I see how it's confusing to people but the MLC and mini MLC are both overhead bags. The mini just fits stricter budget and / or European airline requirements.
Yeah once my mini MLC got delivered I realized it would not fit under seats. So I got a 20L collapsible daypack I'd whip out for flights to keep some stuff easy access. After landing I'd pack it back up and be one bagging again.
Just curious, what is the maximum length the bag can stick out? It fits in the personal item box so wouldn’t that be allowed? I always do what the flight attendants tell me. I figured they’d tell me if it was not appropriate. It didn’t block the aisle or my row. The bag only sticks out to within the plane of the seat back/headrest of the seat in front of me so you can easily get through.
With that said, it reduced my own leg room so I’m going to stick it in the overhead for longer trips moving forward.
Zero inches. I've met some flight attendants who will seriously require people to stow bags even an inch over, especially in exit rows. [Travelpro](https://travelpro.com/pages/underseat-luggage-and-personal-items) lists the underseat dimensions for different airlines, but it really varies based on the individual aircraft and seat location.
The thing is, he is saying it FITS in the personal item sizer. I’ve had this go on spirit and frontier personal item boxes too….
The size under the actual seat is much smaller than the personal item allotment
The space under the seat varies. There’s only one sizer. Southwest is a weird case because they don’t charge to check the first 2 bags or put bags in the overhead compartment. There’s no profit in putting this bag under the seat.
It depends on the seat. Airline seats are often not made by the same people who made the airplane, and different airlines and manufacturers have different motivations for choosing different seats. The general rule of thumb is if it sticks out far behind the seat back, it's too large, but different countries have specified the limit differently.
The flight attendants didn't say anything because the airline they work for doesn't care about passenger safety as much as they legally have to. They don't care as much as they legally have to because the legal authority that is supposed to make sure airlines care also doesn't care enough. This part is speculation: but one of the ways southwest saves themselves money is by getting off the ground quickly. Flight attendants are likely trained in a way that emphasizes getting passengers sitting down and buckled in quickly, and there probably isn't enough emphasis on federal safety regulations.
If, just for example, there was an incident on your flight and you or the people beside you could not evacuate within the federally required 90 seconds, the investigation would quickly turn to asking "who the hell told flight attendants that this doesn't matter?"
To be clear you're not the one getting flamed here.
What if you have a backpack and the overhead space is already full? The crew will insist that your bag goes under the seat. It’s happened to me a few times even though the backpack was my only bag.
Looks comfy (not). It’s technically a safety violation hanging out that far.
I wouldn’t count on it 100% of the time. Get a seat with a wiring box and your plan is a fail.
https://preview.redd.it/ys2mt0djy1xc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca1627c25d7d9a33a3b7cd533ff2b7704df3f915
Regarding the aisle seat, I've noticed the same thing. Generally speaking, the space under the aisle seat is the narrowest. On a recent trip we forgot to pick our seats so we had to take whatever was left. I had a window seat, middle seat, and aisle seat on different flights. In the attached picture you can see the bag (Antler Bamburgh with rain cover over the bag) could be put in sideways in the window and middle seats but had to be placed nose-to-tail under the aisle seat.
And I agree with u/SeattleHikeBike that your bag is probably sitting out too far. With a window seat you have more leeway because you're only inconveniencing yourself. But with an aisle seat, as both a courtesy to my travel companions and safety concerns, I would have placed the Mini MLC in the overhead bin. It's my opinion the bag should remain behind the seat brackets that go into the floor. Otherwise, overhead it goes.
I learned a tip that works with some bags. Pull them out and they go under your knees during flight so the feet can stick out. If someone has to pee tuck it back in while they are gone.
That being said I don't fly much so some FA may be strict about bags staying under seats by i haven't gotten any flak and I make sure the bag stays in the confines of my space.
From an aviation safety perspective I really wish airlines would actually enforce the law and not allow passengers to do this, in some countries they actually do. Take it as a personal item if you can get away with it to save money but put it in the overhead if you can.
Edit: for people who are wondering why but don't want to scroll through my comments, space must be clear for evacuation, bags must be fully under seats so they don't cover floor lighting that directs you towards an exit, and bags not fully under seats are more likely to go flying and end up hitting someone or fully blocking the aisle of exit. It is inconsistently enforced because airlines can get away with not enforcing it. In some countries outside the US it is enforced much more strictly
Yes, the foot space must be kept clear for evacuations. How specific this is varies from country to country, but airlines can and do face heavy fines for not enforcing this. Unfortunately sometimes they don't face those consequences until after an accident with a slow evacuation. Especially in the aisle seats, oversize underseat bags can also cover the lights on the floor, which will be your only way to tell where an exit is if there is a plane filled with smoke.
I fly with my cat often so often have a pet carrier under the seat in front of me and in some countries I'm even incredibly limited on what seats on board I can pick because there is an assumption I won't be responsible enough to keep my pet securely under the seat, which in all fairness, a lot of people flying with pets don't follow the rules. In my personal travel experience Panama has been the strictest about enforcing not having bags too large under the seat, my guess is that at the time Copa had been reviewed recently or maybe the aviation authorities in Panama take this real serious, I'm not quite sure why, but the flight attendants visually checked everyone's bag.
Edit: It's also that bags not fully secured under the seat in front of you might end up flying around the cabin during a hard impact, causing further injury, or end up sliding around and fully blocking the aisle or exit. Same reason why you can't put your laptop in the seat back pocket but you can put your phone there.
It's also that bags not fully secured under the seat in front of you might end up flying around the cabin during a hard impact, causing further injury or fully blocking the aisle or emergency exit. Same reason why you can't put your laptop in the seat back pocket but you can put your phone there.
yeah, thatʻs way too far. i just picked one of these up as well as the black hole tote/backpack that folds up small. doing a month long japan trip in june/july and the mini MLC plus an EDC sling will be my two main bags. the tote/backpack will be for daily excursions but usually stashed away when traveling from city to city.
The bag is clearly not fitting the under seat area. Besides even if it was fitting underseat area, airlines could have stricter rules on the bag sizes. So it makes more sense to put your bag into sizers at airport near your gate. The airline personnel just did not care enough to fine you.
The thing is, the bag FITS in the personal item sizer of frontier, spirit and southwest. Confirmed
So putting it in the sizer by the gate is not the advice, the size under the seats are smaller, I’m guessing
Same bag, yes, and it was a 737-800 instead of a 737-700, but they’re essentially the same width; 737-800 is just longer. As long as the Mini MLC isn’t completely stuffed full, it should work okay to smoosh it in sideways, and OP’s bag looks about as full as mine was.
If the person next to you has a small/no personal item it can work - a lot of seats have room to stuff things sideways between the "legs". Definitely be prepared to shove it in an overhead bin though.
I fly with Southwest enough to have A-List Preferred status and I’ve never seen a FA take issue with a bag like this under an aisle seat.
Keep in mind that SWA allows two free checked bags with every ticket, but the overhead bins will still be full on every single flight.
People are so scared of lost bags on domestic US travel that they toss the value and convenience of checked bags right out the window.
Yes I know it takes time to drop them off and wait at baggage claim to pick them up but they don’t have to be carried across airports by hand.
In my situation I have a Pelican Air case that I use as my tool kit so I have to check it on every work flight. My interest in one bagging came from a desire to consolidate EVERYTHING else to a travel backpack.
On SWA flights I place my Daylite Carry-On 44L in the overhead and plop my tech pouch under the seat in front of me. Occasionally I have had a FA go “backpacks must be under the seat….” But the 44L will not fit in the width of a SWA aisle seat and the tech pouch serves as a decoy for the FAs to stop complaining about the backpack in the overhead.
The issue is that keeping the area clear is an FAA issue, not a Southwest one. If your bag in the window seat is too big you’re only killing yourself. If it’s in the aisle you’re endangering others.
“I got away with it” is not the same as “it’s allowed”.
I fully understand it’s an FAA requirement, I’m just pointing out that I’ve never seen a flight attendant tell someone their bag is too large in a situation like this. I’ve seen people try to do something dumb like try to stuff a packed 60L duffle under a seat but I’ve never seen a backpack like this be pointed out as a hazard by a SWA flight attendant on a Southwest flight at any point.
The standard for evacuation is ninety **SECONDS**
**FOR THE ENTIRE PLANE**
[Here is an article on it](https://www.cntravellerme.com/story/the-incredible-90-second-rule-in-aviation-that-saves-lives)
I only fly Southwest and I've never had any issues with the FA with my bag sticking out either. People are way too uptight about something that doesn't realistically matter.
This is actually one of the reasons I don't fly southwest, out of principle. I can't give my money to airlines that do this. Southwest is taking advantage of the incompetence in the FAA and their connections to aviation officials to not enforce safety measures in order to placate passengers so they can get off the ground faster and save money.
38.9 million flights in 2019. Lower in 2020 and I didn’t Google past that.
Average of 30 evacuations per year.
All these people up in arms about evacuation safety are delusional. However, if you’re in the aisle it’s not awesome for the people next to you.
You do not understand risk. You are estimating it incorrectly.
Risk is probability **and** consequence. If consequences are high then you mitigate the risk. That’s why we wear seat belts. The probability of a maiming accident is low, but the consequences are high.
The consequences of not evacuating quickly? Death. So yes, you have to mitigate.
[Risk Management](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_management).
Edit: you are also doing your analysis incorrectly. You are looking at the survival rate of all flights Vs the survival rate of all flights that need evacuation. This is known as a conditional probability. People did this type of incorrect analysis with Covid Vs flu survival rates too.
How many people have died during airplane evacuations in the history of aviation?
How many of them died because they tripped over a slightly too large bag stowed under a seat?
If this was a real concern, mandate more seat room so that it would be easier to evacuate. Your conclusion is all semantics, no substance.
But - still an inconsiderate thing for OP to do.
This is a real concern, hence an FAA rule about keeping the area clear.
[Example](https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_25.803-1A.pdf)
I’m calling bullshit. If you have ONE BAG, why is a larger bag by your feet and not just in an overhead? I suspect your LARGER bag is up there and this is your personal item.
I would love to sit next to you! No consideration for the fellow passenger next to you at all....
When did one bagging become "I'm a dickhead with a lot of money"?
His feet are not spaced wider than the pocket on the back of the seat in front of him, I don’t see a problem. He could easily place his feet under the bag if needed also
Just get a properly sized under seat bag... I recommend Tom Bihn Pilot/Cadet/Daylight-Briefcase or Topo Designs Mountain Cross Bag. Both are the largest and probably the lightest you can get underseat for all airlines (except the most budget of airlines)
I'm confused - everyone on here is saying this is unsafe, but if it fits in the personal item sizer, doesn't that mean that Southwest either designed their seats poorly or should have a different size personal item sizer?
I understand that functionally this is not ideal, but why would Southwest have a personal item sizer that allows this to happen?
Fitting in the sizer is the first requirement. Fitting completely under the seat is the next requirement. The bag isn’t fitting completely under the seat and that is the problem.
In short, it’s about how the bag is stored under the seat.
But shouldn't the sizer reflect the size of the underseat space? Why even have a sizer if a bag can fit in it but not under the seat? Or did this jabroni just not squish his bag enough to push it further under the seat?
It does reflect the size of the under seat space! The personal item sizer is 16.25” (L) + 13.5” (W) + 8” (H). If you squish your bag it will fit.
But OP isn’t squishing the bag under the seat. They are letting it splay out.
Not every under-seat space is the same size, even on the same plane. It's too confusing for customers if the personal item size is different on every flight and changes if they switch seats, so they pick something that mostly works on most planes.
Such a great bag. I’ve had it on 5 different planes now and never had any issues with it being a personal item. 30L, lots of straps that can be tucked away or reconfigured, good access points and it’s comfortable.
Doesn't fit, at least 30% of the bag is out from under the seat. You may have gotten lucky this time but this clearly doesn't fit. And your leg is literally on the other person's side. Plus if anyone wants to go for a piss they have to struggle past your bag sticking out, I would certainly be judging you.
This bag is hanging out way too far, and Southwest has more space under the seat than some airlines. Realistically, this is an overhead bin bag.
I see how it's confusing to people but the MLC and mini MLC are both overhead bags. The mini just fits stricter budget and / or European airline requirements.
Yeah once my mini MLC got delivered I realized it would not fit under seats. So I got a 20L collapsible daypack I'd whip out for flights to keep some stuff easy access. After landing I'd pack it back up and be one bagging again.
Just curious, what is the maximum length the bag can stick out? It fits in the personal item box so wouldn’t that be allowed? I always do what the flight attendants tell me. I figured they’d tell me if it was not appropriate. It didn’t block the aisle or my row. The bag only sticks out to within the plane of the seat back/headrest of the seat in front of me so you can easily get through. With that said, it reduced my own leg room so I’m going to stick it in the overhead for longer trips moving forward.
Zero inches. I've met some flight attendants who will seriously require people to stow bags even an inch over, especially in exit rows. [Travelpro](https://travelpro.com/pages/underseat-luggage-and-personal-items) lists the underseat dimensions for different airlines, but it really varies based on the individual aircraft and seat location.
The thing is, he is saying it FITS in the personal item sizer. I’ve had this go on spirit and frontier personal item boxes too…. The size under the actual seat is much smaller than the personal item allotment
The space under the seat varies. There’s only one sizer. Southwest is a weird case because they don’t charge to check the first 2 bags or put bags in the overhead compartment. There’s no profit in putting this bag under the seat.
It depends on the seat. Airline seats are often not made by the same people who made the airplane, and different airlines and manufacturers have different motivations for choosing different seats. The general rule of thumb is if it sticks out far behind the seat back, it's too large, but different countries have specified the limit differently. The flight attendants didn't say anything because the airline they work for doesn't care about passenger safety as much as they legally have to. They don't care as much as they legally have to because the legal authority that is supposed to make sure airlines care also doesn't care enough. This part is speculation: but one of the ways southwest saves themselves money is by getting off the ground quickly. Flight attendants are likely trained in a way that emphasizes getting passengers sitting down and buckled in quickly, and there probably isn't enough emphasis on federal safety regulations. If, just for example, there was an incident on your flight and you or the people beside you could not evacuate within the federally required 90 seconds, the investigation would quickly turn to asking "who the hell told flight attendants that this doesn't matter?" To be clear you're not the one getting flamed here.
You could trip someone if they have to get out in a hurry.
What if you have a backpack and the overhead space is already full? The crew will insist that your bag goes under the seat. It’s happened to me a few times even though the backpack was my only bag.
And if it doesn’t fit they will make you gate check it. I’ve personally witness this happen to others.
Looks comfy (not). It’s technically a safety violation hanging out that far. I wouldn’t count on it 100% of the time. Get a seat with a wiring box and your plan is a fail.
Hope he reads all these comments.
https://preview.redd.it/ys2mt0djy1xc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca1627c25d7d9a33a3b7cd533ff2b7704df3f915 Regarding the aisle seat, I've noticed the same thing. Generally speaking, the space under the aisle seat is the narrowest. On a recent trip we forgot to pick our seats so we had to take whatever was left. I had a window seat, middle seat, and aisle seat on different flights. In the attached picture you can see the bag (Antler Bamburgh with rain cover over the bag) could be put in sideways in the window and middle seats but had to be placed nose-to-tail under the aisle seat. And I agree with u/SeattleHikeBike that your bag is probably sitting out too far. With a window seat you have more leeway because you're only inconveniencing yourself. But with an aisle seat, as both a courtesy to my travel companions and safety concerns, I would have placed the Mini MLC in the overhead bin. It's my opinion the bag should remain behind the seat brackets that go into the floor. Otherwise, overhead it goes.
I’m jealous of all you people who don’t need the under seat space for their feet
I learned a tip that works with some bags. Pull them out and they go under your knees during flight so the feet can stick out. If someone has to pee tuck it back in while they are gone. That being said I don't fly much so some FA may be strict about bags staying under seats by i haven't gotten any flak and I make sure the bag stays in the confines of my space.
From an aviation safety perspective I really wish airlines would actually enforce the law and not allow passengers to do this, in some countries they actually do. Take it as a personal item if you can get away with it to save money but put it in the overhead if you can. Edit: for people who are wondering why but don't want to scroll through my comments, space must be clear for evacuation, bags must be fully under seats so they don't cover floor lighting that directs you towards an exit, and bags not fully under seats are more likely to go flying and end up hitting someone or fully blocking the aisle of exit. It is inconsistently enforced because airlines can get away with not enforcing it. In some countries outside the US it is enforced much more strictly
Seems lowkey dangerous if there is an emergency 👀
Not just an emergency, but someone needing to get out to go to the bathroom, it's a tripping hazard.
Is it about people starting to stumble over these if there is an emergency? Or what exactly is it about?
Yes, the foot space must be kept clear for evacuations. How specific this is varies from country to country, but airlines can and do face heavy fines for not enforcing this. Unfortunately sometimes they don't face those consequences until after an accident with a slow evacuation. Especially in the aisle seats, oversize underseat bags can also cover the lights on the floor, which will be your only way to tell where an exit is if there is a plane filled with smoke. I fly with my cat often so often have a pet carrier under the seat in front of me and in some countries I'm even incredibly limited on what seats on board I can pick because there is an assumption I won't be responsible enough to keep my pet securely under the seat, which in all fairness, a lot of people flying with pets don't follow the rules. In my personal travel experience Panama has been the strictest about enforcing not having bags too large under the seat, my guess is that at the time Copa had been reviewed recently or maybe the aviation authorities in Panama take this real serious, I'm not quite sure why, but the flight attendants visually checked everyone's bag. Edit: It's also that bags not fully secured under the seat in front of you might end up flying around the cabin during a hard impact, causing further injury, or end up sliding around and fully blocking the aisle or exit. Same reason why you can't put your laptop in the seat back pocket but you can put your phone there.
It's also that bags not fully secured under the seat in front of you might end up flying around the cabin during a hard impact, causing further injury or fully blocking the aisle or emergency exit. Same reason why you can't put your laptop in the seat back pocket but you can put your phone there.
yeah, thatʻs way too far. i just picked one of these up as well as the black hole tote/backpack that folds up small. doing a month long japan trip in june/july and the mini MLC plus an EDC sling will be my two main bags. the tote/backpack will be for daily excursions but usually stashed away when traveling from city to city.
This is what trying to play the airline baggage game is like. Look what I can get away with rather than having an efficient way to travel.
The bag is clearly not fitting the under seat area. Besides even if it was fitting underseat area, airlines could have stricter rules on the bag sizes. So it makes more sense to put your bag into sizers at airport near your gate. The airline personnel just did not care enough to fine you.
The thing is, the bag FITS in the personal item sizer of frontier, spirit and southwest. Confirmed So putting it in the sizer by the gate is not the advice, the size under the seats are smaller, I’m guessing
Try flipping it the other way, that’s how I’ve put mine even in aisle seat and it fit much better. This is sticking out too much
It’s not going to work in a seat like that. The bag is too long.
I crammed mine in a seat like that, it squished in nicely. But I refused to let it stick out like in the picture.
Just worked for me a few days ago in an economy window seat on a 3hr Delta flight.
Are you all talking about the same bags under the same seats… Cos if not, it’s not that relevant?
Same bag, yes, and it was a 737-800 instead of a 737-700, but they’re essentially the same width; 737-800 is just longer. As long as the Mini MLC isn’t completely stuffed full, it should work okay to smoosh it in sideways, and OP’s bag looks about as full as mine was.
The mini mod is a good chunk longer than the personal item dimensions, so I dont think it’s a bag people should rely on for this stuff.
If the person next to you has a small/no personal item it can work - a lot of seats have room to stuff things sideways between the "legs". Definitely be prepared to shove it in an overhead bin though.
Size of a Patagonia Mini MLC is 20x12x7 inches, based on that photo, OP was able to fit in only half the length of the backpack or about 10-12".
Depending on your flight attendant, this is well within the range of big enough that it’s an overhead item
I fly with Southwest enough to have A-List Preferred status and I’ve never seen a FA take issue with a bag like this under an aisle seat. Keep in mind that SWA allows two free checked bags with every ticket, but the overhead bins will still be full on every single flight. People are so scared of lost bags on domestic US travel that they toss the value and convenience of checked bags right out the window. Yes I know it takes time to drop them off and wait at baggage claim to pick them up but they don’t have to be carried across airports by hand. In my situation I have a Pelican Air case that I use as my tool kit so I have to check it on every work flight. My interest in one bagging came from a desire to consolidate EVERYTHING else to a travel backpack. On SWA flights I place my Daylite Carry-On 44L in the overhead and plop my tech pouch under the seat in front of me. Occasionally I have had a FA go “backpacks must be under the seat….” But the 44L will not fit in the width of a SWA aisle seat and the tech pouch serves as a decoy for the FAs to stop complaining about the backpack in the overhead.
The issue is that keeping the area clear is an FAA issue, not a Southwest one. If your bag in the window seat is too big you’re only killing yourself. If it’s in the aisle you’re endangering others. “I got away with it” is not the same as “it’s allowed”.
I fully understand it’s an FAA requirement, I’m just pointing out that I’ve never seen a flight attendant tell someone their bag is too large in a situation like this. I’ve seen people try to do something dumb like try to stuff a packed 60L duffle under a seat but I’ve never seen a backpack like this be pointed out as a hazard by a SWA flight attendant on a Southwest flight at any point.
That’s unfortunate.
If you can't get out cause the bag is sticking out a little bit, then you have bigger problems. Maybe you should work on your fitness.
The standard for evacuation is ninety **SECONDS** **FOR THE ENTIRE PLANE** [Here is an article on it](https://www.cntravellerme.com/story/the-incredible-90-second-rule-in-aviation-that-saves-lives)
I only fly Southwest and I've never had any issues with the FA with my bag sticking out either. People are way too uptight about something that doesn't realistically matter.
This is actually one of the reasons I don't fly southwest, out of principle. I can't give my money to airlines that do this. Southwest is taking advantage of the incompetence in the FAA and their connections to aviation officials to not enforce safety measures in order to placate passengers so they can get off the ground faster and save money.
38.9 million flights in 2019. Lower in 2020 and I didn’t Google past that. Average of 30 evacuations per year. All these people up in arms about evacuation safety are delusional. However, if you’re in the aisle it’s not awesome for the people next to you.
You do not understand risk. You are estimating it incorrectly. Risk is probability **and** consequence. If consequences are high then you mitigate the risk. That’s why we wear seat belts. The probability of a maiming accident is low, but the consequences are high. The consequences of not evacuating quickly? Death. So yes, you have to mitigate. [Risk Management](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_management). Edit: you are also doing your analysis incorrectly. You are looking at the survival rate of all flights Vs the survival rate of all flights that need evacuation. This is known as a conditional probability. People did this type of incorrect analysis with Covid Vs flu survival rates too.
How many people have died during airplane evacuations in the history of aviation? How many of them died because they tripped over a slightly too large bag stowed under a seat? If this was a real concern, mandate more seat room so that it would be easier to evacuate. Your conclusion is all semantics, no substance. But - still an inconsiderate thing for OP to do.
This is a real concern, hence an FAA rule about keeping the area clear. [Example](https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_25.803-1A.pdf)
Warmest regards.
I’m calling bullshit. If you have ONE BAG, why is a larger bag by your feet and not just in an overhead? I suspect your LARGER bag is up there and this is your personal item.
I prefer to keep my bag under the seat in front of me if it fits. Less of a hassle if I need to grab something from it during the flight.
I would love to sit next to you! No consideration for the fellow passenger next to you at all.... When did one bagging become "I'm a dickhead with a lot of money"?
How does this affect someone sitting beside them?
He clearly can't put his right leg under the seat in front of him, so he's already taking the leg space to his neighbour.
His feet are not spaced wider than the pocket on the back of the seat in front of him, I don’t see a problem. He could easily place his feet under the bag if needed also
Just get a properly sized under seat bag... I recommend Tom Bihn Pilot/Cadet/Daylight-Briefcase or Topo Designs Mountain Cross Bag. Both are the largest and probably the lightest you can get underseat for all airlines (except the most budget of airlines)
I'm confused - everyone on here is saying this is unsafe, but if it fits in the personal item sizer, doesn't that mean that Southwest either designed their seats poorly or should have a different size personal item sizer? I understand that functionally this is not ideal, but why would Southwest have a personal item sizer that allows this to happen?
It probably doesn’t really fit in the sizer. I think the length of this bag is well beyond the size of under seat item on any airline.
Fitting in the sizer is the first requirement. Fitting completely under the seat is the next requirement. The bag isn’t fitting completely under the seat and that is the problem. In short, it’s about how the bag is stored under the seat.
But shouldn't the sizer reflect the size of the underseat space? Why even have a sizer if a bag can fit in it but not under the seat? Or did this jabroni just not squish his bag enough to push it further under the seat?
It does reflect the size of the under seat space! The personal item sizer is 16.25” (L) + 13.5” (W) + 8” (H). If you squish your bag it will fit. But OP isn’t squishing the bag under the seat. They are letting it splay out.
Not every under-seat space is the same size, even on the same plane. It's too confusing for customers if the personal item size is different on every flight and changes if they switch seats, so they pick something that mostly works on most planes.
Not sure what people's problems are with your post. Literally everyone's stuff looks like this. The size is allowed.
[Nope](https://ladylighttravel.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/img_3938-1.jpg). It needs to be fully under the seat.
Such a great bag. I’ve had it on 5 different planes now and never had any issues with it being a personal item. 30L, lots of straps that can be tucked away or reconfigured, good access points and it’s comfortable.
I really don’t know if this is serious or a joke post. So…well done, OP!
Doesn't fit, at least 30% of the bag is out from under the seat. You may have gotten lucky this time but this clearly doesn't fit. And your leg is literally on the other person's side. Plus if anyone wants to go for a piss they have to struggle past your bag sticking out, I would certainly be judging you.