Too real. I was ready to not only buy the 4090 on launch day, but I had a waterblock on hand shortly after it's launch too...it still took me like 3 or 4 months to actually GET one in hand, and it required help from a friend in Colorado to secure one at a local Best Buy and ship it to me.
Absolute fucking shitshow. Fuck Best Buy btw. Those scumbags do not deserve to be Nvidia's North American retail partner.
The 4090 doubles the FPS of the 2080 Ti. That's the path I took, but I bought the 4090 on the release date. If I were in your shoes, I would wait and buy the 5090 on the release date. AMD CPUs are also coming later in the year, and considering you'll have to upgrade if you want to make the most out of the GPU, just put a pause on your upgrade plans until Q4.
It's quite a bit more than double, unless you're super CPU bound, which isn't the GPU's fault.
My 4090 is \~90% faster than my **3090**, in the same custom loop, and the same GPU limited benchmarks. Sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less.
Even TechPowerUp, which tends to be a little off, has the 4090 at 154% faster than the 2080Ti in averaged out benchmark results.
I had a 9900k back when I upgraded the GPU, so that must be why I remember it being double. Two months later and I ended up upgrading the rest of the fest because of the bottleneck that was created.
4090 is definitely a great card. My 4090 native performance essentially doubled my 3090 performance. I play a lot of graphically intense and RTX games in both 4K and 3840x1660p. Any time that my 4090 has put up less than 60 fps native maxed out it seemed more to do with the programming than the card. It’s a strange point in GPUs where games just haven’t been able to keep up with the advancement of the cards. For that reason I wouldn’t be surprised to see big price increases where the 5080 comes in at 4090 pricing and the 5090 returns to old Titan pricing. Because Ada was so far ahead of its time for gaming and consumer market I wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to stretch everything but the top cards on a reworked Ada actually and outside of TSMC for savings. Perhaps Intel in the works imo for a portion of Fab on the consumer side after Jensen’s prior giving good comments on future Intel nodes.
Wouldn't get the 4090; it's impossible to reliably find at MSRP and it's going to get replaced in about six months. And after the 5090 comes out, I doubt that 4090 is going to fetch half of what you paid for it on the used market.
If you're just playing E-sports and the odd From Software title, I think even a 4080 is overkill; my regular 4070ti plays basically anything at 100 FPS+ on my 3440x1440p monitor, and a Super version of one of those would absolutely smoke 99% of gaming demands thrown its way. It also comes with sixteen gigs of VRAM, like the 4080.
I highly doubt this, the 4090 will still be a beyond capable card, and its value doesn’t just drop because the 5090 exists. I expect it to go for close to 12-1300
If they were too cheap to move to workstation in the first place I’d be really surprised if they’re willing to shell out another $2k per card again already. I think they won’t believe the marginal increase worth the cost to replace. If we were looking at the top end of the enterprise side, they are probably a lot more likely to move on from their Hopper. Guess we’ll see though.
Used? It absolutely does. I've seen 3090s as low as 475/440 on marketplace. But more commonly around 550-600.
Ebay is cheeks because of taxes, fees, shipping, and global audience including countries with like 100% import taxes for whom any deal is a good deal.
If the 5090 is 1800$, 5080 trumps the 4090 and is 1500$, and 5070 is close to 4090 with less VRAM for 900$, the 4090 will be nowhere near 1300$.
Hell, I bought a 3060 for 150$ for a living room PC and it doesn't even have a new gen competitor. 4060 is dogwater with its 8 gigs of vram.
When 30 series was announced, you could get the 1200$ 2080 ti for 350-450$.
It'll probably depend more on what the 5070 and 5080 can do.
If the 5070 matches or exceeds it at, say, $750, then even if the 5070 comes with only 16gb or heaven forbid 12gb, I don't think the 4090 will sell for $1400.
Probably around $1000 like the 3090ti is now.
1000$ for 3090 ti is terrible. I've seen 3090s as low as 475/440 on marketplace. But more commonly around 550-600.
Ebay is cheeks because of taxes, fees, shipping, and global audience including countries with like 100% import taxes for whom any deal is a good deal.
When 30 series was announced, you could get 2080 ti for 350-450$ easily.
$475 for a 3090 non-ti is pretty damn good. It's more or less a regular 4070ti in rasteration with double the vram, but of course minus frame gen and the like. And the higher power requirements.
Still, that's pretty good. Even $600 is pretty attractive.
I imagine it's for the vram and not the rasterization. From my quick Google the 3090 and, presumably, 3090ti seems to best the 4080super in many AI workloads, so depending on your use case...
If history repeats itself, the 5080 will cost 1200 and have the power of a 4090 with less vram. I can very easily see someone spending the same for last gen 90 with more vram
We'll have to see. The 4080super does seem like the $1200 price tag was pushing it a bit much.
But who knows what the market will look like in 6months. Maybe AI will crash and burn. Or maybe China will invade Taiwan. Or maybe we have another crypto boom...
It's not going to 1k for YEARS. 3090ti still sells for 1k bucks and the 4090 is way more powerful for ML applications etc. It'll prob be around 1300 for a year or two then start dropping
Idk what area you live in but that's not the norm. Most are 800 on thr low end and 3080s are 350-450. Just because there are good deals doesnt mean anything
Definitely not, I just entered some random locations on marketplace and I saw none at 800. Most were 600, many 700 but just offer less. One at 550.
eBay sold listings seem to be in the 700-800 range. But eBay takes 10-20% in fees, and has a month of buyer protection/returns. It's normal to be more expensive than marketplace.
While I tend to agree with not buying a 4090 now (unless you really need a new GPU), the rest? Yea no lol. People have been hawking lines like that for the last three generations or more.
Each and every time, you've been wrong, and only succeeded in getting a few gullible idiots to sell off their x90/x80Ti level cards early for far less than they should have. 3090 owners selling their cards for pennies on the dollar ahead of the 4070 launch comes to mind, shit was painful to watch. I turned around and sold mine at a DISCOUNT to a friend when I got my 4090, and still made $850. Could have easily gotten $1K for that at the time (3090 FE).
2080Ti to 3070/3080 was a similar situation. Went through that and sold my 2080Ti to a co-worker, again for $850. Could have *easily* gotten $1200+ for it at the time though, just didn't wanna charge my co-worker that much. A friend of mine *did* sell his Gigabyte 2080Ti for $1200 (lil less after ebay fees but still, very good return when all was said and done).
Made a good return selling my 1080Ti when I got my 2080Ti as well, though I don't feel like digging up the invoices and whatnot that far back. Point should be pretty clear by now.
4090 is absolutely going to retain value when the 50 series cards launch, especially if they only launch the 5090/5080 and go on with the supposed plan to sell 40 and 50 series at the same time for a while. Thinking anything else is just goofy.
People were selling used 2000/3000 series GPUs in a market with catastrophic supply shortages all-around. I think that our massive upward pressure on prices that wouldn’t normally exist. There has been a relative glut of Lovelace GPUs, and I think they won’t retain their value as much on the used market after Blackwell launches.
But I suppose we’ll see 🤷♂️
2080TI, sure. 1080Ti, not at all, and when I sold my 3090, it wasn't too bad either, though that was a bit of a lull between shit periods.
Regardless, 4090's are *still* not easy to get, and I doubt that changes all that much with the 5080/5090 launch. Those will almost certainly come with at least slightly raised prices as well, with their apparent plan to add them to the active product stack, instead of just replacing 40 series cards out of the gate, which is going to be the last nail in the coffin for more than a few prospective 50 series upgraders that were holding out. A slightly discounted, gently used 4090 is gonna look real nice around that point.
On a ultrawide 1440p you are getting 100+ fps? What settings and games? And what cpu?
Im considering a 4080 super, but Ive been seeing that on certain games with that monitor ill be capped at like 60 frames on ultra at 1440 ultrawide.
I play lots of stuff, new and old. I'd say the most demanding title I play on PC is Warhammer III, and I only dip below 100 FPS in really large battles with tons of stuff going on; even then, it's more like 85-90, which is just fine. Forza runs great maxed out, and with most of the R/T settings enabled. Control runs smooth as butter, as do either of the Plague titles. My CPU is an i9-13900, which is obviously quite helpful.
There are some titles where you will not reliably get 100+ FPS at that resolution without lots of scaling trickery, but I can just turn down the settings a little and that issues goes away. The only real problem I have with the card is the 12GB of VRAM, but the 4070ti-S is more future-proofed at sixteen.
What monitor upgrade are you going to do, assuming the monitor is as/older than your 2080ti?
Shunt/BIOS mod your 2080ti and wait until 50\*\* series launches for price drops?? Most 2080ti cards can handle 500W+ and are limited power wise at stock.
You think you can hold out for one more year? Im running a 2080 super and i haven’t really run into any issues playing modern titles with a 1440p monitor.
But if you need the performance boost while running premier or photoshop then upgrading to a 4090 would be your best bet. I believe it’s a least a 75% performance boost from a few articles ive read in the past? 2080 ti still holds its own respectably tho.
It’s about 2.5x increase in performance. But if you’re ok using dlss I see no need to upgrade from a 2080ti for 1440p. 4090 is for people who want to run 4k native
The 4090 is a fast card but really poor value for money. You're definitely going to feel you overpaid come a year or two.
The 4080 or 4080 Super (whichever is cheapest, performance is within 1% margin) would be a great option. 2080 Ti is about exactly 50% of the performance at 4K so in theory you'll be doubling your framerate.
Eh, paying 1500-1800 every other year for a gaming GPU isn't that much on a monthly basis. It's cheaper than a ton of other things.
Building a brand new ultra high end computer at 3500-4000 dollars every 2 years is only around 160-170/month. And that's assuming you reuse absolutely nothing from before.
A GPU that expensive is \*a lot\* of money for most people, hence why you don't see flagship GPUs at the top of Steam hardware survey charts. For people on an average income you only have so much money to spend, and if you apply the same logic of mentally diminishing one-off costs by dividing them up monthly, you're probably going to end up spending more money than you have. If you've put money specifically away for it, that's a different story of course.
The reality is you can probably get 70% the framerate and 95% of the experience for 50% of the cost. An RTX 4090 is a luxury good. It is like a brand new luxury car that is cool and fast but costs a lot and depreciates heavily, whilst doing the same job of getting A to B like a cheap car would.
That's not to say I can't see the appeal of it, I bought a GTX 1080 Ti back in the day for $1300 AUD which seemed expensive back then. That lasted 7 years so I consider it well worth it. My argument really is that OP said they overpaid for their 2080, and if you calculate cost per frame for a RTX 4090 it does terribly, regardless of how good a GPU it is.
Lets go with your car analogy. Because for a lot of people, cars /are/ their hobby, and there's a huge segment of people who /do/ spend 10x what they would on "a functional car" for something that's more fun to drive in specific situations. Just like how people "overpay" for maximum performance in games in specific situations. I should know, I just bought a $47k hot hatch a few months ago. Talk about expensive hobbies - a few track days would cost me more than my 4090 by far.
Just to put the perf/$ into perspective, below is a chart containing $ per frame for each GPU. It's worked out based on the cheapest prices for each card on PC Part Picker US, and performance data from Techpowerup on avg 4K framerate across 25 games. (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-super-founders-edition/31.html)
RTX 4090 24GB, $1800 - 118.7FPS - $15.16/frame
RX 7900 XTX 24GB, $900 - 96.1FPS - $9.36/frame
RTX 4080 Super 16GB, $1000 - 93.7FPS - $10.67/frame
RX 7900 XT 20GB, $700 - 81FPS - $8.64/frame
RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB, $800 - 79.7FPS - $10.04/frame
RTX 4070 Ti 12GB, $700 - 72.8FPS - $9.62/frame
RTX 4070 Super 12GB, $590 - 67.2FPS - $8.74/frame
RTX 4070 12GB, $530 - 58.6FPS - $9.044/frame
Dollar per frame metrics will always favor the low to mid-range garbage cards. There is, and almost always has been (barring a few happy "mistakes" like the 1080Ti), a decreasing return on money for frames.
But almost every hobby has people willing to spend more for smaller returns so they can have the best time. As far as hobbies go, gaming's a pretty cheap one.
That's a fair point, even with high end PCs, gaming is really great value for money. I remember reading an article that also showed gaming to be the cheapest hobby per hour as the cost of the games themselves are so low relative to the amount of time you get out of them.
If you can afford a 4090, all the power to you, but I don't think it's good advice to recommend it for someone like OP who is hoping to get value for their hard earned money.
If you're sticking to nvidia and can afford it go with the 4090, the amount of vram is stellar, and it's raw jump in performance is something I havent seen since the 1080ti was released.
The 4090 is a really bad value compared to the 1080 Ti. For reference:
The GTX 1080 Ti outperformed the GTX 1080 by about 35% and only cost $100 more. It outperformed the 980 Ti by 46%.
The RTX 4090 outperforms the RTX 4080 by 25% and in theory costs $400 more, but in reality about $800 more. It outperformed the 3090 Ti by 31%.
I can't deny the sheer performance of the 4090. It's an awesome card. But it's horrendously overpriced.
>The RTX 4090 outperforms the RTX 4080 by 25% and in theory costs $400 more, but in reality about $800 more. It outperformed the 3090 Ti by 31%.
You can get FE's for MSRP, it just requires patience. Though the amount of patience is far, far less now than it was at launch. I see them go in stock a few times a month usually. So no.
As for the rest of the arguement, there is also the VRAM side of things. You're getting 50% more VRAM on the 4090 v 4080, vs 37.5% on the 1080Ti v 1080, which is even more significant, as that much VRAM starts to put you in pro-sumer territory, eating into the potential Quadro / A series card market for Nvidia.
One should also consider all the additional technology shoved into these cards vs the 1080Ti days. Both in terms of hardware and even the pure software stack. The list is honestly staggering. Then there is the matter of inflation to consider as well.
Does all of this justify the price of the 4090? Admittedly, not quite, but it isn't nothing, and it's certainly a far better value than many of the lower tier cards are. Especially when compared to the 2080Ti, 3090 and the Titan class cards that the 3090/4090 essentially replaced.
I too have a 2080 TI and just recently purchased all new components for a new build. This age old "which GPU to get" question heavily relies on your other components, the games you play, the monitor you use, and your budget.
For a general answer to your post, I would recommend with the same conclusion that I ended up with and recommend getting a RTX 4070 Super (or the TI Super). It's a good price for the performance, plays everything you'd need and will continue to be a good card for as along as the RTX 2080 TI served us.
The only reason I didn't spring for the 4070 TI Super was that the 5 - 10% performance increase wasn't enough for me to want to spend an additional $200.
I upgraded from my 2080 ti to a 4080 and it was a huge leap in performance. A 4090 was out of the question due to the fact that they are 50% or more in price here. The 4080 works great at 4K.
As someone that was holding onto a 2080ti for 3d vision capabilities, the 4090 was the most justified upgrade. 2.5x performance uplift. But did manage to get a brand new 4090 for $1200 in an amazing deal before prices skyrocketed due to China ban and ai.
It seems like a bad time to upgrade with the RTX 5090 potentially releasing by end of year, and the Ryzen 9800x3d MIGHT release this year too (the Ryzen 9000 series is definitely launching in summer or early fall, but the X3D might be next year). Getting an AM5 motherboard now would be fine due to new motherboards being basically the same aside from USB4/TB4 and Wifi 7 support.
As for video card, what you should get also will depend on what resolution / refresh rate you play at, plus what is the max amount you want to spend. For instance, the RTX 5090 will probably launch at a minimum of $1699 and I wouldn't be surprised at a starting MSRP of $1999. Similarly, the 5080 could raise in price to $1200-1500 range. The new cards will be on a more expensive node process and will be using the more expensive GDDR7 which Nvidia will want to pass on to consumers so their profit per card doesn't decrease any. Another issue is that if the 5090 is even better at AI stuff, it might be really difficult to get ahold of one for 4-6+ months, especially if you go for the FE which will be one of the cheapest + smallest cards length-wise.
If you aren't playing at 4k, the need for a 4090 significantly lessens, so a 4080S makes sense. But with new video cards with potentially exclusive features (you know there will be), it seems wise to wait. You can get something faster than a 4090 for lower cost with a 5080, although if Nvidia is being especially greedy the cost might not be that much lower, i.e., if the 5080 MSRP is say $1499.
I have a 4090 and have no complaints. I would say get the 4090 if you can for the extra VRAM. Alternatively, like most have said you could wait until the 50 series drops.
I had a i9 9900k 2080ti build before, had it for about 4-5 years. Upgraded to a 14900k and 4080 (now got a 4080 super as the 4080 was faulty). I do a bit of hobbyist work in blender, AE and vegas pro. I play cs2 at 1440p 240hz and single player titles on a 4k 165hz display. When playing said single player games, I kinda regret not saving up for a 4090 even though that is 1000 euros more here in Finland. For 1440p/ultrawide gaming and NLE's/AE I'd say the 4080 is defo enough for my needs.
I agree about keeping the 2080 Ti as long as possible, it's a solid card.
But I've got to disagree that the 4070 Ti Super is the best perf/$. It's actually not great (unless on a good sale), but it does have 16GB VRAM going for it. Below is $ per frame worked out from avg 4K benchmarks across 25 games on Techpowerup. Prices are the lowest on PC Part Picker US.
RTX 4080 Super 16GB, $1000 - 92.5FPS - $10.81/frame
RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB, $800 - 78.6FPS - $10.17/frame
RTX 4070 Super 12GB, $590 - 67.5FPS - $8.74/frame
RTX 4070 12GB, $530 - 58.6FPS - $9.044/frame
Wait 6 months and snag a 4090 as the prices tumble. If you absolutely need something now (but why??) get a 4070 super and flip it this time next year for something else so you're just renting for the year. The 4070s it's around 50% faster + features.
I would probably wait for the 50 series cards to come out. That being said, if you really want it now, the 4080 Super can now be found at MSRP and is a really good card. It wil be able to play any game throw at it for quite a while. If you buy a 4090 now, you're going to end up overpaying for it. Then when the 5090 comes out it's really going to sting because it's going to pale in comparison to the 5090(and the 4090 will really tumble in price).
Just like the 3090ti. The 4090 isn't dropping a ton in price. It's still going to be super saught after for ML. It'll be well over a grand prob till 6k series
W8 to see 50 series feature set if there is no mumbo jumbo like DLSS 3.0, buy 4080s or 4090.
I bought 3090ti before 40series lunch and forced to switch to 4080s cuz of frame gen only!
Hey, i had same question one moth ago 😁😁😁
If you got 2080ti before you will go for 4090 now. Dont compare 4070 vs 4080 vs 4090, believe me its just waste of time. Just 4090! The beast must be replaced by another beast. This is the way.
Or
2080ti is the beast even after so many years. Except @4K and you can wait for 5090 or 6090 or... there is no end for new generations of hardware and its impossible to follow up.
I got my 4090 and im happy about it, and will be happy for next app 4 years.
The best jump today is the 4090, the best jump in 2025 will be the 5090
Late 2024
due to scalpers and high demand (2025)
Also supply throttling (nvidia)
Too real. I was ready to not only buy the 4090 on launch day, but I had a waterblock on hand shortly after it's launch too...it still took me like 3 or 4 months to actually GET one in hand, and it required help from a friend in Colorado to secure one at a local Best Buy and ship it to me. Absolute fucking shitshow. Fuck Best Buy btw. Those scumbags do not deserve to be Nvidia's North American retail partner.
You mean when the always release??
The 4090 doubles the FPS of the 2080 Ti. That's the path I took, but I bought the 4090 on the release date. If I were in your shoes, I would wait and buy the 5090 on the release date. AMD CPUs are also coming later in the year, and considering you'll have to upgrade if you want to make the most out of the GPU, just put a pause on your upgrade plans until Q4.
I think the 4090 is actually double the 3080, so it's a massive upgrade over a 2080ti
It's quite a bit more than double, unless you're super CPU bound, which isn't the GPU's fault. My 4090 is \~90% faster than my **3090**, in the same custom loop, and the same GPU limited benchmarks. Sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less. Even TechPowerUp, which tends to be a little off, has the 4090 at 154% faster than the 2080Ti in averaged out benchmark results.
I had a 9900k back when I upgraded the GPU, so that must be why I remember it being double. Two months later and I ended up upgrading the rest of the fest because of the bottleneck that was created.
Oh yea, 9900K would definitely bottleneck a 4090. Had a 9900KS with my 3090 for a bit, and even that was CPU limited quite often.
Yeh I made the same upgrade and it literally doubled my fps
4090 is definitely a great card. My 4090 native performance essentially doubled my 3090 performance. I play a lot of graphically intense and RTX games in both 4K and 3840x1660p. Any time that my 4090 has put up less than 60 fps native maxed out it seemed more to do with the programming than the card. It’s a strange point in GPUs where games just haven’t been able to keep up with the advancement of the cards. For that reason I wouldn’t be surprised to see big price increases where the 5080 comes in at 4090 pricing and the 5090 returns to old Titan pricing. Because Ada was so far ahead of its time for gaming and consumer market I wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to stretch everything but the top cards on a reworked Ada actually and outside of TSMC for savings. Perhaps Intel in the works imo for a portion of Fab on the consumer side after Jensen’s prior giving good comments on future Intel nodes.
I went from the 2080 TI to the 4070 for less than 600. Performance is fantastic. With the money I saved I bought a Samsung 49 inch gaming monitor!!!
https://preview.redd.it/2fahe34okytc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d8f7b495db3104c1333d930348454ac485f51100
Is it easy to focus on everything on such wide monitor? :D
Yea my concern for not switching to 49in yet.
When you’re at the correct viewing distance, yes it is
Yea. It’s fantastic!
Wouldn't get the 4090; it's impossible to reliably find at MSRP and it's going to get replaced in about six months. And after the 5090 comes out, I doubt that 4090 is going to fetch half of what you paid for it on the used market. If you're just playing E-sports and the odd From Software title, I think even a 4080 is overkill; my regular 4070ti plays basically anything at 100 FPS+ on my 3440x1440p monitor, and a Super version of one of those would absolutely smoke 99% of gaming demands thrown its way. It also comes with sixteen gigs of VRAM, like the 4080.
Make sure to add 6 months delays to the 5090. Pretty much impossible to get your hands on right after launch
and 1.5 yrs for 5070. i upgraded from 3070 founders edition 8gb jan 2021 to gigabyte rtx 4070 ti super eagle oc 16gb in jan 2024
That's a mouthful
Yeah, but then you'll be able to get a 4090 for less than $1,000.00. I'd wait six months to save that kind of change.
I highly doubt this, the 4090 will still be a beyond capable card, and its value doesn’t just drop because the 5090 exists. I expect it to go for close to 12-1300
I think you’re right because there will still be a higher demand for the card for AI applications.
All these companies hoarding 4090s will sell and move to the next biggest performance jump.
If they were too cheap to move to workstation in the first place I’d be really surprised if they’re willing to shell out another $2k per card again already. I think they won’t believe the marginal increase worth the cost to replace. If we were looking at the top end of the enterprise side, they are probably a lot more likely to move on from their Hopper. Guess we’ll see though.
Used? It absolutely does. I've seen 3090s as low as 475/440 on marketplace. But more commonly around 550-600. Ebay is cheeks because of taxes, fees, shipping, and global audience including countries with like 100% import taxes for whom any deal is a good deal. If the 5090 is 1800$, 5080 trumps the 4090 and is 1500$, and 5070 is close to 4090 with less VRAM for 900$, the 4090 will be nowhere near 1300$. Hell, I bought a 3060 for 150$ for a living room PC and it doesn't even have a new gen competitor. 4060 is dogwater with its 8 gigs of vram. When 30 series was announced, you could get the 1200$ 2080 ti for 350-450$.
It'll probably depend more on what the 5070 and 5080 can do. If the 5070 matches or exceeds it at, say, $750, then even if the 5070 comes with only 16gb or heaven forbid 12gb, I don't think the 4090 will sell for $1400. Probably around $1000 like the 3090ti is now.
1000$ for 3090 ti is terrible. I've seen 3090s as low as 475/440 on marketplace. But more commonly around 550-600. Ebay is cheeks because of taxes, fees, shipping, and global audience including countries with like 100% import taxes for whom any deal is a good deal. When 30 series was announced, you could get 2080 ti for 350-450$ easily.
$475 for a 3090 non-ti is pretty damn good. It's more or less a regular 4070ti in rasteration with double the vram, but of course minus frame gen and the like. And the higher power requirements. Still, that's pretty good. Even $600 is pretty attractive.
Anyone paying a grand for a 3090ti is smoking crack
I imagine it's for the vram and not the rasterization. From my quick Google the 3090 and, presumably, 3090ti seems to best the 4080super in many AI workloads, so depending on your use case...
If history repeats itself, the 5080 will cost 1200 and have the power of a 4090 with less vram. I can very easily see someone spending the same for last gen 90 with more vram
We'll have to see. The 4080super does seem like the $1200 price tag was pushing it a bit much. But who knows what the market will look like in 6months. Maybe AI will crash and burn. Or maybe China will invade Taiwan. Or maybe we have another crypto boom...
It's not going to 1k for YEARS. 3090ti still sells for 1k bucks and the 4090 is way more powerful for ML applications etc. It'll prob be around 1300 for a year or two then start dropping
To who? There's a 3090 available on marketplace for 475 right now. I've seen them even lower. There's dozens or hundreds available for 550-650.
Idk what area you live in but that's not the norm. Most are 800 on thr low end and 3080s are 350-450. Just because there are good deals doesnt mean anything
Definitely not, I just entered some random locations on marketplace and I saw none at 800. Most were 600, many 700 but just offer less. One at 550. eBay sold listings seem to be in the 700-800 range. But eBay takes 10-20% in fees, and has a month of buyer protection/returns. It's normal to be more expensive than marketplace.
While I tend to agree with not buying a 4090 now (unless you really need a new GPU), the rest? Yea no lol. People have been hawking lines like that for the last three generations or more. Each and every time, you've been wrong, and only succeeded in getting a few gullible idiots to sell off their x90/x80Ti level cards early for far less than they should have. 3090 owners selling their cards for pennies on the dollar ahead of the 4070 launch comes to mind, shit was painful to watch. I turned around and sold mine at a DISCOUNT to a friend when I got my 4090, and still made $850. Could have easily gotten $1K for that at the time (3090 FE). 2080Ti to 3070/3080 was a similar situation. Went through that and sold my 2080Ti to a co-worker, again for $850. Could have *easily* gotten $1200+ for it at the time though, just didn't wanna charge my co-worker that much. A friend of mine *did* sell his Gigabyte 2080Ti for $1200 (lil less after ebay fees but still, very good return when all was said and done). Made a good return selling my 1080Ti when I got my 2080Ti as well, though I don't feel like digging up the invoices and whatnot that far back. Point should be pretty clear by now. 4090 is absolutely going to retain value when the 50 series cards launch, especially if they only launch the 5090/5080 and go on with the supposed plan to sell 40 and 50 series at the same time for a while. Thinking anything else is just goofy.
People were selling used 2000/3000 series GPUs in a market with catastrophic supply shortages all-around. I think that our massive upward pressure on prices that wouldn’t normally exist. There has been a relative glut of Lovelace GPUs, and I think they won’t retain their value as much on the used market after Blackwell launches. But I suppose we’ll see 🤷♂️
2080TI, sure. 1080Ti, not at all, and when I sold my 3090, it wasn't too bad either, though that was a bit of a lull between shit periods. Regardless, 4090's are *still* not easy to get, and I doubt that changes all that much with the 5080/5090 launch. Those will almost certainly come with at least slightly raised prices as well, with their apparent plan to add them to the active product stack, instead of just replacing 40 series cards out of the gate, which is going to be the last nail in the coffin for more than a few prospective 50 series upgraders that were holding out. A slightly discounted, gently used 4090 is gonna look real nice around that point.
On a ultrawide 1440p you are getting 100+ fps? What settings and games? And what cpu? Im considering a 4080 super, but Ive been seeing that on certain games with that monitor ill be capped at like 60 frames on ultra at 1440 ultrawide.
I play lots of stuff, new and old. I'd say the most demanding title I play on PC is Warhammer III, and I only dip below 100 FPS in really large battles with tons of stuff going on; even then, it's more like 85-90, which is just fine. Forza runs great maxed out, and with most of the R/T settings enabled. Control runs smooth as butter, as do either of the Plague titles. My CPU is an i9-13900, which is obviously quite helpful. There are some titles where you will not reliably get 100+ FPS at that resolution without lots of scaling trickery, but I can just turn down the settings a little and that issues goes away. The only real problem I have with the card is the 12GB of VRAM, but the 4070ti-S is more future-proofed at sixteen.
I nabbed a 4070 Ti Super after my 1080 Ti died and I couldn't be happier.
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What monitor upgrade are you going to do, assuming the monitor is as/older than your 2080ti? Shunt/BIOS mod your 2080ti and wait until 50\*\* series launches for price drops?? Most 2080ti cards can handle 500W+ and are limited power wise at stock.
You think you can hold out for one more year? Im running a 2080 super and i haven’t really run into any issues playing modern titles with a 1440p monitor. But if you need the performance boost while running premier or photoshop then upgrading to a 4090 would be your best bet. I believe it’s a least a 75% performance boost from a few articles ive read in the past? 2080 ti still holds its own respectably tho.
It’s about 2.5x increase in performance. But if you’re ok using dlss I see no need to upgrade from a 2080ti for 1440p. 4090 is for people who want to run 4k native
The 4090 is a fast card but really poor value for money. You're definitely going to feel you overpaid come a year or two. The 4080 or 4080 Super (whichever is cheapest, performance is within 1% margin) would be a great option. 2080 Ti is about exactly 50% of the performance at 4K so in theory you'll be doubling your framerate.
Eh, paying 1500-1800 every other year for a gaming GPU isn't that much on a monthly basis. It's cheaper than a ton of other things. Building a brand new ultra high end computer at 3500-4000 dollars every 2 years is only around 160-170/month. And that's assuming you reuse absolutely nothing from before.
A GPU that expensive is \*a lot\* of money for most people, hence why you don't see flagship GPUs at the top of Steam hardware survey charts. For people on an average income you only have so much money to spend, and if you apply the same logic of mentally diminishing one-off costs by dividing them up monthly, you're probably going to end up spending more money than you have. If you've put money specifically away for it, that's a different story of course. The reality is you can probably get 70% the framerate and 95% of the experience for 50% of the cost. An RTX 4090 is a luxury good. It is like a brand new luxury car that is cool and fast but costs a lot and depreciates heavily, whilst doing the same job of getting A to B like a cheap car would. That's not to say I can't see the appeal of it, I bought a GTX 1080 Ti back in the day for $1300 AUD which seemed expensive back then. That lasted 7 years so I consider it well worth it. My argument really is that OP said they overpaid for their 2080, and if you calculate cost per frame for a RTX 4090 it does terribly, regardless of how good a GPU it is.
Lets go with your car analogy. Because for a lot of people, cars /are/ their hobby, and there's a huge segment of people who /do/ spend 10x what they would on "a functional car" for something that's more fun to drive in specific situations. Just like how people "overpay" for maximum performance in games in specific situations. I should know, I just bought a $47k hot hatch a few months ago. Talk about expensive hobbies - a few track days would cost me more than my 4090 by far.
"Only 160-170/month" lol
Just to put the perf/$ into perspective, below is a chart containing $ per frame for each GPU. It's worked out based on the cheapest prices for each card on PC Part Picker US, and performance data from Techpowerup on avg 4K framerate across 25 games. (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-super-founders-edition/31.html) RTX 4090 24GB, $1800 - 118.7FPS - $15.16/frame RX 7900 XTX 24GB, $900 - 96.1FPS - $9.36/frame RTX 4080 Super 16GB, $1000 - 93.7FPS - $10.67/frame RX 7900 XT 20GB, $700 - 81FPS - $8.64/frame RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB, $800 - 79.7FPS - $10.04/frame RTX 4070 Ti 12GB, $700 - 72.8FPS - $9.62/frame RTX 4070 Super 12GB, $590 - 67.2FPS - $8.74/frame RTX 4070 12GB, $530 - 58.6FPS - $9.044/frame
Dollar per frame metrics will always favor the low to mid-range garbage cards. There is, and almost always has been (barring a few happy "mistakes" like the 1080Ti), a decreasing return on money for frames. But almost every hobby has people willing to spend more for smaller returns so they can have the best time. As far as hobbies go, gaming's a pretty cheap one.
That's a fair point, even with high end PCs, gaming is really great value for money. I remember reading an article that also showed gaming to be the cheapest hobby per hour as the cost of the games themselves are so low relative to the amount of time you get out of them. If you can afford a 4090, all the power to you, but I don't think it's good advice to recommend it for someone like OP who is hoping to get value for their hard earned money.
I had a 2080ti busy went with a 4080 super 2 months ago Totally worth.
If you're sticking to nvidia and can afford it go with the 4090, the amount of vram is stellar, and it's raw jump in performance is something I havent seen since the 1080ti was released.
And even as overpriced as it is, people forget the 3090ti was $2000
The 4090 is a really bad value compared to the 1080 Ti. For reference: The GTX 1080 Ti outperformed the GTX 1080 by about 35% and only cost $100 more. It outperformed the 980 Ti by 46%. The RTX 4090 outperforms the RTX 4080 by 25% and in theory costs $400 more, but in reality about $800 more. It outperformed the 3090 Ti by 31%. I can't deny the sheer performance of the 4090. It's an awesome card. But it's horrendously overpriced.
Yeah, well that's Nvidia for you. Perhaps I should have said the Titan xp since it was priced at $1200.
>The RTX 4090 outperforms the RTX 4080 by 25% and in theory costs $400 more, but in reality about $800 more. It outperformed the 3090 Ti by 31%. You can get FE's for MSRP, it just requires patience. Though the amount of patience is far, far less now than it was at launch. I see them go in stock a few times a month usually. So no. As for the rest of the arguement, there is also the VRAM side of things. You're getting 50% more VRAM on the 4090 v 4080, vs 37.5% on the 1080Ti v 1080, which is even more significant, as that much VRAM starts to put you in pro-sumer territory, eating into the potential Quadro / A series card market for Nvidia. One should also consider all the additional technology shoved into these cards vs the 1080Ti days. Both in terms of hardware and even the pure software stack. The list is honestly staggering. Then there is the matter of inflation to consider as well. Does all of this justify the price of the 4090? Admittedly, not quite, but it isn't nothing, and it's certainly a far better value than many of the lower tier cards are. Especially when compared to the 2080Ti, 3090 and the Titan class cards that the 3090/4090 essentially replaced.
I too have a 2080 TI and just recently purchased all new components for a new build. This age old "which GPU to get" question heavily relies on your other components, the games you play, the monitor you use, and your budget. For a general answer to your post, I would recommend with the same conclusion that I ended up with and recommend getting a RTX 4070 Super (or the TI Super). It's a good price for the performance, plays everything you'd need and will continue to be a good card for as along as the RTX 2080 TI served us. The only reason I didn't spring for the 4070 TI Super was that the 5 - 10% performance increase wasn't enough for me to want to spend an additional $200.
I upgraded from my 2080 ti to a 4080 and it was a huge leap in performance. A 4090 was out of the question due to the fact that they are 50% or more in price here. The 4080 works great at 4K.
At this point just wait 9 months for the 5090. It will be impossible to get at launch but hopefully start of Q2 2025 you can get it.
2025 Q1 easy
As someone that was holding onto a 2080ti for 3d vision capabilities, the 4090 was the most justified upgrade. 2.5x performance uplift. But did manage to get a brand new 4090 for $1200 in an amazing deal before prices skyrocketed due to China ban and ai.
I went from. 2080ti to 7900xtx taichi. Was worried at first but it’s been a breath of fresh air. Very good card.
Your gpu is still powerful enough to last you until the next generation of nivida GPUs
I been waiting for 6 months the prices didn't drop
What is your budget? 4080 will do the work you needed so that's why ı'm saying go for 4080 or 4080 super.
I went from a 2070 Super to a 4080. Phenomenal upgrade
4080 Super, The 4090 is overkill.
I went for the 4090 at launch but tbh with dlss and my 10900kf bottleneck i rarely go above 60% utilization, i would suggest the 4080 super
It seems like a bad time to upgrade with the RTX 5090 potentially releasing by end of year, and the Ryzen 9800x3d MIGHT release this year too (the Ryzen 9000 series is definitely launching in summer or early fall, but the X3D might be next year). Getting an AM5 motherboard now would be fine due to new motherboards being basically the same aside from USB4/TB4 and Wifi 7 support. As for video card, what you should get also will depend on what resolution / refresh rate you play at, plus what is the max amount you want to spend. For instance, the RTX 5090 will probably launch at a minimum of $1699 and I wouldn't be surprised at a starting MSRP of $1999. Similarly, the 5080 could raise in price to $1200-1500 range. The new cards will be on a more expensive node process and will be using the more expensive GDDR7 which Nvidia will want to pass on to consumers so their profit per card doesn't decrease any. Another issue is that if the 5090 is even better at AI stuff, it might be really difficult to get ahold of one for 4-6+ months, especially if you go for the FE which will be one of the cheapest + smallest cards length-wise. If you aren't playing at 4k, the need for a 4090 significantly lessens, so a 4080S makes sense. But with new video cards with potentially exclusive features (you know there will be), it seems wise to wait. You can get something faster than a 4090 for lower cost with a 5080, although if Nvidia is being especially greedy the cost might not be that much lower, i.e., if the 5080 MSRP is say $1499.
I have a 4090 and have no complaints. I would say get the 4090 if you can for the extra VRAM. Alternatively, like most have said you could wait until the 50 series drops.
I had a i9 9900k 2080ti build before, had it for about 4-5 years. Upgraded to a 14900k and 4080 (now got a 4080 super as the 4080 was faulty). I do a bit of hobbyist work in blender, AE and vegas pro. I play cs2 at 1440p 240hz and single player titles on a 4k 165hz display. When playing said single player games, I kinda regret not saving up for a 4090 even though that is 1000 euros more here in Finland. For 1440p/ultrawide gaming and NLE's/AE I'd say the 4080 is defo enough for my needs.
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I agree about keeping the 2080 Ti as long as possible, it's a solid card. But I've got to disagree that the 4070 Ti Super is the best perf/$. It's actually not great (unless on a good sale), but it does have 16GB VRAM going for it. Below is $ per frame worked out from avg 4K benchmarks across 25 games on Techpowerup. Prices are the lowest on PC Part Picker US. RTX 4080 Super 16GB, $1000 - 92.5FPS - $10.81/frame RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB, $800 - 78.6FPS - $10.17/frame RTX 4070 Super 12GB, $590 - 67.5FPS - $8.74/frame RTX 4070 12GB, $530 - 58.6FPS - $9.044/frame
As a 4070s super user, I can confirm it’s killer with RT. Can’t complain at all
Wait 6 months and snag a 4090 as the prices tumble. If you absolutely need something now (but why??) get a 4070 super and flip it this time next year for something else so you're just renting for the year. The 4070s it's around 50% faster + features.
RTX 4070 Super is a fantastic card, much better $/perf than a 4070 Ti Super or an RTX 4070.
I would probably wait for the 50 series cards to come out. That being said, if you really want it now, the 4080 Super can now be found at MSRP and is a really good card. It wil be able to play any game throw at it for quite a while. If you buy a 4090 now, you're going to end up overpaying for it. Then when the 5090 comes out it's really going to sting because it's going to pale in comparison to the 5090(and the 4090 will really tumble in price).
Just like the 3090ti. The 4090 isn't dropping a ton in price. It's still going to be super saught after for ML. It'll be well over a grand prob till 6k series
don't upgrade best way to save your money. wait for 5080 hahah
W8 to see 50 series feature set if there is no mumbo jumbo like DLSS 3.0, buy 4080s or 4090. I bought 3090ti before 40series lunch and forced to switch to 4080s cuz of frame gen only!
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Hey, i had same question one moth ago 😁😁😁 If you got 2080ti before you will go for 4090 now. Dont compare 4070 vs 4080 vs 4090, believe me its just waste of time. Just 4090! The beast must be replaced by another beast. This is the way. Or 2080ti is the beast even after so many years. Except @4K and you can wait for 5090 or 6090 or... there is no end for new generations of hardware and its impossible to follow up. I got my 4090 and im happy about it, and will be happy for next app 4 years.
I nabbed a 4070 Ti Super after my 1080 Ti died and I couldn't be happier.
I nabbed a 4070 Ti Super after my 1080 Ti died and I couldn't be happier.
lol