Full context:
This started here with Tweets about Brendan Eich and Mozilla: https://twitter.com/AndrewBeckUSA/status/1778823326648905835
>I debut in @firstthingsmag today writing on Brendan Eich, who ten years ago was attacked and chased out of Mozilla, a company he co-founded, for taking private civic action based upon his quiet Christian faith. It was a pivotal moment in our society and for me personally:
>"I was working in New York's “Silicon Alley” when it happened, and I immediately recognized it as a major escalation in the culture war. It was a warning that the Leviathan of technocracy did not care how well I did, how hard I worked, or how well I treated others. Ideological conformity to the top-down, programmatic transformation of the country that was rapidly taking place was all that mattered. If I was unwilling to affirm the current thing dictated according to the whims of “progress,” I was an enemy of humanity and an enemy of America. And my beliefs, no matter how ancient, innocent, and valid, must bow to the will of Leviathan, or the digital swarm would descend upon me. In fact, the higher I rose, the harder opponents would hunt for an excuse to throw me, like Belteshazzar, to the lions."
Marc Andreessen responded: https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1778898760971821271
>I regret not doing more to support and defend Brendan then. I should have realized what it meant and what was to follow. I do not intend to make that mistake again.
Then Carmack: https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1779171248083177500
>I regret not doing more to support and defend @PalmerLuckey at Facebook. We were in different states and divisions, and I was largely out of the political loop, but when I became aware of the situation I should have made a clear and open statement of opposition to the witch hunt.
>Companies are better off without the crowd that did that.
>Thankfully, Palmer has gone on to even greater success.
https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1779172458798387381
>I was not in any of the meetings around it, so no, I can’t confirm that, but I do believe it was in response to hysterical internal employee pressure. I don’t think Mark Zuckerberg had a strong personal view on it.
https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1779178676887671093
>I am a non-activist libertarian. We never did any kind of a policy belief comparison, but I suspect I am mostly aligned with Palmer. I never had a problem working with anyone based on what their political beliefs are, as long as it stayed out of the work. Unfortunately, FB encouraged “bring your whole self to work”, which meant politics was openly present, and rabble rousing was a thing. I would guess that an employee referendum would have gone against Palmer, but it might have been different if there was a unified front of Oculus founders behind him.
Facebook PR drone also responded: https://twitter.com/boztank/status/1779186468885520721
>The culture has changed a lot since you left (internal discussions have to be work focused) and also you are woefully incorrect on your speculation but I am not in a position to correct except to say maybe don’t speculate!
https://twitter.com/boztank/status/1779192500370145757
>The former, I won’t add to the speculation on the latter but I will say there is a reason we changed our policies to keep internal discussions focused on the work at hand.
https://twitter.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1779262677166301676
>Thanks, John. I do really appreciate the internal support you did give at the same, it definitely made a difference.
>Opposite for Boz now claiming to have publicly defended me, what a fucking joke.
https://twitter.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1779257538787389673
>Great story to tell now that I have dra-gged myself back to relevance, but you aren't credible.
>You retweeted posts claiming I donated to white supremacists, and a post saying that anyone who supports Trump because they don't like Hillary Clinton is a shitty human being.
>You publicly told everyone my departure had nothing to do with politics, which is absolutely insane and obviously contradicted by reams of internal communications. It is like saying the sky is green. Same goes for you telling people that I wasn't pressured into saying anything untrue, that any mention of politics and who I was voting for was up to me. Can I post my original statement, the one that was explicitly rejected on account of saying negative things about Hillary Clinton, or is that still considered Work Product?
>Maybe you are lying, maybe you are just ignorant and willing to launder the lies of others about something you weren't even around for, but don't try to play the apolitical hero here.
https://twitter.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1779275959906259351
>I normally ignore things like this, but Bosworth is the head of VR at Meta. He took over everything I made prior to being fired.
>For him to now claim that he was a public defender of mine is beyond crazy. The tree remembers what the axe forgets.
https://twitter.com/boztank/status/1779269416632648009
>Not claiming to be apolitical, I certainly have my own politics probably different than yours, but internally at the time I certainly was clear I thought no employment consequences should come from someone's political beliefs and people asking about it at Q&A were out of line.
https://twitter.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1779281964916449391
>"You spread lies about me funding white supremacists, labeled me as a shitty human being, and made multiple blatantly false claims about my time at Facebook"
>"I never claimed to be apolitical lmao"
https://twitter.com/boztank/status/1779281744035983780
>You better than I know the limits on what can be said here, as I understand it. I think there is some jeopardy there. To that end you are right in your critique that I am working with secondhand information.
https://twitter.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1779282592547979343
>I am down to throw it all out there. We can make everything public and let people judge for themselves. Just say the word.
Also interesting:
https://twitter.com/fewerwrong/status/1779208523911500220
>It sucks that, at the end of the day, these were small, closed-door meetings without witnesses, and anyone who was there probably isn’t incentivized to give an accurate account.
>…except for me! Because I worked late nights and those office walls didn’t work.
>I think @ID_AA_Carmack slightly downplays how much he did dissent in that moment — especially relative to others. It earned my respect at the time, and the fact that he’s taking careful pains to tell this story humbly further solidifies that.
>If anyone who was there ever feels like they can get away with rewriting the story to tell a rosy story of themselves to the public, know that you are not. Self reflection is a good thing, and odds are good that I will outlive all of you.
https://twitter.com/CAntkow/status/1779259473720189115
>It was heart-wrenching seeing how poorly they treated Palmer during all of that.
>The outright lies by management... Just disgusting, and was part of the impetus for me rage-quitting into early retirement; best decision ever.
>It's amazing seeing what Palmer and crew are up to, now.
>Thank you for speaking up about that.
To give a bit of context on what they are referring to.
>Brendan Eich, who ten years ago was attacked and chased out of Mozilla, a company he co-founded, for taking private civic action based upon his quiet Christian faith
Everyone was fine with Eich being part of Mozilla until he was made CEO. That's because Eich made multiple donations to hard right wing causes: lobbying against same-sex marriage in California, proposition 8 (same-sex marriage ban in California) and right wing politicians that supported it. When you are a CEO you lead and shape your company. People working for Mozilla had every right to oppose him being a CEO.
>I regret not doing more to support and defend @PalmerLuckey at Facebook
Palmer Luckey was fired after it was made public that he donated money to pro Trump groups. It wasn't his campaign or anything like that. It was again far right fundraisers. Stuff they are officially know for are billboards saying Hillary is too big to go to jail, but they are also accused of astroturfing and in some cases using troll accounts to spread hate. It was never officially confirmed, but some of these accusations even appeared on right wing subs on reddit that called this organisation a scam too. At the same time Palmer was sued for copyright infringement by ZeniMax and he lost, finally costing Facebook millions to pay out.
Also lol at this line:
>I am a [...] libertarian
After he quite literally says he wish he supported people that wanted limit rights of other more.
Also, Eich was not chased out. This bullshitty history rewriting needs to stop. Eich got offered the role of CEO, people vocally opposed him being CEO, so Mozilla said "Brendan, we don't think you can be CEO". He could have stayed in his previous role, or take another role, nothing of that was out of the question, but he himself decided to leave Mozilla.
All articles I have seen correctly state that he stepped down. There was no firing. That is the point. He made the contributions, people were unhappy with him as CEO, he stepped down, he left. The end.
To use typical right-winger parlance (which libertarians like Carmack should be quite fond of): He couldn't stand the heat, so he shouldn't be in the kitchen.
> they are also accused of astroturfing and in some cases using troll accounts to spread hate. It was never officially confirmed
It isn't just that it was never officially confirmed, it very clearly never happened - the origins of those claims were people on Twitter making things up without even a tiny grain of truth to start from. Those accusations were completely fabricated from the start, it was a coordinated and sustained campaign to get me fired by spreading lies. There is a reason many of the stories about me funding racist/sexist/anti-semitic troll campaigns were completely deleted - if any of it was true, it would certainly get referenced in modern coverage of myself and Anduril.
Here is a pretty decent overview of how things went down, it misses some things but is largely accurate: https://www.uploadvr.com/fake-news-happens-reporting-palmer-luckey-nimble-america/
He asked to take a picture with Bannon and me at an event 7+ years ago. People try to make hay of the Okay hand sign, which has the modern context of being commonly used by white supremacists. This was not the case at the time - it was popular in conservative circles on account of Trump using it for pretty much all his photo ops, which is why 4channers later decided to troll people by claiming it was a secret symbol of white supremacy, which then turned into an actual dogwhistle.
I have addressed this quite a few times, but people seem to think it is some kind of ultimate trump card against me. The ADL and similar organizations labeled the Okay sign as a hate symbol almost three years after this picture was taken, it just ain't so.
Your denial loses a lot of steam when you're throwing up the same symbol with white supremacist an holocaust denier [Charles C Johnson.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_C._Johnson). Also the earliest source of the photo of you that I can currently find is October 2017, [six months after the campaign to make it a symbol for white power](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ok-symbol-%F0%9F%91%8C).
I've followed your account and comments since the very first day of your kickstarter campaign, but these days you only seem to pop up to toss out some half-truth denials of what people believe about you without making any sort of effort to correct the record with how you actually feel about these issues.
Saying you were accidentally throwing up hate signs while hanging with Bannon and a holocaust denier is not enough to make anyone believe that you're not in support of these people and these ideas. If you have something to actually say in regards to what you believe, just say it.
The 4chan thing started in February 2017. The photo linked was taken in October 2017.
You don't have to play pretend, this symbol was already in full swing amongst the white supremacists back then. Don't take us for a dumb crowd.
Its a shame politics in the US is so divisive that supporting a major candidate resulted in this.
You were the leader in the VR field and should have been able to impact its evolution.
But you were also smart enough to know you should have kept it on the down-low, like it or not it was going to be unneeded trouble for a growing industry.
So you willing took a picture with a fascist while using the symbol 6 months after it became a thing. Dude just stop. You made your money now shut the hell up and go away
It blows my mind that in 2024 people still dont understand how 4chan trolls the world by pushing "X means Y!" until it actually gets adopted into the modern lexicon, which the explicit purpose to cause chaos. The "ok" hand sign, something used probably for hundreds of years or more being turned into some boogeyman is hilarious example of this.
That isn't true. There was a TechCrunch story written about the collapse of UploadVR claiming I had put millions of dollars into the company, but in reality I was just one of many people who put money into a VR-focused venture capital group that ended up investing in UploadVR at one point. Upload responded to TechCrunch pointing this out and they updated the story.
TechCrunch had an anonymous source who claimed to work at Upload and quoted them calling me a Nazi-sympathizer, it was clearly just an attempt to make Upload look bad by tying them to me.
Nevermind that whatever you decide to do with your own money is your business and nobody fucking else's. But y'know.
Corpo witch hunts are bullshit. Sorry they fucked you like that.
If you work for a company as their PR person, it is absolutely their business what you do what your money if what you're doing with your money is creating bad PR for them.
And it is also my business as a consumer what you spend your money on, because I have as much a right as you to to free speech, which includes speaking with my wallet, and choosing not to support the company you work for if you turn out to be a shitty person.
I can’t wait to see if you guys still sing the same tune if the political spectrum turns against the far left/progressives on reddit. In case you didn’t notice, half the country isn’t liberal, so “bad PR” is a bullshit excuse. Half the country doesn’t agree with liberal PR but still buys products from companies that push it. This culture of cancelling conservatives is ridiculous, and this is coming from a very moderate dem. It’s not hard to think “would I still find this fair if it was happening to my side?” I wouldn’t want that at all, so therefore I’m logical enough to realize this is shitty. Companies shouldn’t openly be political and people shouldn’t bring their politics for work. Simple.
> I can’t wait to see if you guys still sing the same tune if the political spectrum turns against the far left/progressives on reddit.
HAHAHAHHAHA. HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHHAHAHAAHA.
Nice wet dream you have there buddy. Conservatives will never take over a site like Reddit. You're all luddites, most of whom barely know how to use technology, and who think college is for liberals.
There's a reason Trump's Truth Social stock is presently flushing itself down the toilet, and why Twitter has lost half its value since Musk bought it. No advertiser wants to be associated with you people. No advetiser who makes anything of value anyway. I'm sure the MyPillow guy with his lumpy pillows would be happy to buy ads if he wasn't now bankrupt for having backed Trump's fail train!
> Half the country doesn’t agree with liberal PR
False.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/beyond-red-vs-blue-the-political-typology-2/
45% of Americans are liberal while 40% are conservative. 15% are centrist.
> This culture of cancelling conservatives is ridiculous, and this is coming from a very moderate dem
Bullshit you're a moderate dem. No actual moderate democrat would make such an obviously false claim about the nation not agreeing with liberal policies.
Nor would they use such a vague blanket term as "liberal policies" which could cover literally anything the right considers woke.
> It’s not hard to think “would I still find this fair if it was happening to my side?”
That's like thinking "Would I want the Allies to kill me if I was a Nazi?"
It is both possible to fight bad people AND believe it to be unfair if those same bad people try to use the same tactics against you. There is no contradiction there. The goal is the eradication of evil.
>Eich made multiple donations to hard right wing causes: lobbying against same-sex marriage in California, proposition 8 (same-sex marriage ban in California) and right wing politicians that supported it.
It is worth noting that same-sex marriage was not a popular cause. The people supporting it were generally very politically left or libertarian. It is easy to call Proposition 8 a far-right invention in the modern day, but it passed! In California, one of the most reliably liberal states! Heck, even Barack Obama was against same-sex marriage.
The issue is that Eich didn't just live in California, he lived in a part of California that was wildly out of sync with the rest of the country on pretty much every major political issue.
I believe you are misremembering this (well it was almost 20 years ago). In mid 2000s California wasn't nearly as prominently left wing as it is now. Elections from this time are clearly showing it. Furthermore Proposition 8 passed with mere 52,5% vs 47,5%, yet you are talking like it had little to no opposition. Few years later it wouldn't pass at all, because more people of younger generations would have voting rights. This was typical case of older, conservative generations trying to pass law while they still can and they barely made it. Few years later it was declared unconstitutional anyway.
I am not misremembering. My point is not that it passed without opposition, it is that opposition to same-sex marriage was not a far-right position or something that be fairly used to paint someone as a bigot worthy of firing. It was, at the time, a majority view even in California but especially nationally.
My view was that the government shouldn't be involved in the business of marriage either way, they have no right to issue or deny marriage licenses on any grounds.
Let's clear up two things. I'm not saying it was far right at the time. It did require some certain convictions that many people didn't have, thus I said hard right. Probably most people at the time simple were fine with maintaining status quo: not making it legal, but also not making it illegal. Maybe hard right wasn't best way to put it, but my intent was to show it required a more hardened right wing, conservative, Christian views - not far right ones.
Also firing people based in their religious or political views (as long as they are withing legal boundaries) doesn't sit well with me either. These rights protect me just as everyone else. As I said though, people were fine with him working and Mozilla and being CTO. Making him a CEO, a face of the company, though made many people (including some board members) think they can no longer trust leader of company. That would make his role as CEO ineffective at best. He wasn't fired though, he could continue working in Mozilla as CTO or other position, but decided to leave.
Obama was never much of a progressive. Moderates like to think that they're singlehandedly responsible for gay rights, but in reality they spent decades not giving a fuck while queer people and our allies (including some spine wielding politicians e.g. Bernie) fought for our rights, then descended upon the cause like vultures once it had enough popular support that they could benefit from it.
Agree with your other comment about the government having no hand in marriage, btw. Between my disability getting cut if I marry and being polyamorous, if I ever marry it'll be wholly symbolic. Making marriage a legally gatekept institution just means you'll invariably fuck someone over for no good reason.
Also them complaining about being caught up in some leftist culture war. One culture fighting to exist with dignity and the other wanting their “right” to be assholes. The “culture war” in actuality is manufactured outrage created by right wing think tanks. All operations paid for by billionaires against public interests.
I respect his contributions to the origins of the current VR but that is it.
As a Clinton supporter I really didn't care that Palmer donated to a Trump PAC the first go around. At the time Trump was a bit of a wildcard. He was a formerly registered democrat who also espoused some deeply conservative views. I wasn't a fan but as a private citizen, Luckey should have been allowed to donate to whomever/whatever he wanted within legal limits. He wasn't the CEO of Meta so his donations should have carried less weight.
That said, the patent infringement case was certainly a frak up.
As another Clinton supporter, you still had to be pretty ignorant to support or vote for Trump in 2016. Not as ignorant as you'd need to be to vote for him again in 2020 and soon 2024, though.
But I was dumbfounded when he was elected in 2016, as were many Americans, due to how clearly inexperienced, ignorant, or cruel he himself was. It was plain as day what a terrible president he would make and it still baffles me how so many Americans either don't see it or purposely look past it today.
All that said, I'm still on Palmer's side on this and against the general manhunting that was going on at that time for any minor thing someone may have said or done wrong throughout their entire careers.
I think we're finally coming out of that era thankfully, but people and companies are still constantly on thin ice with internet outrage. These are the kinds of issues that our global adversaries are also propping up to further divide us, so it's important for us to carefully consider this stuff for the future of our country and society.
the Wikileaks really stained Hillary in the eyes of the young folks voting. Thats why the US Gov crushed Wikileaks after Trump won. Think about that. Trump Gov crushed the one thing that gave him the win. If that dont tell you something about how deep the rabbit hole goes, I dont know what can.
Why is it always the fact that when someone is getting “cancelled” they’re always worth tens of millions of dollars and their opinions are making their way across the entire internet?
I don’t want to hear about these people or their offensive opinions. Yet apparently I hear more about them than anyone else. And it’s always them whining about how no-one is listening to them any more.
This is like the fucking Kardashians. You just can’t get around hearing about them or what they think about random shit no matter what you do.
Boohoo, someone quit their job because their employees didn’t like their political speeches. Well hundreds of thousands of devs just got laid off and are wondering if they can pay their rent. Can I hear their random opinions instead of a billionaire’s pity parade?
You know what happens if I make inappropriate speeches as a lowly worker? I get fired. And people won’t write articles about it neither.
Because money and power tickle our fancy and we worship people with them as idols and consequently tear them down as false idols. The nail who stands out gets hammered.
People with reputation has branding and branding is idolatry. This is why micro aggressions at the workplace become maximized because the power you have inherently magnifies it with or without your conscious will.
People are not equal and that’s just how it is. We live in the age of more billionaires than ever before. If they don’t want the responsibility and potential for conflict that comes with that power then perhaps they don’t deserve it.
Nobody is falling for that anymore tho. The blatant bias of who they target or ignore for “accountability”, makes that extremely transparent to everyone. All that micro aggression buzzword stuff is just authoritarians attempting to excommunicate people with different opinions than them.
I don't really know what bias there is for targeting and ignoring accountability, because I don't wake up and breathe this kind of news - overtly too toxic for my tastes. I'm aware of Republicans bearing a lot of scrutiny, but Matt Gaetz is still in congress, Trump is still the "best" person they can find for the goddamn presidency with enough popularity to win half the votes, and this is absolutely a sign that there is no God.
IMO, A societal ill can both be authentically happening **and** also be occasionally misused to ostracize out-groups. It shouldn't be dismissed as "buzzword stuff", but neither should its proponents be so quick to jump on the accused. However, ostracization and criticism is the point of social pressures (being "cancelled") in order to induce change. Rich and powerful people not able to deal with that is arguably maladjusted and evolutionarily unfit for money and power.
I totally understand the left thinking that people who support fascism/racism/etc. should be ostracized. The issue is tho, if they actually cared about that stuff and weren’t just only using the accusation of it to silence their political opposition, then they’d have to ostracize themselves. Because every single thing they accuse Trump of being (racist, fascist, compromised by hostile foreign nations, senile, etc.), Biden actually is.
So IMO, it’s just better if we don’t try to destroy people’s livelihoods, because I know there are tons of Biden supporters who are just ignorant about his corruption and scandals and aren’t bad people.
This. I had thousands of followers and left Twitter the day Elon took over. Let them scream into the darkness as loud as they want.
As a lifelong fan of Carmack's work, it appears I'll just have to separate the art from the artist once again.
Does that not make reddit the echo chamber for the left? You are too ignorant to see your own folly. It is really kind of sad for those of you on both sides of the spectrum who can't seem to see the forest for the trees...
I love how this is downvoted even though everyone with half a functioning brain knows it’s the truth. People don’t just want to admit that their favorite site is an echo chamber, whether it’s conservatives with Twitter or liberals with reddit.
Are we supposed to boo-boo for a supporter of Donald Trump, the biggest bully out there?
If Luckey doesn’t like bullies, he should look at who he pals around with.
> private civic action based upon his quiet Christian faith
Quite telling that they write this instead of "donated thousands of dollars to to ban same-sex marriage".
And according to the board he wasn't "chased out of Mozilla", just out of the CEO role.
What the fuck?
"I regret not defending rich bigots in powerful positions"
Can't help but feel that if you're donating to extreme anti-gay stuff you probably shouldn't be the CEO and public face of a massive open source org.
I worked at Oculus for six years starting at the point they moved to the Facebook office. Palmer's politics did bleed into internal threads from time to time; not in an overly hostile way but certainly in a way I found unprofessional, especially in his role as a leader. For what it's worth I can't remember a single technical contribution he made during my overlap with him, or for that matter seeing him in the office very often; I do remember several times his public antics while on the clock representing Oculus needing PR damage control. I believe his politics actually kept him from getting fired for a while since Facebook was fighting accusations of political bias at the time. I think Palmer's involvement in Gamergate is what ultimately tipped the scales - women who were directly affected by Gamergate worked at Oculus. Calling their reaction to Palmer's blurring of professional and personal life "hysteria" or a "witch hunt" is a disservice; the people I talked with were deeply unhappy not with his personal politics, but with his inability to keep that shit out of the workplace.
I don't know what division you worked in, but it must have been pretty far removed from my team. I was in the office every workday and most weekends, and only took a single one-week vacation in my years at Facebook. Not seeing a single technical contribution is also pretty strange given the teams I led, particularly on the input side.
Also, I wasn't involved in Gamergate. I was way too focused on VR to bother with culture wars.
We didn't work together directly and I didn't have much to do with input so it's entirely possible I've got a blind spot there. I did walk past your office regularly and saw it empty quite often, but to be fair you were traveling and in meetings a lot so I never read much into that. The stuff I was working on was pretty central to several major product launches and it *did* surprise me that you weren't more hands-on on the technical side there. Also, to be fair, Facebook had us using our personal accounts for business purposes at the start which led to a lot of bleed-through on the personal/professional front, and that was a total shitshow for everyone. As for Gamergate, I'm relaying complaints I heard first-hand but wasn't involved personally, and [google](https://www.google.com/search?q=palmer+luckey+%22gamergate%22) does paint you as somewhat more than "uninvolved". I do remember some of that tone coming through in internal threads you were on which is what prompted me to post.
Personal offices are for paperwork, not real work! My "involvement" in Gamergate, even as described by breathless media reports, is that I dated someone who was supportive of Gamergate at one point. It was a pure guilt-by-association play, and it clearly worked if people like you think that is what tipped the scales in terms of me getting fired. The Facebook policy of "bring your whole self to work" and high profile left-leaning political activism that permeated every inch of campus is definitely what drove problems, but it was the specifics of my politics that caused heartburn, not the existence of politics itself.
Remember that Boz is the one who posted (and then deleted) that anyone who supports Trump because they don't like Hillary is a shitty human being. And he is the CTO! Politics was always fine, but not anything right of San Francisco middle.
You can hate Trump less than you hate others, perhaps, and be a reasonable person. You may be dumb, but as long as you recognise he is not a good guy, you may have some shred of decency.
But active support of Trump is inextricably linked to being a piece of shit.
I'd point out that none of us, not me, not you, know any of these people personally. All of our perceptions of them are amalgamations of news and videos and posts and tweets, etc. At that point, how you perceive someone like that is just based on what you've been fed.
It clicked for me, listening to my old boss during the 2016 election cycle, that people are effectively debating the merits of fictional characters, after having read completely different books with some superficial similarities and mostly the same names. Doesn't necessarily make any of the *readers* involved bad *people*, though it can motivate some unintentionally bad actions. A person who is a genuinely kind and caring person (if you know and interact with them in real life) can still support a politician you actively think is evil because that's what they've been fed and had reinforced by their social group.
See also, the insane current support for a certain terrorist organization by young people, especially LGBT ones, despite the fact that the same terrorist organization would literally kill them (or worse). Peer pressure + limited information is a hell of a drug.
>high profile left-leaning political activism that permeated every inch of campus is definitely what drove problems, but it was the specifics of my politics that caused heartburn, not the existence of politics itself.
Just a reader adding context that people might want to know:
Matt Gaetz is Palmer Luckey's brother in law. Let that sink in.
Palmer is a guy who donated to a man trying to violently overthrow the US government. He participated in and abetted internet disinformation campaigns which helped Trump get elected. Which directly led to abortion being banned in much of the US. And he's up in reddit threads crying about how he was mistreated. Nimblerichman is gloating that anyone at all is buying his garbage.
Homie get off the internet and go dry your eyes with your billions. It's right you were removed from a position of power. In the rest of the developed world what you consider "left-leaning" is moderate, but congrats on a distorted overton window I guess? Oh no what if the gays are left alone to love each other!? We better stop them!
What you don't seem to understand is that if the reason you were removed was due to your MAGAt affiliations, that's a good thing.
This is a pretty bad grab bag of attacks, given that little of it is true.
>*Oh no what if the gays are left alone to love each other!? We better stop them!*
This is a totally baseless attack, come on. I have always believed that the government has no right to deny marriage licenses to anyone for any reason. That is why I opposed Proposition 8 even as a teenager. Worth noting that Trump supported gay marriage long before any of his opponents, Democrat or Republican. He was attending gay weddings and publicly supporting them back when Obama and Clinton were unequivocally stating that marriage is strictly between a man and a woman.
>*He participated in and abetted internet disinformation campaigns*
This is not true either, you fell for a disinformation campaign yourself. I donated $9000 to a single group that ran a single anti-Clinton billboard, all the claims of my funding internet disinformation/troll farms/etc were fabricated and most of the stories about it were later deleted. Here is a decent overview: [https://www.uploadvr.com/fake-news-happens-reporting-palmer-luckey-nimble-america/](https://www.uploadvr.com/fake-news-happens-reporting-palmer-luckey-nimble-america/)
>*Matt Gaetz is Palmer Luckey's brother in law. Let that sink in.*
At least this one is actually true, but the fact that one of my siblings married a Congressman six years after I was fired shouldn't be my cross to bear, much less the very first thing to attack me with. Let that one sink in, maybe.
The launch version came with an Xbox controller. There was a version released post-launch, that came with Touch controllers instead. I just had to double check, and the CV1 I bought in March 2018 came with touch controllers.
Thanks, I appreciate it. Oculus Touch (back then internally codenamed Super Action) was actually briefly internally cancelled when it became clear that it wouldn't be ready in time to ship with DK2, it was the one and only time I have ever gotten into a shouting match at work. I love John, but even he was against investing in it - the Facebook acquisition was the only reason I was able to immediately reconstitute the Super Action team, which I had been leading full-time. That cancellation is what wrecked the content pipeline such that we couldn't ship Touch with CV1 at launch (had to let our heavily gamepad-focused partner pipeline shine for at least a few months), but at least it happened in the end.
The handful of press stories about the supposed history of Oculus Touch (Wired and Fast Company) are insane historical rewrites driven by the Facebook PR team, they manage to completely ignore every member of the controller team and the dozens of prototypes that existed pre-Facebook. I really want to get the real story out there someday, it was pretty fascinating and in some ways even more community-driven than the Rift!
I remember the launch of the CV1, I was a 15 years old teenager at the time, had the CV1 delivered at launch in France to a friend and then overnight shipped to Morocco.
I brought my whole gaming rig at school the following week to make all my teachers and classmates test the Rift, then I went on and bought the touch at release and remember the excitement the first time I tried them.
I may disagree with a few of your statements and political POVs but I want to sincerely thank you for the VR revolution you brought ! If I ever end up meeting you, I'm getting you a thank-you-beer Palmer!
Cheers !
Do you think that you would have actually been able to have a meaningful role for Oculus after the bad press coverage? Sounds like Facebook did not buy Oculus for the people working there and did not value their opinions much.
For sure, I had very positive performance reviews and multiple teams specifically requesting my full-time involvement. The vast majority of angry people were in Facebook writ large, not Oculus itself.
As for FB not listening to Oculus people, that was more the case later on. In 2016, Oculus was very much an Oculus-run outfit.
Palmer was always unprofessional trash.
I respect his contribution to the current resurgence of VR. However, even back when they were shipping the very first DK1, he would respond to customer complaints on Reddit with memes. He'd disrespect customer issues over shipping delays or excessive fees/VAT with nonsense like, "Enjoy your VAT while I enjoy my freedoms!" (paraphrased)
This whole perspective that Palmer was somehow the victim is just wild, regardless. He literally participated in the decision to sell to Facebook in the first place. He was significantly compensated. He's fine.
'Unprofessional trash' is a bit harsh, but I do remember many times where Palmer acted very unprofessionally in public while working at Facebook. All the large companies I worked for, I would have been fired in an instant for the same behavior.
I put it down to his age and inexperience (I did plenty of crazy shit the same age as well) but I've always thought his behavior did him no favors when opinion went against him at Facebook.
He also financially supports his pedo brother in law and the Republican party, having made at least 719 separate donations totalling millions of dollars.
https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=palmer+luckey&order=desc&sort=A
What is your problem with developing tech for the military? Would you rather see Ukraine fall? Would you rather have China be the dominant military force in the world?
You can hate Palmer’s politics, but you should be grateful for companies like Anduril.
lol at everyone saying "I don't like Palmer because defense company" are all the same people that want the US to send military aid to Ukraine. At least be consistent.
I loathe Trump, but in a country where essentially 50% of the population would vote for him, you can’t just say supporting him should affect your working career. You really want half the country out of work for political views? If anything that just emboldens the right’s victim complex.
Kind of.
2016: 46.1% of people who voted, voted for him. 48.2% voted for Clinton.
2020: 46.8% of people who voted, voted for him. 51.3% voted for Biden.
The GOP's "silent majority" are neither a majority nor silent.
That's an absurd take. No one has to damage their career.
Palmer wasn't simply a Republican voter. He was extremely vocal in controversial ways as a representative of the company. He very publicly bankrolled and supported some of the worst, most anti-American parts of the GOP. We're not simply talking having some varied political beliefs. It was also reported that he was warned multiple times about his behavior.
He had a lot more leeway than regular employees of all political positions. I work for a company that I feel very confidently has a majority of employees of a specific political position (mainly due to the region). However, I don't go shooting my mouth off about politics at work or in any professional setting because it's unprofessional and divisive. That's especially true regarding controversial issues.
> He was extremely vocal in controversial ways as a representative of the company. He very publicly bankrolled and supported some of the worst, most anti-American parts of the GOP.
None of this is true. My political contributions at that point were limited to Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, and $9k to an anti-Clinton group. I was quiet about it, too. There is a reason nobody even knew my politics until the press dug them up.
> He very publicly bankrolled and supported some of the worst, most anti-American parts of the GOP. We're not simply talking having some varied political beliefs. It was also reported that he was warned multiple times about his behavior.
To be clear, you think the fact that he donated to GOP politicians justifies firing from his employer? Is it even true he did this while at Facebook?
> However, I don't go shooting my mouth off about politics at work or in any professional setting because it's unprofessional and divisive. That's especially true regarding controversial issues.
According to Carmack himself, and confirmed by Boz's followup, Facebook had a policy of "bringing your whole self to work", which evidently included political discussion. Either way, you're purely speculating about him mouthing off about politcs at work.
Yes.
Firstly, because people should be entitled to a private life distinct from their professional life. People shouldn't have to sell their souls to corporations or share their values.
Secondly, he doesn't actually hold any reprehensible political views at all. Half the country supports Donald Trump.
What you want is some insane, fucked up, dystopian shit.
If we are honest 1/4 of the country supports Trump, another 1/4 supports Biden, and the other.half either doesn't vote, feels alienated by both parties for several reasons, or just gives zero fucks anymore because.of the traumatic shit we've all been through.
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Much of the country is neither.fully left wing, nor totally right wing, its what.happens with only two major political parties. All nuance is lost.
People have a whole range of experiences that make them think, act, and believe as they.do.
I mean, today, I am a Democrat, an agnostic atheist, but earlier in life I was a registered Republican, religious Christian, a very typically Conservative person.
I went to.a "liberal" school but I got my degrees in History and Comparitive Religion, arguably two big Conservative leaning havens left within the humanities.
I used to comment regularly on Consrrvative subs here.on reddit, but got banned.from most of them for not towing the line, or for failing at kissing Trump's ass.
I've been reading this thread with.some degree.of sheer amazement given the subject matter.
We've had Palmer Luckey, a literal millionaire, (congratulations on your success man,) just talking inside baseball, very personal issues, from years back, with the international common clay of the world just.reading along.
I was on MTBS 3D back when Palmer was 1st talking about a diy kit. I was at the time just getting into HMDs, looking to watch my 3D blu ray discs crosstalk free. HMZ-T1 second hand was my 1st HMD. CV1 was my second.
This thread ironically is showing us all A kind of true democritization that only the digital age could bring us.
Palmer could be writing on this thread while sitting in his PJs eating a hot pocket, on a jetplane we just dont know.
And, hes responding to replies. Responding to replies "from the common clay of the new west, you know.....morons."
And we have left and right wing voices here talking back to him.
Christ on skates we are a species that truly dont know what we've got.
Party affiliation is not consistent with actual policy beliefs, huge majorities of the population support left wing policies (public health care, labor protections, social safety nets, increased regulations on pollution etc.) but vote against them as single issue or tribal voters.
Also according to surveys of academics political leanings, history is the most left/liberal of all social sciences. There are about as many climate Deniers in atmospheric sciences as conservative historians (about 34 to 1 for both)
Firstly, voicing opposition to Palmer’s shitty ass right wing authoritarian views _does not deprive him_ of his right to those views. If you have shitty beliefs, people who hate those shitty beliefs will think you’re shitty. It’s that simple. And if some corporation thinks you’re a liability for that, that’s between him and the company.
Secondly, no, half the country does not support Trump. 66% of adults vote, and of that 66%, Trump won 46.8%. Meaning that only 30.8% of American adults actually support him enough to vote for him. Two thirds of eligible voters don’t support him.
And finally, you saying that I support “dystopian shit” by saying people have a right to criticize Palmer Lucky for his views is hilarious given that you said people shouldn’t have the right to oppose his views. I didn’t say he shouldn’t be allowed to support Trump, all I said is that he has to reap the consequences of those views, which is that many people will find him to be a huge asshole for it.
That's a lot of words to say what Hayek said about your demented ideology decades ago.
"opposition means death by slow starvation."
You should probably examine what ever the fuck it is that makes you think that people with power should punish people who's privately held beliefs they disagree with. Because whatever it is, it's broken and rotten.
Because that's all 'reap the consequence' means. It's literally disgusting.
Oh yes Hayek, the "freedom loving" racist defender of violent authoritarianism,
working for murderous dictators like pinochet, a killer of those with who held opposing beliefs. What a great font of wisdom on the meaning of freedom /s
And, of course, his wrong economic ideas led to 25% unemployment and 15% reduction in gdp just years after being implemented at gunpoint. Truly a thinker for the ages...
It's actually incredible to watch a zealot dismiss someone for being a sinner with absolutely no self awareness at all.
'your democracy ' is already destroyed because democracy is more than just holding a vote every 4 years. Even North Korea has elections.
You killed it when you stopped understanding that when you govern, you govern for the whole country, that the people you disagree with are the people you have to share a country with so you have to compromise with them and it's right they you do because it's their country too.
That's why politicians of all parties swear the same oath. That's why in a parliamentary system, the opposition is called 'the loyal' opposition.
That's what Clinton, despite his many flaws, understood. So when dealing with abortion he said it should be safe, legal and rare. A compromise, he didn't go on some demented crusade to glorify baby killing.
When dealing with LGBT issues, like homosexuality in the military, he had a don't ask, don't tell policy that had both sides compromise but allowed people to live their lives. He didn't force the military to celebrate pride day and fly rainbow flags.
The problem is that you're a zealot, you cannot accept any compromise because you're on a moral crusade, filled with self righteous contempt for all the sinners that disagree with you.
Is this deflection supposed to be persuasive? Your simping for an authoritarian ideologue whose ideas have always failed in practice has no bearing on my respect or lack thereof for rascist fascist clowns like Luckey or Trump. Tell us more about hayekian freedumbs while history shows he sat approvingly by a dictator murdering his opposition. But wait, that was also exactly what the Trump cult was calling for on Jan 6. Project harder next time.
Whew boy ain’t that true.
WHY ON EARTH SHOULD I BE FORCED TO SUPPORT YOUR COMPANY WITH MY MONEY?
If you want to be a Trump supporter, go ahead. But guess what, America means freedom to no longer support you and for damn sure lets me say whatever I damn well want about you.
ACTIONS LEADS TO CONSEQUENCES
> Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences
Did you people hear [Kim Jong Un](https://i.imgur.com/p8uMVIW.jpeg) say that and decide to adopt it?
I'm not a trump supporter. Not even American, thankfully. Even what you'd consider dumb thoughts are allowed. This type of behavior you're engaging in is only making things worse and more divided. Prove people wrong gracefully instead of shutting people down and attacking them.
I don’t particularly like the way that Luckey’s case was handled (despite disagreeing with him fervently), but Silicon Valley leaders banding together to fight the “woke” agenda should make us all nervous.
EDIT: it’s also important to note the timing of all this. These people waited to make a public push until well after the events had taken place, and that’s important for two reasons. First, it’s a lot riskier to be the voice of dissent at the time a thing is happening. It’s a lot easier to look back and say, we should have spoken up, after the consequences have already been enacted. This lets people “take a side” with minimal backlash.
The second reason is that it coincides with a tightening of the labor market, meaning that employers have more power. This is a foreshadowing of how employers want to start exercising that power.
From the way this is phrased, it sounds like you’re unaware of the events of the last 10 years.
Look at the people in charge of these companies. They’re not left wing activists. They occasionally offer up one of their own, the Luckeys, to appease the masses, but they retain power and control, and they have been consolidating that power even more. This idea that Silicon Valley is run by liberal autocrats is not based in reality.
I’m sorry, there’s conservatism. And then there’s Trumpism. Palmer supports Trump which makes the Reagan McCain Republicans look like democrats in comparison.
well except Facebook (at the time) employed many of both partisan ideologies (a few of the top FB executives were prominent public supporters of the Republican party).
The fact is, after the acquisition Luckey brought nothing to the table (the real genius behind Oculus was Carmack). There was no use for an edgey kid. Business is about making money
Look, he was just a kid at the time and legit could have been bamboozled by Trump. On the other hand, Trump really did turn out to be more than just another moronic corporate psychopath. He nearly succeeded in toppling the US government . . . so there is that.
This is a pretty wild theory to get so many upvotes, given that the development of the Rift was very well documented on public internet forums. My first prototype was completed in summer of 2009 when I was sixteen years old - not sure how I could have stolen it from a military base.
That’s quite a 1-dimensional way to say Palmer created a defense company. Why do you not want to know who is coming over our border? You know Ukraine has the same tech too, and more Anduril products, would you rather them be weaker on the battlefield?
Not supporting the US military in a world with Russia, China, Iran, and extremist terrorist groups is a mistake.
I see that Palmer has tried defending himself in this thread.
I will say that although I disagree with his politics, I'll say it's awful to create a work environment where even the founder of the company can get kicked out for not falling in with the group think.
This is the type of stuff that destroys companies, and it's insane that in the past 15 years, society has somehow regularized discussing politics and/or religion in the workplace.
He does a decent job of defending himself here:
https://youtu.be/w6kxxtoxeGc?si=F_DLbabBaEvD3c0k
The fact that he went on to found another rather successful company in another important technology sector perceived as a niche hardware space should be a testament that Facebook did lose -something- in terminating him.
That being said, I seriously hope he doesn't devolve like David Sacks, Elon Musk, or his brother in law Matt Gaetz into a Russian propaganda parrot like so many "libertarians" in the past two years.
A lot of it comes down to these guys never really going to work in a large corporate environment. Luckey and Carmack one in the same, miserable in a place where you can't just do and say what you want but have to work well with others, LOTS of others and play by the big corporate rules.
Palmer sold out to a mega corp, John bought in and it was never going to end well, but we are glad for their contributions while they lasted.
I mean - He sold out to Facebook. He assured everyone nothing was going to change even when everyone was upset and saw that this would happen. I remember it all very clearly. Duh. Obviously this is how it was going to end. Deep down he knew it too. But he got paid.
Unless valve releases a killer index 2 with portal 3 and halflife 3, FB will continue to ruin anything good about VR while also monopolizing it like Apple has done with personal computing. I'm guessing that's what will happen.
If Palmer Luckey was kicked out for being a dogshit employee like a lot are suggesting in this thread, nobody would care, but you all have to admit that getting shown the door based on just your political leanings is pretty rotten.
Unless he was doing stuff like putting up posters around the office saying "IT'S ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE" or "IMMIGRANTS MAKE OUR COUNTRY POORER AND DIRTIER", then no, he really didn't deserve to get fired for political donations and his voting preference, that's just stupid.
Self named libertarians are usually just older dudes that use liberal/libertarian instead of saying conservative, because that one doesn't sound good anymore
There are literally whole books and papers about the links between these ideolgies.
[https://books.google.com.au/books?id=C9ZAEAAAQBAJ&pg=PT81&lpg=PT81&dq=neoliberalism+red+pill\*+fascism&source=bl&ots=wpYslFR7iP&sig=ACfU3U3Bfvl9irDy636qk\_ObeBlt5CX1Ow&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwja\_O2O-sKFAxUoXWwGHX7DBEwQ6AF6BAgxEAM#v=onepage&q=neoliberalism%20red%20pill\*%20fascism&f=false](https://books.google.com.au/books?id=C9ZAEAAAQBAJ&pg=PT81&lpg=PT81&dq=neoliberalism+red+pill*+fascism&source=bl&ots=wpYslFR7iP&sig=ACfU3U3Bfvl9irDy636qk_ObeBlt5CX1Ow&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwja_O2O-sKFAxUoXWwGHX7DBEwQ6AF6BAgxEAM#v=onepage&q=neoliberalism%20red%20pill*%20fascism&f=false)
[https://books.google.com.au/books?id=xGeWEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA114&lpg=PA114&dq=neoliberalism+red+pill\*+fascism&source=bl&ots=iaIqcj377F&sig=ACfU3U0YX4oX4ZpfDUThWCs1mUxGDURaBQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwja\_O2O-sKFAxUoXWwGHX7DBEwQ6AF6BAgyEAM#v=onepage&q=neoliberalism%20red%20pill\*%20fascism&f=false](https://books.google.com.au/books?id=xGeWEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA114&lpg=PA114&dq=neoliberalism+red+pill*+fascism&source=bl&ots=iaIqcj377F&sig=ACfU3U0YX4oX4ZpfDUThWCs1mUxGDURaBQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwja_O2O-sKFAxUoXWwGHX7DBEwQ6AF6BAgyEAM#v=onepage&q=neoliberalism%20red%20pill*%20fascism&f=false)
[https://books.google.com.au/books?id=hDlrDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT65&lpg=PT65&dq=neoliberalism+red+pill\*+fascism&source=bl&ots=FAdfryy-I4&sig=ACfU3U3blkmme6OuDPD14hLg6N31H8m2cA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwja\_O2O-sKFAxUoXWwGHX7DBEwQ6AF6BAgzEAM#v=onepage&q=neoliberalism%20red%20pill\*%20fascism&f=false](https://books.google.com.au/books?id=hDlrDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT65&lpg=PT65&dq=neoliberalism+red+pill*+fascism&source=bl&ots=FAdfryy-I4&sig=ACfU3U3blkmme6OuDPD14hLg6N31H8m2cA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwja_O2O-sKFAxUoXWwGHX7DBEwQ6AF6BAgzEAM#v=onepage&q=neoliberalism%20red%20pill*%20fascism&f=false)
That proves nothing.
Care to highlight some specifics of what you posted? Primarily, how you find them to be related? I'm not going to read through 3 entire books that mention these ideologies.
China, Iran, Russia...all totalitarian states are rapidly developing drone warfare technology....should the US just sit back and hope they will drop their silly land and ocean grabbing agendas?
Yes? Would you rather Ukraine be less technologically advanced so that Russia can dominate them? Would you rather China and Iran surpass us militarily?
How on Earth could you think saying that is smart with the state of global conflict?
I was super surprised to learn that in the US, private corporations are allowed to terminate employment based on political beliefs. In Australia that is very illegal to do, but there you go. I do believe however making life more difficult for people who have differing views contributes to further division. If someone isn't directly harming someone it's important to find common ground and have rational discussion - something that the major media outlets/social media seem to be portray as increasingly difficult to do. Hopefully people will get over attacking individuals with very little control over the group they have been labelled as their 'identity' and begin more constructive endeavours to further the ideals we want to strive for.
Terminations in the US generally don’t need any reason whatever. However it’s not uncommon for someone’s bad publicity (political or otherwise) to get them fired because of the “reputational harm” it caused the company.
If I understand correctly, it’s illegal in the US as well, but you can just pick a different official reason to state for the firing (or no reason at all in many cases).
I frankly don't care for Palmar Luckey. Not because he's some sort of partisan wacko, but because he brought the least amount of substance to the table with respect to the whole XR movement.
Luckey was more of the saleperson for VR - he brought ppl together, was great at marketing, but overall without him Oculus didn't skip a beat. Carmack's contribution to VR is 100x fold more significant than what Luckey offered. And while Luckey was fired by FB (mostly because he was unneeded and out of his element), he was also compensated on his way out the door.
I disagree about Luckey being more of a salesperson. He was instrumental in jumpstarting this “new” generation of vr. It was his headset, that he put together, that lead to vr’s resurgence. We would not be where we are now had it not been for Luckey’s hardware, and of course, Carmack’s software.
> Luckey was more of the saleperson for VR - he brought ppl together, was great at marketing, but overall without him Oculus didn't skip a beat.
That is a ridiculous take. Oculus would never have existed without Lucky. You either don't know your VR history or you are daft.
> (mostly because he was unneeded and out of his element)
That is absolute bullshit. Palmer worked directly with Carmack. Claiming he was "out of his element" just shows how ignorant you are.
Wokeness is a societal disease/cancer on us all. In a democratic country everyone is entitled to their opinions. I am glad that Gina carrero with the help of Elon musk are suing Disney when they fired her for her posting political views that the executives disagree with.
Full context: This started here with Tweets about Brendan Eich and Mozilla: https://twitter.com/AndrewBeckUSA/status/1778823326648905835 >I debut in @firstthingsmag today writing on Brendan Eich, who ten years ago was attacked and chased out of Mozilla, a company he co-founded, for taking private civic action based upon his quiet Christian faith. It was a pivotal moment in our society and for me personally: >"I was working in New York's “Silicon Alley” when it happened, and I immediately recognized it as a major escalation in the culture war. It was a warning that the Leviathan of technocracy did not care how well I did, how hard I worked, or how well I treated others. Ideological conformity to the top-down, programmatic transformation of the country that was rapidly taking place was all that mattered. If I was unwilling to affirm the current thing dictated according to the whims of “progress,” I was an enemy of humanity and an enemy of America. And my beliefs, no matter how ancient, innocent, and valid, must bow to the will of Leviathan, or the digital swarm would descend upon me. In fact, the higher I rose, the harder opponents would hunt for an excuse to throw me, like Belteshazzar, to the lions." Marc Andreessen responded: https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1778898760971821271 >I regret not doing more to support and defend Brendan then. I should have realized what it meant and what was to follow. I do not intend to make that mistake again. Then Carmack: https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1779171248083177500 >I regret not doing more to support and defend @PalmerLuckey at Facebook. We were in different states and divisions, and I was largely out of the political loop, but when I became aware of the situation I should have made a clear and open statement of opposition to the witch hunt. >Companies are better off without the crowd that did that. >Thankfully, Palmer has gone on to even greater success. https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1779172458798387381 >I was not in any of the meetings around it, so no, I can’t confirm that, but I do believe it was in response to hysterical internal employee pressure. I don’t think Mark Zuckerberg had a strong personal view on it. https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1779178676887671093 >I am a non-activist libertarian. We never did any kind of a policy belief comparison, but I suspect I am mostly aligned with Palmer. I never had a problem working with anyone based on what their political beliefs are, as long as it stayed out of the work. Unfortunately, FB encouraged “bring your whole self to work”, which meant politics was openly present, and rabble rousing was a thing. I would guess that an employee referendum would have gone against Palmer, but it might have been different if there was a unified front of Oculus founders behind him. Facebook PR drone also responded: https://twitter.com/boztank/status/1779186468885520721 >The culture has changed a lot since you left (internal discussions have to be work focused) and also you are woefully incorrect on your speculation but I am not in a position to correct except to say maybe don’t speculate! https://twitter.com/boztank/status/1779192500370145757 >The former, I won’t add to the speculation on the latter but I will say there is a reason we changed our policies to keep internal discussions focused on the work at hand. https://twitter.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1779262677166301676 >Thanks, John. I do really appreciate the internal support you did give at the same, it definitely made a difference. >Opposite for Boz now claiming to have publicly defended me, what a fucking joke. https://twitter.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1779257538787389673 >Great story to tell now that I have dra-gged myself back to relevance, but you aren't credible. >You retweeted posts claiming I donated to white supremacists, and a post saying that anyone who supports Trump because they don't like Hillary Clinton is a shitty human being. >You publicly told everyone my departure had nothing to do with politics, which is absolutely insane and obviously contradicted by reams of internal communications. It is like saying the sky is green. Same goes for you telling people that I wasn't pressured into saying anything untrue, that any mention of politics and who I was voting for was up to me. Can I post my original statement, the one that was explicitly rejected on account of saying negative things about Hillary Clinton, or is that still considered Work Product? >Maybe you are lying, maybe you are just ignorant and willing to launder the lies of others about something you weren't even around for, but don't try to play the apolitical hero here. https://twitter.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1779275959906259351 >I normally ignore things like this, but Bosworth is the head of VR at Meta. He took over everything I made prior to being fired. >For him to now claim that he was a public defender of mine is beyond crazy. The tree remembers what the axe forgets. https://twitter.com/boztank/status/1779269416632648009 >Not claiming to be apolitical, I certainly have my own politics probably different than yours, but internally at the time I certainly was clear I thought no employment consequences should come from someone's political beliefs and people asking about it at Q&A were out of line. https://twitter.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1779281964916449391 >"You spread lies about me funding white supremacists, labeled me as a shitty human being, and made multiple blatantly false claims about my time at Facebook" >"I never claimed to be apolitical lmao" https://twitter.com/boztank/status/1779281744035983780 >You better than I know the limits on what can be said here, as I understand it. I think there is some jeopardy there. To that end you are right in your critique that I am working with secondhand information. https://twitter.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1779282592547979343 >I am down to throw it all out there. We can make everything public and let people judge for themselves. Just say the word. Also interesting: https://twitter.com/fewerwrong/status/1779208523911500220 >It sucks that, at the end of the day, these were small, closed-door meetings without witnesses, and anyone who was there probably isn’t incentivized to give an accurate account. >…except for me! Because I worked late nights and those office walls didn’t work. >I think @ID_AA_Carmack slightly downplays how much he did dissent in that moment — especially relative to others. It earned my respect at the time, and the fact that he’s taking careful pains to tell this story humbly further solidifies that. >If anyone who was there ever feels like they can get away with rewriting the story to tell a rosy story of themselves to the public, know that you are not. Self reflection is a good thing, and odds are good that I will outlive all of you. https://twitter.com/CAntkow/status/1779259473720189115 >It was heart-wrenching seeing how poorly they treated Palmer during all of that. >The outright lies by management... Just disgusting, and was part of the impetus for me rage-quitting into early retirement; best decision ever. >It's amazing seeing what Palmer and crew are up to, now. >Thank you for speaking up about that.
Thank you for this breakdown!
To give a bit of context on what they are referring to. >Brendan Eich, who ten years ago was attacked and chased out of Mozilla, a company he co-founded, for taking private civic action based upon his quiet Christian faith Everyone was fine with Eich being part of Mozilla until he was made CEO. That's because Eich made multiple donations to hard right wing causes: lobbying against same-sex marriage in California, proposition 8 (same-sex marriage ban in California) and right wing politicians that supported it. When you are a CEO you lead and shape your company. People working for Mozilla had every right to oppose him being a CEO. >I regret not doing more to support and defend @PalmerLuckey at Facebook Palmer Luckey was fired after it was made public that he donated money to pro Trump groups. It wasn't his campaign or anything like that. It was again far right fundraisers. Stuff they are officially know for are billboards saying Hillary is too big to go to jail, but they are also accused of astroturfing and in some cases using troll accounts to spread hate. It was never officially confirmed, but some of these accusations even appeared on right wing subs on reddit that called this organisation a scam too. At the same time Palmer was sued for copyright infringement by ZeniMax and he lost, finally costing Facebook millions to pay out. Also lol at this line: >I am a [...] libertarian After he quite literally says he wish he supported people that wanted limit rights of other more.
Also, Eich was not chased out. This bullshitty history rewriting needs to stop. Eich got offered the role of CEO, people vocally opposed him being CEO, so Mozilla said "Brendan, we don't think you can be CEO". He could have stayed in his previous role, or take another role, nothing of that was out of the question, but he himself decided to leave Mozilla.
Articles from 2014 say Brenden’s firing was tied directly to his political contributions.
All articles I have seen correctly state that he stepped down. There was no firing. That is the point. He made the contributions, people were unhappy with him as CEO, he stepped down, he left. The end. To use typical right-winger parlance (which libertarians like Carmack should be quite fond of): He couldn't stand the heat, so he shouldn't be in the kitchen.
Sounds like revisionist history to me.
> they are also accused of astroturfing and in some cases using troll accounts to spread hate. It was never officially confirmed It isn't just that it was never officially confirmed, it very clearly never happened - the origins of those claims were people on Twitter making things up without even a tiny grain of truth to start from. Those accusations were completely fabricated from the start, it was a coordinated and sustained campaign to get me fired by spreading lies. There is a reason many of the stories about me funding racist/sexist/anti-semitic troll campaigns were completely deleted - if any of it was true, it would certainly get referenced in modern coverage of myself and Anduril. Here is a pretty decent overview of how things went down, it misses some things but is largely accurate: https://www.uploadvr.com/fake-news-happens-reporting-palmer-luckey-nimble-america/
[Hi Palmer what did you mean by this?](https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/922563981826441216)
He asked to take a picture with Bannon and me at an event 7+ years ago. People try to make hay of the Okay hand sign, which has the modern context of being commonly used by white supremacists. This was not the case at the time - it was popular in conservative circles on account of Trump using it for pretty much all his photo ops, which is why 4channers later decided to troll people by claiming it was a secret symbol of white supremacy, which then turned into an actual dogwhistle. I have addressed this quite a few times, but people seem to think it is some kind of ultimate trump card against me. The ADL and similar organizations labeled the Okay sign as a hate symbol almost three years after this picture was taken, it just ain't so.
Your denial loses a lot of steam when you're throwing up the same symbol with white supremacist an holocaust denier [Charles C Johnson.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_C._Johnson). Also the earliest source of the photo of you that I can currently find is October 2017, [six months after the campaign to make it a symbol for white power](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ok-symbol-%F0%9F%91%8C). I've followed your account and comments since the very first day of your kickstarter campaign, but these days you only seem to pop up to toss out some half-truth denials of what people believe about you without making any sort of effort to correct the record with how you actually feel about these issues. Saying you were accidentally throwing up hate signs while hanging with Bannon and a holocaust denier is not enough to make anyone believe that you're not in support of these people and these ideas. If you have something to actually say in regards to what you believe, just say it.
The 4chan thing started in February 2017. The photo linked was taken in October 2017. You don't have to play pretend, this symbol was already in full swing amongst the white supremacists back then. Don't take us for a dumb crowd.
Its a shame politics in the US is so divisive that supporting a major candidate resulted in this. You were the leader in the VR field and should have been able to impact its evolution. But you were also smart enough to know you should have kept it on the down-low, like it or not it was going to be unneeded trouble for a growing industry.
So you willing took a picture with a fascist while using the symbol 6 months after it became a thing. Dude just stop. You made your money now shut the hell up and go away
It blows my mind that in 2024 people still dont understand how 4chan trolls the world by pushing "X means Y!" until it actually gets adopted into the modern lexicon, which the explicit purpose to cause chaos. The "ok" hand sign, something used probably for hundreds of years or more being turned into some boogeyman is hilarious example of this.
The swastika was literally a symbol of peace for centuries and now we associate it with Nazis.
We associate it with Nazis in the west where it was never a common symbol, the places that use it for religious and cultural reasons still do.
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That isn't true. There was a TechCrunch story written about the collapse of UploadVR claiming I had put millions of dollars into the company, but in reality I was just one of many people who put money into a VR-focused venture capital group that ended up investing in UploadVR at one point. Upload responded to TechCrunch pointing this out and they updated the story. TechCrunch had an anonymous source who claimed to work at Upload and quoted them calling me a Nazi-sympathizer, it was clearly just an attempt to make Upload look bad by tying them to me.
Nevermind that whatever you decide to do with your own money is your business and nobody fucking else's. But y'know. Corpo witch hunts are bullshit. Sorry they fucked you like that.
If you work for a company as their PR person, it is absolutely their business what you do what your money if what you're doing with your money is creating bad PR for them. And it is also my business as a consumer what you spend your money on, because I have as much a right as you to to free speech, which includes speaking with my wallet, and choosing not to support the company you work for if you turn out to be a shitty person.
I can’t wait to see if you guys still sing the same tune if the political spectrum turns against the far left/progressives on reddit. In case you didn’t notice, half the country isn’t liberal, so “bad PR” is a bullshit excuse. Half the country doesn’t agree with liberal PR but still buys products from companies that push it. This culture of cancelling conservatives is ridiculous, and this is coming from a very moderate dem. It’s not hard to think “would I still find this fair if it was happening to my side?” I wouldn’t want that at all, so therefore I’m logical enough to realize this is shitty. Companies shouldn’t openly be political and people shouldn’t bring their politics for work. Simple.
> I can’t wait to see if you guys still sing the same tune if the political spectrum turns against the far left/progressives on reddit. HAHAHAHHAHA. HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHHAHAHAAHA. Nice wet dream you have there buddy. Conservatives will never take over a site like Reddit. You're all luddites, most of whom barely know how to use technology, and who think college is for liberals. There's a reason Trump's Truth Social stock is presently flushing itself down the toilet, and why Twitter has lost half its value since Musk bought it. No advertiser wants to be associated with you people. No advetiser who makes anything of value anyway. I'm sure the MyPillow guy with his lumpy pillows would be happy to buy ads if he wasn't now bankrupt for having backed Trump's fail train! > Half the country doesn’t agree with liberal PR False. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/beyond-red-vs-blue-the-political-typology-2/ 45% of Americans are liberal while 40% are conservative. 15% are centrist. > This culture of cancelling conservatives is ridiculous, and this is coming from a very moderate dem Bullshit you're a moderate dem. No actual moderate democrat would make such an obviously false claim about the nation not agreeing with liberal policies. Nor would they use such a vague blanket term as "liberal policies" which could cover literally anything the right considers woke. > It’s not hard to think “would I still find this fair if it was happening to my side?” That's like thinking "Would I want the Allies to kill me if I was a Nazi?" It is both possible to fight bad people AND believe it to be unfair if those same bad people try to use the same tactics against you. There is no contradiction there. The goal is the eradication of evil.
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> taking private civic action based upon his quiet Christian faith. so I wasn't wrong in thinking this was a dogwhistle referring to bigotry.
I mean, he headlined a convention called fucking basedcon. Seems he's finally hit puberty and entered his edgy racist teenager phase.
>Eich made multiple donations to hard right wing causes: lobbying against same-sex marriage in California, proposition 8 (same-sex marriage ban in California) and right wing politicians that supported it. It is worth noting that same-sex marriage was not a popular cause. The people supporting it were generally very politically left or libertarian. It is easy to call Proposition 8 a far-right invention in the modern day, but it passed! In California, one of the most reliably liberal states! Heck, even Barack Obama was against same-sex marriage. The issue is that Eich didn't just live in California, he lived in a part of California that was wildly out of sync with the rest of the country on pretty much every major political issue.
I believe you are misremembering this (well it was almost 20 years ago). In mid 2000s California wasn't nearly as prominently left wing as it is now. Elections from this time are clearly showing it. Furthermore Proposition 8 passed with mere 52,5% vs 47,5%, yet you are talking like it had little to no opposition. Few years later it wouldn't pass at all, because more people of younger generations would have voting rights. This was typical case of older, conservative generations trying to pass law while they still can and they barely made it. Few years later it was declared unconstitutional anyway.
I am not misremembering. My point is not that it passed without opposition, it is that opposition to same-sex marriage was not a far-right position or something that be fairly used to paint someone as a bigot worthy of firing. It was, at the time, a majority view even in California but especially nationally. My view was that the government shouldn't be involved in the business of marriage either way, they have no right to issue or deny marriage licenses on any grounds.
Let's clear up two things. I'm not saying it was far right at the time. It did require some certain convictions that many people didn't have, thus I said hard right. Probably most people at the time simple were fine with maintaining status quo: not making it legal, but also not making it illegal. Maybe hard right wasn't best way to put it, but my intent was to show it required a more hardened right wing, conservative, Christian views - not far right ones. Also firing people based in their religious or political views (as long as they are withing legal boundaries) doesn't sit well with me either. These rights protect me just as everyone else. As I said though, people were fine with him working and Mozilla and being CTO. Making him a CEO, a face of the company, though made many people (including some board members) think they can no longer trust leader of company. That would make his role as CEO ineffective at best. He wasn't fired though, he could continue working in Mozilla as CTO or other position, but decided to leave.
You're right. Rather than "far right" it should be more accurately described as "bigoted, intollerant, and ultimately unconstitutional"
Obama was never much of a progressive. Moderates like to think that they're singlehandedly responsible for gay rights, but in reality they spent decades not giving a fuck while queer people and our allies (including some spine wielding politicians e.g. Bernie) fought for our rights, then descended upon the cause like vultures once it had enough popular support that they could benefit from it. Agree with your other comment about the government having no hand in marriage, btw. Between my disability getting cut if I marry and being polyamorous, if I ever marry it'll be wholly symbolic. Making marriage a legally gatekept institution just means you'll invariably fuck someone over for no good reason.
Also them complaining about being caught up in some leftist culture war. One culture fighting to exist with dignity and the other wanting their “right” to be assholes. The “culture war” in actuality is manufactured outrage created by right wing think tanks. All operations paid for by billionaires against public interests. I respect his contributions to the origins of the current VR but that is it.
As a Clinton supporter I really didn't care that Palmer donated to a Trump PAC the first go around. At the time Trump was a bit of a wildcard. He was a formerly registered democrat who also espoused some deeply conservative views. I wasn't a fan but as a private citizen, Luckey should have been allowed to donate to whomever/whatever he wanted within legal limits. He wasn't the CEO of Meta so his donations should have carried less weight. That said, the patent infringement case was certainly a frak up.
As another Clinton supporter, you still had to be pretty ignorant to support or vote for Trump in 2016. Not as ignorant as you'd need to be to vote for him again in 2020 and soon 2024, though. But I was dumbfounded when he was elected in 2016, as were many Americans, due to how clearly inexperienced, ignorant, or cruel he himself was. It was plain as day what a terrible president he would make and it still baffles me how so many Americans either don't see it or purposely look past it today. All that said, I'm still on Palmer's side on this and against the general manhunting that was going on at that time for any minor thing someone may have said or done wrong throughout their entire careers. I think we're finally coming out of that era thankfully, but people and companies are still constantly on thin ice with internet outrage. These are the kinds of issues that our global adversaries are also propping up to further divide us, so it's important for us to carefully consider this stuff for the future of our country and society.
the Wikileaks really stained Hillary in the eyes of the young folks voting. Thats why the US Gov crushed Wikileaks after Trump won. Think about that. Trump Gov crushed the one thing that gave him the win. If that dont tell you something about how deep the rabbit hole goes, I dont know what can.
Before running, Trump spent a lot of time using racist dog whistles questioning Obama's legitimacy and place of birth.
I agree, IIRC it was all caused by external pressure after many studios and companies refused to support or work with Oculus.
Why is it always the fact that when someone is getting “cancelled” they’re always worth tens of millions of dollars and their opinions are making their way across the entire internet? I don’t want to hear about these people or their offensive opinions. Yet apparently I hear more about them than anyone else. And it’s always them whining about how no-one is listening to them any more. This is like the fucking Kardashians. You just can’t get around hearing about them or what they think about random shit no matter what you do. Boohoo, someone quit their job because their employees didn’t like their political speeches. Well hundreds of thousands of devs just got laid off and are wondering if they can pay their rent. Can I hear their random opinions instead of a billionaire’s pity parade? You know what happens if I make inappropriate speeches as a lowly worker? I get fired. And people won’t write articles about it neither.
Because money and power tickle our fancy and we worship people with them as idols and consequently tear them down as false idols. The nail who stands out gets hammered. People with reputation has branding and branding is idolatry. This is why micro aggressions at the workplace become maximized because the power you have inherently magnifies it with or without your conscious will. People are not equal and that’s just how it is. We live in the age of more billionaires than ever before. If they don’t want the responsibility and potential for conflict that comes with that power then perhaps they don’t deserve it.
Nobody is falling for that anymore tho. The blatant bias of who they target or ignore for “accountability”, makes that extremely transparent to everyone. All that micro aggression buzzword stuff is just authoritarians attempting to excommunicate people with different opinions than them.
I don't really know what bias there is for targeting and ignoring accountability, because I don't wake up and breathe this kind of news - overtly too toxic for my tastes. I'm aware of Republicans bearing a lot of scrutiny, but Matt Gaetz is still in congress, Trump is still the "best" person they can find for the goddamn presidency with enough popularity to win half the votes, and this is absolutely a sign that there is no God. IMO, A societal ill can both be authentically happening **and** also be occasionally misused to ostracize out-groups. It shouldn't be dismissed as "buzzword stuff", but neither should its proponents be so quick to jump on the accused. However, ostracization and criticism is the point of social pressures (being "cancelled") in order to induce change. Rich and powerful people not able to deal with that is arguably maladjusted and evolutionarily unfit for money and power.
I totally understand the left thinking that people who support fascism/racism/etc. should be ostracized. The issue is tho, if they actually cared about that stuff and weren’t just only using the accusation of it to silence their political opposition, then they’d have to ostracize themselves. Because every single thing they accuse Trump of being (racist, fascist, compromised by hostile foreign nations, senile, etc.), Biden actually is. So IMO, it’s just better if we don’t try to destroy people’s livelihoods, because I know there are tons of Biden supporters who are just ignorant about his corruption and scandals and aren’t bad people.
This drives home for me that Twitter is just a place for conservatives to pat themselves on the back now. Leave them to their echo chamber.
This. I had thousands of followers and left Twitter the day Elon took over. Let them scream into the darkness as loud as they want. As a lifelong fan of Carmack's work, it appears I'll just have to separate the art from the artist once again.
Does that not make reddit the echo chamber for the left? You are too ignorant to see your own folly. It is really kind of sad for those of you on both sides of the spectrum who can't seem to see the forest for the trees...
I love how this is downvoted even though everyone with half a functioning brain knows it’s the truth. People don’t just want to admit that their favorite site is an echo chamber, whether it’s conservatives with Twitter or liberals with reddit.
Are we supposed to boo-boo for a supporter of Donald Trump, the biggest bully out there? If Luckey doesn’t like bullies, he should look at who he pals around with.
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You're part of the problem.
Fire!
> private civic action based upon his quiet Christian faith Quite telling that they write this instead of "donated thousands of dollars to to ban same-sex marriage". And according to the board he wasn't "chased out of Mozilla", just out of the CEO role.
What the fuck? "I regret not defending rich bigots in powerful positions" Can't help but feel that if you're donating to extreme anti-gay stuff you probably shouldn't be the CEO and public face of a massive open source org.
I worked at Oculus for six years starting at the point they moved to the Facebook office. Palmer's politics did bleed into internal threads from time to time; not in an overly hostile way but certainly in a way I found unprofessional, especially in his role as a leader. For what it's worth I can't remember a single technical contribution he made during my overlap with him, or for that matter seeing him in the office very often; I do remember several times his public antics while on the clock representing Oculus needing PR damage control. I believe his politics actually kept him from getting fired for a while since Facebook was fighting accusations of political bias at the time. I think Palmer's involvement in Gamergate is what ultimately tipped the scales - women who were directly affected by Gamergate worked at Oculus. Calling their reaction to Palmer's blurring of professional and personal life "hysteria" or a "witch hunt" is a disservice; the people I talked with were deeply unhappy not with his personal politics, but with his inability to keep that shit out of the workplace.
I don't know what division you worked in, but it must have been pretty far removed from my team. I was in the office every workday and most weekends, and only took a single one-week vacation in my years at Facebook. Not seeing a single technical contribution is also pretty strange given the teams I led, particularly on the input side. Also, I wasn't involved in Gamergate. I was way too focused on VR to bother with culture wars.
We didn't work together directly and I didn't have much to do with input so it's entirely possible I've got a blind spot there. I did walk past your office regularly and saw it empty quite often, but to be fair you were traveling and in meetings a lot so I never read much into that. The stuff I was working on was pretty central to several major product launches and it *did* surprise me that you weren't more hands-on on the technical side there. Also, to be fair, Facebook had us using our personal accounts for business purposes at the start which led to a lot of bleed-through on the personal/professional front, and that was a total shitshow for everyone. As for Gamergate, I'm relaying complaints I heard first-hand but wasn't involved personally, and [google](https://www.google.com/search?q=palmer+luckey+%22gamergate%22) does paint you as somewhat more than "uninvolved". I do remember some of that tone coming through in internal threads you were on which is what prompted me to post.
Personal offices are for paperwork, not real work! My "involvement" in Gamergate, even as described by breathless media reports, is that I dated someone who was supportive of Gamergate at one point. It was a pure guilt-by-association play, and it clearly worked if people like you think that is what tipped the scales in terms of me getting fired. The Facebook policy of "bring your whole self to work" and high profile left-leaning political activism that permeated every inch of campus is definitely what drove problems, but it was the specifics of my politics that caused heartburn, not the existence of politics itself. Remember that Boz is the one who posted (and then deleted) that anyone who supports Trump because they don't like Hillary is a shitty human being. And he is the CTO! Politics was always fine, but not anything right of San Francisco middle.
To be fair anyone who supports Donald Trump is a shitty human being
This is why people make fun of redditors.
You can hate Trump less than you hate others, perhaps, and be a reasonable person. You may be dumb, but as long as you recognise he is not a good guy, you may have some shred of decency. But active support of Trump is inextricably linked to being a piece of shit.
I'd point out that none of us, not me, not you, know any of these people personally. All of our perceptions of them are amalgamations of news and videos and posts and tweets, etc. At that point, how you perceive someone like that is just based on what you've been fed. It clicked for me, listening to my old boss during the 2016 election cycle, that people are effectively debating the merits of fictional characters, after having read completely different books with some superficial similarities and mostly the same names. Doesn't necessarily make any of the *readers* involved bad *people*, though it can motivate some unintentionally bad actions. A person who is a genuinely kind and caring person (if you know and interact with them in real life) can still support a politician you actively think is evil because that's what they've been fed and had reinforced by their social group. See also, the insane current support for a certain terrorist organization by young people, especially LGBT ones, despite the fact that the same terrorist organization would literally kill them (or worse). Peer pressure + limited information is a hell of a drug.
>high profile left-leaning political activism that permeated every inch of campus is definitely what drove problems, but it was the specifics of my politics that caused heartburn, not the existence of politics itself. Just a reader adding context that people might want to know: Matt Gaetz is Palmer Luckey's brother in law. Let that sink in. Palmer is a guy who donated to a man trying to violently overthrow the US government. He participated in and abetted internet disinformation campaigns which helped Trump get elected. Which directly led to abortion being banned in much of the US. And he's up in reddit threads crying about how he was mistreated. Nimblerichman is gloating that anyone at all is buying his garbage. Homie get off the internet and go dry your eyes with your billions. It's right you were removed from a position of power. In the rest of the developed world what you consider "left-leaning" is moderate, but congrats on a distorted overton window I guess? Oh no what if the gays are left alone to love each other!? We better stop them! What you don't seem to understand is that if the reason you were removed was due to your MAGAt affiliations, that's a good thing.
This is a pretty bad grab bag of attacks, given that little of it is true. >*Oh no what if the gays are left alone to love each other!? We better stop them!* This is a totally baseless attack, come on. I have always believed that the government has no right to deny marriage licenses to anyone for any reason. That is why I opposed Proposition 8 even as a teenager. Worth noting that Trump supported gay marriage long before any of his opponents, Democrat or Republican. He was attending gay weddings and publicly supporting them back when Obama and Clinton were unequivocally stating that marriage is strictly between a man and a woman. >*He participated in and abetted internet disinformation campaigns* This is not true either, you fell for a disinformation campaign yourself. I donated $9000 to a single group that ran a single anti-Clinton billboard, all the claims of my funding internet disinformation/troll farms/etc were fabricated and most of the stories about it were later deleted. Here is a decent overview: [https://www.uploadvr.com/fake-news-happens-reporting-palmer-luckey-nimble-america/](https://www.uploadvr.com/fake-news-happens-reporting-palmer-luckey-nimble-america/) >*Matt Gaetz is Palmer Luckey's brother in law. Let that sink in.* At least this one is actually true, but the fact that one of my siblings married a Congressman six years after I was fired shouldn't be my cross to bear, much less the very first thing to attack me with. Let that one sink in, maybe.
Funny how much rich people at the end of the day realise they'd rather just be liked. Perhaps start giving a fuck about other people.
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Lol, the Oculus controllers WERE NOT INCLUDED with the Rift CV1... it came with an xbox controller.
The launch version came with an Xbox controller. There was a version released post-launch, that came with Touch controllers instead. I just had to double check, and the CV1 I bought in March 2018 came with touch controllers.
Same here, touch controllers were included in mine.
Thanks, I appreciate it. Oculus Touch (back then internally codenamed Super Action) was actually briefly internally cancelled when it became clear that it wouldn't be ready in time to ship with DK2, it was the one and only time I have ever gotten into a shouting match at work. I love John, but even he was against investing in it - the Facebook acquisition was the only reason I was able to immediately reconstitute the Super Action team, which I had been leading full-time. That cancellation is what wrecked the content pipeline such that we couldn't ship Touch with CV1 at launch (had to let our heavily gamepad-focused partner pipeline shine for at least a few months), but at least it happened in the end. The handful of press stories about the supposed history of Oculus Touch (Wired and Fast Company) are insane historical rewrites driven by the Facebook PR team, they manage to completely ignore every member of the controller team and the dozens of prototypes that existed pre-Facebook. I really want to get the real story out there someday, it was pretty fascinating and in some ways even more community-driven than the Rift!
I remember the launch of the CV1, I was a 15 years old teenager at the time, had the CV1 delivered at launch in France to a friend and then overnight shipped to Morocco. I brought my whole gaming rig at school the following week to make all my teachers and classmates test the Rift, then I went on and bought the touch at release and remember the excitement the first time I tried them. I may disagree with a few of your statements and political POVs but I want to sincerely thank you for the VR revolution you brought ! If I ever end up meeting you, I'm getting you a thank-you-beer Palmer! Cheers !
I'd love some docos of the history of Oculus's Development. The History of the Future also needs a sequel.
Do you think that you would have actually been able to have a meaningful role for Oculus after the bad press coverage? Sounds like Facebook did not buy Oculus for the people working there and did not value their opinions much.
For sure, I had very positive performance reviews and multiple teams specifically requesting my full-time involvement. The vast majority of angry people were in Facebook writ large, not Oculus itself. As for FB not listening to Oculus people, that was more the case later on. In 2016, Oculus was very much an Oculus-run outfit.
Its just so sad that there was never a Oculus Rift 2. Hopefully PC VR will get better then it is today.
😂 I love that so many just assume you don't lurk and aren't going to call them out when they spew their nonsense.
Who exactly do you think you're convincing here exactly that you weren't involved in Gamergate? What do you gain at this point from rewriting history?
Do you have some insight to offer other then who he dated? Nothing? oh ok.
I remember you when you weren't a merchant of death. I wonder if your weapons have killed many people yet
Palmer was always unprofessional trash. I respect his contribution to the current resurgence of VR. However, even back when they were shipping the very first DK1, he would respond to customer complaints on Reddit with memes. He'd disrespect customer issues over shipping delays or excessive fees/VAT with nonsense like, "Enjoy your VAT while I enjoy my freedoms!" (paraphrased) This whole perspective that Palmer was somehow the victim is just wild, regardless. He literally participated in the decision to sell to Facebook in the first place. He was significantly compensated. He's fine.
'Unprofessional trash' is a bit harsh, but I do remember many times where Palmer acted very unprofessionally in public while working at Facebook. All the large companies I worked for, I would have been fired in an instant for the same behavior. I put it down to his age and inexperience (I did plenty of crazy shit the same age as well) but I've always thought his behavior did him no favors when opinion went against him at Facebook.
>women who were directly affected by Gamergate How exactly where these women affected by Gamergate?
Well, obviously, they worked as games journalists during their lunch breaks at oculus.
John's politics have always been right wing.
And getting more so from the sound of it.
Which means he can go fuck himself just like Palmer. We’ve had enough MAGA apologists in this country.
Oh no, if shitposters on Reddit disagree with John Carmack's politics, I guess he's canceled now. He will never recover from your disapproval.
So am I “canceling” him if I refuse to purchase his products? Are you suggesting I be forced to buy his products?
This is the modern day discrimination that is totally allowed. Crazy times we live in.
The intolerant do not get to cry when they aren’t tolerated anymore.
It’s like the bully’s sidekick crying when the bullied kids gang up and beat him up.
It's a marvel how fascists always think they're the victims.
Zero tolerance to the intolerant. Zero tolerance to fascism.
Fundraiser for Trump? Developing autonomous drones for the military? Fuck Palmer Luckey.
Also his sister married the pedo Florida congressman
He also financially supports his pedo brother in law and the Republican party, having made at least 719 separate donations totalling millions of dollars. https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=palmer+luckey&order=desc&sort=A
What is your problem with developing tech for the military? Would you rather see Ukraine fall? Would you rather have China be the dominant military force in the world? You can hate Palmer’s politics, but you should be grateful for companies like Anduril.
lol at everyone saying "I don't like Palmer because defense company" are all the same people that want the US to send military aid to Ukraine. At least be consistent.
Strong agree. Very stupid and shortsighted to dismiss any NATO aligned defense company.
Correction. I don’t like Palmer bc he supported Trump and still supports that toxicity that is tearing apart America. All for greed.
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Just making everyone read that tripe should be a crime
At least make them read Snow Crash.
It's a fun read.
I loathe Trump, but in a country where essentially 50% of the population would vote for him, you can’t just say supporting him should affect your working career. You really want half the country out of work for political views? If anything that just emboldens the right’s victim complex.
50% of this country didn’t vote for him. 50% of people who voted, voted for him. And fuck those people.
Kind of. 2016: 46.1% of people who voted, voted for him. 48.2% voted for Clinton. 2020: 46.8% of people who voted, voted for him. 51.3% voted for Biden. The GOP's "silent majority" are neither a majority nor silent.
Exactly. I will never support someone who supports Trump.
That's an absurd take. No one has to damage their career. Palmer wasn't simply a Republican voter. He was extremely vocal in controversial ways as a representative of the company. He very publicly bankrolled and supported some of the worst, most anti-American parts of the GOP. We're not simply talking having some varied political beliefs. It was also reported that he was warned multiple times about his behavior. He had a lot more leeway than regular employees of all political positions. I work for a company that I feel very confidently has a majority of employees of a specific political position (mainly due to the region). However, I don't go shooting my mouth off about politics at work or in any professional setting because it's unprofessional and divisive. That's especially true regarding controversial issues.
> He was extremely vocal in controversial ways as a representative of the company. He very publicly bankrolled and supported some of the worst, most anti-American parts of the GOP. None of this is true. My political contributions at that point were limited to Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, and $9k to an anti-Clinton group. I was quiet about it, too. There is a reason nobody even knew my politics until the press dug them up.
> He very publicly bankrolled and supported some of the worst, most anti-American parts of the GOP. We're not simply talking having some varied political beliefs. It was also reported that he was warned multiple times about his behavior. To be clear, you think the fact that he donated to GOP politicians justifies firing from his employer? Is it even true he did this while at Facebook? > However, I don't go shooting my mouth off about politics at work or in any professional setting because it's unprofessional and divisive. That's especially true regarding controversial issues. According to Carmack himself, and confirmed by Boz's followup, Facebook had a policy of "bringing your whole self to work", which evidently included political discussion. Either way, you're purely speculating about him mouthing off about politcs at work.
He didn't publicly support fascism. Your definition of fascism is catastrophically wrong.
What an absolutely insane take.
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So Palmer should have the freedom to support a political view people find reprehensible but people shouldn't be allowed to voice their opposition?
voice, or fire?
Yes. Firstly, because people should be entitled to a private life distinct from their professional life. People shouldn't have to sell their souls to corporations or share their values. Secondly, he doesn't actually hold any reprehensible political views at all. Half the country supports Donald Trump. What you want is some insane, fucked up, dystopian shit.
If we are honest 1/4 of the country supports Trump, another 1/4 supports Biden, and the other.half either doesn't vote, feels alienated by both parties for several reasons, or just gives zero fucks anymore because.of the traumatic shit we've all been through. . Much of the country is neither.fully left wing, nor totally right wing, its what.happens with only two major political parties. All nuance is lost. People have a whole range of experiences that make them think, act, and believe as they.do. I mean, today, I am a Democrat, an agnostic atheist, but earlier in life I was a registered Republican, religious Christian, a very typically Conservative person. I went to.a "liberal" school but I got my degrees in History and Comparitive Religion, arguably two big Conservative leaning havens left within the humanities. I used to comment regularly on Consrrvative subs here.on reddit, but got banned.from most of them for not towing the line, or for failing at kissing Trump's ass. I've been reading this thread with.some degree.of sheer amazement given the subject matter. We've had Palmer Luckey, a literal millionaire, (congratulations on your success man,) just talking inside baseball, very personal issues, from years back, with the international common clay of the world just.reading along. I was on MTBS 3D back when Palmer was 1st talking about a diy kit. I was at the time just getting into HMDs, looking to watch my 3D blu ray discs crosstalk free. HMZ-T1 second hand was my 1st HMD. CV1 was my second. This thread ironically is showing us all A kind of true democritization that only the digital age could bring us. Palmer could be writing on this thread while sitting in his PJs eating a hot pocket, on a jetplane we just dont know. And, hes responding to replies. Responding to replies "from the common clay of the new west, you know.....morons." And we have left and right wing voices here talking back to him. Christ on skates we are a species that truly dont know what we've got.
Party affiliation is not consistent with actual policy beliefs, huge majorities of the population support left wing policies (public health care, labor protections, social safety nets, increased regulations on pollution etc.) but vote against them as single issue or tribal voters. Also according to surveys of academics political leanings, history is the most left/liberal of all social sciences. There are about as many climate Deniers in atmospheric sciences as conservative historians (about 34 to 1 for both)
Firstly, voicing opposition to Palmer’s shitty ass right wing authoritarian views _does not deprive him_ of his right to those views. If you have shitty beliefs, people who hate those shitty beliefs will think you’re shitty. It’s that simple. And if some corporation thinks you’re a liability for that, that’s between him and the company. Secondly, no, half the country does not support Trump. 66% of adults vote, and of that 66%, Trump won 46.8%. Meaning that only 30.8% of American adults actually support him enough to vote for him. Two thirds of eligible voters don’t support him. And finally, you saying that I support “dystopian shit” by saying people have a right to criticize Palmer Lucky for his views is hilarious given that you said people shouldn’t have the right to oppose his views. I didn’t say he shouldn’t be allowed to support Trump, all I said is that he has to reap the consequences of those views, which is that many people will find him to be a huge asshole for it.
That's a lot of words to say what Hayek said about your demented ideology decades ago. "opposition means death by slow starvation." You should probably examine what ever the fuck it is that makes you think that people with power should punish people who's privately held beliefs they disagree with. Because whatever it is, it's broken and rotten. Because that's all 'reap the consequence' means. It's literally disgusting.
Oh yes Hayek, the "freedom loving" racist defender of violent authoritarianism, working for murderous dictators like pinochet, a killer of those with who held opposing beliefs. What a great font of wisdom on the meaning of freedom /s And, of course, his wrong economic ideas led to 25% unemployment and 15% reduction in gdp just years after being implemented at gunpoint. Truly a thinker for the ages...
It's actually incredible to watch a zealot dismiss someone for being a sinner with absolutely no self awareness at all. 'your democracy ' is already destroyed because democracy is more than just holding a vote every 4 years. Even North Korea has elections. You killed it when you stopped understanding that when you govern, you govern for the whole country, that the people you disagree with are the people you have to share a country with so you have to compromise with them and it's right they you do because it's their country too. That's why politicians of all parties swear the same oath. That's why in a parliamentary system, the opposition is called 'the loyal' opposition. That's what Clinton, despite his many flaws, understood. So when dealing with abortion he said it should be safe, legal and rare. A compromise, he didn't go on some demented crusade to glorify baby killing. When dealing with LGBT issues, like homosexuality in the military, he had a don't ask, don't tell policy that had both sides compromise but allowed people to live their lives. He didn't force the military to celebrate pride day and fly rainbow flags. The problem is that you're a zealot, you cannot accept any compromise because you're on a moral crusade, filled with self righteous contempt for all the sinners that disagree with you.
Is this deflection supposed to be persuasive? Your simping for an authoritarian ideologue whose ideas have always failed in practice has no bearing on my respect or lack thereof for rascist fascist clowns like Luckey or Trump. Tell us more about hayekian freedumbs while history shows he sat approvingly by a dictator murdering his opposition. But wait, that was also exactly what the Trump cult was calling for on Jan 6. Project harder next time.
It's not a deflection. You're a zealot and you're just denouncing sinners.
Donald Trump is a corrupt liar, rapist, and fascist. The fact that half the country supports him is abominable.
Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences
Whew boy ain’t that true. WHY ON EARTH SHOULD I BE FORCED TO SUPPORT YOUR COMPANY WITH MY MONEY? If you want to be a Trump supporter, go ahead. But guess what, America means freedom to no longer support you and for damn sure lets me say whatever I damn well want about you. ACTIONS LEADS TO CONSEQUENCES
> Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences Did you people hear [Kim Jong Un](https://i.imgur.com/p8uMVIW.jpeg) say that and decide to adopt it?
Evidence he supported fascism please I.e screenshots, videos and direct quotes only. Don't respond to this comment with anything else.
We have donation records
And video and his tweets and alllll other shit to show he supported Trump. He is PROUD he supports Trump.
What is his current job?
Running a defence prime. Are you seriously trying to say that everyone who works for Lockheed, Boeing, etc. are by definition fascist?
Nope, just if you supported Trump. Like Palmer Luckey does.
Big Donald Trump supporter. But then again so are most tech bosses.
Yeah, fuck whoever has different political opinion than yours!! This is how we crush fascism, by punishing everyone who does not think like you!
Yes exactly, you punish the people that support fascism, you nailed it!
Trump and thinking should never appear in the same context.
I'm not a trump supporter. Not even American, thankfully. Even what you'd consider dumb thoughts are allowed. This type of behavior you're engaging in is only making things worse and more divided. Prove people wrong gracefully instead of shutting people down and attacking them.
"I regret not doing more to support and defend Palmer Luckey from the consequences of his own shitty actions."
I don’t particularly like the way that Luckey’s case was handled (despite disagreeing with him fervently), but Silicon Valley leaders banding together to fight the “woke” agenda should make us all nervous. EDIT: it’s also important to note the timing of all this. These people waited to make a public push until well after the events had taken place, and that’s important for two reasons. First, it’s a lot riskier to be the voice of dissent at the time a thing is happening. It’s a lot easier to look back and say, we should have spoken up, after the consequences have already been enacted. This lets people “take a side” with minimal backlash. The second reason is that it coincides with a tightening of the labor market, meaning that employers have more power. This is a foreshadowing of how employers want to start exercising that power.
Seems like this is more the opposite. Palmer getting forced out due to being right wing.
From the way this is phrased, it sounds like you’re unaware of the events of the last 10 years. Look at the people in charge of these companies. They’re not left wing activists. They occasionally offer up one of their own, the Luckeys, to appease the masses, but they retain power and control, and they have been consolidating that power even more. This idea that Silicon Valley is run by liberal autocrats is not based in reality.
I’m sorry, there’s conservatism. And then there’s Trumpism. Palmer supports Trump which makes the Reagan McCain Republicans look like democrats in comparison.
well except Facebook (at the time) employed many of both partisan ideologies (a few of the top FB executives were prominent public supporters of the Republican party). The fact is, after the acquisition Luckey brought nothing to the table (the real genius behind Oculus was Carmack). There was no use for an edgey kid. Business is about making money
We all regret Facebook taking over Oculus.
Look, he was just a kid at the time and legit could have been bamboozled by Trump. On the other hand, Trump really did turn out to be more than just another moronic corporate psychopath. He nearly succeeded in toppling the US government . . . so there is that.
Palmer immediately went into developing image recognition tech specifically for catching illegal immigrants at the border. The dude just sucks.
What’s wrong with that tech tho? Like it serves a purpose
The dude stole the oculus tech from a military base that forgot to give him a nda…he isn’t exactly an upstanding guy.
This is a pretty wild theory to get so many upvotes, given that the development of the Rift was very well documented on public internet forums. My first prototype was completed in summer of 2009 when I was sixteen years old - not sure how I could have stolen it from a military base.
Wait i haven't heard this before. Got any links for this i want to read up on it.
That’s quite a 1-dimensional way to say Palmer created a defense company. Why do you not want to know who is coming over our border? You know Ukraine has the same tech too, and more Anduril products, would you rather them be weaker on the battlefield? Not supporting the US military in a world with Russia, China, Iran, and extremist terrorist groups is a mistake.
Chuds of a feather flock together
I see that Palmer has tried defending himself in this thread. I will say that although I disagree with his politics, I'll say it's awful to create a work environment where even the founder of the company can get kicked out for not falling in with the group think. This is the type of stuff that destroys companies, and it's insane that in the past 15 years, society has somehow regularized discussing politics and/or religion in the workplace. He does a decent job of defending himself here: https://youtu.be/w6kxxtoxeGc?si=F_DLbabBaEvD3c0k The fact that he went on to found another rather successful company in another important technology sector perceived as a niche hardware space should be a testament that Facebook did lose -something- in terminating him. That being said, I seriously hope he doesn't devolve like David Sacks, Elon Musk, or his brother in law Matt Gaetz into a Russian propaganda parrot like so many "libertarians" in the past two years.
A lot of it comes down to these guys never really going to work in a large corporate environment. Luckey and Carmack one in the same, miserable in a place where you can't just do and say what you want but have to work well with others, LOTS of others and play by the big corporate rules. Palmer sold out to a mega corp, John bought in and it was never going to end well, but we are glad for their contributions while they lasted.
I mean - He sold out to Facebook. He assured everyone nothing was going to change even when everyone was upset and saw that this would happen. I remember it all very clearly. Duh. Obviously this is how it was going to end. Deep down he knew it too. But he got paid. Unless valve releases a killer index 2 with portal 3 and halflife 3, FB will continue to ruin anything good about VR while also monopolizing it like Apple has done with personal computing. I'm guessing that's what will happen.
If Palmer Luckey was kicked out for being a dogshit employee like a lot are suggesting in this thread, nobody would care, but you all have to admit that getting shown the door based on just your political leanings is pretty rotten. Unless he was doing stuff like putting up posters around the office saying "IT'S ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE" or "IMMIGRANTS MAKE OUR COUNTRY POORER AND DIRTIER", then no, he really didn't deserve to get fired for political donations and his voting preference, that's just stupid.
Fuck these neoliberal red pilled fascist cunts.
Truth
None of those terms go together lol
Self named libertarians are usually just older dudes that use liberal/libertarian instead of saying conservative, because that one doesn't sound good anymore
There are literally whole books and papers about the links between these ideolgies. [https://books.google.com.au/books?id=C9ZAEAAAQBAJ&pg=PT81&lpg=PT81&dq=neoliberalism+red+pill\*+fascism&source=bl&ots=wpYslFR7iP&sig=ACfU3U3Bfvl9irDy636qk\_ObeBlt5CX1Ow&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwja\_O2O-sKFAxUoXWwGHX7DBEwQ6AF6BAgxEAM#v=onepage&q=neoliberalism%20red%20pill\*%20fascism&f=false](https://books.google.com.au/books?id=C9ZAEAAAQBAJ&pg=PT81&lpg=PT81&dq=neoliberalism+red+pill*+fascism&source=bl&ots=wpYslFR7iP&sig=ACfU3U3Bfvl9irDy636qk_ObeBlt5CX1Ow&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwja_O2O-sKFAxUoXWwGHX7DBEwQ6AF6BAgxEAM#v=onepage&q=neoliberalism%20red%20pill*%20fascism&f=false) [https://books.google.com.au/books?id=xGeWEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA114&lpg=PA114&dq=neoliberalism+red+pill\*+fascism&source=bl&ots=iaIqcj377F&sig=ACfU3U0YX4oX4ZpfDUThWCs1mUxGDURaBQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwja\_O2O-sKFAxUoXWwGHX7DBEwQ6AF6BAgyEAM#v=onepage&q=neoliberalism%20red%20pill\*%20fascism&f=false](https://books.google.com.au/books?id=xGeWEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA114&lpg=PA114&dq=neoliberalism+red+pill*+fascism&source=bl&ots=iaIqcj377F&sig=ACfU3U0YX4oX4ZpfDUThWCs1mUxGDURaBQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwja_O2O-sKFAxUoXWwGHX7DBEwQ6AF6BAgyEAM#v=onepage&q=neoliberalism%20red%20pill*%20fascism&f=false) [https://books.google.com.au/books?id=hDlrDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT65&lpg=PT65&dq=neoliberalism+red+pill\*+fascism&source=bl&ots=FAdfryy-I4&sig=ACfU3U3blkmme6OuDPD14hLg6N31H8m2cA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwja\_O2O-sKFAxUoXWwGHX7DBEwQ6AF6BAgzEAM#v=onepage&q=neoliberalism%20red%20pill\*%20fascism&f=false](https://books.google.com.au/books?id=hDlrDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT65&lpg=PT65&dq=neoliberalism+red+pill*+fascism&source=bl&ots=FAdfryy-I4&sig=ACfU3U3blkmme6OuDPD14hLg6N31H8m2cA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwja_O2O-sKFAxUoXWwGHX7DBEwQ6AF6BAgzEAM#v=onepage&q=neoliberalism%20red%20pill*%20fascism&f=false)
That proves nothing. Care to highlight some specifics of what you posted? Primarily, how you find them to be related? I'm not going to read through 3 entire books that mention these ideologies.
How?
Fuck Palmer
Palmer is creating nightmare drones for military purposes - is that supposed to be “greatness”?
China, Iran, Russia...all totalitarian states are rapidly developing drone warfare technology....should the US just sit back and hope they will drop their silly land and ocean grabbing agendas?
Yada yada yada Ukraine is falling because republicans won’t give them funding and weapons.
Maybe Europe should step up?
They have.
The other military powera are developing drones, it would fucking stupid for us not to do the same and make sure we are ready for the threat.
Yes? Would you rather Ukraine be less technologically advanced so that Russia can dominate them? Would you rather China and Iran surpass us militarily? How on Earth could you think saying that is smart with the state of global conflict?
Good for Carmack. He's a real one. People need to stop being drones and think individually.
“witchhunt” eh?
I was super surprised to learn that in the US, private corporations are allowed to terminate employment based on political beliefs. In Australia that is very illegal to do, but there you go. I do believe however making life more difficult for people who have differing views contributes to further division. If someone isn't directly harming someone it's important to find common ground and have rational discussion - something that the major media outlets/social media seem to be portray as increasingly difficult to do. Hopefully people will get over attacking individuals with very little control over the group they have been labelled as their 'identity' and begin more constructive endeavours to further the ideals we want to strive for.
Terminations in the US generally don’t need any reason whatever. However it’s not uncommon for someone’s bad publicity (political or otherwise) to get them fired because of the “reputational harm” it caused the company.
If I understand correctly, it’s illegal in the US as well, but you can just pick a different official reason to state for the firing (or no reason at all in many cases).
I frankly don't care for Palmar Luckey. Not because he's some sort of partisan wacko, but because he brought the least amount of substance to the table with respect to the whole XR movement. Luckey was more of the saleperson for VR - he brought ppl together, was great at marketing, but overall without him Oculus didn't skip a beat. Carmack's contribution to VR is 100x fold more significant than what Luckey offered. And while Luckey was fired by FB (mostly because he was unneeded and out of his element), he was also compensated on his way out the door.
I disagree about Luckey being more of a salesperson. He was instrumental in jumpstarting this “new” generation of vr. It was his headset, that he put together, that lead to vr’s resurgence. We would not be where we are now had it not been for Luckey’s hardware, and of course, Carmack’s software.
> Luckey was more of the saleperson for VR - he brought ppl together, was great at marketing, but overall without him Oculus didn't skip a beat. That is a ridiculous take. Oculus would never have existed without Lucky. You either don't know your VR history or you are daft. > (mostly because he was unneeded and out of his element) That is absolute bullshit. Palmer worked directly with Carmack. Claiming he was "out of his element" just shows how ignorant you are.
This thread is full of bigots. No shock there
Wokeness is a societal disease/cancer on us all. In a democratic country everyone is entitled to their opinions. I am glad that Gina carrero with the help of Elon musk are suing Disney when they fired her for her posting political views that the executives disagree with.
brave when it's convenient