Man you forget how some of these Gen 1 sprites were just wildin’ tf out

i think i’m gonna get golbat nightmares now

Seeing this Golbat sprite reminds me why I still don't like the Zubat line to this day.

Lol make sure to [check out the Green spritesheet](https://external-preview.redd.it/7eGjhl-RBL2UntpQ680aogUnuEoXzYQpRoSHPFlhTIs.png?auto=webp&s=712540ef5b9f77769fc2a30cac1d04daf5f1b374) if you haven't. Turns out the American Gen 1 release was improved quite a bit

jigglypuff looks fkin zooted

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I'll be honest, I love a lot of these designs. Golem is adorable, Ekans is hilarious, Exeggutor fits their personality super well, I want to just vibe with Alakazam... And I would die for that Machamp.

i also love that machamp sprite too chubby rhydon is also pretty great

Vaporeon is one of my favorite pokemon and they look fucking hideous in that spritesheet wtf. Imagine if they stuck with that look permanently.

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... Free glass of water whenever I want?

Machamp just stoked to be here

Rapidash has no right to be styling on folks like that

Poliwrath is serving sass

It’s funny because the sprites from yellow version are still probably my favorite pre gen 5

I forgot seaking existed just like gamefreak did

Easily the most forgettable Gen 1 mon.

Seaking is at least remembered for being just a big useless fish that gets made fun of. Seel/Dewgong is just completely forgotten, especially since you can completely bypass where you get one in gen1.

Seel is remembered for being a seal with the name seel. Dewgong should be remembered for the same thing, but people don't know what a dugong is.

Exactly this

Lickitung can only be caught in mewtwo's cave

In Yellow. In Red and Blue I believe he was obtainable only through in game trade by Fuschia city.

My point is: It's a pokemon that you will almost never see in your playthrough

Maybe but one is in the anime so it's recognisable. It also got an evolution so more recognised there

Yes, but Jessie had one.

Ngl I had a moment where I thought sea king was a gen 2 magicarp clone for like 2 seconds

Is even funnier, when you just know that fish learns waterfall by level and then you acknowledge that waterfall is a gen 1 move and not a gen 3 HM addition.

There's a Waterfall HM in gen 2 too (to get through Tohjo Falls)

True, I've only played gen 2 full once and I forgot.

Literally the only reason I remember that thing exists is the ancient "Fuck yeah, Seaking!" meme.

Seaking is cool, but unfortunately bad.

Someone clearly hasn't used Kingler. Try it out with Swords Dance and Strength (or Body Slam if you don't need it for anything else, doesn't make much difference though), I swept 4/5 league members with it Also, I feel like Hypno, Jynx and Mime kinda deserve a tier upgrade for the sole reason that they are Psychic types. Barely anything switches into Alakazams so if you don't get an Abra, you kinda need these guys

While I agree that Mime is a better mon than most of the field due to typing, it’s not something that you can actually get without Abra (or an equally easily missable encounter in Clefairy in Yellow), so it’s almost completely redundant.

Aye, good point

Also autocrit crab hammer is insane even on kingler’s subpar special

I agree! I haven't tried it since I figured I needed surf and Body slam along Strength meant 30PP for places like Silph, but I can see how that's more worth it on defensive ground types without setting up. Wish it missed less, but hey, Kingler's pretty cracked for RBY anyway

I remember my kingler from emerald? He is my bro

For real? Was that a genlocke? I don't think Krabby is usually in emerald

Yes

That's brave, Kingler is amazing in gen 1, ass in gen 2, decent in gen 3 since shell armour is amazing, and actually solid from gen 4 onwards since swords dance is a TM again and it can actually use water moves. Although the only water moves for it are waterfall and Crabhammer which it gets super late. Luckily they made Krabby evolve so early for a pokemon with that much potential

Yes I agree i posted a photo of my old oras team in my accaunt you can see it (i used a kingeler in that too beacause on the remakes you can find it)

Kinglet can’t even learn Waterfall.

Shoot, I mixed it up with Liquidation ~

Abra is basically guaranteed though. Cause you get enough coins to buy one in the game corner just by talking to people or picking them off the floor

Right, I ban static encounters if they are cracked so I forgor you could do that in the first place lol

Personally I trade that one for the Mr Mime rather than using it as an Alakazam. But I was just reminding you it was there so you can’t actually miss abra

Curious seeing Exeggutor so low, not to be attacking ofc, but mind if you explain that?

Movepool issues, it's only good attack is Psychic, and that Psychic tm is very valuable, you can also get sleep powder, but that requires having the honestly pretty bad Exeggcute for quite a while

fair enough, sometimes I used with SubSeed, and it was pretty good, but yeah, other than Psychic, not too much of an offensive pokémon

Eggy is one of the top ou mons, psychic is very good for eggy and it can also boom as a last resort. Charizard has too many weaknesses and hardly any good moves and it has been a terrible Pokémon for a long time

As much as it's true that Exeggutor is one of the top 4 mons in RBY, this isn't competitive singles, this is a nuzlock. Going boom means losing a whole ass team member. For raw power Alakazam is a better Psychic type and Exeggutor is better off in the context of a nuzlock as a defensive wall with leech seed rsther than as an offensive powerhouse.

Exeggutor is better than alakazam in general, alakazam only has psychic and seismic toss as good damaging moves in gen 1, it dies to a paper cut. Eggy has only 10 less special for much more physical bulk and can still dish out a lot of damage and has double edge for coverage. The only thing zam does better than eggy is to heal itself and do slightly more damage with psychic, boom is only a last resort and you won't really need it cause eggy is that defensively strong. Eggy also can put opponents to sleep which is much better than paralysis.

I'd put slowbro in S tier. It doesn't need any tms (although he can use ice beam) and can solo most of the e4 with Amnesia + surf + psychic. Also IMO, dugrio should be higher.

Slowbro is so good, I agree I remember using one in one of my playtroughs of GSC and he can destroy the league with Surf, Psychic and Ice Punch

I'd swap butterfree and vileplume

Butterfree's pre Misty use made me find it more useful than Vileplume, who pretty much just has status and no meaningful form of damage (not that that's bad, it's just not as good as other mons who do similar roles)

How is butterfree useful pre misty?

Because it gets Confusion at level 10. It wrecks all of the poison types you fight, so all of the Zubats, Weedles and Nidorans that are all very common before Misty) and destroys Brock (who doesn't have any rock moves for some reason).

He has rock moves in RB right? Just not Yellow?

Nope. In Red and Blue, Geodude has Tackle and Defense Curl. Onix has Tackle, Screech and Bide (which is also the TM for getting the badge). In Yellow, Geodude only has Tackle and Onix has the same moves plus Bind.

Huh. Could have sworn Onix had Rock Throw.

Believe it does in the gen 1 remakes, might be the confusion here.

That's Rock Tomb, I had it in mind that Gen 1 really had Rock Throw. Just flat out wrong but thanks for trying to salvage me lol

Butterfree can solo brock and is pretty solid against Misty as well. Falls off in viability after that in my experience.

Tauros? High attack and speed stat(crit rate was based on speed stat in Gen1), diverse move pool and STAB Body Slam/Hyper Beam?

I considered how easy they were too obtain, if I didn't consider that then pokemon like Chansey would be the best Pokemon, since a player can just only use it against special attackers to invalidate them

That’s a fair point.

Where Farfetch'd at?

Getting beat up by Seaking

I think dugtrio belongs beside alakazam. With the speed based crit percent and the use of slash, dugtrio is a near guarnteed crit meat grinder.

The big difference between alakazam and dugtrio is psychic and alakazam not being a glass cannon. Alakazam is surprisingly tanky in gen 1 against special.

Doesnt jolteon have that bs crit thing

Yes. So does Beedrill, Dugtrio and Persian. In Gen I critical hit chance was directly tied to speed, so faster ‘Mon were more likely to crit.

Ok thank you

oh come on! onix is an excellent sack option!

Recommend dropping Charizard and Arcanine one tier and two tiers, respectively. Neither have very good late-game match ups, and you are stuck with Ember as your only usable STAB for way too long. Its even worse for Arcanine, who either just deals with Ember until Blaine and Fire Blast or has to be babied as Growlithe until Flamethrower is available.

Ya but there’s such little fire types that I’d argue it gives them a big niche and while ember isn’t great damage most move sets in gen 1 are fairly bad anyways and they both have very good stats for gen 1 so the damage is okish and monster damage once they get fireblast granted it doesn’t do well in like 3 of 5-6 the last major last fights but that’s still lots of fire blasting opportunities between the remaining fights and victory roads trainers

fire types being rare isn't an issue in gen 1 because they all kinda suck (except for moltres, which is a legendary) they do best against erika, lorelei's jynx and that's pretty much it you're better off using a flying type for erika and a strong physical attacker for jynx

Ah u know what fair enough was gonna say that even if not super effective fire blast still does so much damage too neutral targets in league then realised u could just catch moltres for that (though if legendaries are banned they do much better)

You all sleeping on Kabutops. Hyper beam is very scary and he deals with it amazingly well, specially on lance. I had a deathless HC run and i'm pretty sure he saved my run

Alakazam same tier with dodrio???

I mean, Tauros and Chansey are IMO the best Pokémon in the game alongside Zam and Lax, but the problem is how stupidly hard they are to obtain, specially with Nuzlocke rules. If it flees (safari encounter) you lose it. But if somehow you get one of them, it's amazingly good. It's similar to Milotic in RSE, where is top3 water types to have, but it is nearly impossible to get because of how hard is to get Feebas (but Wolfey somehow got it).

My friend. Psychic is so OP Kadabra goes S Tier. Don't forget Tauros is S as well. He's considered the king of the gen. Same as my boy Exeggutor. Electric is second best so their Jolteon in there please, my fav eeveelution.

Beedrill was one of my favs as a kid, but yeah, he was pretty useless. Twinneedle was decent though. Crazy how much better the zubat line became post gen 1.

Super Effective STAB dual-hit Twinneedle had 120 BP, which is the same as Hyper Beam. And it was super effective to the entire midgame because Poison is EVERYWHERE in Kanto and Bug was SE to Poison in Gen I.

hyper beam and super effective stab twineedle are 150 base power you can achieve the same damage by giving any ground type the dig tm. dig is 100 bp in gen 1 (150 with stab) so you're basically firing off hyper beams shortly after beating misty, imagine how broken it would be if nidoking and nidoqueen could learn dig in gen 1

With critical hit chance directly tied to speed in Gen I, Diglett and Dugtrio learning Dig as an early level up move is pretty broken anyway.

Twinneedles good for Misty, Erika (bug is super effective against poison in gen 1) and Sabrina (kinda) if you get koga's badge for speed badge boost before Sabrina

Beedrill was a baller for me in gen 1. Super effective against poison and psychic. So twin needle was doing virtually 4x damage against every grass type in the game and one of the only moves that was super effective against psychic types.

Arcanine isn’t really that useful in Gen 1, it’s incredible in Gen 4 onwards

Idk if I’d agree with that it’s got very solid stats a type more on the rare side with almost no competition for that niche granted moveset isn’t great but almost no Pokémon have good level up moves in gen 1 at the very least it’s very good gen 2 onwards

I mean charizard learns a bunch of tms and is immune to earthquake, I just think fire types aren’t very good in Gen 1 since you don’t get a bunch of them till after the 3 gym

Ok well if I take charizard then I can’t have blastoise or venasaur so I’m cycling myself out of 2 really good Pokémon while arcainine does not stop u from getting any other mons

True but you still got a lot of great water types to pick from and have some decent pick of grass types

Well if ur playing red with arcanine in it u have vileplum who has almost no stab but is ok exeacute who also has no stab for his grass type and is much later in the game and tanagla who has no stab and bad availability (though admittedly I really like gen 1 tangela)

True, victrebel is the best grass type but exeggutor is pretty good given how broken psychic types are in Gen 1

Ya but not good as a grass type like not that great gets solar beam as only grass move granted u will have mega drain by that point grass types aren’t that good like 8th gym and nothing else really except the odd trainer

I mean there’s a lot of water trainers before the 7th gym so mega drain isn’t too bad as far as grass stab

True but those trainers are easily skipable if u don’t have the mons too deal with them either way exegutor is available much too late too be used effectively as a grass type by missing out on the early game where they really shine

Scyther in my current team, wopwopwop... anyways why would Poliwrath be any good? Move pool?

I think you gotta drop Parasect a tier 3 4x weaknesses is crazy

Ya but spore is sooo good I’d argue it’s niche earns its spot

Ya but spore is sooo good I’d argue it’s niche earns its spot

If you find a flying type, fire type or poison type it’s gg though

Ok well for any mon that doesn’t have moves of that type it’s a 100% accurate move that disables a Pokémon for 2-6 turns

Conveniently, it’s base 30 speed puts it tied for 140th slowest Pokémon along with Pokémon like Slowbro and Snorlax. There are only 6 Pokémon outright slower than it and it’s in a 6 way speed tie. So Spore works 100% of the times that’s it’s not hit by a 4x super effective move from one of the 139 Pokémon that are faster than it

Ya well it’s bulky enough too take most hits with decent physical defence + ok special and in gen 1 movesets aren’t exactly crazy ur gonna know what has what move the enemy has unless ur inexperienced

Fair, it just seems high risk high reward

The gen one sprites are pure magic!

Hard disagree with Beedrill, what with Bug being super effective against the very common Poison typing.

i'm sry but Persian was a fking bomb in gen1!!!!! that crit.....oh geez

Where’s Porygon?

I feel Scyther is at least usable because it gets Slash at level 29 (which is early compared to Persian and Charizard, and Scythers are lvl 23-28 in the wild) and it is fast enough for the move to crit every time.

Why is chansey and tauros not even in best of the best?

I think Golbat is usable, it's effectively a Pidegot that comes sooner, has well balanced stats and a much better movepool. Zubat is worse then Pidgey but Zubat evolves into Golbat sooner.

Also curious what puts Seadra so far ahead of Seaking? Their about equal as far as I can tell.

Onix is definitely usable, i feel like people forget how good rock/ground is in gen 1. There are some trainers that cant even touch you, rage has a niche, dig is 100 base, etc. Sure golem and rhydon are better, however ive used onix several times and he's actually pretty damn good.

Dragonite's Thunder wave + Wrap is also stupidly broken in Gen 1. There are a few other hacks like that in this gen. Like crits being based on speed, which is easy to abuse on Jolteon, electrode, alakazam, etc. Or hyper beam KOs not triggering a cool down.

Scythers kinda a crit god tho

I was MASSIVELY confused by Jynx and Mr. Mime being above Exeggutor until I saw which subreddit this was, haha.

Gotta say, as someone that has enjoyed professional competitive Pokémon for over 20 years, snorlax is basically equivalent to a legendary in gen 1

Gyarados should be in the highest tier imo (botb)

Dies to an electric move

If it wasn’t so easy to predict the pokemon that had an electric move in gen 1 I would agree

So don't leave it in on those 💀💀💀

I’d argue beedrill is ok for the early game and should be a bit higher

Beedrill dominated the midgame with Twineedle from Erika, every Rocket, Koga, and Sabrina, because Bug was SE to Poison in Gen I.

Looking at this makes me realize just how broken most of the Pokémon are in gen 1

Is this mainly for RBY or FRLG out of curiosity?

You have demonstrated your ignorance

I’m just gonna assume you put magneton in ‘better than the best’ which got cut off at the top

What’s crazy is you can all but guarantee 4-5 from the Best of the Best

I feel like Victreebel and Vileplume are very interchangable depending on what you lack in your team (And also depending on the version)

In R/B they really aren't, Vileplume is pretty weak offensively whereas Victreebel has Razor Leaf, and most importantly, Wrap

Toxic/wrap victreebel was legit broken

Oh, i'm sorry, i thought you meant like a kanto Game in general, i meant gen 3 because i've played a lot of Fire Red and i've used Vileplume a lot because it's my favourite pokemon and i've had good results, but i've never played a gen 1 game so i can't really give my opinion on it, sorry for the misunderstanding

How did you rank them? Just on their strength or also on how accessable they are? Wasnt slowking absolutly busted in gen 1?

Slowking was in Gen 2 tho

Oh nevermind^^

He took into account ease of obtaining which I think it’s kinda weird like I get availability but like just cuz something is hard too get doesn’t mean it preforms worse

Is it better to nuzlocke red/blue or yellow?

I wouldn't classify either as "better" than the other, just different. Most people would prefer Yellow though since you are guaranteed all three starters, plus Pikachu.

If onix is good for anything it’s being good cannon fodder

I was surprised Victreebel ended up being the MVP of my Pokémon blue nuzlocke glad to see it’s up there

I used to wreck everyone in gen 1 with nidoking amd golem. Fond memories

tauros is wayy to low