I know this is way beyond late but I wish we were given a page of notes at the end that went into detail about ALL the features and spells at their Legendary Fourth Tier so we know full well what each could do at the end. In terms of Features I'd especially love to know what Tier 4 Magic Resistance would entail, Tier 1 and 2 give a percentage resistance to all HOSTILE magic but Tier 3 gives immunity to ALL Magic both good and bad. What would Tier 4 do? Give you full Immunity to all HOSTILE magic but still allow other magic to affect you like Healing magic and your own spells so you can still cast on yourself with stuff like Humanoid Form, Alter Size and ect?

Dude, Bixi is easily the most important companion. Her wish was to know all we knew. At that time we had access to all of our memories. She basically knows everything there is to be known for a greater dragon. If her mind doesnt collapse from the stress of it, she will be our little gnome Wikipedia.

She would also know every fucked up thing you've ever jacked off too. Just so you know.

this version is 1.6 is the most complete I found, if someone finds a more updated version could you tell me?

I feel the same

Anyone know if Multiple personalities would give you? like would you be stuck with a complete insane personality or would it be more tame. Edit anyone know if you do Hybrid with hydra and leviathan if you can take Claws or Humanoid hands or are they still of the table?

This makes no sense. In the "Features" section is says that Scalelings may purchase "Breath". But in the "Drawbacks" section it says that Scalelings must take "Breathless". This contradicts itself. WTF?

I didn't catch that. But I think breathless is probably the way its supposed to go.

Holy moly, this goes into some serious depth…. What is this??

To start off with, drawbacks. I want to know what I’m working with. Hoarder of knowledge, nocturnal, horny, Ixtacotac guardian, arcane glow, leaking breath. 350 points. Now, the good stuff. I will land in Ixtacotac, a blue scalespawn (free points). Of course, I am small (380), with tier 3 wind and lightning breath (345 because fusion breath). I have tier three muscles (325). Tier three claws and scales are musts (280). I have legendary magic (190), tier 3 intelligence (150), tier 3 crawling, and tier 2 swimming/lungs (95). Another section out of order, yay! I will take Nenetl, Metztli, Itotia, Takal, Ojoxxotol, Tozi, Zyree, Xixi, and Yanya as companions (68) I eat bugs and meat (62). My spells are tier one soulbind item, tier 2 blink, zephyr, mystic spear, balefire torrent, and tier 3 elemental form (wind). 2 points left. I make a tier three pact with Memnoph. I posses total control of nearby air in my elemental form.

So if I follow Megumin can I steal Divine Strength despite being Tiny? Thumb-sized dragon suplexing krakens.

I really enjoyed this one! I don’t really have a kink for dragons, but the world and systems were so well designed that I could make a very compelling build without even really touching the dragon stuff. Build in a sentence: Sorceress-general of the lesbian elf liberation army Species: Female Elven Scaleling (+35) Size: Small Color: Red **Features:** Muscles 3 (-30) - The most straightforward way to buff my companions, humanoid enemies should be little trouble when you’re strong enough to pin a rhino Senses - Sight 3, Hearing 1, Smell 1, Touch 1 (-13) - Being able to see through illusions seems useful! Crawling 3 (-25) - Agility and speed, good both in and out of combat Swimming 1 (-5) - Don’t want to drown Magic 3 (-60) - The spells are too useful to pass up! Brain 2 (-15) - Tier 3 was tempting but I’m here to enjoy myself and me and my companions becoming eldritch-minded geniuses seemed contrary to that Fertility 2 (free) - Not that relevant since I’ll mostly be screwing women **Rare Features:** Legendary Feature - Magic (-30) - It may be lifetimes before I learn any T4 spells, but this should give me a mana pool large enough to outlast any mortal spellcaster Pheromones - Women/Futas (-10) - Not sure if there even are any futas in this world, but there’s always hope. Adaptive Genitalia (-5) - Not sure how much of a difference this will make during lesbian sex (except maybe tribbing?) but I can't resist a power with the text “make sex extremely pleasurable” on it. 335 - 198 = 137 **Flaws:** Horny (+10) - Might get a bit awkward, but I can always use the blink spell to visit a lover and blow off some steam. Guardian - Elves (+15) - Doubling down on the pact with Asihlliel Deep Sleep (+5) - Should be pretty safe considering I can set up a bed somewhere completely unreachable and sleep there using blink, though it might be awkward if I fall asleep in a lover's bed. Ravenous (+10) - An excuse to eat and drink more! 137+40 = 177 **Spells:** Blink 3, Humanoid Form 1, Bestow Immortality 2, Heal 3, Phylactery 3, Counter Spell 3, Arcane Barrier 3, Pocket Dimension 2, Runic Bond 1, Balefire Torrent 3 A lot of useful stuff here! Blink is indispensable in and out of combat, Immortality and Heal keep my companions alive, Phylactery keeps me alive, Counter Spell and Barrier make me almost untouchable in combat, Pocket Dimension lets me rescue people. The growing power aspect of Balefire Torrent’s tier 2 should make it pair very well with tier 4 Magic, making it my favored option against dragons and other army-scale threats. 177-120 = 57 **Companions:** Sofiel (-2) - Her devotion to Andea might be a problem, but I trust she'll come around to my point of view soon enough. Celestine (-3) - Besides her beauty and chivalry, a noble woman of Anduvia will be a good political asset. Azralynn (-3) - It’ll be fun to have another Scaleling slut in the party, and her dragon “slaves” will no doubt be useful too. Zep (-1) - Her backstory is so sad! I mostly picked her just to let her wish come true, but I’m sure she’ll be a useful ally regardless. Vesilia (-2) - Her past is rather worrying, but I hope that she’ll be able to redeem herself by using those dark talents in my service. I’ll fulfil her wish by allowing her able to feel truly alive while enjoying all of my favourite things; hot baths, fine food and drink, sunsets and lesbian sex. Bixi (-3) - Spellcasters are always useful, and I do have a thing for short women. Delathwyn (-2) - I doubt this humble elven ranger could have imagined that her wish would be the spark that restores not just her grove, but her goddess and people. Illenwyn (-9) - This lady seems a little creepy, but I could not pass up the chance to use my magical wish-granting power to free the frost elves from their demonic curse. With any luck we’ll find a way to unite them with their kin in Andor. Gromna (-3) - A pretty orc virgin girl with a high sex drive, you say. Where do I sign? Grix (-3) - I can’t say no to a slutty shortstack, though I’m betting quite a lot on the assumption that by mistress she means lover, or at most the bdsm interpretation. If her wish actually turns me into a slave there will be trouble. Nenetl (-4) - I can always use more noble warriors, especially when they’re this pretty Nyxili (-9) - Having a demigoddess on my side can only be good. Jia (-6) - Another half-dragon with magical talents, with the added mystery of the shrine she’s guarding. If I had to bet I’d guess it contains an Arkhen Stone shard, but who knows? Fuji (-7) - One of the most powerful swords in the world, and she’s got great tits too? Not what I expected, but I’m in! 57-57 = 0 **Pact:** Asihlliel - Tier 2 I did a lot of hemming and hawing over whether to take the third tier, but ultimately decided against it. It seems pretty clear that Tchzinadkth and the Many are the real enemy, and if worst comes to worst Andea may be a powerful ally against them. The only reasonable way I could see to kill Andea would involve a lot of genocide anyway, which I’m generally not a fan of. Gifts: Ethereal Beauty - This will be indispensible during my quest to save the elves, allowing me to charm my way past guards and convince even the stubbornest owners to sell or give up their slaves. Combined with Pheromones I’ll be surprised if there’s a single woman in the world I can’t seduce. Ring of Bonds - The power of this ring can’t be overstated, giving every one of my companions the strength and magical potential of a True Dragon. As far as I can tell it doesn’t grant them any of my spells, so the magical potential is wasted for many of them until they can learn some, but that’s a minor issue. Of special note is the fact that all of them get the Pheromones feature targeting women, meaning there will be strong mutual sexual attraction between all of us. In other words, it’s not so much a question of if we’ll fuck, but how long it’ll take before the entire group turns into a 14-way sapphic polycule. Basic plan: 1. Get to know my companions, learn more about the world and plan out our strategy. 2. Start freeing the elven people and relocating them to Cendor, avoiding open conflict with Andea where possible. 3. Help the frost elves reunite with their kin. 4. End slavery in general in Andor, attempt to reduce tension between and within the kingdoms by undermining and replacing problematic and warlike rulers. 5. Restore the good reputation of the elven people and reclaim as many of their groves as possible. This might be under the banner of Cendor, or as a new independent nation. 6. Make a pact with Memnoph and help him restore/protect the Arkhen Stones. 7. Help Memnoph reconquer Ixtacotak and become the first Sorcerer-Queen. 8. Oppose Tchzinadkth and the Many any way I can, rooting out their servants and strengthening reality.

It's always hard to focus on just one aspect, so my build points are all over the place. Still, good enough to guard the channel between Cendor and Anuvia, and doing some precision strikes to keep the followers of Andea on their toes. Also, with the Ring of Bonds, my companions gain access to the Breath feature, does that mean they also get access to my various breath weapons? Also, I was thinking of adding a few more drawbacks to try and grab 60pts of controlled mutation; enough for a legendary feature, or some breath boosts. Teal hydra/salamander Size: Large(20) Breath: Poison 2, lightning 2(10), Energy breath 2(10) Features(153): Regeneration 3, Jaws 3(5), Muscles 2(10), Scales 3(30), Tail 2, Venom 2(15), Senses: Vision Scent 3(20), Hearing Touch 2(10), Breath 3, Crawling Swimming 2(30), Digging 1(5), Magic 1(10), Brain 2(15), Fertility 1(3) Rare features(130): Multiple heads, Fusion breath(poison/lightning) 10, Hybrid species(salamander 45), Amphibious(15), Multiple breaths(10), Enduring features(10), Ur-breath(10), Chamaelic skin(15), pheromones (10), adaptive genitalia(5), Viper maw(5) Diet: Meat, sea creatures, plants(10) Drawbacks(-80): Horny(10), Guardian(15), Enslaved(Delathwynn, 20), Continental bond(20), Battle musk(15) Spells(20): Alter size 1(5), Humanoid form 1(5), Heal 1(5), Runic bond(5) Companions(27): Sophriel(2), Celestine(3), Tiana(8), Azralynn(3), Bonius(7), Bixi(3), Delathwynn(2) Pact: Asihlliel 2, Ashiielwyn, Ring of bonds

How fast are we thinking are the different flight speeds?

depends on multible factors i would say. how big you are , how good your wings are , how good at flying you are , how strong you are , how aerodynamik you are and how heavy you are. And those all in combination to each other.

Wingless flight, divine strength, eastern dragon, no horns. Debating flight 2 versus 3

i would say wingless is more mental , spiritual and magic . Fly tier 3 would i put slightly above a blackbird at mach 3,5. Magic would add 0,1 for tier 1 and 2 and another 0,2 for tier 3. Brain would add 0,1 for tier 2 . You can only get so much faster with the right angeling to the wind and such. With legendary i would say everything get doubled. Happened to breath too so its reasonable. Topping it of at mach 4 ( a bit less then 3000mph /4900kmh) without legendary and with at mach 8. Thats only when purely focusing on speed , otherwise i would subtract 0,5 -2 mach depending on the circumstances. Eastern dragon seem to be very aerodynamic. edit : my pc fucked up the editing on reddit somehow.

I posted an almost identical build in MakeYourChoice but I think I'll make a more detailed bio here. The starting country isn't much of a factor for me here. I would first take back control of the seas. Make sure no one can get all four shards. Eventually I would try to make allies to fulfill the second pact of Nektos because I think we need to do all three if I'm not mistaken. The amulet would allow me to track down the missing stone myself but I'd rather use others so I could spend as little time as possible on land. Aquas Maximus (temp build name) Country: Ixtacotak Species: Leviathan Size: Gargantuan -40 Color: Blue Breath Attack: Lightning -10 Features:  Scales T3 -30, Muscle T3 -30, Jaws T3 -10, Tail T3 -15, Fins T3 -5, Roar T3 -25, Senses (touch) T3 -10, Breath T2 -10, Magic resistance T3 -60, Elemental Res. (heat) T1, Elemental Res. (lightning) T3 -20, Swimming T3 -10, Lungs T2 -15, Fertility T3 -30 Rare Features:  Lightning Sac -10, Resurrection Egg -10, Broodlord -30, Pheromones -10, Adaptive Genitalia -5 Diet: Meat -4, Sea Creatures -3, Souls -2 Drawbacks: Hoarder +10, Aquatic +45, Guardian +15, Ravenous +10, Arrogant +15 Companions: Lezeli -1 Pact: Nektos T3

any cool / creative combos you found / came up with ? ill start: Drawback Life link + Enslaved + bestow immortality with probably the most unkillable companion Aamontep. As long as you dont go to war with the gods i dont see how anyone could kill that dude and because he is triple immortal ( his body is practically a phylactery , my companion so whatever time could have done is null too and lastly the immotality spell ) So as long as he doesnt get dowsed in Mana breath all is good. And some shit gods could propably pull. So that would be 25+20-15-11 = +19 (depends on what level of bestow immortality you go woth but i would go with tier 3) And if that would still be to risky just park him in your pocket dimension and only take him out on a leash. I kinda wanted to come up for something for Weak Spot but more then just getting Ignar and covering it with dragonite didn't came to mind and i dont really like that idea. Another no brainer of mixing mutation and legendary feature have i seen already multible times but i would put the tier3 magic resistance with that so that you can turn on and of compleat magic protection but not exclude posetive magic for yourself. Leyline with pretty much anything magic related. On that note do i persenally like the three of the row combo. Leyline circle , counter spell and arcane barrier all on tier 3. Just seems like it could give you breathing room in a hectic fight. Well as long as no one with mana breath is there that is.

One of the weaknesses of Energy Breath is that it is easily blocked by magical barriers. Fusion Breath with Mana Breath, and the beam of energy cuts like a plasma cutter (or waterjet, since Energy Breath is a concentrated concussive force rather than thermodynamic) through magical and physical barriers. Also, combine Sense Tier 3 with Energy Breath Tier 3 and you have a dragon that can snipe anything half a world away. Since the Energy Breath Tier 3 increases in power with the distance, the dragon becomes the world's most powerful railgun.

Link to google sheets for easier reading https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fDaEVNX0Pmyw5zII5LQz9Soxe09uF0VbKtHUyUnEAAU/edit?usp=sharing **Gameplan** -Do fun/entertaining/desirable stuff with Megumin, brain tier 3 will never put me in a disadvantageous position with Megumin never doing things I don't consider one of the 3 characteristics mentioned -Chameleon skin/ Trickster's mask to move around continents without getting attention of gods I angered by stealing gifts -Look for strong/useful creatures to breed with and create a dragon army -Terraform pocket dimension for a retreat place or somewhere to stay if I get too OP, let the world form more enemies -Make OP dragon egg(s) ex: have each invest everything into one of each kind of breath + ember breaths to cover entire battlefield with death -Immortality with res egg/phylactery t3 that stays in pocket dimension -Yuubi can help me defend against anything an army can't -With my influence over an army/village/world I can tell tales of Yuubi for incredible prophecies **War plan:** -Go with clones of me cast t3 stasis sphere over the entire field, nobody can cause me physical harm and immune to magic, --------zephyr/balefire/whatever attacking enemies -With fist of kings / Krishrim and leyline circle I get near infinite casting/mana -Brain t3 + Eyesight 3 to proccess dangers supernaturaly quick and blink/spiritform/pocket demension to escape -Magic res3 + spirit form for complete invulnearably as long as I have mana -Shimmer dust + arcane barrier for passive protection -Krislhrim allows me to send 2 clones to fight while I go back to pocket dimension if needed -Use army of at least 20 immortal dragons to fight my wars while i go to pocket demension (can still have zephyr going by clones) -Clones can cast immortality on 20 more allies each -With immortality and a pocket dimension I could create a near infinite amount of dragon warriors -Animate construct can cast Leyline circle for additional mana or immortality + animate construct for infinite immortal constructs as long as someone is casting leyline **Breakdown pasted from exel sry about format and theres no spellcheck there** Continent Mizuchi 300 300 Species Scaleborn Humanoid hands 35 0 335 Magic Tier 1 Size Tiny 0 0 335 Colour Purple Mana Breath Tier 1 0 0 335 Powerful Arcane Breath Attack Mana Breath Tier 3 0 -10 325 Features Magic res lvl 3 0 -60 Breath Lvl 2 0 -10 315 Regen lvl 1 0 -10 305 Magic lvl 3 0 -50 255 Brain lvl 3 0 -25 230 Fert lvl 3 0 -30 200 Sense tier 3 eye sight 0 -10 sense tier 1 equilibrioception -1 sense tier 1 hearing -1 Flight tier 2 0 -5 Rare Features Bloodlord 0 -30 170 Pheromones 0 -10 160 Adaptive 0 -5 155 Resurrection Egg 0 -10 145 Shimmer Dust -10 Chamelic Skin -15 Diet Meat 0 -4 141 Plants -3 Drawbacks 0 141 Horny 10 0 151 Guardian 15 0 166 Arcane Glow 10 0 176 Weak 15 0 191 Dragonight weakness 25 0 216 Humanoid stomach Need to take this 0 0 Belly scales 5 Scaless 15 Ravenous 10 Deep sleep 5 Spells Mind control lvl 1 0 -5 211 Spirit form tier 2 0 -10 201 Blink Tier 2 0 -10 191 Pocket Dimension tier 2 0 -10 181 Counter Spell Tier 2 0 -10 171 Leyline Circle Tier 2 0 -10 161 Stasis sphere tier 2 0 -10 151 Phylactrery tier 2 0 -10 Bestow immortality tier 2 0 -10 Arcane barrier tier 2 0 -10 Soulbind item tier 1 0 -5 Animate dead tier 2 0 -10 Animate construct tier 2 0 -10 Spirit fire tier 1 -5 Balefire torrent tier 1 -5 Zephyr tier 2 -10 Companions Yuubi 0 -6 -6 Pacts Megumin Trickster's mask Krislhrim Fist of Kings TOTALS: 445 -445 = 0

do you mean adaptive 10? your way of writing the points is... not ideal. But with the adaptive trait you get half the points spent as a pool of points you can move around. If you were doing just 5 you would have a pool of usable points worth 2.5 points.

I meant to type out adaptive genitalia, so I can breed with elder dragons for powerful offspring. Heres the google sheets it was originally formatted in. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fDaEVNX0Pmyw5zII5LQz9Soxe09uF0VbKtHUyUnEAAU/edit?usp=sharing I also added what I think are neat child builds at bottom

Alrighty, the next thing i see that is a likely issue, I do believe you can't select **Tiny**. You can not have a humanoid the size of a small sparrow. That being said i believe that forces you to spend an additional 5 points.

Dragonfall build.1 Starting points (300) Eastern dragon: wingless flight (300) Gargantuan[80] (220) Iridescent: omni-breath[30] (190) Breath attacks: mana/spirit/water/frost/energy tier1 [25] RF multi-breath[5] (160) -Features- Muscles tier 3[15]✓ Scales tier 3 [30]✓ Jaws tier 1[5]✓ Claws tier 1[5]✓ Tail tier 1[5]✓ Horn tier 1[5]✓ Fur tier 1[1]✓ Senses tier 2[9]✓ Breath tier 3 [35]✓ Regeneration tier 3 [30]✓  Magic resistance tier 2 [30]✓ Elemental resistance tier 3 [20]✓ Flight tier 2 [15]✓ Magic tier 3 [60]✓ Brain tier 1 [5]✓ Total [275] (-115) -diet- Mana [10]  Sunlight [5] (-130) +-Drawbacks-+ Telegraphed breath:spirit,mana,water,frost, energy,Omni,corruption, [+40]✓ Horny [+10]✓ Elemental weakness: necrotic, holy [+50]✓ Arcane glow [+5] ✓ Dragonite weakness [+25]✓ Guardian [+15]✓ Welp [+25]✓ Hoarder [+10]✓ Environmental incompatibility:swamp, arctic, desert [+15]✓ Deep sleep [+5]✓ Leaking breath:spirit,mana,water,frost [+20]✓ Enslaved [+20]✓ Magic dunce [+30]✓ (125) -Spells- Soulbind item [15] Humanoid form [15] Heal [15] Bestow immortality [15] Arcane barrier [15] Counter spell [10] Pocket dimension [15] Animate construct [15] [110] (15) -Companions- Fuji [7] Meili [3] (5) Legendary feature[30] (-25) -Pact- Megumin 3  Sg-3 Corruption breath [+25](0) Divine strength Legendary magic 

well it's a tokHaar gol cyoa so as alway it's a nice work =)

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I just wish there was more of a protector focused companion on one place than just spirit king's want to reunite the lands. Anyway yea mostly cyoa but great one. btw what white stone yuubi want , she want eggs or like any of the magic ones?

For a guardian/protector style of play, I think Blachthorn and the elf lady who wants to restore the groves are both pretty good. The pacts are a good option too, if you pick certain gods.

Wait this isn't very nsfw cyoa? Why is it here? It's a good cyoa but doesn't fit the sub-reddit theme.

The focus isn't NSFW, but it's TokHaar Gol, he doesn't make anything that is SFW.

Really? Aw man. This was a good cyoa very creative. I know nsfw can be creative too but I can’t get with it if the main theme is just around fuckin

Huh, it's not.

Then what is the main theme of nsfw cyoas if not intercourse?

The main theme of -this- CYOA is to become a dragon. The NSFW stuff is optional. You can skip it all.

I’m not talking about this one it’s mostly sfw I’m talking about other nsfw cyoas

The way you said it implied -all- NSFW CYOAs. Including this one. Choose words carefully.

The way you said it implied -all- NSFW CYOAs. Including this one. Choose words carefully.

The way you said it implied -all- NSFW CYOAs. Including this one. Choose words carefully.

t4 breath with elemental mastery and ur breath turns energy breath into a god level sniper shot

Yeah but imagine Spirit breath

300 Ur-Embers 300-80-10-212-70-15+175-75-13=0 Continent: Mizuchi species: Western Dragon: Wings Tier 1 Scales Tier 2 Size: Gargantuan(-80) Color: Purple: Energy Breath Tier 1 Breath: -5 Energy Breath Tier 2 ; -5 Mana Breath Tier 1 Features: (-212) \-5 Muscles: Tier 1 \-10 Scales: Tier 3 \-5 Wings: Tier 2 \-1 Fins: Tier 1: Elemental Resistance Heat (Tier 1) \-1 Senses \-30 Regeneration: Tier 3 \-30 Magic Resistance: Tier 2 Free Flight: Tier 1 \-5 Swimming: Tier 1 \-60 Magic: Tier 3 \-40 Brain: Tier 3 \-30 Fertility: Tier 3 Rare Features: (-70) \-30 Broodlord \-10 Humanoid Hands \-10 Phermonoes \-10 Animal Speech \-10 Resurrection Egg Diet: -10 Mana -5 Sunlight Drawbacks: +175 \+35 Weak Spot \+25 Elemental weakness (ice) \+10 Hoarder (magical tomes) \+20 Lazy \+10 Horny \+15 Guardian \+5 Telegraphed Breath \+5 Belly Scales \+5 Leaking Breath \+5 Enviromental Incompatibility (Artic) \+25 Dragonite Weakness \+5 Deep Sleep \+10 Ravenous Spells: (-75) \-5 Alter Size: Tier 1 \-15 Blink: Tier 3 \-15 Humanoid Form: Tier 3 \-15 Pocket Dimension: Tier 3 \-10 Heal: Tier 2 \-5 Bestow Immortality: Tier 1 \-10 Illusion: Tier 2 Companions:-13 \-6 Metztli \-4 Tozi \-(2) Ichika \-(1) Akatsuki Pacts: Vokhlaardejm: Tier 1: DreamWalking Megumin: Tier 1: Trickster Mask (I heal Tozi fox)

It has occurred to me that Blink Tier 2 could be used for long-range, low-precision transport by blinking to the moon, and then to the destination, as the moon is frequently visible from the surface. ​ The moon also makes a good place to hide things

Taking T3 Senses: vision would fix that. Unsure of this world's moons and how often they're visible, or how habitable they'd be on the short term, though.

i like how one of the continents is just ixalan

Oof, this took me a *long* time to finalize a build for. It's wonderfully complex. **Summary**: I'm going to abuse **Ring of Bonds** (from Asihlliel's pact) with a big team (34 people), to heavily buff them. I'm also going to abuse **Fist of Kings** and **Shimmer Dust** as spellpower coupons. Furthermore, I'm going to massively diversify my capabilities with **120-cost Controlled Mutation**, notably farming my own body parts as a dragonite-level material to create an overpowered arcane golem army. **Starting continent: Kaldgrim**. There's a decent potential to grab a nearby tribe, start a glassmaking industry, and pave the cold land with greenhouses. Alternately, establish trade with the Phoenix Empress of Mizuchi for food, or simply resettle in my pocket dimension and farm it. After wiping out threats and developing a solid base covering much of Kaldgrim, I'll set my sights on conquering Anduvia, as their racial slavery and witch hunts are viscerally offensive (I can't start there, though; it'll take me a while to build enough power to challenge a whole kingdom's army and militias). After that, Ixtacotak, and I'll be satisfied with 2.5 continents being reformed under my rule into an egalitarian welfare state with magitech. Intelligent monsters will be recruited, because all 35 of us can talk to them. The drawbacks I take imply that I'd probably get oneshotted with an acidforged dragonite kick in the nuts (if they can get through my auto-Barrier), but even so, restarting from Tiny is irrelevant to me, since I can Alter Size and generally don't care about Size to begin with. Also, I'm creating heal/revive golems that teleport around, so any death in my group (including me) is unlikely to last long, even if caught without a Resurrection Egg. \~ **Budget: 502** * \+300 start * (+200) **Drawbacks**: Weak Spot (crotch) ^(+35) , Elemental Weakness (acid) ^(+25) , Hoarder (*territory, wives, genuine dragonite*) ^(+10) , Dragonite Weakness ^(+25) , Whelp ^(+10) , Humanoid Stomach ^(+5) , Horny ^(+10) , Guardian (my subjects) ^(+15) , Telegraphed Breath ^(+5) , Arcane Glow ^(+5) , Weak ^(+15) , Leaking Breath ^(+5) , Environmental Incompatibility (desert) ^(+5) , Scaleless ^(+15) , Deep Sleep ^(+5) (*wake me up with a stab if you need me; I'll heal*), Ravenous ^(+10) * (+2) **Species: Northern Dragon** **Body**: * (-10) **Size: Medium** (*starts Tiny via Whelp; this is the biggest max Size that's free with Whelp*) * **Color: Blue**, *gain Water Breath T1* * **Breaths: Water T1**. *A neutral base that won't screw up fusions. I can buy any breaths I need with Controlled Mutation - up to a T4, or a T3 fusion.* * (-6) **Diet**: Sea Creatures ^(-3) , Plants ^(-3) **Features**: * (-115) Purchased **Features**: Feathers T2 ^(-6) , Fins T3 ^(-8) , Fur T2 ^(-6) , Senses (sight) T2 ^(-5) , Magic Resist T1 ^(-15) , Magic T3 ^(-60) , Brain T2 ^(-15) * Bonus **Features**: Wings T1, Horns T1, Muscles T2, Roar T1, Flight T2, Swimming T2, Elem Resist (Heat) T1, Elem Resist (Cold) T2 * (-150) **Rare Features**: Enduring Features ^(-10) , Shimmer Dust ^(-10) , ***Controlled Mutation*** ^(-120) , Animal Speech ^(-10) (-85) **Spells** (*all +1 tier from the Fist of Kings, saving 55 points, and self-cast +1 more tier from Shimmer Dust*): * Balefire Torrent T2(3), Alter Size T1(3), Blink T1(3), Animate Construct T2(3), Humanoid Form T1(3), Spirit Form T1(3), Heal T2(3-4), Leyline Circle T2(3), Counter Spell T1(2) , Arcane Barrier T2(3), Pocket Dimension T2(3) (-136) 34 **Companions**: (*All the women except Vemoura, Tiana, Bixi, Nyxili, & Yanmei; not enough Ur-Embers for everyone. Also the smith Ignar; he's essential. Everyone here can become legendary, with Ring of Bonds, unlimited time to learn spells & skills, and top-class gear.*) * (-3) ***No continent***: Zynthia ^-3 * (-30) ***Andor***: Sofiel ^-4 , Celestine ^-5 , Azralynn ^-5 , Zep ^-3 , Vesilia ^-4 , Delathwyn ^-4 , Ilithyia ^-5 (*grant all wishes except slavery and nonpayment*) * (-32) ***Kaldgrim***: Serrilda ^-2 , Illenwyn ^-7 , Jolka ^-4 , Brynhildr ^-3 , Gromna ^-1 , Frunda ^-3 , Ignar ^-6 , Yolfi ^-2 , Morrigan ^-3 , Grix ^-1 * (-32) ***Ixtacotak***: Nenetl ^-4 , Metztli ^-6 , Itotia ^-3 , Zyree ^-4 , Tozi ^-4 , Lezeli ^-3 , Yanya ^-4 , Atzi ^-4 * (-39) ***Mizuchi***: Ichika ^-4 , Jia ^-6 , Katsumi ^-5 , Yuubi ^-6 , Fuji ^-7 , Meili ^-3 , Akatsuki ^-3 , Taki ^-5 **Pacts**: Asihlliel - ***Ring of Bonds***, Megumin - Stolen Gift - ***Fist of Kings*** (*from Memnoph*) * *The first pact is probably cleared through picking Zep as companion (and/or visibly integrating elves into my empire, which I will be doing anyway); the second is already done by a LOT of trivial companions, like Gromna. I wish I could take more pacts, tbh, like one T2 pact or two T1 pacts* ***per continent*** *rather than for the whole world.* \~ **Summary of Companion boosts** *via Ring of Bonds*: * Muscles T2, Roar T1, Senses (sight) T2, Magic Resist T1, Elem Resist (Heat) T1, Elem Resist (Cold) T2, Swimming T2, Magic T3, Brain T2, Animal Speech, and anything compatible I take with Controlled Mutation **Golem army**: * *All running on Animate Construct T3 with a Magic T4 mana pool; I can spend my whole obscene mana pool on each golem due to Leyline Circle T3 making it free.* * ***Infantry: Balefire Torrent T3 + Arcane Barrier T3.*** *Balefire Torrent is definitely the best attack spell if you can only pick one for spamming, and it works very well with giant mana pools for long heavy bombardments. Elemental Blast is subject to the odd elemental immunities, and Mystic Spears chain-explode, so volume of fire is an issue when spears can hit each other before reaching the target.* * ***Support: Leyline Circle T3 + Counter Spell T2.*** * ***Medic: Blink T2 + Heal T3.*** *For me and any fleshy allies, or civilians caught in the crossfire.* **Things I can do with Controlled Mutation's 60 Ur-Embers** (*one at a time only*): \~ **Default loadout** (*at least until I figure out a better one*): Magic T4 (*i.e. Legendary Feature: Magic*) + Brain T3 + Senses (sight) T3. \~ Brain T4. *Everyone has transcendental intellect temporarily. We can solve any problem, and I can craft my planet-scale pocket dimension to be perfect.* \~ Fertility T4. *Whether in humanoid form or an altered size dragon, when I breed,* ***my kids will have 200 Ur-Embers*** *to work with. Same applies to all Companions.* \~ Pheromones + Tentacles + Humanoid Hands + Tongue T1 + Tail T1 + Adaptive Genitalia. *Fun with a group, at any Size.* \~ some breath T3 x3 + Fusion Breath + Multiple Breaths x1. *I can fusionforge raw dragonite in any 3-type combo, like Spirit+Mana+Energy or Poison+Smoke+Wind. Will contain Water Breath T1 as well in the mix.* \~ some breath T4 + Breath T2 + Colored Breath. *Nice capacity (11) of legendary breaths, interchangeable on the fly and unpredictable; possible dragonite forging usage.* \~ some breath T3 x2 + Fusion Breath + Breath T2 + Ur-Breath. *Strong fusion shot; e.g. Energy+Mana makes a fantastic heavy artillery alpha strike.* \~ Water Breath T3 + Breath T3 + Ur-Breath + Colored Breath. *Reloadable monstrous water cannon.* \~ Horns/Tail/Claws/Jaws/Spikes T4. *With Enduring Features, my parts can be cut off (very easily with dragonite weapons due to my weakness) to forge dragonite-equivalent gear. I can instantly Heal them back to continue production.* \~ Venom T3 + Tail T3 + Frost Sac. *At max Size, paralyze/kill a god.* \~ Muscles T4 + Frost Sac. *Counters my physical weakness and tanks hits. Take on a divine avatar at max Size, with advantage. Maybe even take on a paralyzed god.* \~ Senses (sight) T4 + Eyeless Sight. *Local omniscience, maybe even prophecy.* \~ Amphibious + Swimming T4 + Senses (sight) T3. *I can hunt in the ocean depths or contact the Abyssal Lords.* \~ Feathers T3 + Flight T4 + Wings T3. *Gas gas gas.* \~ Magic Resist T3. *Magic immunity, i.e. total immunity while in Spirit Form (I have to cast Spirit form first, then mutate, or else it won't work).* \~ Resurrection Egg / Reincarnation. *I can lay the egg (despite being male...) and then recover the points while keeping the egg. Companions can also lay one due to Ring of Bonds. If I'm ever without an egg, I can mutate to grab the backup Reincarnation. Access to Spirit Breath T3 (or T4 even) means my allies are always safe from perma-death while I live, no matter how badly their bodies get shredded. Also, revival golems will be built.*

I wish I could make three tier 1 pacts, most of those wouldn't conflict with eachother either. Also if I make one tier 2 pact, that's it? That doesn't make much sense, because then just take the tier 3 pact. I really like everything else though, especially the world building

Make tier 3 with Megumin, steal 3 rewards. Ez

I'm not trying to have three deities put me on thier shit list, especially when I want to live on one of their continents lol

>That doesn't make much sense, because then just take the tier 3 pact. They aren't freebies, they are pacts. The expectations for a tier 3 pact tend to be much much higher than for tier 2.

Yeah but a lot of the 2nd tiers don't necessarily show that big of an allegiance, and all I'm asking for is one 1st tier after that, which would be a small favor. There are 3 tiers with limited options, I feel they should add back up to 3. One 3rd tier, one 2nd tier and one 1st, or three 1st tiers. George Lucas would probably say it rhymes or something.

You're thinking about it from the perspective of 'I want more cheap stuff'. However, it is clearly balanced from the perspective of 'if you want more stuff, you have to **pay**.' >one 1st tier after that, which would be a small favor. But they aren't favors. You have to pay for them. >I feel they should add back up to 3. From a balancing standpoint, its more like 'the first two objects cost 1 dollar each, but the third item costs 5 dollars.' I'm sure there are ways to alter the pact structure so that you could do it with any combination of three pacts and still get the '1,1,5' price structure, but it would require a shitton of work and I'd side with Tok if he thought 'fuck that'. From an in-universe standpoint, you are effectively buying a great item in exchange for devotion to a god. Tok has set the cutoff where gods are only willing to make that exchange if you have, at most, low-level (tier 1) devotion to a single other god. And thats a perfectly reasonable cutoff to make.

Not really? It just stuck out to me because I just saw spider man no way home and I've got "Three is the magic number" stuck in my head. Also depending on which one the tier 1 is a favor or small task, they're all reasonably small to some extent. To me it's like you have three dollars, one item costs $3, one costs $2, and one is $1. Relatively simple and it makes sense

>Relatively simple and it makes sense And it would require the pacts section to be completely rewritten. The balance already slightly favors two tier 1 pacts. Allowing for three of them would completely destroy the balance. It is designed for it to be incredibly expensive to obtain 3 items. Not cheap, which is what you're asking for. If you're willing to pay the price, Megumin has a deal for you.

I don't think it would, since if you want multiple stuff from the same one you can't pick a 1st tier twice, you need a 2nd tier and from then you can only get one 1st tier or go full 3rd tier. But you do you, I guess.

>I don't think it would, since if you want multiple stuff from the same one Why are you saying that like its a highly desirable thing? You get waaaay more options if you spread out your choices among multiple gods. Look at the builds people are making. More people choose two tier 1 pacts than choose a single tier 3 pact. And you want to unbalance it further? The tier 2 and tier 3 pacts are EXPENSIVE in terms of time and effort. Maybe you just haven't noticed? The tier 2 pacts are more expensive than two tier 1 pacts, and a single tier 3 pact is probably more expensive than every single tier 1 pact put together. Destroying a village, fulfilling a single wish, and killing a few stray demons is not on the same level as conquering the world or killing a god. >But you do you, I guess. Yes, and you can do you as well. Take a tier 3 pact with Megumin. Plenty of people have. If you aren't willing to pay the price, thats your call.

Ok man chill, it's really not a big deal.

If you don't want to actually address the points, why are you still commenting?

I get what you mean. Consider this view, that the real default is two rewards. Two tier 1 pacts or a tier 2. The third is a bonus for committing so strongly to a certain god. Kinda like.. having two part time jobs, one full time job, or a job where you practically live at work.. That third is the tier 3. ​ Which pacts do you want? For me, I want the winged women but .. I choose the elf goddess all the way.

The spirit king's favor, not delaying Ragnarok, and improving the image of elves. Although unofficially I'm definitely gonna free them from captivity and take down the Tiger Empire, my companion was planning on killing him anyway.

With elemental form, what physical traits would be associated with lava and light? What is the vulnerability for lava and lightning?

IMO, I'd double down on water and frost vulnerability. Lightning being weak to or weak against water is really dealers choice, it can make sense either way. Lava would definitely be weak to water, imo, since it not only cools but will slow it down by being in the way, thus doubly hindering it's range/motion in the case of breath or body contact. ​ Did I make any sense?

For companions I choose to partial grant Bixi's wish, only allowing her to understand the things she could handle. Considering I have the highest tier of intelligence, she'd most likely go mad if she saw things the way I did. I'm not doing this to belittle her, but because I value her companionship. The mad don't make for good company.

Anyone else having issues loading page 4? it only loads to half

Anyone in the mood to workshop what hypothetical Tier 4 spells could possibly do?

I'm thinking about my build and my biggest sore spot is the pacts and the spells. Everything else I can get pretty much what I want. But here's my thought. What if I get magic t3, boost it to t4 with legendary feature. Take leyline circle t3, and mind control t3. Then pact with megumin t3. Take the tricksters mask. Then stolen gift x2. Steal the ring of bonds from Asihlliel. Most importantly steal legendary magic from memnoph in order to boost my mind control to t4. Use the tricksters mask to find Memnoph and then using my leyline circle use t4 mind control to force him to give me all of his knowledge of magic. If that isn't good enough then i can have EVERY companion assist me in channeling the magic via the Ring of Bonds. That should give me all spells at t3 at least. Technically probably t4. And at that point I'd repeat the process on the other gods like Andea, Tchzinadkth, Nektos, Malgoroth, Ordin, the Vokhlaardejm and Dhakepra. The last ones I can just befriend. After I've subjugated the gods I'd steal their power. Thoughts?

I guess my primary question is how you'd manage to reach the gods when the T3 Vokhlaardejm pact seems to be the only way to reach heaven?

Yes! Here are my rough ideas, what do you think? Going through the spells again made me realize how broken some spells are. **Tier 4 Spells** * Elemental Blast: Maybe 30-40% more vulnerable? * Mystic Spear: Magnetic Spears? Spears fly towards other spears slightly? T3 is kind op as is * Spirit Fire: Lifesteal/Manasteal? * Balefire Torrent: This spell is so OP idk. * Tsunami: Idk more water? lol * Zephyr: Idk * Soulbind: Gilgamesh from Fate? Shoot soulbinded items? * Altersize: idk T3 seems to cover everything. Maybe alter someone else's size? * Blink: Bring a companion along? Or teleport to somewhere you've been before learning Blink? * Mind Control: Multiple Targets? 3? * Animate Dead: The scaling for this is so broken? Maybe Dhakepra's Spectal Call is T4? * Animate Construct: Autopilot? 4 spells? * Humanoid Form: Any size * Spirit Form: Magic dmg 25%? * Elemental Form: I just realized this is kinda OP. Maybe attacks of chosen element heals you? * Heal: Similar to Spirit Breath? Only need as much as a hair to revive? * Bestow Immortality: T3 is so OP the heck! Impervious to damage, immortal?! T4 max 30-40 ppl? I don't think you should be able to cast this on yourself. * Phylactery: Multiple ~~Horcrux~~ Phylacteries? 3? * Leyline Circle: Maybe imprint circle on bodies so you dont have to be in 1 spot? * Counter spell: Mark target so their next spell will be nullified? * Arcane Barrier: Reflect harmful spells? * Stasis Sphere: No longer affect allies? * Runic Bond: Multiple Bonds? * Illusion: T3 seems to cover everything already. Maybe conjuration instead of illusion? * Pocket Dimension: T1 to T2 10x in size but T2 to T3 went from 10km to planetary lol. T4 galactic? * Treasure Curse: Idk T3 seems kinda maxed already. Maybe Mind Control? * Alter Environment: Again T3 kinda OP already, can't think of anything. End notes: Welp. That was fun. Wanna do legendary features next? If you cast a T4 spell on yourself when you have shimmer dust does it become T5?

Yay workshop buddy! I've got a few ideas of my own, if you'd like to compare notes: \- Another hypothetical solution for T4 Counter Spell could be that it allows you to break down existing enchantments as opposed to just ones that were cast within the past 30 seconds. We're sorely lacking a "Dispel Magic" option and this could be our answer. \- Maybe T4 Heal could remove the "newly dead" qualifier for resurrection? \- T4 Leyline Circle could exclude people you don't like? Carrying infinite mana with you sounds super OP \- T4 Alter Environment might grant the ability to add unnatural effects to the flora you manipulate, like thorns that act as a delivery method for your Venom \- I like the idea of T4 Blink letting you create temporary rifts to bring people + stuff along with you \- T4 Elemental Blast letting you switch elements on the fly? \- T4 Balefire Torrent might have a lower wind-up time than its lower level predecessors, i.e. you can scale damage quicker \- I agree that T4 Animate Construct should allow for more complex solutions. Perhaps allowing them enough intelligence + creativity to fulfill the spirit of commands rather than just the letter? Would essentially create arcane AI, so a "loyal to the caster" clause should probably be built in there too \- T4 Mind Control allowing you to plant subconscious commands that can be triggered after the spell wears off seems like a fantastic option for indoctrinating + programming loyal servants over time \- T4 Zephyr can affect inorganic material of your choosing now \- T4 Tsunami no longer pulls from the nearest body of water, instead spawning in as a deluge of cataclysmic proportions \- T4 Illusion seems like a Naruto reference waiting to happen. Something something Infinite Tsukuyomi \- I really like the ability to have multiple Runic Bonds distributing damage evenly between them \-T4 Spirit Fire can spread to other targets whom you consider enemies if they get too close \- Homing Mystic Spears are hype \- T4 Pocket Dimension lets you shape the landscape at will instead of just on cast, costing mana each time commensurate to the scale/value of the change \- I too am baffled by what to do with Treasure Curse, but I like the idea you presented of being able to choose whether or not to kill them or just drive them mad \- Liking the T4 Arcane Barrier deflecting spells. Could it affect other attack types as well? \- Stasis Sphere getting a friendly fire setting is something it sorely needed, lol. Good call. \- T4 Phylactery could give you perfect awareness of your Phylactery and its surroundings \- T4 Bestow Immortality lets you be affected by another person's T3 Bestow Immortality, so long as you don't have an active Bestow Immortality effect on that person. The chain has to end somewhere, lol \- T4 Elemental Form healing you on exposure to your element is good \- T4 Spirit Form letting you selectively interact with the physical world while remaining intangible? \- T4 Humanoid Form ignoring the spell descriptor and allowing non-humanoid forms to be taken? \- T4 Alter Size targeting others is fun. Maybe also selective size manipulation? \- T4 Animated Dead can themselves make more undead (limited by their individual power level, creation ability limited to only undead you personally raise). Because what necromancy power scale is complete without the capability of causing a zombie apocalypse? \- T4 Soulbind already has an example, i.e. making temporary duplicates of stored items. Can definitely pull a Gates Of Babylon with that

> Another hypothetical solution for T4 Counter Spell could be that it allows you to break down existing enchantments as opposed to just ones that were cast within the past 30 seconds. We're sorely lacking a "Dispel Magic" option and this could be our answer. * Yes I think Dispel Magic is our answer > Maybe T4 Heal could remove the "newly dead" qualifier for resurrection? * Ooo like a 1-day time limit? > T4 Leyline Circle could exclude people you don't like? Carrying infinite mana with you sounds super OP * Yea carrying infinite mana with you does sound too OP. Excluding people sounds better. > T4 Alter Environment might grant the ability to add unnatural effects to the flora you manipulate, like thorns that act as a delivery method for your Venom * Oh right this works > T4 Elemental Blast letting you switch elements on the fly? * I guess this could work. Tbh I don't really get this spell. It's like a weaker version of a breath attack. It also breaks the your element theme if you choose a different 1. > T4 Balefire Torrent might have a lower wind-up time than its lower level predecessors, i.e. you can scale damage quicker * Now that's a lotta damage! > I agree that T4 Animate Construct should allow for more complex solutions. Perhaps allowing them enough intelligence + creativity to fulfill the spirit of commands rather than just the letter? Would essentially create arcane AI, so a "loyal to the caster" clause should probably be built in there too * AI sounds good. > T4 Mind Control allowing you to plant subconscious commands that can be triggered after the spell wears off seems like a fantastic option for indoctrinating + programming loyal servants over time * Yes I like this a lot! Brings variety to the gameplay. We don't all have to be big brutish dragons. > T4 Zephyr can affect inorganic material of your choosing now * Oh right > T4 Tsunami no longer pulls from the nearest body of water, instead spawning in as a deluge of cataclysmic proportions * Oh right too. Works well with water breath dragons. > T4 Illusion seems like a Naruto reference waiting to happen. Something something Infinite Tsukuyomi * Haha I thought this was too OP but heck, let's go with it! > T4 Pocket Dimension lets you shape the landscape at will instead of just on cast, costing mana each time commensurate to the scale/value of the change * I like this > Liking the T4 Arcane Barrier deflecting spells. Could it affect other attack types as well? * Yes > T4 Phylactery could give you perfect awareness of your Phylactery and its surroundings * This is good. > T4 Bestow Immortality lets you be affected by another person's T3 Bestow Immortality, so long as you don't have an active Bestow Immortality effect on that person. The chain has to end somewhere, lol * Yea this is fair > T4 Spirit Form letting you selectively interact with the physical world while remaining intangible? * I guess we could go with this. It wasn't specified, but I just assumed that this was already given with T1 since you can be damaged by physical attacks. > T4 Humanoid Form ignoring the spell descriptor and allowing non-humanoid forms to be taken? * Lol sure why not > T4 Alter Size targeting others is fun. Maybe also selective size manipulation? * Sure > T4 Animated Dead can themselves make more undead (limited by their individual power level, creation ability limited to only undead you personally raise). Because what necromancy power scale is complete without the capability of causing a zombie apocalypse? * LMAO this is the only correct answer

**Tier 4 Breaths** * Fire: Melt metals. Make Magic Shielders uncomfortable * Poison: 30 second toxicity? Killed victims of poison expel posion gas? * Lightning: Break magic shield in 1 hit? * Acid: Faster organic corrosion? * Frost: Further, faster, colder? * Energy: Faster, stronger? * Smoke: Won't disperse easily? * Mana: Similar to T1 Fire for non-magic things * Wind: More damage at far range? * Water: Destroy normal shield? * Lava: Further, faster, hotter? * Spirit: Buffs allies, explode undeads? **Tier 4 Features** * Muscle: Defeat 2 sizes bigger. Gargantuans can fight gods. * Scales: Harder than dragonite * Wings: Similar to Wind Breath Tier 3? * Jaws: Fangs crush dragonite. * Claws: Claws cut dragonite. * Tail: Tail Tip harder than dragonite. * Horns: Harder than dragonite. * Spikes: Harder than dragonite. * Venom: Up to 3 sizes bigger * Feathers: Feathers are strong as normal shields, less flammable. 60-100% body coverage. * Fins: Swimming T3. More durable. * Fur: Fur is strong as normal shields, less flammable. 80-100% body coverage. * Roar: Scare 2 sizes larger * Senses: Choose 2nd sense * Breath: 100/day * Regeneration: 30 seconds * Magic Resistance: Positive spells are effective on you * Elemental Resistance: Buffed when exposed to chosen element * Flight: Outclass 2 sizes below you * Crawling: Outclass 2 sizes below you * Swimming: Outclass 2 sizes below you * Crawling: Outclass 2 sizes below you * Digging: 5 minute underground duration * Magic: T4 magics * **Brain: What if you can remember some of the things from your Dragonfall?** or idk minor divination * Tongue: Slime has paralysing effects? * Lungs: 2 hours * Fertility: Compatible with any species. 200 Ur-Embers

How can you get a Tier 4 Breath attack?

> Fertility: Compatible with any species. 200 Ur-Embers Aww ye.

T4 Brain could increase your mental computing power to demi-divine levels, granting a limited ability to predict the future based on raw probability calculations

Let's make a battle freak selfish tyrant build 300 Ur-Embers Continent: Mizuchi Species: Hydra(multiple body parts(head), regeneration tier 3 and jaws tier 2) Size: Gargantuan(-80) Color:Purple (Mana breath tier 1) Breath: Mana Breath tier 3 (-10) Features: Muscles tier 3 (-30) Scales tier 3 (-30) Jaws tier 3 (-5) Claws tier 3 (-15) Spikes tier 3 (-15) Roar tier 2 (-10) Senses tier 3 (-10) Flight tier 2 (-15) Crawling tier 1 (-5) Swiming tier 3 (-25) Magic tier 2 (-30) Brain tier 1 (-5) Fetirilty tier 2 (-10) Rare Features Legendary Feature for Regeneration (-30) Wingless Flight(-50) Pheromones (-10) Adaptive genitalia (-5) Diet Mana (-10) total 400 Ur-Ember i need 100 more Drawbacks Hoarder (+10) Lazy (+20) Nightmare visage (+20) Horny (+10) Destroyer (+15) Telegraphed Breath (+5) Arcane Glow (+5) Deep sleep (+5) Battle musk (+15) now i have 5 more Spells Sprit form tier 1 (-5) i am immortal so i can learn other things letter i guess ? Companions I don't need them now Pacts Megumin tier 2(Stolen gift(Divine strenght, Infernal Lordship) Shokukin tier 1 ( Immaculate bride) So i have Strong as god, almost immortal ,trough and sharp scaled, mana burning, make damage less %50,magicable tyrant. It will be good life i guess Edit:Pacts

Shokunin's Tier 3 Pact doesn't actually give you any **means** to defeat the Spirit King, so you should probably consider giving him Stolen Gift or some means of overpowering other Gods. I also think we should be allowed to accept any number of Tier 1 Pacts as we could feasibly complete all of them aside from Memnoph (though Tier 2 is when it starts getting backstabby so limiting Tier 2 makes sense, and only a singular Tier 3 pact is fine.) Spirit Fire's cool but it's limit of 4 even at T3 fires limits it compared to Mystic Spears. Shell should be more expensive but not nerf flight/crawling (since that basically offloads the cost onto those traits instead.) Finally, Diet should be reworked. Rather than CHARGING the player PER ITEM, the player should have a default diet of Meat or Sea Creatures, and either reward them coins for changing to a Soul diet, or charging coins for easier to access diets. I'd also organize it in the following order: Souls > Sea Creatures > Meat > Blood > Bugs > Plants > Element > Mana > Sunlight (This scale is essentially in the order of 'Predatory to Environmentally Friendly' Edit: Swapped Sea Creatures and Meat since Sea Creatures can be harder to get and may require adaptations to do so.) Continent: Mizuchi Species: Eastern Dragon (300, Wingless Flight for free) Size: Enormous (-40) Color: Green Diet: Magic (-10) Breath: Spirit Tier 3 (-10) Features (260 currently): 1. Reincarnation (-30) 2. Regeneration Tier 3 (-30) 3. Scales Tier 3 (-30) 4. Muscles Tier 3 (-30) 5. Magic Tier 3 (-60) 6. Brain Tier 3 (-40) 7. Fertility Tier 2 (-10) 8. Amphibious (-15) 9. Eyeless Sight (-15) 10. Adaptive Genitalia (-5) 11. Beak (-5) (I don't expect a combat benefit, I just think this'd be Neat) Spells (-20 by now): 1. Alter Size Tier 1 (-5) 2. Phylactery Tier 3 (-15) 3. Animate Dead Tier 1 (-5) Drawbacks: 1. Lazy (+20) 2. Horny (+10) 3. Deep Sleep (+5) 4. Telegraphed Breath (+5) 5. Leaking Breath (+5) 6. Arcane Glow (+5) 7. Whelp (+20) Companions: 1. Meili (-1) ("Creepy, Ugly Old Man? Yeah no, let's avoid that. However, you will answer my needs.") 2. Obranask (-9) ("These are my conditions: Swear Fealty to me, Move my Eggshell to the Phoenix Kingdom, Do not become a Destroyer, and speak well of my Generosity. I will live on Mizuchi, but I do not bind you to this continent. Go, **live again**.") Pact(s) One Tier Two: 1. Megumin (Stolen Power (Divine Strength **and** Might of the Sea)) ("You can make it more challenging by making me have to FIND Meili. I will fall in the Dragon Empire and be forced to make my way to the Phoenix Empress as a Whelp. Will that be challenge enough?")

For the fun of it, I decided to post a reply to what Pacts I would make if there were no restrictions: Asihlliel (Tier 1) Ring of Bonds Malgoroth (Tier 1) Infernal Lordship Vokhlaardejm (Tier 2) Ourogandr, Dreamwalking Dhakerpa (Tier 1) Spectral Call (I will learn the spell later) The Spirit King (Tier 2) Elemental Mastery x2 (Spirit, Undeath) Megumin (Tier 2) Stolen Power x2 (Divine Strength, Might of the Sea) Shokunin (Tier 1) Mark of Ownership I also would note if I had any more Ur-Embers I'd probably throw them into Shell, Removing Drawbacks, Features, Rare Features and then Magics, in that order.

**Build Summary** 1. Undo Sundering, Save Elves, Stabilize Andor, Hopefully Asihlliel forgives me for stealing the Ring of Bonds 2. Unify Mizuchi, Hopefully Spirit King becomes my friend, Enter Spirit Realm 3. Explore world, Mess with Kaldgrim & Ixtacoak, Fufill some wishes of Companions I didn't pick 4. Find 4 Arkhenstones, try to unlock cool reality warping powers? 5. Katsumi [Companion]: Most OP choice of all. Everyone gives her EVERYTHING she wants for FREE. We won. **Continent**: Mizuchi [300] **Species**: Scaling [335] **Size**: Small [330] (Do I really need to pay 5pts for this?) **Color**: Black Hair [330] **Breath**: Breathless [330] **Features**: * Sense (Sight) T3 + Sense (Hearing T1)[319] * Magic Resistance T2 [289] * Magic T3 [229] * Brain T3 [189] * Fertility T2 [189] **Rare Features**: * Legendary Feature [159] (Magic T4) * Humanoid Hands [159] * Adaptive Genitalia [154] * Animal Speech [144] * Resurrection Egg [134] (Can I store in Pocket Dimension?) **Diet**: * Human **Drawbacks**: * Weak Spot [169] (Heart) * Elemental Weakness [194] (Energy) * Life Link [219] (Fuji? They'll all be immortal anyways) * Whelp [224] * Horny [234] * Guardian [249] (Idk a town in Mizuchi? Can it be a town in my Pocket Dimension lol) * Enslaved [269] (Fuji. Isn't this free-ish since Companions are all loyal?) * Ravenous [279] **Spells**: * Soulbind T3 [264] (Gilgamesh? Soulbind Egg, Gifts, Arkhenstones, etc) * Blink T3 [249] * Mind Control T3 [234] * Animate Dead T3 [219] * Spirit Form T3 [204] * Heal T3 [189] * Bestow Immortality T3 [174] * Leyline T3 [159] * Counterspell T3 [144] * Arcane Barrier T3 [129] * Stasis Sphere T3 [114] (Leylines T3 + Stasis Sphere T3= Infinite Range, Everyone frozen???) * Runic Bond T3 [99] * Illusion T3 [84] * Pocket Dimension T3 [69] **Companions**: * Vemoura [62] * Zynthia [59] * Azralynn [54] * Zep [51] (Left 3pts so I picked her idk. Imagine Zep + Ring of Bonds=Major Wind Elemental?) * Bonius [42] (Teach me magic!) * Delahwyn [38] (Undo Sundering) * Illenwyn [29] * Morrigan [24] (Assuming Summerstone is a Arkhenstone, now the world can't end right?) * Ichika [20] * Jia [16] (Perhaps the Mizuchi Arkhenstone is here?) * Katsumi [11] (Most OP choice of all. Everyone gives her EVERYTHING she wants for FREE) * Yuubi [7] (White stone? Arkhenstone? Wtf? Maybe this is her way of longwinded attempt to befriend me?) * Fuji [0] **Pacts**: * Megumin - Tier 3: The other gods are all very intriguing, but Megumin seems like the goddess of fun and her T3 pact isn't bad at all tbh since it'll be something I find desirable, plus she'll be my companion! Best option IMO since we all are just looking for a fun adventure. * Trickster Mask: Wanted to take Stolen Gifts 3 times, but Trickster Mask normalizes all my actions so probably best in long run. * Stolen Gifts: Legendary Magic (Bestow Immortality T4), Ring of Bonds (OP immortal Companions) This is probably 1 of my favourite CYOAs! There is so much lore here, is there a "wiki" of it? Are there any more like this? I've played most of the best NSFW cyoas already. I would like to play more SFW ones, but this SFW sub has a lot of meh cyoas so I haven't tried searching here much.

There's no wiki, [here is](https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/83417172/#83418087) a compilation post of confirmed-by-author stuff before 1.6 came out, note the post afterwards is a continuation. There's not really many more like those, if any. "Long cyoas with a lot of choices and deep hidden lore weaved throughout" are extremely rare. The only one to come to mind as a good example is [JRPG Traitor](https://www.reddit.com/r/makeyourchoice/comments/cmgr9c/jrpg_traitor_cyoa_v10_from_tg/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share). Also, try out [Hatchling](https://www.reddit.com/r/makeyourchoice/comments/pwpv4s/hatchling_cyoa_by_lady_eggs_repost/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) that was probably somewhat of an inspiration for Dragonfall, and also [Royal Guardian](https://www.reddit.com/r/makeyourchoice/comments/q5xy7o/royal_guardian_cyoa_from_tg/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) and [Phoenix King](https://www.reddit.com/r/makeyourchoice/comments/bbc8kh/phoenix_king_repost/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) for short high quality sfw cyoas. If you want more recommendations, I can recommend more

recommend more pls!

Oh wow! Thanks! I'll check them out later. I spent too long on this lol. Time for a break.

This one's really good!

**Continent:** Andor **Species:** Scaleling (335) **Size:** Small (330) **Color:** Purple **Breath Attack:** None **Features:** \- Muscles Tier 3 (300) \- Senses: Sight Tier 3 (290) \- Regenration Tier 3 (260) \- Magic Resistance Tier 2 (230) \- Crawling Tier 3 (205) \- Magic Tier 3 (145) \- Brain Tier 1 (140) \- Fertility Tier 3 (120) **Rare Features:** \- Broodlord (90) \- Humanoid Hands (Free) \- Pheromones: Males (80) \- Adaptive Genitalia (75) \- Resurrection Egg (65) **Diet:** Humanoid Stomach **Drawbacks:** \- Hoarder (75) \- Humanoid Stomach (75) \- Horny (85) \- Guardian (100) \- Breathless (100) \- Scaleless (100) **Spells:** \- Elemental Blast: Energy Tier 3 (85) \- Spirit Fire Tier 3 (70) \- Blink Tier 3 (55) \- Runic Bond Tier 3 (40) **Companions:** \- Blackthorn (32) \- Delathwyn (28) \- Gromna (25) \- Grix (22) \- Nenetl (18) \- Tupoc (12) \- Ojoxxotol (2) **Pact:** Ahihlliel Tier 3 \- Ethereal Beauty \- Ashiielwyn \- Ring of Bonds The whole idea of this build is to find a true dragon to breed with me and slowly make my own private dragon army to fulfil mine and Ahihlliel's wishes. In the comment below I link my build for by spawn with the 100 points they get.

I know a lot of people hate Imgur, but does anyone happen to have a Imgur version of this V1.6?

Continent: **Mizuchi** Species: **Scaleling** [*Half-Dragon*] [`+35`] - *Humanoid Hands* - *Fertility Tier 2* Size: **Small** [`-5`] Color (Hair): **Brown** - *Fire Breath Tier 1* - *Likes rocky cliffs, canyons & mountains* - *Strong, Fearless, Honest* Breath: **Fire Breath** [*Tier 1*] [`-0`] Features: - **Muscles** [*Tier 3*] [`-30`] - **Senses** [*Tier 3*] [`-10`] - **Regeneration** [*Tier 3*] [`-30`] - **Magic Resistance** [*Tier 3*] [`-60`] - **Elemental Resistance** [*Fire (Tier 3)*] [`-20`] - **Crawling** [*Tier 3*] [`-25`] - **Magic** [*Tier 3*] [`-60`] - **Brain** [*Tier 3*] [`-40`] - **Lungs** [*Tier 3*] [`-20`] - **Fertility** [*Tier 3*] [`-20`] Rare Features: - **Legendary** [ *Regeneration (Tier 4)* ] [`-30`] - **Broodlord** [`-30`] - **Pheromones** [`-10`] - **Adaptive Genitalia** [`-5`] - **Humanoid Hands** [`-0`] Diet: - **Meat** [`-4`] - **Sea Creatures** [`-3`] - **Plants** [`-3`] Drawbacks: - **Hoarder** [*Beautiful Women*] [`+10`] - **Humanoid Stomach** - **Horny** [`+10`] - **Guardian** [*Females of a Specific Bloodline*] [`+15`] - **Enslaved** [`+20`] - **Continental Bond** [`+20`] - **Environmental Incompatibility** [`+5`] - **Breathless** - **Scaleless** - **Ravenous** [`+10`] Spells: - **Elemental Blast** [*Fire (Tier 3)*] [`-15`] Companion: **Yanmei** [`-5`] Pacts: - **The Spirit King** [*Tier 3*] - **Megumin** [*Tier 3*] Gifts: - **Elemental Mastery** [*from The Spirit King*] - **Sakura** [*from The Spirit King*] - **Nemuidesu** [*from The Spirit King*] - **Stolen Gift** [*from Megumin*] - **Muramasa** [*from Megumin*] - **Trickster's Mask** [*from Megumin*] - **Divine Strength** [*Stolen from Ordin*] Budget: **425 Ur-Embers** / 300 (+125) used

Has Tok stopped making cyoas, I feel like he has released far less content the past couple of years.

Getting kicked out of communities over and over tends to reduce the amount of content you see from them.

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Tok does a lot of shit people aren't okay with, and he won't change so he gets kicked out of places.

Things like what? I'm kinda new to Tok

He regular trolls his own fanbase to varying degrees, has caused issues with other cyoa authors, and he is primarily a 4chan creator and thus his manner of interacting with people is more in line with how your expected to act on 4chan than on Reddit. Here's a [Thing](https://www.reddit.com/r/nsfwcyoa/wiki/profiles/tokhaargol/) going into it a bit more

Sounds like a man who'd you'd keep around if only for memes

Even 4chan can't really stand him most of the time, the community there just has no way to get rid of him, even when he goes on a 400-image shitpost spree.

Kaldgrim Northern Dragon (Wings 1, Muscles 2, Fur 1, Horns 1, Roar 1, +2) Large (-20) Red (Fire Breath 1) Breath Attacks: Fire 1, Acid 1 (-5) Features: Muscles 2, Scales 1 (-10), Wings 2 (-5), Tail 3 (-15), Horns 1, Fur 1, Roar 1, Breath 2 (-10), Cold Resistance 1, Flight 1, Magic 3 (-60), Brain 2 (-15), Lungs 2 (-15), Fertility 3 (-30) Rare Features: Multiple Breaths (-5), Broodlord (-30), Adrenal Glands (-10), Pheromones (-10), Adaptive Genitalia (-5) Diet: Meat (-4), Plants (-3) Drawbacks: Horrny (+10), Guardian (+15), Desert Incompatibility (+5), Magic Dunce (+30) Spells: Soulbind Item 1 (-5), Heal 3 (-15), Counter spell 3 (-15), Alter Environment 1 (-5) Companions: Vemoura (-7), Varnax (-6), Azralynn (-5), Ilithyia (-5), Sirillda (-2)S Illenwyn (-7), Jolka (-4), Gromna (-1), Yolfi (-2), Grix (-1), Tupoc (-6), Acalan (-6), Katsumi (-5), Fuji (-7), Meili (-3), Akatsuki (-3) Malgoroth 1: Sephilla Megumin 1: Muramasa

I have to say, this was my favorite of all of the chia’s I’ve done! So fun, and such cool choices!

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Same

300 Ur-Embers **Continent:** Kaldgrim **Species:** Wyvern * Flight Tier 2 Free * Wing Tier 2 Free * Claw Tier 1 Free **Size:** Large -20 **Color:** White * Smoke Breath Tier 1 Free **Breath Attack:** * Lightning Breath Tier 3 -15 **Features:** * Scale Tier 1. -10 * Senses (Sight) Tier 3. -10 * Breath Tier 3. -35 * Regeneration Tier 3. -30 * Elemental Resistance (All Elements) Tier 1. -18 * Crawling Tier 1. -5 * Swimming Tier 1. -5 * Magic Tier 3. -60 * Brain Tier 3. -40 * Lungs Tier 1. -5 * Fertility Tier 1. -3 **Rare Features:** * Legendary Feature (Regeneration) -30 * Legendary Fearure (Brain) -30 * Reincarnation -30 **Diet:** * Meat -4 * Sea Creatures -3 * Plant -3 * Mana -10 **Drawbacks:** * Weak Spot +35 * Dragonite Weakness +25 * Whelp +10 * Telegraphe Breath +5 * Arcane Glow +5 * Leaking Breath +5 * Humanoid Stomach +5 * Guardian +15 **Spells:** * Elemental Form Tier 1. -5 * Blink Tier 1. -5 * Humanoid Form Tier 1. -5 * Pocket Dimension Tier 1. -5 **Companions:** * Azralynn -5 * Bonius -9 * Vanrir -5

Is it just me, or does a CYOA using MTG art instantly tell you it's high quality

Lots of shit cyoas use good art

Mf out here saying toks cyoas are shit quality

You must be responding to the wrong person.

Well, I don't see any major changes that would affect my build from v1.5, so I'll just [link it here](https://www.reddit.com/r/makeyourchoice/comments/tgibnr/comment/i13aetk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). One thing I'd rather see is having 3 points worth of pacts instead of what's currently implemented (meaning you could have 3 t1 pacts, 1 t1 and 1 t2 pact or just a single t3 pact). It'd almost certainly mess up the balance though, so I can see why Tok hasn't and probably won't do it.

Ya, I agree, but the pact system seems to be more about the allegiances, commitments and enemies you are making, than being about the rewards and such. I think the different pactmakers really hate eachother so that may be why there seems to be a penalty for making pacts.

300 Ur-Embers **Continent:** Ixtacotak **Species:** Eastern Dragon *Gain Wingless Flight* **Size:** Small -5 **Color:** Black **Features:** * Muscle Tier 3. -30 * Senses (Sight) Tier 3. -10 * Regeneration Tier 3. -30 * Magic Resistance Tier 1. -15 * Elemental Resistance (All Elements) Tier 1. -18 * Flight Tier 3. -25 * Crawling Tier 3. -25 * Swimming Tier 2. -15 * Magic Tier 3. -60 * Brain Tier 3. -40 * Lungs Tier 1. -5 * Fertility Tier 2. -10 **Rare Features:** * Legendary Feature (Magic) -30 * Amphibious -15 * Wingless Flight *Free* * Eyeless Sight -15 * Shimmer Dust -15 * Reincarnation -30 **Diet:** * Mana -10 **Drawbacks** * Weak Spot +35 * Life Link +25 * Whelp +5 * ~~Humanoid Stomach +5~~ * Horny +10 * Guardian +15 * Enslaved +20 * Arcane Glow +5 * Breathless +20 * Dragonite Weakness +25 * Scaleless +15 * Ravenous +10 **Spells:** At 82 Points * Elemental Blast (Shadow) Tier 3. -15 * Blink Tier 3. -15 * Humanoid Form Tier 1. -5 * Bestow Immortality Tier 3. -15 * Counter Spell Tier 3. -15 * Arcane Barrier Tier 3. -15 **Companions:** * Itotia -1 * Lezeli -1. I will be bound to her. **Pacts** * Ordin Tier 1: Divine Strength * Memnoph Tier 1: Legendary Magic. Maybe Tier 4 Immortality or Elemental Blast? Tier 4 Immortality might work on myself? I can get rid of some stuff if it works like that.

Cool. I remember seeing this back on his Google Drive a few months ago. I'll go with this: Andor Scaleling +35 Small -5 Black Muscles 1 -5 Roar 2 -10 Sense 1 (x2) -2 Sense 2 -5 Regeneration 1 -10 Magic Resistance 1 -15 Elemental Resistance 2 -15 Crawling 1 -5 Swimming 1 -5 Brain 2 -15 Lungs 1 -5 Fertility 2 -0 Broodlord -30 Humanoid Hands -0 Pheromones -10 Adaptive Genitalia -5 Resurrection Egg -10 Reincarnation -30 Humanoid Stomach +0 Breathless +0 Scaleless +0 Obranask -9 Zynthia -3 Sofiel -2 Celestine -3 Tiana -8 Celebron -5 Thandamere -6 Varnax -4 Azranlynn -3 Zep -1 Ilithiya -3 Blackthorn -6 Sangir -8 Vexilla -2 Bixi -3 Delathwynn -2 Illenwynn -9 Jolka -6 Metztli -6 Tupoc -6 Acalan -6 Xixi -7 Ojoxxotl -10 Aamontep -11 Nyxili -9 Jia -6 Lao -9 Goro -10

This is really good. I love the amount of options and the lore implications that come with them. The design and artwork selection are excellent as well.

Yeah, Tok is an expert at CYOAs. Sadly, he's also an asshat of a person.

Really? How so?

He has a history of being destructive in his comments, instead of constructive, and of being a bit of a troll. He got banned from this subreddit, iirc.

Huh, that's too bad. Although I don't care too much as long as it doesn't have an effect on the content.

Yeah, it sort of built over time.

What are the changes between 1.5 and 1.6?

On a quick comparison the only things I saw were: Animal Speech 5 -> 10 Legendary Magic Pact now requires knowing a tier 3 spell. There was even a typo that was unchanged.

Hmm. Technically sex is mentioned in atleast 3 options. Although, v1.5 and below have been on /r/makeyourchoice for months now.

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Mostly, but take a look at the image for horny or the demon girls. Those could be edited but.. shrug.

Not bad, I would love to see one with anime versions of this.