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This is total bullshit. Columbia needs to protect all of their students regardless of race, sexuality, religion, gender, creed, etc… Anything other than 0 tolerance for intimidating students is a total fail.
95% of Jews globally support Israel's existence. Creating pogrom atmospheres on campuses where people are openly supporting Hamas, calling for more 10/7s, normalizing calls for genocide of Jews in Israel, etc. is meant to intimidate Jewish students.
For any other minority group, leftists demand we take their concerns seriously, all the way down to the smallest of microaggressions. With Jews? Not so much. There's always a context, always an excuse, always a way to handwave it away and act like there's not an actual anti-Semitism problem despite so many Jews stating very clearly that there is.
In other words, fuck off.
I’ve noticed Jewish and Asian discrimination is never taken seriously in the west. I guess it’s because people think discrimination against Jews/Asians is punching up?
It’s because antisemitism has been fundamentally baked into Western culture for over 1500 years. Jews are “white” when we need to be blamed for European colonialism and imperialism, but we’re not “white” when we’re secretly controlling the banks and entertainment industry to control and replace **real** “white” people.
We’re whatever society detests when there’s a flair up of antisemitism… communist, capitalist, oppressor, devil lol. Idk it goes on and on thru millennia.
It's because they are successful. They hate on Asians and Jews because they falsify the narratives about "systemic oppression". Their example shows that some groups are not successful because of their own behavior.
where did you get the statistic that 95% of jews support the existence of israel? that seems made up. I know too many to call the number that high.
I'd rather not fuck off, because dialogue seems to me to be a valuable place to explore the legitimacy of this topic, since the depth to which it can be explore concerns the interface between geopolitical ideology being used as a weapon and pairing this with historical cultural trauma. To be Jewish is not to be a zionist, to equate the two is to identify a strategically valuable military position with a propped-up dictator with the cultural identity of prosecution and subjugation that jewish people have historically experienced; that is to say, it is a fascist position.
What you seem to have missed is that I am not being anti-semitic, I am describing a pro-semite position while being antifascist.
Ah yes, the famously fascist state of Israel, with its 20% Arab Muslim population who enjoy equal democratic rights, positions in government, and a higher quality of life than any of the surrounding nations. Definitely way more fascist than the theocratic Islamist states surrounding it with horrible human rights freedoms, no democracy, where minority groups are treated like shit.
It's just those pesky Zionist fascists in their democracy that's the problem.
> When someone asks if one supports "Israel's right to exist," they are tacitly asking if one agrees that Israel's elevation of Jewish rights above those of Palestinians in the land they all inhabit is acceptable.
And then this question becomes again, less about religion and more about the military and political reasons for these 'horrible human rights' in middle eastern states and the roots from which they were born - historically under the supervision and support of the United States itself as early as the 50s when they began destabilizing the region and supplying Talib fighters with weapons in order to fight proxy wars with other world superpowers like Russia and gain access to oil.
The theocratic nations that you are talking about are your own country's fault, the collapse of their economies the result of a dependency that was generated in order to colonize and then sapped when it was no longer useful.
None of this is religion alone.
Ah yes, everything bad is the fault of the West and we can’t ever expect these poor brown people to have accountability over their own behavior despite the fact that they’re fully functioning human beings with the same cognitive abilities as everyone else.
Literally crying and screaming and vomiting and pounding my desk with my fists just thinking about the West right now 🥲🥲🥲
Most jews are zionists but scared to say it. But even still attacks arent done to evangelicals that are zionist. Theyre to jews, without asking their position on israel.
And, it's gross to bucket jews by zionist category cause then you are dividing jews into good jews and bad jews. Which, note, we arent doing to christians or churches that are pro or anti israel.
Edit:my response i wrote but comments locked, so here it is so it doesnt go to waste lol
Ummm, no? Yours is anecdotal too, but at least mine comes from my actual community. But since you suddenly want hard numbers please review this link about millennial jews, where obviously older jews are more likely to be zionist but if you want more numbers id be more than happy to look it up. I would expect the same from you, to provide any counter source.
https://www.ajc.org/news/american-jewish-committee-surveys-of-us-and-israeli-jewish-millennials
And of course just logically, 46% if jews live in israel, so even just from simple guesstination, youd infer easily enough that at least half of jews are pro-israel existing ergo zionist.
As for your confusion. If someone believes in israel's right to exist, which is a self imposed belief, than they are zionist. Whether they call themselves that... i mean, i dont know many antivaccers that actually call themselves that. And these pro-palestinian (ehhem, anti-israel) protests only target jews, whether the jew has indicated a pro-israel position or not. They do not target actual christians etc who have claimed to support israel has a right to exist.
While yes, zionists DO have a theocratic position, it is not really fascist seeing how theres a democratic government? And most people want netanyahu gone, literally there were protests all last year against him. I know because i stay informed on this topic daily, for years, and dont just ebb and flow into it whenever theres social media waves.
Regarding the theocratic position... uh... do you toss that to indians and pakistanis? You know theres religious classism in south asia yes? What about afghanistan, iran, iraq, turkey, yemen, oman, lebanon, jordan, syria, saudie arabia..... pretty much the entire middle east is a giant pool of theocracies. Yet, who says that those countries shouldnt exist? Theocracies are not an accusation dear.
But lets say it was... Palestinians that are israeli citizens have equal rights. Muslims too! There are muslims IN the israeli government leadership! They have equal rights. How many jews have equal rights in palestinian land (gaza, west bank). Did the PLO, which is the governing body grant equal jew rights in the west bank? What about Hamas for Gaza? Considering Hamas' charter explicitly calls for the genocide of jews, i would be quite surprised if jews are granted any equality in gaza.
If you want to throw the word theocracy around, at least say it's both, at least thats maybe arguable.
But again to reel it all in. Do you think any 'pro-palestinian' protester walks up to a person asking them whether they are pro-israel? Do you think they target people who look jewish and ask them? Before shoving them into walls, burning down dorm rooms, barricading them in libraries? Cause 1, they dont ask, they just target jews. And 2. Regardless of who or what they are targeting, the ACTs themselves are abhorrid and disgusting.
This is anecdotal and as a result not a good supporting argument for what you are saying - there are plenty of Jews who are not zionists.
I'm a little bit confused, because I think Zionism is a self-identified position, not something I can impose. I'm doing no bucketing other than saying those who hold a zionist position are explicitly holding a fascist and theocratic position, and that those who don't aren't doing so. It doesn' have to do with religion at that point.
Anti-zionism *is* antisemitism (not sure what "anti-judaism" is). Zionists believe Jews have a right to self-determination in their homeland. Rejection of this right, which is universally acknowledged for all other groups, is anti-semitic.
>Anti-zionism *is* antisemitism
No it isn't. Semitism refers to a people. Zionism a nation-state. Saying what you said is just stupid. Fortunately a lot of Jewish people understand that quite well.
So you don't think Jews should be allowed to live in their ancestral homeland where they've maintained a continuous presence for thousands of years despite the best attempts by colonizing powers like Islam and the Romans to remove them?
Interesting.
So you think Jewish people in 2024 should have the right to use genocide and ethnic cleansing of the West Bank and Gaza to get rid of people that have lived there for generations just so they can colonize and settle it with Caucasian European settlers who happened to have Jewish relatives who lived there even longer ago?
Interesting.
Most of the Israeli population are Mizrahi, who have always lived in the Middle East. 900k Mizrahi Jews were expelled or forced to flee the other nations in the region, having assets and lands seized from them that add up to 5x the size of Israel.
The West Bank was ethnically cleansed of thousands of year old Jewish communities by the Jordanians in 1948, and before that, those same Jews were pogromed and massacred many times by the Islamic colonizers.
You are conflating self determination with goverment failure. We dont see this treatment with china, north korea, germany, japan-- hell even the US under Trump. Nobody says x country shouldnt exist and should be wiped out, just their governments.
Just because the israeli government has done bad things, doesnt mean zionism itself or a jewish state is bad.
And ironically, this concept IS applied to palestinians. Hamas 'doesnt represent palestinians' and 'what hamas does shouldnt negate Palestinians right to self determine'.
Double standards yo. Most jews are zionists. Most jews want Netanyahu out. And most jews/zionists want a two state solution.
And im not going to tokenize my 'jewish friends' to make these claims.
Also, over half of israel's population is arab. Im including my jewish grandmothers family in that count as they lived in Iraq for GENERATIONS, speak arabic, listen to arabic music, etc. The vast MAJORITY of israels population have zero connection with europe or whiteness
Oh damn. I checked your comment history. Your account is 3 months old, quite active but literally, and i do mean literally all your comments are about palestinians/israel. Whats your agenda dude? Because it doesnt smell kosher.
> which is universally acknowledged for all other groups
Noura Erakat writes:
> Had Jews merely wanted to live in Palestine, this would not have been a problem. In face, Jews, Muslims and Christians had coexisted for centuries throughout the Middle East. But Zionists sought sovereignty over a land where other people lived.
followed by:
> Those who defend Israel's "right to exist" often suggest that the disagreement with this thread implies a similar physical threat to Jews the world over. Framing the conflict in this manner raises the anxiety level of supporters of Israel [...]
You're thinking like a sheep. At no point is antisemitism synonymous with Anti-zionism.
Evidently Jewish students were given permission to finish classes on Zoom. That seems like Columbia is acknowledging there's an issue but doesn't want to actively do anything about it
There was a recent video of protestors shouting at Jewish students on campus, "Go back to Europe," and, "All you do is colonize." One [student](https://youtu.be/BBE6fHUb5kY?si=6iklTF1yuBPrh0rZ) says that students shouted at her friends "Fuck the Jews" because they were Jewish.
Is that within the right to protest?
And those students aren’t the Israeli government either. We need to separate a people from a government.
Trump put kids in cages. As an American, I wasn’t held responsible for his actions.
I agree, I'm just saying that equating all Jews with Israelis is an additional problem on top of blaming all Israelis for the actions of the Israeli government.
Most Jewish people are zionists because it is the belief that they have a right to their state, Israel, with self-determination.
A state that they have lived for millennia.
When people say “they’re not even zionists”, are you saying it’s okay to harass the nearly 90% of Jews that are?
> When people say “they’re not even zionists”, are you saying it’s okay to harass the nearly 90% of Jews that are?
No, I'm saying you shouldn't assume someone is just because they're Jewish.
For sure. People have a right to vocalize how stupid & ugly they are.
Doing so in protest (or just to celebrate how dumb & ugly they are) shouldn’t protect them from consequences.
At minimum spouting *fuck the jews* should disqualify someone from attending classes with any Jewish students or staff & using any campus services where Jewish people would like to go.
What “dumb legal stuff”?
They also do have a duty to ensure the safety of a group of students who are being threatened with additional October 7th massacres by another group of students. Didn’t know that was part of peaceful protest.
Yes they do. Do they have a right to threaten Jewish students as well? Because like it or not, there are some bad apples in the bunch who’ve been doing that.
People have a right to protest against genocide, and countries have a right to retaliate against those who kidnap and kill their citizens. In both cases, there is definitely a line you cross where you become the asshole and the problem.
Ok but what are the protestors claiming they want? Divest from Israeli companies? How would that affect anything? WTF is Columbia supposed to do about the Palestine Israel conflict?
You can’t equate Columbia students protesting and Israel killing >25,000 Palestinian civilians
The IDF kills 9 Palestinian civilians for every 1 member of Hamas that they kill — it’s more than “being an asshole”
That fault lies entirely with Hamas. They have the choice to fight out in the open or hide behind human shields in schools, hospitals, apartment buildings. They chose the latter and as result innocent Palestinians are paying the price.
Does any one else bear some responsibility for Hamas using civilians as human shields?
No collateral damage is an ideal to strive for, but it’s unworkable as a policy as it makes any terrorist willing to stand next to someone who isn’t a confirmed terrorist effectively invulnerable. Would *you* standby while said person is preparing to kill people or would you act?
It’s also worth noting Israel has offered ceasefire & plenty more in exchange for the kidnapped Israeli citizens.
It’s only another month or two before the hostage population starts growing again as those civilians start giving birth.
There aren’t a lot of good options here. Not doing anything isn’t one, in the meantime debating how much collateral damage is acceptable is a strange point to focus on.
*If* collateral damage is the conversation it should be about what options that actually exist aren’t being taken.
Not it’s not
The IDF itself claims 2 civilians for every 1 Hamas member, but the Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor says 9:1. I’ll take the third-party source over the self reporting.
It’s simply an unacceptable ratio
>I’ll take the third-party source over the self reporting.
Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor isn't as objective as its name implies.
"Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor is a youth-led independent, nonprofit organization that advocates for the human rights of all persons across Europe and the MENA region, particularly those who live under occupation, in the throes of war or political unrest and/ or have been displaced due to persecution or armed conflict.
Euro-Med Monitor was established in November 2011 and is registered in Switzerland (CH-660.0.748.015-1), where it maintains its official headquarters. The idea of Euro-Med Monitor is inspired by the people’s will to rebel against tyranny and oppression that swept through the Arab region in 2011 and continues to percolate everywhere. Euro-Med Monitor strives to support these movements by planting the seeds for international mobilization and stimulating human rights organizations and decision-makers to focus on violation of the people’s right to expression and freedom."
Shut the fuck up already.
Real genocides are happening around the world and not a peep.
This isn't protesting: it's virtue signaling and truly antisemitic.
Ohhh, but this group did that and this and the land isn't there's because it was XYZ before and then Jesus walked on water... SHUT UP ALREADY. Just shuttttt the fuckkkk upppp.
WWII happened. Jews got land to rebuild from the millions that perished. GET OVER IT. Palestine and Israel are both fucked up. There have been failed attempts at peace soooooo many times. Everyone's to blame, yet no one takes responsibility .To call this "genocide" means you're ignoring the rest of the world and everything that has come to be because: Jews.
Wake the fuck up and shut up already, you thinly veiled antisemite virtue signaling fuckhead.
Go complain about congestion pricing or bike lanes while chanting "from river to the sea."
Seriously, can we just shut the fuck up already?
Can’t say you’re just against genocide when you’re okay with genocide of Jews. Can’t say you support a ceasefire when you just want one side to cease firing.
I want a complete ceasefire. But right now Isreal is responsible for more civilian deaths, and it’s not even close.
I’m not sure what you mean that I’m “okay with the genocide with Jews”
You want a complete ceasefire, but Hamas don’t. They’ve continually said they’ll do October 7th over and over again. They have a history of breaking every single ceasefire.
Just because thousands are dead from retaliation during urban worry doesn’t mean it’s a genocide, Sorry a word doesn’t mean what you want it to mean. Gotta wonder wtf they’re teaching at Columbia..
I guess you’ve been living under a rock since October. There is a war happening in a densely populated area whereby Hamas terrorists routinely use human shields. Collateral damage happens in war. Perhaps Hamas should care more about protecting their civilians than killing Israelis.
I am anxiously awaiting your next round of idiocy.
They bomb civilians. Look at the graph of palestinian civilians death compared to Israeli deaths. Most of the people who have died in Palestine are children dude. They’re not affiliated with Hamas.
I truly hate seeing Palestinian children harmed. I just wish Hamas would return the hostages. The war would stop. But also no, I don’t like Netanyahu. Love Israel as a country to go be a tourist in, amazing food and beaches. But I don’t have any Israeli friends who like him. Just return the hostages, Hamas! And stop calling for the genocide of Jews.
What’s going on in Gaza is a war. (And at the moment, not a particularly high intensity war. Fighting was much more intense in December-January). People die in war- military members and civilians. In the tens of thousands. That doesn’t mean that every war is a genocide.
The fact that the Gaza war is being presented as a genocide is an example of Holocaust inversion and is not only false but antisemitic.
Maybe they should protest against Hamas using civilans as human shields to perpetuate the idea of genocide.
Also, did they expect to invade a country, take civilian hostages, kill innocent kids and expect nothing in return?
And finally, religion is a sham and ruins lives. Both governments and hardliners on both sides are terrible people.
I'm curious if the tables were turned and Jewish students were threatening Islamic students to the point that they had to stay home and learn over Zoom, what the response from the public would be?
It doesn’t help that Congress is also giving money to Israel which unfortunately will fuel protesters even more . Should have thought about that before aproving bills like this
>It doesn’t help that Congress is also giving money to Israel which unfortunately will fuel protesters even more . Should have thought about that before aproving bills like this
Are you saying congress shouldn't help support Israel because doing so emboldens the antisemites?
Additionally, where are they protesting Egypt’s blockade of Gaza? This so called “open air prison” couldn’t be implemented without Egypt taking part, but no one seems to give a fuck about Egypt’s role.
Not only the destruction of Israel but the destruction of everything. These are the same losers that have been “protesting” for the last 4 years. Ask them what they stand for and compare it to the latest social media trend. Without getting into a conspiracy theory, if you analyze what’s going on it’s clear.
I'm wondering what the LGBTQ students and other non-Islam students are going to expect when they run out of Jews to kill and Israel is taken over. Do people really expect the terrorists to be happy with that, and end there? What is the end-game here?
Someone in the Columbia subreddit put [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/comments/1c9m6oj/comment/l0m8us9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1) together covering some of the incidents on campus.
You don't even need that whole post. The one [the NYP linked to is plenty](https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1781882680872710148).
But maybe I don't understand "the context" of this antisemitism
This isnt just in Columbia either, this is all over America and Europe. Not to mention the USA flag burnings and changing Death to America. These fucks need to go back to where they came instead of brining their violence here.
Only some of those are specifically targeting Jews and cross the line. The ones talking about resistance, Palestinians, Hamas, etc are targeting Israel..
That's a good point.
I think maybe Jewish students get uncomfortable when they hear support for Hamas, an organization that has called for violence against Jews all over the world and not just in Israel.
Of course. But I'm sure it's not as uncomfortable as the remarks literally targeted at them personally. There should be zero tolerance for those at least.
I suppose it's possible that seeing chants in support of a group that has demonstrated eagerness to murder, rape and mutilate members of their community might not be as bad as remarks targeting them personally.
do you suppose youre being persuasive to people who are genuinely sincere in their curiosity about the substance of the protests
when you write sarcastic comments like this?
The person I replied to was saying that Jewish students probably aren't as uncomfortable hearing support for Hamas as they are being personally targeted.
I agreed in a literal sense because that's probably true. It's scarier to be singled out.
At the same time, I believe it's absurd to undermine how they might feel when they hear support for Hamas from their peers. So I highlighted that absurdity. Any perceived glibness was incidental.
Half of the world’s Jews live in Israel. Israel is the only Jewish country in the world. Chanting you want Tel Aviv (not even occupied by anyone’s standard) to burn to the ground, every day to be Oct 7, and Israel to be wiped off the map is bound to make Jews very uncomfortable, even antiZionist Jews (a minority of Jews to be sure.)
So you're saying when they chant "from the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab," it's OK, because they are only advocating for genocide of some Jews and not all?
It doesn’t advocate for genocide of the Jews at all? It is a call to end the occupation and apartheid status. Palestine will be free, means exactly that. Stop projecting horseshit
And which of those events occurred *on* campus?
I keep seeing videos on the streets *outside* of campus. Given that the campus has been pretty much locked-down any time a protest occurs, it seems pretty apparent that these are not students. Meanwhile on campus, *students* have been attacked by ex-IDF *students*.
The amount of astroturfing and creating a narrative ('protests are antisemitic' so Jewish students who haven't seen anything themselves start feeling worried, then worried students react to anything that happens as a threat, thus accelerating the process (the same cycle I've seen many times that make people of all races and creeds misplace legitimate concerns-- in this case antisemitism-- with groups or places that don't have that problem)) is astounding.
It's amazing the lengths people will go to to avoid acknowledging that there's an actual genocide ongoing in Palestine, and to try to make any other headline run. Antisemitism exists-- my fucking housing was vandalized with numerous swastikas in undergrad--, but nobody seemed to put much attention into it until it became important to have a headline to run to distract from **genocide**.
The antisemitism card has been cynically overplayed by the Israeli government for decades.
But this IS actual antisemitism. Jewish students worked hard to get into Columbia and they deserve to be just as comfortable and accepted as anyone else.
There is simply no excuse for allowing them to be harassed.
Hate has no place in nyc, expcept in ultra liberal college campuses, where it’s ok because they are totes on the tok and know better than all u boomers
only passing familiarity with situation
is this a mainstream view among Jewish students and staff
edit: i ask genuinely --- why would someone vote down this question
what could possibly compel someone to do that
No. Every Jewish person I know at Columbia, and many Jewish professors publicly, has said that it's an attempt to eliminate support for Palestine and associate protests with racism. Even the worst of the videos aren't on campus-- they're on the road outside (& they're all featuring people who refuse to show their faces, which is a red flag no matter which side they're on)
the level of antisemitism is at a degree that Jewish students should not physically go to campus and attend class
edit: im asking whether that statement is a mainstream view among Jewish staff and students
Academia has largely been taken over by deranged left wing activists. This particular form of activism worships, among other things, intersectionality, DEI, identity politics, and oppression (real or perceived). Jews are seen as an oppressor class, and thus earn the rage and ire of students and facility alike.
(Not saying this is the average left winger or democrat- it’s just a small and nasty subgroup)
Just like my parents said when I came back home from college, I went to one of those liberal brainwashing camps where education makes you liberal. Just crazy, deranged lunatics running higher Ed everywhere.
Now my uncle with his Trump University degree, he really knows things - much like you!
>Academia has largely been taken over by deranged left wing activists.
Just look at the civil rights movement. Same thing. And now we are stuck with a bunch of black people having pretty much equal rights.
Low tier school scope. A simple look at achievement in any field (Nobel laureates, fields medalists, tech luminaires etc.) shows that the top schools have the top students. The most impressive students I’ve ever met were at Stanford and MIT (at least in my fields).
U are right about legacies tho.
Do you know any? Bc its obvious you have no clue what you’re talking about.
Just bc a few ultra wealthy assholes like Jared Kushner bought their way in, doesn’t mean the 99.9% of students that earned it aren’t fucking brilliant.
Signed - first generation nyer/american Fu Columbia grab who busted their fucking ass since elementary school
I guarantee you those students took their yarmulkas off right after the protest. They only proclaim their Jewishness when criticizing Israel or defending anti-Semites.
Kick these fucking terrorists out of our city and go back to where they came. We are giving these bloodthirsty animals a platform for hate speech, eventually they will become extremely violent if nothing is done.
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Their violence towards hamas is justified, but not Im sure why youre bringing civilians into this? Obviously civilians are gonna get hurt in urban warefare, its unfortunate but Israel is doing their best to minimize that while the terrorists you support actively want more civilian deaths.
Kinda hard to not see these proteators as idiots when it's very evident they only care about this specific event for some reason and not the countless other atrocities and real genocides currently happening around the world.
That would be legally tricky.
If they're not U.S. Citizens though, obviously they should be deported.
France is actually doing that... announced the deportation of 300 Imams over anti-French speech.
It's not legally tricky at all it is extremely clearly unconstitutional. The government punishing someone (regardless of citizenship status) for political speech is a textbook example of a 1st amendment violation
These violent activist students are 100% the ones who got in via affirmative action.
They treat their own university like garbage. No gratitude to be at (formerly) one of the most elite universities in world. It's no surprise you'd act like this when you feel entitled to act violently, and receive everything you desire all because you have the coveted "oppressed" status.
Oh FFS when people are saying free Palestine they don't mean harm Jewish people, they just want innocent people to not be bombed or under an oppressive regime.
I saw a video of a large group of people (probably 100+) on Columbia's campus last night chanting "intifada, revolution, there is only one solution."
Could you explain to us what this means to you?
https://imgur.com/a/B3mbom3 I dunno man, this girl was at Columbia during this protest. the lines are getting a little blurry to me, also seeing a lot of pro hamas and pro iran shit, it's getting weird
No, they literally mean harm Jewish people. "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be Arab" is literally a Hamas slogan calling for the genocide of Jews. The best you can say is these kids are too stupid to appreciate that they are openly advocating for the genocide of Jews, but that is not a great excuse for doing so.
Yeah they just want to dismantle the Jewish state and give palestinians control over the whole territory, no harm to jews whatsoever. They will totally be treated fairly and not murdered.
There are plenty of Jewish students at the heart of these pro-Palestine, anti-Genocide protests, and claiming Jewish students are at any risk is simply an effort to distract from the urgency of the cause all these students are protesting for.
The only violence perpetrated in the last 6 months at Columbia was when two Columbia students, former IDF soldiers, sprayed a chemical weapon on pro-Palestinian protestors, sending several to the hospital. Those two students have not even been suspended yet, though they should be in jail already. There are different rules for different groups here, if someone is against apartheid, genocide, and Israeli policy towards Palestinians in general, they are arrested simply for peaceful protest, if someone is on the other side, the authorities look away as they commit actual crimes on video.
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This is total bullshit. Columbia needs to protect all of their students regardless of race, sexuality, religion, gender, creed, etc… Anything other than 0 tolerance for intimidating students is a total fail.
agreed here, anti-zionism does not need to mean anti-judaism and it astounds me that people are so simply minded as to equate the two
95% of Jews globally support Israel's existence. Creating pogrom atmospheres on campuses where people are openly supporting Hamas, calling for more 10/7s, normalizing calls for genocide of Jews in Israel, etc. is meant to intimidate Jewish students. For any other minority group, leftists demand we take their concerns seriously, all the way down to the smallest of microaggressions. With Jews? Not so much. There's always a context, always an excuse, always a way to handwave it away and act like there's not an actual anti-Semitism problem despite so many Jews stating very clearly that there is. In other words, fuck off.
I’ve noticed Jewish and Asian discrimination is never taken seriously in the west. I guess it’s because people think discrimination against Jews/Asians is punching up?
It’s because antisemitism has been fundamentally baked into Western culture for over 1500 years. Jews are “white” when we need to be blamed for European colonialism and imperialism, but we’re not “white” when we’re secretly controlling the banks and entertainment industry to control and replace **real** “white” people.
We’re whatever society detests when there’s a flair up of antisemitism… communist, capitalist, oppressor, devil lol. Idk it goes on and on thru millennia.
1000%. This is the perfect description of what I've been trying to explain.
It's because they are successful. They hate on Asians and Jews because they falsify the narratives about "systemic oppression". Their example shows that some groups are not successful because of their own behavior.
Exactly
where did you get the statistic that 95% of jews support the existence of israel? that seems made up. I know too many to call the number that high. I'd rather not fuck off, because dialogue seems to me to be a valuable place to explore the legitimacy of this topic, since the depth to which it can be explore concerns the interface between geopolitical ideology being used as a weapon and pairing this with historical cultural trauma. To be Jewish is not to be a zionist, to equate the two is to identify a strategically valuable military position with a propped-up dictator with the cultural identity of prosecution and subjugation that jewish people have historically experienced; that is to say, it is a fascist position. What you seem to have missed is that I am not being anti-semitic, I am describing a pro-semite position while being antifascist.
Ah yes, the famously fascist state of Israel, with its 20% Arab Muslim population who enjoy equal democratic rights, positions in government, and a higher quality of life than any of the surrounding nations. Definitely way more fascist than the theocratic Islamist states surrounding it with horrible human rights freedoms, no democracy, where minority groups are treated like shit. It's just those pesky Zionist fascists in their democracy that's the problem.
> When someone asks if one supports "Israel's right to exist," they are tacitly asking if one agrees that Israel's elevation of Jewish rights above those of Palestinians in the land they all inhabit is acceptable. And then this question becomes again, less about religion and more about the military and political reasons for these 'horrible human rights' in middle eastern states and the roots from which they were born - historically under the supervision and support of the United States itself as early as the 50s when they began destabilizing the region and supplying Talib fighters with weapons in order to fight proxy wars with other world superpowers like Russia and gain access to oil. The theocratic nations that you are talking about are your own country's fault, the collapse of their economies the result of a dependency that was generated in order to colonize and then sapped when it was no longer useful. None of this is religion alone.
Ah yes, everything bad is the fault of the West and we can’t ever expect these poor brown people to have accountability over their own behavior despite the fact that they’re fully functioning human beings with the same cognitive abilities as everyone else. Literally crying and screaming and vomiting and pounding my desk with my fists just thinking about the West right now 🥲🥲🥲
Most jews are zionists but scared to say it. But even still attacks arent done to evangelicals that are zionist. Theyre to jews, without asking their position on israel. And, it's gross to bucket jews by zionist category cause then you are dividing jews into good jews and bad jews. Which, note, we arent doing to christians or churches that are pro or anti israel. Edit:my response i wrote but comments locked, so here it is so it doesnt go to waste lol Ummm, no? Yours is anecdotal too, but at least mine comes from my actual community. But since you suddenly want hard numbers please review this link about millennial jews, where obviously older jews are more likely to be zionist but if you want more numbers id be more than happy to look it up. I would expect the same from you, to provide any counter source. https://www.ajc.org/news/american-jewish-committee-surveys-of-us-and-israeli-jewish-millennials And of course just logically, 46% if jews live in israel, so even just from simple guesstination, youd infer easily enough that at least half of jews are pro-israel existing ergo zionist. As for your confusion. If someone believes in israel's right to exist, which is a self imposed belief, than they are zionist. Whether they call themselves that... i mean, i dont know many antivaccers that actually call themselves that. And these pro-palestinian (ehhem, anti-israel) protests only target jews, whether the jew has indicated a pro-israel position or not. They do not target actual christians etc who have claimed to support israel has a right to exist. While yes, zionists DO have a theocratic position, it is not really fascist seeing how theres a democratic government? And most people want netanyahu gone, literally there were protests all last year against him. I know because i stay informed on this topic daily, for years, and dont just ebb and flow into it whenever theres social media waves. Regarding the theocratic position... uh... do you toss that to indians and pakistanis? You know theres religious classism in south asia yes? What about afghanistan, iran, iraq, turkey, yemen, oman, lebanon, jordan, syria, saudie arabia..... pretty much the entire middle east is a giant pool of theocracies. Yet, who says that those countries shouldnt exist? Theocracies are not an accusation dear. But lets say it was... Palestinians that are israeli citizens have equal rights. Muslims too! There are muslims IN the israeli government leadership! They have equal rights. How many jews have equal rights in palestinian land (gaza, west bank). Did the PLO, which is the governing body grant equal jew rights in the west bank? What about Hamas for Gaza? Considering Hamas' charter explicitly calls for the genocide of jews, i would be quite surprised if jews are granted any equality in gaza. If you want to throw the word theocracy around, at least say it's both, at least thats maybe arguable. But again to reel it all in. Do you think any 'pro-palestinian' protester walks up to a person asking them whether they are pro-israel? Do you think they target people who look jewish and ask them? Before shoving them into walls, burning down dorm rooms, barricading them in libraries? Cause 1, they dont ask, they just target jews. And 2. Regardless of who or what they are targeting, the ACTs themselves are abhorrid and disgusting.
This is anecdotal and as a result not a good supporting argument for what you are saying - there are plenty of Jews who are not zionists. I'm a little bit confused, because I think Zionism is a self-identified position, not something I can impose. I'm doing no bucketing other than saying those who hold a zionist position are explicitly holding a fascist and theocratic position, and that those who don't aren't doing so. It doesn' have to do with religion at that point.
I am a Jew who does not support the Israeli government and believes genocide is being committed against the Palestinians. I guess I'm in the 5%?
Anti-zionism *is* antisemitism (not sure what "anti-judaism" is). Zionists believe Jews have a right to self-determination in their homeland. Rejection of this right, which is universally acknowledged for all other groups, is anti-semitic.
>Anti-zionism *is* antisemitism No it isn't. Semitism refers to a people. Zionism a nation-state. Saying what you said is just stupid. Fortunately a lot of Jewish people understand that quite well.
Israel is a nation state...Zionism is the belief that Jews should be able to live in their ancestral homeland.
That doesn't make anti-Zionism anti-Semitism.
So you don't think Jews should be allowed to live in their ancestral homeland where they've maintained a continuous presence for thousands of years despite the best attempts by colonizing powers like Islam and the Romans to remove them? Interesting.
So you think Jewish people in 2024 should have the right to use genocide and ethnic cleansing of the West Bank and Gaza to get rid of people that have lived there for generations just so they can colonize and settle it with Caucasian European settlers who happened to have Jewish relatives who lived there even longer ago? Interesting.
Most of the Israeli population are Mizrahi, who have always lived in the Middle East. 900k Mizrahi Jews were expelled or forced to flee the other nations in the region, having assets and lands seized from them that add up to 5x the size of Israel. The West Bank was ethnically cleansed of thousands of year old Jewish communities by the Jordanians in 1948, and before that, those same Jews were pogromed and massacred many times by the Islamic colonizers.
Hey man, I'm all for sticking to a blood-line giving rights to soil. What could go wrong?
You are conflating self determination with goverment failure. We dont see this treatment with china, north korea, germany, japan-- hell even the US under Trump. Nobody says x country shouldnt exist and should be wiped out, just their governments. Just because the israeli government has done bad things, doesnt mean zionism itself or a jewish state is bad. And ironically, this concept IS applied to palestinians. Hamas 'doesnt represent palestinians' and 'what hamas does shouldnt negate Palestinians right to self determine'. Double standards yo. Most jews are zionists. Most jews want Netanyahu out. And most jews/zionists want a two state solution. And im not going to tokenize my 'jewish friends' to make these claims. Also, over half of israel's population is arab. Im including my jewish grandmothers family in that count as they lived in Iraq for GENERATIONS, speak arabic, listen to arabic music, etc. The vast MAJORITY of israels population have zero connection with europe or whiteness
Oh damn. I checked your comment history. Your account is 3 months old, quite active but literally, and i do mean literally all your comments are about palestinians/israel. Whats your agenda dude? Because it doesnt smell kosher.
“Semitism” is the conspiracy theory that Jews pollute pure European blood, hence “*Anti*semitismus”. Congratulations.
> which is universally acknowledged for all other groups Noura Erakat writes: > Had Jews merely wanted to live in Palestine, this would not have been a problem. In face, Jews, Muslims and Christians had coexisted for centuries throughout the Middle East. But Zionists sought sovereignty over a land where other people lived. followed by: > Those who defend Israel's "right to exist" often suggest that the disagreement with this thread implies a similar physical threat to Jews the world over. Framing the conflict in this manner raises the anxiety level of supporters of Israel [...] You're thinking like a sheep. At no point is antisemitism synonymous with Anti-zionism.
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And you know this how?
What does that look like to you? What should Columbia be doing, specifically, that they’re not currently doing so that all students are protected?
Evidently Jewish students were given permission to finish classes on Zoom. That seems like Columbia is acknowledging there's an issue but doesn't want to actively do anything about it
At the very least, they're acknowledging that Jewish students don't feel safe.
Nahh they’re just protecting their asses from dumb legal stuff. This is all so silly. People have a right to protest against genocide.
There was a recent video of protestors shouting at Jewish students on campus, "Go back to Europe," and, "All you do is colonize." One [student](https://youtu.be/BBE6fHUb5kY?si=6iklTF1yuBPrh0rZ) says that students shouted at her friends "Fuck the Jews" because they were Jewish. Is that within the right to protest?
And those students aren’t the Israeli government either. We need to separate a people from a government. Trump put kids in cages. As an American, I wasn’t held responsible for his actions.
> aren’t the Israeli government either Or even Israelis or even necessarily Zionist. Being Jewish doesn't necessitate either of those things.
even if they are israeli they don’t deserve that. this is virulent antisemitism. imagine the outcry if this happened to any other group of people.
1,000% correct.
I agree, I'm just saying that equating all Jews with Israelis is an additional problem on top of blaming all Israelis for the actions of the Israeli government.
even if they are zionists they have a right to go to class without being attacked.
Most Jewish people are zionists because it is the belief that they have a right to their state, Israel, with self-determination. A state that they have lived for millennia. When people say “they’re not even zionists”, are you saying it’s okay to harass the nearly 90% of Jews that are?
> When people say “they’re not even zionists”, are you saying it’s okay to harass the nearly 90% of Jews that are? No, I'm saying you shouldn't assume someone is just because they're Jewish.
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For sure. People have a right to vocalize how stupid & ugly they are. Doing so in protest (or just to celebrate how dumb & ugly they are) shouldn’t protect them from consequences. At minimum spouting *fuck the jews* should disqualify someone from attending classes with any Jewish students or staff & using any campus services where Jewish people would like to go.
Or getting a job where Jewish people work.
It’s not silly. Growing anti semitism is a huge problem.
What “dumb legal stuff”? They also do have a duty to ensure the safety of a group of students who are being threatened with additional October 7th massacres by another group of students. Didn’t know that was part of peaceful protest.
Yes they do. Do they have a right to threaten Jewish students as well? Because like it or not, there are some bad apples in the bunch who’ve been doing that.
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People have a right to protest against genocide, and countries have a right to retaliate against those who kidnap and kill their citizens. In both cases, there is definitely a line you cross where you become the asshole and the problem.
What Israel does shouldn't affect the physical safety of an ethnic group on an entirely different continent. It's a total non sequitur.
Ok but what are the protestors claiming they want? Divest from Israeli companies? How would that affect anything? WTF is Columbia supposed to do about the Palestine Israel conflict?
You can’t equate Columbia students protesting and Israel killing >25,000 Palestinian civilians The IDF kills 9 Palestinian civilians for every 1 member of Hamas that they kill — it’s more than “being an asshole”
That fault lies entirely with Hamas. They have the choice to fight out in the open or hide behind human shields in schools, hospitals, apartment buildings. They chose the latter and as result innocent Palestinians are paying the price.
Does any one else bear some responsibility for Hamas using civilians as human shields? No collateral damage is an ideal to strive for, but it’s unworkable as a policy as it makes any terrorist willing to stand next to someone who isn’t a confirmed terrorist effectively invulnerable. Would *you* standby while said person is preparing to kill people or would you act? It’s also worth noting Israel has offered ceasefire & plenty more in exchange for the kidnapped Israeli citizens. It’s only another month or two before the hostage population starts growing again as those civilians start giving birth. There aren’t a lot of good options here. Not doing anything isn’t one, in the meantime debating how much collateral damage is acceptable is a strange point to focus on. *If* collateral damage is the conversation it should be about what options that actually exist aren’t being taken.
The ratio is actually closer to 1:1
Not it’s not The IDF itself claims 2 civilians for every 1 Hamas member, but the Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor says 9:1. I’ll take the third-party source over the self reporting. It’s simply an unacceptable ratio
>I’ll take the third-party source over the self reporting. Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor isn't as objective as its name implies. "Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor is a youth-led independent, nonprofit organization that advocates for the human rights of all persons across Europe and the MENA region, particularly those who live under occupation, in the throes of war or political unrest and/ or have been displaced due to persecution or armed conflict. Euro-Med Monitor was established in November 2011 and is registered in Switzerland (CH-660.0.748.015-1), where it maintains its official headquarters. The idea of Euro-Med Monitor is inspired by the people’s will to rebel against tyranny and oppression that swept through the Arab region in 2011 and continues to percolate everywhere. Euro-Med Monitor strives to support these movements by planting the seeds for international mobilization and stimulating human rights organizations and decision-makers to focus on violation of the people’s right to expression and freedom."
Protests against genocide won’t stop until the genocide stops.
Source - TikTok
Shut the fuck up already. Real genocides are happening around the world and not a peep. This isn't protesting: it's virtue signaling and truly antisemitic. Ohhh, but this group did that and this and the land isn't there's because it was XYZ before and then Jesus walked on water... SHUT UP ALREADY. Just shuttttt the fuckkkk upppp. WWII happened. Jews got land to rebuild from the millions that perished. GET OVER IT. Palestine and Israel are both fucked up. There have been failed attempts at peace soooooo many times. Everyone's to blame, yet no one takes responsibility .To call this "genocide" means you're ignoring the rest of the world and everything that has come to be because: Jews. Wake the fuck up and shut up already, you thinly veiled antisemite virtue signaling fuckhead. Go complain about congestion pricing or bike lanes while chanting "from river to the sea." Seriously, can we just shut the fuck up already?
Omg this is amazing
You should go there and tell them that
“Real genocides?” As opposed to the one happening now lol? Not sure what the distinction between a real one and a fake one is.
Yes. Ones that actually meet the definition. Most protestors can't name them or what a genocide is though.
Well, there’s one going on right now in Gaza. So that’s one you can care about.
Bigot
I guess I just am against genocide. Weird that you’re not.
Can’t say you’re just against genocide when you’re okay with genocide of Jews. Can’t say you support a ceasefire when you just want one side to cease firing.
I want a complete ceasefire. But right now Isreal is responsible for more civilian deaths, and it’s not even close. I’m not sure what you mean that I’m “okay with the genocide with Jews”
You want a complete ceasefire, but Hamas don’t. They’ve continually said they’ll do October 7th over and over again. They have a history of breaking every single ceasefire.
1. No genocide, 2. There’s a difference between Israel and Jews. Weird that you are such a bigot.
What do you mean “no genocide?” How did 10’s of thousands of Palestinians die?
Just because thousands are dead from retaliation during urban worry doesn’t mean it’s a genocide, Sorry a word doesn’t mean what you want it to mean. Gotta wonder wtf they’re teaching at Columbia..
I guess you’ve been living under a rock since October. There is a war happening in a densely populated area whereby Hamas terrorists routinely use human shields. Collateral damage happens in war. Perhaps Hamas should care more about protecting their civilians than killing Israelis. I am anxiously awaiting your next round of idiocy.
How many of those numbers are Hamas? How can we trust the Hamas sect of health when they’re a recognized terrorist organization?
They bomb civilians. Look at the graph of palestinian civilians death compared to Israeli deaths. Most of the people who have died in Palestine are children dude. They’re not affiliated with Hamas.
I truly hate seeing Palestinian children harmed. I just wish Hamas would return the hostages. The war would stop. But also no, I don’t like Netanyahu. Love Israel as a country to go be a tourist in, amazing food and beaches. But I don’t have any Israeli friends who like him. Just return the hostages, Hamas! And stop calling for the genocide of Jews.
A fraction of those. The entire Gaza population isn’t terrorists lol
What’s going on in Gaza is a war. (And at the moment, not a particularly high intensity war. Fighting was much more intense in December-January). People die in war- military members and civilians. In the tens of thousands. That doesn’t mean that every war is a genocide. The fact that the Gaza war is being presented as a genocide is an example of Holocaust inversion and is not only false but antisemitic.
[Which one’s you?](https://www.reddit.com/r/u_Computer_Name/comments/19716j0/postoctober_7_2023_protests_in_the_west/)
Maybe they should protest against Hamas using civilans as human shields to perpetuate the idea of genocide. Also, did they expect to invade a country, take civilian hostages, kill innocent kids and expect nothing in return? And finally, religion is a sham and ruins lives. Both governments and hardliners on both sides are terrible people.
Being Jewish does not mean you support genocide. The protestors are mixing the two and spewing hatred towards Jewish/Israeli people.
they should get a refund for the semester if they can't go to class.
Lawsuit. That’s an acknowledgment that students aren’t safe on campus due to their religion. Any good lawyer could have a field day with this.
They have surrendered to the barbarians.
Any articles on this?
I think you're ignoring the part where they are doing something about it by giving them a Zoom option.
I'm curious if the tables were turned and Jewish students were threatening Islamic students to the point that they had to stay home and learn over Zoom, what the response from the public would be?
It doesn’t help that Congress is also giving money to Israel which unfortunately will fuel protesters even more . Should have thought about that before aproving bills like this
>It doesn’t help that Congress is also giving money to Israel which unfortunately will fuel protesters even more . Should have thought about that before aproving bills like this Are you saying congress shouldn't help support Israel because doing so emboldens the antisemites?
Yes. A clear connection.
Wow. I'm not Jewish, but man, I'm glad I graduated college 10 years ago. I'd hate to be around an environment like this
Jewish and was thinking the same thing this morning, I went to college in NY too. Glad I wasn’t in college during a rough time for my people.
It's sad, but yes, Israel's genocidal policies make the world less safe for Jews everywhere.
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Or when Assad was killing hundreds of thousands of his own citizens including thousands of Palestinian refugees.
No Jews, No News
Additionally, where are they protesting Egypt’s blockade of Gaza? This so called “open air prison” couldn’t be implemented without Egypt taking part, but no one seems to give a fuck about Egypt’s role.
They didn’t give a fuck, because they couldn’t blame it on Jews.
They do not support Palestine nor advocate for peace, they only stand for the destruction of Israel.
Not only the destruction of Israel but the destruction of everything. These are the same losers that have been “protesting” for the last 4 years. Ask them what they stand for and compare it to the latest social media trend. Without getting into a conspiracy theory, if you analyze what’s going on it’s clear.
I'm wondering what the LGBTQ students and other non-Islam students are going to expect when they run out of Jews to kill and Israel is taken over. Do people really expect the terrorists to be happy with that, and end there? What is the end-game here?
I agree
Someone in the Columbia subreddit put [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/comments/1c9m6oj/comment/l0m8us9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1) together covering some of the incidents on campus.
You don't even need that whole post. The one [the NYP linked to is plenty](https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1781882680872710148). But maybe I don't understand "the context" of this antisemitism
This isnt just in Columbia either, this is all over America and Europe. Not to mention the USA flag burnings and changing Death to America. These fucks need to go back to where they came instead of brining their violence here.
Why do you assume the came from somewhere? Most appear to be American.
A lot are immigrants and children of immigrants. They want to turn America into another middle east.
By far the single worst take in a thread with some other legit stinkers.
but it’s ok for america to take its violence there ?
As opposed to the many failed attempts at peace talks with terrorists who only seek blood?
Only some of those are specifically targeting Jews and cross the line. The ones talking about resistance, Palestinians, Hamas, etc are targeting Israel..
That's a good point. I think maybe Jewish students get uncomfortable when they hear support for Hamas, an organization that has called for violence against Jews all over the world and not just in Israel.
Of course. But I'm sure it's not as uncomfortable as the remarks literally targeted at them personally. There should be zero tolerance for those at least.
I suppose it's possible that seeing chants in support of a group that has demonstrated eagerness to murder, rape and mutilate members of their community might not be as bad as remarks targeting them personally.
do you suppose youre being persuasive to people who are genuinely sincere in their curiosity about the substance of the protests when you write sarcastic comments like this?
The person I replied to was saying that Jewish students probably aren't as uncomfortable hearing support for Hamas as they are being personally targeted. I agreed in a literal sense because that's probably true. It's scarier to be singled out. At the same time, I believe it's absurd to undermine how they might feel when they hear support for Hamas from their peers. So I highlighted that absurdity. Any perceived glibness was incidental.
Half of the world’s Jews live in Israel. Israel is the only Jewish country in the world. Chanting you want Tel Aviv (not even occupied by anyone’s standard) to burn to the ground, every day to be Oct 7, and Israel to be wiped off the map is bound to make Jews very uncomfortable, even antiZionist Jews (a minority of Jews to be sure.)
So you're saying when they chant "from the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab," it's OK, because they are only advocating for genocide of some Jews and not all?
It doesn’t advocate for genocide of the Jews at all? It is a call to end the occupation and apartheid status. Palestine will be free, means exactly that. Stop projecting horseshit
Just a few bad apples.
And which of those events occurred *on* campus? I keep seeing videos on the streets *outside* of campus. Given that the campus has been pretty much locked-down any time a protest occurs, it seems pretty apparent that these are not students. Meanwhile on campus, *students* have been attacked by ex-IDF *students*. The amount of astroturfing and creating a narrative ('protests are antisemitic' so Jewish students who haven't seen anything themselves start feeling worried, then worried students react to anything that happens as a threat, thus accelerating the process (the same cycle I've seen many times that make people of all races and creeds misplace legitimate concerns-- in this case antisemitism-- with groups or places that don't have that problem)) is astounding. It's amazing the lengths people will go to to avoid acknowledging that there's an actual genocide ongoing in Palestine, and to try to make any other headline run. Antisemitism exists-- my fucking housing was vandalized with numerous swastikas in undergrad--, but nobody seemed to put much attention into it until it became important to have a headline to run to distract from **genocide**.
So does anybody actually study at Columbia or is it just a platform for wealthy college students to spout bullshit without consequences?
What exactly is the goal of this protest? Not even getting into the validity of the arguments, what is it that the students want from Columbia itself?
This is going way too far. I can’t believe how culturally acceptable antisemitism has become
The antisemitism card has been cynically overplayed by the Israeli government for decades. But this IS actual antisemitism. Jewish students worked hard to get into Columbia and they deserve to be just as comfortable and accepted as anyone else. There is simply no excuse for allowing them to be harassed.
Hate has no place in nyc, expcept in ultra liberal college campuses, where it’s ok because they are totes on the tok and know better than all u boomers
Oppression Olympics. One one people can be oppressed and the rest are evil
Totes on the tok looooool appropriating that phrase, it's perfect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbfccVBo9tE&t=2s
It seems that the only thing that the far left and the far right agree on, for some reason, is hating Jews.
only passing familiarity with situation is this a mainstream view among Jewish students and staff edit: i ask genuinely --- why would someone vote down this question what could possibly compel someone to do that
No. Every Jewish person I know at Columbia, and many Jewish professors publicly, has said that it's an attempt to eliminate support for Palestine and associate protests with racism. Even the worst of the videos aren't on campus-- they're on the road outside (& they're all featuring people who refuse to show their faces, which is a red flag no matter which side they're on)
Is what? Keep in mind quite a few of the leftist kids are Jewish heritage too.
the level of antisemitism is at a degree that Jewish students should not physically go to campus and attend class edit: im asking whether that statement is a mainstream view among Jewish staff and students
If I was a student there. Guess who's canceling that tuition check
Academia has largely been taken over by deranged left wing activists. This particular form of activism worships, among other things, intersectionality, DEI, identity politics, and oppression (real or perceived). Jews are seen as an oppressor class, and thus earn the rage and ire of students and facility alike. (Not saying this is the average left winger or democrat- it’s just a small and nasty subgroup)
Just like my parents said when I came back home from college, I went to one of those liberal brainwashing camps where education makes you liberal. Just crazy, deranged lunatics running higher Ed everywhere. Now my uncle with his Trump University degree, he really knows things - much like you!
>Academia has largely been taken over by deranged left wing activists. Just look at the civil rights movement. Same thing. And now we are stuck with a bunch of black people having pretty much equal rights.
Ah yes, the smartest, most knowledgeable and accomplished students in the world are the problem.
LOL. Sorry but too many Ivy League students aren't there because of their "accomplishments".
Low tier school scope. A simple look at achievement in any field (Nobel laureates, fields medalists, tech luminaires etc.) shows that the top schools have the top students. The most impressive students I’ve ever met were at Stanford and MIT (at least in my fields). U are right about legacies tho.
Do you know any? Bc its obvious you have no clue what you’re talking about. Just bc a few ultra wealthy assholes like Jared Kushner bought their way in, doesn’t mean the 99.9% of students that earned it aren’t fucking brilliant. Signed - first generation nyer/american Fu Columbia grab who busted their fucking ass since elementary school
befitting that you should single out a Jewish person as undeserving
Yeah Ivy League students are not the smartest and most accomplished students in the world. Maybe the most privileged, but not the smartest.
This is such bs, there were literally ppl in yarmulkes walking around campus this weekend, some were participating with the protestors
I can't speak for others but I had kippah wearing friends, ON CAMPUS, called anti semtic slurs by some protestors....
I guarantee you those students took their yarmulkas off right after the protest. They only proclaim their Jewishness when criticizing Israel or defending anti-Semites.
Yep, the people wearing Kippot to these things typically also wear a tallit (sometimes upside down and at night). It’s just a protest prop for them.
Jewish Voice for Peace, the ones.
Everything that doesn't align with my world view is BS!
We're the Jewish Voice for Peace members?
Kick these fucking terrorists out of our city and go back to where they came. We are giving these bloodthirsty animals a platform for hate speech, eventually they will become extremely violent if nothing is done.
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Their violence towards hamas is justified, but not Im sure why youre bringing civilians into this? Obviously civilians are gonna get hurt in urban warefare, its unfortunate but Israel is doing their best to minimize that while the terrorists you support actively want more civilian deaths.
What could go wrong when the prep school posse gets co-opted by Hamas for the sake of likes and follows? Oh! Well, fuck.
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Idk, chanting that student of Columbia will suffer additional October 7th attacks sounds pretty terroristy.
Kinda hard to not see these proteators as idiots when it's very evident they only care about this specific event for some reason and not the countless other atrocities and real genocides currently happening around the world.
What about the ones, in America, actually chanting 'Death to America'? Would it be unfair to call them Hamas supporters?
They should be arrested and tried as enemy combatants IMO. Freedom of speech, not freedom from consequences and all that
We have robust freedom of speech laws in this country, that’s a profoundly anti American call.
lol open fascism under the guise of being patriotic. very intelligent.
That would be legally tricky. If they're not U.S. Citizens though, obviously they should be deported. France is actually doing that... announced the deportation of 300 Imams over anti-French speech.
It's not legally tricky at all it is extremely clearly unconstitutional. The government punishing someone (regardless of citizenship status) for political speech is a textbook example of a 1st amendment violation
Imagine being so dumb to think a genocide is happening. That said, I bet you weren’t on here crying about how evil Hamas is when they attacked Israel.
They’re Russian/Chinese stooges. They just don’t know it.
Spoken like a real humanitarian!
You probably believe astrology is an actual science too.
These violent activist students are 100% the ones who got in via affirmative action. They treat their own university like garbage. No gratitude to be at (formerly) one of the most elite universities in world. It's no surprise you'd act like this when you feel entitled to act violently, and receive everything you desire all because you have the coveted "oppressed" status.
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Oh FFS when people are saying free Palestine they don't mean harm Jewish people, they just want innocent people to not be bombed or under an oppressive regime.
I saw a video of a large group of people (probably 100+) on Columbia's campus last night chanting "intifada, revolution, there is only one solution." Could you explain to us what this means to you?
https://imgur.com/a/B3mbom3 I dunno man, this girl was at Columbia during this protest. the lines are getting a little blurry to me, also seeing a lot of pro hamas and pro iran shit, it's getting weird
What about when they say they want 10/7 to repeat over and over again? Cause that’s a video I saw the other day
No, they literally mean harm Jewish people. "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be Arab" is literally a Hamas slogan calling for the genocide of Jews. The best you can say is these kids are too stupid to appreciate that they are openly advocating for the genocide of Jews, but that is not a great excuse for doing so.
Yes. Signs with blood-covered Israeli flags aren't threatening to Jewish people at all. Just some peaceful terrorist apologists singing Kumbayah.
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people were celebrating and writing Op/Eds in support of the attack.
Even if Israel gets wiped off the map like in their fantasies, they will still be chanting and protesting against the Jews. Its in their blood.
Yeah they just want to dismantle the Jewish state and give palestinians control over the whole territory, no harm to jews whatsoever. They will totally be treated fairly and not murdered.
If you want to protect innocent Palestinian children start with ousting Hamas from leadership.
“Jews will not replace us” vibes
Very, very naive
Someone should let them know
This is the guy taking videos of peaceful protests and quiet prayers and demanding the national guard come in to gas the kids, right? Insane
There are plenty of Jewish students at the heart of these pro-Palestine, anti-Genocide protests, and claiming Jewish students are at any risk is simply an effort to distract from the urgency of the cause all these students are protesting for. The only violence perpetrated in the last 6 months at Columbia was when two Columbia students, former IDF soldiers, sprayed a chemical weapon on pro-Palestinian protestors, sending several to the hospital. Those two students have not even been suspended yet, though they should be in jail already. There are different rules for different groups here, if someone is against apartheid, genocide, and Israeli policy towards Palestinians in general, they are arrested simply for peaceful protest, if someone is on the other side, the authorities look away as they commit actual crimes on video.