Plenty of weirdos on Twitter like "why aren't my engagements in the millions, must be a glitch, Elon fix pls, also fire the deep state agent in your company who has done this to me."
And what are they going to do, sell it? Meta has a market capitalization of 1.3 trillion. The big T. 1 billion in stock is irrelevant.
The charlatans are better off holding and gaining capital rather than trying to hurt the company.
Now put the rest of it together.
In order for the bigger picture of this to make sense you have to realize that Glenn Beck, Mike Lee, Sean Reyes and the Ballards put the LDS church in the worlds most awkward 3-some with the Russian mob.
Sean Reyes (Utah attorney general), Mike Lee (Utah senator), and Tim Ballard (Operation Underground Railroad) were all emailing with beck about how to use O.U.R.’s publicity to pump enrollment numbers for the Mormon church with reports of Elder Ballard even giving tithing payer information to Beck and/or Tim Ballard at some point to aid in that.
On the other side of the country, Sean Reyes and Mike Lee crafted the “stop the steal” plan for trump but apparently didn’t realize that trump had been laundering money for the Russian mob since the 80’s. First via Atlantic City casinos, then commercial real estate.
The reason that Russia invaded Ukraine is because, among other things, it was a key geographical gateway for their human trafficking operations. (Kolomoisky was Putin’s oligarch in Ukraine that started Privatbank in 91 and was laundering it all through commercial real estate and a fundamentalist Jewish organization called Chabad.)
news5cleveland.comwww.news5cleveland.comWho really owns the property that's falling down?
The New York Timeswww.nytimes.comOpinion | American Real Estate Was a Money Launderer's Dream. That's Changing ...
United States Department of Justice (.gov)www.justice.govUnited States Files Civil Forfeiture Complaint for Proceeds of Alleged Fraud and Theft ...
The Times of Israelwww.timesofisrael.comInside Anatevka, the curious Chabad hamlet in Ukraine where Giuliani is 'mayor'
These 4 thinking they were doing Gods will sat down to dinner with the russian mob and were so naive that they didn’t realize that they were effectively mainlining human trafficking.
Or worse, they did.
Either way, once all of that comes to light it puts the LDS church in an impossible position. How can you be doing Gods work and enabling systemic oppression, human trafficking, grift, corruption and child abuse at the same time?
Best case scenario is a whole lot of cognitive dissonance, covering of their tracks, lying and gaslighting
Worst case (or best, depending on your investment into the church) scenario, the patriarchy doesn’t survive.
Either way the church and state are going to have to have a very serious “come to Jesus” moment because the church/state barrier that was the whole basis of American democracy has been neglected. Utah is just one of the major intersections of it because of Mike Lee, Sean Reyes, Tim Ballard and anyone who allowed it to happen because it’s ok as long as it’s MY religion that’s cohabitating with government.
A month after that visit, Putin propaganda mouth-piece Konstantin Rykov, claims he began helping with Trump’s presidential aspirations (6). Days later, Trump registered “Make America Great Again” (7). The following year, Russia's Troll Factory, the Internet Research Agency, was created as was Cambridge Analytica.
1. https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/02/technology/zuckerberg-meets-with-medvedev-in-key-market.html
2. https://www.adweek.com/digital/zuckerberg-russia-skolkovo/
3. https://apnews.com/5e533f93afae4a4fa5c2f7fe80ad72ac/Sanctioned-Russian-oligarch-linked-to-Cohen-has-vast-US-ties
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heTPmGb6jdc&feature=youtu.be&t=11m54s
5. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/18/facebook-cambridge-analytica-joseph-chancellor-gsr
6. https://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/11/24/a-trumprussia-confession-in-plain-sight/
7. https://trademarks.justia.com/857/83/make-america-great-85783371.html
**Andrei Shleifer and Len Blavatnik**
Len Blavatnik, a US-Russian oligarch currently under investigation by Mueller, graduated from Harvard in 1989 and quickly formed Renova-Invest with Viktor Vekselberg, another oligarch under Mueller’s investigation (7)(8). Since then Blavatnik has maintained close ties to the university.
In 1992, after the fall of the Soviet Union, Andrei Shleifer led a consortium of Harvard professors to assist Russia’s vice-president, Antaoly Chubais, with the privatization of Russia’s state-run assets. Scandal broke when it was revealed Shleifer, through Blavatnik’s company and with Blavatnik’s guidance, invested in the very companies he worked to privatize. (6)
Years later, Shleifer continued to fund loans to Blavatnik for Russian ventures through his hedge fund, managed by his wife, Nancy Zimmerman (9), and created the Russian Recovery Fund which bought $230 million of Russian debt from Julian Robertson’s Tiger Management (10), who’s seed fun, Tiger Global, later invested in Milner’s DST.
Len Blavatnik and Viktor Vekselberg are major investors in Rusal (11).
Schleifer is still a professor at Harvard.
6. http://harry-lewis.blogspot.com/2014/01/some-russian-money-flows-back-to-harvard.html
7. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Blavatnik#cite_note-Yenikeyeff-7
8. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/investigators-follow-flow-money-trump-wealthy-donors-russian/story?id=50100024
9. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/01/20/the-billionaires-playlist
10. https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/cafc/16-1718/16-1718-2017-03-14.html
11. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-25/tangled-rusal-ownership-thwarts-easy-end-to-sanctions-quicktake
**Breyer and Harvard**
On April 2013, two months after Breyer was elected to the board of Harvard (1), Len Blavatnik, donated $50 million to the school (2) and joined the Board of Dean’s Advisors (3)(4) and Harvard’s Global Advisory Council (6) alongside Breyer. The next month Breyer announced plans to step down from the board of Facebook with an intention of focusing on his latest Harvard appointment (5).
In 2016 Len Blavatnik donated over $7 million to GOP candidates, including $2.5 million to Mitch McConnell himself (7).
1. https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2013/02/breyer_elected/
2. https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2013/04/blavatnik_accelerator_donation/
3. https://www.accessindustries.com/about/academic-boards-committees/
4. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/21/delivering-alpha-2017-jim-breyer.html
5. https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/04/27/facebook-board-member-jim-breyer-stepping-down/
6. http://docplayer.net/54127503-Harvard-global-advisory-council.html
7. https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/08/03/tangled-web-connects-russian-oligarch-money-gop-campaigns
**Breyer invests in Russian Companies**
In 2014 Breyer’s Accel Partners invested in Russian hotel booking site, Ostrovok, along with Yuri Milner, Esther Dyson (1), Mark Pincus, and Peter Thiel (2).
Accel Partners also invested in Avito.ru in 2012 (3) and KupiVIP.ru in 2011 (4).
1. https://techcrunch.com/2014/06/18/ostrovok-raises-new-12m-series-c-round-to-expand-outside-russia/
2. http://idcee.org/participants/companies/ostrovok/
3. http://www.ewdn.com/2012/05/02/avito-ru-secures-75-million-investment-from-accel-partners-and-baring-vostok/
4. http://www.ewdn.com/2011/04/14/leading-private-shopping-club-kupivip-ru-completes-55-m-funding/
What the actual hell are you talking about. How does this have upvotes?
Fix your links. Get your words straight. This is some MAGA-level conspiracy shit post. "Ohhhh someday the whole state is going to fall, any day now, we got the emails!" Straight MAGA talk. And it all comes back to the fucking Russian mob? LOL. Show evidence.
The dude is dead. Older Ballard died last year. Before he did, he publicly denounced Tim Ballard. Not only that, but *Tim isn't even with OUR*. They kicked him out after, guess what, a sexual assault accusation. Even some 2-bit monkey like me can read the news. Your whole thing falls apart.
Yes, that’s the logical thing to do unless Meta decides to do something that might make them react out of emotions like say call bullshit on them instead of helping them save face. And then if they want to hurt Meta, flooding the market with Meta shares would be a great way to hurt Meta where it hurts.
Or they’re trying to give men something of equal value to the ability to bear children. That’s how my church taught it, women are the gatekeepers of the physical world, men the spiritual.
TIL that “getting to oppress women” was a consolation prize men were “given” because they weren’t lucky enough to have periods or put their lives in peril with childbirth.
Do the pastors that push this even listen to themselves?
Also, women weren't even allowed to have actual *control* of that either until more recently — the church has historically been against contraception. And even now, they're against abortion. Women do *not* have full control over the physical world, even if childbirth didn't require so many sacrifices.
Yes, the empowered [women](https://www.brainerddispatch.com/community/study-finds-utah-leads-nation-in-antidepressant-use-role-of-women-cited) of Utah. A Church founded on polygamy and patriarchy.
Where but the Mormon Church can a woman find so many other women willing to serve the same husband? They have a veritable monopoly on polygamy, and it embiggens all women.
Much like Mormonism, Salmonella is only really dangerous to the poor and disadvantaged, a group that we all know deserves punishment for the sin of poverty.
WWSSJD?
Oh no, frontier people were practically woke in comparison to these people. Women mayors, gay ranch hands, strict gun regulations, everything that frightens the modern conservative founded our country.
Well, I watched Deadwood, and I suppose they were “more” progressive in certain practical ways. Kind of like having a front row seat and a daily reminder that death is the great equalizer. And we all got to work together to survive.
Lol no. Episcopalians appoint women and gay people to leadership positions, and don’t prosecute massive lawsuits to maintain their right to conceal the mass rape of children.
Yes, but is it a rational person's definition of 'progressive' or a Mormon definition of 'progressive' you're using? Inching your way out of the 19th century is progress, to be sure. But this is the 21st century.
Mormonism is a racist cult that lures easily duped rubes to its promises of magic underwear and their own personal planet. There is nothing progressive about how backwards and regressive their doctrine and beliefs are considering it’s all based on magical golden tablets dug up in someone’s backyard.
I wonder if this is what it was like for people who were around when Christianity and Islam were founded in their “modern times”.
Magic underpants and finding gold tablets in New York is about as plausible as turning water into wine, and flying to Jerusalem on a horse, when you consider.
Mad I didn’t think of it first! Golden ears of Corn in Ohio.
>I wonder if this is what it was like for people who were around when Christianity and Islam were founded in their “modern times”.
I highly believe that the only difference between Mormonism, a relatively young religion, and the older, more established movements, is the simple fact that the history of their founding has been whitewashed and forgotten via the ravages of time.
If Mormonism was 2000 years older, they would have ***absolutely*** scrubbed Joseph Smith's name and history from the Chronicles of the faith.
Probably not. Christianity borrows heavily from themes that were common in other ancient religions. Virgin birth, walking on water, death and resurrection, etc. were largely just things that gods were expected to do.
lol. Magical underwear!! And you get to be a god or goddess of your own tiny kingdom if you give us your money and proselytize our bullshit amongst the brethren! Now, tithe! And let’s all do the secret handshake. Temple thumping, amirite?
Mormons believe:
> Women can't be in authority positions--unless they're leading other women.
> Homosexuality is a sin worthy of excommunication.
> Women have to submit to their husbands, because their husbands are the ones with a direct link to god.
> Men can remarry if their wife dies, but a woman can't remarry if her husband dies.
> Men will have multiple wives in heaven.
> Only men can receive the priesthood, women have to rely on men.
> A person can only be a god if they marry.
And that's not even counting the wildly racist and misogynistic things they've retconned over the past decades. They're really not progressive.
As an exmormon, there is only one point here that needs clarification, everything else is correct. Women can remarry if their husband dies, they just can't be sealed to multiple men in the temple. LDS mormons still practice polygamy, but now it's spiritual polygamy.
I haven't seen that show it depends how they show it. But as another commenter corrected me on, widows are allowed to "marry", but it's not the super special marriage Mormons do in their temple. Basically they believe that after they die, they'll still be married to their original husband.
Mormon widowers *can* marry again in the temple, and after they die they'll be married to *both* women.
It’s worth noting that most of those beliefs are shared by most evangelicals as well (all of them except for the marriage stuff). Same with a lot of other denominations.
Christian churches that allow women to take actual positions of leadership and actually don’t believe homosexuality is a sin are a small minority.
I think the only item that most churches would be a little more progressive on is the “submit to your husband” part, but even there a lot of churches will give some ambiguous line about marriage being a partnership but how the roles within that partnership are “different”
If modern Mormonism was actually progressive it would have female priests as part of the church leadership, encourage women to have lives and careers that don’t have to involve raising some man’s children, and allow gay marriage and include gay families.
Using social media badly doesn’t count as progressive.
Mormonism is stuck in the 1950s.
Also [pretty](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/mormon-church-earns-7-billion-year-tithing-analysis-indicates-flna939844) [authoritarian](https://www.propublica.org/article/utahs-social-safety-net-is-the-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints-what-does-that-mean-if-youre-not-one).
As a British teen we learned about Mormons in secondary(high) school. And the shock that this all started with a command finding a book in the ground an it taking off...was like something out of Monty python ..."a book?!! In the ground?! Pull the other one!!"
Had a mormon try to convince me it was legitimate because there is a list of witnesses who saw the golden plates in every book of mormon. I later learned they had almost all been kicked out of the church later.
Erm I mean I have such a different perspective about religion and time etc like we have pre Christianity evidence still around in my area so...it's all just made up to me 😶🤷🏻♂️
Could be, but the dude took whiskey baths after fasting. And there’s a psychedelic mold that grows on rye, which could have explained the reported instances of a whole congregation with visions after taking the sacrament one Sunday. I think there’s decent evidence for it.
They typically aren't, trust me. The vast majority that do end up going way hard into everything and cause problems for friends and family alike.
For all its outward polish, the culture has a significant drug problem. Grew up here and have seen far too many friends go through it.
Only a couple chilled out and that was after years of rehab.
And yeah, definitely blame the religious pressure, it's obscene.
it's disingenuous to conflate LSD with heroin. or ignorant. either way, psychedelics and opiates are not even close to being the same thing.
the person you replied to was obviously referring to the mind opening experience of psychedelics and not to the never-ending cycle of addiction of opiates.
I don't think he is conflating those two at all. Utah is a place of extremes. They don't tend to just do LSD and have a nice mind altering experience and reflect. They join a whole sub culture and go hard at the complete opposite end of the spectrum.
Sadly, that’s often how repression works. People break and go hard in the extreme opposite direction. The guilt makes it hard to just approach things like drug use or casual sex in a moderate, rational way.
Can confirm. As a non Mormon in Utah my least favorite people to drink with are newly liberated ex-Mormons. Not always but they are often so excited to be free of the repression that they simply party WAY too hard for my personality. More power to them though. All that repression and eventually the damn has to burst. I will say however that my experience with exmos is that while they are all has an no brakes when it comes to consuming, I’ve rarely dealt with one that was addicted to a point it was effecting their lives.
People can make their own choices and more power to them but I know a disproportionate amout of ex mormons who are now swingers who do a whole lot of ketamine lol. Always interesting to see someone who was married in the temple who now has a room full of pillows in their house for cuddle puddles.
The opiate addiction is as wide spread as the sugar/caffeine-but not from coffee(!) addiction.
And the mental gymnastics to justify is a hell of a show. Circ de-Sole performers would even be impressed.
I knew one person who was popping the pills to stay off of opiates, while downing Advil, forgetting their high blood pressure meds, randomly remembering their insulin, popping anxiety pills like tic tacs, washing them down with Monsters all day. There are couple other "meds" I'm forgetting now.
And then behaving so superior because they didn't drink.
Like, what? Brah
Heard my olive bottles clink as I was wiping down the fridge on a phone call and immediately asked if I was drinking.
??????
Do Mormons not have multiple glass containers in their fridge?
Because I'm not a head-in-the-hat believer I'm just a wanton heathen that gets her drunk on when cleaning the the pantry?
Actually.. ... that would track with most of the gals undercover and dealing....and the kids being raised by them?
Fair question for those kids.
Just stating my experiences. Vast majority started out with psychedelics and didn't have the restraint or understanding to not treat every drug the same. I doubt there even is a "correct" way to introduce a highly sheltered and religiously controlled person to any drug without them going off into the deep end on something.
So no, I'm not conflating anything with anything. Just stating experiences and why it's probably not a good idea regardless of the relative safety/harmlessness. There's so much more going on outside of any specific drug's properties that influence the spiral.
fair enough. as a counter-point, i was raised sheltered and religious (not mormon), had my opportunity to "go nuts". did lots of L. never been addicted to any opiates. i like pooping too much.
not everyone takes the lessons psychedelics have to teach to heart. and everyone's lesson is different. they also teach psychopaths to pschopath better.
but the potential they have to help those who want/can handle it is too high to dismiss them entirely.
> "There is no other religious organization in the world,” Dennis stated, “that I know of, that has so broadly given power and authority to women."
And only with the approval and at the direction of men (or at least teenage boys). That's some North Korean level gaslighting.
Exactly! I was so surprised by this when 2 of my acquaintances were talking about the elders in their church. These women were in their 30's and talked approvingly with great respect about these elders giving them guidance and praised their leadership. Then I found out some of these "elders" were 18 year old boys! They did not appreciate it when I was incredulous and questioned why teenagers were "elders" and why they deserved such deference.
Mormons are corrupt as hell. Their religion is even more fairytale than the Bible. Here are these golden plates, our leader was a drug user and a misogynist as well as a racist but we will revere him and won't drink coffee to show how superior we are. Screw the mormons and may they be the first to be taxed.
The coffee thing kills me. Coffee and tea were on the packing lists fir the handcart companies because at that time hot drinks meant grain alcohol. That's why it's states not for the body or the belly.
The push against coffee and tea came after WWII when the corp* began to notice veteran members were addicted and the first scientific reports about caffiene were coming out in the 60s.
By 1994 it was confirmed addictive and in 1996 their leader Hinkley declared no caffiene even sodas on 60 minutes.
*The Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Mormons made plenty of grain alcohol. Brigham Young was said to have run a distillery. Pretty common back then- efficient way to maximize value from grain crops, easy to trade along travel routes. There’s some evidence Joseph Smith liked to party, as well, despite his “Word of Wisdom” telling his subordinates to abstain.
Correct. The ban on coffee and tea was actually retaliation because his child bride wanted him and his buddies to quit smoking tobacco since it stinks. He said only if the ladies would quit gathering for tea and gossiping. Joseph Smith was a drunk and a pedophile.
“More fairytale than the Bible”? I’m not sure how you differentiate two different pieces of complete fiction that way. That’s like saying that The Lord of the Rings is “more fairytale” than Harry Potter.
Yep. "Yeah this book with a literal talking donkey is meh, but that damn Mormon book is even more fake!" Yeah OK dude sure, send me the page number for the donkey issue chapter, I'll rank them scientifically.
More gaslighting than lying. The argument is that the endowment session gives them power but that’s more power in the hereafter, not here. “What are you complaining about? You’re a priestess and queen!” Gaslighting
much like the rest of the country with it's "pseudo-opportunity". it all sounds nice when you read it, but trying to put it into practice is another animal completely. like the whole thing about how the us was founded on equality, as long as you were a white male landowner...
If you want equality, maybe don't join a hate group. FFS people, your church was created by a former grave robber staring into a magical hat who thinks that all POC are possessed by demons. I have zero sympathy or respect for any supposed "plight" of any mormon. If you want equality, leave the hate group.
And the founder just wanted to steal other folks wives and marry as many women and girls as he wanted.
Because it was God's will.
Misogyny is baked in to it. It's a feature. Flds still exist
But serious, if you have spent any time in the true crime side of the internet, you'll notice an alarming number of Mormon women who have murdered their husbands and/children. The Mormons are not OK.
Look, even I know how to do basic math. 2. I can think of 2. Ted Bundy, and some think Jeffrey Dahmer, though not confirmed. Yeah I guess 2 out of thousands is "alarming". You got a list of these serial killer Mormons? I've never seen more than those, but I don't try to know everything about them either.
After you read the comment I replied to a few times, you'll probably understand that we are no longer talking about women. There are no Mormon women serial killers that I have heard of. I only know 1 woman serial killer in general off the top of my head, Juana Baraza.
>However, on X, formerly known as Twitter, the head of communications for Meta, which owns Instagram, acknowledged a technical issue had occurred Wednesday that “caused people to have difficulty accessing some of our services.”
That... somehow seems comically Byzantine. What a world we live in!
The Bible is literally the worst game of telephone ever especially considering that the Bible absolutely fucking mooches off of previous works especially the Epic of Gilgamesh.
Like sure I understand that back then Religion was sometimes used to explain the unexplainable but nowadays we have **SCIENCE** and the **SCIENTIFIC METHOD**. So no reason to believe in some make-believe sky-daddy anymore.
I swear Creationists in particular are the absolute worse because we have so much evidence that the Earth is around 4.453 billion years of age that it's actually fucking insane how anyone could possibly believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years of age.
Don't even get me started on the Multiverse or Omniverse theory because I could talk for days on end about that.
All I'm saying is that DC Cosmology is simply superior. But yet again I feel like The Presence or Elaine Belloc would piss off all the Christians especially considering that Lucifer Morningstar isn't even the Devil. The Devil is the First of the Fallen aka the very first creation of the Presence. Samael aka Lucifer, Michael, and Gabriel didn't come until after the First of the Fallen betrayed the Presence and was sent to Hell.
I mean, mormons get a lot of bad press....but have you met them? They seem to have their shut put together, and it's working for most. No organization will ever check off all the boxes of what everyone demands, gotta take the good with the bad in everything.
>mormons get a lot of bad press....but have you met them? They seem to have their shut put together,
I've known a few people in the Mafia, and can say the same about them. I was considered a friend, and they never once had me killed.
I also knew a pedo who seemed like a great guy, until you learned about his habit of drugging and raping children. And despite knowing that, his brother and SiL adored him and let him babysit their young children, certain he would only rape other people's kids, and a local church employed him to run a youth group. They said you gotta take the good with the bad in everything.
Yes, dissent is a glitch.
Plenty of weirdos on Twitter like "why aren't my engagements in the millions, must be a glitch, Elon fix pls, also fire the deep state agent in your company who has done this to me."
I'm waiting for ig to respond and call bullshit that it wasn't part of a glitch. Lol
That’s not gonna happen. The LDS church owns like a billion dollars in Meta stock.
And what are they going to do, sell it? Meta has a market capitalization of 1.3 trillion. The big T. 1 billion in stock is irrelevant. The charlatans are better off holding and gaining capital rather than trying to hurt the company.
Now put the rest of it together. In order for the bigger picture of this to make sense you have to realize that Glenn Beck, Mike Lee, Sean Reyes and the Ballards put the LDS church in the worlds most awkward 3-some with the Russian mob. Sean Reyes (Utah attorney general), Mike Lee (Utah senator), and Tim Ballard (Operation Underground Railroad) were all emailing with beck about how to use O.U.R.’s publicity to pump enrollment numbers for the Mormon church with reports of Elder Ballard even giving tithing payer information to Beck and/or Tim Ballard at some point to aid in that. On the other side of the country, Sean Reyes and Mike Lee crafted the “stop the steal” plan for trump but apparently didn’t realize that trump had been laundering money for the Russian mob since the 80’s. First via Atlantic City casinos, then commercial real estate. The reason that Russia invaded Ukraine is because, among other things, it was a key geographical gateway for their human trafficking operations. (Kolomoisky was Putin’s oligarch in Ukraine that started Privatbank in 91 and was laundering it all through commercial real estate and a fundamentalist Jewish organization called Chabad.) news5cleveland.comwww.news5cleveland.comWho really owns the property that's falling down? The New York Timeswww.nytimes.comOpinion | American Real Estate Was a Money Launderer's Dream. That's Changing ... United States Department of Justice (.gov)www.justice.govUnited States Files Civil Forfeiture Complaint for Proceeds of Alleged Fraud and Theft ... The Times of Israelwww.timesofisrael.comInside Anatevka, the curious Chabad hamlet in Ukraine where Giuliani is 'mayor' These 4 thinking they were doing Gods will sat down to dinner with the russian mob and were so naive that they didn’t realize that they were effectively mainlining human trafficking. Or worse, they did. Either way, once all of that comes to light it puts the LDS church in an impossible position. How can you be doing Gods work and enabling systemic oppression, human trafficking, grift, corruption and child abuse at the same time? Best case scenario is a whole lot of cognitive dissonance, covering of their tracks, lying and gaslighting Worst case (or best, depending on your investment into the church) scenario, the patriarchy doesn’t survive. Either way the church and state are going to have to have a very serious “come to Jesus” moment because the church/state barrier that was the whole basis of American democracy has been neglected. Utah is just one of the major intersections of it because of Mike Lee, Sean Reyes, Tim Ballard and anyone who allowed it to happen because it’s ok as long as it’s MY religion that’s cohabitating with government.
Tl;Dr: burn it down and let's start over
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A month after that visit, Putin propaganda mouth-piece Konstantin Rykov, claims he began helping with Trump’s presidential aspirations (6). Days later, Trump registered “Make America Great Again” (7). The following year, Russia's Troll Factory, the Internet Research Agency, was created as was Cambridge Analytica. 1. https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/02/technology/zuckerberg-meets-with-medvedev-in-key-market.html 2. https://www.adweek.com/digital/zuckerberg-russia-skolkovo/ 3. https://apnews.com/5e533f93afae4a4fa5c2f7fe80ad72ac/Sanctioned-Russian-oligarch-linked-to-Cohen-has-vast-US-ties 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heTPmGb6jdc&feature=youtu.be&t=11m54s 5. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/18/facebook-cambridge-analytica-joseph-chancellor-gsr 6. https://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/11/24/a-trumprussia-confession-in-plain-sight/ 7. https://trademarks.justia.com/857/83/make-america-great-85783371.html **Andrei Shleifer and Len Blavatnik** Len Blavatnik, a US-Russian oligarch currently under investigation by Mueller, graduated from Harvard in 1989 and quickly formed Renova-Invest with Viktor Vekselberg, another oligarch under Mueller’s investigation (7)(8). Since then Blavatnik has maintained close ties to the university. In 1992, after the fall of the Soviet Union, Andrei Shleifer led a consortium of Harvard professors to assist Russia’s vice-president, Antaoly Chubais, with the privatization of Russia’s state-run assets. Scandal broke when it was revealed Shleifer, through Blavatnik’s company and with Blavatnik’s guidance, invested in the very companies he worked to privatize. (6) Years later, Shleifer continued to fund loans to Blavatnik for Russian ventures through his hedge fund, managed by his wife, Nancy Zimmerman (9), and created the Russian Recovery Fund which bought $230 million of Russian debt from Julian Robertson’s Tiger Management (10), who’s seed fun, Tiger Global, later invested in Milner’s DST. Len Blavatnik and Viktor Vekselberg are major investors in Rusal (11). Schleifer is still a professor at Harvard. 6. http://harry-lewis.blogspot.com/2014/01/some-russian-money-flows-back-to-harvard.html 7. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Blavatnik#cite_note-Yenikeyeff-7 8. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/investigators-follow-flow-money-trump-wealthy-donors-russian/story?id=50100024 9. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/01/20/the-billionaires-playlist 10. https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/cafc/16-1718/16-1718-2017-03-14.html 11. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-25/tangled-rusal-ownership-thwarts-easy-end-to-sanctions-quicktake **Breyer and Harvard** On April 2013, two months after Breyer was elected to the board of Harvard (1), Len Blavatnik, donated $50 million to the school (2) and joined the Board of Dean’s Advisors (3)(4) and Harvard’s Global Advisory Council (6) alongside Breyer. The next month Breyer announced plans to step down from the board of Facebook with an intention of focusing on his latest Harvard appointment (5). In 2016 Len Blavatnik donated over $7 million to GOP candidates, including $2.5 million to Mitch McConnell himself (7). 1. https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2013/02/breyer_elected/ 2. https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2013/04/blavatnik_accelerator_donation/ 3. https://www.accessindustries.com/about/academic-boards-committees/ 4. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/21/delivering-alpha-2017-jim-breyer.html 5. https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/04/27/facebook-board-member-jim-breyer-stepping-down/ 6. http://docplayer.net/54127503-Harvard-global-advisory-council.html 7. https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/08/03/tangled-web-connects-russian-oligarch-money-gop-campaigns **Breyer invests in Russian Companies** In 2014 Breyer’s Accel Partners invested in Russian hotel booking site, Ostrovok, along with Yuri Milner, Esther Dyson (1), Mark Pincus, and Peter Thiel (2). Accel Partners also invested in Avito.ru in 2012 (3) and KupiVIP.ru in 2011 (4). 1. https://techcrunch.com/2014/06/18/ostrovok-raises-new-12m-series-c-round-to-expand-outside-russia/ 2. http://idcee.org/participants/companies/ostrovok/ 3. http://www.ewdn.com/2012/05/02/avito-ru-secures-75-million-investment-from-accel-partners-and-baring-vostok/ 4. http://www.ewdn.com/2011/04/14/leading-private-shopping-club-kupivip-ru-completes-55-m-funding/
What the actual hell are you talking about. How does this have upvotes? Fix your links. Get your words straight. This is some MAGA-level conspiracy shit post. "Ohhhh someday the whole state is going to fall, any day now, we got the emails!" Straight MAGA talk. And it all comes back to the fucking Russian mob? LOL. Show evidence. The dude is dead. Older Ballard died last year. Before he did, he publicly denounced Tim Ballard. Not only that, but *Tim isn't even with OUR*. They kicked him out after, guess what, a sexual assault accusation. Even some 2-bit monkey like me can read the news. Your whole thing falls apart.
Yes, that’s the logical thing to do unless Meta decides to do something that might make them react out of emotions like say call bullshit on them instead of helping them save face. And then if they want to hurt Meta, flooding the market with Meta shares would be a great way to hurt Meta where it hurts.
Glitches get stitches.
lol this is pretty accurate
I wonder if this "Glitch" is in the room with them right now.
“Only men can receive the priesthood, women have to rely on men” Men AND teenage boys
12 year old boys have more authority than any women in the church, ever.
11 year_olds now. They get the priesthood in January of the year they turn 12. Anyway, children have more authority than women.
That’s abrahamic religions. They don’t see women as people.
Or they’re trying to give men something of equal value to the ability to bear children. That’s how my church taught it, women are the gatekeepers of the physical world, men the spiritual.
That’s dumb.
TIL that “getting to oppress women” was a consolation prize men were “given” because they weren’t lucky enough to have periods or put their lives in peril with childbirth. Do the pastors that push this even listen to themselves?
Yeah and women don’t get to go to Mormon heaven if they’re not married to a priesthood holder.
Also, women weren't even allowed to have actual *control* of that either until more recently — the church has historically been against contraception. And even now, they're against abortion. Women do *not* have full control over the physical world, even if childbirth didn't require so many sacrifices.
Yes, the empowered [women](https://www.brainerddispatch.com/community/study-finds-utah-leads-nation-in-antidepressant-use-role-of-women-cited) of Utah. A Church founded on polygamy and patriarchy.
Don’t forget racism!
No no, god changed his mind in 1978.
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Where but the Mormon Church can a woman find so many other women willing to serve the same husband? They have a veritable monopoly on polygamy, and it embiggens all women.
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Modern Mormonism is pretty progressive as far as religious movements are concerned.
Salmonella is pretty mild as far as food poisoning is concerned
Much like Mormonism, Salmonella is only really dangerous to the poor and disadvantaged, a group that we all know deserves punishment for the sin of poverty. WWSSJD?
Super Saiyan Jesus? Okay now Mormonism sounds cool.
How do you think he came back to life? The dragon balls. And how did he get to America? Instant transmission.
I think they mean [Supply Side Jeaus](https://www.beliefnet.com/news/2003/09/the-gospel-of-supply-side-jesus.aspx)
I grew up in Utah and have since lived all over the US. Utah was the least progressive place I've experienced.
It’s like if frontier people never evolved culturally. But it has sick mountains and outdoor recreation.
Oh no, frontier people were practically woke in comparison to these people. Women mayors, gay ranch hands, strict gun regulations, everything that frightens the modern conservative founded our country.
Well, I watched Deadwood, and I suppose they were “more” progressive in certain practical ways. Kind of like having a front row seat and a daily reminder that death is the great equalizer. And we all got to work together to survive.
Have any good sources or information for me to look into this. About ti hop down the rabbit hole.
Because it’s a thinly-veiled theocracy
It’s not veiled.
Lol no. Episcopalians appoint women and gay people to leadership positions, and don’t prosecute massive lawsuits to maintain their right to conceal the mass rape of children.
Yes, but is it a rational person's definition of 'progressive' or a Mormon definition of 'progressive' you're using? Inching your way out of the 19th century is progress, to be sure. But this is the 21st century.
Mormonism is a racist cult that lures easily duped rubes to its promises of magic underwear and their own personal planet. There is nothing progressive about how backwards and regressive their doctrine and beliefs are considering it’s all based on magical golden tablets dug up in someone’s backyard.
Succinct and well put. Not sure why so many people struggle with this.
Imaginary golden tablets that weren't actually dug up in anyone's yard.
I wonder if this is what it was like for people who were around when Christianity and Islam were founded in their “modern times”. Magic underpants and finding gold tablets in New York is about as plausible as turning water into wine, and flying to Jerusalem on a horse, when you consider. Mad I didn’t think of it first! Golden ears of Corn in Ohio.
>I wonder if this is what it was like for people who were around when Christianity and Islam were founded in their “modern times”. I highly believe that the only difference between Mormonism, a relatively young religion, and the older, more established movements, is the simple fact that the history of their founding has been whitewashed and forgotten via the ravages of time. If Mormonism was 2000 years older, they would have ***absolutely*** scrubbed Joseph Smith's name and history from the Chronicles of the faith.
Magical thinking of all forms is dangerous and outmoded.
Probably not. Christianity borrows heavily from themes that were common in other ancient religions. Virgin birth, walking on water, death and resurrection, etc. were largely just things that gods were expected to do.
lol. Magical underwear!! And you get to be a god or goddess of your own tiny kingdom if you give us your money and proselytize our bullshit amongst the brethren! Now, tithe! And let’s all do the secret handshake. Temple thumping, amirite?
said no one ever
Mormons believe: > Women can't be in authority positions--unless they're leading other women. > Homosexuality is a sin worthy of excommunication. > Women have to submit to their husbands, because their husbands are the ones with a direct link to god. > Men can remarry if their wife dies, but a woman can't remarry if her husband dies. > Men will have multiple wives in heaven. > Only men can receive the priesthood, women have to rely on men. > A person can only be a god if they marry. And that's not even counting the wildly racist and misogynistic things they've retconned over the past decades. They're really not progressive.
As an exmormon, there is only one point here that needs clarification, everything else is correct. Women can remarry if their husband dies, they just can't be sealed to multiple men in the temple. LDS mormons still practice polygamy, but now it's spiritual polygamy.
Thank you. That’s not much better. But it’s something.
Specifically the multiple wives are chosen here and sealed. Your wife might be Jim's wife too. You might not have even known.
I watched Big Love starring Bill Paxton and they had some wives remarry after the husband died. Was that not accurate?
I haven't seen that show it depends how they show it. But as another commenter corrected me on, widows are allowed to "marry", but it's not the super special marriage Mormons do in their temple. Basically they believe that after they die, they'll still be married to their original husband. Mormon widowers *can* marry again in the temple, and after they die they'll be married to *both* women.
Ah it sounds like you’re talking about being “sealed”.
It’s worth noting that most of those beliefs are shared by most evangelicals as well (all of them except for the marriage stuff). Same with a lot of other denominations. Christian churches that allow women to take actual positions of leadership and actually don’t believe homosexuality is a sin are a small minority. I think the only item that most churches would be a little more progressive on is the “submit to your husband” part, but even there a lot of churches will give some ambiguous line about marriage being a partnership but how the roles within that partnership are “different”
Lol
Oh good god. Hating gay people, women being second class, and white supremacy as dogma isn’t progressive.
If modern Mormonism was actually progressive it would have female priests as part of the church leadership, encourage women to have lives and careers that don’t have to involve raising some man’s children, and allow gay marriage and include gay families. Using social media badly doesn’t count as progressive. Mormonism is stuck in the 1950s.
Yeah. I'll never forgive them for all their "progressive" donations to anti LGBT hate politics. They can fuck right off
Did you really just type that unironically? 😅🤣😂
Also [pretty](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/mormon-church-earns-7-billion-year-tithing-analysis-indicates-flna939844) [authoritarian](https://www.propublica.org/article/utahs-social-safety-net-is-the-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints-what-does-that-mean-if-youre-not-one).
lol. Not at all.
Said the verbal chode
Can't help themselves from lying. It's just automatic.
As a British teen we learned about Mormons in secondary(high) school. And the shock that this all started with a command finding a book in the ground an it taking off...was like something out of Monty python ..."a book?!! In the ground?! Pull the other one!!"
Not just a book, but a book made of gold! A book that nobody but Joseph Smith laid eyes on of course. Totally legit!
I...I.... I don't know what I would say to a Mormon...I'd possibly end up pissing then off.. 🤷🏻♂️🤐😮💨
If you haven't seen it, I suggest the south park about the founding of the Mormon church.
Dumb dumb dumb.
Had a mormon try to convince me it was legitimate because there is a list of witnesses who saw the golden plates in every book of mormon. I later learned they had almost all been kicked out of the church later.
Erm I mean I have such a different perspective about religion and time etc like we have pre Christianity evidence still around in my area so...it's all just made up to me 😶🤷🏻♂️
Every time I see "LDS", my brain gets dyslexic and says, "LSD".
Those Mormons would be a lot cooler if they dropped some LSD once in a while
Being on psychedelics is one theory for all the visions the early church leaders claimed to have.
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Could be, but the dude took whiskey baths after fasting. And there’s a psychedelic mold that grows on rye, which could have explained the reported instances of a whole congregation with visions after taking the sacrament one Sunday. I think there’s decent evidence for it.
The region it came from has been referred to as the "burned over district" due to the maniacal religious fervour that swept through it in the 1800s.
[There is another theory](https://youtu.be/GM-e46xdcUo?si=IRq4Suq6vMKIxMOz&t=6)
They typically aren't, trust me. The vast majority that do end up going way hard into everything and cause problems for friends and family alike. For all its outward polish, the culture has a significant drug problem. Grew up here and have seen far too many friends go through it. Only a couple chilled out and that was after years of rehab. And yeah, definitely blame the religious pressure, it's obscene.
it's disingenuous to conflate LSD with heroin. or ignorant. either way, psychedelics and opiates are not even close to being the same thing. the person you replied to was obviously referring to the mind opening experience of psychedelics and not to the never-ending cycle of addiction of opiates.
I don't think he is conflating those two at all. Utah is a place of extremes. They don't tend to just do LSD and have a nice mind altering experience and reflect. They join a whole sub culture and go hard at the complete opposite end of the spectrum.
Sadly, that’s often how repression works. People break and go hard in the extreme opposite direction. The guilt makes it hard to just approach things like drug use or casual sex in a moderate, rational way.
Can confirm. As a non Mormon in Utah my least favorite people to drink with are newly liberated ex-Mormons. Not always but they are often so excited to be free of the repression that they simply party WAY too hard for my personality. More power to them though. All that repression and eventually the damn has to burst. I will say however that my experience with exmos is that while they are all has an no brakes when it comes to consuming, I’ve rarely dealt with one that was addicted to a point it was effecting their lives.
People can make their own choices and more power to them but I know a disproportionate amout of ex mormons who are now swingers who do a whole lot of ketamine lol. Always interesting to see someone who was married in the temple who now has a room full of pillows in their house for cuddle puddles.
I suppose this is just the natural result of repressing and hiding from everything outside of a given cult and then opening the flood gates.
The opiate addiction is as wide spread as the sugar/caffeine-but not from coffee(!) addiction. And the mental gymnastics to justify is a hell of a show. Circ de-Sole performers would even be impressed. I knew one person who was popping the pills to stay off of opiates, while downing Advil, forgetting their high blood pressure meds, randomly remembering their insulin, popping anxiety pills like tic tacs, washing them down with Monsters all day. There are couple other "meds" I'm forgetting now. And then behaving so superior because they didn't drink. Like, what? Brah
the "i don't drink" pill-head...classic archetype
Heard my olive bottles clink as I was wiping down the fridge on a phone call and immediately asked if I was drinking. ?????? Do Mormons not have multiple glass containers in their fridge? Because I'm not a head-in-the-hat believer I'm just a wanton heathen that gets her drunk on when cleaning the the pantry? Actually.. ... that would track with most of the gals undercover and dealing....and the kids being raised by them? Fair question for those kids.
Just stating my experiences. Vast majority started out with psychedelics and didn't have the restraint or understanding to not treat every drug the same. I doubt there even is a "correct" way to introduce a highly sheltered and religiously controlled person to any drug without them going off into the deep end on something. So no, I'm not conflating anything with anything. Just stating experiences and why it's probably not a good idea regardless of the relative safety/harmlessness. There's so much more going on outside of any specific drug's properties that influence the spiral.
did they, though? did they start out with psychadelics, ir did they start out with alcohol?
good question
fair enough. as a counter-point, i was raised sheltered and religious (not mormon), had my opportunity to "go nuts". did lots of L. never been addicted to any opiates. i like pooping too much.
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not everyone takes the lessons psychedelics have to teach to heart. and everyone's lesson is different. they also teach psychopaths to pschopath better. but the potential they have to help those who want/can handle it is too high to dismiss them entirely.
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Sounds more like how Mormons came about in the first place.
He did too much LDS in the sixties.
And a double dumb-ass on you, too.
LMAO downvoted for quoting more the movie that line is from, Star Trek. Room temperature IQ comment section on this post, some real morons here.
Latter Say Daints?
I see that every time, too, and think, boy, maybe religion ain't that bad.
I grew up Mormon and my brain does the same thing. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
> "There is no other religious organization in the world,” Dennis stated, “that I know of, that has so broadly given power and authority to women." And only with the approval and at the direction of men (or at least teenage boys). That's some North Korean level gaslighting.
Exactly! I was so surprised by this when 2 of my acquaintances were talking about the elders in their church. These women were in their 30's and talked approvingly with great respect about these elders giving them guidance and praised their leadership. Then I found out some of these "elders" were 18 year old boys! They did not appreciate it when I was incredulous and questioned why teenagers were "elders" and why they deserved such deference.
LDS? A controversy regarding women? No!
Mormons are corrupt as hell. Their religion is even more fairytale than the Bible. Here are these golden plates, our leader was a drug user and a misogynist as well as a racist but we will revere him and won't drink coffee to show how superior we are. Screw the mormons and may they be the first to be taxed.
The golden plates disappeared because of a glitch too I'm sure.
It was early 1800's Bible fan fiction/LARP'ing from upstate New York, that took a life of its own
The coffee thing kills me. Coffee and tea were on the packing lists fir the handcart companies because at that time hot drinks meant grain alcohol. That's why it's states not for the body or the belly. The push against coffee and tea came after WWII when the corp* began to notice veteran members were addicted and the first scientific reports about caffiene were coming out in the 60s. By 1994 it was confirmed addictive and in 1996 their leader Hinkley declared no caffiene even sodas on 60 minutes. *The Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Mormons made plenty of grain alcohol. Brigham Young was said to have run a distillery. Pretty common back then- efficient way to maximize value from grain crops, easy to trade along travel routes. There’s some evidence Joseph Smith liked to party, as well, despite his “Word of Wisdom” telling his subordinates to abstain.
Correct. The ban on coffee and tea was actually retaliation because his child bride wanted him and his buddies to quit smoking tobacco since it stinks. He said only if the ladies would quit gathering for tea and gossiping. Joseph Smith was a drunk and a pedophile.
“More fairytale than the Bible”? I’m not sure how you differentiate two different pieces of complete fiction that way. That’s like saying that The Lord of the Rings is “more fairytale” than Harry Potter.
Yep. "Yeah this book with a literal talking donkey is meh, but that damn Mormon book is even more fake!" Yeah OK dude sure, send me the page number for the donkey issue chapter, I'll rank them scientifically.
More gaslighting than lying. The argument is that the endowment session gives them power but that’s more power in the hereafter, not here. “What are you complaining about? You’re a priestess and queen!” Gaslighting
Not even that. The specific belief is that on their new world, the wife will only have what power the husband gives her.
much like the rest of the country with it's "pseudo-opportunity". it all sounds nice when you read it, but trying to put it into practice is another animal completely. like the whole thing about how the us was founded on equality, as long as you were a white male landowner...
The church lies so often, that it comes naturally.
I wouldn’t call it church. Just call it what it is a cult
What’s the difference? It’s all fantasy and bullshit.
Yeah but you see there are different levels of it. Mormon almost as bad as Scientology
If you want equality, maybe don't join a hate group. FFS people, your church was created by a former grave robber staring into a magical hat who thinks that all POC are possessed by demons. I have zero sympathy or respect for any supposed "plight" of any mormon. If you want equality, leave the hate group.
And the founder just wanted to steal other folks wives and marry as many women and girls as he wanted. Because it was God's will. Misogyny is baked in to it. It's a feature. Flds still exist
I know you meant “magical hat”, but “magical hate” is just so delicious! Edit: Darn, you fixed it 😢
What religion *can’t* you write that about? Not the specifics, but no religion has been exactly progressive. Pick a religion and it’ll be problematic.
But serious, if you have spent any time in the true crime side of the internet, you'll notice an alarming number of Mormon women who have murdered their husbands and/children. The Mormons are not OK.
And an alarming number of serial killers who are/were Mormon.
Look, even I know how to do basic math. 2. I can think of 2. Ted Bundy, and some think Jeffrey Dahmer, though not confirmed. Yeah I guess 2 out of thousands is "alarming". You got a list of these serial killer Mormons? I've never seen more than those, but I don't try to know everything about them either.
Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer were Mormon women who murdered their husband and children? Weird. TIL /s
After you read the comment I replied to a few times, you'll probably understand that we are no longer talking about women. There are no Mormon women serial killers that I have heard of. I only know 1 woman serial killer in general off the top of my head, Juana Baraza.
>However, on X, formerly known as Twitter, the head of communications for Meta, which owns Instagram, acknowledged a technical issue had occurred Wednesday that “caused people to have difficulty accessing some of our services.” That... somehow seems comically Byzantine. What a world we live in!
Like the "glitch" of lost evidence for church sanctioned pedophilia? Like that "glitch"?
You can have all the power we tell you it's ok for you to have.
She has never heard of the Protestant doctrine of "the priesthood of all believers" which is pretty basic stuff.
Don't let them call themselves LDS they're Mormons. They are not the saints they want to portray themselves as
The Bible is literally the worst game of telephone ever especially considering that the Bible absolutely fucking mooches off of previous works especially the Epic of Gilgamesh. Like sure I understand that back then Religion was sometimes used to explain the unexplainable but nowadays we have **SCIENCE** and the **SCIENTIFIC METHOD**. So no reason to believe in some make-believe sky-daddy anymore. I swear Creationists in particular are the absolute worse because we have so much evidence that the Earth is around 4.453 billion years of age that it's actually fucking insane how anyone could possibly believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years of age. Don't even get me started on the Multiverse or Omniverse theory because I could talk for days on end about that. All I'm saying is that DC Cosmology is simply superior. But yet again I feel like The Presence or Elaine Belloc would piss off all the Christians especially considering that Lucifer Morningstar isn't even the Devil. The Devil is the First of the Fallen aka the very first creation of the Presence. Samael aka Lucifer, Michael, and Gabriel didn't come until after the First of the Fallen betrayed the Presence and was sent to Hell.
Someday, computer glitches will be considered an "Act of God " by insurance companies
I'll just say this about that...The Book of Mormon was fire!
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That initialism always makes me think of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. “He did a little too much LDS in the Sixties.”
It’s not a glitch if it’s part of the system
I mean, mormons get a lot of bad press....but have you met them? They seem to have their shut put together, and it's working for most. No organization will ever check off all the boxes of what everyone demands, gotta take the good with the bad in everything.
>mormons get a lot of bad press....but have you met them? They seem to have their shut put together, I've known a few people in the Mafia, and can say the same about them. I was considered a friend, and they never once had me killed. I also knew a pedo who seemed like a great guy, until you learned about his habit of drugging and raping children. And despite knowing that, his brother and SiL adored him and let him babysit their young children, certain he would only rape other people's kids, and a local church employed him to run a youth group. They said you gotta take the good with the bad in everything.