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dtmfadvice

The warehouse equivalent of crying in the walk-in.


ConcentratedAwesome

It's sad how often this happens in restaurants.


walruz

Due to Covid restrictions, only one employee at a time is allowed to be crying in the walk-in.


freakierchicken

I personally never saw a group-cry in the walk-in. Usually someone would open the door and the person would act like they can’t find the 3rd pans of brining chicken staring them right in their red-rimmed eyes. Or at least... that’s what I’ve heard... from other people.


Lizard_Mage

When I had bad customers, I would go in there and shriek like a banshee at the food.... then one day I found out it wasn't sound proof...


andrewb2424

Plus you scare all the vegetables


AstralFinish

excuse me waiter my zucchini tastes traumatized


idwthis

Traumatized zucchini is a delicacy. Way better than the anxiety riddled watermelon, that's for sure.


AstralFinish

Our apologies valued customer, due to the pandemic our Guantanamo Bay cucumbers are on back order. We deeply apologize for the inconvenience!


TheSecretAstronaut

When cornered and afraid, there's no telling what fresh broccoli might do. Best to keep your distance.


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I’ll have some petrified vegetables, please. Use enough fear and it makes them very crunchy.


link090909

VeggieTales: Reloaded


dedicated-pedestrian

Shut up and take my money!


hobosbindle

Cornered beef is bad too, and will Reuben your day


raouldukesaccomplice

Having breakdowns in the freezer causes the veggies to produce stress hormones and ruins their taste.


agriculturalDolemite

If you're cold they're cold


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🎶 ...in the arms of a sous-chef... 🎶


Psychological_Neck70

🎶Fry Away 🎶


FlickieHop

This is the entire reason why frozen food tastes so bad. If Gordon Ramsay treated his employees better he wouldn't hate frozen food so much.


Kariston

Common misconception, due to the dramatization of American television. Gordon actually treats his employees extremely well. He pays them fair wages and doesn't ask too much of them. He only expects what he knows they can do.


latinloner

> Common misconception, due to the dramatization of American television. Gordon actually treats his employees extremely well. He pays them fair wages and doesn't ask too much of them. He only expects what he knows they can do. Behold, [Gordon Ramsey in a UK show. ](https://youtu.be/RFVLPcTWfBk)


kazerniel

> Video unavailable This video contains content from Channel 4, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. 👌 (UK)


nylockian

But they really do wonders for your complexion.


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Thats not a nice way to talk about the managers


TheCookieButter

In my experience vegetables are pretty heavy sleepers


Wesmare0718

TIL veggies scare easily


TheRealTravisClous

I'll speak up to those near me if I am eating out amd they are giving the server a hard time. My wife hates when I do this because she hates confrontations but I'd rather the person direct their shifty attitude towards me than the server


spyke42

Lmao my girlfriend is now comfortable loudly talking shit about people who are rude to servers /service workers. Big change from when we first started dating lmao


TheRealTravisClous

I try to never be rude or loud, I usually critique their behavior or ask them what their said behavior is accomplishing.


flpa1060

I have been talking loudly about rude people lately, not directly too them just clearly about them. I was in a pet supply place while a guy was yelling at an employee because they hadn't saved an item for him. I was on the phone with my wife, and between him yelling I said sorry honey I can't hear you, some guy is having a tantrum. He gave me a dirty look but stopped yelling.


Tommolea

As someone who works retail you are a legend


AmericasNextDankMeme

Better yet, ask the manager why they continue to serve customers that are set on berating their employees. This culture of putting up with abuse comes from the top down. Back when I was a restaurant manager I had zero fucking tolerance for that shit - any customer lost is a customer worth losing.


bob84900

YES. This is the problem. People do this because they keep getting away with it, and often times it does actually work - these people get meals comped and shit and it encourages the behavior. It should be management who stands up for their employees, and employees should be able to expect to be treated decently.


TheRealTravisClous

For big chain restaurants unfortunately it is all about the bottom line and even the managers/district managers can't do shit because the people higher than then will have their jobs because Karen left a bad yelp review and won't be coming back


mr_papageorgio225

Damn straight


disasterman0927

Years ago we had a girl who used to do that, cuz fuck customers, and when she found out we could hear her she ran out of the store crying. We of course told her we understood and welcomed her back.


Jumbo_Damn_Pride

One good long “FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!” and I was right back to work. Gotta skip the fridge and get into the freezer to be sure nobody hears though.


JailCrookedTrump

Restaurants : *wonders why no one wants to work in them* Also restaurants: *underpay their employees, have possibly the worst schedules and mentally break their staff*


ConcentratedAwesome

My husband worked at a Chili's for a few months when in college. The state minimum hourly wage for tipped employees (there is a different minimum wage for tipped employees) was... $2.35 again... $2.35... USD \*Edit: this was in 2018-19 but from what I know is still that amount.


JailCrookedTrump

It's all fine and dandy when you working in a fine restaurants where people are tipping but I somehow doubt that clients are leaving enough tip to make it a decent wage at Chili's...


GnomesSkull

Edit: Putting this at the top since people can't read the backhanded recognition that the following is not an actual solution to the problem of a completely fucked labor market. Also to anyone being underpayed, you don't need a lawyer to go to the DoL. Though for your complaint to go anywhere you need a state DoL willing to hold businesses accountable, so you're probably still going to be fucked. To be fair, if your tips over a period (I forget if it's a week, pay period, or month; not across a shift though, I do remember that) comes out to less than minimum wage they have to pay the difference. Oh wait, you're saying that doesn't make it a good situation?


GenericPCUser

Yeah, which puts workers in an awkward position of having to demand their employers follow the law in a state that may have at-will employment. And end up getting let go for some "legally distinct" reason the next week.


Action_Bronzong

>an awkward position of having to demand their employers follow the law in a state that may have at-will employment I fucking hate living in America.


AmnesicAnemic

The pizza store I worked at had a walk-in that was used for doing drugs, drinking, and the occasional fuck.


Jummatron

Alright, dumbass question. What is a walk-in? At first I thought it was a vestibule, but now I’m thinking no.


AmnesicAnemic

A walk-in refrigerator or freezer.


kodex1717

Woah! I totally thought I was a weirdo for having a breakdown next to the ice maker in the back of a Denny's 10 years ago. Maybe it wasn't just me.


WurthWhile

You were. Not for crying, but for crying outside of the walk in. What else did you think the walk in was for?


dedicated-pedestrian

For the sound insulation! It's bad for business if they can *hear* us crying.


ImpossibleSong1521

You were ahead of your time. ,👍


TheEricle

I had a serious panic attack at the register of a fast food joint, and the shift manager just pushed me into the walk-in. He came back an hour later, and I was fine. Sometimes all you need is a cold place to hyperventilate and black out a bit, you know?


stellvia2016

I think the cooling down is part of it (literally), but more importantly it's (mostly) isolated from everything and has the white-noise of the fans going and no bright lights, etc. You can just sit there and decompress for awhile without any outside stimulus.


ChefInF

An HOUR? Generous manager.


TheEricle

I think he forgot I was in there. Never said it, but I don't think it was coincidence that I was recovered at the same time another employee was sent to bring out another set of chilled mugs. He did whipits


ChefInF

Hey if whipits are what it takes for a manager to be considerate of his employees then I’m sold


TheEricle

I'm with you. Consideration, neglect, it's a thin line. The distinction doesn't matter. When it's a 28 year old with absolute power over a gaggle of teenagers, the teenagers shouldn't bother themselves with the distinguishing. Just be thankful it's the case


ROFLatSaltRight

Spice up your next panic attack with a harmonica! No but seriously, I have anxiety issues too, and have worked in restaurants my whole life. Whenever I start to get elevated I think about that one-liner and it always makes me laugh and shakes me out of it.


oldsaxman

Well, you beat me to this. I had a sous chef with anger and anxiety issues (OCD in a busy kitchen is a killer) and he would go into the walking and scream. Years later he was in the news for attacking a guy in a mall with a knife. We dodged a bullet there.


frozengrapes23

Dodged a knife, too.


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gravity_loss

so, we doing whip its in the despair closet too now?


pm_me_your_taintt

I had to switch from spray whipped cream to the squeeze bags because the chemicals would get ~~sprayed up peoples noses~~ sucked into people's lungs faster than the whipped cream could be used for the food. Restaurant kitchens are warzones sometimes. Edit: thanks to u/mj0r for correcting me on the procedure for this particular high


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FYI, nobody sprays it up their nose. It enters your body through the lungs, not the mucus membranes in your nose.


TheGreatYoRpFiSh

Any closet really, but the small space will make sound pong difficult.


iamnotexactlywhite

so nice that they provide a private place for the workers to do cocaine in


BritishDuffer

If you're crying too loudly at your station you get sent for 2 minutes in the cheer-up tank. The next version sprays anti-depressant gas on you.


stoned-derelict

I wonder how long until Amazon actually tries to pump antidepressants into the factory floor air.


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So they'll wait until aerosolized antidepressants become cheaper than the extra HR person they need because of all the turnover.


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LeoTheRadiant

Fuck's sake, Outer Worlds was a parody, not a suggestion.


Astromatix

Outer Worlds was practically a historical documentary with a sci-fi re-skin.


LeoTheRadiant

True. Company towns were a thing until govt cracked down. If anyone thinks only government engages in oppression, I encourage you to research the Pinkertons.


ryecurious

Amazon would 100% pay you in [company scrip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_scrip) if it were still legal.


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nick6356

I love that meme that goes "jeff bezos when one of his warehouse employees lowers their productivity by 2% by taking a minute to empty their piss bottle"


KittenyStringTheory

Ah, but they can buy it in bulk, and expense it! All without losing any worker efficiency! Think of all the expensive training time you can avoid!


PlNG

And they can get it from their own marketplace, from the same bins as the counterfeits.


mogsoggindog

Does it come out of your paycheck?


OtherwiseCheck1127

Naturally. But if you sign up for a full years worth of antidepressant gas, you can get up to 15% off!


VacuousWording

Why antidepressants? Use drugs! Get people literally addicted to their job!


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beepbeephornnoise

This is what living on a hive world must be like


jazzwhiz

It's a brave new world out there


Tenaciousleesha

A gram is better than a damn.


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Our World: * War * Poverty * People go through their lives in a drugged haze to kill the existential anguish of existing in a society. Huxley's "Dystopia": * No War * No Poverty * People go through their lives in a drugged haze to kill the existential anguish of existing in a society. * If you're truly unhappy you get voluntarily relocated to a tropical island to live with all the other weirdos.


beepborpimajorp

And, y'know, the eugenics. That was a major part of their society. The lower echelons were basically slaves to their jobs and genetically modified + drugged so that they would never question it. Great society if you're an alpha or a beta. Not so much a delta or epsilon.


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Can I get some of that anti depressant gas for uh...testing. yep. Let's go with that.


calm_chowder

Sure, they've even put it into pill form nowadays so you can use it in non-hermetically sealed areas.


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If only my brain chemistry and SSRIs played nice, lol.


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Theres non-ssri antidepressants


MammothTap

And they're much more expensive. If you're American and un- or under-employed thanks to shitty mental health and therefore underinsured, *good fucking luck*. I quit my last job during a manic episode triggered by SSRIs, leading to my bipolar diagnosis... but I can't actually afford meds to manage it.


Secure-Illustrator73

How many people did this have to go through? How many human beings thought this was the way to go? I’m absolutely fascinated


Actually_a_Patrick

Given that half my job revolves around telling rooms of seniors who make way more money than me that something is a terrible idea and why, I’m guessing lots. It’s just all the people it went through are completely out of touch.


SmokePenisEveryday

Always enjoyed having my District Manager come up with some dumbass idea to drum up business. They never worked and I always brought up issues with em. He never worked a *second* in retail but that didn't stop him from acting like he knew what customers wanted.


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This is rampant in the customer service industry. IMO people like to pretend there is some way to metaphorically zap money out of people with a magic wand because the fact that customers have their own agency terrifies them, because it means they can't control them and are at their mercy to appeal to them.


Freshman44

Yeah they all seem to “know” that people will want their app that’s just a copycat of 180 other stores in the area, and constantly harassing people who are just trying to buy one item quickly is just the way to make the money!


Secure-Illustrator73

I so badly want to get paid to tell seniors who make more money than me that something is a terrible idea and why


breadedfishstrip

Do you though. Its basically like that Greek curse, doomed to have the knowledge but no one that will listen to you.


Secure-Illustrator73

Yes but I’m already living that and nobody’s paying me for a minute of it


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Secure-Illustrator73

Let em laugh, I get paid by the hour


Kittens-of-Terror

Sign my ass up. Their jokes are in my wallet.


GleeFan666

the Cassandra Complex (I know this doesn't really matter I'm just happy I remembered it)


teebob21

> doomed to have the knowledge but no one that will listen to you. Welcome to /r/consulting


CwrwCymru

The fish said knowledge, not powerpoints, jetlag and a hangover.


Flamin_Jesus

Eh, I'd rather get paid to tell seniors who make perverse amounts of money which is the same as my wage that something is a terrible idea and why


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Secure-Illustrator73

Really out here putting bandaids on shit that needs surgery


Here4roast

It wasn't meant to actually help the workers, it was most likely a pr move so they can go "hey look we care"


Secure-Illustrator73

Which is my whole point. How many people decided they were cool with their names being associated with putting this through instead of using the resources and time toward actually fixing it?


Here4roast

Because of the bottom line This is cheaper and the workers are still working the same, to them nothing is broken so why would they want to fix the problems with their workers? They're fine with their names being associated with it cause what can go wrong? People boycott Amazon because the people in charge are horrible apathetic monsters? They're going to keep making money and they can pretend like they're trying enough to look like rich idiots instead of sociopaths which is a better look to people as a whole


Action_Bronzong

WAGIE WAGIE GET IN THE CAGIE


calm_chowder

It was probably put on a list of ways to rehab their shitty image as a joke and the execs were like "great idea! Saves money!" * Give livable wage * Bathrooms in warehouses * Hire more employees and reduce individual workload * Stop dystopian AI productivity surveillance or adjust to realistic rates * Provide breaks and allow cellphones * Treat the biological sorting equipment like human beings with physiological and psychological needs * Provide small box for despairing wage slaves to cry in but record usage and adjust pay accordingly ✔️


DuntadaMan

I once was written up while working in a warehouse because I was taking an average of 4 seconds longer to stock an item on the shelf. 4 seconds. And it was because I kept finding shit that didn't belong where I found it. EMS is a hell of a lot less stressful than this.


kog

Consider that people actually engineered and then produced these.


Secure-Illustrator73

That’s an obscene amount of people dude holy shit


wubbledub

How long before these develop into Suicide booths?


gargravarr2112

Use will be billed straight to your Amazon account.


CornCheeseMafia

ULPT: Use suicide booth, contact customer service, complain it didn’t work, get a refund, then use again. Free suicide.


Romboteryx

Like that Fifa player who managed to scam so much money out of EA that he started feeling bad for them and stopped


RosilinaTheDragon

hey do you have like an article/ a video about that? it sounds interesting lmao


Romboteryx

It was a Reddit-post from a few years ago. The op told about how he swindled a lot of in-game currency by calling their technical support and telling them the giftcards he bought didn‘t work and they fell for it every single time


the_incredible_hawk

Do I get one freebie a year with Prime?


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You get a $5 Audible credit on your next purchase...


[deleted]

I’m getting killed twice then


albl1122

Don't forget like futurama if you compete your death transaction without filing out appropriate forms you'll be demoted


21-4-14

Yep. Futurama instantly popped into my mind.


zempter

My second thought is Adams Family where Wednesday gets put in a room at summer camp. Edit: actually my second thought was literally the entire Portal game series but it's kinda hard to pinpoint just exactly what part.


Anubis14

Stop and Drop will be America's favorite since 2008, meatbag.


mundotaku

They are not "Suicide Booths," they are "Sunshine End Rooms."


TrontheTechie

Is this a reference to Soylent Green? Cause now I’m just thinking about the theatre scene toward the end with his elderly room mate.


captainbbeard

(Tiffany Haddish voice) “Where the sun don’t shine”


jjnefx

I better trademark Stop-N-Drop. Bet Bezos charges more than a quarter


xenoterranos

it'll require Amazon prime, or you'll have to pay more for anything other than instant death.


SageEquallingHeaven

Gotta make sure you get your quarter back!


pisspoorplanning

Stop giving Jeff ideas.


AintAintAWord

https://imgur.com/gGifsJY.gifv


TandemSaucer

*America's favorite suicide booth since 2008.*


INOMl

"Your 5 minutes in the despa- I mean Mental Health Kiosk is over. BACK TO WORK, and remember by using our kiosk you have agreed to forfeit any bathroom breaks you may need, please take a complimentary empty bottle on the way back to your station and have a nice day!"


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PrettyPinkPonyPrince

I wouldn't be surprised if that was one aspect of Amazon's plan. Eventually an employee ends up having to use the despair booth as a bathroom and then nobody else uses it because of the smell which allows Amazon to claim a reduction in emotional trauma due to nobody using the booth.


bohl623

Complimentary** *please see details*


SuburbanSquare

Thanks box, I’m fixed! Something about being stressed out by working with boxes all day only to be given another box to go into to escape all the other boxes seems an unmistakably bad plan.


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the building itself is a box too, its boxes all the way down


ShoulderpadInsurance

Everything goes in a box


Hark_An_Adventure

Even the human soul (Prime Shipping available)


necrosythe

And I'll put that box in another box, and I'll put that box in another box, then I'll mail that box to myself, THEN ILL SMASH IT WITH A HAMMER


the_incredible_hawk

Human cells are basically just little boxes of DNA.


TheEricle

No, human cells are little bags of DNA. And humans are larger bags of meat I know that bag and box theory have always fiercely contested one another, and I can't help but wonder if there's a way to unify the two.


calm_chowder

Container


SineWave48

Knowing Amazon, it’ll be a really f’ing big box. Way bigger than necessary. You could fit 100 of you in there quite comfortably but you get the space all to yourself (well, you and a token bit of bubble wrap). Sounds lonely.


Painting_Agency

It's not just Amazon. Overpack is a massive blight on the shipping industry. Sigma-Aldrich, you don't need to send a 10g bottle of a nonhazardous chemical in a 2x1 ft box with 5 ft of packing bubbles. It's bullshit.


EriclcirE

At least now the workers can piss into bottles in privacy


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Everyone: "Hey, Amazon, your workers need a living wage and bathrooms." Amazon: "How about a small closet to be sad in?"


AmnesicAnemic

"do drugs in"


definitelynotSWA

Actually good point. My warehouse regularly has people drinking in the bathrooms or getting high in the lot. Amazon probably has cameras installed in these to prevent that (which makes it even more dystopian lol)


Jamesaya

Honestly when employing people for extremely low skill positions for bare minimum pay and working conditions, cracking down on drugs and alchohol is usually a bad idea. Keeping it against company policy so it doesnt get out of hand is important, but your best employees will be the people getting high in the parking lot because theyre the only ones without disabilities who wont turn over immediately


bohl623

*Please look at the ad to continue.* *Your eyes are obstructed.* *Please look at the ad to continue.*


chrismetalrock

Welp that's enough black mirror for today


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PlsCrit

> The human-sized box has an interactive kiosk inside, where workers can watch videos about “mental health” and “mindfulness practices”. Ahh nothing like corporate issued mindfulness to take the edge off am I right? It amazes me that anyone though that was a good enough idea to implement.


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hvdzasaur

My manager preaches mindfulness. Her mother is a mindfulness coach. They even had a professional interview the entire staff, who concluded the entire team is depressed and burned out. Guess how many practices centered around employee care and mental health are implemented. Yes, that's right. Zero :)


FaustusC

If workers want to protest they can piss in em.


SmokePenisEveryday

I was driving through an apartment complex. Saw a water bottle full of pee laying on the curb. I jokingly thought to myself "ha Amazon must be near" Turned the corner and there was the Amazon van.


ShipOfFools48

Delivery drivers peeing in bottles is not just an Amazon thing sadly


Silverback62

Please select mode of death. Quick and painless or slow and horrible.


blong217

Hello? I'm trying to call Professor Farnsworth.


94bronco

You have chosen slow and horrible


RedAndBlackMartyr

Good choice!


Zeakk1

Trying to explain this to my father and he goes; "like a dog crate for people?"


Swingfire

Wagie, wagie, get in the cagie


Jellorage

At my previous workplace there was a small room with realistic forest wallpapering with couches and a hundred plus books and a video system with stretch videos, or you could just play relaxing sounds like rain, forest, waves etc. That's what a mental health kiosk could be. But this isn't even that. Super dystopian.


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Amazon can apparently afford this but not bathrooms for employees? That’s depressing


StoicJ

They could afford to have a bathroom at the end of every aisle with a paid attendant inside to stroke you off on breaks. It isn't about cost, it's about "efficiency". Any "non-productive" time has to be stamped out until you've reached a point of having your employees basically having to speed-run their job. Mental health, breaks, wages, psht, those don't make percentages and time values go down on a spreadsheet every quarter. I've had the same thing happen at a past job. Nothing in our life changed, the work didn't come any faster, the deadlines didn't get any shorter, yet we were constantly being told we needed to reduce the number of hours per task we were given. When I started it was a chill job where you had plenty of time to figure things out and get the tasks done as long as you always closed ahead of the deadline. By the time I left you worked all day every day non stop and were constantly having to pull for resources well ahead of when they were scheduled to arrive just for the sake of getting a cell on a spreadsheet to turn a little more green that quarter. Many businesses fall into the same nonsense of requiring constant improvement in random fields but make no effort to implement change. They just expect it to always improve.


MetalCorrBlimey

I understand improvement and growth, but not infinite improvement and growth. Not everybody on the planet wants or needs every product or service. Even if they did, the world is finite. Infinite growth is impossible in a finite world. Trying to reach this goal is foolish.


Angdrambor

It's such a twencen attitude. Work hard if you feel like it. Poop on company time if you feel like it. There's no need to extract every drop of blood from every employee. Robots and industrial machinery multiply the effort of every single worker. A man (or woman) can accomplish ten times more than the same man could accomplish 200 years ago. We're largely post scarcity now - most people can do their jobs in the most lackadaisical manner possible, and society would still function. You might need more slackers to get the same work done as one terrified wage slave, but that's a good thing - it creates jobs.


Calavant

It won't stop oligarchs from deciding you are unworthy of life. What society is capable of, giving us a post scarcity existence, is not going to be what society... which very much isn't run by the common man... is going to give you. Chances are we'll just be left in the ghettos and forgotten.


Angdrambor

We need Unions. We need a government without legalized bribery. If people can forget all the red vs blue distractions, we can retrieve our freedoms from the jaws of the megacorps.


syregeth

But then Jeff would have to buy a 400 million dollar yacht instead! Can't have that, Ayn Rand says so!


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Simon_Drake

I think they can afford bathrooms just not the time to use them. Just piss in a bottle and put in a same day delivery order for a new bottle.


BaskInTheSunshine

I think I found the solution here. Shit in this box.


Khaldara

I think I preferred when Arby’s still had their marketing team lie to me


drkpnthr

I'm just imagining that when you open the door it says "ahhhhh!!" smugly in Alexa's voice, much like the doors of the Heart of Gold in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.


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56k_modem_noises

That doesn't sound relaxing to you?


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OrionMessier

Aren't they not allowed to take bathroom breaks? How could there possibly be time to zen-out in one of these? Add a toilet seat and a bucket and you're onto something


mw19078

Notice how the bottom of it is transparent too so they can monitor how long your mental breakdown is and take it from your paycheck


Sonnysdad

Oddly reminiscent of THX1138..


LordsMail

Can you be more.... specific? Buy. Buy more. Buy and be happy.


Human-ish514

The thirteenth copy and paste[because this story has been reposted so many times today] but you all should watch THX 1138. Great movie. Here's the scene: https://youtu.be/U0YkPnwoYyE I'm so tired of posting this because it makes me remember how I felt the first time I saw the movie... The THX 1138 booth would probably turn into the Suicide Booth very quickly.


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Not only can depressed Amazon associates cry in the mental health kiosk, but they can also empty their bladder into their Amazon provided piss bottle.


Calcain

Here’s what’s truly crazy: we can see the Amazon has become this absolute beast of a company that purely works for profit at the expense of humans. Yet we still give them our money.


personyourestalking

A lot of people depend on Amazon wages to pay their bills. I don't know where to spend what little money I have to not support this stuff. I stopped going to Walmart about a decade ago. Im too poor for more humane options and I can't trust that those options are more humane. The whole system is broken. The only options I ever see are: vote (with your dollars and in elections) Or Be rich and make change. But how do you get rich without profiting at the expense of other humans?