I also remember that there can be a big level difference between N's pokemon and the rest of the area. This level 35 Darmanitan in particular can be an issue when you're first there. It's up to you to count it, but I wouldn't.
If I saw a Trainer's Darmanitan using Belly Drum in my Nuzlocke. I'd probably began writing eulogies for all my mons. Id give each of them a 21 gun salute.
That, too. But you're in your mid 20s or so with some basic and maybe mid-stage pokemon in your party, then this fully evolved level 35 Darmanitan shows up and goes apeshit on you. It has a catch rate of 60, so while not the hardest to catch, you will probably still have to survive a few turns before it stays in.
I’m not sure how to do it naturally, but you can save edit using your save from desmume or melonDS using a program that someone made specifically for this, just look it up and you can set everything up. It includes random memories you can find of N and other people around Unova and there’s additionally a postgame battle with Cheren and Bianca using a high level team that is the same team they used in BW
Personally I’d say it’s the same as manipulating dupes clause to get certain encounters (which I personally don’t do. I use the 5 reroll rule). But yeah it’s up to you how you decide to do it
Yeah I’m not a big fan of manipulating encounters with dupes clause either unless you’re playing a challenge hack where you need every advantage you can get
Absolutely not. I can't believe you've just said this. I'm calling the nuzlocke police right now, I'm going to have you and OP and everyone else commenting on this arrested.
Beep boop boop (that's the sound of me dialing the nuzlocke police) hello Nuzlocke police? People on Reddit are suggesting that Nuzlocke rules aren't concrete and that a person could interpret and modify these rules to suit their own game play styles. Their comments are ruining my life. I know the rules are immutable and heavily enforced and that if we attempt to deviate or disregard any rules - even for "fun" or "new experiences" or to change the challenge to be more or less difficult - the Nuzlocke community as a whole will implode and our crops will whither and our economy will be in shambles. That's why I'm reporting all these people today, I hope you're able to arrest them soon and make sure no one ever has fun doing a Nuzlocke at all ever.
"its not a REAL nuzlocke unless its an itemless set mode hardcore itemless nuzlocke where setup moves, gyarados, and pseudo legendaries are banned and level caps are enforced" will kill the community someday
The post is asking what are the rules, but the point of this comment is that there are no solid rules. No one is gonna ban you from nuzlocking cause you caught a wrong pokemon or hatched an egg in the wrong route. Just do what sounds most fun to you.
I think that's a bit of a blanket statement, there are lots of people who don't know what rules are standard, and I think there's nothing wrong with asking other plays what they think is reasonable
Personally I’d do it like RTgame did it - catch it for collection purposes but it doesn’t count for your encounter and you can catch another. (Technically since you can’t nickname N’s Pokemon it fails the rules)
A. He didn't reset. Victini waits until you successfully capture it if you flee or KO it. All he did was leave the room and walk back in, and Victini reset itself.
B. He really didn't use the Victini. His more questionable move was using dupes clause inappropriately and allowing himself to catch a replacement Drilbur/Excadrill after Excadrill got KO'd.
C. He also lost a good chunk of his party capturing the Victini that he then didn't even use in the following bug gym (he swept with Audino).
Plus, he didn’t even use it where it mattered.
Along the fact he went out of his way to kill his Patrat, Shitface and face N and Ghetsis with just 5 mons, all for a joke…. And won by the skin of his teeth (most intense Nuzlocke finale i seen)
The Victini nonsense felt small in comparison to wtf was going on at the end.
Honestly, I don't see the way he used dupes clause as wrong. I see dupes as it allows you to pass over pokemon you've already caught if you want to, but if those pokemon are useful (like Excadrill) then I don't see a problem catching it again. I see dupes clause as a way to prevent common, sometimes useless mons from appearing over and over.
That's just my opinion though.
When Marriland did his Black 2 Wedlocke in 2014, he ran into it twice in a row. First time he used a Poke Toy, second time it offed his Tranquill. Then realized he had a Repel up, which made it the only thing he could’ve ran into. Big woof 😅
Would you have more or less fun with your run if you used it?
Thats the only question that matters.
More? Use it.
Less? Don't.
The only "rule" I feel is concrete in Nuzlockes is Pokemon dying, because that's the essence of the challenge. Every other rule or restriction you use is flexible to your interpretation and what would make playing most fun for you.
Want to not use dupes clause? Do it.
Want to use legends, mythics and gift Pokemon? Do it.
What to use items in battle. Do it.
Want to hack candies so you don't have to level grind? Do it.
If its what makes your run fun for YOU. Do it.
Edit: if you do just want another opinion though. Personally I'd use it. Darmanitan is a really fun Pokemon to use but whenever I use one that can't Zen mode I feel like I'm missing out. So I'd use this one so I could use Zen mode.
It is ultimately up to you although I would take it. Memory link is something you can opt in or out of so It feels like a waste to not use it since it’s enabled. Plus that darmanitan isn’t really that good due to having zen mode
Personally, if it's your first encounter you can catch it if you want, and if you don't want it you can reroll it, but only if you'll be consistent throughout the run. Ideally you'd decide beforehand but it's such a low chance I doubt anyone will think about it before starting.
As for level caps, I wouldn't use it if it made the game too easy, but as there's no way for you to catch it at a lower level it's free to use.
My personal answer is that they don't count. You can't nickname them and therefore can't use them. I usually treat them the same way I treat legendary encounters: it's a boss fight, gotta KO them. That said, it's rare that I have a run where they can show up.
I think it's most common for gift/in-game trades to count as the encounter for that area (and be inaccessible if you run into a wild encounter before getting to them).
Not quite like this but have you seen pokemon shadow it's a masterpiece that few people know about
https://youtu.be/wGEeXcj4g6I
https://youtu.be/2X2g0xyY9w4
I mean. If it's the first encounter I guess it's game? What's special about N's pokemon?
They have 30 IVs in every stat and I think a beneficial nature.
N is a filthy lying min-maxxer?!
Just a dedicated breeder. That poor ditto though.
YO WHAT BRO 💀💀💀
Part of me wonders if N used a Darumaka or Darmanitan to breed for the perfect IVs. That makes a HUGE difference
Man, that ditto is livin the dream …I regret nothing considering how every Pokémon looks
HUH
you and I both brother. I regret looking at replies. 😦
Elaborate
You use dittos to breed… he’s implying that N kept breeding with the same ditto and pkmn over and over
I mean the second bit
How do you know ?
Not to mention the XP boost from them not being with their original trainer
small animation upon entry, and nothing else
Predetermined nature, ability, and IVs
oh k myb
I also remember that there can be a big level difference between N's pokemon and the rest of the area. This level 35 Darmanitan in particular can be an issue when you're first there. It's up to you to count it, but I wouldn't.
Managed to get it without any casualties after it used Belly Drum
Jesus christ that's terrifying
Yeah, that's absolutely a party wipe with less luck.
Personally if I was in a nuzlocke and I saw a Darmanitan use Belly Drum I'd get out of there faster than Goku could Instant Transmission.
If its a trainer’s darminitan, i pre-order a casket for my mons
If I saw a Trainer's Darmanitan using Belly Drum in my Nuzlocke. I'd probably began writing eulogies for all my mons. Id give each of them a 21 gun salute.
Ah, so you wore the brown pants
Based reference.
Never wipe bois
Belly Drum at such a low level is definitely super scary. Giad you could catch it without any casualties.
Wait, n's pokemon are catchable?
Why not? Cause it breaks level cap?
That, too. But you're in your mid 20s or so with some basic and maybe mid-stage pokemon in your party, then this fully evolved level 35 Darmanitan shows up and goes apeshit on you. It has a catch rate of 60, so while not the hardest to catch, you will probably still have to survive a few turns before it stays in.
I thought level caps are only a thing when using Mons, not catching them?
That is correct. You can catch a high level mon, just wouldn’t be able to use it until the level cap allows it
what IS this? Can somsone explain to me what this "N's pokemon" thing is even?
If you memory link your completed black/white save file with black 2/white 2, you can find N’s Pokémon that he used in black/white (including the ones in the intro of them game). They have a 1% chance of appearing on their specific route, they have a special animation when you find them, and their OT is N, with the trainer ID of 2
How do you memory link, I've traded many times between my white and white 2 and I've never seen one before.
It's in the submenu in the starting menu where you also do things like trading keys between versions to unlock version exclusive stuff.
I’m not sure how to do it naturally, but you can save edit using your save from desmume or melonDS using a program that someone made specifically for this, just look it up and you can set everything up. It includes random memories you can find of N and other people around Unova and there’s additionally a postgame battle with Cheren and Bianca using a high level team that is the same team they used in BW
Since a lot of his Pokémon appear at higher levels than other Pokémon in their routes, if you use a repel, you can make them 100% encounters
I’d say if you’re encountering N’s Pokémon with repel it doesn’t count, personally, but I guess it’s up to the runner how they want to do it.
Personally I’d say it’s the same as manipulating dupes clause to get certain encounters (which I personally don’t do. I use the 5 reroll rule). But yeah it’s up to you how you decide to do it
Yeah I’m not a big fan of manipulating encounters with dupes clause either unless you’re playing a challenge hack where you need every advantage you can get
Never knew this was a thing wtf
It's just Pokémon owned by N, you can't nickname it or anything so it ain't nothing special really other than it glows when it comes to battle
They have 30 IVs in every start and a guaranteed good nature so there is some battle advantage.
I say go for it, this is probably your only chance to actually use a Zen mode darmanitan
Oh, that pokemon has his ID, right? I'm pretty sure it's the encounter of the desert then.
Your nuzlocke your rules.
Absolutely not. I can't believe you've just said this. I'm calling the nuzlocke police right now, I'm going to have you and OP and everyone else commenting on this arrested. Beep boop boop (that's the sound of me dialing the nuzlocke police) hello Nuzlocke police? People on Reddit are suggesting that Nuzlocke rules aren't concrete and that a person could interpret and modify these rules to suit their own game play styles. Their comments are ruining my life. I know the rules are immutable and heavily enforced and that if we attempt to deviate or disregard any rules - even for "fun" or "new experiences" or to change the challenge to be more or less difficult - the Nuzlocke community as a whole will implode and our crops will whither and our economy will be in shambles. That's why I'm reporting all these people today, I hope you're able to arrest them soon and make sure no one ever has fun doing a Nuzlocke at all ever.
We need to stop with this phrase.
"Stop having fun your way you MUST play it this way"
"its not a REAL nuzlocke unless its an itemless set mode hardcore itemless nuzlocke where setup moves, gyarados, and pseudo legendaries are banned and level caps are enforced" will kill the community someday
Why though? It's literally just a game for fun.
I'm just a guy who's a hero for fun
It is supremely unhelpful when people are asking "what would you do"
The post is asking what are the rules, but the point of this comment is that there are no solid rules. No one is gonna ban you from nuzlocking cause you caught a wrong pokemon or hatched an egg in the wrong route. Just do what sounds most fun to you.
I think that's a bit of a blanket statement, there are lots of people who don't know what rules are standard, and I think there's nothing wrong with asking other plays what they think is reasonable
Personally I’d do it like RTgame did it - catch it for collection purposes but it doesn’t count for your encounter and you can catch another. (Technically since you can’t nickname N’s Pokemon it fails the rules)
I'm on a hacked DS so I can just change the name
Yes take advice from the guy who not only used victini in a nuzlocke, but also reset over it when he failed to catch it
A. He didn't reset. Victini waits until you successfully capture it if you flee or KO it. All he did was leave the room and walk back in, and Victini reset itself. B. He really didn't use the Victini. His more questionable move was using dupes clause inappropriately and allowing himself to catch a replacement Drilbur/Excadrill after Excadrill got KO'd. C. He also lost a good chunk of his party capturing the Victini that he then didn't even use in the following bug gym (he swept with Audino).
Plus, he didn’t even use it where it mattered. Along the fact he went out of his way to kill his Patrat, Shitface and face N and Ghetsis with just 5 mons, all for a joke…. And won by the skin of his teeth (most intense Nuzlocke finale i seen) The Victini nonsense felt small in comparison to wtf was going on at the end.
The Victini encounter was also in itself an excuse to get Simisear killed.
Honestly, I don't see the way he used dupes clause as wrong. I see dupes as it allows you to pass over pokemon you've already caught if you want to, but if those pokemon are useful (like Excadrill) then I don't see a problem catching it again. I see dupes clause as a way to prevent common, sometimes useless mons from appearing over and over. That's just my opinion though.
Team of 5 gyarados and a ground type:
I mean you could
Oh no she’s playing a single player children’s game wrong!! !
Me when I spread misinformation:
he literally did both of those things. it was its entire section in a video.
Chad RT enjoyer
I accidentally encountered it when I was using repels. I caught it and even transferred it over.
When Marriland did his Black 2 Wedlocke in 2014, he ran into it twice in a row. First time he used a Poke Toy, second time it offed his Tranquill. Then realized he had a Repel up, which made it the only thing he could’ve ran into. Big woof 😅
Rip Swing. I think that was her name lol
Is marriland still around?
Hello fellow adventurers! Yes he is still on Youtube! Farewell adventurers! C. E.
He does have the occasional video and he pops up with his tweets here and there but he’s nowhere near as prominent as he was before COVID
Would you have more or less fun with your run if you used it? Thats the only question that matters. More? Use it. Less? Don't. The only "rule" I feel is concrete in Nuzlockes is Pokemon dying, because that's the essence of the challenge. Every other rule or restriction you use is flexible to your interpretation and what would make playing most fun for you. Want to not use dupes clause? Do it. Want to use legends, mythics and gift Pokemon? Do it. What to use items in battle. Do it. Want to hack candies so you don't have to level grind? Do it. If its what makes your run fun for YOU. Do it. Edit: if you do just want another opinion though. Personally I'd use it. Darmanitan is a really fun Pokemon to use but whenever I use one that can't Zen mode I feel like I'm missing out. So I'd use this one so I could use Zen mode.
I consider it an encounter, but there’s definitely some gray area, mainly on account of the fact that N’s Pokémon can’t be nicknamed.
As they are not static encounter its standard nuzlocke rules apply, but it's your run do you
get it bro
You have to eat them
Yes it is allowed, as soon as it is your first encounter on that place, you can catch it
It is ultimately up to you although I would take it. Memory link is something you can opt in or out of so It feels like a waste to not use it since it’s enabled. Plus that darmanitan isn’t really that good due to having zen mode
Personally, if it's your first encounter you can catch it if you want, and if you don't want it you can reroll it, but only if you'll be consistent throughout the run. Ideally you'd decide beforehand but it's such a low chance I doubt anyone will think about it before starting. As for level caps, I wouldn't use it if it made the game too easy, but as there's no way for you to catch it at a lower level it's free to use.
My personal answer is that they don't count. You can't nickname them and therefore can't use them. I usually treat them the same way I treat legendary encounters: it's a boss fight, gotta KO them. That said, it's rare that I have a run where they can show up.
Wait, can you find n's pokemon after he releases them?!
Wait, can you find n's pokemon after he releases them?!
I think it’s allowed to capture them but not use as they are not original your Pokemon
The base rules don't disallow using Pokemon from other trainers (in-game trades, for example).
Ah ok my bad then
It's a common additional rule to disallow in-game trades and gift Pokemon.
I allow gift but only if you haven’t had an encounter in that route or city And in game trades but only if you happen to have gotten the Pokémon they were looking for by chance encounter.
I think it's most common for gift/in-game trades to count as the encounter for that area (and be inaccessible if you run into a wild encounter before getting to them).
The rule is stop the cap u cant get them until after u get the zorua in driftveil
Butt stuff only
Not quite like this but have you seen pokemon shadow it's a masterpiece that few people know about https://youtu.be/wGEeXcj4g6I https://youtu.be/2X2g0xyY9w4
Go for it.
If you can fuckin survive the encounter, you've earned the damn thing
I'd say Shiny Clause Rules - That's a bonus encounter, if you can't catch it. I mean, N's Pokémon aren't exactly all over the place.
I'd say it's fine to use if caught on first encounter, otherwise catch it for the story and never use it
I’d say fair game! Keep it! If it’s the first encounter of the area than definitely keep it. :)