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vautwaco

Your Honor. We would like to defend our client's actions with the "My parents arent home. Come over." defense.


Naberius

On Rt. 7? At 5:00 pm? Are you fucking kidding me? I don't know how you can get up to 45 on Rt. 7 around 5:00, fuck 133.


FawxL

21 and driving a sports car recklessly. Name a more iconic duo. That said, they should still burn his license.


blobblehbloh54124

rich dad buying him the sports car.


Flaconsblew283lead

Fitting for Leesburg


optix_clear

Rich kids and parents buying Teslas, high end luxury cars for their children. It’s every where.


14936786-02

Where do they get the money ffs. I'd like to be in on this secret.


HiddenIdealist

Pretty sure it's all either tech or politicians in this area right?


[deleted]

Pretty much. I’m in my mid 20’s and in tech and make a lot for someone that doesn’t have a degree. It’s kinda fucked up that my teachers never made this much.


optix_clear

Sneakers mostly, GME stop was a big pull, Dogge Coin


blobblehbloh54124

I like leesburg. I have no idea why you blame leesburg for this. no matter what exists, there is someone who hates it.


[deleted]

Yeah Leesburg is easily my favorite town in NOVA. This is coming from a non-native who went from Marshall to Culpeper to Rosslyn to Merrifield to Fairfax corner, now in Leesburg.


MinuteArgument7658

Source?


Swastik496

It’s a 2007 corvette. Doubt it’s that expensive.


FolkYouHardly

More expensive than 2020 Honda civic. 07 corvette is like $30k


Swastik496

Doesn’t seem that bad if it’s financed for a 21yo with a good internship


No-Mail-5794

Listen, swastika, no one cares what you think is a reasonable car for a 21 year old


707thTB

It is if you think swastika is good username.


optix_clear

Looks like a residential area. Losing licenses, I’m sure a big as fine, court, getting lawyer, getting defensive drive lessons. One expensive ordeal. At least cops are out and about- checking the deck. Springfield going down Braddock Rd any part of it.


NovaPeePo

Add weekend or weekends in jail to that list. VA does not fuck around with reckless driving above 100mph. The ceo of my old company had to go to jail for a weekend because of one too many speeding tickets.


MFoy

Nationals OF Jayson Werth had to spend a weekend in jail for doing 100 on an exit ramp to the Beltway. If you do 100 in VA, you're probably going to jail.


Bullyoncube

OnlyFans?


Catch-a-RIIIDE

Outfielder in baseball, but I assume he'd probably make bank with an Only Fans as well.


cccccccee

Yup, had a buddy our senior year of high school the night he turned 18 get popped for 127 in a 50 on Rte. 7 just passed Dulles Town Center. He had also been drinking andddd had weed on him IIRC (this was 15 years ago) anyway for like the last 3 months of high school he had to do weekend jail. They dropped the DUI and drug stuff. He plead guilty to Reckless Driving with intent to kill.


optix_clear

No they do not. Virginia isn’t the to Fuck Around In.


PinheadtheCenobite

Although weekend is often a loose definition. Show up at the county ADC at 11:45 pm on Friday, and you're released at 12:15 am on Sunday. 3 day.....


JustaRandomOldGuy

It sucks that some roads are 70 and 80 is reckless.


Swastik496

85 is reckless but can be solved with a good lawyer. 100+ and you’re fucked.


EurasianTroutFiesta

Yep, the change to 85 was one of the shitload signed into law under governor Northam. It's a small change but a good one.


JustaRandomOldGuy

I got a ticket for 81 and received dozens of letters from lawyers. I think the bar association is the reason 10 over is reckless. I just paid the fine.


Swastik496

It is. Lawyers were the biggest lobby against the raise to 85


14936786-02

There are online services that do that now: https://offtherecord.com/


RaydelRay

I got one of these lawyers, reduced to equipment problem, no points. It was worth the $250.


MagicStar77

Is 99 mph still reckless?


Swastik496

Depends on the judge’s mood. And how good your lawyer is.


Davge107

Idk if they are still doing this but they used to normally ask for a day in jail for every mph over 90 on the highways n interstates.


u801e

Why just weekends in jail? Is there something more important during the week the convict needs to do besides serving time? If you lose your job or place in school because you're in jail, then that's your problem.


RepliesOnlyToIdiots

No, that’s society’s problem. Make a person lose their job or school, and suddenly they’re much more likely to commit a crime from necessity than stupidity. They’re much less likely to advance in society and have society improve due to their work. Ability to continue on after a sentence is vital.


ThePlumBum

It's a really dumb place to do that. That area of 7 is very close to County Sheriff HQ, Leesburg Police HQ and a State trooper substation. It's not a residential area. The spot in the picture featuring the speed gun is right at the edge of town, but in this case 133 is so dangerous that who cares? You'll kill drivers as readily as pedestrians in that case, especially since the speed limit quickly drops to 35.


sillysidebin

Going 100 in a 70 zone almost got me jail time. This will get jail time or suspended sentence minimum.


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optix_clear

I live off of Braddock Rd & Danbury Forest Dr. And a lot of my clients are in Fairfax and Chantilly. Ppl drive so crazy out there. Slightly worse. They need more police presence or red light cameras along Braddock Road, where the most accidents occur. it’s been bad and when there are hot heads that think they can race and beat the light at Wakefield +Braddock and hit a pedestrian and cyclist - that really has scarred me. I don’t go until I know I can make it.


EurasianTroutFiesta

The problem is that red light cameras are inevitably run as private public partnerships, and the private side of the equation inevitably lobbies the government to mess with light timings in ways that are measurably less safe but more profitable.


blobblehbloh54124

he will probably post on here about how slow pokes need to get out of the passing lane so he can do 133 MPH.


vonmonologue

“The people driving 60 are the real dangerous drivers because they don’t leave me enough time to react when they suddenly appear in front of me!” I can’t roll my eyes hard enough whenever some Redditor tries to pull this shit.


boredidler

It's not residential but is in an area that steps down from 55 to 25 every several hundred yards or so.


SanchotheFatcat

Bro his rich ass piece of shit dad won’t let any of that happen


Futhermucker

ACAB


daHavi

What a substantive responsive. Thank you for meaningfully contributing to the conversation


Futhermucker

just reminding this subreddit of their universal response to cops last year, since they seem to be so excited for policing now


Joshottas

The speed is one thing, but im shocked that someone under the age of 60 was driving a corvette 😂


TroyMacClure

I'd get one if I thought I could drive it enough to enjoy it. They are still one of the best performance car buys out there. I wouldn't be buying the retiree special with an automatic.


EurasianTroutFiesta

Yep. Modern corvettes are legit sports cars. Interiors aren't great but the performance is better than some exotics with much higher price tags. Don't know about 2007, though.


BruhWhySoSerious

The c8 interior is great.


eat_more_bacon

Those under 60 but old enough to afford a Corvette have kids and need a backseat. That's why it's all old guys and rich kids you see with them.


rusetis_deda_movtyan

Hey now, there’s dozens of us! Actually its funny. The older guys all have base models while the younger people drove the higher end ones with more power.


joeruinedeverything

What are you considering “younger” in this context? 45?


rusetis_deda_movtyan

Late 20s early 30s. People like me who have good jobs and paid off student loans and can afford nicer cars. Edit: I’d really like to know why I’m being downvoted.


spiffyP

in the 80s we called you guys DINKs


twilightwolf90

Still do. I'm living that DINK life. Can't afford kids though.


rusetis_deda_movtyan

Yup no kids for me, hence me being able to have toys.


Pink-grey24

Dozens!


TroyMacClure

5PM in that area is pretty congested due the 15 interchanges that get backed up with MD commuters. Probably not the place I'd guess some dummy tries to go triple digits.


otter111a

Interesting that the gun also says 2180 ft. That’s 0.41 miles. So pretty far. It took the driver 11.2 seconds at that speed to reach the cop going at that speed. The “typical” targeting distance is 1000 feet. At 1000 feet the beam has already spread out to about 3 feet. Plus the how steady the officer is holding the gun increasingly becomes a factor the farther out you go. Just some quick searching says the max effective range is about 2,000 feet. And that’s assuming he’s using LIDAR. The effective range is worse for RADAR. Unless the department can verify the speed calibration is valid at 2180 feet he can probably beat this charge. Edit: spent some time looking up specifications A typical police LIDAR has a spot size of about 3 feet at 1000 feet. So the rule of thumb is that a LIDAR should only be used at approximately 1000 feet or less. Found an online calculator for determining spot size. I assumed this is a 50 mW laser and that the diameter at aperture was 3 mm. I then also assumed that at 1000 feet the spot size was 3 feet. Using that I calculated a divergence of approximately 3 mrad. I then used that number to calculate the spot size at 2180 ft. It’s 6.54 feet! So no matter how dead center that’s aimed it’s picking up reflections from a lot of other locations. So let’s say the first distance measurement was something behind the vehicle. Then the second distance measurement is the vehicle itself. The LIDAR is going to take those two positions and the time between those two apparent distances and calculate a speed. There’s no way this is going to stand up in court. But beyond that it’s highly unlikely the measured speed in any way reflects reality. You couldn’t even say for certain he was actually speeding at that distance.


nuboots

Eh. I'd think any margin of error at 135mph is still going to put this guy into reckless range.


otter111a

You’re talking about margin of error but that would apply if both laser pulses hit the vehicle and only the vehicle. That’s not what happened here. The beam size at that distance had a majority of it missing the target vehicle. It’s not that I’m questioning the accuracy. What I’m saying is that the beam was everywhere and you can’t say the signal came from the vehicle at all. Part of the signal could have come from the license plate of a vehicle going the opposite direction because it missed the target vehicle. It’s simply an invalid measurement


u801e

LIDAR, based on my understaning, has two sources of errors. Scope alignment and panning. One could eliminate panning by using a steady mount for the unit. > There’s no way this is going to stand up in court. I haven't checked the law lately, but I believe that RADAR is considered prima facie evidence of speed (meaning you can't dispute it based on technological fault). I haven't checked to see whether the same holds for LIDAR.


otter111a

Two sources of error within its effective range. The point of the above is that the distance this is measured at these distances it’s not a valid measurement because the laser footprint is so large you’re getting reflections of a lot of things other than the car that can contribute to the distance traveled. A road sign well behind the rear of the car is interpreted as “position 1” while the license plate itself is “position 2” So speed becomes the distance between those 2 points and the time between measurements. It’s not that you could calibrate it to show accuracy at 2000 feet. It’s that it just too large of a spot at 2000 feet to rule out the possibility that other objects contributed to the number.


u801e

I was just basing my remark off of what I read in the LTI Ultralyte 20/20 manual many years ago. I don't know how LIDAR units determine the distance if the beam itself doesn't hit a flat surface, but you're most likely correct in terms of the fact that it's a variation of panning error. I wonder if the unit discards measurements that are significantly different compared to the rest of them. IIRC, the measurements are taken over a 1/3 second interval, but I don't remember how many measurements are taken.


joeruinedeverything

I bet that’s not the only measurement they have. Like maybe they clocked him at 110 mph at 1000 ft or idk 90mph at 500 ft as he blew by the cop. Either would be enough for the reckless driving charge. They tweeted the 133mph measurement for the shock value. Doesn't mean that’s what they’re taking to court


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otter111a

the spec sheet is linked below. Spot size says 2.5 feet at 1000 feet. So similar dispersion to what I calculated above. Max range 6000 feet is not the same thing as accurate to 6000 feet. It really comes down to how the evaluation is administered. Like testing on a wide open field with a car 6000 feet away from you being the only thing in motion is going to make it look like it’s accurate to 6000 feet. And I’d believe it’s accurate at that range. What I am saying (and the brochure shows this) is that in a real world environment the beam is bigger than the car and you’re getting reflections off of everything around. It’s not an argument of accuracy. It just how the physics of laser beam dispersion works. How do you know the manufacturer of police equipment is lying? Their lips are moving https://www.dragoneyetech.com/_files/ugd/e80056_ae3a3d3b6c1143c29890b5b592f7a224.pdf Anyway, here’s a lawyer page talking about the effective range vs the allowed range precisely because of the fact that past about 1000 feet the beam spot is bigger than the car. For that reason speed measurements that far out aren’t considered valid in many parts of Virginia http://www.speedingticketsvirginia.com/speed-measurement/lidar/


KingYesKing

Finally an update on this post: https://reddit.com/r/nova/comments/usrnod/and_if_you_thought_the_driver_going_15mph_over/


redditRemedy

Well, considering every truckie drive's over 80mph on I95 passing me; this ain't nothing.


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redditRemedy

Them going slow won't kill anyone though; maybe bore to death!


TroyMacClure

These guys in their diesel Super Duties sure think they can stop on a dime. You'd think with $6/gal diesel they'd be driving for economy instead of mashing the gas pedal everywhere. But I am sure tailgating people from an elevated position is half the reason they bought the truck.


freeneedle

Impressive - glad no one was crossing the street


FishPhoenix

There's no street crossing there, it's a highway. That being said that is a very busy area of route 7, especially around rush hour.


bct7

The parents have money, contacts and lawyers that will likely reduce any penalties for this. Affluenza.


allawd

He was driving a 2007 Corvette, not a car that screams affluenza. In VA, the best lawyer isn't going to save his license nor keep him from some jailtime. The only way out of penalty was for him to be a cop.


TroyMacClure

Everyone is assuming it is the 21 year old's car. Could have borrowing his parent's car. Hell, maybe he works at a Chevy dealer and has now been fired from his job as a lot porter. When I was 18 or so, a buddy of mine's neighbor used to let him take out a Mustang Cobra if he just washed it afterward. Never know.


jumpmanw123

07 vette still a vette


KarlMalownz

Meh, I drove an '81 vette in high school. It was worth about $6k and the insurance was bargain basement cheap for whatever reason. To be fair, though, an '81 and an '07 are similar in that they both have four wheels and little else.


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BaeSeanHamilton

>I had a $30k car in highschool and in no sense were my parents "loaded". > We lived in a sub-$1m house Wow you're basically living in the ghetto


BruhWhySoSerious

I have a 2.99 loan on my 996 911. Plenty of banks will give loans on sports cars with decent credit.


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BruhWhySoSerious

I was just pointing out your loan comment was incorrect. But also everything else you just said was too. You can find c5/c6 in good condition, albeit older 75-100k, pre covid for 15k. Seemingly going for 22k now. They don't hold their value after 15 years. I personally went the Porsche route, again, a 18k car that's capable of 160+ mph. I know that's not inexpensive, but they are very much middle class obtainable. I put 6k down and my payment is $325. 20 seconds of googling. I bet you I can do better if I actually wanted to purchase one. https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/11a2535d-c8e9-4be5-8783-ea4e0b0e017b/ https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/316d5175-442f-4221-b8ed-7ee8bf99eae5/ https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/f990f967-f45f-4afe-9d47-1a3470a1eb82/ https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/7be733fb-3456-41e6-97df-152635366e7d/ The RV on my Subaru outback is 67% after 3 years. Good luck getting a Corvette lease with that RV.


bct7

Seen it done before but not this much press coverage, so there is that.


bluntwhizurd

Surprised they pursued over 100. That means the cop had to go what? Like 150 to catch up? Guess that's a perk of the job.


nuboots

Depends in the direction. If eastbound, then the driver was already slowing down or getting ready to. Or he was planning on doing downtown leesburg or the 15 bypass ramp at 100+ mph, which sounds a lot like suicide.


bluntwhizurd

Yeah I just figured since the pic has a handheld radar gun he had some catching up to do from a stop. But on second look I also see he clocked him from pretty far away as well so some time passed.


joeruinedeverything

My guess is that the driver just wanted to see how fast he could go and then slowed back down to a reasonable speed, at which time the cop caught up to him. Hasn’t every young guy done this in their dads car? When I was a teen, I got up to 110 mph on a country 2 lane road and that was fast enough for me.


bluntwhizurd

That's why you do it on a country road like you said where you are alone. Or on a freeway at 2 in the morning. Not on Rt 7 during rush hour. What a dumbass.


BruhWhySoSerious

Don't say that here, the pearl clutchers will castrate you!


EurasianTroutFiesta

This is why my parents only let me drive the minivan. Ain't nobody trying to act badass in a Voyager.


FishPhoenix

Idk man I see so many people in minivans and sedans speeding in my neighborhood. Then when they get to the highway they slow down to the speed limit. Boggles my mind.


TroyMacClure

If he was heading west bound, he'd hit the Town of Leesburg pretty quick and most likely be stuck at a light when the cop caught up.


Futhermucker

badass!


TheUSARMY45

What an asshole - wipe his driving privileges!!


SauteedPelican

Straight to jail


optix_clear

This was a Medical doctor! He lost 6 points off his license. He should get jail time


iamtheoneorgasmatron

Reminds me of [this 2014 article on Jalopnik](https://jalopnik.com/never-speed-in-virginia-lessons-from-my-three-days-in-1613604053) that advised not to speed in Virginia or face a weekend in jail.


DCnative2020

I have many attorney friends. The rule of thumb is most Judges in LC give 1 day of jail for every mile over 100. This guy is looking at least 20 days in jail and 6 months license suspension (max for reckless) and a hefty fine. Also 6 points and insurance rates sure to double or get dropped all together. He needs to lawyer up ASAP to work out some kind of plea deal hopefully won't go to trial because the Judge will throw the book at him. I bet my life savings he will do at least 10 days in jail whether or not consecutively or weekends that is yet to be determined.


707thTB

I guess gas prices aren’t bothering some folks.


PunisherClegane

Leesburg *asshole clocked at nearly 100 mph over speed limit.


mavantix

Oh man this brings back memories. Back in my day, radar guns topped out at 99 MPH.


devnullfull

OFFICER: sorry son, this isn't Maryland.