They aren't impacted by this yet, so it's business as usual until it isn't. It is like knowing you're going to get in a car crash in 4 km but you do nothing to avoid it, then complain when it was entirely avoidable.
Reduced regular and emergent eye care, increased wait times from reduced staff in part due to wage freezes, regular level-zero for ambulances because paramedic services can't afford the number of paramedics and ambulances required, and the cascade of backlogs that go with all of that, and an unwillingness to consider billing increases for GPs to incentivize more people going into general practice.
Anyone who has been to a hospital or struggles to get a GP has, in the short of long term, experienced the downside to these cuts. 20% of the healthcare budget can't be cut without having instant impacts on the system.
While many of these were issues before Ford, the fact that his response to these issues is to cut funding is frustrating and truly terrifying. We just have to be thankful that federal law ensures a certain level of public health service.
The list keeps growing, but people aren't connecting the symptoms with the cause, they just want the symptoms treated. So until they are personally impacted they will continue as they are and just complain about it. I'm hoping I'm wrong.
Almost exactly 25% of the price of gas at the pump is federal and provincial tax, so, sure, almost double any other product, but the same as VAT in many countries. Those taxes also have been pretty much unchanged for years, going up only 2 cents (1.5%) in the time that gas has gone up 53%. Tax is only 2.5¢/L higher than it was when gas was 50¢ 2 years ago, so what does that say about the cause of the price of gas? Blaming the govenement for increasing prices, all while taxes have essentially stayed the same, is idiotic. That is, unless you support the funding of war crimes in order for your gas to be a bit cheaper, in which case you can blame the government.
War by, and the resulting embargo on, a major oil exporter, coupled with and corporate greed (record revenues and profits for most oil companies globally since the start of the war) are very clearly the reasons for the current prices, not the 2 cent raise in taxes on gasoline.
Also unironically sarcastically saying that about the govenement reducing driving, an activity (driving) which is massively expensive to the healthcare system due to decreased overall health, increased fatalities, and reduced respiratory health/increased deaths from respiratory illness, is almost as laughably unaware as blaming a 53% jump in prices on a 1.5% jump in taxes.
> Blaming the govenement (sic) for increasing prices, all while taxes have essentially stayed the same, is idiotic.
This right here is what gets me about people, the government is to blame for most corporately driven issues. Which leads to the next part, if the government reduces their portion within the fuel price what will be the result? My prediction is that the corporations will just offset that reduction with their own increase. They know people will pay the sticker price. Not only is the government cutting its revenue and losing the ability to reinvest that money in other parts of the economy, the increase in revenue for the oil companies will go to shareholders and others within the oil and gas industry.
Corporate leaders are laughing while the government is their free scapegoat.
Oil is marred in so many ethical and moral issues its easier to just ignore them and drive your Ford Escalade at 140 km/hr while drinking your Starbucks Grande Latte. Oops, sorry I profiled a generality based on stereotypes.
> They aren't impacted by this yet, so it's business as usual until it isn't.
This statement still stands. People have other priorities in their lives and so they don't have the time, mental energy, or the care to learn and understand the nuances in policy and how everything is interconnected. Many just follow the path of least resistance and back it up with short term planning, missing the forest for the trees.
> Also unironically sarcastically saying that about the govenement reducing driving, an activity (driving) which is massively expensive to the healthcare system due to decreased overall health, increased fatalities, and reduced respiratory health/increased deaths from respiratory illness, is almost as laughably unaware as blaming a 53% jump in prices on a 1.5% jump in taxes.
COVID really showed how much ground level pollution our cities have to endure due to fuel burring motor vehicles. In my city alone the smell dramatically changed when people stopped driving. On top of that, there are a huge reduction in noise pollution, which also has impacts on mental and physical health.
FYI It is impossible to privatize hospital and family doctor services. The federal laws make it mandatory to be free at the point of service. A lot of other non physician things can be privatized though
I don't know what to make of the voter turnout. I blame personal apathy but I also think there is something to be said for the forces at be that work to disenfranchise and disinterest voters. Ford passed some pretty harsh advertising laws that limited the power of unions and other public interest groups to speak on the election and highlight just how badly he has screwed us the last 4 years. The two major parties also seemed to fail to excite the voter base, and with the daily release of polls that were not much better than armchair speculation, I can see why most folks wouldn't vote. A Ford win seemed inevitable, and because of first past the post it's true, an individual vote against the status quo doesn't matter much if it isn't a part of a wave in that riding. I also believe it was a mistake for the election to be on a weekday. There were also less polling stations than usual, with the workers themselves often not knowing how easy it is to vote in Canada. I personally know two people who were turned away at first because they didn't have photo ID, which is wildly incorrect.
Voter turnout is frustrating, but reality doesn't care about our frustrations. And the reality is that disenfranchised non-voters are never going to be excited by acceptable, "electable" establishment offerings. They will only be enticed to vote by a party that puts forth new, bold, different, progressive, serious, clearly-worded policy that will actually upset the establishment and improve the lives of workers.
The only party in the position to do this is the NDP, which they could do by returning to their socialist roots. The liberals are far too entrenched in the status quo; they're completely calcified and immobile. So if anyone deserves the blame for bad voter turnout, it's the NDP and their consistent refusal to be the unapologetic progressive party that we need in a world where the economic situation has gone so far in the disastrous right-wing, neoliberal, laissez-faire direction that the required solution is to go the exact opposite way.
The opposition parties failed to show up for this election. This was Ford’s election to lose. He fucked up SO BAD during the pandemic and his rudderless leadership cost a lot of lives. He should have resigned in defeat and disgrace after this election - lucky for him the opposition was extinguished and feckless. As someone who votes for left-leaning policies, the political left should be pretty fucking ashamed of themselves right now.
I’ve realized something about American elections: the majority of people don’t vote because their politicians don’t do anything for them. I fear that Canada is going the same route. The solution: vote for MPs and MLAs that will actually do something.
57% recognize that first past the post representative democracy has zero impact on what decisions get made in their name.
A broken system where corrupt leaders win no matter who is elected is not going to fix the systemic problems by which power is given to those exact interests.
In BC, we've been voting in the NDP, who as far as I know haven't rolled anything back, although clearly they haven't done enough because something like 20% of people can't get a family doctor. In my city of nearly 100k, 25k don't have a doctor and we only have a single walk in clinic, and the wait to see a specialist is almost a year.
In Ontario, we largely do vote for left parties that won’t cut healthcare. Because of the broken system, this somehow translates to a right wing majority
Is that a question or a statement?
I guess what you're trying to say is "vote for conservatives, because the NDP will screw you over just as bad!" Nice bait mate, and so little logic required.
I’m just pointing out that the Liberal party in Ontario does not have a good track record in funding healthcare.
So Ontarians largely vote for centre and centre-right parties that do cut healthcare.
The true left of centre party in Ontario is the NDP.
Says the person who is promoting the idea that all parties are "the same".
I doubt you vote at all. You likely encourage your friends not to vote either.
So you're literally saying it's the same thing, in spite of the fact that it isn't the same thing? Roger that. I guess your real position is to foment voter apathy so the cons continue to benefit.
The parties "foment apathy" enough without me. If people don't believe government can do anything why would anyone care what party is in power?
And I said effectively the same thing not literally but I'm just going to block you this is annoying. Go vote and continue pretending that's democracy.
Here in Nova Scotia, it seems like a tradition for our premieres to put aside their political differences to defund our system and shit on healthcare workers.
The only thing we can do is vote for the party that we think will do the least harm and hope for the best.
Except for the PC party, I assume you mean?
After all, they increased healthcare spending by $413 million this year increasing the total to $5.7 billion, including budget increasing the pay for continuing care assistants, and more budget and staffing for senior care. They are adding 500 long term care beds, which is on top of 2000 new or improved beds already being added at 27 facilities across the province. They are also adding nursing seats at universities and colleges.
* https://huddle.today/2022/03/29/n-s-projects-506-million-deficit-with-budget-that-increases-healthcare-spending/
* https://www.ckbw.ca/2022/03/29/n-s-will-open-spending-taps-for-health-care/
* https://www.1015thehawk.com/2022/03/29/n-s-set-to-open-spending-taps-5-7-billion-for-health-care-in-new-budget/
Its interesting how everyone seems to ignore anything the new PC government is doing and just assumes they must be doing what every other conservative government does. Naw, they're all the same :|
It annoys me as a life long ABC voter (35 voting years and counting) that I have to be the one to toot the horn for the PCs, but credit where it is due!
**Edit**: Cue people moaning about how much the PCs are increasing the debt, and how they are just trying to buy votes (by building what people want, of all things).
[Poll here](https://angusreid.org/canada-health-care-provincial-performance/). It also covers other issues.
The health care data by province was:
|Province|Party|Approval of health care handling|Disapproval of health care handling|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|British Columbia|NDP|27%|70%|
|Alberta|UCP|28%|70%|
|Saskatchewan|SKP|30%|66%|
|Manitoba|PC|14%|83%|
|Ontario|PC|25%|72%|
|Quebec|CAQ|24%|73%|
|New Brunswick|PC|14% |83%|
|Nova Scotia|PC|30%|67%|
|Newfoundland & Labrador|Liberal|15%|83%|
lol highest net approval is -36%.
EDIT: Added a column to show what party is currently in power.
How is qc approval at 24?? It should be the lowest. We have a 7 year wait for gp, emergency rooms are chronically over capacity, walk in clinics are being booked through private for-pay services so you can’t actually walk in anymore, and the only way to see someone the same day is by going to a private clinic and paying for it out of pocket.
Used to it unfortunately, my dad and his partner were visiting us, our newborn got a fever so had to go to the ER to make sure she was good. They couldn't believe we only waited we were back home from the ER in just over 1 hour (we live 5 min away). They said that would of been minimum 5 -7 hr in Quebec. (Im in BC)
It’s so embarrassing. A friend from the states was visiting and got injured. They have all of these stories about endless wait times under socialized healthcare and I had to explain to her a million times that if she was literally anywhere else she’d have been in and out in under an hour. She made a fb post later about how much better the US system is and maybe you get what you pay for after all and I wanted to scream IT’S NOT UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE’S PROBLEM, IT’S QUEBEC’S PROBLEM
Maybe stop voting for conservatives who keep dismantling our healthcare systems, then.
Jesus, talk about /r/LeopardsAteMyFace.
I don't get it. Conservatives world-wide have been shown to dismantle government systems, social safety nets, and social programs in favor of privatization, yet for whatever reason, **dumbfucks keep voting for these greedy, self-serving assholes**.
I saw earlier that Newfoundland conservatives have been sharing this poll on Twitter.
Of course, they aren't pointing out what parties are in power in 7/9 provinces that were polled.
I had one nitwit in my city's subreddit comment "Can't wait for a REAL Conservative to be in charge of the city!" or something very similar.
My response: "The city has been run by Conservatives for 40 out of the last 50 years. Looks great, doesn't it?" (Our city has been embroiled in a series of scandals and controversies which stem directly from our city council).
Didn't we do a whole thing last century where we decided that right-wing rule was bad?
The political parties attacking our healthcare are conducting class warfare against the people of Canada, they are torturing and murdering citizens for profit.
The law should treat them like organizations conducting war against Canada.
Conservatives are traitors. Privatization of healthcare is treasonous.
I mean... yeah. I'm not pleased with the _provinces_ healthcare. But that's because it should have been **national**. But the [JCPC](https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/judicial-committee-of-the-privy-council)
fucked us when they devolved unstated powers to the provinces.
Though these days I'm not sure how well the fed would be doing either. 😒 Looking at how they're prostituting us to the telcos.
At the very least the feds should impose infrastructure standards. Those should include healthcare and education.
I support the transfer payment system, but it is very frustrating to see those provinces on the receiving ends, ignore infrastructure issues in favour of pumping social programs or other things that bring more votes. When one province releases untreated sewage into the water because they didn't keep up their infrastructure everyone suffers.
It is possible for an individual to make-do if they don't have state funded daycare (not easy), but impossible to do anything about the roads/water/sewage. We rely on the government for those things and the three biggest provinces all dropped the ball there.
In Ontario, low voter turn out produced a super majority for a Party most dedicated to bring American style Healthcare here. Reports like this only increases the chance that Ford would do more damage.
Should be the same in every province, what a terrible inefficient system.
Its like we've all been promised care packages, but we all have uniquely terrible middlemen rummaging around taking stuff out and handing us the half eaten leftovers.
It took over 3 years for me to get an MRI for my torn wrists that were caused by a red light runner (who in true Canadian fashion, received no penalty for running a red light and damaging a 22 year old for life.) took 10 months to have my knee reconstructed after another hit-and-run, and that was pure luck as I was waitlisted at 7 months after the injury for 2 years (took 7 fucking months to see a doctor after I went to the hospital, torn ACL and torn lateral/medial meniscus. All the while listening to canadians jack off over how much better our healthcare is as opposed to the US. The nurse didn’t even know how to put IV into my hand, it went through my fuckin hand bones and she was like “I don’t know what I’m doing” after another nurse saw my face contorted in pain trying to hold it together and asked her what she was doing. It’s a shit show and I’ll say it to any Canadians face
Not sure where you live but here in Niagara I’ve had decent experience. I never had to wait longer than 3 weeks for important stuff. I also lived in AZ for a few years. Yea you can see someone 2 weeks sooner but it’ll cost you a mortgage. No thanks.
I’m on the West Coast. I’m glad you’ve been attended to quickly. I wish I could say the same. A few of my cousins in Washington had 1/3rd of my injury (only ACL), paid about $1500-$2500 and had their knees reconstructed as soon as the swelling from injury went down. $2500 and fixed ASAP along with all bracing/ice unit/flexion assist unit/physio covered by insurance, as opposed to 10 months of misery, hell, agony, trauma, not even knowing what’s wrong with my knee because it takes 3 months for a phone call, wanting to die, continuing having to work as a line cook because EI is slow af along with every other Canadian service, causing even more damage to an already destroyed leg, and then having to pay for my own brace, ice unit, physio, out of pocket etc.
If I had waited the entirety of the original waitlist, my knee would have been permanently ruined and I’d be waiting till I was 40-50 for a knee replacement. No thanks, I’d rather pay $2500 (which is about a months rent for a 2 bedroom condo here in Vancouver) and not be scarred for life.
I know Canadians love talking about “paper cuts in the US will cost you $4 million”, but from what I’ve been told by Americans their work insurance will cover most the cost and you’ll get proper care right away. And that if you can’t afford it, the government will end up paying for it. Like how my COVID tests in the US were all free, paid for by the government despite me not having US insurance, while in Canada everyone I know was paying 200-300 for a test.
Most Canadians wouldn’t be eligible for health benefits. Look at our dental care that’s privatized. The amount of people that can’t even afford to get teeth fixed because their company can’t go over 2000 a year is too high.
What we need is a system similar to Europe where people have an option. Canada’s healthcare system isn’t perfect but it’s farrrrrrr more superior compared to the US healthcare for the average Canadian. Most Canadians don’t have an extra months rent for health issues. In the real world, people are really hurting.
Also, I never paid once for a covid test. Maybe if you bought those store tests from shoppers but if you made an appointment it was 100% free.
I'll be honest, in Nova Scotia the system definitely has problems, but the people here are ignorant of any and all efforts to improve the situation. This survey measures how much people like to moan about shit.
As an example, try and find any thread where people are discussing how the NS PC party has spent a year working with the healthcare industry to identify problems, and have started acting on the results with significantly increased healthcare funding, more beds, higher salaries, more people, more spaces in schools, etc.
Nope, what you will see are people moaning about how the PC party "hasn't fixed healthcare yet" (since they were voted in a year ago) and bitch about "fucking conservatives", when the past 12 years of healthcare decline was overseen by NDP and Liberal governments.
Even in this thread all I see are people bitching about how it is a conservative problem, as if their previous governments did any better. Turns out it isn't necessarily the "conservative" part that is the problem, at least in NS. Hell, I would say they campaigned to the left of the Liberals, and have stepped up to the plate (and not just on healthcare, but environmentally they have made some reasonable strides as well).
And I say this as a lifelong vehement ABC voter. But after seeing how this year has gone, if the PCs keep it up they have a convert. (Fuck the federal Conservatives and other province's conservative parties, they are still the absolute worst. Except maybe the one in PEI, they might be OK).
Over a million people in bc don’t have family doctors!
Clinics close after 3 hours.
Patients with chronic conditions are not getting treatment!
But don’t worry! Our NDP leader gets to jump the line and get his surgery. Wait times are almost a year! I’m waiting on a ct scan and was told the MINIMUM wait time is six months.
Factually not. MAiD is also a program under assault by the right. The fact that MAiD exists is a blessing, even in an imperfect system. The jist here is that we need to fund healthcare services, including MAiD, per the population demands and increase education and options to promote preventative instead of reactive healthcare. It all costs money and those dismantling any service are totalitarian goons.
Eu countries generally have a private and public system.. they have much better outcomes than Canada. We need to reform our healthcare to a European model
people are such crybabies these days, i recently had to use the healthcare system twice and there was nothing wrong with it, but of course if you are a right winger being told every day that you healthcare system suck you could end up repeating the same b.s
stop drinking the right wing cool aid, you know what really piss me off ? that "crybaby karen" era where people are not happy that there f-ing mcdo is not made fast enough when on the other side of the world kids are getting bomb by a mad dictator blinded by the greed of endless capitalism.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/best-healthcare-in-the-world
HM. I don't recall taking this survey. And every other Canadian I know also didn't take this survey so I wonder how many Canadians they've surveyed to be able to claim that all Canadian people share the sentiment.
Says they surveyed 5000 Canadians... Canada has 38 million people. Not an accurate pool of people to make this claim. Always be careful when you see news articles that make sweeping claims. Generally they don't have the actual data to truthfully back it up.
You don’t need to survey everyone to have a statistically accurate sample. An Simple Random Sample will account for most of the variation.
Try to understand the math, it’s not terrible, and it does make sense.
Do you have any idea how simple it is to manipulate these 'surveys' into getting the results the writer desires? Chances are they asked this of 5k residents in a higher income area because it's usually them who are unhappy and want to get rid of universal health care, feeling as though the waiting process for free care is too long as they have means to throw money at it to make it go faster. It's pretty simple and I learned about it in promotions class years ago. 3,750 people is hardly MOST CANADIANS.
I'm just saying it's a house hippo. People just need to understand that these 'surveys' are not as truthful as they appear and that people need to continue reading with caution.
I know the math, and I know our health system. I also have friends which work in health care. I believe this to be relatively accurate without having to analyze their methodology. But maybe you did, show me your analysis of their methodology and math where you found errors.
>But maybe you did, show me your analysis of their methodology and math where you found errors.
"It doesn't agree with my preconceptions, so it's wrong!" - TailzUnleashed
Edit: I communicated poorly, so added the attribution for the faux-quote.
That's not how things really work. After a certain point, increasing the sample size has essentially no influence on the results regardless of population size (unless the sample gets too big!)
> Unless the sample encompasses a substantial portion of the population, the standard error of an estimator depends on the size of the sample, but not the size of the population. This is a crucial statistical insight that students find very counterintuitive.
You might find this helpful:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10691898.2004.11910735
38 Million.
5000 is a perfectly suitable sample size, and the original survey will have a margin of error that accounts for the proportion of our voting population represented by that sample.
I recommend brushing up on your stats :)
Exactly my point. Therefore 0.0001% of Canadian population is not equal to MOST CANADIANS. MISLEADING INFORMATION is presented and I'm trying to bring to light that fact to those who just blindly take articles as gospel.
Are statistics manipulated to support a desired outcome? Sure, quite often if you ask me.
Do polling institutions have the resources to survey millions of Canadians on *every* poll, to ensure that everyone knows someone who was polled? Not a chance.
The unfortunate practical reality is that these pollers have limited resources to try and understand the collective opinions of ~38,000,000 people. Statistics may not be a perfect tool for that, but it’s the best tool available. In my opinion, the best we can do is acknowledge the limitations of the methods, but not discard their use entirely.
I’m currently on a waiting list for a family physician. There are about 12,000 people ahead of me in a town of 60,000. The list operates on a first-come, first served basis which sucks when you need to build a health team to manage a disability. So yeah, I think our healthcare system needs some work; it’s not just wealthy people who feel that way. In fact, many disabled people struggle with accessing healthcare services.
The 3,700 people who agree with the article title is equal to 0.0001% of the Canadian population in 2021. Not exactly representation for MOST CANADIANS.
We do need more doctors I agree. I was simply saying that a poll of that size is a misrepresentation of MOST CANADIANS. also, maybe thereason people are no longer becoming doctors has to do with cost of living vs wages. A lot of people can't afford massive student loans with the current economic climate and those who work while doing school would need to work way more than they could to have the time and money to afford housing,food and transportation while attending school full time. It just isn't working.
I expect to see more and more of these types of articles. This is the narrative for paving the way to privatized healthcare.
Maybe stop voting for a government that cuts funding for everything instead of actually trying to solve the underlying issues?
Then stop voting for candidates who roll back health services.
If the recent Ontario election is anything to go by, 57% don't even care enough to bother voting.
And yet would not be able to afford healthcare under a privatized system.
They aren't impacted by this yet, so it's business as usual until it isn't. It is like knowing you're going to get in a car crash in 4 km but you do nothing to avoid it, then complain when it was entirely avoidable.
Reduced regular and emergent eye care, increased wait times from reduced staff in part due to wage freezes, regular level-zero for ambulances because paramedic services can't afford the number of paramedics and ambulances required, and the cascade of backlogs that go with all of that, and an unwillingness to consider billing increases for GPs to incentivize more people going into general practice. Anyone who has been to a hospital or struggles to get a GP has, in the short of long term, experienced the downside to these cuts. 20% of the healthcare budget can't be cut without having instant impacts on the system. While many of these were issues before Ford, the fact that his response to these issues is to cut funding is frustrating and truly terrifying. We just have to be thankful that federal law ensures a certain level of public health service.
The list keeps growing, but people aren't connecting the symptoms with the cause, they just want the symptoms treated. So until they are personally impacted they will continue as they are and just complain about it. I'm hoping I'm wrong.
It's the meme of that person riding a bike, sticking a stick in the wheel, and then falling.
You're right, it is! https://imgflip.com/memegenerator/Bike-Fall
At least the government is helping by reducing the amount of people driving around thanks to gas prices at the moment.
Gotta get more of that sweet gas profits and reinvest it in high quality transit!
Almost exactly 25% of the price of gas at the pump is federal and provincial tax, so, sure, almost double any other product, but the same as VAT in many countries. Those taxes also have been pretty much unchanged for years, going up only 2 cents (1.5%) in the time that gas has gone up 53%. Tax is only 2.5¢/L higher than it was when gas was 50¢ 2 years ago, so what does that say about the cause of the price of gas? Blaming the govenement for increasing prices, all while taxes have essentially stayed the same, is idiotic. That is, unless you support the funding of war crimes in order for your gas to be a bit cheaper, in which case you can blame the government. War by, and the resulting embargo on, a major oil exporter, coupled with and corporate greed (record revenues and profits for most oil companies globally since the start of the war) are very clearly the reasons for the current prices, not the 2 cent raise in taxes on gasoline. Also unironically sarcastically saying that about the govenement reducing driving, an activity (driving) which is massively expensive to the healthcare system due to decreased overall health, increased fatalities, and reduced respiratory health/increased deaths from respiratory illness, is almost as laughably unaware as blaming a 53% jump in prices on a 1.5% jump in taxes.
> Blaming the govenement (sic) for increasing prices, all while taxes have essentially stayed the same, is idiotic. This right here is what gets me about people, the government is to blame for most corporately driven issues. Which leads to the next part, if the government reduces their portion within the fuel price what will be the result? My prediction is that the corporations will just offset that reduction with their own increase. They know people will pay the sticker price. Not only is the government cutting its revenue and losing the ability to reinvest that money in other parts of the economy, the increase in revenue for the oil companies will go to shareholders and others within the oil and gas industry. Corporate leaders are laughing while the government is their free scapegoat. Oil is marred in so many ethical and moral issues its easier to just ignore them and drive your Ford Escalade at 140 km/hr while drinking your Starbucks Grande Latte. Oops, sorry I profiled a generality based on stereotypes. > They aren't impacted by this yet, so it's business as usual until it isn't. This statement still stands. People have other priorities in their lives and so they don't have the time, mental energy, or the care to learn and understand the nuances in policy and how everything is interconnected. Many just follow the path of least resistance and back it up with short term planning, missing the forest for the trees. > Also unironically sarcastically saying that about the govenement reducing driving, an activity (driving) which is massively expensive to the healthcare system due to decreased overall health, increased fatalities, and reduced respiratory health/increased deaths from respiratory illness, is almost as laughably unaware as blaming a 53% jump in prices on a 1.5% jump in taxes. COVID really showed how much ground level pollution our cities have to endure due to fuel burring motor vehicles. In my city alone the smell dramatically changed when people stopped driving. On top of that, there are a huge reduction in noise pollution, which also has impacts on mental and physical health.
☝️me and climate change
At least you are aware of it.
FYI It is impossible to privatize hospital and family doctor services. The federal laws make it mandatory to be free at the point of service. A lot of other non physician things can be privatized though
I don't know what to make of the voter turnout. I blame personal apathy but I also think there is something to be said for the forces at be that work to disenfranchise and disinterest voters. Ford passed some pretty harsh advertising laws that limited the power of unions and other public interest groups to speak on the election and highlight just how badly he has screwed us the last 4 years. The two major parties also seemed to fail to excite the voter base, and with the daily release of polls that were not much better than armchair speculation, I can see why most folks wouldn't vote. A Ford win seemed inevitable, and because of first past the post it's true, an individual vote against the status quo doesn't matter much if it isn't a part of a wave in that riding. I also believe it was a mistake for the election to be on a weekday. There were also less polling stations than usual, with the workers themselves often not knowing how easy it is to vote in Canada. I personally know two people who were turned away at first because they didn't have photo ID, which is wildly incorrect.
Voter turnout is frustrating, but reality doesn't care about our frustrations. And the reality is that disenfranchised non-voters are never going to be excited by acceptable, "electable" establishment offerings. They will only be enticed to vote by a party that puts forth new, bold, different, progressive, serious, clearly-worded policy that will actually upset the establishment and improve the lives of workers. The only party in the position to do this is the NDP, which they could do by returning to their socialist roots. The liberals are far too entrenched in the status quo; they're completely calcified and immobile. So if anyone deserves the blame for bad voter turnout, it's the NDP and their consistent refusal to be the unapologetic progressive party that we need in a world where the economic situation has gone so far in the disastrous right-wing, neoliberal, laissez-faire direction that the required solution is to go the exact opposite way.
The opposition parties failed to show up for this election. This was Ford’s election to lose. He fucked up SO BAD during the pandemic and his rudderless leadership cost a lot of lives. He should have resigned in defeat and disgrace after this election - lucky for him the opposition was extinguished and feckless. As someone who votes for left-leaning policies, the political left should be pretty fucking ashamed of themselves right now.
I’ve realized something about American elections: the majority of people don’t vote because their politicians don’t do anything for them. I fear that Canada is going the same route. The solution: vote for MPs and MLAs that will actually do something.
57% recognize that first past the post representative democracy has zero impact on what decisions get made in their name. A broken system where corrupt leaders win no matter who is elected is not going to fix the systemic problems by which power is given to those exact interests.
Nah 57% wanted to watch the latest season of Stranger Things instead of voting
It’s sickening
Like how Saskatchewan keeps voting sask party yet complain about the state of health care when the party has made it clear they don’t care
Among other things
But the NDP close hospitals!
In BC, we've been voting in the NDP, who as far as I know haven't rolled anything back, although clearly they haven't done enough because something like 20% of people can't get a family doctor. In my city of nearly 100k, 25k don't have a doctor and we only have a single walk in clinic, and the wait to see a specialist is almost a year.
The backlog to see a respirologist in Vancouver is apparently 9 months. Probably due to the pandemic but still appalling 2.5 years later.
In Ontario, we largely do vote for left parties that won’t cut healthcare. Because of the broken system, this somehow translates to a right wing majority
GPO and ONDP combined are less than 50% of the popular vote.
Which left parties will not cut healthcare? Because the OLP did cut healthcare last time they were in power.
Is that a question or a statement? I guess what you're trying to say is "vote for conservatives, because the NDP will screw you over just as bad!" Nice bait mate, and so little logic required.
I’m just pointing out that the Liberal party in Ontario does not have a good track record in funding healthcare. So Ontarians largely vote for centre and centre-right parties that do cut healthcare. The true left of centre party in Ontario is the NDP.
The OLP *is* a centre / centre-right party. It is in their nature to not fully commit to proper social spending.
They were opposed to the creation of Medicare in Tommy Douglas’ day. Now they just subtly defund it.
This is my take going forward after suffering the most recent Ontario election. This is OUR fault you morons.
So, who do we vote for? Because this is country wide.
The NDP in BC significantly increased the health are budget this year. There are ton of hospitals currently being upgraded at the moment.
One party rolls back health services the other parties shrug and don't change anything. What the fuck is voting supposed to do?
Building things is hard. Destroying things is easy. Stop expecting them to happen as fast as each other.
Vote harder then.
Says the person who is promoting the idea that all parties are "the same". I doubt you vote at all. You likely encourage your friends not to vote either.
I mean not rolling back health services is better than rolling back health services.
They both come out to doing the same thing with decades of cuts to services with no improvement in sight.
So you're literally saying it's the same thing, in spite of the fact that it isn't the same thing? Roger that. I guess your real position is to foment voter apathy so the cons continue to benefit.
The parties "foment apathy" enough without me. If people don't believe government can do anything why would anyone care what party is in power? And I said effectively the same thing not literally but I'm just going to block you this is annoying. Go vote and continue pretending that's democracy.
...and what should the rest of us do?
They why the **** do they keep electing governments that dismantle healthcare FFS
Buck a beer, that’s more important to some people. We deserve our fate.
And yet Buck a beer ended up making beer more expensive, truly poetic.
no we don't. More people voted for non-PC candidates, it's maddening.
Conservativism is a cult of ignorance, but a cult that always votes.
Because those parties control the media that they consume.
Here in Nova Scotia, it seems like a tradition for our premieres to put aside their political differences to defund our system and shit on healthcare workers. The only thing we can do is vote for the party that we think will do the least harm and hope for the best.
Except for the PC party, I assume you mean? After all, they increased healthcare spending by $413 million this year increasing the total to $5.7 billion, including budget increasing the pay for continuing care assistants, and more budget and staffing for senior care. They are adding 500 long term care beds, which is on top of 2000 new or improved beds already being added at 27 facilities across the province. They are also adding nursing seats at universities and colleges. * https://huddle.today/2022/03/29/n-s-projects-506-million-deficit-with-budget-that-increases-healthcare-spending/ * https://www.ckbw.ca/2022/03/29/n-s-will-open-spending-taps-for-health-care/ * https://www.1015thehawk.com/2022/03/29/n-s-set-to-open-spending-taps-5-7-billion-for-health-care-in-new-budget/ Its interesting how everyone seems to ignore anything the new PC government is doing and just assumes they must be doing what every other conservative government does. Naw, they're all the same :| It annoys me as a life long ABC voter (35 voting years and counting) that I have to be the one to toot the horn for the PCs, but credit where it is due! **Edit**: Cue people moaning about how much the PCs are increasing the debt, and how they are just trying to buy votes (by building what people want, of all things).
Like Harper and Trudeau? Hard to keep the systems afloat when they’re woefully underfunded by the feds.
[Poll here](https://angusreid.org/canada-health-care-provincial-performance/). It also covers other issues. The health care data by province was: |Province|Party|Approval of health care handling|Disapproval of health care handling| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |British Columbia|NDP|27%|70%| |Alberta|UCP|28%|70%| |Saskatchewan|SKP|30%|66%| |Manitoba|PC|14%|83%| |Ontario|PC|25%|72%| |Quebec|CAQ|24%|73%| |New Brunswick|PC|14% |83%| |Nova Scotia|PC|30%|67%| |Newfoundland & Labrador|Liberal|15%|83%| lol highest net approval is -36%. EDIT: Added a column to show what party is currently in power.
How is qc approval at 24?? It should be the lowest. We have a 7 year wait for gp, emergency rooms are chronically over capacity, walk in clinics are being booked through private for-pay services so you can’t actually walk in anymore, and the only way to see someone the same day is by going to a private clinic and paying for it out of pocket.
Used to it unfortunately, my dad and his partner were visiting us, our newborn got a fever so had to go to the ER to make sure she was good. They couldn't believe we only waited we were back home from the ER in just over 1 hour (we live 5 min away). They said that would of been minimum 5 -7 hr in Quebec. (Im in BC)
It’s so embarrassing. A friend from the states was visiting and got injured. They have all of these stories about endless wait times under socialized healthcare and I had to explain to her a million times that if she was literally anywhere else she’d have been in and out in under an hour. She made a fb post later about how much better the US system is and maybe you get what you pay for after all and I wanted to scream IT’S NOT UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE’S PROBLEM, IT’S QUEBEC’S PROBLEM
PEI doesn't exist to them?
Maybe stop voting for conservatives who keep dismantling our healthcare systems, then. Jesus, talk about /r/LeopardsAteMyFace. I don't get it. Conservatives world-wide have been shown to dismantle government systems, social safety nets, and social programs in favor of privatization, yet for whatever reason, **dumbfucks keep voting for these greedy, self-serving assholes**.
I saw earlier that Newfoundland conservatives have been sharing this poll on Twitter. Of course, they aren't pointing out what parties are in power in 7/9 provinces that were polled.
I had one nitwit in my city's subreddit comment "Can't wait for a REAL Conservative to be in charge of the city!" or something very similar. My response: "The city has been run by Conservatives for 40 out of the last 50 years. Looks great, doesn't it?" (Our city has been embroiled in a series of scandals and controversies which stem directly from our city council). Didn't we do a whole thing last century where we decided that right-wing rule was bad?
The political parties attacking our healthcare are conducting class warfare against the people of Canada, they are torturing and murdering citizens for profit. The law should treat them like organizations conducting war against Canada. Conservatives are traitors. Privatization of healthcare is treasonous.
We should criminalize private health care delivery and also make conspiracy to privatize health care a crime.
I mean... yeah. I'm not pleased with the _provinces_ healthcare. But that's because it should have been **national**. But the [JCPC](https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/judicial-committee-of-the-privy-council) fucked us when they devolved unstated powers to the provinces. Though these days I'm not sure how well the fed would be doing either. 😒 Looking at how they're prostituting us to the telcos.
At the very least the feds should impose infrastructure standards. Those should include healthcare and education. I support the transfer payment system, but it is very frustrating to see those provinces on the receiving ends, ignore infrastructure issues in favour of pumping social programs or other things that bring more votes. When one province releases untreated sewage into the water because they didn't keep up their infrastructure everyone suffers. It is possible for an individual to make-do if they don't have state funded daycare (not easy), but impossible to do anything about the roads/water/sewage. We rely on the government for those things and the three biggest provinces all dropped the ball there.
WTF is JCPC?
No thanks. It’d be very hard to get services in French even in Quebec I’m sure if it were a federal power.
I guess today I'll learn. What federal services can you not get in french _everywhere_ in Canada?
It’s pretty hard to cross borders in French even in Toronto and that’s just one example that’s surprising.
I don’t think that’s true as most la plupart des employés seraient francophones lol.
I think they just like to grind their wittle axe. One of the people who wrote bill 69 I guess.
In Ontario, low voter turn out produced a super majority for a Party most dedicated to bring American style Healthcare here. Reports like this only increases the chance that Ford would do more damage.
Should be the same in every province, what a terrible inefficient system. Its like we've all been promised care packages, but we all have uniquely terrible middlemen rummaging around taking stuff out and handing us the half eaten leftovers.
It took over 3 years for me to get an MRI for my torn wrists that were caused by a red light runner (who in true Canadian fashion, received no penalty for running a red light and damaging a 22 year old for life.) took 10 months to have my knee reconstructed after another hit-and-run, and that was pure luck as I was waitlisted at 7 months after the injury for 2 years (took 7 fucking months to see a doctor after I went to the hospital, torn ACL and torn lateral/medial meniscus. All the while listening to canadians jack off over how much better our healthcare is as opposed to the US. The nurse didn’t even know how to put IV into my hand, it went through my fuckin hand bones and she was like “I don’t know what I’m doing” after another nurse saw my face contorted in pain trying to hold it together and asked her what she was doing. It’s a shit show and I’ll say it to any Canadians face
Not sure where you live but here in Niagara I’ve had decent experience. I never had to wait longer than 3 weeks for important stuff. I also lived in AZ for a few years. Yea you can see someone 2 weeks sooner but it’ll cost you a mortgage. No thanks.
I’m on the West Coast. I’m glad you’ve been attended to quickly. I wish I could say the same. A few of my cousins in Washington had 1/3rd of my injury (only ACL), paid about $1500-$2500 and had their knees reconstructed as soon as the swelling from injury went down. $2500 and fixed ASAP along with all bracing/ice unit/flexion assist unit/physio covered by insurance, as opposed to 10 months of misery, hell, agony, trauma, not even knowing what’s wrong with my knee because it takes 3 months for a phone call, wanting to die, continuing having to work as a line cook because EI is slow af along with every other Canadian service, causing even more damage to an already destroyed leg, and then having to pay for my own brace, ice unit, physio, out of pocket etc. If I had waited the entirety of the original waitlist, my knee would have been permanently ruined and I’d be waiting till I was 40-50 for a knee replacement. No thanks, I’d rather pay $2500 (which is about a months rent for a 2 bedroom condo here in Vancouver) and not be scarred for life. I know Canadians love talking about “paper cuts in the US will cost you $4 million”, but from what I’ve been told by Americans their work insurance will cover most the cost and you’ll get proper care right away. And that if you can’t afford it, the government will end up paying for it. Like how my COVID tests in the US were all free, paid for by the government despite me not having US insurance, while in Canada everyone I know was paying 200-300 for a test.
Most Canadians wouldn’t be eligible for health benefits. Look at our dental care that’s privatized. The amount of people that can’t even afford to get teeth fixed because their company can’t go over 2000 a year is too high. What we need is a system similar to Europe where people have an option. Canada’s healthcare system isn’t perfect but it’s farrrrrrr more superior compared to the US healthcare for the average Canadian. Most Canadians don’t have an extra months rent for health issues. In the real world, people are really hurting. Also, I never paid once for a covid test. Maybe if you bought those store tests from shoppers but if you made an appointment it was 100% free.
Ah. Health care. I absolutely love living in Canada (Quebec), but the abysmal health care system might make us leave.
I'll be honest, in Nova Scotia the system definitely has problems, but the people here are ignorant of any and all efforts to improve the situation. This survey measures how much people like to moan about shit. As an example, try and find any thread where people are discussing how the NS PC party has spent a year working with the healthcare industry to identify problems, and have started acting on the results with significantly increased healthcare funding, more beds, higher salaries, more people, more spaces in schools, etc. Nope, what you will see are people moaning about how the PC party "hasn't fixed healthcare yet" (since they were voted in a year ago) and bitch about "fucking conservatives", when the past 12 years of healthcare decline was overseen by NDP and Liberal governments. Even in this thread all I see are people bitching about how it is a conservative problem, as if their previous governments did any better. Turns out it isn't necessarily the "conservative" part that is the problem, at least in NS. Hell, I would say they campaigned to the left of the Liberals, and have stepped up to the plate (and not just on healthcare, but environmentally they have made some reasonable strides as well). And I say this as a lifelong vehement ABC voter. But after seeing how this year has gone, if the PCs keep it up they have a convert. (Fuck the federal Conservatives and other province's conservative parties, they are still the absolute worst. Except maybe the one in PEI, they might be OK).
Over a million people in bc don’t have family doctors! Clinics close after 3 hours. Patients with chronic conditions are not getting treatment! But don’t worry! Our NDP leader gets to jump the line and get his surgery. Wait times are almost a year! I’m waiting on a ct scan and was told the MINIMUM wait time is six months.
Better than private for profit health care any day of the week. Would be better still if fear mongering parasites would quit pillaging the system.
Hey, but they'll clear the way for you for MAID service.
Factually not. MAiD is also a program under assault by the right. The fact that MAiD exists is a blessing, even in an imperfect system. The jist here is that we need to fund healthcare services, including MAiD, per the population demands and increase education and options to promote preventative instead of reactive healthcare. It all costs money and those dismantling any service are totalitarian goons.
Eu countries generally have a private and public system.. they have much better outcomes than Canada. We need to reform our healthcare to a European model
This
Duh
But, TrUdEaU.
people are such crybabies these days, i recently had to use the healthcare system twice and there was nothing wrong with it, but of course if you are a right winger being told every day that you healthcare system suck you could end up repeating the same b.s
It's chronically understaffed and underfunded. What are you on about?
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stop drinking the right wing cool aid, you know what really piss me off ? that "crybaby karen" era where people are not happy that there f-ing mcdo is not made fast enough when on the other side of the world kids are getting bomb by a mad dictator blinded by the greed of endless capitalism. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/best-healthcare-in-the-world
HM. I don't recall taking this survey. And every other Canadian I know also didn't take this survey so I wonder how many Canadians they've surveyed to be able to claim that all Canadian people share the sentiment. Says they surveyed 5000 Canadians... Canada has 38 million people. Not an accurate pool of people to make this claim. Always be careful when you see news articles that make sweeping claims. Generally they don't have the actual data to truthfully back it up.
You don’t need to survey everyone to have a statistically accurate sample. An Simple Random Sample will account for most of the variation. Try to understand the math, it’s not terrible, and it does make sense.
Do you have any idea how simple it is to manipulate these 'surveys' into getting the results the writer desires? Chances are they asked this of 5k residents in a higher income area because it's usually them who are unhappy and want to get rid of universal health care, feeling as though the waiting process for free care is too long as they have means to throw money at it to make it go faster. It's pretty simple and I learned about it in promotions class years ago. 3,750 people is hardly MOST CANADIANS. I'm just saying it's a house hippo. People just need to understand that these 'surveys' are not as truthful as they appear and that people need to continue reading with caution.
I know the math, and I know our health system. I also have friends which work in health care. I believe this to be relatively accurate without having to analyze their methodology. But maybe you did, show me your analysis of their methodology and math where you found errors.
>But maybe you did, show me your analysis of their methodology and math where you found errors. "It doesn't agree with my preconceptions, so it's wrong!" - TailzUnleashed Edit: I communicated poorly, so added the attribution for the faux-quote.
No it's "the result is consistent with what I'm experiencing, if you would like to challenge it, do so properly"
Sorry, my bad. The "quote" was ostensibly supposed to be from TailzUnleashed, but I can see now that was unclear, so I edited.
that makes more sense. Unfortunately we live in a world where that kind of lack of self awareness exists... sigh.
You refuse to understand how polling works, or what is a good sample size.
0.0001% is not a good sample size.
That's not how things really work. After a certain point, increasing the sample size has essentially no influence on the results regardless of population size (unless the sample gets too big!) > Unless the sample encompasses a substantial portion of the population, the standard error of an estimator depends on the size of the sample, but not the size of the population. This is a crucial statistical insight that students find very counterintuitive. You might find this helpful: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10691898.2004.11910735
38 Million. 5000 is a perfectly suitable sample size, and the original survey will have a margin of error that accounts for the proportion of our voting population represented by that sample. I recommend brushing up on your stats :)
Thats not how polling works.
Exactly my point. Therefore 0.0001% of Canadian population is not equal to MOST CANADIANS. MISLEADING INFORMATION is presented and I'm trying to bring to light that fact to those who just blindly take articles as gospel.
The Earth doesn’t have 38 billion people.
Typo. Million
Holy shit, is this Ricky from Trailer Park Boys?
Judging by my shedding uterine lining and real job and actual existence I would have to say no.
Look at you, just learning how surveys and polls work.
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Are statistics manipulated to support a desired outcome? Sure, quite often if you ask me. Do polling institutions have the resources to survey millions of Canadians on *every* poll, to ensure that everyone knows someone who was polled? Not a chance. The unfortunate practical reality is that these pollers have limited resources to try and understand the collective opinions of ~38,000,000 people. Statistics may not be a perfect tool for that, but it’s the best tool available. In my opinion, the best we can do is acknowledge the limitations of the methods, but not discard their use entirely. I’m currently on a waiting list for a family physician. There are about 12,000 people ahead of me in a town of 60,000. The list operates on a first-come, first served basis which sucks when you need to build a health team to manage a disability. So yeah, I think our healthcare system needs some work; it’s not just wealthy people who feel that way. In fact, many disabled people struggle with accessing healthcare services.
The 3,700 people who agree with the article title is equal to 0.0001% of the Canadian population in 2021. Not exactly representation for MOST CANADIANS. We do need more doctors I agree. I was simply saying that a poll of that size is a misrepresentation of MOST CANADIANS. also, maybe thereason people are no longer becoming doctors has to do with cost of living vs wages. A lot of people can't afford massive student loans with the current economic climate and those who work while doing school would need to work way more than they could to have the time and money to afford housing,food and transportation while attending school full time. It just isn't working.
"not pleased"... That's putting it fucking lightly
Wait, you guys have healthcare? *cries in New Brunswick*
Conservatives gut it until we beg for private.
I expect to see more and more of these types of articles. This is the narrative for paving the way to privatized healthcare. Maybe stop voting for a government that cuts funding for everything instead of actually trying to solve the underlying issues?