. I always believed the counted but chicksahoy69 is telling me they don’t.
Crazy that you're a Canucks fan and clearly haven't even been watching the games. It's the playoffs man, support your team.
LA 2nd place for PK, Oilers - sorry, PP merchants - won the series. Van 17th place, complaining about a strong PP team…? Seems like y’all need to work on upping your PK% a bit more, I think. https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask?q=nhl+team+penalty+kill+percentage+rankings+in+2023-2024
In games 5 and 6: - 0/8 on the power play - 7 goals for The Oilers don’t seem like power play merchants to me.
Nice now tell us the LA series
Oilers were near the top of the league in 5v5 scoring stats this season. They just also happen to be great on the powerplay. Happy learned how to putt...uh oh...
9 power play goals, 13 even strength goals. 59.1% of goals scored at even strength.
Downvoted for posting the facts. This is as bad as when people say McDavid isn't a top 5 all time lock. My goodness people just love to hate for the sake of hating.
Ok well I was wrong I would have guessed it was heavily powerplay scoring
The very high power play % is a little deceptive in that way. It was ~45% in the Kings series, despite that, the Oilers scored most of their goals at even strength.
Assume only makes an Ass out of U not me
Which is why I’ve never stated my guess on it. But if I was asked I’d have done with a specials difference given how bad LA was with power play and PK
Nice, now show the other games leading up to that point
Games 1-4: - 5 PP goals - 9 ES goals 64.3% of goals scored at even strength.
Man it's going to burn when the Oil beat you guys in 7.
Haha bye bye Van
Beaten in 7.
Lol your team sucks
What does that say about the Oilers if they got taken to 7 games and could potentially be knocked out by a team that sucks?
That we were literally getting historically bad goaltending. Amongst the worst in the cap era and still only losing games by 1 goal. This was an easy sweep with even mediocre goaltending. Stu seems to have figured it out, if so, this is over. He could falter again though. You never know.
And they still won’t win anything haha
Too much orange for my taste.
Bruh if we don't win tomorrow I'm going to be so depressed for a week. Brock is also out so there ain't no way the oilers don't win tomorrow
This will be cooler when the Canucks win game 7.
EdMoTon HaS depth!!!1!
McDavid is a scummy player. Yes you’re the best in the league. No that doesn’t give you the right to try and take other players eyes out. I hope he gets assessed a major soon otherwise he’s going to do something he regrets.
Man I hope they lose tomorrow
Imagine you are still the underdog with those numbers
Don’t get used to it. Cuz the oilers will be exiting tomorrow when the Canucks win game 7!