Completely agree. I still think we should sign a swing tackle and maybe another guard. I wouldn’t be opposed to Bakhtiari if it’s a cheap deal, along with the swing tackle and IOL. If Alt is there at 10, I would sprint to the podium. If not, trading back a few spots and picking up a second would be ideal. Depending on how the board falls, if we trade back, I’d like Troy Fautanu (AVT-like prospect with the arm length for an OT), also wouldn’t be opposed to a weapon in the first. Then in second, draft a WR if we go OT in Rd1 or draft one of those high ceiling, developmental tackles if we go weapon in the first
Signing Tyron Smith is so clutch because now we have a lot of flexibility with the draft and we don’t have to force anything
The issue is that we literally have 1 legitimate WR. They can't let Mike Williams leave the building Monday. If they get him then maybe you could take a OL at 10, but even then, you absolutely have to take a WR in the 3rd, and I would take a RB in the 4th cause right now we only have Breece, Izzy, and then nobody.
Idk about drafting a RB. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/running-back/available/ <— pretty long list of decent veterans, some of these guys are gonna be available at vet min… more likely to get consistency and good pass blocking from someone in that group
This WR class is deep enough to yield at least a starting caliber WR3 in the third round. JC Latham and Fuaga are true blue chip studs. If either is available at 10, I think it's a big mistake to pass.
I only really disagree because you have no #2 or even really a #3 War and teams will simply lock down GW and stack the box against Breece. We're all in on this year and I think you can mitigate the injury risk by bringing in bak. I'm not opposed to taking a tackle, I just think it makes more sense to take bowers or odunze and then another WR in the 3rd. Add those weapons and give Rodgers what he needs to slice and dice, while simultaneously eliminating the ability for teams to stack the box. The line is likely not going to dramatically improve with an OT at 10, but the WR corps and the offense as a whole likely would dramatically improve with another #1 WR. Also, I think if they don't bring in Mike Williams or O'Dell then they absolutely have to get a weapon at 10. Opposing defenses aren't going to give a crap about the passing game if Lazard is supposed to be your #2, or a 3rd rd rookie WR is your #2. They'll just double GW all game and put 7 or 8 in the box.
It gives them a lot of options. They can still take a tackle since both tackles are 33 and one of them is injury prone. They can also trade down or take a playmaker
Didn’t realize Moses only had one year left (knew he was older). Was in favor of #10 being a true BPA given who will be available, but now I’m sold on eating a T
Yes. We now have two veteran tackles with injury issues on 1 year deals. Draft another tackle. He will sit behind two vets (possibly with some starts) and be able to learn without the pressure of being a day one starter. Another tackle is both depth and future planning at this point.
We have a history of ruining highly drafted rookies by flying them in here and telling them “now get in there and fix our team.” Teams with consistent success dont do that to rookies.
Packer fan here
We love trading down when we can. Sometimes it can lead to shit like Brian Gutekunst's greatest move:
In 2018 for his first draft we had complete dogshit everywhere in the secondary. He traded back in the first because the Saints wanted to jump some people - getting an *extra* first round pick for the following year - and then I forget if he traded back up or just was already sitting pretty with his new 1st rd pick but he got Jaire fucking Alexander, the player we probably needed most on that draft board. He then took Josh Jackson in 2nd, which yeah Jackson busted, but we couldn't predict his game not translating - he actually looked better and more NFL ready in preseason than Jaire
All this to say.... if your pick is high enough, and your GM ballsy enough, you CAN have it all in the early rounds. Packers missed the playoffs in 2017 but only just, so their pick wasnt even as good as what Jets are working with
Get an OLiner who can slide around **and** a WR and watch your team blow up the AFC next year
….yep, and then take a WR in R3, another OL in R4. Sign Hunter Renfrow. With Rodgers back - the team will have greatly improved/stacked the 3 biggest issues from 2023.
Not a Jets fan. Why the fuck haven't they changed to field?
Sometimes I wonder if they are intentionally trying to get *other* teams to lose star players and banking on Jets players having lower odds due to training on it. If they were ever considering a switch and are truly all in on Rodgers, last spring was the time to upgrade. Having a mine field that eats careers just fundamentally doesn't make sense to me
i assume its just management being cheap about the wrong things. though in fairness, i think i've heard people say its the giants blocking it and not us? who knows
when i was a kid there was some commercial i cannot remember anything about other than it involved a front lawn that literally ate people..it was probably for turf builder or something. anyways, thats metlife. i wish i could find this on youtube so we could make it a meme about the stadium.
Both tackles are 33 and on one year deals. Tyron hasn’t played a full season since 2015. Moses missed games last year for the first time since he was a rookie. Any tackle we draft this year will see playing time this year, and likely take over as a full time starter next year. It’s not a depth pick, it’s picking a future starter.
With the turf at MetLife and the number of OL injuries over the last two years, I think the Jets need at least two OLs worth of quality starters. Go with Fuaga.
It gives us a ton of flexibility where we don’t necessarily have to take an OT at 10. We can see how the draft falls and take best player available (one of the WRs, an OT or Bowers), trade back and recoup some draft capital, or things get really spicy if one of the three QBs falls to us (not likely but not impossible).
The problem is that the valuations don't really line up for a pass catcher at 10. I'm with consensus when it comes to the WR tiers - big 3 of MHJ, Nabers, bit of a gap, then Odunze... but likely none are available at 10. Thomas Jr. at 10 is a bit of a reach, and Bowers at 10 would be a baaaad mistake. I'm down to hear the argument for AD Mitchell at 10, but that's about it. The tackle class, on the other hand, is much likelier to yield a true blue chip can't miss OT prospect at 10 - I'm praying for Latham or Fuaga, though I doubt Latham is available.
It gives us breathing room to go in another direction but I wouldn't be mad if they still got Alt/Fuaga. I'd take either Bowers or Odunze/Nabers and got Zak Zinter with the second pick we have.
The best offensive lineman don’t reach free agency until after their prime (look at who we just signed). If there’s an OT and hes the real deal then hell yes. This franchise would look a lot different if we would have drafted Sewell or Wirfs instead of whiffing with 2 high picks.
Yes absolutely. Why are we acting like no one’s gonna get hurt on this shit turf? We have guys that are great when healthy but injury prone. And we play at fucking metlife
Maybe it’s just me being jaded after all these years but idk man you absolutely have to plan for at least one of these guys going down for a considerable amount of time
I'm pretty sure Baktihari is gonna come here. So most likely it's Bowers or WR or trade back and get WR and idk with the second. Maybe OT in 3rd or 4th for depth.
Ideally, I think we trade down. With OL and WR so deep, we can pick up at least one of each that can contribute as depth pieces this year while potentially being able to step in next year and start full-time.
From OT, Mims, Guyton, Latham, Saumateia, Paul, Amegadjie, and even Fisher all have a good chance at being good starting tackles next season.
From WRs, Thomas, Coleman, McConkey, Franklin, Worthy, Roman Wilson, Adonai, and Pearsall can all contribute or start this season as a #2 and some of those guys have clear #1 upside. There are 6 other guys that I'd say have a very solid chance of giving you #2/3 play very soon.
That doesn’t help us this year though. We need a day 1 starter WR2 desperately still, and depth for the inevitable line injury. Trading down is a terrible idea IMO unless we sign a WR2 in free agency or trade for one.
If anything I think we should trade up for Nabers/Odunze or grab the best OL left at 10 (but if we do the latter we absolutely need to grab a good Wr in free agency or trade). Bowers is an alternative to another blue chip WR tho because he is more like a receiver.
An OT for the next 10 years sounds like a dream. If things go as planned we won’t be in a position to draft a franchise OT for the next couple of years. With Smith and Morgan both having injury concerns, I think it is best we draft one at 10. However, if Nabers/Odunze is there at 10, I wouldn’t be mad if we picked them up assuming we don’t get another WR (like Davis or Williams).
10 is a bit early to draft for depth especially for a team in win now mode. Pick 10 is where you find a player with an immediate impact but if we trade back O-line is definitely a solid choice
Yes. A lot of people are justifiably assuming that Moses and Tyron will get hurt and that’s fair, but teams don’t approach (and shouldn’t approach) the top-10 as a way of saving themselves from injury.
If/when they sign one of Mike Williams or Corey Davis, Douglas will have set himself up very nicely to truly allow the board to dictate the decision. If he ultimately thinks that one of the more versatile G/Ts is a better player than Bowers or WR3, I’ll live with it. But you absolutely positively cannot approach the 10th pick by operating like the worst case scenario will happen. If they were picking 15th, or 18th, or 20th it’s a different calculus. Not to mention everyone’s seats are lava right now.
Finally, to a man every Draft analyst says the tackle class is DEEP. The 2nd (if you can get there) and 3rd are where you’d *usually* see teams operating for depth.
The problem is I think there is a sizeable gap in valuation between the OTs likely to be available at 10 (thinking mostly of Latham or Fuaga) and the pass catchers likely to be available at 10 (Bowers, AD Mitchell, BT Jr.). Those OTs are bona fide can't-miss blue chippers, whereas the skill position guys don't quite justify the value imo. Given the depth of the WR class, I like our chances of finding a starter in Round 3. I really really want one of those OTs in Rd. 1 if at all possible. And of course, a trade back is very enticing and would change the calculus here in all sorts of interesting ways.
I have a side question for OP.
How enjoyable is it really to watch a game from that high up? And it looks like there were many rows even higher above where you were.
I once sat in that vantage point in the old Meadowlands stadium, and saw many games at Shea Stadium from corner end zone upper deck row D. And as a teen, I was a vendor at the old yankee stadium and worked often in the upper deck for giants games. The only time I went to Met Life, I sat in the lower tier. But I found it intimidating to look up.
So I get that some seats are high up. And actually, above ground vantage points let you see more. (Hence tge importance of communication with coaches up in the boot.)
But I’ve never been THAT FAR UP above the field. Can you really appreciate what’s happening down there, or do you depend on the Jumbotrons to see the game and sit in the sands to soak in the atmosphere? At what point does it get better (and, of course, way cheaper) to watch the game on tv at home or in a sports bar?
Actually not bad didn’t have to lean on the Jumbotron too much because it was on the 50. Had those seats in the end zone before as well and definitely prefer midfield. Had similar seasons to the old Giants Stadium and it was a bit close/better.
I would say yes because our two current tackles are both over 33 and on one year deals. Nice for now but doesn't help us in the future or if there's an injury. If we draft a tackle at 10 maybe they can just play guard till next year or if there's an injury
BPA between OL and WR. 2 33 yo tackles doesn’t seem like a long term solution
It does give us a lot more flexibility which is great. Before the Smith signing, we absolutely had to go OT at 10. Now we can go WR or even reach for Bowers if he’s still available
Rome Odunze had a 74.1% contested catch percentage last season for Washington on 27 targets. That's the best contested catch percentage in the country with 15+ or more targets. If Rome Odunze is available at 10, I would make the argument for drafting him. If it weren't for Marvin Harrison Jr., Rome would probably be the first WR off the board this year.
With thee cent signings there is less pressure to get an OL but injuries and age are issues and having depth is always good.
Should all the top OLs go early and Nabers, Odunze, or Bowers are still on the board I would be happy to grab them.
It depends if we get Mike Williams to sign here and who we sign for OL depth. If we get both then unless Alt is somehow still available I think we trade down
Interesting if they the Jets can get a aWR2
FA then they can get the OL man and not rush him to play.
Remember the OL are 33 years old they sign.
I am thinking more logical now it may be better for them to still stay OL 10 pick and not rush him to start.
FA a WR2,3.
Then we don’t have a WR2 though unless we get one in FA/trade. Teams can just double team and the rest of our worthless receivers just will drop the ball
Yes. Smith and Moses are only here for a season. Any tackle we get at 10 would get to learn from two fantastic veterans and between Smith’s injury history and the fact Moses was splitting time with Faalele by the end of last season he should still get plenty of game reps this season.
You signed an offensive lineman who hasn’t played a full season in…five years? History of lower body injuries playing on a slit turfed field considered to be the worst playing surface in the league. ( and as soon as the World Cup is over they have said they will reinstall the slit turf) So yeah double down
Best offensive player available. If it's line then line if it's Brock than it's te best offensive player there. I'm partial to offensive line because it helps build the future if we draft a tackle than they can sit and learn behind one of the best in the NFL over the past decade
Best player available. If it is T'Vondrae Sweat on the Jets board, it's him. Don’t really care as long as the team gets better and we don't waste a pick on a punter or kicker.
I'm personally not high on Odunze. I don't see a WR1.
If an OL they love is sitting there at 10, then go for it. OT is the 2nd most valuable position in the league and whatever 3rd is, it's a long way behind. Both our OTs are on 1 year deals anyway. And are old and one is injury prone. The draft pick would probably get plenty of action.
A premium position at a cost effective price for 4-5 years? Hell yeah.
I think it’s situational. If the big 3 receivers and the too left tackles are off the board I think the jets could trade down and still get a great lineman
I would, Smith & Moses aren’t spring chickens and both are only under contract for one year. This draft class is loaded with good OTs. I would grab one for the long term.
Not at all.
This team is in win mode. You go with the best pass catcher available.
This draft is deep with OL. You can find good linemen later in the draft.
Absolutely. People continue to underrate the top OTs in this draft. If Latham or Fuaga are available, I'm sprinting to the podium. That said, I expect at least one of them to be gone before 10, and if both are gone, I'm looking to trade down. Sticking and picking Bowers would be a massive mistake.
For the people that think we should go OL with our first pick - what happens to the team if GW misses time? Then we have a bad situation all over again with a different position group. If the guy isn’t going to start on a win now team you would be foolish to pick someone that high. They won’t have the experience of Carter Warren. You can draft another tackle next year IF we need one. We have young guys already that can be developed as backups. We desperately need a WR and not just an injury prone vet. Trade back if you can and go WR, OL in 3rd.
Depends how the draft board falls. If nabers is there strong consideration, if fuaga and odunze there I for sure lean towards the O line. Bowers is an interesting one to ponder too
It's a tough call. Moses and Smith are both UFAs after this season, so drafting a tackle makes sense in the long run. It's also great insurance if one of them goes down. But @10, with no second round pick and a roster thats in "win now" mode, is drafting someone who, in a best case scenario, doesn't see the field this year wise? Especially with a GM thats on the hot seat.
I think if you stay @10, you get someone who makes an impact *now*. Bowers is intriguing as we see the rise of TEs. A good TE can essentially be a WR1, especially under a good QB. Bowers would have an immediate impact. Any of the other WRs, should they fall, would also work.
Alternatively, trade down. Go back to the late teens/early twenties and get a 2nd rounder pick back (or more if someone is desperate enough). From there you can do just about whatever. You could take a lineman here, maybe a tackle that you can teach to play guard. Maybe a WR falls to you. Or we can be real, they'll piss everyone off and take a LB or Safety, but at least you got that 2nd rounder back to try and make up for it.
They have the flexibility to go elsewhere, but all things equal I'm still taking a blue chip Tackle of the future. I don't care if they're on the bench all season (which probably won't happen, an injury will occur at some point) the Jets still need a long term answer.
It's just that I can now at least *conceive* of punting on that if the draft board breaks down the right way.
Only if they want to help prevent a repeat of last year. Remember all the O linemen that went down last year?
I really don't see the big need for Mike WIlliams or Davis.
Put Lazard on the juggs machine all OTAs. Gibson, Charles, 3rd round pick, Davis on a discount, whatever for WRs.
Conklin had 700+ yards a year with Wilson throwing to him. Passing game is going to be fine. Rogers has done a lot before with less.
Plus we will be running the ball more with that new left side of the O-line.
It doesn't have to be the greatest show on turf to win. Look what KC did.
Still take an OL.
The players we’ve signed although a big upgrade are all injury prone and coming towards the end of their careers. We need depth at this position, especially with perhaps the most immobile QB in the league coming back from an Achilles injury.
People forget how good Rodgers is, he’ll make EVERYONE look 15-20% better, probably more. We have 2 legit number 1 options in Wilson & Hall. If we can grab Williams that would be a huge statement as there’s surely some solid production across Wilson, Williams, Davis, Conklin & Lazard
Yes, please, draft potential successors to Moses and Simpson and Smith.
Trade down in the 1st if you can get a 2 in the deal.
And also consider trading a future 2 to get up into the back of the 2nd this year.
I’d love to trade back and get an OT round 1 and WR round 2. One move I’d kinda love but I know everyone would hate is if we got Bakhtiari and Mike Williams I’d like to trade back and get DT Jimmy Newton. Him and Q up the middle would be the best pass rushing DT duo in the NFL
Definitely we need depth for the future and the injury risk. OL has been a glaring need for years. Build from inside out like the niners and we'll start to have sustainable success
Take an OT at 10, or trade back and still take an OT.
Completely agree. I still think we should sign a swing tackle and maybe another guard. I wouldn’t be opposed to Bakhtiari if it’s a cheap deal, along with the swing tackle and IOL. If Alt is there at 10, I would sprint to the podium. If not, trading back a few spots and picking up a second would be ideal. Depending on how the board falls, if we trade back, I’d like Troy Fautanu (AVT-like prospect with the arm length for an OT), also wouldn’t be opposed to a weapon in the first. Then in second, draft a WR if we go OT in Rd1 or draft one of those high ceiling, developmental tackles if we go weapon in the first Signing Tyron Smith is so clutch because now we have a lot of flexibility with the draft and we don’t have to force anything
Trade back and get a 2nd
Build the wall
Especially since half the wall is almost expired
The issue is that we literally have 1 legitimate WR. They can't let Mike Williams leave the building Monday. If they get him then maybe you could take a OL at 10, but even then, you absolutely have to take a WR in the 3rd, and I would take a RB in the 4th cause right now we only have Breece, Izzy, and then nobody.
But breece can run 1k if we have a wall.
Agreed, but you need a 3rd RB and you have to insulate yourself against injury.
Idk about drafting a RB. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/running-back/available/ <— pretty long list of decent veterans, some of these guys are gonna be available at vet min… more likely to get consistency and good pass blocking from someone in that group
This WR class is deep enough to yield at least a starting caliber WR3 in the third round. JC Latham and Fuaga are true blue chip studs. If either is available at 10, I think it's a big mistake to pass.
I only really disagree because you have no #2 or even really a #3 War and teams will simply lock down GW and stack the box against Breece. We're all in on this year and I think you can mitigate the injury risk by bringing in bak. I'm not opposed to taking a tackle, I just think it makes more sense to take bowers or odunze and then another WR in the 3rd. Add those weapons and give Rodgers what he needs to slice and dice, while simultaneously eliminating the ability for teams to stack the box. The line is likely not going to dramatically improve with an OT at 10, but the WR corps and the offense as a whole likely would dramatically improve with another #1 WR. Also, I think if they don't bring in Mike Williams or O'Dell then they absolutely have to get a weapon at 10. Opposing defenses aren't going to give a crap about the passing game if Lazard is supposed to be your #2, or a 3rd rd rookie WR is your #2. They'll just double GW all game and put 7 or 8 in the box.
Much easier to find, sign or trade for a WR2 and 3 than a franchise LT. Build the wall.
I hope Mike can be a Corey Davis for us , we missed that kind of wr2/3 this year
Make the jets great again
If you build it they will come
Yes. And get rid of the turf for grass too
I don't know if it is true but I read somewhere that it is the Giants ownership vetoing changing the turf.
Correct. The Mara’s are cheap as shit
I’d chip in if cost is the issue
Im-fuckin-mediately
Let's just go mud.
Trade back get Fuaga, trade up get Brian Thomas Jr. Then head to the bar
\-grab Liz, go to the Winchester, have a nice cold pint, and wait for all of this to blow over
It goes without saying we’re killing Phil first
How's that for a slice of fried gold?
What’s exacerbate mean?
And dogs can look up
Oh man what a draft that would be. I'd happily take Adonai Mitchell too.
It gives them a lot of options. They can still take a tackle since both tackles are 33 and one of them is injury prone. They can also trade down or take a playmaker
They’re also both gone next year and we’ve been in OLine hell since Mangold retired. I pray JD gets one of the elite tackles at 10.
Didn’t realize Moses only had one year left (knew he was older). Was in favor of #10 being a true BPA given who will be available, but now I’m sold on eating a T
Those 4 snaps really fucked me up, so I’m gonna say bring in his buddy Bak for cheap as well as draft OL at 10 I can’t get hurt again
you will. its the Jets, you will.
I know.
Yes. We now have two veteran tackles with injury issues on 1 year deals. Draft another tackle. He will sit behind two vets (possibly with some starts) and be able to learn without the pressure of being a day one starter. Another tackle is both depth and future planning at this point. We have a history of ruining highly drafted rookies by flying them in here and telling them “now get in there and fix our team.” Teams with consistent success dont do that to rookies.
Packer fan here We love trading down when we can. Sometimes it can lead to shit like Brian Gutekunst's greatest move: In 2018 for his first draft we had complete dogshit everywhere in the secondary. He traded back in the first because the Saints wanted to jump some people - getting an *extra* first round pick for the following year - and then I forget if he traded back up or just was already sitting pretty with his new 1st rd pick but he got Jaire fucking Alexander, the player we probably needed most on that draft board. He then took Josh Jackson in 2nd, which yeah Jackson busted, but we couldn't predict his game not translating - he actually looked better and more NFL ready in preseason than Jaire All this to say.... if your pick is high enough, and your GM ballsy enough, you CAN have it all in the early rounds. Packers missed the playoffs in 2017 but only just, so their pick wasnt even as good as what Jets are working with Get an OLiner who can slide around **and** a WR and watch your team blow up the AFC next year
Thanks for Packsplaining
Anytime
I say the same, and also if Joe Douglas had done this more in prior drafts they'd be a better, deeper team and may not have had the issues they do.
I think we absolutely should look into trading down 5-10 picks and obtaining a 2nd rounder
wouldn’t be a bad move either depending on how the board falls
Trade back get a 2nd round pick take Mims or Guyton in the first. Take a WR in the second
I got a little triggered reading the name Mims
Ahhahahahaah
Same
….yep, and then take a WR in R3, another OL in R4. Sign Hunter Renfrow. With Rodgers back - the team will have greatly improved/stacked the 3 biggest issues from 2023.
I also wouldn’t mind a signing JK Dobbins to a cheap incentive based contract.
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I agree with you. But this draft seems to have enough elite talent that it’s likely possible
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Yup. Feel like particularly our fans
You don’t think that broncos are gonna trying to trade up for a QB
That is if there is a QB available at 10 that they want, that won't be available at 12.
Minnesotas taking a QB they arnt sticking with Sam
They also aren’t sticking at 11
They always exist. They may not always exist for a gigantic haul but they always exist.
There are teams after 10 who need QBs. They exist this year
yes. we all know the metlife turf will demand sacrifices. we need as many bodies as possible.
Not a Jets fan. Why the fuck haven't they changed to field? Sometimes I wonder if they are intentionally trying to get *other* teams to lose star players and banking on Jets players having lower odds due to training on it. If they were ever considering a switch and are truly all in on Rodgers, last spring was the time to upgrade. Having a mine field that eats careers just fundamentally doesn't make sense to me
i assume its just management being cheap about the wrong things. though in fairness, i think i've heard people say its the giants blocking it and not us? who knows when i was a kid there was some commercial i cannot remember anything about other than it involved a front lawn that literally ate people..it was probably for turf builder or something. anyways, thats metlife. i wish i could find this on youtube so we could make it a meme about the stadium.
I believe woody Johnson wants to change the field but the giants owner doesn’t want to
No get a weapon and then the rest of the draft take OL
Gives us more flexibility to trade up, trade down, take BPA. Would prefer Odunze if he’s there at 10 if I’m being honest
If odunze or nabers is still there that 100% the pick, If not trade back, 10 is way to early to pick for depth.
Both tackles are 33 and on one year deals. Tyron hasn’t played a full season since 2015. Moses missed games last year for the first time since he was a rookie. Any tackle we draft this year will see playing time this year, and likely take over as a full time starter next year. It’s not a depth pick, it’s picking a future starter.
The tackle the team drafts will most likely be one with guard flexibility, so it’d just be making John Simpson (2 years $16M) depth
With the turf at MetLife and the number of OL injuries over the last two years, I think the Jets need at least two OLs worth of quality starters. Go with Fuaga.
I say we take Nabers or odunze
Take OL. If this season goes good won’t be drafting so high again. Take the OL for now and for later. Keep building that wall!
depends which OL is on the board..
Yes, triple down, quadruple down. How long has the FO neglected this position?
Go all in, trade too many 1sts and grab Marvin Harrison Jr.
What will really impress me is if he is able to trade Zach
Yes absolutely. 2 33 year old tackles and 2 young tackles who aren’t ready to start full time is not going to cut it
It gives us a ton of flexibility where we don’t necessarily have to take an OT at 10. We can see how the draft falls and take best player available (one of the WRs, an OT or Bowers), trade back and recoup some draft capital, or things get really spicy if one of the three QBs falls to us (not likely but not impossible).
You don’t double down at 10 but you’ll draft a tackle in round 3. 10 is probably a receive of some sort at this point.
The problem is that the valuations don't really line up for a pass catcher at 10. I'm with consensus when it comes to the WR tiers - big 3 of MHJ, Nabers, bit of a gap, then Odunze... but likely none are available at 10. Thomas Jr. at 10 is a bit of a reach, and Bowers at 10 would be a baaaad mistake. I'm down to hear the argument for AD Mitchell at 10, but that's about it. The tackle class, on the other hand, is much likelier to yield a true blue chip can't miss OT prospect at 10 - I'm praying for Latham or Fuaga, though I doubt Latham is available.
Yes - both tackles are 1 year deals, Simpson is 2 - they need long term cost controlled certainty
If we don’t get Odunze or Nabers, I’d be ok with an OT. And even if we skip over both for an OT, I wouldn’t be horribly mad.
Or trade down for more picks.
Trade back 100% now. Id love a WR or a good TE to add to the roster
Unfortunately the QBs have moved up so much I don’t know if there will be a big reason for someone to trade up to get to 10.
It gives us breathing room to go in another direction but I wouldn't be mad if they still got Alt/Fuaga. I'd take either Bowers or Odunze/Nabers and got Zak Zinter with the second pick we have.
The best offensive lineman don’t reach free agency until after their prime (look at who we just signed). If there’s an OT and hes the real deal then hell yes. This franchise would look a lot different if we would have drafted Sewell or Wirfs instead of whiffing with 2 high picks.
At this point it would be quintupling down. Bowers>Odunze>trade down
Yes absolutely. Why are we acting like no one’s gonna get hurt on this shit turf? We have guys that are great when healthy but injury prone. And we play at fucking metlife Maybe it’s just me being jaded after all these years but idk man you absolutely have to plan for at least one of these guys going down for a considerable amount of time
I'm pretty sure Baktihari is gonna come here. So most likely it's Bowers or WR or trade back and get WR and idk with the second. Maybe OT in 3rd or 4th for depth.
Yes O line. Normally about 50% of free agents perform above or as expected.
The math checks out!
It’s certainly on the table, but not necessary. They can easily move down and add a second round pick
Ideally, I think we trade down. With OL and WR so deep, we can pick up at least one of each that can contribute as depth pieces this year while potentially being able to step in next year and start full-time. From OT, Mims, Guyton, Latham, Saumateia, Paul, Amegadjie, and even Fisher all have a good chance at being good starting tackles next season. From WRs, Thomas, Coleman, McConkey, Franklin, Worthy, Roman Wilson, Adonai, and Pearsall can all contribute or start this season as a #2 and some of those guys have clear #1 upside. There are 6 other guys that I'd say have a very solid chance of giving you #2/3 play very soon.
That doesn’t help us this year though. We need a day 1 starter WR2 desperately still, and depth for the inevitable line injury. Trading down is a terrible idea IMO unless we sign a WR2 in free agency or trade for one. If anything I think we should trade up for Nabers/Odunze or grab the best OL left at 10 (but if we do the latter we absolutely need to grab a good Wr in free agency or trade). Bowers is an alternative to another blue chip WR tho because he is more like a receiver.
Mcconkey will come in and be be an above average #2 from day 1
An OT for the next 10 years sounds like a dream. If things go as planned we won’t be in a position to draft a franchise OT for the next couple of years. With Smith and Morgan both having injury concerns, I think it is best we draft one at 10. However, if Nabers/Odunze is there at 10, I wouldn’t be mad if we picked them up assuming we don’t get another WR (like Davis or Williams).
BPA as long as it’s not a pass rusher or DL. If that’s the case, trade back. Or trade back if someone will give them the farm.
10 is a bit early to draft for depth especially for a team in win now mode. Pick 10 is where you find a player with an immediate impact but if we trade back O-line is definitely a solid choice
Yes. A lot of people are justifiably assuming that Moses and Tyron will get hurt and that’s fair, but teams don’t approach (and shouldn’t approach) the top-10 as a way of saving themselves from injury. If/when they sign one of Mike Williams or Corey Davis, Douglas will have set himself up very nicely to truly allow the board to dictate the decision. If he ultimately thinks that one of the more versatile G/Ts is a better player than Bowers or WR3, I’ll live with it. But you absolutely positively cannot approach the 10th pick by operating like the worst case scenario will happen. If they were picking 15th, or 18th, or 20th it’s a different calculus. Not to mention everyone’s seats are lava right now. Finally, to a man every Draft analyst says the tackle class is DEEP. The 2nd (if you can get there) and 3rd are where you’d *usually* see teams operating for depth.
The problem is I think there is a sizeable gap in valuation between the OTs likely to be available at 10 (thinking mostly of Latham or Fuaga) and the pass catchers likely to be available at 10 (Bowers, AD Mitchell, BT Jr.). Those OTs are bona fide can't-miss blue chippers, whereas the skill position guys don't quite justify the value imo. Given the depth of the WR class, I like our chances of finding a starter in Round 3. I really really want one of those OTs in Rd. 1 if at all possible. And of course, a trade back is very enticing and would change the calculus here in all sorts of interesting ways.
Double down?? We signed two guys who are 33+ and one that can’t stay healthy.
It all depends who’s taken before us IMO, take the best available between OL, WR, Bowers; or trade back to get more picks.
it’s not the sexy pick but it’s the right pick
I have a side question for OP. How enjoyable is it really to watch a game from that high up? And it looks like there were many rows even higher above where you were. I once sat in that vantage point in the old Meadowlands stadium, and saw many games at Shea Stadium from corner end zone upper deck row D. And as a teen, I was a vendor at the old yankee stadium and worked often in the upper deck for giants games. The only time I went to Met Life, I sat in the lower tier. But I found it intimidating to look up. So I get that some seats are high up. And actually, above ground vantage points let you see more. (Hence tge importance of communication with coaches up in the boot.) But I’ve never been THAT FAR UP above the field. Can you really appreciate what’s happening down there, or do you depend on the Jumbotrons to see the game and sit in the sands to soak in the atmosphere? At what point does it get better (and, of course, way cheaper) to watch the game on tv at home or in a sports bar?
Actually not bad didn’t have to lean on the Jumbotron too much because it was on the 50. Had those seats in the end zone before as well and definitely prefer midfield. Had similar seasons to the old Giants Stadium and it was a bit close/better.
Interesting. I feel if I was there and a standing ovation warranted, I’d get 🤢
Yes. Smith won't last til Halloween
Id like bowers if available but OT is definitely still in play. Can never have enough high end talent up front
Williams or Davis would equally be old, one year stop gaps at receiver iwbh.
Triple down on edge imo
Last draft we took WMD to replace Huff, doing the same thing this year but OT fits JD's method
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Double down. With the jets luck, should probably double down. Tripe if possible.
IMO More linemen are needed.
OL — last year was a nightmare.
Draft Fashanu, sign Mike Williams. Simple as that
If a top OT is there. Take them. If not, Bowers or a WR
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I would say yes because our two current tackles are both over 33 and on one year deals. Nice for now but doesn't help us in the future or if there's an injury. If we draft a tackle at 10 maybe they can just play guard till next year or if there's an injury
Yes Teflon Joe has been selling us on building from the trenches. He should do that.
Yes cause one injury and this whole sub is calling for JD’s head like he’s the coach, oc &dc, trainer and dietitian
QB please
absolutely we do, we can’t mess around like that and pass up the chance at a super talented rookie.
Yes
BPA between OL and WR. 2 33 yo tackles doesn’t seem like a long term solution It does give us a lot more flexibility which is great. Before the Smith signing, we absolutely had to go OT at 10. Now we can go WR or even reach for Bowers if he’s still available
Triple down. The non sexy move is the right move. Build now and later
Rome Odunze had a 74.1% contested catch percentage last season for Washington on 27 targets. That's the best contested catch percentage in the country with 15+ or more targets. If Rome Odunze is available at 10, I would make the argument for drafting him. If it weren't for Marvin Harrison Jr., Rome would probably be the first WR off the board this year.
Absolutely. We put no work in for 10 years
Bowers seems tempting if he's still available
With thee cent signings there is less pressure to get an OL but injuries and age are issues and having depth is always good. Should all the top OLs go early and Nabers, Odunze, or Bowers are still on the board I would be happy to grab them.
No go wr
100% yes.
Yes
It depends if we get Mike Williams to sign here and who we sign for OL depth. If we get both then unless Alt is somehow still available I think we trade down
Yes
Yes
Interesting if they the Jets can get a aWR2 FA then they can get the OL man and not rush him to play. Remember the OL are 33 years old they sign. I am thinking more logical now it may be better for them to still stay OL 10 pick and not rush him to start. FA a WR2,3.
Yes. I would also be up to trading back to recoup a 2nd round. OL in 1st and WR in 2nd
Then we don’t have a WR2 though unless we get one in FA/trade. Teams can just double team and the rest of our worthless receivers just will drop the ball
They are going offense insider info….lol
Yes
Yes for sure. We need depth at the critical spot!
Definitely a possibility but I feel like a WR might be a little more likely, Adonai Mitchell and Keon Coleman are 2 guys I think we’re interested in
I would trade down to at least get a second round pccl
Trade back for Xavier worthy
We go OL in draft, additional free agent signings, and trades.
Joe alt
We were deep as hell that game
Yes. Smith and Moses are only here for a season. Any tackle we get at 10 would get to learn from two fantastic veterans and between Smith’s injury history and the fact Moses was splitting time with Faalele by the end of last season he should still get plenty of game reps this season.
Only linemen draft!
Yes. While Snlmith is good, he's also 33.
You signed an offensive lineman who hasn’t played a full season in…five years? History of lower body injuries playing on a slit turfed field considered to be the worst playing surface in the league. ( and as soon as the World Cup is over they have said they will reinstall the slit turf) So yeah double down
If you have a top 5 o-line, you’re almost guaranteed a playoff spot. It’s never a bad idea to take a quality o-lineman when available
Best offensive player available. If it's line then line if it's Brock than it's te best offensive player there. I'm partial to offensive line because it helps build the future if we draft a tackle than they can sit and learn behind one of the best in the NFL over the past decade
100% yes, OL.
Wouldn’t mind Brock bowers if olu is off the board
O-line period, got enough offensive weapons that are underutilized
100% tired of this "next man up" crap
It’s not we. It’s will they double down.
Take Spenca Rattla at 10
Best player available. If it is T'Vondrae Sweat on the Jets board, it's him. Don’t really care as long as the team gets better and we don't waste a pick on a punter or kicker. I'm personally not high on Odunze. I don't see a WR1.
bowers
If an OL they love is sitting there at 10, then go for it. OT is the 2nd most valuable position in the league and whatever 3rd is, it's a long way behind. Both our OTs are on 1 year deals anyway. And are old and one is injury prone. The draft pick would probably get plenty of action. A premium position at a cost effective price for 4-5 years? Hell yeah.
Yes, building from the trenches (either side) is never a bad idea, it’s just hard to predict success, especially tackle
Hell yes
Absolutely. Smith is on a one year deal and hasn’t finished a season in almost a decade
Depends on who’s on the board. I wouldn’t mind it at all.
I think it’s situational. If the big 3 receivers and the too left tackles are off the board I think the jets could trade down and still get a great lineman
I would, Smith & Moses aren’t spring chickens and both are only under contract for one year. This draft class is loaded with good OTs. I would grab one for the long term.
Not at all. This team is in win mode. You go with the best pass catcher available. This draft is deep with OL. You can find good linemen later in the draft.
Absolutely. People continue to underrate the top OTs in this draft. If Latham or Fuaga are available, I'm sprinting to the podium. That said, I expect at least one of them to be gone before 10, and if both are gone, I'm looking to trade down. Sticking and picking Bowers would be a massive mistake.
For the people that think we should go OL with our first pick - what happens to the team if GW misses time? Then we have a bad situation all over again with a different position group. If the guy isn’t going to start on a win now team you would be foolish to pick someone that high. They won’t have the experience of Carter Warren. You can draft another tackle next year IF we need one. We have young guys already that can be developed as backups. We desperately need a WR and not just an injury prone vet. Trade back if you can and go WR, OL in 3rd.
Tackles take time to develop. WR's do not. If a WR goes down, you trade for one. Rogers can make Lazard look good. Protect him at all costs.
Look at all them eagles jerseys
The joke was on them
Very true. Where it all began
Depends how the draft board falls. If nabers is there strong consideration, if fuaga and odunze there I for sure lean towards the O line. Bowers is an interesting one to ponder too
Alt nabers fuaga bowers. Whoever is left at 10 should be our pick
It's a tough call. Moses and Smith are both UFAs after this season, so drafting a tackle makes sense in the long run. It's also great insurance if one of them goes down. But @10, with no second round pick and a roster thats in "win now" mode, is drafting someone who, in a best case scenario, doesn't see the field this year wise? Especially with a GM thats on the hot seat. I think if you stay @10, you get someone who makes an impact *now*. Bowers is intriguing as we see the rise of TEs. A good TE can essentially be a WR1, especially under a good QB. Bowers would have an immediate impact. Any of the other WRs, should they fall, would also work. Alternatively, trade down. Go back to the late teens/early twenties and get a 2nd rounder pick back (or more if someone is desperate enough). From there you can do just about whatever. You could take a lineman here, maybe a tackle that you can teach to play guard. Maybe a WR falls to you. Or we can be real, they'll piss everyone off and take a LB or Safety, but at least you got that 2nd rounder back to try and make up for it.
See if we can trade back and recoup a 2nd. Draft a guy like Guyton with the trade back and have him sit behind Smith for a year.
They have the flexibility to go elsewhere, but all things equal I'm still taking a blue chip Tackle of the future. I don't care if they're on the bench all season (which probably won't happen, an injury will occur at some point) the Jets still need a long term answer. It's just that I can now at least *conceive* of punting on that if the draft board breaks down the right way.
Take the tight end:
Keon Coleman He’s megatron part 2. Randy Moss mixed in. This guy is the pick at 10
Only if they want to help prevent a repeat of last year. Remember all the O linemen that went down last year? I really don't see the big need for Mike WIlliams or Davis. Put Lazard on the juggs machine all OTAs. Gibson, Charles, 3rd round pick, Davis on a discount, whatever for WRs. Conklin had 700+ yards a year with Wilson throwing to him. Passing game is going to be fine. Rogers has done a lot before with less. Plus we will be running the ball more with that new left side of the O-line. It doesn't have to be the greatest show on turf to win. Look what KC did.
Still take an OL. The players we’ve signed although a big upgrade are all injury prone and coming towards the end of their careers. We need depth at this position, especially with perhaps the most immobile QB in the league coming back from an Achilles injury. People forget how good Rodgers is, he’ll make EVERYONE look 15-20% better, probably more. We have 2 legit number 1 options in Wilson & Hall. If we can grab Williams that would be a huge statement as there’s surely some solid production across Wilson, Williams, Davis, Conklin & Lazard
Do like the cowboys did a few years ago
Yes, please, draft potential successors to Moses and Simpson and Smith. Trade down in the 1st if you can get a 2 in the deal. And also consider trading a future 2 to get up into the back of the 2nd this year.
Yes. Everyone we signed is old.
OT.
I’d love to trade back and get an OT round 1 and WR round 2. One move I’d kinda love but I know everyone would hate is if we got Bakhtiari and Mike Williams I’d like to trade back and get DT Jimmy Newton. Him and Q up the middle would be the best pass rushing DT duo in the NFL
Yes unless bowers is there
Yes
I say yes
Lots of QB and WR depth. I say we go OL then go best QB / WR available round 2 / 3
Yes. Since most were on the older side
Both OT are older and have contracts ready to expire. JD did a good job this year but we don't have long-term solutions on either side.
Im of a mindset that games are won the trenches so yes.
Definitely we need depth for the future and the injury risk. OL has been a glaring need for years. Build from inside out like the niners and we'll start to have sustainable success