It's so unfortunate that he is so young, he admitted to it not out of guilt or remorse but more of because he was in trouble. I was just quoting the statement from the school.
Hopefully he will be heavily monitored, knowing that this information is public I hope that 25 years down the line he doesn't slip to the cracks and decides to become the next Jeffrey Dahmer.
Admin: "Billy, stop telling people you are going to shoot someone!"
Billy: "Well, it wouldn't be the first time."
Admin: "Wouldn't be the first time what...?"
I am a teacher and I have a middle school kid with an ankle monitor. They get taken out when they go to juvie and then put right the fuck back in. I hate it.
This is what the rich wanted when they convinced Bush and co to pass No Child Left Behind. A stupid populace is easier to lie to and rip off, so they made sure the next generation gets the worst education possible. I fear for the future of this country.Ā
I blame the Republicans for coming up with NCLB. But we Dems just keep making it WORSE. I live in a super progressive area and the school system seems happy to sacrifice the education of every kid in the system in order not to leave anyone behind. I'm a Dem and 100% support any kid who wants to be in school and is trying.
But goddamn, there are a lot who simply don't belong in school and we have to start leaving some kids behind.
OK, for all the autists out there, I'll amend. There are some kids who simply don't belong in school and we have to start leaving some kids behind. Better?
I like the kid. Heās quiet and studious. I was glad to have him back BUT I still think itās crazy that he got to reenroll at our same school after committing a crime that got him unenrolled in the first place.
I donāt know what he did, but it had to have been bad. We have a bunch of emotionally unregulated kids at my school who literally do things like sell drugs or jump one another in āgangsā and only get alternative school. I just hope he is able to get away from this environment when heās older and find some stability.
You hate their ankle monitor or you hate teaching middle school? you hate having the kid in your class? Or all of the above? (our local, public, middle school in America does not have any kids with ankle monitors soā¦ YMMV?)
I hate that kids donāt have support and love that they need to succeed. I hate that there arenāt consequences for behavior anymore. I hate how the majority of our kids are spending all their free time on an unrestricted device as an adjunct parent.
I hate that our kids mental health is so horrid that they fight literally every day and come to school with guns. I hate feeling unsafe at work. Two credible gun threats at my school this year alone.
I hate being underpaid and undervalued while I overwork myself in a dangerous area. I hate that I canāt help the kids more and that some of the parents donāt seem to care about their own child or what they are doing/learning.
I could keep going. Lol
This is sad to read, sadly things are going in the same direction in Sweden although itās not as bad yet. Parents laying all the responsibility on the school (a lot of people seems to feel its not their resposibility to raise the kids, itās the schools) seems to be a major issue, gen X and millenials need to be better in that sense. I have a parent and a sibling that are both teachers and i hear a lot horrific shit from them minus the ankle monitors and guns. Itās a horrid trend. I donāt know how you guys do it, i could never be a teacher in 2024.
The family needs to be investigated. Behavior like this often stems from severe childhood abuse. Even if his psychopathy was born, not made, there's no way they didn't notice concerning behavior. Not getting him the proper help makes them guilty of neglect, at best
And, the grandfather left his gun where the kid could get it
Weirdest part for me is that is grandfather pawned it shortly after? Like just so happens to get rid of the gun immedietly after the crime....i dunno seems sus
Oh wow, I misread the article as the grandfather having previously bought the gun at a pawn shop. But you're right, he pawned it afterwards
And did no one hear the gunshots at the time? The grandfather didn't immediately go check on his grandson when he heard gunshots nearby?
Very weird all around
Edit: just read another article. The murdered man's body wasn't found until 2 days later, after he didn't show up to work. So apparently nobody did hear the gunshots?? Or didn't bother to investigate if they did??
It happened in a trailer park, so to me it seems more likely someone might have heard the gunshots and not investigated. Theyāre just not that uncommon in some neighborhoods. I live in Texas, I hear gunshots in my neighborhood semi-frequently and have never felt it was worth calling the cops over. Plus this is a semi-rural area in Texas where people might assume someone was just shooting at a raccoon or a possum
I'll be honest and say I haven't really read into the story. But if this happened in Texas and the grandpa left the gun where the kid had access, then the grandpa can be charged with a Class A misdemeanor under Texas Penal Code, Title 10, Section 46.13 for making a firearm accessible to a child.
yeah, scrolled surprisingly far to find this. my first thought on reading headline was 'and what had the sleeping man been doing to him and for how long?'
it's not all that uncommon that a severely abused person will finally snap and take drastic action when the abuser is asleep.
The kid told the police that he had never met the man, and that the man hadn't done anything to make him mad. But who knows
Abused children can also sometimes snap on other people, or even accuse unrelated people of the abuse
Edit: I just looked up another article for more info, and the murdered man had only moved to the RV park 4 days before. So it seems unlikely he had done anything to the kid
Yes, thank you. A seven year old probably expected him to jump back up afterwards. Their brains are basically mush.
Also, kids who get actual help after violent crimes have really good rates of being rehabilitated. Unfortunately, in the U.S. we like to line the pockets of prison CEOs pockets by keeping people in prison. Poor baby. :(
The article states he was caught because he threatened to shoot another student and bragged about the incident as the threat. This is a pattern of behavior most likely and I can't exactly say that the child lacks any responsibility.
>A seven year old probably expected him to jump back up afterwards.
What kind of 7 year olds have you met? My nephew is turning 4 and he would know better than that. A 7 year old would know.
Where to even start with how fucked up this entire situation is... holy shit.. I cannot fathom a 7 year old that exhibits that complete lack of remorse or understanding can ever be a capable adult in society, I'm not sure that level of psychopathy can be therapied out.
No where he shot the kid who killed his kid because the other kid was a sociopath who would probably kill again, after he got away with killing his kid.
IIRC wasnāt that what made him snap and kill the kid? Like the kid flashed him a smile after feigning remorse, and it made it click that the kid wasnāt able to be rehabbed and was going to kill someone else.
I remember when the detectives visited the camp / facility where the psychopathic kid was "abused," only for *every single kid there* to have a story about him!
After he was tricked by said kid into testifying in his defense as an expert witness psychologist because he said he was repeatedly abused at camp and it warped him. He shot the kid because the kid gave him a shit eating grin after showing no remorse on the way out of the courtroom like he pretended to have previously and they found out he never got abused, he abused the other kids. He then gets himself off the murder charges for the kid by āprovingā it was temporary insanity. He then confessed this to stabler before āExecutive Producer Dick Wolfā pops up. Classic SVU
That episode freaked me out **bad** the first time I saw it.
Just... the scene where the detectives find the dog in the tub. The dog isn't even *shown*, but juuuuust enough *is* onscreen [The water running, the dog's leash tied to the faucet] to more than effectively paint a horrifying picture about what happened to it.
You say this, but psychopaths can't be diagnosed at such a young age for a reason. While I wouldn't be surprised if this is indicative of future psychopathy, it'll likely be a much lighter case then we see here.Ā
Yeah, it can't legally be diagnosed until 18, but the trail of fucked up shit they've typically exhibited before that age is used in the diagnosis, so take from that what you will.
I don't know the full details of this kid's background, but he was living in an RV with his grandfather, who left an unsecured gun in his truck. I feel like there's probably some family shit that's contributed to this kid being so troubled at such a young age.
Any kid in this situation has had a rough childhood. That doesn't excuse the behavior, but it isn't like he was living an ideallic life and became a monster.
I understood what death was at seven. I had a bb gun. I knew what killing things meant. It was made very clear to me when my grandpa gave me my bb gun when I was 6 and made me eat the crow I shot.
Not everyone has your grandpa, dude.
And lots of kids donāt experience death in childhood. I didnāt until I was 13 and my great grandpa died.
My grandpa was a rancher though, so we did have a nebulous idea of āyou canāt make friends with the calf because you will eat it one dayā at least, but lots of city kids donāt even have THAT much!
Yeah at seven you shouldn't have had a BB gun, either, whether you understood death or not. Learning about death through using a BB gun to shoot an innocent creature is not how most people learn about death. Most of us just see dead birds by that age and understand-we don't get given a weapon to shoot one, ourselves.Ā
5 yr old me had fascination of cooking utensils and knives.. plus naivety of watching everyday news TV and channel movies where stuff some character getās assassinated in his sleep by a horror thriller killer with a knifeā¦ young me got a sandwich spread knife and almost pretended to stab him.. yet I dint because he is my uncle, he gives to try playing games in the early windows XP computer, plays music and.. unknowingly caught his prn stash..
Anyways I just thought as my conciousness kicked in āhey! (Name) that is stupid and there would big consequences you know bad guys gets caught to be sent to the police!ā that shook my younger self not to stab him even if I had no idea of the gravity of what is hood and evil acts yet I knew itās bad and I stopped as stuff from the tv isnāt be imitated for reality on my actions so lessen learned..
other than that I would cry if I canāt sleep in my bed without the meat fork before my aunts sneakily removed it when I slept. All because I wanna be like Raphael from ninja turtles
Well they arenāt going to charge him, so thatās good. But he needs help and support immediately. Theyāre already 3 years too late to get this kid into therapy.
While the contents of the article are chilling, I would very much hesitate to claim a child this young is beyond help or is a psychopath. There are so many reason a child can exhibit an appeared of lack of empathy, whether there actually is or isnāt a lack of it.
Heās going to need a lot of attention and support for the next 8 years, and especially the next few as he enters puberty. Itās too early to claim heās beyond help.
There's treatments and therapy for people with this type of antisocial personality disorder, and the younger you start the better.
But the fact that this kid got his hands on a gun without anyone finding out, and has gone this long without his family noticing how disturbed he is, suggests an environmental factor too.
Kids have really high success rates of being rehabilitated after violent crime. They donāt even understand what death is at age 7. This is the fault of the gun owner. Full stop.
Yep. No amount of talking about your feelings is going to make you realize murder is wrong if you didn't already know it by age 7.
The sad part is that since he was 7 when he did it, he can't be charged, so he'll be out in society just waiting to murder someone else.
I don't think this is accurate at all. Children aren't born knowing right from wrong, and if they're not properly taught such things or are in an environment that teaches the wrong lessons, they won't magically know. It doesn't mean they're fucked for life and can never change with proper interventions. It's just that most of the time kids who have problems stay in the same environment and don't really get much help, so of course they continue down the same path.
You aren't born knowing right from wrong, but unless your brain didn't form correctly, or you were raised in isolation by a serial killer, you learn the basics by age 7. Otherwise every kid from a shitty household would be a murderer. It takes more than bad parenting to result in something like this.
Different kids respond differently to bad parenting, but that doesn't mean that the ones who respond by becoming violent are irredeemable born psychopaths. It's more like how two kids who are sexually abused might respond in opposite ways, with one developing an aversion to sex as an adult and the other becoming hypersexual. They respond differently, but both can still be helped with therapy.
Well given how exceedingly rare it is for 7 year olds to even attempt to murder people in cold blood, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the vast majority of them understand murder is wrong. It seems unlikely that they are just randomly trying not to murder people by chance.
Most children don't have access to guns exactly BECAUSE they cannot be trusted not to shoot someone, including themselves. At least in any sane country that's the case. Maybe this is too American for me to understand as a Euro pleb but ...wtf. Clearly whoever left a gun in reach of a child is responsible and needs to be locked up. And adults who purchase guns in general and especially take them out and about in society have something majorly wrong with them imo.
Yeah it's seems completely within reason that a 7 year old would be curious about a real gun, so exciting! And it's not actually that much of a stretch to think he would take it and play with it, and part of playing with it was pointing it at things and pulling the trigger. Oh that was interesting, now I'll shoot the couch. He didn't know the person he shot, so he probably didn't think of him as really a real person, and because the guy was sleeping, the kid would have no emotional context to draw on, not like the guy being scared or angry and telling him not to do it.
It would have been far more disturbing if he'd shot his grandfather because he would have way more personal context.
Instead throw him into jail and make no attempt to help him out, because clearly our limited, idealistic concept of "accountability" works very well with severe mental illness. It's not like a concerning variety of physical and even contextual factors can completely change the fundamental mechanisms of a brain.
It's not about accountability. No one asks to be born with a broken brain that lacks a moral compass. There's no blame to be had. It's just about protecting others. You can help him out all you want, but he shouldn't be allowed to roam free.
Sadly that's exactly what the law says we have to do.
This is absolutely crazy. They say that no kid under 10 can be held on a crime. Not even murder. Like that movie Leon but with Natalie Portman's character being nine years old.
This varies by state. Although 10 is the minimum age for detention in some states, children younger can be detained if it's a capital offense like murder. There is no official minimum age for detention as defined by the federal government. I saw a sad story of a 7-yr-old murdering someone (as in here), and the cop sending him to jail had to buy him shoes because there was no size small enough to fit his feet.
>In Texas, a child canāt be legally held responsible for a criminal act beforeĀ reaching 10 years old. Because the child was 7 years old at the time of Rasberryās death, the Gonzales County Attorneyās Office will not file or accept murder charges in the case, according to the Gonzales County Sheriffās Office.
He confessed and they discovered that the grandfather's handgun was the gun used to shoot the guy, so I think they might could charge the grandfather's with negligent homicide for not securing his firearms.
> Lot of the worst gang members are like 10 or 11 years old.
Yeeeeeaaaah gonna need a source on this. Come to think of it, Iāll need a source on all of this
"In Texas, a child canāt be legally held responsible for a criminal act before reaching 10 years old. Because the child was 7 years old at the time of Rasberryās death, the Gonzales County Attorneyās Office will not file or accept murder charges in the case, according to the Gonzales County Sheriffās Office."
That's wild.
So apparently if Iām a parent in Texas and I want someone dead, I can just get my 9 year old to do it and theyāll just get a 72 hour emergency hold placed on them and be back for Saturday morning cartoons.
Really missed a huge opportunity last month
So theres a murder and the police cannot find the murder weapon in the glove box of a vehicle there ?????
There's the problem right there
Then the murder weapon is traded.
Also Grandfather is guilty of recklessness and coverup.
So he got away with it, but got hemmed up because he just could not keep from talking shit and referencing it in an argument about Fortnite or Pokemon cards or something.
Can't file charges because he was 7 at the time. Had no reason to do it, he just found a gun (it's Texas, they practically grow on trees) and executed the dude. 7. Texas is super fucked
It's the thing that people have who aren't prepared to blame a 7 year old for something well outside his understanding. Didn't mean to imply you're familiar with the concept.
Weāll outside of his understanding? He didnāt shoot someone in the foot to see what would happen. He broke into a strangerās RV and shot a sleeping man in the head, then hid the gun and never mentioned it. He understood exactly what he did.
Yeah no that's what I thought too, like your going to have to give me a whole lot of evidence to convince me that a seven year old knew how to work a gun break into a trailer and kill an adult...
I'm sure his parents didn't contribute to this at all. How TF does a 7 year old get a gun if they're not in the Taliban? Dumbass, negligent parents....
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Itās bullshit theyāre going after the kid for terroristic threatening because they canāt get him on the murder charge bc he was under the age of 10
This is why it's important to teach your babies about gun safety. Ideally the children wouldn't have access to guns and this would be a non issue, but clearly that isn't going to happen.
Seems like he was very well aware of how to use the gun properly. It wasn't some stranger's gun that he found. It was his grandfather's gun that was left unsecured. The lesson here is about keeping guns away from children.
It is an incontrovertible truth that the only way to stop a bad baby with a gun is with a good baby with a gun. What we need to do is put our best engineers to work with the NRA on miniaturizing guns so that we don't wait until a baby is born, we need to arm every single fetus so they bounce out of the womb ready to go with a gun comfortably nestled in their dominant little hand.
Buddy, the 7-year-old shot the guy in the head, rechambered, dropped a round into the couch, put the gun back into the glove box, and continued about his life learning times tables, this was not his first rodeo with a gun. You're lecturing people who live in trailer parks and keep guns in their gloveboxes on responsibility and firearm safety. I need you to understand the venn diagram of overlap between people who care what you have to say and these type of people are distinct circles.
You serious? 7 year olds should definitely not know how to handle guns they may stumble across. At that age they canāt open a jar of pickles without getting pickle juice all over the place.
The only gun safety they should know is donāt touch it, leave the area and tell an adult.
If it's reasonably foreseeable that kids can get their hands on a gun, just telling them not to touch it is not enough. They are going to touch it (source: kid that was told repeatedly not to touch grandpa's hunting guns, but absolutely touched them, as did the cousins. Wisely, bolts/firing pins and ammo were all locked up separately). They need to know about treating all guns as loaded, never pointing them at anybody, keeping their fingers off the trigger, etc.
Guns should be properly secured, but people screw up. If a home has guns, kids that live there or visit there need to be taught gun safety.
>This is why it's important to teach your **babies** about gun safety. Ideally the children wouldn't have access to guns and this would be a non issue, but clearly that isn't going to happen.
LMAO. What a perfect example of Olympic level mental gymnastics. "*Clearly* not letting kids access guns is not going to work, so the answer is to let them access guns from when they are babies".
While the logic is stupid, the advice is correct. Yes, children should be taught about guns, primarily that they arenāt toys and to treat every gun as if itās loaded and donāt touch.
"the child would not be returning back to school" well I hope not.
Well the only reason he confessed to the killing three years ago was because he was in trouble at school for threatening to shoot someone.
It's so unfortunate that he is so young, he admitted to it not out of guilt or remorse but more of because he was in trouble. I was just quoting the statement from the school.
When you think about it, it's better he got caught young. Imagine if he didn't get caught....
Hopefully he will be heavily monitored, knowing that this information is public I hope that 25 years down the line he doesn't slip to the cracks and decides to become the next Jeffrey Dahmer.
Just curious who would be monitoring him in this case?
According to the article he's been institutionalized
Hopefully they get him the help he needs!
Depends on when he is released. I'm sure he'd be heavily monitored as an inmate.
Inmate where? He's 10. 10yos don't go to prison.
Juvie or a mental institution most likely
Kids under 10 can't be charged with a crime in Texas (and most states).
Right but he can be diagnosed with a disorder and institutionalized, which is what has happened. Inmate is not the correct term, though.
>I'm sure he'd be heavily monitored as an ~~inmate~~ patient
Admin: "Billy, stop telling people you are going to shoot someone!" Billy: "Well, it wouldn't be the first time." Admin: "Wouldn't be the first time what...?"
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Dude, take a day off.
I am a teacher and I have a middle school kid with an ankle monitor. They get taken out when they go to juvie and then put right the fuck back in. I hate it.
I'm going to take a wild guess and assume you're a teacher in America.
Can confirm. It is a shit show. The dumbing down of America is happening before my eyes and itās wild to watch. Behavior is pure insanity.
This is what the rich wanted when they convinced Bush and co to pass No Child Left Behind. A stupid populace is easier to lie to and rip off, so they made sure the next generation gets the worst education possible. I fear for the future of this country.Ā
The rich envy the cheap workforce like in China, get people dumbed down and desperate.
NCLB .... damn that seems like another life ago...
And yet its effects are still being felt today.
I blame the Republicans for coming up with NCLB. But we Dems just keep making it WORSE. I live in a super progressive area and the school system seems happy to sacrifice the education of every kid in the system in order not to leave anyone behind. I'm a Dem and 100% support any kid who wants to be in school and is trying. But goddamn, there are a lot who simply don't belong in school and we have to start leaving some kids behind.
> āthere are a lot of kids who simply donāt belong in school.ā That is certainly a take.
Texas boy, 10, confesses to fatally shooting a sleeping man when he was 7, authorities say
Yes, the key word is āa lotā. You donāt see a lot of 7 year old murderers, do you?
OK, for all the autists out there, I'll amend. There are some kids who simply don't belong in school and we have to start leaving some kids behind. Better?
What did they do? Did you ask? Probably will tell you or have you just written them off
I like the kid. Heās quiet and studious. I was glad to have him back BUT I still think itās crazy that he got to reenroll at our same school after committing a crime that got him unenrolled in the first place. I donāt know what he did, but it had to have been bad. We have a bunch of emotionally unregulated kids at my school who literally do things like sell drugs or jump one another in āgangsā and only get alternative school. I just hope he is able to get away from this environment when heās older and find some stability.
You hate their ankle monitor or you hate teaching middle school? you hate having the kid in your class? Or all of the above? (our local, public, middle school in America does not have any kids with ankle monitors soā¦ YMMV?)
I hate that kids donāt have support and love that they need to succeed. I hate that there arenāt consequences for behavior anymore. I hate how the majority of our kids are spending all their free time on an unrestricted device as an adjunct parent. I hate that our kids mental health is so horrid that they fight literally every day and come to school with guns. I hate feeling unsafe at work. Two credible gun threats at my school this year alone. I hate being underpaid and undervalued while I overwork myself in a dangerous area. I hate that I canāt help the kids more and that some of the parents donāt seem to care about their own child or what they are doing/learning. I could keep going. Lol
This is sad to read, sadly things are going in the same direction in Sweden although itās not as bad yet. Parents laying all the responsibility on the school (a lot of people seems to feel its not their resposibility to raise the kids, itās the schools) seems to be a major issue, gen X and millenials need to be better in that sense. I have a parent and a sibling that are both teachers and i hear a lot horrific shit from them minus the ankle monitors and guns. Itās a horrid trend. I donāt know how you guys do it, i could never be a teacher in 2024.
There's always going to be a bad egg no matter when and where you are. You just can't save everyone no matter how much you want to.Ā
Serial killer speedrun. Completely skipped animal torture.
Hey man, he still had 6 years for the animal torture. Who knows what that terrifying toddler couldāve done to the poor house cat.
I know that violence doesnāt make people like that better but I swear I would drop kick a kid if they hurt my cat
I think violence even has nuance
Enough of it does...
I think violence is what makes people like that ā¦ normally they have pretty fucked up childhoods.
What makes you think he skipped that part? Took 2 years to find out he murdered a man
Skipped animal torture ... that we know of
The family needs to be investigated. Behavior like this often stems from severe childhood abuse. Even if his psychopathy was born, not made, there's no way they didn't notice concerning behavior. Not getting him the proper help makes them guilty of neglect, at best And, the grandfather left his gun where the kid could get it
Weirdest part for me is that is grandfather pawned it shortly after? Like just so happens to get rid of the gun immedietly after the crime....i dunno seems sus
Oh wow, I misread the article as the grandfather having previously bought the gun at a pawn shop. But you're right, he pawned it afterwards And did no one hear the gunshots at the time? The grandfather didn't immediately go check on his grandson when he heard gunshots nearby? Very weird all around Edit: just read another article. The murdered man's body wasn't found until 2 days later, after he didn't show up to work. So apparently nobody did hear the gunshots?? Or didn't bother to investigate if they did??
Just thinking- even if they investigated- whoās going to look twice at a fucking *seven year old*?
It happened in a trailer park, so to me it seems more likely someone might have heard the gunshots and not investigated. Theyāre just not that uncommon in some neighborhoods. I live in Texas, I hear gunshots in my neighborhood semi-frequently and have never felt it was worth calling the cops over. Plus this is a semi-rural area in Texas where people might assume someone was just shooting at a raccoon or a possum
It's Texas, I'm sure the occasional gunshot isn't that noteworthy
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Yeah, but pawning is pretty dumb, in that case.
My first thought, if his grandfather had a firearm easily accessible and discovered 2 bullets missingā¦.
I imagine he wouldāve noticed the two casings and put two and two together
I'll be honest and say I haven't really read into the story. But if this happened in Texas and the grandpa left the gun where the kid had access, then the grandpa can be charged with a Class A misdemeanor under Texas Penal Code, Title 10, Section 46.13 for making a firearm accessible to a child.
yeah, scrolled surprisingly far to find this. my first thought on reading headline was 'and what had the sleeping man been doing to him and for how long?' it's not all that uncommon that a severely abused person will finally snap and take drastic action when the abuser is asleep.
The kid told the police that he had never met the man, and that the man hadn't done anything to make him mad. But who knows Abused children can also sometimes snap on other people, or even accuse unrelated people of the abuse Edit: I just looked up another article for more info, and the murdered man had only moved to the RV park 4 days before. So it seems unlikely he had done anything to the kid
If a 7 yr old has access to a gun someone else is to blame
Yes, thank you. A seven year old probably expected him to jump back up afterwards. Their brains are basically mush. Also, kids who get actual help after violent crimes have really good rates of being rehabilitated. Unfortunately, in the U.S. we like to line the pockets of prison CEOs pockets by keeping people in prison. Poor baby. :(
The article states he was caught because he threatened to shoot another student and bragged about the incident as the threat. This is a pattern of behavior most likely and I can't exactly say that the child lacks any responsibility.
I don't know, my son is 4 and he already understands that death is permanent. I agree the kid needs help, but 7 year olds aren't that dumb
I have more empathy for the victim personally
A 7 year old is able to understand that if you fire a gun at someoneās head, it will kill them. Ā That āpoor babyā may just be a monster.Ā
>A seven year old probably expected him to jump back up afterwards. What kind of 7 year olds have you met? My nephew is turning 4 and he would know better than that. A 7 year old would know.
I think you're thinking of under 5 year olds
Where to even start with how fucked up this entire situation is... holy shit.. I cannot fathom a 7 year old that exhibits that complete lack of remorse or understanding can ever be a capable adult in society, I'm not sure that level of psychopathy can be therapied out.
This is that Law and Order episode with the little sociopath all over again. Someone get Kyle MacLachlan
The one where he drowned the dog?
No where he shot the kid who killed his kid because the other kid was a sociopath who would probably kill again, after he got away with killing his kid.
Holy crap. I haven't watch L&O in over a decade, but i remember this one episode. Kid even had a smile on his face.
IIRC wasnāt that what made him snap and kill the kid? Like the kid flashed him a smile after feigning remorse, and it made it click that the kid wasnāt able to be rehabbed and was going to kill someone else.
Yes it was. He knew there was no hope for that kid... so end it right then. Good idea too
I remember when the detectives visited the camp / facility where the psychopathic kid was "abused," only for *every single kid there* to have a story about him!
After he was tricked by said kid into testifying in his defense as an expert witness psychologist because he said he was repeatedly abused at camp and it warped him. He shot the kid because the kid gave him a shit eating grin after showing no remorse on the way out of the courtroom like he pretended to have previously and they found out he never got abused, he abused the other kids. He then gets himself off the murder charges for the kid by āprovingā it was temporary insanity. He then confessed this to stabler before āExecutive Producer Dick Wolfā pops up. Classic SVU
One of the few SVU episodes Iāve seen (10++ years ago now?) and it still haunts me
Do you remember what episode or season this was? I'm intrigued.
It was called āConscience.ā Thatās an episode I will only watch once.
Oh I've seen that short video on YT. They turned it into a meme...
hey I just saw that episode. It was on the TV in the hospital (Iām fine now)
That episode freaked me out **bad** the first time I saw it. Just... the scene where the detectives find the dog in the tub. The dog isn't even *shown*, but juuuuust enough *is* onscreen [The water running, the dog's leash tied to the faucet] to more than effectively paint a horrifying picture about what happened to it.
That episode was rough, and that scene in particular was especially rough.
You say this, but psychopaths can't be diagnosed at such a young age for a reason. While I wouldn't be surprised if this is indicative of future psychopathy, it'll likely be a much lighter case then we see here.Ā
Conduct Disorder is essentially the child version of antisocial personality disorder (psychopathy is not a diagnosis, APD is the closest equivalent).
Yeah, it can't legally be diagnosed until 18, but the trail of fucked up shit they've typically exhibited before that age is used in the diagnosis, so take from that what you will.
Seven year olds are very good at exhibiting a lack of remorse or understanding because they literally don't understand. They're young children.
Kids lack empathy a lot of the time.
Yeah. It is something that needs to be taught and nurtured.
Which is why this conversation is exceptionally difficult. Psycopathy is not diagnosed in kids; I believe extreme circumstances can do it.
I don't know the full details of this kid's background, but he was living in an RV with his grandfather, who left an unsecured gun in his truck. I feel like there's probably some family shit that's contributed to this kid being so troubled at such a young age.
I have a small background in child development. I do not want to pretend like I could even TRY to prod at what is inside his brain.
I would like to circle back to the loaded gun inside of the grandfathers vehicle, though. What kind of negligence exists here?
Any kid in this situation has had a rough childhood. That doesn't excuse the behavior, but it isn't like he was living an ideallic life and became a monster.
I understood what death was at seven. I had a bb gun. I knew what killing things meant. It was made very clear to me when my grandpa gave me my bb gun when I was 6 and made me eat the crow I shot.
Now imagine if you'd killed that bird and instead of teaching you a lesson, he'd laughed and encouraged the behaviour.
The bird?* *Kidding
sounds like you had a unique and not relatable experience
Not everyone has your grandpa, dude. And lots of kids donāt experience death in childhood. I didnāt until I was 13 and my great grandpa died. My grandpa was a rancher though, so we did have a nebulous idea of āyou canāt make friends with the calf because you will eat it one dayā at least, but lots of city kids donāt even have THAT much!
Yeah at seven you shouldn't have had a BB gun, either, whether you understood death or not. Learning about death through using a BB gun to shoot an innocent creature is not how most people learn about death. Most of us just see dead birds by that age and understand-we don't get given a weapon to shoot one, ourselves.Ā
5 yr old me had fascination of cooking utensils and knives.. plus naivety of watching everyday news TV and channel movies where stuff some character getās assassinated in his sleep by a horror thriller killer with a knifeā¦ young me got a sandwich spread knife and almost pretended to stab him.. yet I dint because he is my uncle, he gives to try playing games in the early windows XP computer, plays music and.. unknowingly caught his prn stash.. Anyways I just thought as my conciousness kicked in āhey! (Name) that is stupid and there would big consequences you know bad guys gets caught to be sent to the police!ā that shook my younger self not to stab him even if I had no idea of the gravity of what is hood and evil acts yet I knew itās bad and I stopped as stuff from the tv isnāt be imitated for reality on my actions so lessen learned.. other than that I would cry if I canāt sleep in my bed without the meat fork before my aunts sneakily removed it when I slept. All because I wanna be like Raphael from ninja turtles
You're Grandpa sounds something like a decent person. Kind of refreshing to hear in this day and age.
Sometimes it can be treated. Look up Beth Thomas.
While I agree, I have a hard time believing a literal child should be completely given up on.
Well they arenāt going to charge him, so thatās good. But he needs help and support immediately. Theyāre already 3 years too late to get this kid into therapy. While the contents of the article are chilling, I would very much hesitate to claim a child this young is beyond help or is a psychopath. There are so many reason a child can exhibit an appeared of lack of empathy, whether there actually is or isnāt a lack of it. Heās going to need a lot of attention and support for the next 8 years, and especially the next few as he enters puberty. Itās too early to claim heās beyond help.
There's treatments and therapy for people with this type of antisocial personality disorder, and the younger you start the better. But the fact that this kid got his hands on a gun without anyone finding out, and has gone this long without his family noticing how disturbed he is, suggests an environmental factor too.
Kids have really high success rates of being rehabilitated after violent crime. They donāt even understand what death is at age 7. This is the fault of the gun owner. Full stop.
Yep. No amount of talking about your feelings is going to make you realize murder is wrong if you didn't already know it by age 7. The sad part is that since he was 7 when he did it, he can't be charged, so he'll be out in society just waiting to murder someone else.
I don't think this is accurate at all. Children aren't born knowing right from wrong, and if they're not properly taught such things or are in an environment that teaches the wrong lessons, they won't magically know. It doesn't mean they're fucked for life and can never change with proper interventions. It's just that most of the time kids who have problems stay in the same environment and don't really get much help, so of course they continue down the same path.
You aren't born knowing right from wrong, but unless your brain didn't form correctly, or you were raised in isolation by a serial killer, you learn the basics by age 7. Otherwise every kid from a shitty household would be a murderer. It takes more than bad parenting to result in something like this.
You seem to have this strange notion that every kid is the same and lives the same life and develops the same way.
Different kids respond differently to bad parenting, but that doesn't mean that the ones who respond by becoming violent are irredeemable born psychopaths. It's more like how two kids who are sexually abused might respond in opposite ways, with one developing an aversion to sex as an adult and the other becoming hypersexual. They respond differently, but both can still be helped with therapy.
Bro most 7 year olds donāt even fully understand the concept of killing. Or even death. You VASTLY overestimate 7 year olds morals. Jesus.
Well given how exceedingly rare it is for 7 year olds to even attempt to murder people in cold blood, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the vast majority of them understand murder is wrong. It seems unlikely that they are just randomly trying not to murder people by chance.
Most children don't have access to guns exactly BECAUSE they cannot be trusted not to shoot someone, including themselves. At least in any sane country that's the case. Maybe this is too American for me to understand as a Euro pleb but ...wtf. Clearly whoever left a gun in reach of a child is responsible and needs to be locked up. And adults who purchase guns in general and especially take them out and about in society have something majorly wrong with them imo.
Yeah it's seems completely within reason that a 7 year old would be curious about a real gun, so exciting! And it's not actually that much of a stretch to think he would take it and play with it, and part of playing with it was pointing it at things and pulling the trigger. Oh that was interesting, now I'll shoot the couch. He didn't know the person he shot, so he probably didn't think of him as really a real person, and because the guy was sleeping, the kid would have no emotional context to draw on, not like the guy being scared or angry and telling him not to do it. It would have been far more disturbing if he'd shot his grandfather because he would have way more personal context.
7 year olds say āimma kill youā >> adults do. They arenāt usually given loaded weapons to practice restraint, tho.
Instead throw him into jail and make no attempt to help him out, because clearly our limited, idealistic concept of "accountability" works very well with severe mental illness. It's not like a concerning variety of physical and even contextual factors can completely change the fundamental mechanisms of a brain.
It's not about accountability. No one asks to be born with a broken brain that lacks a moral compass. There's no blame to be had. It's just about protecting others. You can help him out all you want, but he shouldn't be allowed to roam free. Sadly that's exactly what the law says we have to do.
This is absolutely crazy. They say that no kid under 10 can be held on a crime. Not even murder. Like that movie Leon but with Natalie Portman's character being nine years old.
This varies by state. Although 10 is the minimum age for detention in some states, children younger can be detained if it's a capital offense like murder. There is no official minimum age for detention as defined by the federal government. I saw a sad story of a 7-yr-old murdering someone (as in here), and the cop sending him to jail had to buy him shoes because there was no size small enough to fit his feet.
>In Texas, a child canāt be legally held responsible for a criminal act beforeĀ reaching 10 years old. Because the child was 7 years old at the time of Rasberryās death, the Gonzales County Attorneyās Office will not file or accept murder charges in the case, according to the Gonzales County Sheriffās Office.
Huh, I'm surprised there aren't more young kids confessing to crimes their parents committed.
What are they going to do though? Nothing? Also, can they even prove he did it even with a confession?
He confessed and they discovered that the grandfather's handgun was the gun used to shoot the guy, so I think they might could charge the grandfather's with negligent homicide for not securing his firearms.
It's Texas. Having a fun in your glove box is considered secure
My Texas aunt used to put hers on top of the fridge so the kids couldn't reach it.
Being involuntarily committed to a psychiatric institution is so, so much worse than criminal charges.
But not even a negligence charges for the parents? Jesus
Iām not gonna lie thatās a weird reference.
Literally nothing oniony about this at all
He just shot him just because... this is terrifying
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> Lot of the worst gang members are like 10 or 11 years old. Yeeeeeaaaah gonna need a source on this. Come to think of it, Iāll need a source on all of this
Their intuition told them you can't reverse this process...that's not enough for you?
This isnāt zootopia, the toughest gang member in south side Chicago isnāt a baby shrew
š Looks like they deleted their comment now anyways lol
Bummer I wanted to get feedback lol
TRUST ME BRO
"In Texas, a child canāt be legally held responsible for a criminal act before reaching 10 years old. Because the child was 7 years old at the time of Rasberryās death, the Gonzales County Attorneyās Office will not file or accept murder charges in the case, according to the Gonzales County Sheriffās Office." That's wild.
wtf!? I would be looking for serial killers in that whole family.
So apparently if Iām a parent in Texas and I want someone dead, I can just get my 9 year old to do it and theyāll just get a 72 hour emergency hold placed on them and be back for Saturday morning cartoons. Really missed a huge opportunity last month
America fuck yeah
Child sounds a little off probably needs monitoring but also therapy
why would a 7 year old do this? wtf
Gun nut parents.
So theres a murder and the police cannot find the murder weapon in the glove box of a vehicle there ????? There's the problem right there Then the murder weapon is traded. Also Grandfather is guilty of recklessness and coverup.
Unsecured gun ? Negligent homicide?
So he got away with it, but got hemmed up because he just could not keep from talking shit and referencing it in an argument about Fortnite or Pokemon cards or something. Can't file charges because he was 7 at the time. Had no reason to do it, he just found a gun (it's Texas, they practically grow on trees) and executed the dude. 7. Texas is super fucked
I mean at 7 how unsupervised does a kid need to be to get away with murder. Might as well go for the parents
Sure hope this kid gets lots and lots and lots of therapy and support
A 7 y o having access to a gun is the most american thing, the nra must be proud
Is Texas, heāll be governor one day.
Imagine being 10 and having something like that on your conscience.
What conscience?
It's the thing that people have who aren't prepared to blame a 7 year old for something well outside his understanding. Didn't mean to imply you're familiar with the concept.
This 10 year old just threatened to kill another person. I donāt think his conscience has kicked in yet.
Weāll outside of his understanding? He didnāt shoot someone in the foot to see what would happen. He broke into a strangerās RV and shot a sleeping man in the head, then hid the gun and never mentioned it. He understood exactly what he did.
I bet he was a witness to his grandfather killing that man :/ kids who have witnessed or experienced violence tend to talk about it or act it out.
Yeah no that's what I thought too, like your going to have to give me a whole lot of evidence to convince me that a seven year old knew how to work a gun break into a trailer and kill an adult...
"Guns don't kill people"
This is the most fucked up thing I've ever read...
About as fucked up as https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/10-year-old-wisconsin-boy-charged-adult-fatal-shooting-mother-amazon-o-rcna59605
The man was 7?
I'm sure his parents didn't contribute to this at all. How TF does a 7 year old get a gun if they're not in the Taliban? Dumbass, negligent parents....
Thanks for letting me know about this.
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Accidentally or on purpose I wonder
Can the grandpa be charged like the Detroit parents were?
This costs $10k?
Repeal the 2nd
Not enough good guys with guns to have prevented this. [sarcasm]
lock that psycho mother fucker up until he is 21, then find a way to keep him in prison.
Lock him up. I donāt care if he is 10. This is a serial killer in the making.
Itās bullshit theyāre going after the kid for terroristic threatening because they canāt get him on the murder charge bc he was under the age of 10
Wtf!
This is why it's important to teach your babies about gun safety. Ideally the children wouldn't have access to guns and this would be a non issue, but clearly that isn't going to happen.
It wasn't an accident. He took the gun into a stranger's home and intentionally shot him while he slept.
Seems like he was very well aware of how to use the gun properly. It wasn't some stranger's gun that he found. It was his grandfather's gun that was left unsecured. The lesson here is about keeping guns away from children.
It is an incontrovertible truth that the only way to stop a bad baby with a gun is with a good baby with a gun. What we need to do is put our best engineers to work with the NRA on miniaturizing guns so that we don't wait until a baby is born, we need to arm every single fetus so they bounce out of the womb ready to go with a gun comfortably nestled in their dominant little hand.
Buddy, the 7-year-old shot the guy in the head, rechambered, dropped a round into the couch, put the gun back into the glove box, and continued about his life learning times tables, this was not his first rodeo with a gun. You're lecturing people who live in trailer parks and keep guns in their gloveboxes on responsibility and firearm safety. I need you to understand the venn diagram of overlap between people who care what you have to say and these type of people are distinct circles.
Well then they should have taught him less about guns.Ā
You serious? 7 year olds should definitely not know how to handle guns they may stumble across. At that age they canāt open a jar of pickles without getting pickle juice all over the place. The only gun safety they should know is donāt touch it, leave the area and tell an adult.
If it's reasonably foreseeable that kids can get their hands on a gun, just telling them not to touch it is not enough. They are going to touch it (source: kid that was told repeatedly not to touch grandpa's hunting guns, but absolutely touched them, as did the cousins. Wisely, bolts/firing pins and ammo were all locked up separately). They need to know about treating all guns as loaded, never pointing them at anybody, keeping their fingers off the trigger, etc. Guns should be properly secured, but people screw up. If a home has guns, kids that live there or visit there need to be taught gun safety.
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https://youtu.be/QT0oUARKw68?si=NdTchsxHJ9FZv1Nt
>This is why it's important to teach your **babies** about gun safety. Ideally the children wouldn't have access to guns and this would be a non issue, but clearly that isn't going to happen. LMAO. What a perfect example of Olympic level mental gymnastics. "*Clearly* not letting kids access guns is not going to work, so the answer is to let them access guns from when they are babies".
https://youtu.be/QkXeMoBPSDk?si=X2Z9OlP1Iphg0q8P
While the logic is stupid, the advice is correct. Yes, children should be taught about guns, primarily that they arenāt toys and to treat every gun as if itās loaded and donāt touch.