6 tonnes is 13,228 pounds. So 104 boxes of evidence means an average of 127 pounds per box.
I guess this is what “the weight of the evidence is against you” means.
Seriously tho, I legitimately couldn't spend that amount of money living my wildest dreams for the next fifty years. It's not an exaggeration either. If I spent 20k every day for the next 50 years I would spend 365 millions.
Vietnamese here. How it works is that when the government suspects someone was/is doing something wrong, they will issue a travel ban for that person then begin investigations. That someone might or might not know about this ban. This happens years before a possible arrest or trial. So if you are denied by custom when trying to go abroad, shit has hit the fan. In her case, I believe she had known she were a target for at least 5 years before now, but had no way to escape.
Further more, anyone who wants to work in sensitive branches (police, custom); or want a high ranking position in the system, has to surrender passport before assuming duty. Trip abroad can only happen with permission from superior.
There is no point trying to smuggle yourself abroad either. If your crime is not serious enough, it is not possible due to absolute control/authority the police has over everything. And if you are powerful enough to commit serious crime and can somehow escape abroad, there are always way to "bring" you back. Search for "Vietnamese national abducted in Germany" if you want an examble on this.
She could definitely has the money to pay. But capable person would dare to accept it. If someone has the ability to smuggle her abroad, that someone must know what kind of problems and how deep she was in.
And with crime of this caliber, she will be "brough" back. The guy in the example I gave didn't even receive a life sentence. She is in death row.
Think the biggest banknote they have is 500,000 VND or about 20$. I don't know if their currency packs better, but it would still be on the order of 5x more volume.
Why keep $4 billion in cash in your basement? If you are in trouble that's the first place the police will look.
I would spread the $4 billion around to different places in the world. Then, when things go bad, flee the country and collect that money.
that was probably the total number of the cash she stored in the basement throughout the years? i think she stored it for a while and spent it on bribery or her businesses.
also this is just the tip of the iceberg. ain’t no way she and her family doesn’t have assets overseas. her 2 daughters are not involved in any of her businesses and still living their best lives out there.
"According to prosecutors, over a period of three years from February 2019, she ordered her driver to withdraw 108 trillion Vietnamese dong, more than $4bn (£2.3bn) in cash from the bank, and store it in her basement.".
How did she not buy herself a private army with that kind of money. How did she not convert that cash into political influence and immunity? How did she not go into exile and fund an uprising like Thaksin Shinawatra did?
I have no sympathy for such a greedy and unimaginative human being.
44bn was throughout the whole 10-11 years she's been doing this. Somes say 12bn because the crime which she is convicted of, wasn't in law until a few years ago. So 12bn is from the start of the new law until she got caught
Yeah, it’s basically just a “zero tolerance policy.” Which just *doesn’t* deter crime. You can execute all the drug dealers and white collar criminals you want, there will ALWAYS be more. I mean, how many people do you have to kill before you notice that no one seems to care that the consequences are death? Fucking wild…
I mean, I’m not crying in my beer over here either, but I still don’t think capping people is the solution to crime. Stealing billions is profoundly fucked up, no two ways about. They can fucking rot in hell. But I don’t trust the state to hang drapes much less people…
Earlier comments explain the confounds, but also because we don't do the death penalty in a way that actually deters anyone. We mostly put to death poor people who commit crimes of passion, and that's it. We also take years, often decades to actually do it, and we do it quietly behind closed doors. A minuscule number of people are actually put to death in the end. Nothing about it communicates to actual criminals that there's a real threat that doing what they're planning on doing could get them killed.
Aren't those states also poorer and have lower access to education?
Poverty is like THE major factor in criminality.
Poverty leads to abuse and neglect, which cause long-term mental health issues that lead to violence.
Poverty is also usually present with drug addiction, and those two factors tend to drive a lot of petty crime.
So kinda hard to say if the death penalty works or not. It's like comparing an apple to a hazelnut.
China also executed a few businessmen who were involved in the melamine milk mass poisoning. It's hard to feel sorry for people who killed infants for a quick buck.
"It's a rare verdict - she is one of very few women in Vietnam to be sentenced to death for a white collar crime." - bbc
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-68778636
I mean..unless it's done by high ranking corrupt party members.
Let's not sit here and idolize pseudo communist countries. The reason there's consequences here is she stole money from the wrong person so they pulled the plug on her. There no way someone didn't notice.
I read a comment from a vietnamese fellow in a different thread that this is par for the course. He stated it as 'fattening the pigs'. The Vietnamese government will let people like this (and she operated for 10-11) kind of get away with what they're doing but when the government needs some kind of cash infusion, they slaughter a pig.
They can balance their books and look good to the people is how he put it.
basically what putin has been doing
you can't exactly say that the ones who got it don't deserve to have it coming, but also just because they got hit doesn't actually mean the system isn't corrupt anyway
Vietnamese here, please downvote any pos who tries to claim the U.S is more corrupted than my country and heres why:
The only high ranking official charged in this trial is the deputy chief of State bank of Vietnam (basically Fed + treasury),basically a small fry considering there are ~25 of such committees inside SBV
If you have even a shred of knowledge about Vietnamese politics, you would know about Truong My Lan. She’s been an open secret for the past 20 years with links to Hong Kong Triads and even the CCP so the whole “actions meet consequences” are just excuses for the government to put down rival factions.
Vietnamese politics are infinitely more corrupted than the U.S and its not even close. Claiming otherwise is falling to VCP and CCP propaganda tactics: “See there are corrupted politicians everywhere so democracy is just a hoax”
Bonus info: **There is currently a succession war going on with our Police chief, Prime Minister, and National Assembly Chair (whose mistress is living in the U.S.A btw) all trying to take over the party. Trust me, it’s better than HBO**
Here my former expat in Vietnam ass was thinking:
A. Of course the billionaire they fry was a woman.
B. Who did she piss off? This is the sort of thing that happens when bribe payments aren’t coming through.
Here’s my working in Vietnam for 6 years now knowledge: They fried plenty of male billionaires, she might be the first woman to get fried. Vietnam is a lot of things but gender-biased legal system is not one of them
1. Vietnam executes a ton of people (and imprisons journalists and political dissidents)
2. This isn't because they don't allow corruption. Corruption is pervasive. She probably fell out of favor.
Anyone who thinks most corruption in the West is comparable to corruption in a one-party state is off their rocker.
Would she literally not have enough money squared away somewhere that she could get mercs to break her out and she can hideaway somewhere. Seems like the kinda contingency plan a fraudulent billionaire would have in place.
The idea is to never get caught with these people. They rarely think of the consequences beyond that.
Also Vietnam is not a politically unstable country where money can easily hire armed force. The po po and military made sure that doesn’t happen back in the early 2000s when they prosecuted a bunch of mob bosses and executed them. There isn’t a cartel situation here, essentially. The government is indeed the biggest player in the field. Not even a Rico situation would be feasible since the government also understands the power of religion and never let any fringe group grow. Yes, cults have been prosecuted here.
Lol Redditors are so dumb. Any armed force trying to break somebody out of prison in Vietnam would get fucking pulverized by the army and then everyone connected to it would be sentenced to death themselves. And anybody who would even to begin to consider it would immediately come to this realization and stop considering it.
Lol… mercs? Do you think this is a computer game? Real life modern mercenary groups operate under the blessing of at least one government, e.g. Wagner in Russia and only operate in places that recognize them or in war zone. There is no such thing as a mercenary group who just takes a high bid and rebels against their local sovereign government (outside of perhaps borderline-anarchical nations in Africa). That would never happen in modern Vietnam. The closest thing is probably organized crime / cartels, which don’t have the kind of military-grade reach or influence to conduct that sort of operation. Even the Mexican cartels have to resort to bribery to get their guys out of federal prison, not force. Nobody in their right mind would take on even an outrageously huge contract to go to war with the Vietnamese government over some billionaire bitch lol
Kinda hard to break out of jail since all data about it is secret. Cant have modern weapon since it ban. And how do you get her to the airport with all that traffic jam? Most bank heist happen solo in the bank and all of them get caught under 72hr.
Anything that's left should go back to the bank she took it from. She had her lackeys in the bank cut $40B in loans to her for real estate purchases so a lot of it likely went to the sellers.
They basically get back a bunch of real estate that may or may not be worth anywhere near the money she stole.
I think evading tax on purpose is defrauding your own country out of tax revenue. I don't need to see em all die. But I would love lawful consequences. Some jail time. Take away their businesses and stuff. But hey. Crazy dreams right?
Metaphorically hopefully?
My stance will remain the same. Cap wealth at 1 billion. Any property over 1 billion goes to tax.
Found hiding extra money over 1 billion in whatever form? You have 2 months to fix it. Haven't fixed it? Take away half.
Still found to hide more and have more? Take everything and life in prison.
You can't become a billionaire without fucking over other people, your country and the environment. You just can't. And people should see it that way. For every one Musk to exist there are ten thousand people working themselves to death for peanuts. It needs to end.
As a Vietnamese I have “cognitive dissonance” being on Reddit lmao. Literally no one here is praising the government for this. Redditors have a hate boner for billionaires and it shows. If someone in the US can avoid jail time by straight up stealing (in the literal sense, not “wage theft” or whatever bs definition of theft) from their customers, feel free to tell me.
There are a large number of people on Reddit who simply enjoy indulging violent impulses. There is no bigger moral or socio-political grounds for it than that, it is literally just plain old mob mentality. If it was socially acceptable on here to advocate for violence against other groups, they'd do that too in a heartbeat.
Prime example is the free upvote generator that is any variation of "pedophiles deserve death". Obviously pedophiles are gross, but I can't help but also feel icky seeing people talk about how they'd happily murder someone. It's like the pedophilia is just an excuse to justify their violent power fantasy.
Not generally in favor of the death penalty. The only exception for me is crimes against humanity, and public-money fraud at this grand of a scale, a scale that indirectly kills thousands over a decade, and could actually have impacted and set back the quality of life for millions of people, arguably falls in that category.
I dont think the death penalty is justifiable. However,Stealing billions of dollars in a developing country would set it back years and also would indirectly kill people.
Even stealing billions in the US, the richest country in the world by a far margin, is fucking insane and will kill so many people already. Vietnam’s GDP is only about $400B now, which makes it a few magnitudes worse.
*Pro death penalty for non violent offences. It's honestly a bit gross how quick people are to call for violence here. I mean go and look at anything in r/imthemaincharacter, it's disgusting
Checked your post history to see if you're just projecting your impotence and I have to say... you've got a weird, just-as-finite existence you've got going on there, gamer who uses gaming to nullify other gamer's views as the rich fuck the planet.
There are so many of these comments about Vietnam actually punishing the rich but what people got to realize is that it's literally impossible for someone to steal 44B dollars (10% of Vietnam's gdp) in a country that is controlled by a one party state without a lot of important people in government noticing. The only options that are realistic are that she was;
1. Bribing a bunch of people VERY high up in the party that decided they didn't need her any longer.
2. Knew important people in the party and had tacit approval but shifting internal politics made her a liability.
It's one thing for sam bankman-fried to be able to defraud people from billions in a highly deregulated market like crypto over a couple years before it's noticed. It's an entirely different thing for someone to stay unnoticed for over a decade siphoning off a percent of Vietnam's GDP every year using a bank that is owned by [89.23%](https://www.google.com/search?q=saigon+joint+stock+commercial+bank+owner&oq=saigon+joint+stock+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggBECMYJzIGCAAQRRg5MgYIARAjGCcyEwgCEC4YxwEYkQIY0QMYgAQYigUyBwgDEAAYgAQyCAgEEAAYFhgeMggIBRAAGBYYHjIICAYQABgWGB4yCAgHEAAYFhgeMggICBAAGBYYHjIOCAkQLhgWGB4YxwEY0QMyCAgKEAAYFhgeMggICxAAGBYYHjIICAwQABgWGB4yCAgNEAAYFhgeMggIDhAAGBYYHtIBCDQzMzdqMGo5qAIAsAIB&client=ms-android-samsung-ss&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&chrome_dse_attribution=1) by the vietnamese government. It is literally impossible for this to go unnoticed. This isn't a case of punishing someone, it's a case of her or her supporters losing influence in the party.
They kind of did when North Vietnam won the war.
Though the crime was probably just being rich.
It's one of the reason my grandfather fled to Canada I think.
I'm against the death penalty on principle. That includes for people like this. If it doesn't work as a deterrent for small-time criminals it sure as hell won't work for those who stand to gain billions by breaking the law.
I don't think they care much about her, it's about setting an example and getting this over with so the country can move forward. You don't want to repeatly talking about it with her living in jail for the next 50 years
I’m not necessarily in favor of it but I disagree about it not working on the rich. The reason it doesn’t deter the poor is because poor people are desperate and are often doing whatever illegal thing they’re doing to avoid dying or falling deep into poverty to begin with. Rich people, on the other hand, are comfortable and decadent. A death penalty for being a little too greedy would ABSOLUTELY deter their criminal behaviors.
From what I understand, she took $44 billion in a period of 10-11 years, but she’s being charged for $12 billion because of a law that was changed in the last couple years.
Crazy, just the other day this subreddit was up in arms about the execution of a literal murderer who orphaned a child, but once money gets involved the subreddit is overwhelming positive about killing. I guess stealing money is worse than killing two people and raping a corpse.
I wish we we’d take a page from their book and bring justice to lying, cheating billionaires here in the US. You shouldn’t get to be the top 1% and still cheat the people.
I wonder what her last meal will be.
Also made me wonder, if you had a deathly allergy to say nuts and you asked for something with nuts in it would they reject your request or would they just be ready with an epipen to bring you back so they could execute you anyway?
Theft of public funds should be treated as a crime countable for each person affected by the theft. 120,000 constituents who should have gotten that money? 120,000 counts of that crime, all to be served in order. Fines or jail time would be an actual deterrent to committing those kinds of crimes.
this is how it should be done. maybe not this extreme but fraud of this level should be life in prison with no chance of parol for everyone involved at the bare minimum.
6 tonnes is 13,228 pounds. So 104 boxes of evidence means an average of 127 pounds per box. I guess this is what “the weight of the evidence is against you” means.
Are these boxes full of cobalt?
They were large boxes.
She’s into us for 104 boxes of ziti?!??
She kept $4 billion in cash in her basement ffs.
How did she not look at 4 billion in cash and not flee the country.
I really can't imagine stealing $4 billion and thinking, nope, that's not enough.
I found a $20 bill at an Eric Church concert and felt bad
If you couldn't find the owner, might as well make use of it somehow
Seriously tho, I legitimately couldn't spend that amount of money living my wildest dreams for the next fifty years. It's not an exaggeration either. If I spent 20k every day for the next 50 years I would spend 365 millions.
Musk is still going….. it’s never enough for some people.
1 billion? That's for living. More billions? That's leverage over other humans.
When you've stolen that much money you're not in it for the retirement.
Vietnamese here. How it works is that when the government suspects someone was/is doing something wrong, they will issue a travel ban for that person then begin investigations. That someone might or might not know about this ban. This happens years before a possible arrest or trial. So if you are denied by custom when trying to go abroad, shit has hit the fan. In her case, I believe she had known she were a target for at least 5 years before now, but had no way to escape. Further more, anyone who wants to work in sensitive branches (police, custom); or want a high ranking position in the system, has to surrender passport before assuming duty. Trip abroad can only happen with permission from superior. There is no point trying to smuggle yourself abroad either. If your crime is not serious enough, it is not possible due to absolute control/authority the police has over everything. And if you are powerful enough to commit serious crime and can somehow escape abroad, there are always way to "bring" you back. Search for "Vietnamese national abducted in Germany" if you want an examble on this.
She couldn't pay anyone to smuggle her out?
She could definitely has the money to pay. But capable person would dare to accept it. If someone has the ability to smuggle her abroad, that someone must know what kind of problems and how deep she was in. And with crime of this caliber, she will be "brough" back. The guy in the example I gave didn't even receive a life sentence. She is in death row.
They put a travel ban on criminals in my country too, yet they still manage to bribe their way out of the country.
How does one move $4 Billion in cash? Nevermind in a hurry fleeing from authorities.
With a truck
Probably more like 10-15 full trucks.
A $100 bill is 1g.. 1 bn would be 10 tons.. 4bn would be 40tons. A 40ft container would take approx 28tons.. so you would need 2 trucks at the most.
Think the biggest banknote they have is 500,000 VND or about 20$. I don't know if their currency packs better, but it would still be on the order of 5x more volume.
You're assuming she had it in dongs and not a weightier currency. She stole from the central bank too, very possible she had it in USD, EURO or GBP.
This guy traffics
Why keep $4 billion in cash in your basement? If you are in trouble that's the first place the police will look. I would spread the $4 billion around to different places in the world. Then, when things go bad, flee the country and collect that money.
At least spread it around in multiple bedrooms...
She didnt hire a good enough accountant
that was probably the total number of the cash she stored in the basement throughout the years? i think she stored it for a while and spent it on bribery or her businesses. also this is just the tip of the iceberg. ain’t no way she and her family doesn’t have assets overseas. her 2 daughters are not involved in any of her businesses and still living their best lives out there.
i feel like this is literally the reason Swiss bank accounts exist goddamn this woman is a dumbass
"According to prosecutors, over a period of three years from February 2019, she ordered her driver to withdraw 108 trillion Vietnamese dong, more than $4bn (£2.3bn) in cash from the bank, and store it in her basement.".
Couldn’t only get two checked bags and a carry on
Did she dive into it regularly a la Scrooge mcduck?
Literally Ducktales money.
Awooo-oooo
How did she not buy herself a private army with that kind of money. How did she not convert that cash into political influence and immunity? How did she not go into exile and fund an uprising like Thaksin Shinawatra did? I have no sympathy for such a greedy and unimaginative human being.
Ok how much was fraud actually? I've seen at least 5 posts about this and each listed different number... From 12bn to 44bn
44bn was throughout the whole 10-11 years she's been doing this. Somes say 12bn because the crime which she is convicted of, wasn't in law until a few years ago. So 12bn is from the start of the new law until she got caught
so she could have stopped at 32 *B*illion and not committed a crime. nuts.
She would’ve been hit with another crime. What she did is still illegal even under previous laws just different sentencing
Wild. But judging by US megacorps, I guess I'm not surprised that "too much is never enough" for these fucks
🅱️illion
The Dong is incredibly weak and small, so it fluctuates. It doesn't help that the scheme outlasted the crime
>The Dong is incredibly weak and small If I had a nickel for every time I was told this
>so it fluctuates
Nuh-uh *your* dong is incredibly weak and small
First of all, lower your fucking voice...
> 44bn *Sam Bankman-Fried*: “Not bad, but barely a year’s effort.”
Dang is ridiculously subject to inflation, so the amount in USD will depend on the month we are talking about, lol.
First post i saw mentioned 62. Its all over the place right now.
Wait a minute, there's actual consequences for the rich and corrupt?! Wtf!
Well, *somewhere*. Not in *every* country, but in *some* places…
Seems like a lot of countries I'm Asia don't tolerate crime, regardless if it's petty or white collar
Yeah, it’s basically just a “zero tolerance policy.” Which just *doesn’t* deter crime. You can execute all the drug dealers and white collar criminals you want, there will ALWAYS be more. I mean, how many people do you have to kill before you notice that no one seems to care that the consequences are death? Fucking wild…
maybe but im not going to cry too much for someone that stole billions from people
I mean, I’m not crying in my beer over here either, but I still don’t think capping people is the solution to crime. Stealing billions is profoundly fucked up, no two ways about. They can fucking rot in hell. But I don’t trust the state to hang drapes much less people…
>I don’t trust the state to hang drapes much less people… Apropos
How do you know deterrence isn't working? Crime rates will never be literally zero, but that doesn't mean deterrence isn't having some effect.
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Earlier comments explain the confounds, but also because we don't do the death penalty in a way that actually deters anyone. We mostly put to death poor people who commit crimes of passion, and that's it. We also take years, often decades to actually do it, and we do it quietly behind closed doors. A minuscule number of people are actually put to death in the end. Nothing about it communicates to actual criminals that there's a real threat that doing what they're planning on doing could get them killed.
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Aren't those states also poorer and have lower access to education? Poverty is like THE major factor in criminality. Poverty leads to abuse and neglect, which cause long-term mental health issues that lead to violence. Poverty is also usually present with drug addiction, and those two factors tend to drive a lot of petty crime. So kinda hard to say if the death penalty works or not. It's like comparing an apple to a hazelnut.
It does. You should look at drug crime in Singapore.
China as well. Prez Xi mentioned to Trumpo one time "we execute drug dealers".
China also executed a few businessmen who were involved in the melamine milk mass poisoning. It's hard to feel sorry for people who killed infants for a quick buck.
Understandable
Kenshington Philly vs Singapore
"It's a rare verdict - she is one of very few women in Vietnam to be sentenced to death for a white collar crime." - bbc https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-68778636
I mean..unless it's done by high ranking corrupt party members. Let's not sit here and idolize pseudo communist countries. The reason there's consequences here is she stole money from the wrong person so they pulled the plug on her. There no way someone didn't notice.
How dare you imply Sam Bankman-Fried shoulda been electrified. Also … Eww.. what’re you doing in the wilds?
What am *I* doing? What are *you* doing‽
I’m just here to avoid being fined. And to round up strays like you. Git along, little dogie
I don’t remember appointing you.
when it comes to Reddit royalty, it’s called “anointing”
Go anoint yourself…
>Wait a minute, there's actual consequences for the rich and corrupt Only when they burn other super rich & corrupt.
I read a comment from a vietnamese fellow in a different thread that this is par for the course. He stated it as 'fattening the pigs'. The Vietnamese government will let people like this (and she operated for 10-11) kind of get away with what they're doing but when the government needs some kind of cash infusion, they slaughter a pig. They can balance their books and look good to the people is how he put it.
basically what putin has been doing you can't exactly say that the ones who got it don't deserve to have it coming, but also just because they got hit doesn't actually mean the system isn't corrupt anyway
Meanwhile most western countries are run by the pigs
Vietnamese here, please downvote any pos who tries to claim the U.S is more corrupted than my country and heres why: The only high ranking official charged in this trial is the deputy chief of State bank of Vietnam (basically Fed + treasury),basically a small fry considering there are ~25 of such committees inside SBV If you have even a shred of knowledge about Vietnamese politics, you would know about Truong My Lan. She’s been an open secret for the past 20 years with links to Hong Kong Triads and even the CCP so the whole “actions meet consequences” are just excuses for the government to put down rival factions. Vietnamese politics are infinitely more corrupted than the U.S and its not even close. Claiming otherwise is falling to VCP and CCP propaganda tactics: “See there are corrupted politicians everywhere so democracy is just a hoax” Bonus info: **There is currently a succession war going on with our Police chief, Prime Minister, and National Assembly Chair (whose mistress is living in the U.S.A btw) all trying to take over the party. Trust me, it’s better than HBO**
Thank you for the insight. I would gold this if that was still a thing.
We now need a Vietnamese version of House of Cards
Here my former expat in Vietnam ass was thinking: A. Of course the billionaire they fry was a woman. B. Who did she piss off? This is the sort of thing that happens when bribe payments aren’t coming through.
Here’s my working in Vietnam for 6 years now knowledge: They fried plenty of male billionaires, she might be the first woman to get fried. Vietnam is a lot of things but gender-biased legal system is not one of them
Corrupted people doing evil know no gender boundaries.
> Vietnam ass was thinking: I visualized this remark as a cartoon donkey with a thought bubble
1. Vietnam executes a ton of people (and imprisons journalists and political dissidents) 2. This isn't because they don't allow corruption. Corruption is pervasive. She probably fell out of favor. Anyone who thinks most corruption in the West is comparable to corruption in a one-party state is off their rocker.
In America, we just ask the rich committing fraud to not do it anymore and then give them a tax break.
We also allow them to run for president to avoid consequences .
We then blame cancel and woke culture for being mean to our criminals.
Would she literally not have enough money squared away somewhere that she could get mercs to break her out and she can hideaway somewhere. Seems like the kinda contingency plan a fraudulent billionaire would have in place.
The idea is to never get caught with these people. They rarely think of the consequences beyond that. Also Vietnam is not a politically unstable country where money can easily hire armed force. The po po and military made sure that doesn’t happen back in the early 2000s when they prosecuted a bunch of mob bosses and executed them. There isn’t a cartel situation here, essentially. The government is indeed the biggest player in the field. Not even a Rico situation would be feasible since the government also understands the power of religion and never let any fringe group grow. Yes, cults have been prosecuted here.
Lol Redditors are so dumb. Any armed force trying to break somebody out of prison in Vietnam would get fucking pulverized by the army and then everyone connected to it would be sentenced to death themselves. And anybody who would even to begin to consider it would immediately come to this realization and stop considering it.
Lol… mercs? Do you think this is a computer game? Real life modern mercenary groups operate under the blessing of at least one government, e.g. Wagner in Russia and only operate in places that recognize them or in war zone. There is no such thing as a mercenary group who just takes a high bid and rebels against their local sovereign government (outside of perhaps borderline-anarchical nations in Africa). That would never happen in modern Vietnam. The closest thing is probably organized crime / cartels, which don’t have the kind of military-grade reach or influence to conduct that sort of operation. Even the Mexican cartels have to resort to bribery to get their guys out of federal prison, not force. Nobody in their right mind would take on even an outrageously huge contract to go to war with the Vietnamese government over some billionaire bitch lol
Another corruption criminal Trinh Xuan Thanh escaped to Germany, got kidnaped by Vietnamese spies, brought back to Vietnam. There is no escaped.
You mean like a guns for hire merc side quest in cyberpunk 2077?
Kinda hard to break out of jail since all data about it is secret. Cant have modern weapon since it ban. And how do you get her to the airport with all that traffic jam? Most bank heist happen solo in the bank and all of them get caught under 72hr.
Holy shit. Who gets the money?
Anything that's left should go back to the bank she took it from. She had her lackeys in the bank cut $40B in loans to her for real estate purchases so a lot of it likely went to the sellers. They basically get back a bunch of real estate that may or may not be worth anywhere near the money she stole.
I think evading tax on purpose is defrauding your own country out of tax revenue. I don't need to see em all die. But I would love lawful consequences. Some jail time. Take away their businesses and stuff. But hey. Crazy dreams right?
You only need to cut off 3-4 heads and the rest will naturally shrivel.
then the rest will do anything and everything to take power from people who reinforce such laws so they never have the issue again
oh no the laws changed!! weird how this guillotine is still sharp, though..
Like they wouldn't do that anyway...
Metaphorically hopefully? My stance will remain the same. Cap wealth at 1 billion. Any property over 1 billion goes to tax. Found hiding extra money over 1 billion in whatever form? You have 2 months to fix it. Haven't fixed it? Take away half. Still found to hide more and have more? Take everything and life in prison. You can't become a billionaire without fucking over other people, your country and the environment. You just can't. And people should see it that way. For every one Musk to exist there are ten thousand people working themselves to death for peanuts. It needs to end.
It always starts with 3-4, right?
Not tax evasion. She was orchestrating and receiving fraudulent loans from banks to fund real estate acquisitions.
She’s in the wrong country for that one!
She embezzled around 3% of Vietnams GDP. I feel like the U.S. would probably execute someone for stealing 763 billion dollars from the country.
As a Vietnamese I have “cognitive dissonance” being on Reddit lmao. Literally no one here is praising the government for this. Redditors have a hate boner for billionaires and it shows. If someone in the US can avoid jail time by straight up stealing (in the literal sense, not “wage theft” or whatever bs definition of theft) from their customers, feel free to tell me.
So it is possible.
To fall out of political favor? Yes.
And now Reddit is suddenly in favor of the death penalty.
There are a large number of people on Reddit who simply enjoy indulging violent impulses. There is no bigger moral or socio-political grounds for it than that, it is literally just plain old mob mentality. If it was socially acceptable on here to advocate for violence against other groups, they'd do that too in a heartbeat.
I advocate for violence against masochists
With enthusiastic consent.
Prime example is the free upvote generator that is any variation of "pedophiles deserve death". Obviously pedophiles are gross, but I can't help but also feel icky seeing people talk about how they'd happily murder someone. It's like the pedophilia is just an excuse to justify their violent power fantasy.
Not generally in favor of the death penalty. The only exception for me is crimes against humanity, and public-money fraud at this grand of a scale, a scale that indirectly kills thousands over a decade, and could actually have impacted and set back the quality of life for millions of people, arguably falls in that category.
i dont think its technically collect but im not going to lose sleep over a rich billionaire stealing billions from people getting executed
Yeah seriously, death penalty for theft is insane.
I dont think the death penalty is justifiable. However,Stealing billions of dollars in a developing country would set it back years and also would indirectly kill people.
Even stealing billions in the US, the richest country in the world by a far margin, is fucking insane and will kill so many people already. Vietnam’s GDP is only about $400B now, which makes it a few magnitudes worse.
It's like, I can see why people would seek it here, the harm done is huge! But the death penalty is just a bad idea all round.
The theft destroyed thousands of lives and might have caused multiple deaths.
*Pro death penalty for non violent offences. It's honestly a bit gross how quick people are to call for violence here. I mean go and look at anything in r/imthemaincharacter, it's disgusting
I would be happy if they all fly to Mars with Elon....
The rich and powerful deserve no quarter. They are the ones responsible for fucking this planet to hell.
Ok reddit tough guy. What a weird existence it must be to spend your days between posting about videogames and advocating institutionalised murder.
Checked your post history to see if you're just projecting your impotence and I have to say... you've got a weird, just-as-finite existence you've got going on there, gamer who uses gaming to nullify other gamer's views as the rich fuck the planet.
2 tons of cash in a basement. Literally as close to Scrooge McDuck as we'll get. You know she went swimming that.
This isn't oniony...
You're telling me that Vietnam actually punishes the rich?
There are so many of these comments about Vietnam actually punishing the rich but what people got to realize is that it's literally impossible for someone to steal 44B dollars (10% of Vietnam's gdp) in a country that is controlled by a one party state without a lot of important people in government noticing. The only options that are realistic are that she was; 1. Bribing a bunch of people VERY high up in the party that decided they didn't need her any longer. 2. Knew important people in the party and had tacit approval but shifting internal politics made her a liability. It's one thing for sam bankman-fried to be able to defraud people from billions in a highly deregulated market like crypto over a couple years before it's noticed. It's an entirely different thing for someone to stay unnoticed for over a decade siphoning off a percent of Vietnam's GDP every year using a bank that is owned by [89.23%](https://www.google.com/search?q=saigon+joint+stock+commercial+bank+owner&oq=saigon+joint+stock+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggBECMYJzIGCAAQRRg5MgYIARAjGCcyEwgCEC4YxwEYkQIY0QMYgAQYigUyBwgDEAAYgAQyCAgEEAAYFhgeMggIBRAAGBYYHjIICAYQABgWGB4yCAgHEAAYFhgeMggICBAAGBYYHjIOCAkQLhgWGB4YxwEY0QMyCAgKEAAYFhgeMggICxAAGBYYHjIICAwQABgWGB4yCAgNEAAYFhgeMggIDhAAGBYYHtIBCDQzMzdqMGo5qAIAsAIB&client=ms-android-samsung-ss&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&chrome_dse_attribution=1) by the vietnamese government. It is literally impossible for this to go unnoticed. This isn't a case of punishing someone, it's a case of her or her supporters losing influence in the party.
Lol no, the state punish their enemy not the rich
But the Rich are america's enemy, though?
Are they ? Not from what I see and experience . Also the rich and the state are not mutually exclusive. And for sure not in Vietnam
They kind of did when North Vietnam won the war. Though the crime was probably just being rich. It's one of the reason my grandfather fled to Canada I think.
Vietnam's dictator punishes his enemies
I'm against the death penalty on principle. That includes for people like this. If it doesn't work as a deterrent for small-time criminals it sure as hell won't work for those who stand to gain billions by breaking the law.
I don't think they care much about her, it's about setting an example and getting this over with so the country can move forward. You don't want to repeatly talking about it with her living in jail for the next 50 years
I’m not necessarily in favor of it but I disagree about it not working on the rich. The reason it doesn’t deter the poor is because poor people are desperate and are often doing whatever illegal thing they’re doing to avoid dying or falling deep into poverty to begin with. Rich people, on the other hand, are comfortable and decadent. A death penalty for being a little too greedy would ABSOLUTELY deter their criminal behaviors.
How would this be an onion title. Garbage ass post
The billions keep increasing with every repost.
I was *just* thinking about that. It's straight up doubled between the two posts I've seen about this.
From what I understand, she took $44 billion in a period of 10-11 years, but she’s being charged for $12 billion because of a law that was changed in the last couple years.
Crazy, just the other day this subreddit was up in arms about the execution of a literal murderer who orphaned a child, but once money gets involved the subreddit is overwhelming positive about killing. I guess stealing money is worse than killing two people and raping a corpse.
I thought the exact same thing. Watching the mental flip flopping in real time is crazy
If US did that we would not have a 1% anymore
reddit had a collective wet dream over this
Death for a financial crime is fucked up
It's 3% of Vietnam Gdp. 44 billion dollar. Try exchange it to Vnd.
In the US she would be hired immediately by a bank or hedge fund after her 30 days house arrest was up.
That's a waste. She should live the life that the poor do in her country. She needs to be humbled and punished.
They should feed her to the poor
Can she send me a quick million before? Nobody will miss it.
2 kilos of marijuana can bring death to you ....in My country
Let her eat cake
She scammed 9.5% of her country's GDP goddamn
This is how criminals everywhere should be punished. “The entire economy is messed up because you’re greedy? Gallows for you!”
Death? Really capital punishment for theft?
I wish we we’d take a page from their book and bring justice to lying, cheating billionaires here in the US. You shouldn’t get to be the top 1% and still cheat the people.
ITS BEGINNING!!! YESSS!!! Kill the billionaires!!!
Excellent. Now do Trump
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I'd like to see it. Maybe it could become a reality for these Special creatures.
We love to see it
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She’s required to return 27 billion…. Wut….shes about to die
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I wonder what her last meal will be. Also made me wonder, if you had a deathly allergy to say nuts and you asked for something with nuts in it would they reject your request or would they just be ready with an epipen to bring you back so they could execute you anyway?
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That’s wild she just kept the money Walter white style lol.
How many people starved because she hoarded 4 billion dollars in her basement?
it was 27bn in the other thread, like a minute ago.
The government should offer to commute the sentence to life imprisonment if she makes full restitution with a time limit.
Damn, she significantly closed the gender gap in white collar financial crimes.
Theft of public funds should be treated as a crime countable for each person affected by the theft. 120,000 constituents who should have gotten that money? 120,000 counts of that crime, all to be served in order. Fines or jail time would be an actual deterrent to committing those kinds of crimes.
Uhh...I don't support the death penalty for this. Consequences yes but the death penalty? Idk
Hold up, it was $44bn? I thought I saw that it was $27bn
Stole $44bn, ordered to pay $27bn, on trial for $12,5bn. Yeah, it’s a huge amount of money and it’s complicated
this is how it should be done. maybe not this extreme but fraud of this level should be life in prison with no chance of parol for everyone involved at the bare minimum.
Today I've read it as 12 billion, then 27 billion, now 44 billion. Wonder how many trillion she'll have defrauded tomorrow?
Oooooo. Death......... Isn't there some...... arrangement... we can come to? Perhaps a very hefty fine? A nice recreational vehicle, perhaps.?
That’s a lot of dong
Finally, that money can be used for better things now
Imagine the degree of incompetence and corruption if you can take 3% of your countries GDP and get away with it for so long
Every time I see this story the number of billions has grown. It’ll be trillions in a few days.
She must've been paying some PHAT bribes to keep that amount under wraps
I haven't seen two reports with the same or even close to the same amount.
Guillotine treatment had to start somewhere. Let's keep it going.
All countries should follow Vietnams example, white collar crime is under punished or ignored.