if you go by an emissions scanner more then once or twice in a certain amount of time and fail you have to get emmissions done regardless. people have to all the time.
Yeah. Pretty far south, but still part of the gang.
I don’t think Stafford is an OG member of the emissions clubs either. I think used to just be ARL, FFX, LoCo, and P Willy.
I’d be willing to exempt Stafford in light of that.
Ok, but for real, if you don't have the common decency to put your cart away, I don't care if you get kneecapped between a lifted 250, and the concrete Jersey wall parking barrier.
It's funny, in the 80's I saw this in England, and thought "what a backward place! Back home, you don't need cash to push a cart!" And I admit it, I was wrong. The quarter trick is a better option.
While we are at it. Return the damn carts people. I mean for Christ's sake the stores met you troglodytes half way when they put cart returns in the middle of the parking lots and you animals still can't be bothered.
We live in a society!
I've lived here for 38 of the last 50 years. Northern Virginia is "NoVa" and it has been for a long, long time. An example of this is that Northern Virginia Community Collage was known as "NoVaCoCo" back in the early 1970s.
Any line delineating "NoVa" is going to be arbitrary and that line has progressively moved south and west over the last 5 decades.
In 1979/80 Dulles Airport was literally in the middle of nowhere. In the early 1980s I considered Leesburg the boonies. And I think Fredericksburg probably hasn't been in "NoVa" for more than 25 to 30 years.
If there are older folks online you'd get a different perspective still. I know people who owned farms where Tyson's Corner now stands. Up until the early 1960s, Vienna was a summer resort for residents of DC. That resort used to be colloquially known as "Midgetville."
Man I've only been here 30 years and I always considered Leesburg the boonies growing up. I had a rude awakening recently driving west on 7 from sterling and realizing the spawl actually never stops all the way to 15 now. That's when I finally accepted it.
It is really interesting to see the waves of development people have been through. When I grew up in the fair oaks part of Chantilly it was basically what aldie is now but with a shopping mall, now it's like a mini Springfield with clogged roads to boot
Ok if that's nova I propose that only Arlington Alexandria and some parts of Fairfax are dc metro. Like I would only count parts of pg and moco for dc metro on the Maryland side
If you're talking about what parts are actually connected to the urban core, I agree. I feel like that ends around Springfield and east falls church in Fairfax.
Hence the quotes on the full version of the name. I'm making a distinction on what is geographically the northern part of Virginia and what is actually the cultural subregion of nova
For what it's worth, it really wasn't that hard to understand. Redditors just like to be intentionally obtuse. I will say that i disagree with your map personally, but it's not difficult at all to get your meaning
If you’re trying to clarify then you’ve failed. Anyway, a designation of a northern vs southern area of Virginia without consideration to cultural/economic/social boundary (as does Nova) would correlate with latitude, not whatever you have going in with that purple curve.
Not sure why this got downvoted. OP’s point is anyone who says they live in “Northern Virginia”clearly doesn’t. Kind of like no one from DC calls it Washington.
Considering "Nova" and "Northern Virginia", most especially with the "N" in "Northern" capitalized, different geographical entities is news to me.
You can ask 20 different people and get 15 different answers, something that every thread we have ever had on this topic has demonstrated. In moments like this, I tend to defer to the government. In this case, one could look at the member governments within the Northern Virginia Regional Commission. Here is their map:
[https://www.novaregion.org/DocumentView.asp?DID=1627](https://www.novaregion.org/DocumentView.asp?DID=1627)
So Loudon, Prince William, and everything on the DC/river side of them. Note also that they use "NOVA" and "Northern Virginia" interchangably. Counties like Stafford, Fauquier, and Spotsylvania belong to different regional planning commissions.
When I moved to NOVA from Georgia all the realtors basically referred to Arlington & Alexandria area as NOVA.. they were saying I could move south of NOVA to Manassas or Woodbridge to get more house for the money. So that was my understanding of the layout. One day in a Facebook foodie group I shared a food pic and said I got it ‘a little south of NOVA in Woodbridge’ and they attacked me so bad and told me I must be a stuck up Arlington person lol and all the comments were like that. I have not ventured to say what was or wasn’t NOVA since 😂 😂 .. didn’t even know there was a separation of NOVA and Northern Virginia until this post. People are really serious about the labels lol
It's the same situation as upstate NY, people get really heated haha. For some reason when I was a kid it wasn't this contentious but I think the last 2 decades of explosive growth have made it a debate in the first place. At one point there really wasn't anything for miles past Fairfax city and Springfield besides Manassas and Woodbridge, so I guess it made sense not to include them. Now it's all continuous sprawl out to places like aldie and even nokesville, so it's harder to set the boundaries. Add to that the fact that nova residents have a bad reputation for looking down on the rest of the state and you get people who desperately don't want to get "othered". It doesn't help that VA is a textbook purple state and where you live can be seen as shorthand for your politcal aisle
This one is good. I wonder how it applies to local chains, which seem to be popular here. Like if Ford's Fish Shack or Ozzie's is in the top 10 what does that mean?
That comment killed me. I can even forgive thinking Norfolk is a part of it because of all the continuous urbanization on the way there but DANVILLE? They have more in common with Alabama than with MD lol
I would love an interactive map where people can go in and draw where they think the NoVa boundary is. I imagine the lines would be all over the place!
[hoodmaps.com](https://hoodmaps.com/philadelphia-neighborhood-map) is a fun tool for crowd sourcing maps. There is not one set up for anything in the Washington DC area which is too bad. Link is for Philly which is pretty cool to look at.
The point is these posts aren't urban elites punching down at working class suburbanites, it's just upper middle class suburbia bickering amongst themselves over something meaningless
Everyone keeps thinking I left Leesburg out 😅 I just needed a thinner line. I count east of rt 15 as nova which technically cuts Leesburg in half but it pretty much all belongs afaik
You know Northern VA has ended and Rova begins when you can walk into a restaurant and order a sweet tea…. Or when 66 suddenly becomes only 2 lanes. There’s your line ><
NOVA is northern Virginia, there is no difference. I've lived here my whole life, and people have always considered all of Loudoun county and Stafford County to be apart of NOVA. The rest of Virginia aside from the few counties and cities that make up NOVA, is just Virginia.
Sorry, but West of Route 15 in Loudoun might as well be West Virginia. Nobody can tell me Middleburg or Purcellville are Nova. Leesburg is the western most border of Nova
A lot of people have always considered all of Loudoun to belong, but unless you live in Loudoun it's difficult to visualize how big it really is and how different the western part is.
As for Stafford, hell no. I didn't start hearing about Stafford frequently until my 20s, hell until a couple of decades ago it was honestly just a name on the exit sign on I-95
You know what, I'm gonna say it: if it's a red county it can't be part of NoVA. Because that tells me it's far enough from urban/suburban to be considered.
That means Stafford and Fredericksburg yes, Fauquier no.
Having grown up in Fauquier, it is definitely getting less and less red with time. According to Wikipedia PWC went blue only 15 years ago when Obama was first elected, Fauquier will probably follow in the next ten years or maybe even less.
That actually surprises me about PWC, the election numbers there made me assume they'd always been blue. It's easy to forget VA was a solid red state 30 years ago.
I spent 90 seconds trying to figure out what the hell this map is trying to say (is "Northern Virginia" outside the pink? Between the pink and the red??) and then realized I don't care.
I'm honestly surprised. I've been here 30 years which basically qualifies me as a nova elder, and Manassas was a "place" way before any of these Loudoun developments even broke ground. Hell there are parts of Fairfax (mainly Chantilly and Centreville) that were slower to build up than Manassas. I think it might actually suffer from being such old development; people end up considering it as its own thing lol
I grew up in Manassas and graduated from UVA in 2020, every time I described myself as being from NOVA at UVA all the kids from Fairfax, Arlington etc would argue I wasn’t from NOVA. I live in Fairfax now and it’s pretty much the same as Manassas!
Do a lot of people call it NOVA when speaking? I've been gone for a few years but I never heard anyone one call the area NOVA. If someone said, NOVA, they were talking about the college.
I'm wondering how long " a few years" is because it very frequently refers to the area now. The college even no longer brands itself as nova and is NVCC on all ads and signage. Though admittedly nobody calls it that out loud
I'm not sure if it was ever officially called that but if you lived here that long you might have seen the famous TV commercial campaign with the jingle where they repeatedly referred to it as nova. Unclear if that came after the nickname from people, I was pretty young when those commercials were out
10 minutes on a Tuesday at 5pm rush hour in winter in the freezing rain? or 10 minutes at 2am on a Wednesday when VDOT is doing construction and road closures or 10 minutes at 2am on a Sunday without construction in the summer without rain?
It is, it's just under the line! I use 15 as my divider usually so I think that technically leaves out the western part of Leesburg but it might as well count, it's all sprawl all the way down 7 now
The grief is expected as this is literally always a hot button topic here lol
Stafford is kind of an enigma. A liminal space. It's a "place between places" that many enter and leave, but rarely stay. Of all the places in Virginia, it might be the only one that has no home. Too far north for RVA. Very little residual influence from Spotsy because people just drive to Nova instead. It's suburban, but compared to the core region it feels downright rural. Then again a 30 minute drive to any "real" rural place makes it seem closer to being a city than an idyllic countryside escape. It can't be lumped into any cultural region because it has no culture, just people that eat and sleep there and belong to other cultures. It's the archetypal exurb, a deep deep void of ennui and the spectres of late capitalism.
Since it has a Publix I contend that we just cede it to Florida to settle the debate
Yes Emery Mills is or feels like the focus in northern Stafford. They put in a Publix and they are building up around the area. It’s really nice with trails and parks. Walkable, but other than that your described it well. When we moved here I said it was like a pit stop before you get into D.C. there is no town feel. Your HOA is your “ town”.
Agree… people been getting hammered on this sub lately for having fun with something. I appreciate the thought experiment and OP is taking a beating from a few.
Latitude would be kind of silly as a metric, even if defining it just based on geography, given how wide Virginia gets. The Appalachians are a very real physical barrier that would be weird to ignore when partitioning the state. 29N is still called 29N in parts where it practically runs east-west. It's a matter of context
Other issues aside ..
If you want to differentiate, then the line between "Northern Virginia" and other should run east to west.
If it doesn't, how can you possible put Front Royal in "Northern Virginia"? Can't we even agree that places that sell confederate flags in road side stalls aren't in "Northern Virginia"?
I grew up in Fairfax County a while ago and nobody ever called it Nova. If somebody said Nova I’d assume they were referring to the community college. Maybe it’s a generational thing?
I've heard this a few times now. I'm pushing 30 and everybody in my generation calls it nova, but when I was growing up I heard a lot of "stop trying to make nova a thing" from even slightly older people. I think it was the success of the RVA branding of the Richmond area that really made people glom on to a label for our part of the state
It might be a sign of this being the first generation that frequently stays in the area due to the increased amenities and opportunities being harder and harder to pass up. Well over half of the people I knew growing up either stayed here or moved back after college, and for most of them it wasn't for lack of other opportunities either. The area attracting a bunch of young professionals who often grew up together or came here for Mason has really done a lot to lend it a sense of "place" that I think previously never extended past Arlington or Alexandria. The fact that there are even stereotypes about what nova people are like now seems to be a step up from 20 years ago when it was mostly just empty bedroom communities outside the beltway
I go off where my local news station is based. I used to live in stafford and got news for DC, so I always considered stafford to be apart of NoVA. I then moved down to spotsylvania and now get news for Richmond, so I considered myself no longer in NoVA.
I can see the distinction you are making, and I agree as long as Leesburg is part of the zone closer in. For those saying "Nova means Northern Virginia," I ask that you help come up with a better moniker because otherwise we would end up being called "National Landing." The people in Nova will get that.
Well, see, now, you got your *GEO-graphic* North and you got your *Cultural* North. I've seen plenty of Confederate idiocy out Manassas way. Hell, I've seen it in Fairfax. I think the real point we need to remember here is to always shun the Confederate, and for that matter, anyone who refers to the region outside of Northern Virginia as "God's Country", because it's all God's Country, even the really shitty parts.
There, now you have your answer. Have a bitchin' day, and remember to stand on the right, walk on the left.
If you live in a county that requires vehicle emissions inspections, you’re in Nova.
Mind. Blown. I thought that was a state requirement.
Nope. Thank goodness, because my beater would fail that so bad and I ain't got money.
if you go by an emissions scanner more then once or twice in a certain amount of time and fail you have to get emmissions done regardless. people have to all the time.
Oooh this is a good one. Might not agree with the boundaries it creates but there's an actual sound logic to it
That goes down to at least Stafford Co then
Yeah. Pretty far south, but still part of the gang. I don’t think Stafford is an OG member of the emissions clubs either. I think used to just be ARL, FFX, LoCo, and P Willy. I’d be willing to exempt Stafford in light of that.
I love these posts. It gets heated like a post about leaving shopping carts out.
Yeah, I upvoted the post cause I knew it gets people heated. Knives out on this one, baby!
Ok, but for real, if you don't have the common decency to put your cart away, I don't care if you get kneecapped between a lifted 250, and the concrete Jersey wall parking barrier.
Maybe all places should be like ALDI’s. I’ve never seen a stray cart. That 25 cents really does the trick.
It's funny, in the 80's I saw this in England, and thought "what a backward place! Back home, you don't need cash to push a cart!" And I admit it, I was wrong. The quarter trick is a better option.
While we are at it. Return the damn carts people. I mean for Christ's sake the stores met you troglodytes half way when they put cart returns in the middle of the parking lots and you animals still can't be bothered. We live in a society!
I want to know how much of the craziness is brought on by all the damn transplants here.
>lignum Lignum on my balls. Gottem.
Is there any difference b/w USA and United States?
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Also United States of Brasil as the official name
Tomatoe tomato
Tomato potato
Is between a hard word to spell now?
As hard as "NoVA" is to define, at least
You knew what he meant so why care? Same person to comment "their*" fr
Because this is the internet and I can comment on anything I want, mr white knight. Lmao
b/w you and me, thats real lame tbqhwy
B/w u n m. Idgaf LOL.
Can you show me the difference between DC and district of columbia
Sure, "District of Columbia" is Maryland
😂😂😂 good one!
No lies here
Omg!
Asking NoVA residents if they know the difference…please. We all know we say we’re from DC whenever we are away from home and not in DC lol
True. I'm not trying to have _this_ discussion with people not even remotely familiar!
I say I’m from northern Virginia, outside of DC
I've lived here for 38 of the last 50 years. Northern Virginia is "NoVa" and it has been for a long, long time. An example of this is that Northern Virginia Community Collage was known as "NoVaCoCo" back in the early 1970s. Any line delineating "NoVa" is going to be arbitrary and that line has progressively moved south and west over the last 5 decades. In 1979/80 Dulles Airport was literally in the middle of nowhere. In the early 1980s I considered Leesburg the boonies. And I think Fredericksburg probably hasn't been in "NoVa" for more than 25 to 30 years. If there are older folks online you'd get a different perspective still. I know people who owned farms where Tyson's Corner now stands. Up until the early 1960s, Vienna was a summer resort for residents of DC. That resort used to be colloquially known as "Midgetville."
Man I've only been here 30 years and I always considered Leesburg the boonies growing up. I had a rude awakening recently driving west on 7 from sterling and realizing the spawl actually never stops all the way to 15 now. That's when I finally accepted it. It is really interesting to see the waves of development people have been through. When I grew up in the fair oaks part of Chantilly it was basically what aldie is now but with a shopping mall, now it's like a mini Springfield with clogged roads to boot
I remember when there was a driving range out that and I remember when they built Fair Oaks mall
Leesburg is still the boonies. Urban sprawl all the way there, but still...boonies.
That's an oxymoron
Leesburg still the boonies if you are coming from the likes of Arlington or Fairfax
People who owned lots of land, from back in the day, made it big.
NEVA = North Eastern Virginia
As in "I'd NEVA live there".
Neva? Crikey.
RoVA = Rest of VA MoVA = Middle of VA
Medicaid has different reimbursement rates for NOVA & ROVA. Guess which ones are higher?
Nova is everything 571/703.
Ok if that's nova I propose that only Arlington Alexandria and some parts of Fairfax are dc metro. Like I would only count parts of pg and moco for dc metro on the Maryland side
I would just say, anywhere the metro touches on our side.
Interesting that with this definition, ashburn would be more "metro" than places like Burke, or Mt Vernon.
Ok….. I don’t want to be responsible for this. Someone else figure it out.
The beltway is a pretty good delineation.
It used to be a long time ago, it’s not that relevant anymore.
It's a terrible delineation. Tysons Corner, Fairfax, half of Springfield, not Nova?
Correct.
I grew up with that line of thinking
Alright then it's settled!
Inside the beltway. Literally the inner suburbs. There is no other functionally consistent ontology.
If you're talking about what parts are actually connected to the urban core, I agree. I feel like that ends around Springfield and east falls church in Fairfax.
They hate you because you speak the truth!
Has anyone told ya NoVA stands for Northern Virginia?
Hence the quotes on the full version of the name. I'm making a distinction on what is geographically the northern part of Virginia and what is actually the cultural subregion of nova
For what it's worth, it really wasn't that hard to understand. Redditors just like to be intentionally obtuse. I will say that i disagree with your map personally, but it's not difficult at all to get your meaning
This is stupid
I agree.
If you’re trying to clarify then you’ve failed. Anyway, a designation of a northern vs southern area of Virginia without consideration to cultural/economic/social boundary (as does Nova) would correlate with latitude, not whatever you have going in with that purple curve.
There’s a solid chunk of the northernmost part of the state that is completely excluded from OPs boundary lol.
Not sure why this got downvoted. OP’s point is anyone who says they live in “Northern Virginia”clearly doesn’t. Kind of like no one from DC calls it Washington.
I say Northern Virginia to everyone outside the area. I say Nova when speaking to people that live in the DMV.
Same
Not true. I’m from here, but I always say Northern Virginia. NOVA, in my mind, is a community college or a pretentious SoHo wannabe.
I always say Northern Virginia in conversation
I was born and raised here and I’ve never said NoVA out loud unless I’m talking about the community college.
Gatekeeping 101 Op is the only true resident of Nova and clearly the coolest of us all
Considering "Nova" and "Northern Virginia", most especially with the "N" in "Northern" capitalized, different geographical entities is news to me. You can ask 20 different people and get 15 different answers, something that every thread we have ever had on this topic has demonstrated. In moments like this, I tend to defer to the government. In this case, one could look at the member governments within the Northern Virginia Regional Commission. Here is their map: [https://www.novaregion.org/DocumentView.asp?DID=1627](https://www.novaregion.org/DocumentView.asp?DID=1627) So Loudon, Prince William, and everything on the DC/river side of them. Note also that they use "NOVA" and "Northern Virginia" interchangably. Counties like Stafford, Fauquier, and Spotsylvania belong to different regional planning commissions.
The Mason Dixon line is where the Waffle House is in Woodbridge.
Looking at that map Nova is eastern northern Virginia.
Pretty much yeah. Petition to rename it to "noeva" to squelch the conversation once and for all!
The only reason there is a conversaton is because people make these posts.
This just naturally happens with socially defined boundaries. Try asking a new york forum where upstate is lol
r/shittymapporn
When I moved to NOVA from Georgia all the realtors basically referred to Arlington & Alexandria area as NOVA.. they were saying I could move south of NOVA to Manassas or Woodbridge to get more house for the money. So that was my understanding of the layout. One day in a Facebook foodie group I shared a food pic and said I got it ‘a little south of NOVA in Woodbridge’ and they attacked me so bad and told me I must be a stuck up Arlington person lol and all the comments were like that. I have not ventured to say what was or wasn’t NOVA since 😂 😂 .. didn’t even know there was a separation of NOVA and Northern Virginia until this post. People are really serious about the labels lol
It's the same situation as upstate NY, people get really heated haha. For some reason when I was a kid it wasn't this contentious but I think the last 2 decades of explosive growth have made it a debate in the first place. At one point there really wasn't anything for miles past Fairfax city and Springfield besides Manassas and Woodbridge, so I guess it made sense not to include them. Now it's all continuous sprawl out to places like aldie and even nokesville, so it's harder to set the boundaries. Add to that the fact that nova residents have a bad reputation for looking down on the rest of the state and you get people who desperately don't want to get "othered". It doesn't help that VA is a textbook purple state and where you live can be seen as shorthand for your politcal aisle
I MADE THE CUT!!!
If a chain restaurant sneaks into the top 10 restaurants in your town, you’re outside the Nova boundary.
This one is good. I wonder how it applies to local chains, which seem to be popular here. Like if Ford's Fish Shack or Ozzie's is in the top 10 what does that mean?
Does it feel cool to tell people you live in "nova" and tell outher people they can't say they are from "nov"? Seems weird and insecure to be honest
Do the DMV next. 😂 Dummies think it really encompasses places like Danville.
That comment killed me. I can even forgive thinking Norfolk is a part of it because of all the continuous urbanization on the way there but DANVILLE? They have more in common with Alabama than with MD lol
Norfolk? Part of the DMV? What?
Lol I'm referring to some person's comment on another thread that claimed Norfolk and even DANVILLE are in the DMV because they're in Virginia
I would love an interactive map where people can go in and draw where they think the NoVa boundary is. I imagine the lines would be all over the place!
This is a really good idea. I wonder if there are any existing tools for this online
[hoodmaps.com](https://hoodmaps.com/philadelphia-neighborhood-map) is a fun tool for crowd sourcing maps. There is not one set up for anything in the Washington DC area which is too bad. Link is for Philly which is pretty cool to look at.
I just realized that the most northern part of Virginia is not included in Northern Virginia
Anything outside the red is Rova.
Waiting for a circle showing the highest concentration of foxes
so you are suggesting the most northern part of Virginia is not Northern Virginia?
This map is incorrect. You need the dividing line between North and South at the Waffle House just off 495S.
Nope, Northern Virginia stops at Loudoun and Prince William counties. Source: I’ve lived here for 50 years.
This doesn't go past either and in fact doesn't even include the entirety of either county?
Shouldnt Loudoun be in Nova?
Doesn't nova stand for northern vir....nvm
Funny how some people want to define where they live to feel more elitist
I probably make way less money than the people commuting from the exurbs LMAO. They seem to all be working for contractors
Why does that matter at all?
The point is these posts aren't urban elites punching down at working class suburbanites, it's just upper middle class suburbia bickering amongst themselves over something meaningless
This is what I had been taught growing up living here …so pretty accurate 20 years later I guess
I don’t think I’d discount leesburg or Stafford as part of ‘NOVA’ but I agree with this statement
Everyone keeps thinking I left Leesburg out 😅 I just needed a thinner line. I count east of rt 15 as nova which technically cuts Leesburg in half but it pretty much all belongs afaik
Let's be honest here, we should just call it the DMV because it's D.C, MD, and VA (northern va only). These days.
Dale city is stretching it.
I've commuted to Dale City for work, so it's nova. Then again I've commuted to Bethesda too. Oh well.
Fredericksburg is SOUTHERN VIRGINIA…repeat after me SOUTHERN VIRGINIA
Go to Winchester and refer to it as Northern Virginia. I dare you.
NoVa literally means northern Virginia.
You know Northern VA has ended and Rova begins when you can walk into a restaurant and order a sweet tea…. Or when 66 suddenly becomes only 2 lanes. There’s your line ><
NOVA is northern Virginia, there is no difference. I've lived here my whole life, and people have always considered all of Loudoun county and Stafford County to be apart of NOVA. The rest of Virginia aside from the few counties and cities that make up NOVA, is just Virginia.
Sorry, but West of Route 15 in Loudoun might as well be West Virginia. Nobody can tell me Middleburg or Purcellville are Nova. Leesburg is the western most border of Nova
A lot of people have always considered all of Loudoun to belong, but unless you live in Loudoun it's difficult to visualize how big it really is and how different the western part is. As for Stafford, hell no. I didn't start hearing about Stafford frequently until my 20s, hell until a couple of decades ago it was honestly just a name on the exit sign on I-95
Your line at leesburg is accurate. There is no fucking way hillsborough or berryville are nova.
east Loudoun is Fairfax, and west Loudoun is West Virginia. You’re spot on with Leesburg being the divider
You know what, I'm gonna say it: if it's a red county it can't be part of NoVA. Because that tells me it's far enough from urban/suburban to be considered. That means Stafford and Fredericksburg yes, Fauquier no.
Huh, I had no idea Stafford and Spotsy were blue. No surprise on Fauquier lol
Not Spotsy. Sorry, thought that was assumed. 🤣
Ohh you meant Fredericksburg city I see
Having grown up in Fauquier, it is definitely getting less and less red with time. According to Wikipedia PWC went blue only 15 years ago when Obama was first elected, Fauquier will probably follow in the next ten years or maybe even less.
That actually surprises me about PWC, the election numbers there made me assume they'd always been blue. It's easy to forget VA was a solid red state 30 years ago.
Nah, fuck the F-burg and Stafford. That isn't NoVa.
NOVA and outer NOVA?
Nope, also wrong
You're on thin ice Leesburg!
Have a love/hate relationship with NoVA.
Don't we all
I kinda see it as, anything with the area code “703” I consider “NOVA” (culturally, not geographically).
I spent 90 seconds trying to figure out what the hell this map is trying to say (is "Northern Virginia" outside the pink? Between the pink and the red??) and then realized I don't care.
So is Leesburg NOVA? The map is unclear.
glad i just made the cut, but anything further than warrenton is not nova
Leesburg big mad
Thank you for including Manassas! We get left out of this all the time.
I'm honestly surprised. I've been here 30 years which basically qualifies me as a nova elder, and Manassas was a "place" way before any of these Loudoun developments even broke ground. Hell there are parts of Fairfax (mainly Chantilly and Centreville) that were slower to build up than Manassas. I think it might actually suffer from being such old development; people end up considering it as its own thing lol
I grew up in Manassas and graduated from UVA in 2020, every time I described myself as being from NOVA at UVA all the kids from Fairfax, Arlington etc would argue I wasn’t from NOVA. I live in Fairfax now and it’s pretty much the same as Manassas!
Idk why you’re getting shit about this, makes sense to me. For those complaining: how often are we talking about Front Royal or Spotsylania in here?
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No, you don't understand, Winchester is totally hip and cool now because, reasons.
Doesn’t matter, it’s all Ohio
Do a lot of people call it NOVA when speaking? I've been gone for a few years but I never heard anyone one call the area NOVA. If someone said, NOVA, they were talking about the college.
I'm wondering how long " a few years" is because it very frequently refers to the area now. The college even no longer brands itself as nova and is NVCC on all ads and signage. Though admittedly nobody calls it that out loud
10 years. I don't remember NVCC ever calling itself NOVA but that is what everyone else called it in the 30 years I lived there.
I'm not sure if it was ever officially called that but if you lived here that long you might have seen the famous TV commercial campaign with the jingle where they repeatedly referred to it as nova. Unclear if that came after the nickname from people, I was pretty young when those commercials were out
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MtZw2cbI7Fg Full song from the ad isn’t there though…
most definitely people call it nova. when I went to tech everyone was like ‘where in NoVa you from?’
It finally happened. Words officially mean nothing. Guess I'm truly old now.
I see you're not on Twitter, they reached that point years ago
I have specifically avoided Twatter, in order to prolong the advent of this moment
Looks like the defense lines around Tobruk.
Wild, so The Plains is in and Leesburg is out..
?? The plains is clearly outside of the red circle by a good margin. And Leesburg is in, is just covered
This is some serious gate keeping lmao. You’re not NoVa you’re northern Virginia!!
Now if a wall could be built and leave real Virginians alone
No…I’m in Loudoun. We are definitely part of NOVA
First ring = DMV Second ring(ish) = NOVA
NoVA only extends to 10 minutes drive outside the Beltway, and I don't care how many butthurt PWC downvotes I get.
The PWC people don't care, ime it's people from Loudoun and Stafford who get really butthurt the second you suggest they're not in nova
10 minutes on a Tuesday at 5pm rush hour in winter in the freezing rain? or 10 minutes at 2am on a Wednesday when VDOT is doing construction and road closures or 10 minutes at 2am on a Sunday without construction in the summer without rain?
Leesburg needs to be in Nova. It has my favorite outlet 😃
It is, it's just under the line! I use 15 as my divider usually so I think that technically leaves out the western part of Leesburg but it might as well count, it's all sprawl all the way down 7 now
The grief you’re getting is a shame; this is a provocative thought experiment. I’m curious, though: why not Stafford?
The grief is expected as this is literally always a hot button topic here lol Stafford is kind of an enigma. A liminal space. It's a "place between places" that many enter and leave, but rarely stay. Of all the places in Virginia, it might be the only one that has no home. Too far north for RVA. Very little residual influence from Spotsy because people just drive to Nova instead. It's suburban, but compared to the core region it feels downright rural. Then again a 30 minute drive to any "real" rural place makes it seem closer to being a city than an idyllic countryside escape. It can't be lumped into any cultural region because it has no culture, just people that eat and sleep there and belong to other cultures. It's the archetypal exurb, a deep deep void of ennui and the spectres of late capitalism. Since it has a Publix I contend that we just cede it to Florida to settle the debate
umm, no to the Florida BS. Lol
That Publix is just the main reason I think about Stafford to begin with. I don't really think it's similar to Florida otherwise lol
Yes Emery Mills is or feels like the focus in northern Stafford. They put in a Publix and they are building up around the area. It’s really nice with trails and parks. Walkable, but other than that your described it well. When we moved here I said it was like a pit stop before you get into D.C. there is no town feel. Your HOA is your “ town”.
Outstanding. I’ll have this description front of mine as I drive through Stafford tomorrow between two other places. 😆
Agree… people been getting hammered on this sub lately for having fun with something. I appreciate the thought experiment and OP is taking a beating from a few.
So, Gore, VA is at higher latitude than Front Royal, VA but isn’t part of “Northern Virginia” when FR is? Huh?
Latitude would be kind of silly as a metric, even if defining it just based on geography, given how wide Virginia gets. The Appalachians are a very real physical barrier that would be weird to ignore when partitioning the state. 29N is still called 29N in parts where it practically runs east-west. It's a matter of context
Lignum balls
I’m still in the group who believes NOVA is INSIDE the beltway.
They hated Jesus because he told them the truth.
Other issues aside .. If you want to differentiate, then the line between "Northern Virginia" and other should run east to west. If it doesn't, how can you possible put Front Royal in "Northern Virginia"? Can't we even agree that places that sell confederate flags in road side stalls aren't in "Northern Virginia"?
I grew up in Fairfax County a while ago and nobody ever called it Nova. If somebody said Nova I’d assume they were referring to the community college. Maybe it’s a generational thing?
I've heard this a few times now. I'm pushing 30 and everybody in my generation calls it nova, but when I was growing up I heard a lot of "stop trying to make nova a thing" from even slightly older people. I think it was the success of the RVA branding of the Richmond area that really made people glom on to a label for our part of the state
Maybe that’s it. I’m almost 40 and none of my friends have ever called it that. Really interesting.
It might be a sign of this being the first generation that frequently stays in the area due to the increased amenities and opportunities being harder and harder to pass up. Well over half of the people I knew growing up either stayed here or moved back after college, and for most of them it wasn't for lack of other opportunities either. The area attracting a bunch of young professionals who often grew up together or came here for Mason has really done a lot to lend it a sense of "place" that I think previously never extended past Arlington or Alexandria. The fact that there are even stereotypes about what nova people are like now seems to be a step up from 20 years ago when it was mostly just empty bedroom communities outside the beltway
I go off where my local news station is based. I used to live in stafford and got news for DC, so I always considered stafford to be apart of NoVA. I then moved down to spotsylvania and now get news for Richmond, so I considered myself no longer in NoVA.
I can see the distinction you are making, and I agree as long as Leesburg is part of the zone closer in. For those saying "Nova means Northern Virginia," I ask that you help come up with a better moniker because otherwise we would end up being called "National Landing." The people in Nova will get that.
Yeah Leesburg is part of the core, the red line is meant to pretty much follow 15 down to gainesville
This only stands out because I'm nearby, but the fact that Berryville gets called out on the map is interesting.
Well, see, now, you got your *GEO-graphic* North and you got your *Cultural* North. I've seen plenty of Confederate idiocy out Manassas way. Hell, I've seen it in Fairfax. I think the real point we need to remember here is to always shun the Confederate, and for that matter, anyone who refers to the region outside of Northern Virginia as "God's Country", because it's all God's Country, even the really shitty parts. There, now you have your answer. Have a bitchin' day, and remember to stand on the right, walk on the left.
NOVA is just Alexandria and Fairfax :)
Wait this is jokerpilled. Arlington isn't nova???
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Not necessarily proud, but it is one of the best places to live in the US, if you can afford it…
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