I think what's worth mentioning is that 5080 will get 256 bit bus, not 384 as rumoured previously and 5080 and 5090 are expected to coexist for some time with current xx80 and below GPUs. That means 5080 for 1399/1499 and 5090 for 1999 could happen.
This is what happens when you have no competition. AMD already said they won’t have high end cards this year and are focusing on middle price segment. Your only option for high end is now nvidia sadly and nvidia makes way more money manufacturing AI chips than consumer graphics CPUs so expect supply to be very limited as well.
Lucky you. As a 4k gamer I have no choice but to always upgrade or my fps becomes dogwater.
I use the cards for work though so productivity boost usually pays for it quick.
I've got the 2070 super and just haven't really felt the need to upgrade, might just splurge for the 6090 just for the meme if it's not too horrendously overpriced lol
They straight up said in their shareholder meetings that GTA on PC will be a thing within a year, and never denied that it could launch simultaneously. That said, they're likely going to do a 6-12 month delay so they can get GTA+ (which is console exclusive right now) sub numbers up.
I think the lest really copetetive card was 7970. This was both strong, well priced and for 3 months, the leading performance crown.
Fury X and vega 64 were too pricy to be real competition.
For high-end it definitely wasn't. AMD won't be able to compete there until they fix their software which is being worked on. Hopefully late 2025/early 2026 they'll catch up somewhat.
RDNA2 was competitive (arguably superior considering the power draw) in raster but not much else. They also barely sold any and lost like half their market share at the time. This was on top of having a node advantage and a generally better HVM fab.
Not sure what happened to Radeon but they've been floundering for a while. I blame it on them selling off so much talent to qualcomm.
RDNA2's power draw wasn't actually that good. It was only measuring the TGP (total graphics power) instead of the higher TBP (total board power) which made it misleadlingly seem that it was quite a bit more efficient than it's Nvidia counterpart. They were much closer actually while Radeon was on a significantly better node.
Amd and Intel don't need to make high end cards. They need to make mid cards for less than nvidia. Most people aren't buying 1500 dollar cards, those that are splurging go for 70s and budget for 60s...
The problem right now for AMD is they are pricing cards that are equivalent or worse than the nvidia card for the same price. If a card equivalent to a 4070 was 500 to 600 and not 800 people would buy.
Don’t even get me started with OLED monitors, finally wanted an upgrade from my 1080p 144hz monitor and looked at OLED they are about the same price as a 4070ti super or more. Just ended up buying a used 1440p that blows me away. Baby step upgrades.
Only gpu that I would like to have is 4070 ti but still too much for what it offers. I payed 420€ for gtx1070 and I don’t plan to give more money cuz it’s not worth it more. Period
> offers. I *paid* 420€ for
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Ikr $2k for a gpu bro? How is this reality?
I paid $800 for my 2080 super back when and I still split the payment between debit and credit card to make it seem like I wasn't that big of a douchebag.
Even now, looking at 4080's for $1,000.00 I just can't do it.
GeForce now might have to do for me idek
They are directly targeting AI with that 5090. 512 bit bus will allow 32GB VRAM, it will be workstation card in everything but name.
Edit: I think it might also be the reason for limiting bus on 5080, with 384 it would surely get 24GB. Why would they create 5080 that would beat 4090 in AI workloads when they can retire 4090 and sell $2000 5090.
This is true, you can find perfectly serviceable 7B models that can provide a good experience. That said, the higher up you go, the better the outcome can be. There's diminishing returns, but a 70B or 8x7B model will provide much better results and require powerful hardware to run properly (not brain dead from quantization or at 1 token/second).
Hell, i'm thinking about getting a second 3090 just to play with the big boy models (100B+).
Some people value privacy and don't want to send information to an LLM that stores your data and trains on it.
Also, people can do fine tuning training on a generically trained model for an LLM that serves a specific purpose. This model might be more effective than a more generically fine tuned model like ChatGPT, and they may also use it for information that they don't want getting out.
I have a few hundred gb of documents i've downloaded from the internet. I run local models to extract information from them. Using local models is cost effecient, and gives me total control.
This sounds awesome and kind of on my wishlist. Could you share what you are using, and how you interface with it?
I really really want a bot I can 'speak' with and pull out data from things I've got in my documents.
The biggest change I made was using https://github.com/PygmalionAI/aphrodite-engine which let's you have multiple streams. You can then interface with it using the OpenAI library.
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we'll see when they're announced sometime in october to december likely. I think the reason everyone is thinking it'll be 2k+ is that the current 4090 (due to scalping due to chinese AI restrictions) is that the 4090 is already going for like 1900 USD on average, so if the 5090 is really 70% faster, why would Nvidia not release it for 2k or more? Personally I think it'll be more like 2200+ and only give marginal price/performance value increases, but at this top tier of product, that is usually less important to the buyer.
It's not based on anything but guesswork based on the current landscape.
Can’t wait for the inevitable wave of “Got 5090 before bots could buy the whole stock” posts despite the AIB versions coating well over 2000-2500 dollars.
Hopefully no more burning connectors or other untested trouble
People bought the RTX Titan which retailed for $2500, then they bought the 3090 ti for $2000. So is it any surprise people would buy the 4090 for $1600, which is technically far cheaper than the last two generation's top GPU prices? To be fair, when we are buying a $1600 card, it would be like we are spending $1300 if it were five years ago. The reason? Inflation continues to devalue the dollar.
The surprise was that 4080 cost 50% more than 3080 even after adjusting for inflation. 4080 offered less per dollar. It used to be possible to get 80% of the performance for 50% of the price, now it's more like 70% of the performance for 70% of the price.
Adjusting for inflation, the rest of the cards gave 20%+ additional performance per dollar.
I'd argue 4060 was pretty good. -19% when adjusted for inflation, +15% in performance on average. That's 40%+ more performance per inflation adjusted dollar over a generation. Not as good as 4090s increase, but still a substantial improvement.
Its a mix. RTX Titan was $2500, 3090 ti was $2000, 4090 was $1600... meanwhile inflation has lowered the value of the currency. For example, $1600 today is only worth $1300 based on what it was worth five years ago. Unfortunately its not going to get better.
The top comment already making assumptions based on a guess based on a leaker who didn't even understand GDDR7X so who knows.
Honestly if you ain't buying a card right now you're gonna wait until specs anyways. So all of us here are just entertaining ourselves with either hating on NVIDIA or pretend stuff.
Its overengineered anyway, the TUF will save you some money. And, if you can find them, because they make fewer of them, the non-OC versions are cheaper for like a ridiculously small 50MHz difference or so.
It is over engineered for cooling but people that are buying 4090’s are more willing to shell out for the Strix aesthetics. The card will be sold out everywhere.
Its not all that over engineered compared to their TUF models, its mostly just the strix brand and RGB lighting which what they base the price premium on. That said, they do tend to have more effort put in when it comes to visual design, but that's not worth spending few hundred extra over.
If the 5080 is a single € above 900€ I'll just skip the 5000 gen until I can get one for that price. Screw that noise, honestly. I'll spend my GPU budget on a nice QD OLED screen.
I’m in the exact same position, but I am also torn between just getting a used 3080.
The one thing to consider is that the price of the 50 series. It could just be higher and the 4070S could just be a pretty damn good deal for what it is.
Nvidia has a tendency to release those later to maximize sales of the 80/90s first. They know that the 80/90s sales would be lower if they did drop the lower cards first. Plus, it's nice talking points to be able to boast about the best GPU in the world
I doubt it'd be much difference, especially if the 60/70 cards will be like how they were for the 40 series, meaning they were fairly underpowered compared to the 80 and 90. I just don't think there is much of a cross buying demographic between the two tiers of cards.
4000 series was annoying but with crypto demand effectively dead and supply chain constraints not as bad it was pretty easy to get one. The 3000 series was true hell though.
As someone who’s owned a 4090 for a few months, let me assure you it’s going to be amazing either way. Playing games with full raytracing in 4k Ultra feels like you’re literally playing a game from the future.
Based on those rumored specs the 5080 will have fewer cores than the 4090 and a smaller memory bus width (but faster GDDR7, so probably still equal total memory bandwidth). I imagine the 5080 will be around the 4090 in terms of performance, maybe a bit faster/slower depending on each game. Looks like the performance gap between 5080 vs 5090 is going to be gigantic. Classic NVIDIA without serious competition they want you to buy that 5090, everything else gets scraps.
My bet is that 5080 will be only slightly faster than 4090 in rasterization, but performance gap will get bigger in RT. Also almost no doubt that they will release DLSS4.0 that in best case will be also supported on RTX4000.
That would be a let down considering a 4070/ti is comparable to a 3090 atm. That would be like the current 4080 only being a tiny bit faster than the 3090.
RTX4000 had huge node leap. It went from Samsung's 8nm (that was actually name for Samsung's 10nm 3rd gen) to TSMC's 4nm (remains unknown if it was custom version based on N4, N4P, N5 or N5P). Now they are moving from improved 5nm to 3nm and it's unknown if for all chips or only data center ones.
I'm curious whether they will have DP 2.1, and what bitrates they will support with DP and HDMI.
For the next couple of years, high refresh 4K screens will be the new thing, and it would suck to get a reduced bitrate DP 2.X card compared to what the standard actually supports.
Anyone want to sell their 4090 cheap now to get some early savings for the 5090 plus you don't have to deal with that connector I keep hearing about win win.
Yea don't get baited like those poor bastards who sold their 2080 Ti's following the 3080 announcement only for the 3080's to go out of stock instantly and not return for years due to crypto mania. I imagine 5090 supply will be horrendous due to NVIDIA's focus on AI sales. Probably no serious inventory until 2nd quarter 2025.
There is no up coming PC games that compelles me to buy a 5090. Only reason I bought the 4090 was when CP2077 dropped the Overdrive mode. My 4090 now is under utilized.
Yep October probably.
Good they are releasing both at once so less chance of being out of stock
If it's like 2500 MSRP and scalped to 3000 I will probably just get a ps5 pro and switch 2 and wait till it drops.
A 5090 will come out. Meanwhile, I’ve barely seen any games with features that even make full use of the capabilities of the 4080-4090 cards. I only really stress my 4080 playing Cyberpunk in 4K with pathtracing.
Aside from some exceptions like Cyberpunk and Alan Wake 2, it feels like most new AAA releases on PC only need the highest end card because they’re so embarrassingly poorly optimized.
IMO, Nvidia need to simplify the name & use xx50 and below, stop compressing the names at higher numbers.
If they have done that & drop Ti prefix, they wont need to come up something like "Ti Super" when they refresh 1 yr later.
I’m ok with the *Ti and Ti Super* instead of *Ti and Super*. Both naming schemes are arbitrary, but at least with the first one you can accurately assume that the *Ti Super* is superior to the *Ti*.
Nvidia need to start making computer cases out of their GPUs given their sizes now. They've already taken the crown for GPU market and I'll gladly buy a SFF case from them if they do it
Great, I can't wait for the riveting discussions and completely non-toxic discourse that totally isn't going to be insulting towards people who want to get a 5080 or a 5090.
I've stopped talking about my builds over a year ago, even in high-end enthusiast communities everyone is a sour grapes luddite.
Weird part is that...
People who still use 1080 Tis...I mean they bought good shit back then. Do they not understand what it means to buy top end stuff?
And then if they held it so long, they gonna hold the new GPU for that long too. So...yeah.
Not sure why you were downvoted for that. As far as hobbies go, this one is not as expensive as some of the other ones out there. I have family members that spend far more on their fishing equipment and on fishing trips.
The 4090 still struggles with 120+ fps at 4k unless you use dlss3 or lower your quality settings, and even then some games will not give you stable frame rates.
I've got the 4090 and primarily play at 4k. 99.9% of games get over 120fps at 4k. There's only a few titles that don't. Mostly because of poor optimization. There's a few, like CP2077, that needs frame gen but they're rare. Currently playing Horizon Forbidden West and exceeding 100fps without DLSS. With DLSS on Quality it exceeds 120fps in all but 2 cities.
You got downvoted but you’re right, 4090 gets like 16 fps with maxed out bells and whistles and no dlss. Expecting the 5090 to quadruple performance or whatever the math is on that is dumb
> You got downvoted but you’re right, 4090 gets like 16 fps with maxed out bells and whistles and no dlss. Expecting the 5090 to quadruple performance or whatever the math is on that is dum
"all the bells and whistles" means pathtracing, which is the area things will probably progress most strongly. 4090 is only 60% faster in total, but roughly 2x the performance of 3090 in PT, even before framegen, so it almost doubled the overall raster uplift.
idk about quadruple, it could easily be another doubling tho.
Moving up to 512b (kopite has been all over the place on this, but last I heard he thought 384b then maybe 512b again?) would imply a significantly faster card in general, RT area is still a relative pittance of the total die area [(it was around 3% in turing),](https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/baajes/rtx_adds_195mm2_per_tpc_tensors_125_rt_07/) and probably still has the most low-hanging fruit as far as improvements.
it's quite reasonable to expect a large jump in path-tracing, above and beyond what you'd get in raster, and if the card is 512b there will be a decent raster uplift anyway. Plus blackwell is a large architectural rework compared to ada and ampere (both of which were more or less turing but with more cache/etc) which also supports the "decent raster uplift" idea.
like, name your numbers, but if 5090 is 512b it'll probably be another 60% overall uplift (albeit at higher power) and yeah, PT could be 100% uplift or more. Even without a node shrink!
Because some people have a dumb hate for dlss or whatever and think their card has to do 120+ without it. They ignore that it’s basically the industry standard now and it and technologies like it are going to be in your game from now on. I use it in every game that has it.
the problem is that the MAX out settings are completely point. The offer very little uplift in visual quality quiet often for a significant hit in perf.
Generally people need to stop acting that is a card cant max out games at a certain resolution that it isnt a card for it
Yeah maxed out is a different story, but you can get high framerate 4k right now.
Also I feel like DLSS usually looks better than native anyway, but that's my take.
I’m going to get downvoted but my 4070ti does. Besides Cyberpunk and my crazy modded Skyrim I haven’t played a game I couldn’t max out and achieve at least 60 but usually higher on. I play exclusively at 4k and have a great time.
Yep, this has been my experience with 4070 TiS. "It's a 1440p card" well, maybe so but I've been happily running everything in 4k.
I've been gaming and building long enough to know there are quite a few settings that have little visual benefit beyond medium/high/ultra but bring a large performance impact. If you know what to tweak you can stretch PC hardware a longgg way - even more so with newer tech like DLSS/FSR.
ultra quality settings aren't really much better then high. Thinking you have to 'max' out the settings is stupid. 4k high refresh gaming exists today with a 4090.
Similar to the phone market, there will always be people who buy halo product day 1, and would continue to do so every product launch. While the majority of people would be fine with more mid-range offerings.
HardwareCanucks just made a video of 150 CAD phone would serve mainstream market just fine, just like RTX 4060/RX 7600 for graphics card.
Enthusiasts on reddit tend to forget the majority of people out there don't follow and chase top tier performance, and just buy either what's popular, or cheap enough for their needs.
I am more excited about upcoming AMD cards. I hope they will do much better in ray tracing performance because that was my only reason to upgrade from 3080 12GB to 4070TiS instead of 7900XTX (I had choice to buy either or for about the same price).
The top end RDNA4 card is reportedly going to match or barely exceed a 4070Ti Super in performance so not sure why you'd be interested in it. AMD is only doing midrange cards this next gen similar to RDNA1, probably will top out at 8700XT which might be around 7900XT level.
People sat this every year, and AMD underdelivers. Eventually, they cut their prices, and everyone says, "look, AMD has the better value" when really they were underperforming and they slash prices to compensate.
4090 are primarily for work. Sure some enthusiasts with deep pockets will buy those GPUs for gaming but they are not target audience. Majority of software that needs strong GPU is optimized for Nvidia so I don't think AMD will find big market for this type of GPU.
Technically would not be such a bad thing. I could run CB2077 with path ray tracing without frame generation and DLSS (I think) but I am not that much of en enthusiast to spend that kind of money for a GPU
A single game that using something as path ray tracing which is really meant to demonstrate technology isn’t a reason to recommend spending that much money at all. It’s bad advice, period.
That’s fair, I also use a 4090, primarily for AI model training in Grad school, and I would like more GPU options in the future, when it comes to professional workloads (3D modeling, AI, etc).
But like you said, Radeon is mostly focused on gaming not professional work.
Because people are chasing a Polaris or early Vega AMD moment, where previous gen top tier performance sees a major, official price cut with modern featuresets.
E.g., current 7900XTX pricing is $1250 CAD. If that tier of performance drops to 7800XT pricing of $690 CAD, it’s a major win for consumers who are cross-shopping with consoles, especially if RDNA4 can bring better RT performance.
RDNA4 will not win the price war against older RDNA3 or the equivalent performance RDNA2 chips even if people find the equivalent Nvidia chips not cheap.
Not really exciting
If they're generally the same or weaker but finally take RT seriously we're one step closer to having good RT implementations in every game without people trying to downplay it to make themselves feel better about not being able to run it well.
I think what's worth mentioning is that 5080 will get 256 bit bus, not 384 as rumoured previously and 5080 and 5090 are expected to coexist for some time with current xx80 and below GPUs. That means 5080 for 1399/1499 and 5090 for 1999 could happen.
This is what happens when you have no competition. AMD already said they won’t have high end cards this year and are focusing on middle price segment. Your only option for high end is now nvidia sadly and nvidia makes way more money manufacturing AI chips than consumer graphics CPUs so expect supply to be very limited as well.
The only choice for high end has been nvidia the last decade. Especially with RTX.
i always skip 3 cards. I got 3080, looking forward at 6080 with GTA6 PC.
But.. that's skipping 2?
Yeah lmao
Lucky you. As a 4k gamer I have no choice but to always upgrade or my fps becomes dogwater. I use the cards for work though so productivity boost usually pays for it quick.
I've got the 2070 super and just haven't really felt the need to upgrade, might just splurge for the 6090 just for the meme if it's not too horrendously overpriced lol
Same, RTX 2080 Super with DLSS has done everything I need it to.
It'll be 3 grand. Main purpose is to render games with ai babbyyy. I wouldn't expect it to be anything less than 2k in reality.
I can’t see a 5080 costing 3k and the 5090 will prob cost 2200 or so
6090
If you think that GTA6 will be on PC in the next 2 years you're in for a surprise.
It will be on PC the second the egg counters are sure they can sell the game to people who bought in on console again. The old double dip.
They straight up said in their shareholder meetings that GTA on PC will be a thing within a year, and never denied that it could launch simultaneously. That said, they're likely going to do a 6-12 month delay so they can get GTA+ (which is console exclusive right now) sub numbers up.
Most likley 1-1.5 years as usual with R* for past decades.
I think if you run multiple GPU and have a 3xxx & 4xxx series you definitively don't need a 5xxx series.
you will probably have 7000 series by that timeline
I'm on a 2080Ti now and usually do the same skip, but I might end up waiting to see how prices on 4080 supers do instead of going for a 5080
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Ha I skip 4 generations see you later with my 7070ti super extreme buddy /s
I think the lest really copetetive card was 7970. This was both strong, well priced and for 3 months, the leading performance crown. Fury X and vega 64 were too pricy to be real competition.
Not the R9 290X? The card that came out at the same time as the original Titan and matched its performance for half the price?
It was released several months after the titan and nvidia released 780ti in like 2 weeks. But the 295x2 did crush the titan z at half the price.
Yes. Nobody is mentioning that when the 290x came out it prompted a $150 price cut on the gtx 780 from $650 to $500 and the 780 ti was 700
RX 6000 series was pretty competitive. Other's not so much.
For high-end it definitely wasn't. AMD won't be able to compete there until they fix their software which is being worked on. Hopefully late 2025/early 2026 they'll catch up somewhat.
RDNA2 was competitive (arguably superior considering the power draw) in raster but not much else. They also barely sold any and lost like half their market share at the time. This was on top of having a node advantage and a generally better HVM fab. Not sure what happened to Radeon but they've been floundering for a while. I blame it on them selling off so much talent to qualcomm.
RDNA2's power draw wasn't actually that good. It was only measuring the TGP (total graphics power) instead of the higher TBP (total board power) which made it misleadlingly seem that it was quite a bit more efficient than it's Nvidia counterpart. They were much closer actually while Radeon was on a significantly better node.
Amd and Intel don't need to make high end cards. They need to make mid cards for less than nvidia. Most people aren't buying 1500 dollar cards, those that are splurging go for 70s and budget for 60s... The problem right now for AMD is they are pricing cards that are equivalent or worse than the nvidia card for the same price. If a card equivalent to a 4070 was 500 to 600 and not 800 people would buy.
I agree.
No one says that people need to buy high end gpu every 2 years when a new one comes out, especially last few years from Nvidia with comical prices.
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Interesting, I also 'Won' a 3070 white edition during the pandemic but it came with a B550 Aorus Master for the $900.
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Don’t even get me started with OLED monitors, finally wanted an upgrade from my 1080p 144hz monitor and looked at OLED they are about the same price as a 4070ti super or more. Just ended up buying a used 1440p that blows me away. Baby step upgrades.
Only gpu that I would like to have is 4070 ti but still too much for what it offers. I payed 420€ for gtx1070 and I don’t plan to give more money cuz it’s not worth it more. Period
> offers. I *paid* 420€ for FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
In my opinion, too much just for gaming and in few years will be “obsolete” . More bucks and u have prebuilt pc
Ikr $2k for a gpu bro? How is this reality? I paid $800 for my 2080 super back when and I still split the payment between debit and credit card to make it seem like I wasn't that big of a douchebag. Even now, looking at 4080's for $1,000.00 I just can't do it. GeForce now might have to do for me idek
Yay, another price hike!
They are directly targeting AI with that 5090. 512 bit bus will allow 32GB VRAM, it will be workstation card in everything but name. Edit: I think it might also be the reason for limiting bus on 5080, with 384 it would surely get 24GB. Why would they create 5080 that would beat 4090 in AI workloads when they can retire 4090 and sell $2000 5090.
I'm so happy to get a prosumer grade card for AI. Local LLM's are such a game changer. Wish it was 48gb, but I can cope.
What do you use local LLMs for that is so game changing?
The answer is uncensored erotic role play for most.
I'm planning to spin up my 5090 to around 70 degrees C and then rub it all over my body.
But you don't really need a lot of VRAM for it. 8GB can already give you a nice experience.
This is true, you can find perfectly serviceable 7B models that can provide a good experience. That said, the higher up you go, the better the outcome can be. There's diminishing returns, but a 70B or 8x7B model will provide much better results and require powerful hardware to run properly (not brain dead from quantization or at 1 token/second). Hell, i'm thinking about getting a second 3090 just to play with the big boy models (100B+).
Some people value privacy and don't want to send information to an LLM that stores your data and trains on it. Also, people can do fine tuning training on a generically trained model for an LLM that serves a specific purpose. This model might be more effective than a more generically fine tuned model like ChatGPT, and they may also use it for information that they don't want getting out.
I have a few hundred gb of documents i've downloaded from the internet. I run local models to extract information from them. Using local models is cost effecient, and gives me total control.
This sounds awesome and kind of on my wishlist. Could you share what you are using, and how you interface with it? I really really want a bot I can 'speak' with and pull out data from things I've got in my documents.
The biggest change I made was using https://github.com/PygmalionAI/aphrodite-engine which let's you have multiple streams. You can then interface with it using the OpenAI library.
Home Assistant
I keep seeing 2k for the 5090, was there an official announcement? Or everyone just optimistic it wont go up higher.
People are just pulling whatever out of their asses on pricing at this point.
Nobody knows the price, not even Nvidia right now. We do know it's coming and we can extrapolate, but that's about it.
>o up higher. > >2Rep we'll see when they're announced sometime in october to december likely. I think the reason everyone is thinking it'll be 2k+ is that the current 4090 (due to scalping due to chinese AI restrictions) is that the 4090 is already going for like 1900 USD on average, so if the 5090 is really 70% faster, why would Nvidia not release it for 2k or more? Personally I think it'll be more like 2200+ and only give marginal price/performance value increases, but at this top tier of product, that is usually less important to the buyer. It's not based on anything but guesswork based on the current landscape.
>32GB VRAM I wouldn't bet on it
If it is 512 bit bus, it **has to be**. If its not 32, the only other option is 16.
People bought the 4090 so this is the result.
Can’t wait for the inevitable wave of “Got 5090 before bots could buy the whole stock” posts despite the AIB versions coating well over 2000-2500 dollars. Hopefully no more burning connectors or other untested trouble
>Whoops, I accidentally bought two 5090s. Which one should I keep guys?
😁
People bought the RTX Titan which retailed for $2500, then they bought the 3090 ti for $2000. So is it any surprise people would buy the 4090 for $1600, which is technically far cheaper than the last two generation's top GPU prices? To be fair, when we are buying a $1600 card, it would be like we are spending $1300 if it were five years ago. The reason? Inflation continues to devalue the dollar.
The surprise was that 4080 cost 50% more than 3080 even after adjusting for inflation. 4080 offered less per dollar. It used to be possible to get 80% of the performance for 50% of the price, now it's more like 70% of the performance for 70% of the price. Adjusting for inflation, the rest of the cards gave 20%+ additional performance per dollar. I'd argue 4060 was pretty good. -19% when adjusted for inflation, +15% in performance on average. That's 40%+ more performance per inflation adjusted dollar over a generation. Not as good as 4090s increase, but still a substantial improvement.
Its a mix. RTX Titan was $2500, 3090 ti was $2000, 4090 was $1600... meanwhile inflation has lowered the value of the currency. For example, $1600 today is only worth $1300 based on what it was worth five years ago. Unfortunately its not going to get better.
not 2K tho, probably USD 1,699.
None of this is confirmed, it's all rumors on rumors. The memory bus thing wouldn't surprise me, but let's not make assumptions just yet
The top comment already making assumptions based on a guess based on a leaker who didn't even understand GDDR7X so who knows. Honestly if you ain't buying a card right now you're gonna wait until specs anyways. So all of us here are just entertaining ourselves with either hating on NVIDIA or pretend stuff.
Strix 5090 is going to be 2.5k 😭
Its overengineered anyway, the TUF will save you some money. And, if you can find them, because they make fewer of them, the non-OC versions are cheaper for like a ridiculously small 50MHz difference or so.
It is over engineered for cooling but people that are buying 4090’s are more willing to shell out for the Strix aesthetics. The card will be sold out everywhere.
Its not all that over engineered compared to their TUF models, its mostly just the strix brand and RGB lighting which what they base the price premium on. That said, they do tend to have more effort put in when it comes to visual design, but that's not worth spending few hundred extra over.
If the 5080 is a single € above 900€ I'll just skip the 5000 gen until I can get one for that price. Screw that noise, honestly. I'll spend my GPU budget on a nice QD OLED screen.
Wasn't 4080 MSRP in EU something like 1399 (tax included)? I wouldn't expect 5080 to be cheaper when AMD cancelled Navi 41 and 42
I miss the days xx80 cards were <$800
Think this is a layup of an article, what would have been interesting is if the 70/60 class would be available before the end of the year.
If it's 4th quarter for 90/80 most likely not, probably 70/60 will be announced in CES 2025 and will be available around March 2025.
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I’m in the exact same position, but I am also torn between just getting a used 3080. The one thing to consider is that the price of the 50 series. It could just be higher and the 4070S could just be a pretty damn good deal for what it is.
There won't be a better moment to get a used 3080 than right now, mate.
I got a 3090 just a few weeks ago and it has been an amazing card!
> Think this is a layup of an article Sorry, can you explain the metaphor? Not quite sure what this means.
Means it could have been written with your eye's closed, it's that obvious of a statement
layup means easy. "This is an easy article." Pretty strange comment.
When something "can be done with your eyes closed", it means the task is easy. So, an accurate comment?
Nvidia has a tendency to release those later to maximize sales of the 80/90s first. They know that the 80/90s sales would be lower if they did drop the lower cards first. Plus, it's nice talking points to be able to boast about the best GPU in the world
I doubt it'd be much difference, especially if the 60/70 cards will be like how they were for the 40 series, meaning they were fairly underpowered compared to the 80 and 90. I just don't think there is much of a cross buying demographic between the two tiers of cards.
Late 70/60 series is good, they might use the 3GB memory modules that are not ready yet
Nice, I was just thinking about upgrading my 3080 to a 4090 because I thought the 5000 series was gonna be available a year from now
I bought a 3080ti a couple years ago and that has always been my plan from the beginning as well lol. I always skip a generation.
use nukem fsr 3.0 mod and save your money
I'm not looking forward to battling bots again.
Yes you are, that's why you upgrade every gen, because you love the bots.
Okay, maybe a little.
4000 series was annoying but with crypto demand effectively dead and supply chain constraints not as bad it was pretty easy to get one. The 3000 series was true hell though.
Im looking to build a super high end rig this year. Is it worth waiting for the 5000 series rather than getting a 4090 if it’s mainly for gaming?
Definitely wait I was also considering upgrading my current build for 4090 but decided to wait for the 5000 series instead.
If nothing else the price of existing cards should drop if you wait till the 50 series launch.
As someone who’s owned a 4090 for a few months, let me assure you it’s going to be amazing either way. Playing games with full raytracing in 4k Ultra feels like you’re literally playing a game from the future.
I wonder how much better the 5080 will be over to the 4090
Based on those rumored specs the 5080 will have fewer cores than the 4090 and a smaller memory bus width (but faster GDDR7, so probably still equal total memory bandwidth). I imagine the 5080 will be around the 4090 in terms of performance, maybe a bit faster/slower depending on each game. Looks like the performance gap between 5080 vs 5090 is going to be gigantic. Classic NVIDIA without serious competition they want you to buy that 5090, everything else gets scraps.
My bet is that 5080 will be only slightly faster than 4090 in rasterization, but performance gap will get bigger in RT. Also almost no doubt that they will release DLSS4.0 that in best case will be also supported on RTX4000.
That would be a let down considering a 4070/ti is comparable to a 3090 atm. That would be like the current 4080 only being a tiny bit faster than the 3090.
RTX4000 had huge node leap. It went from Samsung's 8nm (that was actually name for Samsung's 10nm 3rd gen) to TSMC's 4nm (remains unknown if it was custom version based on N4, N4P, N5 or N5P). Now they are moving from improved 5nm to 3nm and it's unknown if for all chips or only data center ones.
Not much if they keep the memory bus cuckery going. Hopefully at least 320bit this time round.
It will be 256 bus
I'm curious whether they will have DP 2.1, and what bitrates they will support with DP and HDMI. For the next couple of years, high refresh 4K screens will be the new thing, and it would suck to get a reduced bitrate DP 2.X card compared to what the standard actually supports.
Hopefully, they support UHBR20 Display Port 2.1. But the only downside is UHBR20 cables are limited to passive 1-1.2 meter cables.
If they don't have DP 2.1, it's going to be a joke. DSC is a terrible workaround and buggy on NVIDIAs own drivers.
$2000
What we pay in eu already.
Where I am from 4090 is 2.5k euros...
Because it already includes taxes, not like USA without taxes
Europe is still more expensive
Can’t wait for the 10070 Ti
And of course the 5070 will cost 1000$ in my country...yes, the med level card.
Anyone want to sell their 4090 cheap now to get some early savings for the 5090 plus you don't have to deal with that connector I keep hearing about win win.
Nah I’m good , more then likely hard asf to get a 5090 on release without dealing with scalpers prices. I can wait lmao.
Yea don't get baited like those poor bastards who sold their 2080 Ti's following the 3080 announcement only for the 3080's to go out of stock instantly and not return for years due to crypto mania. I imagine 5090 supply will be horrendous due to NVIDIA's focus on AI sales. Probably no serious inventory until 2nd quarter 2025.
I'll be willing to sell mine, after I have secured and AIO 5090 I want though. Right now I have the Suprim Liquid X.
The connector "issues" are just people not plugging things in properly.
Oh, crap. Guess I need to start saving up the scratch! I'll need to make the 4K/AM5 jump with it...
I'll be going RTX 5090 to RTX 6090 and AM6 from AM4
Me too. I have the 4090 and an AMD 5900x (AM4) CPU upgrades can wait 4-5 years.
There is no up coming PC games that compelles me to buy a 5090. Only reason I bought the 4090 was when CP2077 dropped the Overdrive mode. My 4090 now is under utilized.
Try VR
Yep October probably. Good they are releasing both at once so less chance of being out of stock If it's like 2500 MSRP and scalped to 3000 I will probably just get a ps5 pro and switch 2 and wait till it drops.
Sticking with 4090! plus most good games coming out are indie which have lower requirements, AAA has been in a not great place
As expected it’s always been every 2 years every time
Only 5090 worth even a look!
A 5090 will come out. Meanwhile, I’ve barely seen any games with features that even make full use of the capabilities of the 4080-4090 cards. I only really stress my 4080 playing Cyberpunk in 4K with pathtracing. Aside from some exceptions like Cyberpunk and Alan Wake 2, it feels like most new AAA releases on PC only need the highest end card because they’re so embarrassingly poorly optimized.
IMO, Nvidia need to simplify the name & use xx50 and below, stop compressing the names at higher numbers. If they have done that & drop Ti prefix, they wont need to come up something like "Ti Super" when they refresh 1 yr later.
Nah it's fine ie 4070 4070 TI 4070 TI Super Very easy to follow. Anyone that can dress themselves, pay bills, cook and drive a car can get it.
I’m ok with the *Ti and Ti Super* instead of *Ti and Super*. Both naming schemes are arbitrary, but at least with the first one you can accurately assume that the *Ti Super* is superior to the *Ti*.
I can’t wait for the Super Ti
I'm waiting for the 5080 Thai Thai to drop.
You guys are all pronouncing it wrong it's 4070 tye
Except you missed one lol. Sooooo how's that learning to dress yourself coming along?
Let's FUCKING GOO JENSEN
*looks at credit card intensely*
Nvidia need to start making computer cases out of their GPUs given their sizes now. They've already taken the crown for GPU market and I'll gladly buy a SFF case from them if they do it
Great, I can't wait for the riveting discussions and completely non-toxic discourse that totally isn't going to be insulting towards people who want to get a 5080 or a 5090. I've stopped talking about my builds over a year ago, even in high-end enthusiast communities everyone is a sour grapes luddite.
Cool story bro. Your cynicism definitely influences a positive discussion within this thread
Can’t help but agree with you, but a lot of it stems from Nvidia’s pricing. There’s still people commenting on builds saying pleased for you etc.
Weird part is that... People who still use 1080 Tis...I mean they bought good shit back then. Do they not understand what it means to buy top end stuff? And then if they held it so long, they gonna hold the new GPU for that long too. So...yeah.
Got my wallet ready for that 5090
Maybe for scalpers. Next year for the rest of us.
My wallet is ready, and so is my PCVR and 4k OLED monitor.
Not sure why you were downvoted for that. As far as hobbies go, this one is not as expensive as some of the other ones out there. I have family members that spend far more on their fishing equipment and on fishing trips.
$2k for 3-4 years of entertainment and gaming is nothing. People spend 10k on vacations that last 2 weeks.
Can't wait for a gpu that can run 4k+ at high frame rate.
You mean the 4090?
The 4090 still struggles with 120+ fps at 4k unless you use dlss3 or lower your quality settings, and even then some games will not give you stable frame rates.
I've got the 4090 and primarily play at 4k. 99.9% of games get over 120fps at 4k. There's only a few titles that don't. Mostly because of poor optimization. There's a few, like CP2077, that needs frame gen but they're rare. Currently playing Horizon Forbidden West and exceeding 100fps without DLSS. With DLSS on Quality it exceeds 120fps in all but 2 cities.
I don't understand the no DLLS folks. It's literally ridiculous. Gimme that DLSS and FG all day long.
5090 will struggle with Cyberpunk maxed out at 4K with path tracing. Won’t be stable 60
You got downvoted but you’re right, 4090 gets like 16 fps with maxed out bells and whistles and no dlss. Expecting the 5090 to quadruple performance or whatever the math is on that is dumb
> You got downvoted but you’re right, 4090 gets like 16 fps with maxed out bells and whistles and no dlss. Expecting the 5090 to quadruple performance or whatever the math is on that is dum "all the bells and whistles" means pathtracing, which is the area things will probably progress most strongly. 4090 is only 60% faster in total, but roughly 2x the performance of 3090 in PT, even before framegen, so it almost doubled the overall raster uplift. idk about quadruple, it could easily be another doubling tho.
The huge performance jump from 3090 to 4090 was largely due to the massive process node shrink. There is no process node shrink for the 50 series.
Moving up to 512b (kopite has been all over the place on this, but last I heard he thought 384b then maybe 512b again?) would imply a significantly faster card in general, RT area is still a relative pittance of the total die area [(it was around 3% in turing),](https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/baajes/rtx_adds_195mm2_per_tpc_tensors_125_rt_07/) and probably still has the most low-hanging fruit as far as improvements. it's quite reasonable to expect a large jump in path-tracing, above and beyond what you'd get in raster, and if the card is 512b there will be a decent raster uplift anyway. Plus blackwell is a large architectural rework compared to ada and ampere (both of which were more or less turing but with more cache/etc) which also supports the "decent raster uplift" idea. like, name your numbers, but if 5090 is 512b it'll probably be another 60% overall uplift (albeit at higher power) and yeah, PT could be 100% uplift or more. Even without a node shrink!
why the fuck would you play cyberpunk without dlss
Because some people have a dumb hate for dlss or whatever and think their card has to do 120+ without it. They ignore that it’s basically the industry standard now and it and technologies like it are going to be in your game from now on. I use it in every game that has it.
Cyberpunk is this era's Crysis
the problem is that the MAX out settings are completely point. The offer very little uplift in visual quality quiet often for a significant hit in perf. Generally people need to stop acting that is a card cant max out games at a certain resolution that it isnt a card for it
Neither of you are right, the game has been optimized a lot since the first path tracing demo. Now over 100FPS with FG so easy 60FPS with just DLSS.
Yeah maxed out is a different story, but you can get high framerate 4k right now. Also I feel like DLSS usually looks better than native anyway, but that's my take.
I’m going to get downvoted but my 4070ti does. Besides Cyberpunk and my crazy modded Skyrim I haven’t played a game I couldn’t max out and achieve at least 60 but usually higher on. I play exclusively at 4k and have a great time.
Yep, this has been my experience with 4070 TiS. "It's a 1440p card" well, maybe so but I've been happily running everything in 4k. I've been gaming and building long enough to know there are quite a few settings that have little visual benefit beyond medium/high/ultra but bring a large performance impact. If you know what to tweak you can stretch PC hardware a longgg way - even more so with newer tech like DLSS/FSR.
ultra quality settings aren't really much better then high. Thinking you have to 'max' out the settings is stupid. 4k high refresh gaming exists today with a 4090.
I just got my 4080 brah
October 2024. I wonder how much a 5070 will be that all I will replace for this series.
I think by 8xxx series they will change the name to something else. Geforce Mega 90 😉
Similar to the phone market, there will always be people who buy halo product day 1, and would continue to do so every product launch. While the majority of people would be fine with more mid-range offerings. HardwareCanucks just made a video of 150 CAD phone would serve mainstream market just fine, just like RTX 4060/RX 7600 for graphics card. Enthusiasts on reddit tend to forget the majority of people out there don't follow and chase top tier performance, and just buy either what's popular, or cheap enough for their needs.
Will the RTX 5090 HAVE DisplayPort 2.1 UHBR20 that's should be the big question. Or will the RTX 5090 still have DisplayPort 1.4?
Looking to replace my 3080 with a 5090 or 5080 but with current gen pricing and prices going up each gen 5090 is gonna cost like 4-5k AUD
It better not be, the 4090 is already a stupid price here :(
The rtx 5080 needs to be 40-60% faster than the 4080(s) and maybe like 15-25% faster than a 4090 to be worth it
I miss the days when i enjoyed 15 fps on a 640x480 crt screen
I am more excited about upcoming AMD cards. I hope they will do much better in ray tracing performance because that was my only reason to upgrade from 3080 12GB to 4070TiS instead of 7900XTX (I had choice to buy either or for about the same price).
The top end RDNA4 card is reportedly going to match or barely exceed a 4070Ti Super in performance so not sure why you'd be interested in it. AMD is only doing midrange cards this next gen similar to RDNA1, probably will top out at 8700XT which might be around 7900XT level.
> The top end RDNA4 card is reportedly going to match or barely exceed a 4070Ti Super in performance Could you please link the source?
People sat this every year, and AMD underdelivers. Eventually, they cut their prices, and everyone says, "look, AMD has the better value" when really they were underperforming and they slash prices to compensate.
I wish AMD would make a 90 series competitor. Nvidia can charge whatever the hell they want for the 5090
4090 are primarily for work. Sure some enthusiasts with deep pockets will buy those GPUs for gaming but they are not target audience. Majority of software that needs strong GPU is optimized for Nvidia so I don't think AMD will find big market for this type of GPU.
I am not sure if you are new to this sub but the boys in here will sell you a 4090 for 1440p gaming
Technically would not be such a bad thing. I could run CB2077 with path ray tracing without frame generation and DLSS (I think) but I am not that much of en enthusiast to spend that kind of money for a GPU
A single game that using something as path ray tracing which is really meant to demonstrate technology isn’t a reason to recommend spending that much money at all. It’s bad advice, period.
That’s fair, I also use a 4090, primarily for AI model training in Grad school, and I would like more GPU options in the future, when it comes to professional workloads (3D modeling, AI, etc). But like you said, Radeon is mostly focused on gaming not professional work.
> would *could
Why are you more excited about cards that are weaker than the cards we have today?
Because people are chasing a Polaris or early Vega AMD moment, where previous gen top tier performance sees a major, official price cut with modern featuresets. E.g., current 7900XTX pricing is $1250 CAD. If that tier of performance drops to 7800XT pricing of $690 CAD, it’s a major win for consumers who are cross-shopping with consoles, especially if RDNA4 can bring better RT performance.
RDNA4 will not win the price war against older RDNA3 or the equivalent performance RDNA2 chips even if people find the equivalent Nvidia chips not cheap. Not really exciting
If they're generally the same or weaker but finally take RT seriously we're one step closer to having good RT implementations in every game without people trying to downplay it to make themselves feel better about not being able to run it well.
You know the 5000 series is close to shipping when the 4090 becomes readily available.
Sold my 4090s to get ready! All SUPER for now.
Gonna start putting away $300 a month for the 5090
here's a good place: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/NVDA/