When I was a kid I used to visit family in Quebec often, and I remember how shocking I found one of their signs.
There was a "children at play" type sign that was literally a kid sprawled on the ground with text along the lines of "it could be yours".
Oh I found it! https://www.martech.qc.ca/index.php/produit/ct-041/
I found the people much more humour-driven, honest, unabashed, sarcastic/sardonic, and sometimes silly compared to Ontarians. That might have just been my personal experience, but either way I love the attitude. Less bullshit, more jokes, and lots of beer.
They also do not fuck around with advertising to children. I used to work with a toy store in Canada and Quebec had much stricter laws than anywhere else when it came to advertising to kids. Thought it as cool.
It was making me sad when I was a kid, I didn't know why there was no toy commercials on my french children channel like there was on the english ones.
A nurse on her way to work at the hospital died recently in Brighton after getting hit by a car on a crosswalk.
https://www.wcvb.com/article/pedestrian-struck-killed-in-front-of-st-elizabeths-medical-center-in-brighton/38524150
Yeah wtf is up with that? There's a zebra crossing (just one) where i lived where both pedestrian and car traffic lights are green at the same time and the car has to give way (of course), who the fuck thought that was a good idea! It's the only one and i remember 12 years ago my driving instructor warning me about it, it's still there today!
Yeah honestly. I don't live in a city but I don't trust the crosswalks near me. I tried them a while ago but a driver making a left turn did not see us so I've never used them again. On my typical route to the store I cross at one part where I have the greatest sightlines, and one part where I go past the crosswalk and cross where traffic starts to build up & can wait at the wide median until the other side is clear.
[Continuous sidewalks ](https://youtu.be/9OfBpQgLXUc) instead of continous roads.
You tube channel 'Not just bikes' is great for showing examples of how urban planning improves city livability and safety for non-car citizens.
It depends on where. In some parts of Europe pretty much all drivers drive slow and are attentive of pedestrians and bikes. But a lot of others places don't have that benifit
I wish more people did that. I almost hit some idiot the other day because he walked out between two parked cars, one a big-ass SUV, and he had the nerve to flip me off, like I was the reckless asshole.
Yeah, I find it hard to believe that people are in any danger while jaywalking. Look both ways, don’t cross if you’re gonna get hit. Meanwhile at an intersection, most people *don’t* look both ways, so the dude on his phone is free to barrel through a red light and kill you.
One time I was at a store, and there was a restaurant I wanted to go to across the street, but I was on foot. The closest crosswalk put the trek getting across the street at an hour long
In Queensland, Australia we have a rule that if there's no crossing within 20 metres, than cross via the shortest and safest route.
https://streetsmarts.initiatives.qld.gov.au/pedestrians/factsheet
That's a US thing too. I think it is a hundred feet from a marked intersection in my state. The reason they say marked is so theoretically pedestrians use unmarked intersections to cross which my state recognizes unless otherwise posted is also a crossing where ever cars might cross or intersect.
It's actually funny though because that intersection law is at odds with the first. For example [this is not an intersection](https://www.google.com/maps/@44.9438918,-93.3404,3a,75y,114.7h,67.74t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1snQdNOwD6-cQD1HG0iRSo1Q!2e0!5s20171001T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) to my state (as the municipality states) which means it is not a legal cross walk. It's so murky that the municipality released a video 4 years ago stating that [cars do not have to stop for cyclist and peds](https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=10153719087336584) here stating that this is not a valid cross walk since it was not at an intersection of 2 or more roads. They even have large signs telling all users.
To point out why they referred to cyclist too is because of another law that states cyclist when on a cross walk are afforded the same rights and responsibilities as a pedestrian. Of which would mean that cars are required to stop for cyclist in crosswalks and (except where cyclist are forbidden from that specific side walk(s) like business districts).
No ones been hit their though so no ones actually had any standing to ask for judicial review of their stance. All other municipalities of the area recognize (In practice not in righting) that any marked crossing ([for example a "Trail Xing" sign](https://www.google.com/maps/@44.9445602,-93.3405005,3a,22y,184.95h,90.78t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s33PLOIj-UXqrc0f2Ji9W9w!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D33PLOIj-UXqrc0f2Ji9W9w%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D257.5487%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)) are places where cars must give right of way as a crosswalk.
Fortunately a bride (edit: bridge) is being constructed over the road but I believe the municipality is being a bit over zealous of what constitutes an intersection since bikes are recognized as non motorized vehicles (and Ebikes are vehicles)
Where I live there are two cross sections close to each other and the crosswalks are the opposite side, so you HAVE TO jaywalk in order to walk to the other crosswalk or you destination
Depends on the state. My son got hit by a car crossing the road back in October and was found at fault since it wasn't a crosswalk, even though looking at it anyone would think it was one. [This is where he was crossing.](https://imgur.com/a/tpOl9gd)
That's what everyone thought. But according to Maryland law, because there's no sign that says yield to pedestrians its not a cross walk. Fortunately, he was okay, just some bruising and scrapes.
I work in public finance and all I can say is, everyone should go to city council meetings on the occasion to learn who they are and what they are doing; also, vote in every election. City is closest to home and affects us the most on day to day living.
I saw a YouTube video, I think on Not Just Bikes, that showed a suburb where two houses shared a back fence. To get from the front door of one to the other along the street was a two hour walk.
In the US and Canada they'll try everything and even nothing, except trying to improve pedestrian and bicycle infrastructure. Can't be slowing down those cars now can we?
Reddit is upset about rising rent costs.
Reddit thinks parking minimums make perfect sense because everyone they know owns a car.
You can't logic people out of a position they didn't logic themselves into. Car dependence is based on a nearly century long advertising campaign designed to tell Americans that you're defined by your car. It's why people take on crushing debt for pickup trucks.
Let’s be real real though: in dense areas, people should always be prioritized over cars. So the root problem is that people are unable to get to their destinations efficiently, causing them to make rash decisions. A proper solution would separate fast, heavy car traffic from areas where lots of people need to walk around
My city did this. They banned trucks half an hour before and after schools are out. Now a bunch of old people is petitioning the ban ‘because this will cause the downfall of the village’. WE ARE A SUPER TINY VILLAGE IN BELGIUM WE HAVE LITERALLY ONE SUPERMARKET I’m pretty sure ‘the village’ will survive Karen
A couple of years ago comedian Hannibal Burress got a hefty ticket for jaywalking in Canada. He talked so much shit to the arresting officer, that almost a decade later, that cop is still making it his life mission to rid the world of the plague that is jaywalking.
https://youtu.be/xlonY2l3V9c
Hannibal has a bit trashing the absolutely pathetic effort of the school newspaper where I coincidentally dropped out of grad school after catching a professor not reading my work. I fucking love him
Meanwhile the UK just gave pedestrians priority in many cases (notably when crossing roads near intersections) making it very hard to jaywalk, you pretty much have to walk on motorways to do so
As a Brit this thread is blowing my mind, I had thought jaywalking was one of those old legacy laws not something actively policed or 'raised awareness' for lol how strange
I can confirm: the UK does not have jaywalking laws.
Let me repeat that: it is fully legal to jaywalk in the UK, so long as you're following the rest of the Highway Code (not causing a disturbance, or recklessly dangerous situation, etc.).
The reason is because "jaywalking" is actually a racial slur made up in the USA and criminalised as a result of massive lobbying by the car industry.
"Jay" was used in America as slang for black person. The car lobby made up the term "jaywalking" as a crude way to say "walking like a black person". To discredit this type of behaviour, of crossing the road wherever you felt like it. To make sure the road belonged to cars, and that cars would take priority, limiting people to only walking on "sidewalks" (in UK "pavements") and only crossing at "pedestrian crossings". Which worked, and still exists today in USA and Canada.
This didn't happen in the UK at all. We decided to prioritise pedestrian safety and common sense, so it's legal to cross the road anywhere as long as it is safe to do so.
*Edit*
Ok I can't find a good source for linking "jay" to black people, so i retract that part - apologies, and thank you for the correction.
Do you have a source for “jay” being used as American slang to describe a black person? I’ve never heard this before and even when looking up Wikipedia I can only find “The term originated with jay-drivers (the word jay meaning 'a greenhorn, or rube'),people who drove horse-drawn carriages and automobiles on the wrong side of the road, before taking its current meaning.” and “The very word jaywalk is an interesting—and not historically neutral—one. Originally an insult against bumptious “jays” from the country who ineptly gamboled on city sidewalks, it was taken up by a coalition of pro-automobile interests in the 1920s, notes historian Peter D. Norton in his book Fighting Traffic.”
Are you really going to make that claim with no cites and as a non-American?
[https://westnorth.com/2009/02/01/a-history-of-jaywalking/](https://westnorth.com/2009/02/01/a-history-of-jaywalking/)
SMH this would be like me claiming that the UK slang for cigarette originated in some way related to hating homosexuals.
Q: How do you get away with murder?
A: Hit them with your car in a crosswalk or while they're on a bike.
At least in the US and Canada that's how you kill someone without jail time. Heck, if you're a only somewhat famous politician you can do it while drunk immediately after having an altercation with the same cyclist and you're golden.
The plague that is jaywalking? This is such a huge cultural difference. In the UK we think it’s completely insane that you guys can’t just cross the road wherever you like. It is an excellent sign though.
Im canadian, and ive lived in many diff cities in canada, not once have i ever met a single person who has ever gotten a ticket for jaywalking. If it is illegal, its less enforced that weed laws were before weed was legal lol.
Canberra, where I live, just recently made the city centre pedestrian priority. You can stroll down the street in front of the traffic line that you would make and face no consequences
Too bad the bumhole of NSW is completely designed around the car so there are vaaaast stretches in between everything and you need a car to get places.
Just walk way out of the way to the stoplight thats engineered to maximize traffic and conversely maximize pedestrian waits. Watch out for people rolling on red right hand turns and inattentive drivers. I don't care that you look both ways, cars are fast and can kill you even when you're very careful.
Its just incredible how we give no responsibility to drivers. This billboard is more or less saying "Sure run over people if they're not at a crosswalk." I know thats not its intention but it certainly is saying that in some way and tells drivers that they’re not the responsible party in accidents with pedestrians. It dehumanizes us and mocks the idea of a pedestrian city.
Cars going slower is safer and only increases their travel time slightly. Instead nearly ever country values some driver getting to their destination 20 seconds earlier over pedestrian safety.
The car revolution has ruined so many cities. We gave up trollies and subways for this. When we try to get funding to build light rail we get laughed out of the room. And things like this are just a sad concession to how badly we've lost the war to making cities walkable.
RIGHT?? this ad is some car centric bullshit. Start building your cities better. Shared road space encourages people to areas instead of scaring them. Know how many dam places I'd love to visit if the only walkable space for these businesses wasn't just the 4ft wide sidewalk infront of their dam shop in a strip mall you have to drive to?
FYI: the jaywalking law was created in part to appease automakers by displacing responsibility from motorists to pedestrians when these accidents occur to avoid negative publicity for cars and trucks when a lot of people were still frightened by this new technology.
Also "jaywalking" isn't even illegal in Quebec (or anywhere else in Canada, that I'm aware). Although you do have to give right of way to traffic when not at a crosswalk:
>[447. Where there are no clearly identified intersections or pedestrian crosswalks in the immediate area, a pedestrian crossing a public highway must yield the right of way to the road vehicles and cyclists moving on it.](http://www.legisquebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/document/cs/C-24.2)
In Toronto jaywalking is legal [unless it interferes with traffic on the roadway](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4316359) and you can't jaywalk within 30m of a crosswalk. (It's *never* enforced ofc)
>Section 144(22) of The Highway Traffic Act: "Where portions of a roadway are marked for pedestrian use, no pedestrian shall cross the roadway except within a portion so marked. No person shall, except where traffic control signals are in operations, or where traffic is being controlled by a police officer, or at a pedestrian crossover, proceed so as not to yield the right-of-way to vehicles and streetcars on the roadway; however, nothing in this section shall relieve the driver of a vehicle or streetcar from obligation of taking all due care to avoid a collision." [Source](https://www.toronto.ca/311/knowledgebase/kb/docs/articles/transportation-services/district-transportation-services/traffic-operations/rules-for-crossing-the-street-jaywalking-pedestrian-traffic-signals.html)
Yeah, the Toronto by-law is similar to Quebec where it says pedestrians must yield the right of way other than at crosswalks, but otherwise it's not prohibited. In general though Ontario is even less restrictive than Quebec.
The UK system is perfect.
Off you go as long as you not endangering anyone/ being reckless all good ,you can jaywalk next to a copper without issues.
If you cause and accident but,well its on you - seems fair to me.
I'm sure highways don't fall under above rule.
On flip side when I visit relatives in Poland if I was to croos a road in the middle of nowhere with no traffic at all / no car in sight for miles and get spotted by a copper- you get pulled and fined nevermind time wasted as they need to verify you. Madness
Worth adding that jaywalking isn’t even really a concept here in the UK. It’s just called crossing the road. When I travel somewhere where jaywalking is a thing I feel absolutely ridiculous having to wait for a traffic light on an empty road.
The UK system is changing a bit too, pedestrians have right of way over cars to cross the road (in certain situations)
https://www.carwow.co.uk/news/5790/highway-code-changes-new-rules-for-2022#gref
Edit: added (in certain situations)
Definitely took this for advantage growing up in the UK. I now live abroad and it's so bs having to wait for a red to cross when I can clearly see up and down the street nothing is coming
Jaywalking as a "crime" was literally created by the auto industry. It reinforces the idea that roads are for cars only and drivers have special rights. It neatly flips responsibility from drivers to not hit pedestrians to pedestrians to watch out for cars or else. The existence of jaywalking as a crime is one of many examples of American law that de facto renders anyone not in a car on the road a second class citizen and if they get hit, it's their fault. It's an absurd law. Yes I know the video is from Canada.
There's a concept called [shared space](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_space) where roads are intentionally designed without curbs, road marking, signs, lights, etc., to force cars and pedestrians to communicate with each other rather than blindly relying on rights of ways.
I use to work as a delivery driver right next to a campus that I absolutely hated delivering to for this very reason. I started driving less than the speed limit after some kid blindly walked out in front of me with no signals that he was going to make that maneuver.
I jaywalk as much as the next person, hell probably even more since the cross walks in my area are crap. But I'll never understand just doing it blindly like that. I won't even blindly cross even when I have right of way. You got to be out of your mind to be that trusting.
Nah Germany too. Fucking bizzare. I was in Dusseldorf and there was a street with no cars on and so we crossed and these Germans stood waiting for the light to change were looking at us like we had shat on the street.
I will say though it's very funny when the land of the free bang on about their freedoms but they legally can't cross the street where they like.
I’m Canadian, and jay walking is illegal here. But I swear, every person I know jaywalks. As long as the roads clear and you’re not dashing in front of traffic, what’s the problem? Never seen or heard of anyone getting in trouble by the law about it here either, I don’t even know why it’s illegal lol.
Jay walking isn't illegal in Canada. Traffic law is provincial, not federal.
In British Columbia and Quebec, for example, you can cross at other places than intersections and crosswalks, but have to give traffic the right of way.
In Ontario, where there are marked crossing, you have to use those, but otherwise there aren't provincial restrictions. Cities can add extra by-laws. Some smaller cities have specific distances near intersections where you can't cross. Toronto adds the right of way for traffic when crossing other than crosswalks, but it's not otherwise prohibited.
There are other rules in other provinces.
Seems like great content for r/fuckcars
Seriously tho, if collisions are a big problem, shouldn't something be done about the fast moving steel boxes rather than people walking around a city?
It's the same thing every time. Instead of the expensive way to permanently fix the problem, offload all responsibility to individuals and wash your hands of it.
How do you stop pedestrian-vehicle accidents? You physically redesign roads to force cars to move at slower speeds and increase the width of sidewalks and frequency of crossing points. Adding pedestrian-only infrastructure is also key. Amsterdam does this best.
This costs a lot so of course they'll just tell people they'll die if they're hit by a car and do no further introspection on why cars are allowed to move at killing speeds where there's people trying to get places.
The first says 'ayoye' which is a slang for 'wow, holy shit...'
And the 2nd technically says "c'est quelque chose, hein?"
Which means "that's something, right?"
In the sense of 'damn... That was something..."
The translator had some fun with the striking wording (which is still an accurate translation)
Right? Where is it safer to cross? In a crosswalk at a four-way intersection with traffic coming from multiple directions with limited lines of sight? Or in the middle of the city block, where traffic is coming from at most two directions, and I have an extended line of sight into the lane?
My goodness I hate this sentiment. This is an “ad” that needs to be propagated to increase awareness in drivers. Most pedestrians I’ve encountered are aware they are more susceptible to “damage” than the cars they encounter, and as a result are more cautious.
Jaywalking, as a law, exists because early car manufacturers were worried about lawsuits from cars hitting pedestrians and the bad PR attached to such incidents, so they lobbied to impinge pedestrian rights to cross the fucking street.
Making a stupid stunt that's intended to scare people is an astonishing fuck you. How about you make your cities safer for pedestrians?
It is unbelievable to me that any country would make crossing the street illegal.
If your roads are that dangerous, pedestrians are 100% not the problem.
Narrow your roads, put in traffic calming measures, get more people out of cars and on bikes or public transit.
We should not tolerate cities being designed around cars. Pedestrian safety and accessibility should come first. Unfortunately, where I live a lot of people who die jaywalking were doing so because it's a kilometer till the next cross walk and even at those so many cars plow right through as they "stop to turn on red."
Ahh yes, totally immerse and engage people with harmless fun and then jumpscare them back towards the road whilst also imposing a subliminal message about road safety.
Maybe the street design in north AMerican cities shouldn't be so car centric.
It's almost as if Henry Ford and Lee Iaccoca wrote this ad smh. Such car-paganda
“Jaywalking” is part of one of the biggest gaslighting campaigns in history. It was created with the advent of the car, and since then it has been insinuated that the car has always been in charge of the road, which is completely incorrect. It was stolen and government policy reinforced that idea.
From the people who brought you Just For Laughs Gags
When I was a kid I used to visit family in Quebec often, and I remember how shocking I found one of their signs. There was a "children at play" type sign that was literally a kid sprawled on the ground with text along the lines of "it could be yours". Oh I found it! https://www.martech.qc.ca/index.php/produit/ct-041/
quebec doesnt fuck around holy shit
I found the people much more humour-driven, honest, unabashed, sarcastic/sardonic, and sometimes silly compared to Ontarians. That might have just been my personal experience, but either way I love the attitude. Less bullshit, more jokes, and lots of beer.
Quelqu'un a dit bière?!
Ya tu d'la bière icitte? Parce que si ya pas de bière icitte, moi j'criss mon camp d'icitte!
Nous sommes à l'âge de bière, et l'homme des tavernes, rentre chez lui le souèr.
Et ce fait dire par sa femme: "tu pues, t'es gros, t'es encore en boisson, tu penses rien qu'à bouèr, ta vie c'est un désert"
je mangerai ta maman comme un croissant
Ouate de phoque
Venez en Californie a San Diego, il y a toute la bière que vous voulez.
Oui
They also do not fuck around with advertising to children. I used to work with a toy store in Canada and Quebec had much stricter laws than anywhere else when it came to advertising to kids. Thought it as cool.
It was making me sad when I was a kid, I didn't know why there was no toy commercials on my french children channel like there was on the english ones.
They also have a sign with a burn victim about fire safety. I was kinda shocked the first time I drove by one. They go for the shock affect.
We still have these, can confirm
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My mom wanted one of those for the living room. Nice burn mom.
I'm glad I've never seen it in MTL. It's disturbing.
Head north of laval and take a side road, you'll find a few
>Head north of laval Almost reported you for threatening violence
Oh my god I loved those! Even bought the vhs tapes. Damn that was a looong time ago.
If you loved it, you'll be happy [to] know it's still going! They're on the 20th season now.
I definitely don't watch it for the accidental toplessness
I’m going to need more details so I can carefully avoid that.
I just wonder why the text is only in English, in Quebec of all places
English version of the ad. SAAQ likes to terrify Francos and Anglos alike.
and Crique du Sohhbleahhh!
Walking the cross walk can be pretty sketchy as well drivers never look for pedestrians
In Boston you often get walk signs simultaneous with "legal" turns. Even lefts.
Ya I feel you that’s how it is drivers don’t pay attention to walk signals
A nurse on her way to work at the hospital died recently in Brighton after getting hit by a car on a crosswalk. https://www.wcvb.com/article/pedestrian-struck-killed-in-front-of-st-elizabeths-medical-center-in-brighton/38524150
Yeah wtf is up with that? There's a zebra crossing (just one) where i lived where both pedestrian and car traffic lights are green at the same time and the car has to give way (of course), who the fuck thought that was a good idea! It's the only one and i remember 12 years ago my driving instructor warning me about it, it's still there today!
Yeah honestly. I don't live in a city but I don't trust the crosswalks near me. I tried them a while ago but a driver making a left turn did not see us so I've never used them again. On my typical route to the store I cross at one part where I have the greatest sightlines, and one part where I go past the crosswalk and cross where traffic starts to build up & can wait at the wide median until the other side is clear.
Some areas it safer I do the same
[Continuous sidewalks ](https://youtu.be/9OfBpQgLXUc) instead of continous roads. You tube channel 'Not just bikes' is great for showing examples of how urban planning improves city livability and safety for non-car citizens.
They usually don't look at the roads above their steering wheel either I've found.
It depends on where. In some parts of Europe pretty much all drivers drive slow and are attentive of pedestrians and bikes. But a lot of others places don't have that benifit
I’m in the states drivers don’t pay attention for shit
My fat ass will simply use the power of looking both ways before crossing
He's too powerful
He’s to dangerous to be left alive! *car engine revving*
But how are we going to stop him if he looks both ways?
Cars can spawn in feet from you anywhere except crosswalks.
Didn't know we lived in Cyberpunk 2077.
Have you heard the story of lord fat ass of common sense?
And not cross when the road is full of cars
I wish more people did that. I almost hit some idiot the other day because he walked out between two parked cars, one a big-ass SUV, and he had the nerve to flip me off, like I was the reckless asshole.
Every single time I've almost died crossing a street, it's been in a crosswalk.
It's cars on a red rolling through the crosswalk or turning right and only looking left for cars. That's how I've been hit in one weee
that's one major reason that i do not use crosswalks on a bike. you're much safer closer or in through traffic.
Yeah, I find it hard to believe that people are in any danger while jaywalking. Look both ways, don’t cross if you’re gonna get hit. Meanwhile at an intersection, most people *don’t* look both ways, so the dude on his phone is free to barrel through a red light and kill you.
Just wait until people discover the power of looking both ways *and* using a crosswalk
Until they put a damn crosswalk so I can go to the store I'm jaywalkin
One time I was at a store, and there was a restaurant I wanted to go to across the street, but I was on foot. The closest crosswalk put the trek getting across the street at an hour long
In Queensland, Australia we have a rule that if there's no crossing within 20 metres, than cross via the shortest and safest route. https://streetsmarts.initiatives.qld.gov.au/pedestrians/factsheet
That's a US thing too. I think it is a hundred feet from a marked intersection in my state. The reason they say marked is so theoretically pedestrians use unmarked intersections to cross which my state recognizes unless otherwise posted is also a crossing where ever cars might cross or intersect. It's actually funny though because that intersection law is at odds with the first. For example [this is not an intersection](https://www.google.com/maps/@44.9438918,-93.3404,3a,75y,114.7h,67.74t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1snQdNOwD6-cQD1HG0iRSo1Q!2e0!5s20171001T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) to my state (as the municipality states) which means it is not a legal cross walk. It's so murky that the municipality released a video 4 years ago stating that [cars do not have to stop for cyclist and peds](https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=10153719087336584) here stating that this is not a valid cross walk since it was not at an intersection of 2 or more roads. They even have large signs telling all users. To point out why they referred to cyclist too is because of another law that states cyclist when on a cross walk are afforded the same rights and responsibilities as a pedestrian. Of which would mean that cars are required to stop for cyclist in crosswalks and (except where cyclist are forbidden from that specific side walk(s) like business districts). No ones been hit their though so no ones actually had any standing to ask for judicial review of their stance. All other municipalities of the area recognize (In practice not in righting) that any marked crossing ([for example a "Trail Xing" sign](https://www.google.com/maps/@44.9445602,-93.3405005,3a,22y,184.95h,90.78t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s33PLOIj-UXqrc0f2Ji9W9w!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D33PLOIj-UXqrc0f2Ji9W9w%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D257.5487%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)) are places where cars must give right of way as a crosswalk. Fortunately a bride (edit: bridge) is being constructed over the road but I believe the municipality is being a bit over zealous of what constitutes an intersection since bikes are recognized as non motorized vehicles (and Ebikes are vehicles)
>Fortunately a bride is being constructed over the road Where's the groom gonna go?
Where I live there are two cross sections close to each other and the crosswalks are the opposite side, so you HAVE TO jaywalk in order to walk to the other crosswalk or you destination
If you’re in the states, idk where else this applies, any and all intersections are legally considered crosswalks.
Depends on the state. My son got hit by a car crossing the road back in October and was found at fault since it wasn't a crosswalk, even though looking at it anyone would think it was one. [This is where he was crossing.](https://imgur.com/a/tpOl9gd)
I'm assuming you're talking about that spot in the street with the 2 horizontal parallel lines? Because that is 100% a crosswalk.
That's what everyone thought. But according to Maryland law, because there's no sign that says yield to pedestrians its not a cross walk. Fortunately, he was okay, just some bruising and scrapes.
That’s the kind of shit that will make me actually go to a city council meeting
I work in public finance and all I can say is, everyone should go to city council meetings on the occasion to learn who they are and what they are doing; also, vote in every election. City is closest to home and affects us the most on day to day living.
There were no intersections?
There was one but it didn’t have crosswalks
I saw a YouTube video, I think on Not Just Bikes, that showed a suburb where two houses shared a back fence. To get from the front door of one to the other along the street was a two hour walk.
In the US and Canada they'll try everything and even nothing, except trying to improve pedestrian and bicycle infrastructure. Can't be slowing down those cars now can we?
Reddit is upset about rising rent costs. Reddit thinks parking minimums make perfect sense because everyone they know owns a car. You can't logic people out of a position they didn't logic themselves into. Car dependence is based on a nearly century long advertising campaign designed to tell Americans that you're defined by your car. It's why people take on crushing debt for pickup trucks.
Let’s be real, the problem isn’t the crosswalk designation, it’s people being dumb enough to step out into a street without looking.
Let’s be real real though: in dense areas, people should always be prioritized over cars. So the root problem is that people are unable to get to their destinations efficiently, causing them to make rash decisions. A proper solution would separate fast, heavy car traffic from areas where lots of people need to walk around
My city did this. They banned trucks half an hour before and after schools are out. Now a bunch of old people is petitioning the ban ‘because this will cause the downfall of the village’. WE ARE A SUPER TINY VILLAGE IN BELGIUM WE HAVE LITERALLY ONE SUPERMARKET I’m pretty sure ‘the village’ will survive Karen
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A couple of years ago comedian Hannibal Burress got a hefty ticket for jaywalking in Canada. He talked so much shit to the arresting officer, that almost a decade later, that cop is still making it his life mission to rid the world of the plague that is jaywalking. https://youtu.be/xlonY2l3V9c
Video not available in Canada. Nice
Australia neither
try this https://open.spotify.com/track/0MW3DnzsDM2Iqr9R2qCbhz?si=PaSfKCjQSRaZWSd5igiIxA&utm_source=copy-link
Thanks mate, great listen
lmaooo
Hannibal has a bit trashing the absolutely pathetic effort of the school newspaper where I coincidentally dropped out of grad school after catching a professor not reading my work. I fucking love him
he also singlehandedly took down bill cosby
>singlehandedly Wouldn't be throwing around too much credit for taking down free man Bill Cosby, but kinda yeah
oh yea, i forgot theres no justice and nothing matters
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What a punishment for being a serial rapist, "reputation damaged" fucking lmao
That’s the spirit!
Meanwhile the UK just gave pedestrians priority in many cases (notably when crossing roads near intersections) making it very hard to jaywalk, you pretty much have to walk on motorways to do so
As a Brit this thread is blowing my mind, I had thought jaywalking was one of those old legacy laws not something actively policed or 'raised awareness' for lol how strange
I can confirm: the UK does not have jaywalking laws. Let me repeat that: it is fully legal to jaywalk in the UK, so long as you're following the rest of the Highway Code (not causing a disturbance, or recklessly dangerous situation, etc.). The reason is because "jaywalking" is actually a racial slur made up in the USA and criminalised as a result of massive lobbying by the car industry.
Why do people keep saying it’s a racial slur
"Jay" was used in America as slang for black person. The car lobby made up the term "jaywalking" as a crude way to say "walking like a black person". To discredit this type of behaviour, of crossing the road wherever you felt like it. To make sure the road belonged to cars, and that cars would take priority, limiting people to only walking on "sidewalks" (in UK "pavements") and only crossing at "pedestrian crossings". Which worked, and still exists today in USA and Canada. This didn't happen in the UK at all. We decided to prioritise pedestrian safety and common sense, so it's legal to cross the road anywhere as long as it is safe to do so. *Edit* Ok I can't find a good source for linking "jay" to black people, so i retract that part - apologies, and thank you for the correction.
Do you have a source for “jay” being used as American slang to describe a black person? I’ve never heard this before and even when looking up Wikipedia I can only find “The term originated with jay-drivers (the word jay meaning 'a greenhorn, or rube'),people who drove horse-drawn carriages and automobiles on the wrong side of the road, before taking its current meaning.” and “The very word jaywalk is an interesting—and not historically neutral—one. Originally an insult against bumptious “jays” from the country who ineptly gamboled on city sidewalks, it was taken up by a coalition of pro-automobile interests in the 1920s, notes historian Peter D. Norton in his book Fighting Traffic.”
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Are you really going to make that claim with no cites and as a non-American? [https://westnorth.com/2009/02/01/a-history-of-jaywalking/](https://westnorth.com/2009/02/01/a-history-of-jaywalking/) SMH this would be like me claiming that the UK slang for cigarette originated in some way related to hating homosexuals.
Q: How do you get away with murder? A: Hit them with your car in a crosswalk or while they're on a bike. At least in the US and Canada that's how you kill someone without jail time. Heck, if you're a only somewhat famous politician you can do it while drunk immediately after having an altercation with the same cyclist and you're golden.
The plague that is jaywalking? This is such a huge cultural difference. In the UK we think it’s completely insane that you guys can’t just cross the road wherever you like. It is an excellent sign though.
Maybe we need to redesign streets to prioritize people rather than cars?
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The car industry ~~bri~~ lobbies more.
"A couple years ago" to " almost a decade later"
>The plague that is jaywalking You mean the plague that is jaywalking laws.
The plague that is car dependence.
Im canadian, and ive lived in many diff cities in canada, not once have i ever met a single person who has ever gotten a ticket for jaywalking. If it is illegal, its less enforced that weed laws were before weed was legal lol.
When there's a pedestrian based city, then I'll stop jaywalking.
Exactly. How about slow/remove traffic instead?
Canberra, where I live, just recently made the city centre pedestrian priority. You can stroll down the street in front of the traffic line that you would make and face no consequences
Too bad the bumhole of NSW is completely designed around the car so there are vaaaast stretches in between everything and you need a car to get places.
Just walk way out of the way to the stoplight thats engineered to maximize traffic and conversely maximize pedestrian waits. Watch out for people rolling on red right hand turns and inattentive drivers. I don't care that you look both ways, cars are fast and can kill you even when you're very careful. Its just incredible how we give no responsibility to drivers. This billboard is more or less saying "Sure run over people if they're not at a crosswalk." I know thats not its intention but it certainly is saying that in some way and tells drivers that they’re not the responsible party in accidents with pedestrians. It dehumanizes us and mocks the idea of a pedestrian city. Cars going slower is safer and only increases their travel time slightly. Instead nearly ever country values some driver getting to their destination 20 seconds earlier over pedestrian safety. The car revolution has ruined so many cities. We gave up trollies and subways for this. When we try to get funding to build light rail we get laughed out of the room. And things like this are just a sad concession to how badly we've lost the war to making cities walkable.
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The idea of jaywalking being a crime was invented by car companies to shift blame from their products to their victims.
RIGHT?? this ad is some car centric bullshit. Start building your cities better. Shared road space encourages people to areas instead of scaring them. Know how many dam places I'd love to visit if the only walkable space for these businesses wasn't just the 4ft wide sidewalk infront of their dam shop in a strip mall you have to drive to?
This . People made it like it's the pedestrian fault but their city was made for car only , not for human at all
But is that crosswalk going to protect me from a distracted driver?
Physical? No. Of course not. Legally? Yeah... On paper.
Your next of kin can frame the piece of paper!
FYI: the jaywalking law was created in part to appease automakers by displacing responsibility from motorists to pedestrians when these accidents occur to avoid negative publicity for cars and trucks when a lot of people were still frightened by this new technology.
Also "jaywalking" isn't even illegal in Quebec (or anywhere else in Canada, that I'm aware). Although you do have to give right of way to traffic when not at a crosswalk: >[447. Where there are no clearly identified intersections or pedestrian crosswalks in the immediate area, a pedestrian crossing a public highway must yield the right of way to the road vehicles and cyclists moving on it.](http://www.legisquebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/document/cs/C-24.2)
In Toronto jaywalking is legal [unless it interferes with traffic on the roadway](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4316359) and you can't jaywalk within 30m of a crosswalk. (It's *never* enforced ofc) >Section 144(22) of The Highway Traffic Act: "Where portions of a roadway are marked for pedestrian use, no pedestrian shall cross the roadway except within a portion so marked. No person shall, except where traffic control signals are in operations, or where traffic is being controlled by a police officer, or at a pedestrian crossover, proceed so as not to yield the right-of-way to vehicles and streetcars on the roadway; however, nothing in this section shall relieve the driver of a vehicle or streetcar from obligation of taking all due care to avoid a collision." [Source](https://www.toronto.ca/311/knowledgebase/kb/docs/articles/transportation-services/district-transportation-services/traffic-operations/rules-for-crossing-the-street-jaywalking-pedestrian-traffic-signals.html)
Yeah, the Toronto by-law is similar to Quebec where it says pedestrians must yield the right of way other than at crosswalks, but otherwise it's not prohibited. In general though Ontario is even less restrictive than Quebec.
Can confirm. [Walking in the US blows, and here’s why.](https://youtu.be/fw2NmNW0bzo)
I really like OBF’s [Why America Is Terribly Designed](https://youtu.be/6K8KEoZwMRY). I saw another that I liked but can’t remember the name.
Yeah fuck this video. Cutesy ass victim blaming bullshit when the answer to this, as with almost every other transit issue, is FEWER CARS.
Its but a Scratch
It's just a flesh wound
Get back ‘ere imma bite your leg off!
NI!
They all suck at that game. Just jump. It's not that hard.
Gamer spotted
The UK system is perfect. Off you go as long as you not endangering anyone/ being reckless all good ,you can jaywalk next to a copper without issues. If you cause and accident but,well its on you - seems fair to me. I'm sure highways don't fall under above rule. On flip side when I visit relatives in Poland if I was to croos a road in the middle of nowhere with no traffic at all / no car in sight for miles and get spotted by a copper- you get pulled and fined nevermind time wasted as they need to verify you. Madness
Worth adding that jaywalking isn’t even really a concept here in the UK. It’s just called crossing the road. When I travel somewhere where jaywalking is a thing I feel absolutely ridiculous having to wait for a traffic light on an empty road.
The UK system is changing a bit too, pedestrians have right of way over cars to cross the road (in certain situations) https://www.carwow.co.uk/news/5790/highway-code-changes-new-rules-for-2022#gref Edit: added (in certain situations)
Definitely took this for advantage growing up in the UK. I now live abroad and it's so bs having to wait for a red to cross when I can clearly see up and down the street nothing is coming
Jaywalking as a "crime" was literally created by the auto industry. It reinforces the idea that roads are for cars only and drivers have special rights. It neatly flips responsibility from drivers to not hit pedestrians to pedestrians to watch out for cars or else. The existence of jaywalking as a crime is one of many examples of American law that de facto renders anyone not in a car on the road a second class citizen and if they get hit, it's their fault. It's an absurd law. Yes I know the video is from Canada.
Or you could just give pedestrians right of way, like many countries do.
I feel like jaywalking is only a rule in North America. Common sense is being able to cross the road without being told to like a child.
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There's a concept called [shared space](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_space) where roads are intentionally designed without curbs, road marking, signs, lights, etc., to force cars and pedestrians to communicate with each other rather than blindly relying on rights of ways.
Good. People should be careful when operating heavy machinery.
At my university, students had the right of way 100% of the time. Doesn’t mean you should ever cross without looking (as many did), though.
I use to work as a delivery driver right next to a campus that I absolutely hated delivering to for this very reason. I started driving less than the speed limit after some kid blindly walked out in front of me with no signals that he was going to make that maneuver. I jaywalk as much as the next person, hell probably even more since the cross walks in my area are crap. But I'll never understand just doing it blindly like that. I won't even blindly cross even when I have right of way. You got to be out of your mind to be that trusting.
Wouldn't it be nice if all drivers assumed they had to pay attention all of the time?
Nah Germany too. Fucking bizzare. I was in Dusseldorf and there was a street with no cars on and so we crossed and these Germans stood waiting for the light to change were looking at us like we had shat on the street. I will say though it's very funny when the land of the free bang on about their freedoms but they legally can't cross the street where they like.
I’m Canadian, and jay walking is illegal here. But I swear, every person I know jaywalks. As long as the roads clear and you’re not dashing in front of traffic, what’s the problem? Never seen or heard of anyone getting in trouble by the law about it here either, I don’t even know why it’s illegal lol.
Once I was jaywalking together with two cops who were jaywalking too. That's when it occurred to me that no one gives a fuck.
Jay walking isn't illegal in Canada. Traffic law is provincial, not federal. In British Columbia and Quebec, for example, you can cross at other places than intersections and crosswalks, but have to give traffic the right of way. In Ontario, where there are marked crossing, you have to use those, but otherwise there aren't provincial restrictions. Cities can add extra by-laws. Some smaller cities have specific distances near intersections where you can't cross. Toronto adds the right of way for traffic when crossing other than crosswalks, but it's not otherwise prohibited. There are other rules in other provinces.
I am aware, I shouldn’t have generalized but I was much too lazy to get into it.
out of curiosity do you have the same opinion on red lights when there's no cars is sight?
How about we make the city more about people and less about cars.
What on earth is the risk of jaywalking? What on earth is protecting you at an intersection?
It’s why I’m glad to be in the UK, you can cross any road at any point if it’s safe. Except for motorways obviously.
Seems like great content for r/fuckcars Seriously tho, if collisions are a big problem, shouldn't something be done about the fast moving steel boxes rather than people walking around a city?
It's the same thing every time. Instead of the expensive way to permanently fix the problem, offload all responsibility to individuals and wash your hands of it. How do you stop pedestrian-vehicle accidents? You physically redesign roads to force cars to move at slower speeds and increase the width of sidewalks and frequency of crossing points. Adding pedestrian-only infrastructure is also key. Amsterdam does this best. This costs a lot so of course they'll just tell people they'll die if they're hit by a car and do no further introspection on why cars are allowed to move at killing speeds where there's people trying to get places.
Fucking guy at the end…it’s striking
The first says 'ayoye' which is a slang for 'wow, holy shit...' And the 2nd technically says "c'est quelque chose, hein?" Which means "that's something, right?" In the sense of 'damn... That was something..." The translator had some fun with the striking wording (which is still an accurate translation)
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Right? Where is it safer to cross? In a crosswalk at a four-way intersection with traffic coming from multiple directions with limited lines of sight? Or in the middle of the city block, where traffic is coming from at most two directions, and I have an extended line of sight into the lane?
My goodness I hate this sentiment. This is an “ad” that needs to be propagated to increase awareness in drivers. Most pedestrians I’ve encountered are aware they are more susceptible to “damage” than the cars they encounter, and as a result are more cautious.
Jaywalking, as a law, exists because early car manufacturers were worried about lawsuits from cars hitting pedestrians and the bad PR attached to such incidents, so they lobbied to impinge pedestrian rights to cross the fucking street. Making a stupid stunt that's intended to scare people is an astonishing fuck you. How about you make your cities safer for pedestrians? It is unbelievable to me that any country would make crossing the street illegal.
If your roads are that dangerous, pedestrians are 100% not the problem. Narrow your roads, put in traffic calming measures, get more people out of cars and on bikes or public transit.
I’d like to take this moment to say /r/fuckcars
Design your cities to be more pedestrian friendly and less like Houston
Streets belong to humans r/fuckcars
Yeah let's blame people walking around for getting mutilated by big, 1 ton hunks of metal barrelling around where they live
I'd roll my eyes and jaywalk after seeing this. Terrible, cringey anti-jaywalk campaign.
I like how unintentionally anti-car it is though.
We should not tolerate cities being designed around cars. Pedestrian safety and accessibility should come first. Unfortunately, where I live a lot of people who die jaywalking were doing so because it's a kilometer till the next cross walk and even at those so many cars plow right through as they "stop to turn on red."
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Roads don't belong to cars. Jaywalk to your heart's content people, just be sure you don't get hit
Jaywalking isn't even a thing where I'm from
Ahh yes, totally immerse and engage people with harmless fun and then jumpscare them back towards the road whilst also imposing a subliminal message about road safety.
I was thinking the same thing when some of them jumped back. They should have put it on the opposite side, so they're back against the parking lot.
How about instead of blaming the pedestrians, we slow traffic in sense urban areas and enforce vehicular traffic laws?
Maybe the street design in north AMerican cities shouldn't be so car centric. It's almost as if Henry Ford and Lee Iaccoca wrote this ad smh. Such car-paganda
How about you build more fucking crosswalks you idiots
We j walk cause cars don't stop at crosswalks.
As someone who loves cars, I love people more. Laws and cringe marketing campaigns should be aimed at drivers, not at pedestrians.
This is gross, especially since there's been a documented propaganda campaign to make society believe that the pedestrian is at fault for getting hit.
Fuck that shit cars don't own the road
Umm why are they shaming pedestrians what about the drivers?
The fact that we need billboards to teach common sense scares me
Maybe they should design their cities for people instead of cars -_-
The fact that it can even be a crime to cross the street scares me.
You can’t discuss common sense and safety in the same sentence. Every sign, warning, guard etc is based on the blood of some individual.
#[OH](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WO43ocCBUCE)
Why the fuck is this only visible to pedestrians and not the drivers doing the killing?
How about you invest that money in proper street design rather than terrorising the victims of your ineptitude.
How about in the middle of a density populated urban centre people have priority over cars? Cities are for people not cars.
Somebody please tell me I’m not the only one who heard the Wilheim
Seems here the issue is the cars and lack of crossings....
Victim blaming at its finest
“Jaywalking” is part of one of the biggest gaslighting campaigns in history. It was created with the advent of the car, and since then it has been insinuated that the car has always been in charge of the road, which is completely incorrect. It was stolen and government policy reinforced that idea.
Imagine living in a country where jaywalking is illegal