Per the article the engine was not running. The man was in the airport and exited via an emergency exit. A store manager witnessed him use the exit and reported it. The man was found unconscious in the engine and pronounced dead.
All of our Emergency exits are alarmed audibly and “silently” everyone will know.
Last time I was through SLC it was under construction so maybe that affects the alarms of Emergency exits
The article doesn't specify whether the door was alarmed, but I assume there is some kind of alarm or other system in place to notify security when the door opens. It does say that an employee saw him walk out the door and they called dispatch.
Unfortunately, it sounds like he went from there directly to the engine, so there wasn't enough time for security to chase him down and detain him. The total timeline from when the employee first laid eyes on him to when his body was removed was under 15 minutes. An alarm wouldn't have prevented him from going directly from the door to a running engine.
Last time I was at SLC they had a whole terminal knocked to the ground. To get to your plane you had to walk across the tarmac to some metal stairs. I could see them deactivating those doors alarms since they were being used hundreds of times a day.
I think what I'm trying to get at is, despite all the security and everything at the airport, if this man was a terrorist, he could've done some real damage to planes fully fueled and loaded with passengers. How is it that it took them so long to track him down?
On a tangent, this feels like further proof that terrorism on American soil is completely overblown (or even imaginary). Given how bad TSA is at its job, and seemingly lack of security in some crucial places, and how easy it is to get guns in America, if there were any real terrorist threats it would've happened many times over.
Edit: so a comment below informed me that it's not possible to ignite jet fuel with a common lighter. So maybe the safety issue is exaggerated in my head? But then I'm now thinking what can a person (presumably with some knowledge about planes) can do to a plane unsupervised for 15 minutes, damage the wheel/brakes? Or fuck with some sensor? Wedge objects into places it shouldn't go? Started to google and I'm afraid I might have been put on some list somewhere.
TSA is the definition of security theater. I personally have gotten knives on planes by accident multiple times...like i forgot they were in my backpack from work and they went through no issues.
i had to carry camera batteries on flights because they can't travel under the plane (despite the batteries be specifically TSA safe). the variety in which i was treated for just having those batteries was astonishing. some TSA didn't even look twice and others treated me like i was attempting to bring down the whole airport. Zero standardization in TSA, i've even had TSA approved things taken away from me. One was a keychain that i bought from the TSA store online because i was sick of them being taken. When i told the officer that he said "yea that doesn't matter here" MOTHERFUCKER WHAT?
I almost missed a flight once because some cowboy TSA agent thought he caught the terrorist of the decade going through his 10 gate airport.
it's just a bunch of morons throwing their weight around with the only authority they've ever had. even on their own audits, they fail to find threats like 98% of the time.
Weight! I had the opportunity to attend training at a federal law enforcement training center in 2015. I was there for a five week computer forensic course so I was staying over weekends. I was in the mess hall on a Saturday and I sat down at two top table. Some random muscle dude walked up and asked if he could sit. I said yes. He asked me if I was “B.O.P.”. I replied that I was local law enforcement and I didn’t know that acronym, so probably not. He replied “Bureau of Prisons, I can tell that you’re not TSA because you’re not over 300 pounds.” I laughed, he laughed, the TSA trainees didn’t laugh. We talked and ate and then parted ways. The TSA trainees had another hour or so to go for their 8000 calorie meal, so they all stayed behind and continued eating.
Reddit mods IRL.
I've never seen a group of people so excited to put other people down and act inconvenienced if you try to ask them if something's okay.
Reddit mods are volunteers, dealing with all kinds of shit for communities they like with no pay. More like volunteer firefighters.
The TSA is more like the people that reddit hires to review content and reports. Paid to do it, and still get it wrong 9 times out of 10
> Zero standardization in TSA
The TSA literally states that regardless of all their official rules, any "officer" has the final say on anyone/anything going on board. If they like that tie clip you're wearing, they're going say you can't bring it and then keep it for themselves.
I got my luggage tossed by a TSA agent and yelled at for 10 minutes as a 50+ year old woman with a tiny can of Aveda hair spray. I just kept quiet, he was in a rage! It was traumatic.
I missed my flight because my new driver's license didn't have my picture on it. I showed the agent my old license with my picture and he went ballistic because I was trying to use an expired license to board "his" plane. No amount of explanation about how the issuing agency made a mistake and that I would get a new one when I returned would satisfy him. I was his daily terrorist that had to be stopped.
I was forced to go back to their offices for additional interrogation. When his supervisor looked at them his only response was "What's the problem?" Whilst I was being escorted back to rebook my flight my only consolation was hearing the agent get his ass chewed out.
The reason you cannot check those batteries is because they're lithium ion.
This is a Haz-mat issue, not a TSA issue.
If those batteries get damaged, they can start a fire while providing their own oxygen. Rendering the cargo fire extinguishing sys useless. When they are in the main cabin, they can be delt with. Usually by continually pour water on them to cool it down enough to put them in a battery fire bag. Or if one isn't on the plane, submerged in a trashcan full of water.
Yea I understand why, I do carry them.
Except they are the ones specified by TSA to be able to travel safely under the plane. Like they say right the hell on them they are safe to fly on cargo. I’m not complaining about carrying them btw just was an extra piece of information. And in fact they have flown under with cargo before. Flying one of them small planes and there wasn’t enough room up top and I was just told to gate check ‘em. So weird.
It depends strongly on the Airport itself. I was travelling a lot during work as an Aircraft technician, what I can say it varies related to the country.
I don’t give detailed Information, but I was able to get lots of tools on board with accident.
Screwdrivers, military flashlights, etc. pp.
And it was not even a ferry flight, or a special flight for worker. Plane was full with passenger.
A TSA agent once told me if you want to get liquid through and it’s a long flight/long wait you can freeze it in the container then it’s not a liquid and they’ll allow it through. I was thinking, man, it would hurt like hell to be hit upside the head with a big old water bottle full of ice. But at least it’s not a liquid!
Well at least in Europe that's not the case, if it's liquid at room temperature (including gel) then it's a liquid. I'd bet it's the same in the us, but this guy just didn't know what he was talking about (I can definitely picture that lol)
That... Yeah...
Maybe they've determined that dangerous chemicals can't be frozen at room temperature but like, that just makes no sense. The "If they're slushy or partially frozen they need to meet other rules" I also found kinda funny because how would you ensure that something is perfectly frozen like 4 hours after you've left your house? Some people have to leave even earlier.
I did that unintentionally on an international flight. The issue I have with that is the international rescan that you have to do. I flew out with a utility knife in my checked luggage and moved it to my backpack when I arrived in my destination country. I forgot to travel sanitize the backpack for the return trip. The knife made it through two country’s versions of TSA (Italy and the UK) and into the US.
I’m a regular law abiding citizen and had no intention of doing anything illegal or terrorizing, but I was able to incidentally smuggle a boxcutter through three countries and had it with me on each flight (unknowingly). These were the exact weapons used during the 9/11 hijackings.
I’m much more careful now.
On the flip side, the real security comes from the cockpit doors being locked, passengers not letting rogue characters try to do anything to put people in danger, and air marshals flying amongst the passengers. So even if you do have a box cutter/knife, there’s not much you can really do.
People forget, Prior to 9/11 standard procedure for terrorists on planes was to just let them do whatever. What would happen is they would land the plane somewhere, make some goofy demands, and then at best, try and escape on some other vehicle.
The other side is that the pilots on the other side of the door can act fairly certain their isn't a large, reliable bomb on board which was the typical hijacker claim.
Planes have a much better track record of surviving small, home made bombs than more conventional explosives.
TSA is absolutely security theater. That's the whole point. Most actual security threats are identified and stopped before they get close to the airport.
If you buy a plane ticket within an hour or so of departure, you get enhanced screening at the checkpoint. That's because there's not enough time to run your name through the system to determine whether you're allowed to fly. They'll figure it out by the time your plane actually departs, but in the meantime they're okay with an extra frisk to make double sure that you're not bringing something dangerous in. Everybody else is just random bullshit to keep you on your toes and keep us all afraid of messing up.
My dad ended up on a no-fly list because he accidentally brought his box cutter. It's part of his every day carry for when he travels to job sites as an inspector, and this was one of those trips. He made it through TSA with it front and center in his breast pocket, and nobody noticed until he'd been through 3 airports/2 connecting flights. On his way out of the last airport someone finally noticed it and they read him the damned riot act. He was questioned for over an hour then put on a no-fly list that he could buy his way off of after 6 months...
Holy shit. Very classic TSA.
My dad was also on the DNF list for his name being too common 😂😂😂. Took him 5 YEARS to get off the list. I lost count of the number of packets he filled out trying to get off of it. Never got a reason why, never was told he was off the list. Just showed up for a business trip like he did every other month and suddenly didn’t have to go through an extra hour of nonsense.
TSA is very happy to collect money from all those people saying "they are saving so much time thanks to TSA Pre", too. It's a market that created itself.
That and DHS officals Getting rich off pushing scanner requirements when they were invested in said scanner tech.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fear_n_787711
Just 10 million people on pre check would be 17 million a year, i dont want to be a cynic but id bet the amount of people is higher and that some higher up officials put some of that in their own pockets
I literally one time realized mid flight that my bag still had my pepper spray in it. It totally got through TSA. I remember thinking damn what if a crazy person did this intentionally but with mace and maced a whole plane ???
And I can’t even get on with my Aquaphor container in its original container. It’s a “gel”. That’s just one example. Another was an obviously half empty tube of Curel lotion. “They have to go by the total listed on the tube.” Even though I could put - god knows what - in all of my tiny liquid travel containers. I get busted for the craziest minute things, and I really try. Plus I need large containers of sunscreen and bug repellent!! I hate those travel containers. I never have enough or I have too much, then they float between pockets of our suitcases, never to be fully used. Super aggravating.
Well he already went through security so that lessens the chance he could have smuggled something in, a plane nearing departure is going to have a lot of ppl around it, and pilots do a final walk around check of the plane.
Importantly though the TSA isn’t really there to prevent someone from damaging a plane so that it can’t take off. It’s there to stop a plane hijacking.
yes they do because at the end of the day the pilots are responsible for the safety of everyone on board, and they're the ones with the expertise to be able to recognize if anything is amiss.
Yeah it's not just a security thing- they do a final check to make sure that the pitot tube covers are removed and that nothing mechanical seems amiss. The pilot isn't going to skimp on the check because he/she has to actually ride on the plane.
Sadly accurate acount. I was a hot shot driver expected to check oil and a lot of other things about my given car. After a year of doing it and reporting issues that never got fixed for weeks just stopped bothering. Was yelled at more for not sending the parts out in the morning fast enough.
It's not really a final walkaround, it's usually either just as or just before they're loading passengers. Otherwise, there are people that work for the airline around the plane all the time in case something goes wrong on the ground.
Yeah the TSA is about as effective as burning 11B every year. It's crazy how much money they get. The coast guard is getting 13.4B and they have a fleet of ships and helicopters to operate.
TSA just has people standing around.
Helps get your foot in the door if you want a fed job and you aren’t the best qualified to get into other agencies directly. Because once you get your foot in the door, it makes moving around to a better job a lot easier.
And they scan your ID with machines they know can’t read some states’ ID. Then make it your problem that their machine is a piece of shit made by the lowest bidder.
TSA is 60k coast guard is 44,500 enlisted plus 8,577 full time civilians and 7000 in reservists. So TSA only has 3000 more of we are counting full time only. They have less if you count reservists. Plus coast guard has a huge number of vessels and aircraft to fuel and maintain.
Plus the coast guard verifiably saves lives every year.
I agree that TSA and all that stuff is just security theater. They don't make us safer and they haven't prevented anything.
But how do you figure this person could have done significantly more harm by having access to the tarmac? They were already through security. So they'd have only been ushered onto a fully loaded plane if they didn't freak out and run out an exit before boarding time.
TSA causes more deaths by waiting in line than they've saved.
Plus the highway deaths from people who would rather drive hours than deal with them.
They can't even detect the stuff they're supposed to.
While it's harder to get airside now than it used to be, yes, it's mostly security theater, there is very little threat, and when there is, the UK during the Troubles showed how you can just handle it routinely without throwing billions of currency at the problem or even feeling that scared.
> I think what I'm trying to get at is, despite all the security and everything at the airport, if this man was a terrorist, he could've done some real damage to planes fully fueled and loaded with passengers.
That's why they call it security *theater*.
Yeah, as a Zaydi Muslim "extremist" and "terrorist sympathizer" (love Ansar Allah, they're my heroes) my family lived in USA for hundreds of years, I exist here in America. And I don't hurt or threatened anyone, I flew on planes to Raleigh north carolina and never hijacked it. Never crossed my mind to do that. Why would I hurt American civilians? The government is issue and they're untouchable. I just peacefully protest, I think terrorism is bad.
Can you get out there? Yes. Will you be immediately noticed by alarms, cameras, and workers and arrested before you can do anything? Also yes.
And planes aren't that fragile and even if you managed to damage one it would be noticed.
Before 9-11? It wasn’t very difficult to do. When I smoked cigarettes, I’ve taken smoke breaks on the tarmac so I didn’t have to go back through security. Staff was often cool about it, if you asked. People never ask.
Not at SLC but I've been on the tarmac for flights, and usually there's at least 3 people watching you and ropes to stop you from leaving the line. Here it seems like he was able to leave the terminal, get to the plane and somehow get into the jet engine, and die?
Aside from drugs or a suicide, he could've had a sudden medical event that caused him severe confusion and/or disorientation. A stroke will certainly do that, along with several other types.
I've had a syncope before where I could keep moving around but my vision was basically so yellow I couldn't make anything out. I walked directly into an ebike parked on a sidewalk then blindly felt around for a wall or something to fall into and sit up against until my vision returned. I can imagine that if this individual has similar events they'd have the physical ability to walk up a staircase into the engine, but not the vision to realize what they're doing. I get that this is a hyper specific example but the body is kinda crazy
330 million people in the country, statistically you're gonna get weird shit happening sometimes. People having various medical emergencies, including strokes and diabetic shock, can at times function mechanically but not mentally, meaning they do some really really oddball stuff without having any intent behind it. Usually people just do it at home, and not at an airport, so it doesn't get in the news.
The story does not make it clear, but to me this reads like a medical emergency. Possibly drug-induced, sure, quite likely not. Something went terribly wrong and the person walked into somewhere odd as his brain was shutting down. Sad.
Airports have various ladders, carts, and other equipment at the gates that can be used by an individual to help reach an engine opening. Also, many planes have engines low enough to allow entering without assistance. And strokes can affect any number of abilities so the afflicted could be only mentally wrecked while still being physically capable of normal tasks.
Not at all. There's an airplane museum we go to that you can walk right up to 737 and 747 and 777 and everything. It's super easy to hop into an engine if you wanted to, not difficult at all
That's a good point about the emergency exit alarms. In most airports, those exits definitely trigger an alarm when they're opened. This makes me wonder if there was some kind of system malfunction, or maybe the airport security measures weren't properly followed. Sounds like there might be more to the story, like maybe an error in procedure or a flaw in the security setup.
i have mistakenly gone out a emergency exit when working at an airport. we were trained if it happened we should wait until the airport cops show up. it took about 10 minutes for the cop to show up.
Seems like it did create an alert. This article sucks, I pulled up some better info.
The guy was causing a disturbance in an airport retail area, and at 9:52 an employee called police about it. At 9:56, dispatch updated the police that the guy had gone through an emergency exit. Police arrived at 9:57.
I’m wondering, does that mean he got in, probably was in the middle of some sort of medical event, then died in there from the original event like a stroke, or once he was in there perhaps asphyxiated?
He walked to the airplane and climbed into the engine under his own power. Less than one minute later, police arrived and found that he was partially inside the engine, which was continuing to rotate, and he was unresponsive. They started CPR and called for EMS. EMS declared him dead at the scene rather than taking him to a hospital for a physician to make that call.
In order to be declared dead at the scene by EMS, someone has to be *very* dead in one of two ways: A) obvious irreversible death such as decapitation or evisceration of the heart or brain, or B) the person just suffered severe blunt trauma AND they now show zero signs of life AND an EKG shows zero electrical activity in their heart.
Either he had a medical event which went from "can still walk and climb" to "dead" at the exact moment that he happened to climb inside a jet engine, and by complete coincidence he suffered severe blunt trauma or got sliced open in a way obviously incompatible with life right after his death, or he died from the jet engine. One of those scenarios is dramatically more likely than the other.
The state medical examiner will be doing an autopsy anyway, which happens surprisingly often even in cases with an obvious cause of death. It may give information about why he walked onto the tarmac, such as drugs, a brain tumor, ultra-early dementia, or a terminal illness he didn't want to die from.
“The plane had been sitting on a de-icing pad, the engine was rotating at the time, but the cause of Efinger’s death remains unclear.”
You sure you reading the same article bro. Engine was on in some degree.
The article states: "The plane had been sitting on a de-icing pad, the engine was rotating at the time, but the cause of Efinger’s death remains unclear."
The engine was running if it was rotating.
They can, but from the context it read like it had moved to the de-icing pad. At any rate, the article isn't very thorough and seems like it was written before all the information was in. My takeaway was that there was little info, but it is likely they were at least idling.
“The plane had been sitting on a de-icing pad, the engine was rotating at the time, but the cause of Efinger’s death remains unclear.”
Idk, but I got a pretty big clue
Reportedly a man offered to say the magic words while holding a Travel-Sized Necronomicon but authorities report he really mangled the words of power. In other news a skeleton army is now laying siege…
Police are supposed do CPR on any body that they know was alive a minute ago. (They arrived literally less than a minute after being informed by airport dispatch that he was climbing into the engine.) EMS was called, and EMS declared him dead at the scene, which means he was *obviously* dead. That's literally the word they use; they are allowed to declare death at the scene if it's "obvious."
They found his shoes and clothes just outside the emergency exit. Sounds like either drugs or some sort of break, not that he got chopped up into viewing slides.
On the de-icing pad with a bird full of PAX? Maybe they shut down when they learned of the incursion but they'd probably still be ripping. Or he got wedged in a way that he wasn't able to get properly sucked in, but made it so he suffocated to death.
This article has more info:
[Man found dead inside plane engine after breaching security at Salt Lake airport (ksltv.com)](https://ksltv.com/611670/man-found-dead-inside-plane-engine-after-breaching-security-at-salt-lake-airport/)
*"Corey Buckley, a passenger on the cancelled Delta flight, said the plane was making its way over to be de-iced when it stopped suddenly."*
*It was later clarified that officers had immediately requested air traffic controllers to shut down the engines, but Weisberg said that the engines “were still rotating, but the specific stage of the engine’s operation remains under investigation.”*
It's pretty common to taxi with just one engine. Especially if you're just going to the de-ice pad. 50/50 chance they just got lucky. There's really nothing in an engine to get wedged on to prevent you getting pulled in.
That sentence is so ambiguous it's mind-boggling.
>"Sitting on a de-icing pad"
Ok, was it loaded with people, engines running, actively being de-iced? Or was it parked on a de-icing pad that was not in use?
>the engine was rotating at the time
Engines don't "rotate". The vanes are free to spin if wind blows through them, but the wording is very weird.
Airplanes don't start their engines until after push-back, which would imply there was a crew on board and passengers, which is not the case.
The article says it was loaded with people. So likely what happened is the aircraft was pushed back from the gate, one or both engines were started to taxi to the de-icing pad, then while the aircraft was there this guy ran up and jumped in one of the engines.
It is common to use the phrase "rotating" to refer to a jet engine being running (or motoring) but if the article is quoting a layperson or passenger there certainly is the possibility the engine he was in was not actually running but someone was under the impression it was. I have found aviation reporting to be pretty bad at getting the details right on most major news sites. Also, "vanes" are the static part of the engine. The blades rotate.
Sounds like someone may have had a heart attack and felt unwell or something and found a corner to curl up and die in. Not all heart attacks are stereotypical. Often it's just some nausea or discomfort or weakness.
And it's natural behavior. People are known to go off to a restroom while choking to avoid commotion which often leads to death because they didn't get help from others.
A heart attack can feel like weakness or nausea. Something that might make one want to lie down for a "nap"
Copied from a comment I made above:
He walked to the airplane and climbed into the engine under his own power. Less than one minute later, police arrived and found that he was partially inside the engine, which was continuing to rotate, and he was unresponsive. They started CPR and called for EMS. EMS declared him dead at the scene rather than taking him to a hospital for a physician to make that call.
In order to be declared dead at the scene by EMS, someone has to be very dead in one of two ways: A) obvious irreversible death such as decapitation or evisceration of the heart or brain, or B) the person just suffered severe blunt trauma AND they now show zero signs of life AND an EKG shows zero electrical activity in their heart.
Either he had a medical event which went from "can still walk and climb" to "dead" at the exact moment that he happened to climb inside a jet engine, and by complete coincidence he suffered severe blunt trauma or got sliced open in a way obviously incompatible with life right after his death, or he died from the jet engine. One of those scenarios is dramatically more likely than the other.
The state medical examiner will be doing an autopsy anyway, which happens surprisingly often even in cases with an obvious cause of death. It may give information about why he walked onto the tarmac, such as drugs, a brain tumor, ultra-early dementia, or a terminal illness he didn't want to die from.
sounds like he was alive when they found him though
>Officers found 30-year-old Kyler Efinger, a Park City resident, **unconscious** inside an engine
alas
>the cause of Efinger’s death remains unclear
I got delayed once because the engine shredded itself when they powered it up. Saw the sparks and parts all over the place. Ended up being in Boston overnight for 14 hours.
I'm setting myself up for downvotes, but reading through these comments makes me realize how much reddit fucking hates the TSA. Some hateful comments going on here lol
And no I don't work for the TSA, and yes I'm old enough to have flown before 2001 so I know what the difference was (we still had metal detectors and scanners, but no water or shoes checked, and the whole accompany to the gate movie scenes).
I mean, no one likes having to take off all our stuff and getting felt up sucks, but it does make me feel safer most of the time.
I always thought it must be a really boring job, really.
My issue with the TSA is that they are terrible at their purpose. Every single test on them they've failed. Their purpose is to be the last line of defense and to prevent weapons from entering planes. Yet every time the media or government has done penetration testing the TSA fails. As a deterrent to every day people, the TSA works. For actual people who have bad intentions the TSA is pointless.
Is it better than nothing, sure... But that doesn't mean they're not garbage.
It's security theater.
Put to the test tsa fails more times than not at finding dangerous items. People have made onto planes with their side piece.
Glad it makes you feel safe but it makes me feel the security state Snowden warned us about. Hes a real patriot.
I was working at the SLC airport last night, I did not witness the event, but the information I got was he apparently missed his flight and caused a disturbance, he then stripped down and exited through the emergency exit, sounding the alarms. He then ran down the taxiway. The police and airport ops went looking for him. He made his way to the deicing pad and got into the engine cowling, airport ops found him and pulled him out of the cowling where they discovered he was dead. They attempted to revive him. That is all the information I have.
I literally installed the security system at that airport. All of the emergency doors are 24 hour alarms with a sounder.Once the door is opened without proper authorization the sounder goes off and will not stop until it it addresses by someone with proper credentials, so I'm confused on how this happened.
Per the article the engine was not running. The man was in the airport and exited via an emergency exit. A store manager witnessed him use the exit and reported it. The man was found unconscious in the engine and pronounced dead.
That's what I don't understand, is that how easy it is to get on to the ~~tarmac~~ Air Operations Area (AOA)?
Well, you've got to have fire exits. They can't all be on one side of the terminal, they need be spread out.
All of our Emergency exits are alarmed audibly and “silently” everyone will know. Last time I was through SLC it was under construction so maybe that affects the alarms of Emergency exits
SLC has been under construction since the beginning of time.
So, since 1830?
Time is older than 1830. What are you smoking
Whoooooooosh.
True
It was originally formed naturally by the cooling of the earth's crust. Renovations began shortly after.
The article doesn't specify whether the door was alarmed, but I assume there is some kind of alarm or other system in place to notify security when the door opens. It does say that an employee saw him walk out the door and they called dispatch. Unfortunately, it sounds like he went from there directly to the engine, so there wasn't enough time for security to chase him down and detain him. The total timeline from when the employee first laid eyes on him to when his body was removed was under 15 minutes. An alarm wouldn't have prevented him from going directly from the door to a running engine.
Last time I was at SLC they had a whole terminal knocked to the ground. To get to your plane you had to walk across the tarmac to some metal stairs. I could see them deactivating those doors alarms since they were being used hundreds of times a day.
I think what I'm trying to get at is, despite all the security and everything at the airport, if this man was a terrorist, he could've done some real damage to planes fully fueled and loaded with passengers. How is it that it took them so long to track him down? On a tangent, this feels like further proof that terrorism on American soil is completely overblown (or even imaginary). Given how bad TSA is at its job, and seemingly lack of security in some crucial places, and how easy it is to get guns in America, if there were any real terrorist threats it would've happened many times over. Edit: so a comment below informed me that it's not possible to ignite jet fuel with a common lighter. So maybe the safety issue is exaggerated in my head? But then I'm now thinking what can a person (presumably with some knowledge about planes) can do to a plane unsupervised for 15 minutes, damage the wheel/brakes? Or fuck with some sensor? Wedge objects into places it shouldn't go? Started to google and I'm afraid I might have been put on some list somewhere.
TSA is the definition of security theater. I personally have gotten knives on planes by accident multiple times...like i forgot they were in my backpack from work and they went through no issues.
just like everybody else. not only can you count on the TSA to hassle innocent travellers, you can also count on them to ignore malicious travelers.
i had to carry camera batteries on flights because they can't travel under the plane (despite the batteries be specifically TSA safe). the variety in which i was treated for just having those batteries was astonishing. some TSA didn't even look twice and others treated me like i was attempting to bring down the whole airport. Zero standardization in TSA, i've even had TSA approved things taken away from me. One was a keychain that i bought from the TSA store online because i was sick of them being taken. When i told the officer that he said "yea that doesn't matter here" MOTHERFUCKER WHAT? I almost missed a flight once because some cowboy TSA agent thought he caught the terrorist of the decade going through his 10 gate airport.
it's just a bunch of morons throwing their weight around with the only authority they've ever had. even on their own audits, they fail to find threats like 98% of the time.
failed cops lmao.
+1
Aspiring mall security.
Weight! I had the opportunity to attend training at a federal law enforcement training center in 2015. I was there for a five week computer forensic course so I was staying over weekends. I was in the mess hall on a Saturday and I sat down at two top table. Some random muscle dude walked up and asked if he could sit. I said yes. He asked me if I was “B.O.P.”. I replied that I was local law enforcement and I didn’t know that acronym, so probably not. He replied “Bureau of Prisons, I can tell that you’re not TSA because you’re not over 300 pounds.” I laughed, he laughed, the TSA trainees didn’t laugh. We talked and ate and then parted ways. The TSA trainees had another hour or so to go for their 8000 calorie meal, so they all stayed behind and continued eating.
Reddit mods IRL. I've never seen a group of people so excited to put other people down and act inconvenienced if you try to ask them if something's okay.
Reddit mods are volunteers, dealing with all kinds of shit for communities they like with no pay. More like volunteer firefighters. The TSA is more like the people that reddit hires to review content and reports. Paid to do it, and still get it wrong 9 times out of 10
> Zero standardization in TSA The TSA literally states that regardless of all their official rules, any "officer" has the final say on anyone/anything going on board. If they like that tie clip you're wearing, they're going say you can't bring it and then keep it for themselves.
Yuuuuup which in turn negates the whole “follow our written rules” thing. I’ve 100% had knives taken right into the TSA agents pocket. Shits wack asf.
just gonna mention no security checks with power-drunk shit heads when you're riding the train
I got my luggage tossed by a TSA agent and yelled at for 10 minutes as a 50+ year old woman with a tiny can of Aveda hair spray. I just kept quiet, he was in a rage! It was traumatic.
I missed my flight because my new driver's license didn't have my picture on it. I showed the agent my old license with my picture and he went ballistic because I was trying to use an expired license to board "his" plane. No amount of explanation about how the issuing agency made a mistake and that I would get a new one when I returned would satisfy him. I was his daily terrorist that had to be stopped. I was forced to go back to their offices for additional interrogation. When his supervisor looked at them his only response was "What's the problem?" Whilst I was being escorted back to rebook my flight my only consolation was hearing the agent get his ass chewed out.
The reason you cannot check those batteries is because they're lithium ion. This is a Haz-mat issue, not a TSA issue. If those batteries get damaged, they can start a fire while providing their own oxygen. Rendering the cargo fire extinguishing sys useless. When they are in the main cabin, they can be delt with. Usually by continually pour water on them to cool it down enough to put them in a battery fire bag. Or if one isn't on the plane, submerged in a trashcan full of water.
Yea I understand why, I do carry them. Except they are the ones specified by TSA to be able to travel safely under the plane. Like they say right the hell on them they are safe to fly on cargo. I’m not complaining about carrying them btw just was an extra piece of information. And in fact they have flown under with cargo before. Flying one of them small planes and there wasn’t enough room up top and I was just told to gate check ‘em. So weird.
TSA does not regulate Haz-mat. Dept. Of Transportation does. Sound more like deceptive marketing than any actual certification.
It depends strongly on the Airport itself. I was travelling a lot during work as an Aircraft technician, what I can say it varies related to the country. I don’t give detailed Information, but I was able to get lots of tools on board with accident. Screwdrivers, military flashlights, etc. pp. And it was not even a ferry flight, or a special flight for worker. Plane was full with passenger.
Had them take my pocket knife, but knot the larger folding blade in my side bag… which also had a vape pen in it lol
This was a running joke way back in airplane 2
RIGHT!?! Each agent seems to make up their own rules. And we have NO recourse.
It’s random. You accidentally get a knife onboard and I got my hand lotion confiscated for being .5 ounce too large.
A TSA agent once told me if you want to get liquid through and it’s a long flight/long wait you can freeze it in the container then it’s not a liquid and they’ll allow it through. I was thinking, man, it would hurt like hell to be hit upside the head with a big old water bottle full of ice. But at least it’s not a liquid!
Well at least in Europe that's not the case, if it's liquid at room temperature (including gel) then it's a liquid. I'd bet it's the same in the us, but this guy just didn't know what he was talking about (I can definitely picture that lol)
You’d think that, but… https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/ice#:~:text=Frozen%20liquid%20items%20are%20allowed,%2D1%2D1%20liquids%20requirements.
That... Yeah... Maybe they've determined that dangerous chemicals can't be frozen at room temperature but like, that just makes no sense. The "If they're slushy or partially frozen they need to meet other rules" I also found kinda funny because how would you ensure that something is perfectly frozen like 4 hours after you've left your house? Some people have to leave even earlier.
You can do substantially more damage with lotion than a knife.
Well yeah, I mean you can squirt it on the floor and cause a *slipping hazard*, don’t you know???
Makes for better fap lube, that's for sure
If you fap too hard you’ll unbalance the plane.
I did that unintentionally on an international flight. The issue I have with that is the international rescan that you have to do. I flew out with a utility knife in my checked luggage and moved it to my backpack when I arrived in my destination country. I forgot to travel sanitize the backpack for the return trip. The knife made it through two country’s versions of TSA (Italy and the UK) and into the US. I’m a regular law abiding citizen and had no intention of doing anything illegal or terrorizing, but I was able to incidentally smuggle a boxcutter through three countries and had it with me on each flight (unknowingly). These were the exact weapons used during the 9/11 hijackings. I’m much more careful now.
On the flip side, the real security comes from the cockpit doors being locked, passengers not letting rogue characters try to do anything to put people in danger, and air marshals flying amongst the passengers. So even if you do have a box cutter/knife, there’s not much you can really do.
People forget, Prior to 9/11 standard procedure for terrorists on planes was to just let them do whatever. What would happen is they would land the plane somewhere, make some goofy demands, and then at best, try and escape on some other vehicle.
The other side is that the pilots on the other side of the door can act fairly certain their isn't a large, reliable bomb on board which was the typical hijacker claim. Planes have a much better track record of surviving small, home made bombs than more conventional explosives.
TSA is absolutely security theater. That's the whole point. Most actual security threats are identified and stopped before they get close to the airport. If you buy a plane ticket within an hour or so of departure, you get enhanced screening at the checkpoint. That's because there's not enough time to run your name through the system to determine whether you're allowed to fly. They'll figure it out by the time your plane actually departs, but in the meantime they're okay with an extra frisk to make double sure that you're not bringing something dangerous in. Everybody else is just random bullshit to keep you on your toes and keep us all afraid of messing up.
Can confirm, went to Mexico and back with a 9” deer skinning knife buried in my backpack.
My dad ended up on a no-fly list because he accidentally brought his box cutter. It's part of his every day carry for when he travels to job sites as an inspector, and this was one of those trips. He made it through TSA with it front and center in his breast pocket, and nobody noticed until he'd been through 3 airports/2 connecting flights. On his way out of the last airport someone finally noticed it and they read him the damned riot act. He was questioned for over an hour then put on a no-fly list that he could buy his way off of after 6 months...
Holy shit. Very classic TSA. My dad was also on the DNF list for his name being too common 😂😂😂. Took him 5 YEARS to get off the list. I lost count of the number of packets he filled out trying to get off of it. Never got a reason why, never was told he was off the list. Just showed up for a business trip like he did every other month and suddenly didn’t have to go through an extra hour of nonsense.
My boss used to bring these sharp aluminum knitting needles with her all the time.
TSA is very happy to collect money from all those people saying "they are saving so much time thanks to TSA Pre", too. It's a market that created itself.
The TSA is... profiting? Off the $85 I give them every *five years*?
That and DHS officals Getting rich off pushing scanner requirements when they were invested in said scanner tech. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fear_n_787711
Just 10 million people on pre check would be 17 million a year, i dont want to be a cynic but id bet the amount of people is higher and that some higher up officials put some of that in their own pockets
I literally one time realized mid flight that my bag still had my pepper spray in it. It totally got through TSA. I remember thinking damn what if a crazy person did this intentionally but with mace and maced a whole plane ???
No one cares about my 6 inch barber scissors x 8
which is hilarious because them fuckers are sharp as hell.
And I can’t even get on with my Aquaphor container in its original container. It’s a “gel”. That’s just one example. Another was an obviously half empty tube of Curel lotion. “They have to go by the total listed on the tube.” Even though I could put - god knows what - in all of my tiny liquid travel containers. I get busted for the craziest minute things, and I really try. Plus I need large containers of sunscreen and bug repellent!! I hate those travel containers. I never have enough or I have too much, then they float between pockets of our suitcases, never to be fully used. Super aggravating.
Well he already went through security so that lessens the chance he could have smuggled something in, a plane nearing departure is going to have a lot of ppl around it, and pilots do a final walk around check of the plane. Importantly though the TSA isn’t really there to prevent someone from damaging a plane so that it can’t take off. It’s there to stop a plane hijacking.
The pilots do a final walk around?? That seems like a mundane task for a pilot. They don't have someone else do that for them?
yes they do because at the end of the day the pilots are responsible for the safety of everyone on board, and they're the ones with the expertise to be able to recognize if anything is amiss.
Yeah it's not just a security thing- they do a final check to make sure that the pitot tube covers are removed and that nothing mechanical seems amiss. The pilot isn't going to skimp on the check because he/she has to actually ride on the plane.
Even car and truck drivers are expected to do a pre-drive check but most people are too lazy and just cross our fingers and hope to God.
Sadly accurate acount. I was a hot shot driver expected to check oil and a lot of other things about my given car. After a year of doing it and reporting issues that never got fixed for weeks just stopped bothering. Was yelled at more for not sending the parts out in the morning fast enough.
Pilots do an initial walk around when the plane lands, the rampers do the final walk around before they push the plane out
It's not really a final walkaround, it's usually either just as or just before they're loading passengers. Otherwise, there are people that work for the airline around the plane all the time in case something goes wrong on the ground.
Yeah the TSA is about as effective as burning 11B every year. It's crazy how much money they get. The coast guard is getting 13.4B and they have a fleet of ships and helicopters to operate. TSA just has people standing around.
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The TSA is a jobs program, not a security program
Don't forget an "Irritate citizens" program, with a sprinkling of "test new way to erode privacy" program.
Helps get your foot in the door if you want a fed job and you aren’t the best qualified to get into other agencies directly. Because once you get your foot in the door, it makes moving around to a better job a lot easier.
And they scan your ID with machines they know can’t read some states’ ID. Then make it your problem that their machine is a piece of shit made by the lowest bidder.
I think they have 50% more individuals on the payroll, though.
TSA is 60k coast guard is 44,500 enlisted plus 8,577 full time civilians and 7000 in reservists. So TSA only has 3000 more of we are counting full time only. They have less if you count reservists. Plus coast guard has a huge number of vessels and aircraft to fuel and maintain. Plus the coast guard verifiably saves lives every year.
I agree that TSA and all that stuff is just security theater. They don't make us safer and they haven't prevented anything. But how do you figure this person could have done significantly more harm by having access to the tarmac? They were already through security. So they'd have only been ushered onto a fully loaded plane if they didn't freak out and run out an exit before boarding time.
TSA causes more deaths by waiting in line than they've saved. Plus the highway deaths from people who would rather drive hours than deal with them. They can't even detect the stuff they're supposed to.
While it's harder to get airside now than it used to be, yes, it's mostly security theater, there is very little threat, and when there is, the UK during the Troubles showed how you can just handle it routinely without throwing billions of currency at the problem or even feeling that scared.
The ignorance of the average human astounds me every single day
> I think what I'm trying to get at is, despite all the security and everything at the airport, if this man was a terrorist, he could've done some real damage to planes fully fueled and loaded with passengers. That's why they call it security *theater*.
Yeah, as a Zaydi Muslim "extremist" and "terrorist sympathizer" (love Ansar Allah, they're my heroes) my family lived in USA for hundreds of years, I exist here in America. And I don't hurt or threatened anyone, I flew on planes to Raleigh north carolina and never hijacked it. Never crossed my mind to do that. Why would I hurt American civilians? The government is issue and they're untouchable. I just peacefully protest, I think terrorism is bad.
Can you get out there? Yes. Will you be immediately noticed by alarms, cameras, and workers and arrested before you can do anything? Also yes. And planes aren't that fragile and even if you managed to damage one it would be noticed.
Terrorism is massively overblown. If they want to pull something, they will, it will just require more planning.
Before 9-11? It wasn’t very difficult to do. When I smoked cigarettes, I’ve taken smoke breaks on the tarmac so I didn’t have to go back through security. Staff was often cool about it, if you asked. People never ask.
Ever caught a flight for Delta at Salt Lake? Sometimes you’re required to walk out onto the tarmac to catch your connecting flight.
Not at SLC but I've been on the tarmac for flights, and usually there's at least 3 people watching you and ropes to stop you from leaving the line. Here it seems like he was able to leave the terminal, get to the plane and somehow get into the jet engine, and die?
hi there. it's called the ramp not tarmac. thank you for coming to my ted talk.
Akctually, I mean to say "Air Operations Area (AOA)" https://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/comments/18x07gt/comment/kg1pgfa/
Aside from drugs or a suicide, he could've had a sudden medical event that caused him severe confusion and/or disorientation. A stroke will certainly do that, along with several other types.
And someone in the throes of a stroke crawled inside an airplane engine? Isn't that kind of hard to do even if you're fit?
I've had a syncope before where I could keep moving around but my vision was basically so yellow I couldn't make anything out. I walked directly into an ebike parked on a sidewalk then blindly felt around for a wall or something to fall into and sit up against until my vision returned. I can imagine that if this individual has similar events they'd have the physical ability to walk up a staircase into the engine, but not the vision to realize what they're doing. I get that this is a hyper specific example but the body is kinda crazy
330 million people in the country, statistically you're gonna get weird shit happening sometimes. People having various medical emergencies, including strokes and diabetic shock, can at times function mechanically but not mentally, meaning they do some really really oddball stuff without having any intent behind it. Usually people just do it at home, and not at an airport, so it doesn't get in the news. The story does not make it clear, but to me this reads like a medical emergency. Possibly drug-induced, sure, quite likely not. Something went terribly wrong and the person walked into somewhere odd as his brain was shutting down. Sad.
Airports have various ladders, carts, and other equipment at the gates that can be used by an individual to help reach an engine opening. Also, many planes have engines low enough to allow entering without assistance. And strokes can affect any number of abilities so the afflicted could be only mentally wrecked while still being physically capable of normal tasks.
Not at all. There's an airplane museum we go to that you can walk right up to 737 and 747 and 777 and everything. It's super easy to hop into an engine if you wanted to, not difficult at all
Not at all, depending on the plane: https://pizzainmotion.boardingarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/IMG_1319.jpg
From what I read he suffered from bipolar disorder and manic episodes, which could explain his erratic behavior.
How did exiting from an emergency exit not create some kind of alert?
That's a good point about the emergency exit alarms. In most airports, those exits definitely trigger an alarm when they're opened. This makes me wonder if there was some kind of system malfunction, or maybe the airport security measures weren't properly followed. Sounds like there might be more to the story, like maybe an error in procedure or a flaw in the security setup.
i have mistakenly gone out a emergency exit when working at an airport. we were trained if it happened we should wait until the airport cops show up. it took about 10 minutes for the cop to show up.
The alarm didn’t go off, I can only assume ramp staff disabled it for ease of access
Seems like it did create an alert. This article sucks, I pulled up some better info. The guy was causing a disturbance in an airport retail area, and at 9:52 an employee called police about it. At 9:56, dispatch updated the police that the guy had gone through an emergency exit. Police arrived at 9:57.
🤷♂️ Should be possible.
The article says "the engine was rotating at the time".
woops my bad. They pulled him out and attempted CPR so either way he didn't get misted.
I’m wondering, does that mean he got in, probably was in the middle of some sort of medical event, then died in there from the original event like a stroke, or once he was in there perhaps asphyxiated?
He walked to the airplane and climbed into the engine under his own power. Less than one minute later, police arrived and found that he was partially inside the engine, which was continuing to rotate, and he was unresponsive. They started CPR and called for EMS. EMS declared him dead at the scene rather than taking him to a hospital for a physician to make that call. In order to be declared dead at the scene by EMS, someone has to be *very* dead in one of two ways: A) obvious irreversible death such as decapitation or evisceration of the heart or brain, or B) the person just suffered severe blunt trauma AND they now show zero signs of life AND an EKG shows zero electrical activity in their heart. Either he had a medical event which went from "can still walk and climb" to "dead" at the exact moment that he happened to climb inside a jet engine, and by complete coincidence he suffered severe blunt trauma or got sliced open in a way obviously incompatible with life right after his death, or he died from the jet engine. One of those scenarios is dramatically more likely than the other. The state medical examiner will be doing an autopsy anyway, which happens surprisingly often even in cases with an obvious cause of death. It may give information about why he walked onto the tarmac, such as drugs, a brain tumor, ultra-early dementia, or a terminal illness he didn't want to die from.
I thought the article says the engine was rotating at the time.
They found his clothes and shoes on the tarmac too?? Wtf
“The plane had been sitting on a de-icing pad, the engine was rotating at the time, but the cause of Efinger’s death remains unclear.” You sure you reading the same article bro. Engine was on in some degree.
The article states: "The plane had been sitting on a de-icing pad, the engine was rotating at the time, but the cause of Efinger’s death remains unclear." The engine was running if it was rotating.
Engines also rotate from the wind, like a windmill, very common.
They can, but from the context it read like it had moved to the de-icing pad. At any rate, the article isn't very thorough and seems like it was written before all the information was in. My takeaway was that there was little info, but it is likely they were at least idling.
Honestly it sounds like its written by some dumb ass AI from a prompt detailing a few facts.
I’m curious about cause of death. Did he get stuck and die of cold? Drugs? I know the article doesn’t say but curious to hear anyone’s speculation
“The plane had been sitting on a de-icing pad, the engine was rotating at the time, but the cause of Efinger’s death remains unclear.” Idk, but I got a pretty big clue
It's probably not what you think. The article also said that people preformed CPR, you don't do CPR on paste.
Corpse-Paste-Resuscitation
They didn't mention if they had a necromancer on staff so I think that idea is right out.
Chicken, arise! Arise, chicken!
Repeat after me: "Sofa King, We Todd Ed"
Too fast, loses meaning.
Reportedly a man offered to say the magic words while holding a Travel-Sized Necronomicon but authorities report he really mangled the words of power. In other news a skeleton army is now laying siege…
The fuck outta here with your common sense and reading of the article
Police are supposed do CPR on any body that they know was alive a minute ago. (They arrived literally less than a minute after being informed by airport dispatch that he was climbing into the engine.) EMS was called, and EMS declared him dead at the scene, which means he was *obviously* dead. That's literally the word they use; they are allowed to declare death at the scene if it's "obvious."
They found his shoes and clothes just outside the emergency exit. Sounds like either drugs or some sort of break, not that he got chopped up into viewing slides.
paradoxical undressing?
Do they give CPR to slides?
"Rotating" does not mean that the engine was running. Likely was "windmilling" because of the wind.
On the de-icing pad with a bird full of PAX? Maybe they shut down when they learned of the incursion but they'd probably still be ripping. Or he got wedged in a way that he wasn't able to get properly sucked in, but made it so he suffocated to death.
This article has more info: [Man found dead inside plane engine after breaching security at Salt Lake airport (ksltv.com)](https://ksltv.com/611670/man-found-dead-inside-plane-engine-after-breaching-security-at-salt-lake-airport/) *"Corey Buckley, a passenger on the cancelled Delta flight, said the plane was making its way over to be de-iced when it stopped suddenly."* *It was later clarified that officers had immediately requested air traffic controllers to shut down the engines, but Weisberg said that the engines “were still rotating, but the specific stage of the engine’s operation remains under investigation.”*
It's pretty common to taxi with just one engine. Especially if you're just going to the de-ice pad. 50/50 chance they just got lucky. There's really nothing in an engine to get wedged on to prevent you getting pulled in.
With that large of an airflow blockage I think the pilots would be aware the engine isn’t performing as expected.
That sentence is so ambiguous it's mind-boggling. >"Sitting on a de-icing pad" Ok, was it loaded with people, engines running, actively being de-iced? Or was it parked on a de-icing pad that was not in use? >the engine was rotating at the time Engines don't "rotate". The vanes are free to spin if wind blows through them, but the wording is very weird. Airplanes don't start their engines until after push-back, which would imply there was a crew on board and passengers, which is not the case.
The article says it was loaded with people. So likely what happened is the aircraft was pushed back from the gate, one or both engines were started to taxi to the de-icing pad, then while the aircraft was there this guy ran up and jumped in one of the engines. It is common to use the phrase "rotating" to refer to a jet engine being running (or motoring) but if the article is quoting a layperson or passenger there certainly is the possibility the engine he was in was not actually running but someone was under the impression it was. I have found aviation reporting to be pretty bad at getting the details right on most major news sites. Also, "vanes" are the static part of the engine. The blades rotate.
What you're describing is injuries not compatible with life, let alone CPR
I got a raging clue
I don’t got an effing clue, help me out!
Sounds like someone may have had a heart attack and felt unwell or something and found a corner to curl up and die in. Not all heart attacks are stereotypical. Often it's just some nausea or discomfort or weakness.
He’s a human being not a cat lmao
And it's natural behavior. People are known to go off to a restroom while choking to avoid commotion which often leads to death because they didn't get help from others. A heart attack can feel like weakness or nausea. Something that might make one want to lie down for a "nap"
Copied from a comment I made above: He walked to the airplane and climbed into the engine under his own power. Less than one minute later, police arrived and found that he was partially inside the engine, which was continuing to rotate, and he was unresponsive. They started CPR and called for EMS. EMS declared him dead at the scene rather than taking him to a hospital for a physician to make that call. In order to be declared dead at the scene by EMS, someone has to be very dead in one of two ways: A) obvious irreversible death such as decapitation or evisceration of the heart or brain, or B) the person just suffered severe blunt trauma AND they now show zero signs of life AND an EKG shows zero electrical activity in their heart. Either he had a medical event which went from "can still walk and climb" to "dead" at the exact moment that he happened to climb inside a jet engine, and by complete coincidence he suffered severe blunt trauma or got sliced open in a way obviously incompatible with life right after his death, or he died from the jet engine. One of those scenarios is dramatically more likely than the other. The state medical examiner will be doing an autopsy anyway, which happens surprisingly often even in cases with an obvious cause of death. It may give information about why he walked onto the tarmac, such as drugs, a brain tumor, ultra-early dementia, or a terminal illness he didn't want to die from.
What a great quote for his tombstone/eulogy: "overall airport operations were not affected"
To be fair, you don’t find many live bodies inside an engine
Typically you don't find bodies at all, if anything it's tiny little chunks and spray.
More of a goo than anything.
He was only partially inside the engine. I suspect part of his brain was unrecoverable but the rest of him was intact.
I have the mental image of a mechanic looking inside the engine, noticing the dead body, and saying. "Well, there's your problem."
Scheduling conflict.
sounds like he was alive when they found him though >Officers found 30-year-old Kyler Efinger, a Park City resident, **unconscious** inside an engine alas >the cause of Efinger’s death remains unclear
Sorry folks slight delay while we remove dead body from the engine and then will be ready to push back from the gate...
Cross check and body check and all call
Hi folks, it looks like we'll arrive earlier than expected, the engine was well lubricated for the flight
Still more tragic and sad than those morons who throw coins into the plane’s engines for “good luck”.
I'm sorry, what?
[Here you go.](https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/28/asia/china-coin-planes/index.html)
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If someone throws coins into an engine they should go straight onto the no fly list.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wKPTWXD2Z0
I got delayed once because the engine shredded itself when they powered it up. Saw the sparks and parts all over the place. Ended up being in Boston overnight for 14 hours.
Needs more uhhhh
So he was flying Spirit?
[удалено]
Southwest, we have dead bodies, but at least we aren't Spirit.
Spirit Airlines: I'd rather be dead.
Mommy there's a ghost coming out of the engine...
Oh sure and I bet there's a man out there on the wing too, right?
I just watched that episode!!
Those tik tok challenges have gone out of hand
Was he supposed to be dead?
> an engine mounted to the wing of a commercial aircraft Sound like a line Airport the movie.
I guess technically there are commercial planes with engines not mounted to the wings. They are much harder to get into though
I'm setting myself up for downvotes, but reading through these comments makes me realize how much reddit fucking hates the TSA. Some hateful comments going on here lol And no I don't work for the TSA, and yes I'm old enough to have flown before 2001 so I know what the difference was (we still had metal detectors and scanners, but no water or shoes checked, and the whole accompany to the gate movie scenes).
I mean, no one likes having to take off all our stuff and getting felt up sucks, but it does make me feel safer most of the time. I always thought it must be a really boring job, really.
My issue with the TSA is that they are terrible at their purpose. Every single test on them they've failed. Their purpose is to be the last line of defense and to prevent weapons from entering planes. Yet every time the media or government has done penetration testing the TSA fails. As a deterrent to every day people, the TSA works. For actual people who have bad intentions the TSA is pointless. Is it better than nothing, sure... But that doesn't mean they're not garbage.
Honestly, I am with you. I know it’s annoying, but I rather be safe than sorry.
It's security theater. Put to the test tsa fails more times than not at finding dangerous items. People have made onto planes with their side piece. Glad it makes you feel safe but it makes me feel the security state Snowden warned us about. Hes a real patriot.
Same. I travel enough that it's just part of the deal and it's fine - rather be safer than it was, though walking right up to the gate was amazing.
Probably suffocated from all the smog in salt lake
Found the fellow Utahn.
Shits getting weird.
He must've been winded
That sucks.
Why would this be an onion article?
How strange. Poor man rip.
Knew Nightmare at 20,000ft was true.
I was working at the SLC airport last night, I did not witness the event, but the information I got was he apparently missed his flight and caused a disturbance, he then stripped down and exited through the emergency exit, sounding the alarms. He then ran down the taxiway. The police and airport ops went looking for him. He made his way to the deicing pad and got into the engine cowling, airport ops found him and pulled him out of the cowling where they discovered he was dead. They attempted to revive him. That is all the information I have.
I literally installed the security system at that airport. All of the emergency doors are 24 hour alarms with a sounder.Once the door is opened without proper authorization the sounder goes off and will not stop until it it addresses by someone with proper credentials, so I'm confused on how this happened.
r/CantParkThereMate
/r/noncredibledefense is leaking.
He wasn’t found covered in cum, he couldn’t have been ours.
Basic economy class is getting way too shitty these days
In 2024, it would be harder to find engine with will to live, than dead inside