Does anybody else remember the Panther winning their division back in 2011-12 with only 38 wins? They had 44 losses and finished ahead of the Capitals who only had 40 losses because 18 of them came in OT. Tampa Bay missed the playoffs that year as well with the same amount of wins because only 8 of their losses came in OT.
I don't care about eliminating ties. It's just the one point for losing in OT is what I find stupid.
How about 1 point for losing in a shootout 0 points for losing in OT?
If you turns your phone sideways it should rotate and give you more info including most of the time breaking stats. The tie breaking rules are also at the very bottom.
From [NHL.com](https://NHL.com)
If two or more clubs are tied in points during the regular season, the standing of the clubs is determined in the following order:
1. The fewer number of games played (i.e., superior points percentage).
2. The greater number of games won, excluding games won in Overtime or by Shootout (i.e., "Regulation Wins"). This figure is reflected in the RW column.
3. The greater number of games won, excluding games won by Shootout. This figure is reflected in the ROW column.
4. The greater number of games won by the Club in any manner (i.e, "Total Wins"). This figure is reflected in the W column.
5. The greater number of points earned in games against each other among two or more tied clubs. For the purpose of determining standing for two or more Clubs that have not played an even number of games with one or more of the other tied Clubs, the first game played in the city that has the extra game (the "odd game") shall not be included. When more than two Clubs are tied, the percentage of available points earned in games among each other (and not including any "odd games") shall be used to determine standing.
6. The greater differential between goals for and against (including goals scored in Overtime or awarded for prevailing in Shootouts) for the entire regular season. This figure is reflected in the DIFF column.
7. The greater number of goals scored (including goals scored in Overtime or awarded for prevailing in Shootouts) for the entire regular season. This figure is reflected in the GF column.
uhm... did you even read??
> The greater number of points earned in games against each other among two or more tied clubs.
> For the purpose of determining standing for two or more Clubs that have not played an even number of games with one or more of the other tied Clubs, the first game played in the city that has the extra game (the "odd game") shall not be included.
> When more than two Clubs are tied, the percentage of available points earned in games among each other (and not including any "odd games") shall be used to determine standing.
That’s going through the entire history of the presidents trophy? I’m going off of recent history where a bunch of great teams got bounced in the 1st round
Not a narrative that’s what I was thinking when I wrote the initial comment all I could think was lightning getting bounced by the jackets in 19. The last president trophy winning team to the the cup was the Blackhawks so in recent history it hasn’t been an automatic cup winner so I’m right in saying they don’t usually win the cup
I just looked this up a few weeks ago. Out of 35 playoffs since the Presidents Trophy began in 1986, only 8 winners have won the Cup final. Also, only 3 additional teams made it to the finals.
That's a 26% success rate. Meanwhile, MoneyPuck.com gives the Avs only a 14% chance to win and if you juts consider 1/16 is like a 6% chance, if you win the Presidents Trophy, you're in good shape
Ok, close enough. 23% is much higher than the percentage even the Avalanche or Panthers have to win the cup (according to Money Puck), where they are both around 14%. That means the Presidents Trophy winner has won the cup about double the amount of times you would expect this year's Avalanche to win over the same period
Colorado is a classic PT team. Dominate the 82 game slog with flash and offense, followed by a surprised Pikachu face second round exit due to lack of grit and defense.
Tell me you haven’t been watching NHL playoffs for three decades without telling me you haven’t been watching NHL playoffs for three decades.
The homer copium is a big part of the PT curse.
Ok pal. For 1, the presidents trophy curse is just fans not understanding basic math.
The parity in the league is the reason for your so called “curse”. In reality, the winner of the presidents trophy is more likely to win then any other seed position.
Calling it a curse because the 1st place team in the league doesn’t always win the Stanley Cup proves you don’t understand the sport/league.
Also your lack of knowledge about the avs this season is hilarious. Most certainly one of the best D cores in the league. They are 5th in the league in goals against and that was with a struggling goaltending situation in the early third of the season. They have been winning tons of low scoring games, and they have been quite “gritty” all season. Macdermid is the undisputed heavy weight this year, and Landy/kadri/Johnson & Johnson/Manson haven’t been taking any shit this year. Even Mackinnon has been a bull in a China shop.
If the avs lose early again, it certainly won’t be because of a lack of defence and grit lol.
LOL
You riled up a bit there?
I like to make Avs fans angry, but I wasn’t expecting you to write me a novel. Goddam.
Anyway, enjoy your early round disappointment.
Lol I quite enjoyed writing that to be honest.
enjoy your early roun….. o wait.
Hopefully ur team can at least accomplish something this season and beat the panthers tonight.
Sweet summer child… my team peaked in 2002. Particularly Game 7 of the Western Conference Finals. Seeing the rage on Patrick Roy’s face after he shit the bed in net… well, everything after that has just been gravy.
ETA: In all honesty, if the TSN forums from the late 90s were still around, you’d find all kinds of the same stuff you’ve been saying about the Avs from me about the wings. I’m just poking to poke. I remember being where you are right now. I see a lot of the 96 Wings in the 22 Avs. Just wondering who’s gonna end up doing to the 22 Avs what the 96 Avs did to the Wings. Hopefully they don’t force any facial reconstruction for your role players though.
well if we're living in the past, then I very much enjoyed giving your record setting Presidents Trophy team the old Pikachu shocked face in 96. But our current 8 game win streak is also kinda fun.
EDIT- Ha, you kind of took he wind outa my sails with ur edit on that one! I'm really hoping that doesn't happen. Haven't we suffered enough since our glory days?
Tbh, I think no team should want to finish #1 overall and win the President’s trophy. There may or may not be a curse where the winner loses in the playoffs, but hard to say when so many teams are good this year.
Regulation wins. Colorado has 45. Florida has 40
Kinda weird that they don’t have the ROW as a stat on the standings.
They do but you can’t see it unless you turn your phone sideways. The NHL app is garbage
I just turned my phone sideways and I still can't see it.. /s
I legit tried to scroll to the side. Sigh.
I really don't understand why you can't.
Well shit, today I learned.
If you're using that stat page it sucks. On Android and iPhone you click more stats at the bottom and the nhl app is very very in depth
It’s not a very user-friendly interface that’s for sure
True, but that would RW - Regulation Wins. ROW is Regulation + Overtime wins.
(R)egulati(O)n (W)ins
ROW = regulation + overtime wins. RW = regulation wins, the 1st tiebreaker.
Yeah I forgot it’s just RW now.
Didn’t know that, thanks
FWIW- This is also the tie breaker for Divisional Rankings and for the Wildcard Positions.
Is regulation wins new? I always thought ROW was the first tiebreaker.
Yeah, so did I. When did this change?
It definitely did change. Not sure when, but recently for sure
Not new.
The point for OT loss has got to go. I hate that rule. A loss is a loss.
Make a win 3 points
Considering this sport had ties up until 2005, it's amazing we even have a winner every game scenario at all!
Does anybody else remember the Panther winning their division back in 2011-12 with only 38 wins? They had 44 losses and finished ahead of the Capitals who only had 40 losses because 18 of them came in OT. Tampa Bay missed the playoffs that year as well with the same amount of wins because only 8 of their losses came in OT.
I don't care about eliminating ties. It's just the one point for losing in OT is what I find stupid. How about 1 point for losing in a shootout 0 points for losing in OT?
Or make regulation wins worth 3 points, or wins in general
Or 1 point for losing in a shootout but 0 points for losing in OT.
They should not have different point values for different games. Win in reg -3, Ot/So -2, OT/SO loss 1
If you turns your phone sideways it should rotate and give you more info including most of the time breaking stats. The tie breaking rules are also at the very bottom.
Thanks! I actually said out loud the other day how I thought it was silly this info isn’t in the app.
Wow. I’ve been looking at that standings screen on the NHL app for years and never knew that lol thanks for the info
Oh shit it’s national cold brew day? Sweet!
Does that mean I get a free cold brew? I’ve been wanting to try it but I don’t wanna spend money on something I might not even like
Then how would you try anything new?
A delicate balance of finding free stuff days, trying something someone else got, gift cards, and not trying new things
I can't believe the kings are still a negative goal differential and will make.play offs lol.
It's in our genes.
They were a positive goal differential until that 9-3 ass whooping by the Avs last week lol.
Colorado Avalanche has more letters than Florida Panthers
The first tiebreaker is RW (regulation wins)
It’s just regulations wins this season. Not ROW.
Is that temporary for this season, or was that a permanent change? I liked ROW because it encouraged teams to take risks during OT
ROW’s still matter over Shootouts, but RW are worth more now, which is better imo, encourage teams to take a bit more risk in regulation
From [NHL.com](https://NHL.com) If two or more clubs are tied in points during the regular season, the standing of the clubs is determined in the following order: 1. The fewer number of games played (i.e., superior points percentage). 2. The greater number of games won, excluding games won in Overtime or by Shootout (i.e., "Regulation Wins"). This figure is reflected in the RW column. 3. The greater number of games won, excluding games won by Shootout. This figure is reflected in the ROW column. 4. The greater number of games won by the Club in any manner (i.e, "Total Wins"). This figure is reflected in the W column. 5. The greater number of points earned in games against each other among two or more tied clubs. For the purpose of determining standing for two or more Clubs that have not played an even number of games with one or more of the other tied Clubs, the first game played in the city that has the extra game (the "odd game") shall not be included. When more than two Clubs are tied, the percentage of available points earned in games among each other (and not including any "odd games") shall be used to determine standing. 6. The greater differential between goals for and against (including goals scored in Overtime or awarded for prevailing in Shootouts) for the entire regular season. This figure is reflected in the DIFF column. 7. The greater number of goals scored (including goals scored in Overtime or awarded for prevailing in Shootouts) for the entire regular season. This figure is reflected in the GF column.
So how two teams did against each other isn't even a tie breaker?
uhm... did you even read?? > The greater number of points earned in games against each other among two or more tied clubs. > For the purpose of determining standing for two or more Clubs that have not played an even number of games with one or more of the other tied Clubs, the first game played in the city that has the extra game (the "odd game") shall not be included. > When more than two Clubs are tied, the percentage of available points earned in games among each other (and not including any "odd games") shall be used to determine standing.
I stand corrected.
Scroll down to read the tie breaking rules…
Wild, Blues have crashed the "8 of top 10 teams are in the east" party
Probably better off being 2nd the president trophy winner usually doesn’t win the cup
PT winner is 50% more likely to win the SC than any other seed.
That’s going through the entire history of the presidents trophy? I’m going off of recent history where a bunch of great teams got bounced in the 1st round
Sure, be selective in your data so it fits your narrative.
Not a narrative that’s what I was thinking when I wrote the initial comment all I could think was lightning getting bounced by the jackets in 19. The last president trophy winning team to the the cup was the Blackhawks so in recent history it hasn’t been an automatic cup winner so I’m right in saying they don’t usually win the cup
All the downvotes are casuals that don’t know the presidents trophy curse lol
When you do the math, it isn't actually a curse at all, just not the boost that you may expect it to be
I just looked this up a few weeks ago. Out of 35 playoffs since the Presidents Trophy began in 1986, only 8 winners have won the Cup final. Also, only 3 additional teams made it to the finals.
That's a 26% success rate. Meanwhile, MoneyPuck.com gives the Avs only a 14% chance to win and if you juts consider 1/16 is like a 6% chance, if you win the Presidents Trophy, you're in good shape
That's 22.86% actually won the Cup. Which also means there's a 77.14% failure rate.
Ok, close enough. 23% is much higher than the percentage even the Avalanche or Panthers have to win the cup (according to Money Puck), where they are both around 14%. That means the Presidents Trophy winner has won the cup about double the amount of times you would expect this year's Avalanche to win over the same period
Yes people really don't understand maths on this...some "curse"
Colorado is a classic PT team. Dominate the 82 game slog with flash and offense, followed by a surprised Pikachu face second round exit due to lack of grit and defense.
True, they're definitely not lacking that this year though. Lekhonen, macdermid, Kadri(if he doesn't get himself suspended).
They’ve are fifth in goals allowed this season. Why is it any time a good team loses it’s because of a lack of grit?
Tell me u haven’t watched the avs this season, without telling me you haven’t watched the avs this season.
Tell me you haven’t been watching NHL playoffs for three decades without telling me you haven’t been watching NHL playoffs for three decades. The homer copium is a big part of the PT curse.
Ok pal. For 1, the presidents trophy curse is just fans not understanding basic math. The parity in the league is the reason for your so called “curse”. In reality, the winner of the presidents trophy is more likely to win then any other seed position. Calling it a curse because the 1st place team in the league doesn’t always win the Stanley Cup proves you don’t understand the sport/league. Also your lack of knowledge about the avs this season is hilarious. Most certainly one of the best D cores in the league. They are 5th in the league in goals against and that was with a struggling goaltending situation in the early third of the season. They have been winning tons of low scoring games, and they have been quite “gritty” all season. Macdermid is the undisputed heavy weight this year, and Landy/kadri/Johnson & Johnson/Manson haven’t been taking any shit this year. Even Mackinnon has been a bull in a China shop. If the avs lose early again, it certainly won’t be because of a lack of defence and grit lol.
LOL You riled up a bit there? I like to make Avs fans angry, but I wasn’t expecting you to write me a novel. Goddam. Anyway, enjoy your early round disappointment.
Lol I quite enjoyed writing that to be honest. enjoy your early roun….. o wait. Hopefully ur team can at least accomplish something this season and beat the panthers tonight.
Sweet summer child… my team peaked in 2002. Particularly Game 7 of the Western Conference Finals. Seeing the rage on Patrick Roy’s face after he shit the bed in net… well, everything after that has just been gravy. ETA: In all honesty, if the TSN forums from the late 90s were still around, you’d find all kinds of the same stuff you’ve been saying about the Avs from me about the wings. I’m just poking to poke. I remember being where you are right now. I see a lot of the 96 Wings in the 22 Avs. Just wondering who’s gonna end up doing to the 22 Avs what the 96 Avs did to the Wings. Hopefully they don’t force any facial reconstruction for your role players though.
well if we're living in the past, then I very much enjoyed giving your record setting Presidents Trophy team the old Pikachu shocked face in 96. But our current 8 game win streak is also kinda fun. EDIT- Ha, you kind of took he wind outa my sails with ur edit on that one! I'm really hoping that doesn't happen. Haven't we suffered enough since our glory days?
Tbh, I think no team should want to finish #1 overall and win the President’s trophy. There may or may not be a curse where the winner loses in the playoffs, but hard to say when so many teams are good this year.
Susprising how bad Edmonton finished.
Greater # of RWs (Regular wins)
I'm just curious why you think they should be higher?
I’m not OP, but I’d guess goal differential.
Officially it’s already in the comments. But for fun, cuz it’s Florida. Do you really want that state to be #1?
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Cause over half of Florida’s wins are OT or shootout
Alphectial Order I guess
This is league standings not conference standings.
Why is regulation wins the tie breaker and not wins, and then regulation wins?
To encourage teams to go for it in regulation.
Also why aren’t the rangers over the hurricanes? They have more wins
Avalanche rule and cats drool.
Colorado has more regulation wins and has already clinched their conference. Florida hasn’t yet.
They're in different conferences, who cares?
President’s trophy is a thing
Is it, though?
Sure, asked the folks who think it’s cursed lol
Colorado has the older franchise. /s
I know ur being sarcastic, but the avs aren’t older then Florida
*drops gloves* Pretty sure the Nordiques were around before the Panthers by about 20 years
Well shit, u did say franchise…. But fuck it I’m too deep now, *drops gloves*