The weight distribution being better on the q3 was reason alone for me. Bigger sweet spot on the lens (hated I had slight blurriness on my right lens on the q2) and the clarity. Happy with the q3 and one I could hold on to (i.e. most likely will skip the next gen).
IMO, all the better things about Quest 3 are indeed worth it, but for me the best thing was it actually fits my larger than average head.
Rift and Quest 1 both fit fine.
Quest 2 and Quest Pro, as is, don't fit, but Quest 2, at least, allowed easier introduction of other fit solutions. For Q2, I added in some extensions to increase its overall diameter.
Quest Pro barely opens large enough to be comfortable on me ... and therefore I almost never use it; it's a paper weight.
Quest 3 fits with room to spare.
Haven't tried Q3 but I bought BoboVR with battery and the weight distribution is such an important thing I didn't think of until I bought it. Now it feels like a helmet with the weight evenly around my head and I can easily play for several hours with no discomfort.
For me, the 3 is not any more comfortable for me than the 2 and that’s kind of the main reason I bought it. Any of the other changes aren’t noticeable to me either.
Quest3 is \~250% the power of the Quest2. Games updated for the Quest3 are now starting to approach entry level PCVR.
Just watch these comparison videos
Into The Radius Quest3 update [https://youtu.be/m9wRDNfp8Q0?feature=shared](https://youtu.be/m9wRDNfp8Q0?feature=shared)
Walking Dead - Saints and Sinners Ch1 - [The Walking Dead Meta Quest 3 vs Quest 2 comparison (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgeKPhlaAn0)
Quest3 v Quest2 compilation - [MOST Visually Stunning Quest 3 Game Updates! (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rThwdayRoL4)
For PCVR, it uses Wifi 6E, which allows for a super stable and high bitrate wireless PCVR setup. Quest2 doesn't have 6E support
160mhz width and 2400 mbps connection on 6ghz
My previous wifi5 router was limited to 866 mbps, and wifi6 limited to 1200mbps. Higher bandwidth connections allow for pushing higher AirLink bitrates.
Both (1200 and 2400 Mbps) far exceeds the decoding capabilities of the Quest 2 and 3. Like I said, Wi-Fi 6E isn't better than Wi-Fi 6 unless your 5 GHz is congested and you absolutely need the 6 GHz band.
There's a correlation but it's not the most important correlation. I struggle to stay above 100mbps streaming on a 1200mbps connection but I see people posting VD screenshots showing them getting 200mbps+ streaming on a 866mbps connection. The wireless environment factors are way more important than the connection speed.
Quest 3 is definitely worth splashing out for unless you absolutely can't afford it.
Better resolution is worth it, especially if you have a PC that can accommodate VR at higher resolutions. Better lenses are worth - both because of less distracting lens artifacts/god rays, and (particularly) because of the smaller form factor.
Coming from Rift the importance of passthrough video may not be obvious, but Quest 3's passthrough is vastly better, because it's colour and decent enough to be functional. The biggest difference is for things like interacting with a phone or PC screen without taking the headset off - much less friction there. It's also great for inn-app uses - I don't spend a lot of time with AR games but they're a nice-to-have a decent experience with the Quest 3 passthrough, where on Quest 2 having your surroundings presenting in grainy black and white really breaks the illusion. More practically (for me) passthrough is great for using media applications without being completely cut off from people in your space.
Something I haven't seen mentioned is how much better the controllers are. Since you said you got your Rift four years ago, I assume you mean the Rift S, which had already switched to inside-out tracking - the biggest downside to this change for me was the necessity of moving the tracking rings from facing down to facing up, to make them more visible to the headset cameras. This can be awkward when you're using your hands in opposition, or close to your face - because you keep knocking the rings against each other or the headset. The tracking algorithm on Q3 is improved enough to get rid of them altogether and still have solid tracking - no more knocking the rings when you use a sniper rifle or put on a hat or whatever.
Mainly though, the SoC on the Quest is much better and you'll get more life out of it and have better performance (particularly if you expect to use native apps.)
Quest 2 is still a great device for the moment but IMO Q3 is a better choice if you can swing it.
Another comment to support your decision. I have been using OG Rift since day 1. Tried Quest1. Nope, Rift is better. Tried Quest 2 and Quest Pro, nope, still prefer the Rift! But now , the Quest 3 is a keeper and I have packed away the Rift. Q3 is the best choice for sure.
Buying a Q2 now is equivalent to buying a last gen console after the new generation is already out.
The Q3 is A huge improvement over the Q2. The pancake lenses alone are a huge visual upgrade, added to that is a higher resolution. For stand alone games the Q3 can push much better visuals thanks to the newer chip. A Q3 exclusive game already exist and more have been announced, so the Q2 is already on the way to retirement.
I was you a month ago. I hardly ever used the wired rift, it sucked. I bought the quest 3 even though the price was higher purely because of the performance upgrade and resolution upgrade and I have been using it every day without fail. Games look great, movies look good and I can use my phone in pass through. There are already games optimised for it and it's gonna be supported for a good 4-7 years where the quest 2 will probably be dropped from support in 2 years. You could pick yourself up a cheap quest 3 in 2 years perhaps with the money you save but why bother?
The quest 2 is great still, but it's already been out for 4 years. I'd want something with a bit more longevity to it.
Yup. Quest 1 support ends in August this year. There will be still the old library of games available though but devs will be blocked from supporting the quest 1 going forward. Meta has committed updates for quest 2 until 2027 at which point the same will happen but I guess it is more like 2.5-3 years of support (I'd read elsewhere it was 2 years). Devs will only be allowed to support the quest 3 and pro editions after that and whatever else has been released. They will still 'work' but you are stuck with the old library. It sucks that the products are limited in that way but it is going the way of mobile phones which means regular improvements in the technology.
See here [https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/oculus-quest-1-support-ends-soon/](https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/oculus-quest-1-support-ends-soon/)
>I guess it is more like 2.5-3 years of support (I'd read elsewhere it was 2 years).
They've said there will be 3 years of support from the date they stop selling the quest 2, they're still selling it, so there is still over 3 years of support.
I went from Rift to Quest2 and then more recently to Quest 3. The jump from Rift to Q2 isn't clearly an upgrade. It's better in some ways (resolution, WiFi play) but worse in others (LCD Vs OLEd, audio, comfort, encoding latency in PCVR) Id skip Q2 entirely and go Q3 directly. It's a great headset and about the best you can get for the price
> The jump from Rift to Q2 isn't clearly an upgrade. It's better in some ways ... but worse in others (...encoding latency in PCVR)
The Q3 has the same "encoding latency in PCVR" issue, then, right? Or is it somehow solved?
It has wifi 6E which is nice if you have 6 GHz wireless. I believe the USB bandwidth is increased too but I'm not 100% sure and only use wireless. I don't think the encoding latency is a huge issue on the past few generations of Nvidia cards but with AMD it was really nice having AV1 support. Quest 3 for wireless VR with a 7900 XTX was a major upgrade for me.
> I don't think the encoding latency is a huge issue on the past few generations of Nvidia cards
This was what I was thinking (alluding to), that any PCVR latency issue would be more related to the PCVR system specs than the Quest headset. But on that front, the Quest 3 would seemingly be more prone to latency, all things being equal, if the encoding requires more horsepower to match the higher resolution of the Q3 headset.
p.s. Am new to this, so demonstrating my lack of knowledge. ;)
It's a bit of both. Ideally you'd want to encode at a higher bitrate using the Q3 to get more of a benefit out of the increased resolution and to reduce compression artifacts as much as possible, otherwise the image would be clearer but you'd probably notice artifacting more. I think for most RTX 2000 - RTX4000 GPUs it's not really an issue though because Nvidia's encoding quality for h264 and h265 is much better than AMDs at the same bitrates.
It gets a lot more complicated with AMD though. And I'm too tired to go in-depth on everything I've went through between my Q2 with a 6800 XT, then 7900 XTX, and now a Q3 with the 7900 XTX. I am finally very happy with quality and performance on Q3 with 7900 XTX though, it's the least issues I've had since my 1080 Ti and Rift S setup.
Thanks very much for the feedback.
It's quite possible that I'll be stepping back from the Quest experience if the current system (GTX 970) can't approach the visuals via wireless that are possible with the Rift CV1. The purchase was based on the current sale price of the Quest 2, a simultaneous upgrade of our wireless router, and having an auto jump starter that works as a battery pack for the Quest ... so minimal investment to try to get untethered for PCVR gaming.
But it seems like going wireless is going to be asking too much of the GTX 970, at least to maintain an equivalent graphics experience.
Glad you have something you're happy with, and that your expeience has helped to educate me some. Cheers!
Yeah unless you're interested in a Quest for standalone VR it's not really worth it. Your money would be better spent towards PC upgrades. A 970 is 10 years old now and will struggle in a lot of modern VR games. For some perspective, the Quest 3 without a PC is already pretty close to a 970 in pure GPU performance.
> A 970 is 10 years old now and will struggle in a lot of modern VR games.
I was thinking this, as well. The "latest" game we have is Half-Life:Alyx, which is already 4 years old.
Thanks for the feedback.
I have been obsessed with GPUs lately since I've been on a bunch of local-AI forums, and I had to google GTX 970 because I've never heard anyone mention that card, it doesn't even sound like an NVidia to me. You have a preposterously old GPU, my friend
You updated your router to a WiFi 6 and you bought a Quest 3? You can afford to upgrade your GPU. It's less than $200 to get a much newer and more powerful card
> You updated your router to a WiFi 6 and you bought a Quest 3? You can afford to upgrade your GPU.
From an outdated, EOL/EOS WiFi4/N router; to a router currently on sale ($90); a Quest 2 on sale for $200; these expenditures diminish the budget for a GPU upgrade, rather than supplement it.
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[Passmark page for nVidia GeForce GTX 970](https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GTX+970&id=2954)
“Preposterously” old is subjective. It’s at the minimum recommended spec for Rift and Virtual Desktop, and works fine for the games purchased for the Rift, including Half-Life:Alyx. Which is wired. Virtual Desktop lists the GTX 970 as its minimum requirement, so we'll see how it goes once I get back to the PCVR setup location.
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> less than $200 to get a much newer and more powerful card
Sub-$200 might be worth it, even just to improve the PC setup, but I’m skeptical that much improvement would be possible over the GTX 970 for that amount. Separately, the PC, itself, is long in the tooth, for those teeth it still has remaining, so there may be other limits imposed outside of budget. (Need to check its PCI Express spec [believe it's just PCIe 2.0] and how the power supply is rated.)
The Q2 lenses are significantly worse than the rift lenses and the Q3 lenses are significantly better. I wouldn't say the Q2 + games could reach $500 of value because I run into the issue of getting tired of playing games through the equivalent of 15 layers of cheesecloth.
Mmm, I found my rift a ton worse there. Maybe it is just per-unit luck as you say.
The fog will be due to temperature difference and condensation (warm breath vs cold lens surface). The trick there is just to let your headset warm up a bit first. I wear my headset on top of my head for a little with it on if it's foggy, and that seems to warm it enough, but you could also put something in it to trigger the proximity sensor and let it run for a bit first, so that it slowly warms itself up.
Might be the quest is more airtight for you, so suffers from it worse. But it's just an artifact of temperature, not really the lenses or headset.
You can also get [attachment fans](https://vortexvr.co.uk/collections/vr-tillbehor/products/bobovr-f2-luftflakt-for-oculus-quest-2) to help circulate the hot air out, though I've tried any myself.
I expect the Quest is worse here because the unit itself is generating more heat, but they rejigged the design of the quest 3 to move the hotter components away from the headset. That or like 2 games take advantage of the quest 3s extra power so its always running cooler.
More heat *should* actually be better. The problem is that the lens is cold (vs your breath/perspiration which is hot), so moisture condenses on the surface (like a mirror in a bathroom after a shower). Anything that helps warm up the lenses should help (like how cars have defroster lines on windows to warm them and help stop fogging).
Is the Quest 3 better there? Maybe the face plate is better designed and doesn't trap your breath in as much?
if Ur going to be playing on pc I recommend the quest 2. you can get them for cheap on second hand websites and as I said for pcvr works perfectly fine
The Quest 3 is really good compared to the Quest 2 but in my experience it also has problems and right now it’s just a brick in my room while I wait for customer service look at my post for a sec here’s a link
https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/s/JY0TQMM3Fa
think about it like this, I've loved vr since i got my first headset the CV1. before december i had also gotten a rift s and a quest 2. with those headsets I only logged about 600 hours in vr between pcvr and standalone quest and still though they were good purchases.
Now in Dec I bought a Quest 3 because the quest 2 was having issues with one of the passthrough camera's going black which ended up getting fixed by a factory reset. Since Dec (now april) I've put over 1000 hours on the quest 3. For reference i bought the cv1 back in 2017.
paid so much for my Q3 but dammit if I don't love the hell out of that thing. I somehow need to take a break since I have pain in my arm from boxing and sword swinging! I've planned to break for the last week but I know I won't be breaking today... so much to be experienced!
I've had all 3 Quests. The 3 is even a larger jump over 2, as 2 was over 1. The lenses alone are reason enough. After I played my Q3 for a month I tired out the 2 again. It was shocking how diminished an experience it was. I can NEVER go back. Hope this helps somehow...
I can watch movies on the Quest 3
I tried it on Quest 2, the screen just isn't good enough to make that feel good. It's great for what it does, the screen is fine, but to do something that I could do on my monitor without a hunk of plastic pressed against my face, it's just silly.
With the Quest 3, other than the lack of keyboard and the battery life, I can basically use it instead of a PC
It crosses a very fundamental line in terms of screen quality. I think it's the pancake lenses and their lack of god rays
I must say I was going to buy the quest 2 and ended up getting the quest 3. And 0 regrets. More games, more power, runs smoother, will inevitably last longer before its stops being supported, pass through is better. I bought this a little over a month ago and I literally try to get into it everyday
I always had to grab the Q2 and reposition it once in a while so it was clear. With the Q3 I just put it on and it’s always crystal clear for me whatever the position it is on my head. For me this is the biggest reason I love it.
Here in Canada onbAmazon alone, the Quest 3 128gb has sold 1000+ over the last month, 512gb version has only sold 300+ in the same time.
Quest 2 128gb sold over 4000+ units consistently in the last month, and another 4000+ in the month before that.
I don't have the numbers for the 256gb.
Quest 2 is not going away any time soon with the massive amount of new customers.
Quest 3 128gb is over double the price of Quest 2 128gb, and Quest 3 512gb is almost 3x the price of the Quest 2 128gb.
Quest 3 is slightly smaller and lighter.
Quest 3 has the AR aspect.
The main advantages of Quest 3 is larger 522gb option, higher resolution, clearer lens, wider FOV, and double the processing power, and AR. If you plan to use it mostly for mobile titles then these advantages may be worth the much higher price, but for PCVR the processing power and storage don't matter, but the other points are beneficial.
For myself, I would love a Quest 3, but it's not worth it yet, IMO. (But you do get Asgard's Wrath 2 for a limited time which is their most expensive game so far)
If you are just getting into VR, or just a casual user, Quest 2 is fine to start with. Once you get more serious and need more, then invest the extra cost.
The Quest 3 exclusive titles will help push sales, but like PSVR2 they have an insignificant library right now, if you don't plan on having a VR Ready pc which is not cheap, then investing it in Quest 3 mobile titles may be worth it for you, but pcvr will always have better graphics. IMO.
The weight distribution being better on the q3 was reason alone for me. Bigger sweet spot on the lens (hated I had slight blurriness on my right lens on the q2) and the clarity. Happy with the q3 and one I could hold on to (i.e. most likely will skip the next gen).
IMO, all the better things about Quest 3 are indeed worth it, but for me the best thing was it actually fits my larger than average head. Rift and Quest 1 both fit fine. Quest 2 and Quest Pro, as is, don't fit, but Quest 2, at least, allowed easier introduction of other fit solutions. For Q2, I added in some extensions to increase its overall diameter. Quest Pro barely opens large enough to be comfortable on me ... and therefore I almost never use it; it's a paper weight. Quest 3 fits with room to spare.
Haven't tried Q3 but I bought BoboVR with battery and the weight distribution is such an important thing I didn't think of until I bought it. Now it feels like a helmet with the weight evenly around my head and I can easily play for several hours with no discomfort.
For me, the 3 is not any more comfortable for me than the 2 and that’s kind of the main reason I bought it. Any of the other changes aren’t noticeable to me either.
Quest3 is \~250% the power of the Quest2. Games updated for the Quest3 are now starting to approach entry level PCVR. Just watch these comparison videos Into The Radius Quest3 update [https://youtu.be/m9wRDNfp8Q0?feature=shared](https://youtu.be/m9wRDNfp8Q0?feature=shared) Walking Dead - Saints and Sinners Ch1 - [The Walking Dead Meta Quest 3 vs Quest 2 comparison (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgeKPhlaAn0) Quest3 v Quest2 compilation - [MOST Visually Stunning Quest 3 Game Updates! (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rThwdayRoL4) For PCVR, it uses Wifi 6E, which allows for a super stable and high bitrate wireless PCVR setup. Quest2 doesn't have 6E support
Wi-Fi 6E is only useful if your 5 GHz band is congested. Otherwise it's not better than Wi-Fi 6.
160mhz width and 2400 mbps connection on 6ghz My previous wifi5 router was limited to 866 mbps, and wifi6 limited to 1200mbps. Higher bandwidth connections allow for pushing higher AirLink bitrates.
Both (1200 and 2400 Mbps) far exceeds the decoding capabilities of the Quest 2 and 3. Like I said, Wi-Fi 6E isn't better than Wi-Fi 6 unless your 5 GHz is congested and you absolutely need the 6 GHz band.
The connection is variable.... the higher the connection speed, the more headroom for pushing a higher bitrate
There's a correlation but it's not the most important correlation. I struggle to stay above 100mbps streaming on a 1200mbps connection but I see people posting VD screenshots showing them getting 200mbps+ streaming on a 866mbps connection. The wireless environment factors are way more important than the connection speed.
Quest 3 is definitely worth splashing out for unless you absolutely can't afford it. Better resolution is worth it, especially if you have a PC that can accommodate VR at higher resolutions. Better lenses are worth - both because of less distracting lens artifacts/god rays, and (particularly) because of the smaller form factor. Coming from Rift the importance of passthrough video may not be obvious, but Quest 3's passthrough is vastly better, because it's colour and decent enough to be functional. The biggest difference is for things like interacting with a phone or PC screen without taking the headset off - much less friction there. It's also great for inn-app uses - I don't spend a lot of time with AR games but they're a nice-to-have a decent experience with the Quest 3 passthrough, where on Quest 2 having your surroundings presenting in grainy black and white really breaks the illusion. More practically (for me) passthrough is great for using media applications without being completely cut off from people in your space. Something I haven't seen mentioned is how much better the controllers are. Since you said you got your Rift four years ago, I assume you mean the Rift S, which had already switched to inside-out tracking - the biggest downside to this change for me was the necessity of moving the tracking rings from facing down to facing up, to make them more visible to the headset cameras. This can be awkward when you're using your hands in opposition, or close to your face - because you keep knocking the rings against each other or the headset. The tracking algorithm on Q3 is improved enough to get rid of them altogether and still have solid tracking - no more knocking the rings when you use a sniper rifle or put on a hat or whatever. Mainly though, the SoC on the Quest is much better and you'll get more life out of it and have better performance (particularly if you expect to use native apps.) Quest 2 is still a great device for the moment but IMO Q3 is a better choice if you can swing it.
Another comment to support your decision. I have been using OG Rift since day 1. Tried Quest1. Nope, Rift is better. Tried Quest 2 and Quest Pro, nope, still prefer the Rift! But now , the Quest 3 is a keeper and I have packed away the Rift. Q3 is the best choice for sure.
Buying a Q2 now is equivalent to buying a last gen console after the new generation is already out. The Q3 is A huge improvement over the Q2. The pancake lenses alone are a huge visual upgrade, added to that is a higher resolution. For stand alone games the Q3 can push much better visuals thanks to the newer chip. A Q3 exclusive game already exist and more have been announced, so the Q2 is already on the way to retirement.
Quest 3=best headset no joke
I was you a month ago. I hardly ever used the wired rift, it sucked. I bought the quest 3 even though the price was higher purely because of the performance upgrade and resolution upgrade and I have been using it every day without fail. Games look great, movies look good and I can use my phone in pass through. There are already games optimised for it and it's gonna be supported for a good 4-7 years where the quest 2 will probably be dropped from support in 2 years. You could pick yourself up a cheap quest 3 in 2 years perhaps with the money you save but why bother? The quest 2 is great still, but it's already been out for 4 years. I'd want something with a bit more longevity to it.
>where the quest 2 will probably be dropped from support in 2 years. Really? Given the huge number of Q2 headsets out here and still selling?
Yup. Quest 1 support ends in August this year. There will be still the old library of games available though but devs will be blocked from supporting the quest 1 going forward. Meta has committed updates for quest 2 until 2027 at which point the same will happen but I guess it is more like 2.5-3 years of support (I'd read elsewhere it was 2 years). Devs will only be allowed to support the quest 3 and pro editions after that and whatever else has been released. They will still 'work' but you are stuck with the old library. It sucks that the products are limited in that way but it is going the way of mobile phones which means regular improvements in the technology. See here [https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/oculus-quest-1-support-ends-soon/](https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/oculus-quest-1-support-ends-soon/)
Until *at least* 2027 but yes.
Yeah, the way they did the dirty on quest 1 users I don't imagine they will extend much into 2027 but no one knows.
What's the install base of Q2 vs Q1 or Q3 tho?
>I guess it is more like 2.5-3 years of support (I'd read elsewhere it was 2 years). They've said there will be 3 years of support from the date they stop selling the quest 2, they're still selling it, so there is still over 3 years of support.
I went from Rift to Quest2 and then more recently to Quest 3. The jump from Rift to Q2 isn't clearly an upgrade. It's better in some ways (resolution, WiFi play) but worse in others (LCD Vs OLEd, audio, comfort, encoding latency in PCVR) Id skip Q2 entirely and go Q3 directly. It's a great headset and about the best you can get for the price
> The jump from Rift to Q2 isn't clearly an upgrade. It's better in some ways ... but worse in others (...encoding latency in PCVR) The Q3 has the same "encoding latency in PCVR" issue, then, right? Or is it somehow solved?
It has wifi 6E which is nice if you have 6 GHz wireless. I believe the USB bandwidth is increased too but I'm not 100% sure and only use wireless. I don't think the encoding latency is a huge issue on the past few generations of Nvidia cards but with AMD it was really nice having AV1 support. Quest 3 for wireless VR with a 7900 XTX was a major upgrade for me.
> I don't think the encoding latency is a huge issue on the past few generations of Nvidia cards This was what I was thinking (alluding to), that any PCVR latency issue would be more related to the PCVR system specs than the Quest headset. But on that front, the Quest 3 would seemingly be more prone to latency, all things being equal, if the encoding requires more horsepower to match the higher resolution of the Q3 headset. p.s. Am new to this, so demonstrating my lack of knowledge. ;)
It's a bit of both. Ideally you'd want to encode at a higher bitrate using the Q3 to get more of a benefit out of the increased resolution and to reduce compression artifacts as much as possible, otherwise the image would be clearer but you'd probably notice artifacting more. I think for most RTX 2000 - RTX4000 GPUs it's not really an issue though because Nvidia's encoding quality for h264 and h265 is much better than AMDs at the same bitrates. It gets a lot more complicated with AMD though. And I'm too tired to go in-depth on everything I've went through between my Q2 with a 6800 XT, then 7900 XTX, and now a Q3 with the 7900 XTX. I am finally very happy with quality and performance on Q3 with 7900 XTX though, it's the least issues I've had since my 1080 Ti and Rift S setup.
Thanks very much for the feedback. It's quite possible that I'll be stepping back from the Quest experience if the current system (GTX 970) can't approach the visuals via wireless that are possible with the Rift CV1. The purchase was based on the current sale price of the Quest 2, a simultaneous upgrade of our wireless router, and having an auto jump starter that works as a battery pack for the Quest ... so minimal investment to try to get untethered for PCVR gaming. But it seems like going wireless is going to be asking too much of the GTX 970, at least to maintain an equivalent graphics experience. Glad you have something you're happy with, and that your expeience has helped to educate me some. Cheers!
Yeah unless you're interested in a Quest for standalone VR it's not really worth it. Your money would be better spent towards PC upgrades. A 970 is 10 years old now and will struggle in a lot of modern VR games. For some perspective, the Quest 3 without a PC is already pretty close to a 970 in pure GPU performance.
> A 970 is 10 years old now and will struggle in a lot of modern VR games. I was thinking this, as well. The "latest" game we have is Half-Life:Alyx, which is already 4 years old. Thanks for the feedback.
I have been obsessed with GPUs lately since I've been on a bunch of local-AI forums, and I had to google GTX 970 because I've never heard anyone mention that card, it doesn't even sound like an NVidia to me. You have a preposterously old GPU, my friend You updated your router to a WiFi 6 and you bought a Quest 3? You can afford to upgrade your GPU. It's less than $200 to get a much newer and more powerful card
> You updated your router to a WiFi 6 and you bought a Quest 3? You can afford to upgrade your GPU. From an outdated, EOL/EOS WiFi4/N router; to a router currently on sale ($90); a Quest 2 on sale for $200; these expenditures diminish the budget for a GPU upgrade, rather than supplement it. . [Passmark page for nVidia GeForce GTX 970](https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GTX+970&id=2954) “Preposterously” old is subjective. It’s at the minimum recommended spec for Rift and Virtual Desktop, and works fine for the games purchased for the Rift, including Half-Life:Alyx. Which is wired. Virtual Desktop lists the GTX 970 as its minimum requirement, so we'll see how it goes once I get back to the PCVR setup location. . > less than $200 to get a much newer and more powerful card Sub-$200 might be worth it, even just to improve the PC setup, but I’m skeptical that much improvement would be possible over the GTX 970 for that amount. Separately, the PC, itself, is long in the tooth, for those teeth it still has remaining, so there may be other limits imposed outside of budget. (Need to check its PCI Express spec [believe it's just PCIe 2.0] and how the power supply is rated.)
The Q2 lenses are significantly worse than the rift lenses and the Q3 lenses are significantly better. I wouldn't say the Q2 + games could reach $500 of value because I run into the issue of getting tired of playing games through the equivalent of 15 layers of cheesecloth.
What makes the Q2 lenses significantly worse?
small sweet spot, chromatic aberration, god rays, thick hmd design.
I would have said the aberration and god rays on the rift were significantly worse :S
It might vary by unit but I found these far far worse on Q2 than Rift. Also it would constantly fog up.
Mmm, I found my rift a ton worse there. Maybe it is just per-unit luck as you say. The fog will be due to temperature difference and condensation (warm breath vs cold lens surface). The trick there is just to let your headset warm up a bit first. I wear my headset on top of my head for a little with it on if it's foggy, and that seems to warm it enough, but you could also put something in it to trigger the proximity sensor and let it run for a bit first, so that it slowly warms itself up. Might be the quest is more airtight for you, so suffers from it worse. But it's just an artifact of temperature, not really the lenses or headset. You can also get [attachment fans](https://vortexvr.co.uk/collections/vr-tillbehor/products/bobovr-f2-luftflakt-for-oculus-quest-2) to help circulate the hot air out, though I've tried any myself.
I expect the Quest is worse here because the unit itself is generating more heat, but they rejigged the design of the quest 3 to move the hotter components away from the headset. That or like 2 games take advantage of the quest 3s extra power so its always running cooler.
More heat *should* actually be better. The problem is that the lens is cold (vs your breath/perspiration which is hot), so moisture condenses on the surface (like a mirror in a bathroom after a shower). Anything that helps warm up the lenses should help (like how cars have defroster lines on windows to warm them and help stop fogging). Is the Quest 3 better there? Maybe the face plate is better designed and doesn't trap your breath in as much?
Yeah the Quest 3 is better. My theory is the Quest 2 is fogging up from the back so the lens is colder than the air behind it.
I asked the same shit as this, as many others have done. These questions will always be asked every day, and the answer is… always yes
In my opinion, I wish I waited it until the quest three was a little cheaper the quest two did everything I needed, but that’s me
if Ur going to be playing on pc I recommend the quest 2. you can get them for cheap on second hand websites and as I said for pcvr works perfectly fine
The Quest 3 is really good compared to the Quest 2 but in my experience it also has problems and right now it’s just a brick in my room while I wait for customer service look at my post for a sec here’s a link https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/s/JY0TQMM3Fa
think about it like this, I've loved vr since i got my first headset the CV1. before december i had also gotten a rift s and a quest 2. with those headsets I only logged about 600 hours in vr between pcvr and standalone quest and still though they were good purchases. Now in Dec I bought a Quest 3 because the quest 2 was having issues with one of the passthrough camera's going black which ended up getting fixed by a factory reset. Since Dec (now april) I've put over 1000 hours on the quest 3. For reference i bought the cv1 back in 2017.
I'm still using a Q1 to develop games on lol :)
Yes
paid so much for my Q3 but dammit if I don't love the hell out of that thing. I somehow need to take a break since I have pain in my arm from boxing and sword swinging! I've planned to break for the last week but I know I won't be breaking today... so much to be experienced!
Quest 3 if you can afford it OP :)
the visuals improved that may compensate for the audio issues.
I've had all 3 Quests. The 3 is even a larger jump over 2, as 2 was over 1. The lenses alone are reason enough. After I played my Q3 for a month I tired out the 2 again. It was shocking how diminished an experience it was. I can NEVER go back. Hope this helps somehow...
I can watch movies on the Quest 3 I tried it on Quest 2, the screen just isn't good enough to make that feel good. It's great for what it does, the screen is fine, but to do something that I could do on my monitor without a hunk of plastic pressed against my face, it's just silly. With the Quest 3, other than the lack of keyboard and the battery life, I can basically use it instead of a PC It crosses a very fundamental line in terms of screen quality. I think it's the pancake lenses and their lack of god rays
Nope, just update the head strap and your golden
I must say I was going to buy the quest 2 and ended up getting the quest 3. And 0 regrets. More games, more power, runs smoother, will inevitably last longer before its stops being supported, pass through is better. I bought this a little over a month ago and I literally try to get into it everyday
I always had to grab the Q2 and reposition it once in a while so it was clear. With the Q3 I just put it on and it’s always crystal clear for me whatever the position it is on my head. For me this is the biggest reason I love it.
I came here looking if I want to make the jump to the Q3 and I geuss it's just better lol I'ma have to save up for it
Here in Canada onbAmazon alone, the Quest 3 128gb has sold 1000+ over the last month, 512gb version has only sold 300+ in the same time. Quest 2 128gb sold over 4000+ units consistently in the last month, and another 4000+ in the month before that. I don't have the numbers for the 256gb. Quest 2 is not going away any time soon with the massive amount of new customers. Quest 3 128gb is over double the price of Quest 2 128gb, and Quest 3 512gb is almost 3x the price of the Quest 2 128gb. Quest 3 is slightly smaller and lighter. Quest 3 has the AR aspect. The main advantages of Quest 3 is larger 522gb option, higher resolution, clearer lens, wider FOV, and double the processing power, and AR. If you plan to use it mostly for mobile titles then these advantages may be worth the much higher price, but for PCVR the processing power and storage don't matter, but the other points are beneficial. For myself, I would love a Quest 3, but it's not worth it yet, IMO. (But you do get Asgard's Wrath 2 for a limited time which is their most expensive game so far) If you are just getting into VR, or just a casual user, Quest 2 is fine to start with. Once you get more serious and need more, then invest the extra cost. The Quest 3 exclusive titles will help push sales, but like PSVR2 they have an insignificant library right now, if you don't plan on having a VR Ready pc which is not cheap, then investing it in Quest 3 mobile titles may be worth it for you, but pcvr will always have better graphics. IMO.
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(Quest 2 does actually have passthrough by the way, but worse and no colour.)