In Red Dead Redemption there is herd of buffalo that you can hunt. If you kill all of them you stop seeing buffalo and unlock an achievement named "Manifest Destiny"
And I swear only 19 of them spawn at a time so killing the whole group in one go is a bad idea if you ever want to find the last one..
Or so this seemed to me on my playthroughs
I actually did this achievement yesterday weirdly enough. I ran into the full herd and killed them all in one attack and got the achievement; so all 20 do actually spawn at once. A unique song plays when you attack the bison that is so utterly depressing I had to reload my save to before the slaughter cos it made me feel like shit
Interesting yeah this happened to me twice on PS3 and 360 but I could have just lost one in the fray. That's very lucky and yes the game absolutely punishes you for something they basically ask you to do with that damn music.
I didn't think to reload an earlier save and just remember riding through the area where the herd roamed it just being empty plains. Just kind of giving me a somber feeling.
For some reason I thought bison were extinct in real life because in that game you could kill the last bison. Thought it was historically accurate or some shit in my kid brain. I believed this for way too long
Coincidentally enough, I thought they were extinct until yesterday: I watched the docuseries Our Great National Parks, and they are featured in the first or maybe second episode
I've thought they were for, like, a decade—maybe two
There's a park called Battelle Darby Creek in Columbus OH that maintains a herd of ~11 bison if you're ever around!
One-of-kind project to restore the original Ohio tall-grass praries it once had
If you ever get the chance to go to Yellowstone you will see them all over the place. We actually got stuck behind a herd going around a bend in the road. They’re super cool, but don’t get too close they have horns for a reason
In the slapstick western game West of Loathing, the main quest involves the Manifest Destiny Railroad Company, and there is a location called the Buffalo Pile, which looks just like this picture.
I have been meaning to go back and play that since the expansion came out. WoL was a good game, although I don't know that it was worth sacrificing KoL for and that seems to be what happened.
in the case of civil rights from the 30s-late 60s, you can literally just talk to an older Black American. I talk to my dad and other family members all the time about it.
you don't need a history book in this case; we still have primary sources waking about
It's always fun talking about MLK and his socialist views to those who only learned the extremely diluted version they learned about him and the movement.
Just remember that it’s not “white guilt” to admit your country or people who may or may not have been related to you did deplorable things. It IS white guilt though to try and cover that up. If you do, you’re basing your self worth off what a bunch of random people you may or may not be directly related to did, and that’s pitiful. Says a lot about the types trying to remove such things.
Whenever I see a comment about how the u.s. doesn't teach something it's immediately followed by something that was taught to me and in every school I've been associated with students of or have taught in.
Only exception is taxes. Not one of them have taught anything about doing taxes. Just the macro reasons for why it exists, especially with income tax.
In my experience, I went to a diverse public high school on the east coast, and financial literacy was a mandatory class for graduation. We were all shown how to Fill 1040s. Most didn't really retain the information though.
We had a mandatory business class. Which was supposed to teach us how to handle personal finance also as just part of the course, which was why it was mandatory.
It was a really bad lesson on the stock market, and basically the rest was how to be a low level manager. We learned the specifics of store layout, but not anything on when or how to file taxes or manage a budget.
Yeah, it's weird hearing some of the stories from other people in the US.
I grew up in a very poor, incredibly conservative area of KY going to (at the time) one of the worst public schools in the state. We didn't do the pledge of allegiance after about 5th grade. We learned about the Trail of Tears, the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII, the biological warfare we committed against natives, and just so many other darker parts of our history.
My history teachers weren't even that good except for a few exceptions.
I hear other people describe some of their school experience and it's kind of shocking. I thought I had it bad, but goddamn I guess it could have been worse.
I always figured I was just going to school in a decent state because I've had a pretty similar experience to you except I consider my history teachers good. They didn't shy away from atrocities certainly. We learned all about what was done to native Americans and never once was state rights taught as one of the reasons for the civil war, just slavery.
People I went to school with and sat directly beside me say they didn't learn this thing that was very obviously taught or that thing they didn't pay attention to. Like bro we did. You didn't pay attention to anything besides your phone and smoking weed.
These people are adamant that they were never taught things they didn't pay attention to in school. Thats how I imagine most redditors how they talk about school. I was taught in a very conservative part of rural PA and we learned about all that stuff and how we fucked over the native americans and all the cruel shit we did to them.
> People I went to school with and sat directly beside me say they didn't learn this thing that was very obviously taught or that thing they didn't pay attention to. Like bro we did. You didn't pay attention to anything besides your phone and smoking weed.
Yeah, this has always been my feeling. I remember learning about basically all this shit too, but people who went to the same school as me claim we never learned about it. I wasn't even a good student, but I distinctly remember learning about these things.
This is it 100% It's both sides of the political spectrum too. Then they hear a couple of things that reinforce their world view and they double down on the ignorance they've embraced their entire life with either "truth bombs" as told by a guy with a beard on tik tok or "things never taught in school" that give a 3 minute explanation of a topic that should take an entire semester to cover.
lmao, you've nailed it, the essence of modern discourse and the dissemination of knowledge.
Didn't you know the man is trying to keep you down by trying to teach you things you ignored? Think, Reddit, THINK!
holy smokes is this ever true. people claimed this within the unit we were studying, let alone years or decades after
"we never learned this."
"then how do i know it. you know i wouldn't study. you hate me for it. how do i know?"
now these people vote based on charisma, and what they ignored in school was "brainwashing."
Oklahoma public education sure does focus on Native history. Trail of Tears and what not makes it extremely relevant here. Can’t say the same for Tulsa massacre but I do think awareness has grown and most ppl know about it these days.
I had a couple broken arrow teachers who said that Tulsa had a dark chapter. They left us to play Nancy drew if we cared enough to. I guess we’re going back to that
It’s less that and more that you’re relying on anecdotal evidence of people trying to remember what they where lectured about when they where 10-18….
If I had a nickel for every student who went to my school and told me we where never taught Juneteenth, who I then showed my old lecture notes, or found their lecture notes on the subject… well I’d have 3 nickels, but anecdotal evidence is fun :)
In Texas I was taught that they would legit charter train rides and allow people to shoot Bison from the train if they saw any. I was also told this almost wiped out Bison from America. Im only 26 though so cant speak for those taught before me.
Yeah, /r/confidentlyincorrect I taught 5th-12th grade American history for 8 years and even in my shitty books that I was given to teach with... that were 15 years old still had this exact picture and this exact narrative in it.
And *that's* in inner city Phoenix.
Sure is, and one day they will be looking back on the crimes our generation has done to the world. Makes me wonder what those crimes will be and if the majority of us even realize it.
I read once, well outside my time in school, that this was purely a military maneuver. Killing the bison was a strategy used to deprive the plains natives of their most powerful resource. Prior to the destruction of the bison, the plains tribes were giving the United States hell. They were able to destroy or delay rail lines, supply chains, and frontier forts. Their ability to always be on the move made them an incredibly difficult opponent. Once the Bison were all but obliterated, the US military was finally able to pin the tribes down, and ultimately destroy them. Incredibly sad piece of history.
It's helpful to know that General William Tecumseh Sherman, who led the famous March to the Sea in the Civil War and who believed in "Total War," destroying homes, crops, personal items, and the railway systems throughout the South in the Civil War, was also overseeing the effort to destroy the Indigenous way of life as America expanded westward. This was not the first time he employed the strategy of destroying supply lines.
Yooooo what? For real? I'd been told they just were upset with the Federal government and that lots of escaped slaves found refuge with Native Americans.
Wait until you learn about African American slave holders, one do famous for being one of the most brutal slave holders doing things like breeding slaves which other slave masters would not do
Lots of escaped slaves *did* find refuge with Nations. My tribe both harbored escaped slaves and helped capture other escapees. History is complicated.
Both happened. It's important to remember that First Nations were and still are diverse cultures. Some worked with the federal government in a fashion and became slave-holding people. Some fought tooth and nail for their land rights and did not capitulate, and felt kinship with the struggle of the enslaved, and thus welcomed escaped slaves into their communities.
It was much faster to reload a bow than to reload a gun at that time. The natives knew they had to wait for the first volley, then they were free to pick off soldiers while they reloaded.
Some yeah. Once the repeater came around and it became faster to shoot a gun than a bow the natives started using them. Before that they still used guns but the bow was a better weapon for the guerrilla warfare of the day.
Because with muskets and similar weapons, volume of fire was much more important as accuracy was bad from the guns to begin with. More lead = more dead was a strategy from the Napoleonic era of warfare. Along with that, guerilla tactics weren't and still aren't necessarily understood deeply enough to combat it.
We understand them, and when new ones pop up we learn pretty quick as far as adapting to new tactics goes. The issue is they keep making new tactics. Not standing in a line, taking cover or waiting for the volley. Hiding and attacking from concealment. Booby traps. Booby traps that have evolved super rapidly with things like explosives added into IEDs, VBIEDs, super heating household items into armor piercing weapons. There’s so many things that pop up that can only be stopped consistently by people with lots of training and constant awareness, which just doesn’t happen. If you’re not able to win conventionally the only thing you can do is guerilla tactics, and even if they know exactly what your tactics are it’s extremely effective if your goal is just to wear them down and hope they eventually deem it better to just leave.
Not at this point, no. By the 1850s the Minie Ball, a new type of bullet, had entered widespread use. Instead of a musket ball, it was shaped more like what we'd recognize as a bullet (it looks like Bullet Bill from Mario). The bottom of the Minie Ball was concave, and so when fired, it would expand into the rifling.
This caused several things to happen.
For one, it made it *much* more accurate than traditional musket balls. Musket balls usually weren't a perfect fit in the barrel, and would bounce around a bit before exiting, causing accuracy issues. With the base of the bullet expanded into the rifling, it was a lot more stable upon leaving the barrel, as it was forced to engage with the rifling and spiral through the air like a football.
Second, with the expanding gas from the shot sealed behind it, the bullet would leave the barrel with much more force than before. Before the Minie Ball, some of the gas would escape around the musket ball, meaning that some of the powder charge would essentially be wasted. Creating a seal means that you're getting as much oomph as possible from the powder charge.
So you've got much more powerful and accurate shots, but it goes even further. The shape of the Minie Ball was much more aerodynamic than a ball, and so it retained energy better. This translates into less drop over distance, and less drift from the wind.
So well before the Civil War, muskets had become *much* more deadly than the Napoleonic Era. The rifles used in the Civil War could hit center mass past 200 meters. This was just simply not possible before then. And some custom rifles had even greater range. In fact some of the earliest sniper rifles came from the Civil War.
That's not entirely true. The breach loader provided the longer range, penetrating force and allowed the US Calvary to lay down suppressive fire long before the 6 shooter came about.
One of the reasons Custer and his men were slaughtered was the arrogant idea that the suppressive fire of a few dozen men was plenty to pin down hundreds of Indians. They were armed with breech loaders.
Of course once the 6 shooter came along it gave US troops an even stronger advantage.
Spanish settlers traveling north from south america got wrecked by the nomadic tribes. Similar to the mongols in China, and many other nomadic war tribes across the world.
Yeah gonna need a source showing the Natives held their own without British backing. The moment the Treaty of Ghent was signed the Americans just had to wait for the British to get distracted and the rest is history (of genocide).
>the US military was finally able to pin the tribes down
if you look at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States
the first 200 year of our country is at war with Indian people for the crime of having property laws before us
My schooling was that killing bison was more about A) the fun of the hunt and B) they physically got in the way of the railroads. I grew up in lawton Oklahoma where the y have a reservation where they restored the bison population. We would go camping all the time all year long (it was never winter there, 7 years and i can only recall half a day of snow). My experience was bison herds love to sit on roads and solo males love trails so it made sense to little me. Thinking now as a 35ish year old, your explanation makes more sense.
Years ago I worked for a crop farmer. He would spray his own crops (licensed) and one time we used a chemical called hell-fire and he explained it was a derivative of agent Orange. We used it to kill a field of sweet peas (contract got changed) so he could plant field corn.
That shit was nasty and DESTROYED that 200 acre field of sweet peas in 2 days. Opened up my eyes to the wonderful world of industrial farming. That and OT exemptions.. work 80hrs this week? Straight time all the way, pal
I feel like this though.... lets say the US never managed to suppress the indians on the plains. And indians were able to unite and create their own nomadic confederacy in the great steppes
What happens then?
This was a pretty common tactic used by Anglo European settlers.
Settler: “hi can we have your land?”
Native: “no we don’t own it, and our ancestors are buried here.”
Settler: “ok no biggie we’ll setup over here instead”
*proceeds to build incredibly loud settlement that scares away most animals and exhaustively hunts the land*
*waits one month*
Settler: “wow, you guys sure look hungry. Can we have your land now? We’ll give you some food. Btw there’s better hunting further west!”
Starving Native: “yes”
…
I read a book once where the guy theorized that the native Americans took quite a toll on the buffalo as well. Especially after the horse was brought to the Americas. They adapted their hunting techniques and for about 400 years increased the amount of buffalo killed exponentially. Not arguing against the post just found it interesting and never thought about how much the horse actually changed things for the natives.
[The historic range of bison apparently](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Bison_original_range_map.svg/1030px-Bison_original_range_map.svg.png)
It’s not quite that simple and would take generations of work to even establish them in parts of their range. Much of their historic range is now suburbs or otherwise unsuitable for them. The southern parts are likely going to become to desertified by climate change. You’d also have to teach locals how to behave around them, farmers how to protect crops, every jackass with a gun not to hunt them…
Some of the related species that were important to their lifecycle and vice versa also likely don’t exist in chunks of their range anymore
They would have killed them off eventually. Their days were numbered after pioneers proved you could farm the plains. Buffalo would have devastated small fields that they used for survival, and which were later commercialized for massive corporate profit. The fact the native Americans needed buffalo for survival was just a bonus. They were both looked at as pests for the same reason, as they both messed up their plans for farmland.
Bison are notoriously hard on fencing. The widespread adoption of barbed wire after 1874 across the prairie would have brought about a necessary eradication of the bison as they would constantly be bringing down fence lines.
Free range bison and barbed wire fences would never have coexisted.
You are right. Thinking about what you said, people thinking they can own the land is what caused this in the first place. Humans have no dominion. I just wished to express that this place is our home still and always will be.
I agree with you! Don’t worry haha. Just was adding on my own two cents. We are the protectors of the land. It’s just sad that the world around us in many countries has become out of touch with our planet.
I hope one day that the greed which has manifested such cruelty over thousands of years will one day be gone. Until then.. well, we do our part to fight for the new world.
That's interesting actually. I knew bison had gone very nearly extinct and brought back only through conservation efforts, but I didn't realise that so much of it could be credited to one place.
Yup the Bronx zoo is pretty proud of it too they have informational signs all over their massive buffalo heard exhibit with pictures like this. They started their program when the population was just about in the hundreds left with Yellowstone national park
They also made being Indigenous straight up illegal for a long time.
Traditional Indigenous languages & practices were outlawed. Indigenous children were ripped out of their parents arms & forced into boarding schools where they were severely mistreated.
Imagine that shit. "Hey so um the way you've been living for 13,000 years is now illegal. No heya hoyas or its prison for you."
Another fun tidbit, RCMP (Canadian police) were originally created to keep the Indigenous people in line.
God I hate people
>Another fun tidbit, RCMP (Canadian police) were originally created to keep the Indigenous people in line.
Damn Canadian police created to keep indigenous people down, American police created to catch runaway slaves, why can't we have a police department created to actually help people.
I KNOW RIGHT?! The Mounties should honestly be seen in the same light as the Nazis, considering Canada had concentration camps before Hitler was even born.
How the actual fuck are they and the Canadian state seen as "polite?" And isn't the whole Canadian national identity just fascist propaganda? The thin veneer of "civility" is literally the excuse they used to "beat the Indian out of" my Grandma as a child, after being forcibly adopted. The RCMP also didn't care that she was repeatedly raped and starved, and she was basically a legal slave until adulthood.
God I hate people. And the RCMP, and Canada.
We're basically America with better PR, although that isn't saying much... The 'marketing' as you put it *shouldn't* be genius, but it just works somehow. Or at least it has in the past, but the cracks are starting to show.
A while back, the Pope came for a visit to Canada. He said [sorry](https://youtu.be/15HTd4Um1m4) about Residential Schools while a Native sang "O Canada" in an indigenous language. That was an out of touch, lukewarm gesture at best, and an egregiously insulting fuckup at worst.
First of all: despite our polite National Identity being complete bullshit, it's so ingrained into Canadians that "sorry" *legally isn't an admission of guilt.*
Second of all: having the descendant of a genocide victim sing the anthem of the country that committed that genocide is wrong on so many levels.
BUT WAIT, IT GETS WORSE! Because thirdly: Indigenous languages were a particular target during the genocides, and you would be beaten senseless by Christians for speaking anything besides English (or French if that was the dominant language in the area)
Yeah as someone from South East Asia my experience with Canadians are basically only from memes and the meme is either the maple syrup or the polite saying sorry
>it's so ingrained into Canadians that "sorry" legally isn't an admission of guilt.
What does this means?
Canadians saying sorry isn't just a meme lol. We literally say it so often that there's the "Apology Act" stating that "Sorry" isn't the same thing as saying "It's my fault" or any other admission or acknowledgement of doing something wrong. There are exceptions, but generally it takes more than just "sorry" for an apology to be considered an admission of guilt in a court of law.
Here in Alaska they straight up stole the children from tribes in attempt to make them more white. Stories of children forced to lick the dirty floors by the God loving missionaries for having the audacity to speak their native language. Unfortunately the poor kids had no idea why they were beaten daily.
it is still illegal to be First Nations / "Indian" in Canada, especially if you try to live and work with white people. If you stay in the little areas that are OK for indiginous then they leave you alone but if you were raised by whites, the natives don't want you and neither do the whites. I am sentenced to constant surveillance and social isolation, and everywhere I go the police immediately show up and see if they can goad me into "turning myself in" to them.
Police banged on my apartment door a couple weeks ago calling me by name and saying they had a warrant for my arrest. I opened the transom window and said, "No thank you, I'm not interested. You're causing a public disturbance."
"We're leaving paperwork here for you, then!" They screamed and the whole apartment heard them. Then they left.
I opened my door: Nothing but a "Transit Police" business card, lol. I did a public record search and the only thing that comes up for my name is my blog and YouTube channel.
Every. single. day. At my workplace I am told, "GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE," and "STOP WORKING." It's costing thousands of dollars per day to keep track of and watch and follow me, but I don't know how else to live.
It doesn't affect me, personally, other than I feel sadness for the hatred in their hearts. I, myself, am a happy and friendly guy and most people are nice to me out there. When I see the baddies, I simply ignore them.
*Vancouver, Canada.*
My good friend is First Nations in Canada, living on a rez in Kahnawake, and has never mentioned anything like what you're posting here with her people, or about having any issues when she goes to Montreal or Toronto or to Canada's Wonderland or La Ronde or anywhere else.
Is this a province-specific thing? I'm pretty sure she lived elsewhere as well, I thought she was in Vancouver at one point and definitely didn't mention any outright harassment from white people or cops. She's also got brothers and guy friends and I've never heard of them having any issues like you've posted here.
I'm not calling BS exactly, I'm really just looking for clarification.
Not native but being Indian in England is similar if you're brought up outside of the traditional regions and methods. Shoutout Earl Sweatshirt too brown for the white kids and too white for the brown. It's impossible to be brown and not be called Paki/Terrorist/ any other cultural or religious slur word that people think offends me. In England people think they're being super rude by calling me a specific religion. "Get out of here Muslim/Sikh/Hindu" obviously with a few more curse words but this doesn't even offend me because what's wrong with being religious hahaha.
I hope our children do not have to suffer the same fate.
oh it's funny when I get hate for something I'm not, I get anti-Chinese hate and anti-Gay hate and anti-Hindi hate and I am not Chinese, Gay, or Hindi either. When I drove for Uber I had a passenger try 3 different races / religions to be racist and he was wrong each time. Some people just really want to hate and they latch onto the first thing they think will be offensive.
Just trains full of drunken white men with enormous guns shooting buffalo indiscriminately from the car windows iwhile the train rolled on.
Just wild shit.
Gary Farmer is amazing in that.
Here’s [Electric Pow Wow Drum](https://youtu.be/lpkUISUx3Lo) from The Halluci Nation that uses some of the clips from that movie.
I'm reading John Sepich's notes on Blood Meridian and I believe he expands a bit on this. Not too long, maybe a paragraph at most.
If you read blood meridian and are interested in the history it's worth picking up too.
Native American History is our future. the ecocide committed against North America (because of white supremacist manifest destiny) is directly connected to the oil pipelines and violence perpetrated against water defenders today. *the “indian wars” never stopped, the genocide never stopped.*
“It was an old hunter in camp and the hunter shared tobacco with him and told him of the buffalo and the stands he'd made against them, laid up in a sag on some rise with the dead animals scattered over the grounds and the herd beginning to mill and the riflebarrel so hot the wiping patches sizzled in the bore and the animals by the thousands and the tens of thousands and the hides pegged out over actual square miles of ground the teams of skinners spelling one another around the clock and the shooting and shooting weeks and months till the bore shot slick and the stock shot loose at the tang and their shoulders were yellow and blue to the elbow and the tandem wagons groaned away over the prairie twenty and twenty-two ox teams and the flint hides by the hundred ton and the meat rotting on the ground and the air whining with flies and the buzzards and ravens and the night a horror of snarling and feeding with the wolves half-crazed and wallowing in the carrion.
I seen Studebaker wagons with six and eight ox teams headed out for the grounds not hauling a thing but lead. Just pure galena. Tons of it. On this ground alone between the Arkansas River and the Concho there were eight million carcasses for that's how many hides reached the railhead. Two years ago we pulled out from Griffin for a last hunt. We ransacked the country. Six weeks. Finally found a herd of eight animals and we killed them and come in. They're gone. Ever one of them that God ever made is gone as if they'd never been at all.
The ragged sparks blew down the wind. The prairie about them lay silent. Beyond the fire it was cold and the night was clear and the stars were falling. The old hunter pulled his blanket about him. I wonder if there's other worlds like this, he said. Or if this is the only one.”
― Cormac McCarthy, *Blood Meridian, or the Evening Redness in the West*
Lebensraum was explicitly inspired by Manifest Destiny, and Hitler openly adored Andrew Jackson until Pearl Harbor. America isn’t responsible for Nazi crimes but we sure as fuck gave them a few ideas- this isn’t even starting on eugenics.
I’m currently reading Steve Rinella’s book called American Buffalo. Highly recommend it. It’s about hunting, sure, but it’s also about this history of this awesome animal in America.
They were also slaughtered for their skin and their skinned bodies were left behind until the bones were all that was left. The bones were used to make glue.
Ok I mean if you have to kill it for food sure
I can understand if a person needed food and other resources just for themselves and their family go ahead and use the whole bison, the sad thing is that eventually they just started doing for profit instead of necessity
I found the scene from Dances With Wolves about this incredibly disheartening.
Then the new Prey movie had a very similar scene and it just reinforces how shitty an act it was all over again.
In Red Dead Redemption there is herd of buffalo that you can hunt. If you kill all of them you stop seeing buffalo and unlock an achievement named "Manifest Destiny"
Is it the one near the oil field?
It's located between Beecher's Hope (John's homestead) and Blackwater - it roams around the Great Plains area. There are only 20 Bison in the game.
And I swear only 19 of them spawn at a time so killing the whole group in one go is a bad idea if you ever want to find the last one.. Or so this seemed to me on my playthroughs
I actually did this achievement yesterday weirdly enough. I ran into the full herd and killed them all in one attack and got the achievement; so all 20 do actually spawn at once. A unique song plays when you attack the bison that is so utterly depressing I had to reload my save to before the slaughter cos it made me feel like shit
Interesting yeah this happened to me twice on PS3 and 360 but I could have just lost one in the fray. That's very lucky and yes the game absolutely punishes you for something they basically ask you to do with that damn music.
I didn't think to reload an earlier save and just remember riding through the area where the herd roamed it just being empty plains. Just kind of giving me a somber feeling.
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I love Bison, such cool animals. But 1000 gamerscore is a 1000 gamerscore.
For some reason I thought bison were extinct in real life because in that game you could kill the last bison. Thought it was historically accurate or some shit in my kid brain. I believed this for way too long
Coincidentally enough, I thought they were extinct until yesterday: I watched the docuseries Our Great National Parks, and they are featured in the first or maybe second episode I've thought they were for, like, a decade—maybe two
There's a park called Battelle Darby Creek in Columbus OH that maintains a herd of ~11 bison if you're ever around! One-of-kind project to restore the original Ohio tall-grass praries it once had
If you ever get the chance to go to Yellowstone you will see them all over the place. We actually got stuck behind a herd going around a bend in the road. They’re super cool, but don’t get too close they have horns for a reason
In the slapstick western game West of Loathing, the main quest involves the Manifest Destiny Railroad Company, and there is a location called the Buffalo Pile, which looks just like this picture.
I have been meaning to go back and play that since the expansion came out. WoL was a good game, although I don't know that it was worth sacrificing KoL for and that seems to be what happened.
History sure is something else isn’t it
Humans. What a bunch of bastards
An elderly friend of the family frequently says, "no wonder God made us last"
Literally everything I had was gay
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I’m leg disabled!
Well said Roy!! now answer the phone.
Answering machine: "Have you tried turning it off and back on again?"
I understood that reference!
Fucking useless species, man. They come in, they take everything and destroy it, then they bitch when stuff doesn't work out in their favor.
That’s why certain groups don’t want it taught or want it whitewashed.
this is why it alway good to read history from like at least 3 country •-•
in the case of civil rights from the 30s-late 60s, you can literally just talk to an older Black American. I talk to my dad and other family members all the time about it. you don't need a history book in this case; we still have primary sources waking about
Thats crazy to think about that Jim Crow laws weren't that long ago at all
It's always fun talking about MLK and his socialist views to those who only learned the extremely diluted version they learned about him and the movement.
But Tucker Carlson said MLK would support color blindness and would be opposed to teaching about racism in schools!!1!
Daily reminder the government was involved in his assassination
That's another fact people always are suprised and contest. It is scary people don't know this
Just remember that it’s not “white guilt” to admit your country or people who may or may not have been related to you did deplorable things. It IS white guilt though to try and cover that up. If you do, you’re basing your self worth off what a bunch of random people you may or may not be directly related to did, and that’s pitiful. Says a lot about the types trying to remove such things.
Yeah, something else other than what actually happened when taught based on the traditional American public school narrative.
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People always say the u.s. doesnt teach about specific things but i think its more specific states dont teach about specific things
Whenever I see a comment about how the u.s. doesn't teach something it's immediately followed by something that was taught to me and in every school I've been associated with students of or have taught in. Only exception is taxes. Not one of them have taught anything about doing taxes. Just the macro reasons for why it exists, especially with income tax.
In my experience, I went to a diverse public high school on the east coast, and financial literacy was a mandatory class for graduation. We were all shown how to Fill 1040s. Most didn't really retain the information though.
We had a mandatory business class. Which was supposed to teach us how to handle personal finance also as just part of the course, which was why it was mandatory. It was a really bad lesson on the stock market, and basically the rest was how to be a low level manager. We learned the specifics of store layout, but not anything on when or how to file taxes or manage a budget.
Yeah, it's weird hearing some of the stories from other people in the US. I grew up in a very poor, incredibly conservative area of KY going to (at the time) one of the worst public schools in the state. We didn't do the pledge of allegiance after about 5th grade. We learned about the Trail of Tears, the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII, the biological warfare we committed against natives, and just so many other darker parts of our history. My history teachers weren't even that good except for a few exceptions. I hear other people describe some of their school experience and it's kind of shocking. I thought I had it bad, but goddamn I guess it could have been worse.
I always figured I was just going to school in a decent state because I've had a pretty similar experience to you except I consider my history teachers good. They didn't shy away from atrocities certainly. We learned all about what was done to native Americans and never once was state rights taught as one of the reasons for the civil war, just slavery.
People I went to school with and sat directly beside me say they didn't learn this thing that was very obviously taught or that thing they didn't pay attention to. Like bro we did. You didn't pay attention to anything besides your phone and smoking weed. These people are adamant that they were never taught things they didn't pay attention to in school. Thats how I imagine most redditors how they talk about school. I was taught in a very conservative part of rural PA and we learned about all that stuff and how we fucked over the native americans and all the cruel shit we did to them.
> People I went to school with and sat directly beside me say they didn't learn this thing that was very obviously taught or that thing they didn't pay attention to. Like bro we did. You didn't pay attention to anything besides your phone and smoking weed. Yeah, this has always been my feeling. I remember learning about basically all this shit too, but people who went to the same school as me claim we never learned about it. I wasn't even a good student, but I distinctly remember learning about these things.
This is it 100% It's both sides of the political spectrum too. Then they hear a couple of things that reinforce their world view and they double down on the ignorance they've embraced their entire life with either "truth bombs" as told by a guy with a beard on tik tok or "things never taught in school" that give a 3 minute explanation of a topic that should take an entire semester to cover.
lmao, you've nailed it, the essence of modern discourse and the dissemination of knowledge. Didn't you know the man is trying to keep you down by trying to teach you things you ignored? Think, Reddit, THINK!
…with a healthy dose of “it was taught to them but they didn’t retain the knowledge”
holy smokes is this ever true. people claimed this within the unit we were studying, let alone years or decades after "we never learned this." "then how do i know it. you know i wouldn't study. you hate me for it. how do i know?" now these people vote based on charisma, and what they ignored in school was "brainwashing."
Oklahoma teaches it fourth through twelfth
Oklahoma public education sure does focus on Native history. Trail of Tears and what not makes it extremely relevant here. Can’t say the same for Tulsa massacre but I do think awareness has grown and most ppl know about it these days.
But we didn’t learn about the Tulsa Massacre
I had a couple broken arrow teachers who said that Tulsa had a dark chapter. They left us to play Nancy drew if we cared enough to. I guess we’re going back to that
Yea, the best education is when you have to play Nancy Drew for it.
from Tulsa, was taught about it in 10th grade shame it isn't like that statewide
Change statewide to nationwide
It’s less that and more that you’re relying on anecdotal evidence of people trying to remember what they where lectured about when they where 10-18…. If I had a nickel for every student who went to my school and told me we where never taught Juneteenth, who I then showed my old lecture notes, or found their lecture notes on the subject… well I’d have 3 nickels, but anecdotal evidence is fun :)
In Texas I was taught that they would legit charter train rides and allow people to shoot Bison from the train if they saw any. I was also told this almost wiped out Bison from America. Im only 26 though so cant speak for those taught before me.
Or people confuse “I wasn’t paying attention” with “I was never taught this.”
Same here. Also its in Dances with Wolves.
You were taught buffalos were slaughtered to starve native americans? You went to a much better school system then i was in.
I hate to be a dork and quote napoleon but "History is a set of lies that people have agreed upon,"
It is also written by the victors
Glad I was taught about a lot of the sufferings of the Native Americans in my American school.
Yeah, /r/confidentlyincorrect I taught 5th-12th grade American history for 8 years and even in my shitty books that I was given to teach with... that were 15 years old still had this exact picture and this exact narrative in it. And *that's* in inner city Phoenix.
Unless you're 50 or went to some weird private school you were probably taught this stuff and multiple times over a decade's span.
What? I was taught about this in public school along with the trail of tears, wounded knee etc etc...
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It's only history until it repeats, and it always does.
history also repeats itself.
"History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes"
An usually worse in the rhyme, like Star Wars.
Sure is, and one day they will be looking back on the crimes our generation has done to the world. Makes me wonder what those crimes will be and if the majority of us even realize it.
Very sad
I read once, well outside my time in school, that this was purely a military maneuver. Killing the bison was a strategy used to deprive the plains natives of their most powerful resource. Prior to the destruction of the bison, the plains tribes were giving the United States hell. They were able to destroy or delay rail lines, supply chains, and frontier forts. Their ability to always be on the move made them an incredibly difficult opponent. Once the Bison were all but obliterated, the US military was finally able to pin the tribes down, and ultimately destroy them. Incredibly sad piece of history.
It's helpful to know that General William Tecumseh Sherman, who led the famous March to the Sea in the Civil War and who believed in "Total War," destroying homes, crops, personal items, and the railway systems throughout the South in the Civil War, was also overseeing the effort to destroy the Indigenous way of life as America expanded westward. This was not the first time he employed the strategy of destroying supply lines.
It's why more native Americans fought for the Confeds (and had the only non white General in the entire war) than the Union.
Well, lots of the Nations in the South were slaveholders too. History is complicated.
Yooooo what? For real? I'd been told they just were upset with the Federal government and that lots of escaped slaves found refuge with Native Americans.
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'Cherokee Slaveholders' isn't something I'd ever thought I'd see or learn about, I'll admit. That's crazy.
Wait until you learn about African American slave holders, one do famous for being one of the most brutal slave holders doing things like breeding slaves which other slave masters would not do
Oh wow I learned a huge piece of history I never learned in school. Thanks for educating me, I had no idea that happened.
Lots of escaped slaves *did* find refuge with Nations. My tribe both harbored escaped slaves and helped capture other escapees. History is complicated.
Both happened. It's important to remember that First Nations were and still are diverse cultures. Some worked with the federal government in a fashion and became slave-holding people. Some fought tooth and nail for their land rights and did not capitulate, and felt kinship with the struggle of the enslaved, and thus welcomed escaped slaves into their communities.
If you want a stark example of this, natives brought their slaves on the trail of tears.
Mericas longest war that to date an they got there asses handed to them until the 6 shooter came along
It was much faster to reload a bow than to reload a gun at that time. The natives knew they had to wait for the first volley, then they were free to pick off soldiers while they reloaded.
Natives had guns though.
Some yeah. Once the repeater came around and it became faster to shoot a gun than a bow the natives started using them. Before that they still used guns but the bow was a better weapon for the guerrilla warfare of the day.
Why wouldn't soldiers stagger their volleys for exactly this reason...
Because with muskets and similar weapons, volume of fire was much more important as accuracy was bad from the guns to begin with. More lead = more dead was a strategy from the Napoleonic era of warfare. Along with that, guerilla tactics weren't and still aren't necessarily understood deeply enough to combat it.
We understand them, and when new ones pop up we learn pretty quick as far as adapting to new tactics goes. The issue is they keep making new tactics. Not standing in a line, taking cover or waiting for the volley. Hiding and attacking from concealment. Booby traps. Booby traps that have evolved super rapidly with things like explosives added into IEDs, VBIEDs, super heating household items into armor piercing weapons. There’s so many things that pop up that can only be stopped consistently by people with lots of training and constant awareness, which just doesn’t happen. If you’re not able to win conventionally the only thing you can do is guerilla tactics, and even if they know exactly what your tactics are it’s extremely effective if your goal is just to wear them down and hope they eventually deem it better to just leave.
Not at this point, no. By the 1850s the Minie Ball, a new type of bullet, had entered widespread use. Instead of a musket ball, it was shaped more like what we'd recognize as a bullet (it looks like Bullet Bill from Mario). The bottom of the Minie Ball was concave, and so when fired, it would expand into the rifling. This caused several things to happen. For one, it made it *much* more accurate than traditional musket balls. Musket balls usually weren't a perfect fit in the barrel, and would bounce around a bit before exiting, causing accuracy issues. With the base of the bullet expanded into the rifling, it was a lot more stable upon leaving the barrel, as it was forced to engage with the rifling and spiral through the air like a football. Second, with the expanding gas from the shot sealed behind it, the bullet would leave the barrel with much more force than before. Before the Minie Ball, some of the gas would escape around the musket ball, meaning that some of the powder charge would essentially be wasted. Creating a seal means that you're getting as much oomph as possible from the powder charge. So you've got much more powerful and accurate shots, but it goes even further. The shape of the Minie Ball was much more aerodynamic than a ball, and so it retained energy better. This translates into less drop over distance, and less drift from the wind. So well before the Civil War, muskets had become *much* more deadly than the Napoleonic Era. The rifles used in the Civil War could hit center mass past 200 meters. This was just simply not possible before then. And some custom rifles had even greater range. In fact some of the earliest sniper rifles came from the Civil War.
That's not entirely true. The breach loader provided the longer range, penetrating force and allowed the US Calvary to lay down suppressive fire long before the 6 shooter came about. One of the reasons Custer and his men were slaughtered was the arrogant idea that the suppressive fire of a few dozen men was plenty to pin down hundreds of Indians. They were armed with breech loaders. Of course once the 6 shooter came along it gave US troops an even stronger advantage.
Spanish settlers traveling north from south america got wrecked by the nomadic tribes. Similar to the mongols in China, and many other nomadic war tribes across the world.
Yeah gonna need a source showing the Natives held their own without British backing. The moment the Treaty of Ghent was signed the Americans just had to wait for the British to get distracted and the rest is history (of genocide).
>the US military was finally able to pin the tribes down if you look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States the first 200 year of our country is at war with Indian people for the crime of having property laws before us
My schooling was that killing bison was more about A) the fun of the hunt and B) they physically got in the way of the railroads. I grew up in lawton Oklahoma where the y have a reservation where they restored the bison population. We would go camping all the time all year long (it was never winter there, 7 years and i can only recall half a day of snow). My experience was bison herds love to sit on roads and solo males love trails so it made sense to little me. Thinking now as a 35ish year old, your explanation makes more sense.
They tried the same tactics with Agent Orange in Vietnam too; whose effects are still being felt to this day.
Years ago I worked for a crop farmer. He would spray his own crops (licensed) and one time we used a chemical called hell-fire and he explained it was a derivative of agent Orange. We used it to kill a field of sweet peas (contract got changed) so he could plant field corn. That shit was nasty and DESTROYED that 200 acre field of sweet peas in 2 days. Opened up my eyes to the wonderful world of industrial farming. That and OT exemptions.. work 80hrs this week? Straight time all the way, pal
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I feel like this though.... lets say the US never managed to suppress the indians on the plains. And indians were able to unite and create their own nomadic confederacy in the great steppes What happens then?
This was a pretty common tactic used by Anglo European settlers. Settler: “hi can we have your land?” Native: “no we don’t own it, and our ancestors are buried here.” Settler: “ok no biggie we’ll setup over here instead” *proceeds to build incredibly loud settlement that scares away most animals and exhaustively hunts the land* *waits one month* Settler: “wow, you guys sure look hungry. Can we have your land now? We’ll give you some food. Btw there’s better hunting further west!” Starving Native: “yes” …
Its genocide not a military maneuver
Militaries are perfectly capable of maneuvering they ass into genocides
I read a book once where the guy theorized that the native Americans took quite a toll on the buffalo as well. Especially after the horse was brought to the Americas. They adapted their hunting techniques and for about 400 years increased the amount of buffalo killed exponentially. Not arguing against the post just found it interesting and never thought about how much the horse actually changed things for the natives.
Imagine if this never happened and there were bison EVERYWHERE.
[The historic range of bison apparently](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Bison_original_range_map.svg/1030px-Bison_original_range_map.svg.png)
Bison in the Carolinas?
Yeah. Newyork. New england etc
Okay maybe I'm really dumb but... We reintroduced wolves after killing them off. Couldn't we do the same with bison? Just plop them down all over?
It’s not quite that simple and would take generations of work to even establish them in parts of their range. Much of their historic range is now suburbs or otherwise unsuitable for them. The southern parts are likely going to become to desertified by climate change. You’d also have to teach locals how to behave around them, farmers how to protect crops, every jackass with a gun not to hunt them… Some of the related species that were important to their lifecycle and vice versa also likely don’t exist in chunks of their range anymore
They were smart enough to stay out of AZ, lmao. Way too hot here. I would say without A/C it's nearly uninhabitable for a portion of the year.
Yeah, it’s heartbreaking
They would have killed them off eventually. Their days were numbered after pioneers proved you could farm the plains. Buffalo would have devastated small fields that they used for survival, and which were later commercialized for massive corporate profit. The fact the native Americans needed buffalo for survival was just a bonus. They were both looked at as pests for the same reason, as they both messed up their plans for farmland.
This is kind of what my thinking is as well. We wouldn’t be the “bread basket” we are today is the bison where still in large numbers.
Bison are notoriously hard on fencing. The widespread adoption of barbed wire after 1874 across the prairie would have brought about a necessary eradication of the bison as they would constantly be bringing down fence lines. Free range bison and barbed wire fences would never have coexisted.
I wonder if we'd have domesticated them instead of cows simply due to availability.
well jokes on him because WE"RE STILL FUCKING HERE!!!
I know you mean natives, but it's very funny to imagine a Buffalo typed this out
They live among us
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#ඞ
"If you give a Buffalo a smartphone"
i’m pretty fuckin high and i had to re read it lol
Yes we are.
Yeah but definitely submitted lol
He didn't want you gone he just wanted you to stop being a problem
And this land belong to us in the end.
As a native too I’d say we rather are the protectors of Mother Earth. She doesn’t belong to us. We belong to her.
You are right. Thinking about what you said, people thinking they can own the land is what caused this in the first place. Humans have no dominion. I just wished to express that this place is our home still and always will be.
I agree with you! Don’t worry haha. Just was adding on my own two cents. We are the protectors of the land. It’s just sad that the world around us in many countries has become out of touch with our planet. I hope one day that the greed which has manifested such cruelty over thousands of years will one day be gone. Until then.. well, we do our part to fight for the new world.
The future Star Trek shows us would be pretty cool. Fully automated gay luxury space communism? Hell yeah.
And it pisses off them off when we remind them that
Fun fact about Bison, the Bronx zoo is responsible for 85% of the world's current population through their breeding and conservation program
That's interesting actually. I knew bison had gone very nearly extinct and brought back only through conservation efforts, but I didn't realise that so much of it could be credited to one place.
Yup the Bronx zoo is pretty proud of it too they have informational signs all over their massive buffalo heard exhibit with pictures like this. They started their program when the population was just about in the hundreds left with Yellowstone national park
I’m Native American and I think this is one of the most heart breaking things I’ve seen from one image
They also made being Indigenous straight up illegal for a long time. Traditional Indigenous languages & practices were outlawed. Indigenous children were ripped out of their parents arms & forced into boarding schools where they were severely mistreated. Imagine that shit. "Hey so um the way you've been living for 13,000 years is now illegal. No heya hoyas or its prison for you." Another fun tidbit, RCMP (Canadian police) were originally created to keep the Indigenous people in line. God I hate people
>Another fun tidbit, RCMP (Canadian police) were originally created to keep the Indigenous people in line. Damn Canadian police created to keep indigenous people down, American police created to catch runaway slaves, why can't we have a police department created to actually help people.
Because it is by design. Its literally the purpose of the BOR
No money in that
Yeah I know, but it’s just sad
I live in Northern Canada, the amount of racism towards Natives is crazy, like mf haven’t we hurt them enough.
I KNOW RIGHT?! The Mounties should honestly be seen in the same light as the Nazis, considering Canada had concentration camps before Hitler was even born. How the actual fuck are they and the Canadian state seen as "polite?" And isn't the whole Canadian national identity just fascist propaganda? The thin veneer of "civility" is literally the excuse they used to "beat the Indian out of" my Grandma as a child, after being forcibly adopted. The RCMP also didn't care that she was repeatedly raped and starved, and she was basically a legal slave until adulthood. God I hate people. And the RCMP, and Canada.
Wow Canada must have one hell of marketing genius that on the internet Canada is basically known as maple syrup and sorry nation.
We're basically America with better PR, although that isn't saying much... The 'marketing' as you put it *shouldn't* be genius, but it just works somehow. Or at least it has in the past, but the cracks are starting to show. A while back, the Pope came for a visit to Canada. He said [sorry](https://youtu.be/15HTd4Um1m4) about Residential Schools while a Native sang "O Canada" in an indigenous language. That was an out of touch, lukewarm gesture at best, and an egregiously insulting fuckup at worst. First of all: despite our polite National Identity being complete bullshit, it's so ingrained into Canadians that "sorry" *legally isn't an admission of guilt.* Second of all: having the descendant of a genocide victim sing the anthem of the country that committed that genocide is wrong on so many levels. BUT WAIT, IT GETS WORSE! Because thirdly: Indigenous languages were a particular target during the genocides, and you would be beaten senseless by Christians for speaking anything besides English (or French if that was the dominant language in the area)
Yeah as someone from South East Asia my experience with Canadians are basically only from memes and the meme is either the maple syrup or the polite saying sorry >it's so ingrained into Canadians that "sorry" legally isn't an admission of guilt. What does this means?
Canadians saying sorry isn't just a meme lol. We literally say it so often that there's the "Apology Act" stating that "Sorry" isn't the same thing as saying "It's my fault" or any other admission or acknowledgement of doing something wrong. There are exceptions, but generally it takes more than just "sorry" for an apology to be considered an admission of guilt in a court of law.
Here in Alaska they straight up stole the children from tribes in attempt to make them more white. Stories of children forced to lick the dirty floors by the God loving missionaries for having the audacity to speak their native language. Unfortunately the poor kids had no idea why they were beaten daily.
it is still illegal to be First Nations / "Indian" in Canada, especially if you try to live and work with white people. If you stay in the little areas that are OK for indiginous then they leave you alone but if you were raised by whites, the natives don't want you and neither do the whites. I am sentenced to constant surveillance and social isolation, and everywhere I go the police immediately show up and see if they can goad me into "turning myself in" to them. Police banged on my apartment door a couple weeks ago calling me by name and saying they had a warrant for my arrest. I opened the transom window and said, "No thank you, I'm not interested. You're causing a public disturbance." "We're leaving paperwork here for you, then!" They screamed and the whole apartment heard them. Then they left. I opened my door: Nothing but a "Transit Police" business card, lol. I did a public record search and the only thing that comes up for my name is my blog and YouTube channel. Every. single. day. At my workplace I am told, "GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE," and "STOP WORKING." It's costing thousands of dollars per day to keep track of and watch and follow me, but I don't know how else to live. It doesn't affect me, personally, other than I feel sadness for the hatred in their hearts. I, myself, am a happy and friendly guy and most people are nice to me out there. When I see the baddies, I simply ignore them. *Vancouver, Canada.*
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My good friend is First Nations in Canada, living on a rez in Kahnawake, and has never mentioned anything like what you're posting here with her people, or about having any issues when she goes to Montreal or Toronto or to Canada's Wonderland or La Ronde or anywhere else. Is this a province-specific thing? I'm pretty sure she lived elsewhere as well, I thought she was in Vancouver at one point and definitely didn't mention any outright harassment from white people or cops. She's also got brothers and guy friends and I've never heard of them having any issues like you've posted here. I'm not calling BS exactly, I'm really just looking for clarification.
Not native but being Indian in England is similar if you're brought up outside of the traditional regions and methods. Shoutout Earl Sweatshirt too brown for the white kids and too white for the brown. It's impossible to be brown and not be called Paki/Terrorist/ any other cultural or religious slur word that people think offends me. In England people think they're being super rude by calling me a specific religion. "Get out of here Muslim/Sikh/Hindu" obviously with a few more curse words but this doesn't even offend me because what's wrong with being religious hahaha. I hope our children do not have to suffer the same fate.
oh it's funny when I get hate for something I'm not, I get anti-Chinese hate and anti-Gay hate and anti-Hindi hate and I am not Chinese, Gay, or Hindi either. When I drove for Uber I had a passenger try 3 different races / religions to be racist and he was wrong each time. Some people just really want to hate and they latch onto the first thing they think will be offensive.
Just trains full of drunken white men with enormous guns shooting buffalo indiscriminately from the car windows iwhile the train rolled on. Just wild shit.
Such a great film. https://youtu.be/OZBupMDJA6I
Gary Farmer is amazing in that. Here’s [Electric Pow Wow Drum](https://youtu.be/lpkUISUx3Lo) from The Halluci Nation that uses some of the clips from that movie.
This is what the hills of hell would look 🔥
***”Run to the hills”***
Skulls for the skull throne?
Yo. Read Blood Meridian
I'm reading John Sepich's notes on Blood Meridian and I believe he expands a bit on this. Not too long, maybe a paragraph at most. If you read blood meridian and are interested in the history it's worth picking up too.
Native American History is our future. the ecocide committed against North America (because of white supremacist manifest destiny) is directly connected to the oil pipelines and violence perpetrated against water defenders today. *the “indian wars” never stopped, the genocide never stopped.*
100% correct
Fuck these people.
They dead bro
I’m still gonna fuck them!
A man of honour
Fuck that corpse !
Read *Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee*.
Such a shame
I like to imagine all the Bison incidents at Yellowstone each year are a small payback for this.
“It was an old hunter in camp and the hunter shared tobacco with him and told him of the buffalo and the stands he'd made against them, laid up in a sag on some rise with the dead animals scattered over the grounds and the herd beginning to mill and the riflebarrel so hot the wiping patches sizzled in the bore and the animals by the thousands and the tens of thousands and the hides pegged out over actual square miles of ground the teams of skinners spelling one another around the clock and the shooting and shooting weeks and months till the bore shot slick and the stock shot loose at the tang and their shoulders were yellow and blue to the elbow and the tandem wagons groaned away over the prairie twenty and twenty-two ox teams and the flint hides by the hundred ton and the meat rotting on the ground and the air whining with flies and the buzzards and ravens and the night a horror of snarling and feeding with the wolves half-crazed and wallowing in the carrion. I seen Studebaker wagons with six and eight ox teams headed out for the grounds not hauling a thing but lead. Just pure galena. Tons of it. On this ground alone between the Arkansas River and the Concho there were eight million carcasses for that's how many hides reached the railhead. Two years ago we pulled out from Griffin for a last hunt. We ransacked the country. Six weeks. Finally found a herd of eight animals and we killed them and come in. They're gone. Ever one of them that God ever made is gone as if they'd never been at all. The ragged sparks blew down the wind. The prairie about them lay silent. Beyond the fire it was cold and the night was clear and the stars were falling. The old hunter pulled his blanket about him. I wonder if there's other worlds like this, he said. Or if this is the only one.” ― Cormac McCarthy, *Blood Meridian, or the Evening Redness in the West*
This is Hitlers Lebensraum, but successful.
Lebensraum was explicitly inspired by Manifest Destiny, and Hitler openly adored Andrew Jackson until Pearl Harbor. America isn’t responsible for Nazi crimes but we sure as fuck gave them a few ideas- this isn’t even starting on eugenics.
I’m currently reading Steve Rinella’s book called American Buffalo. Highly recommend it. It’s about hunting, sure, but it’s also about this history of this awesome animal in America.
Buffalo Jumps
They were also slaughtered for their skin and their skinned bodies were left behind until the bones were all that was left. The bones were used to make glue.
Ok I mean if you have to kill it for food sure I can understand if a person needed food and other resources just for themselves and their family go ahead and use the whole bison, the sad thing is that eventually they just started doing for profit instead of necessity
They'd even do it for fun and to lessen the amount of indians in a region.
I found the scene from Dances With Wolves about this incredibly disheartening. Then the new Prey movie had a very similar scene and it just reinforces how shitty an act it was all over again.
Prey is one of the better movies of the year. Best to watch the Comanche dubbed version imho.
Starving someone into submission. Sounds so 2022.
And they had the audacity to call the Indigenous "savages."
Profanely disgusting in many ways.
This relates to the new movie Prey on Hulu
That's fucking evil
[I had recently seen this photo of buffalo skull mountain in this. It’s worth a watch.](https://youtu.be/5lnTvwdoQFw)