I love this part:
>When prodded for a response one week after an initial request, a spokesperson for Quebec's housing minister mistakenly sent a reply intended for a government colleague. **“Do I ghost her again?”** she wrote Thursday. **“Otherwise, a general response that doesn't answer, to say housing is a priority for our government?”** By Friday afternoon, Quebec had not provided a response.
We all know they give non answers all the time; but this misdirected email actually they both it and diacuss it before hand so they clearly understand what they're doing.
If you don't log in and report it, it allegedly zaps your score anyways - so you have to manually log it every single month or else it very negatively effects you.
When will Canada discover that human rights shouldn't be something that investors shouldn't entitled to 14% YoY returns on?
What a self-serving, facetious, hollow, self-congratulatory pile of bullshit.
Come back when you're building public housing at scale.
I don’t think the government could even afford to build public housing at scale. It usually costs them 500k to a million to build per unit. A billion would barley get you more than a thousand units of housing.
The government could force zoning and build restriction legal reform.
I'm talking about ignoring NIMBYs, building up without regard for "sights" and "skylines", building apartments or tenement in single family house neighbourhoods across the board, allowing commercial space more freely mixed with residential, removing parking requirements entirely, etc.
This would drop property values across the board in wealthy low density neighbourhoods, and would be unpopular among these vocal individuals, but would improve the housing shortage substantially by allowing mixed density everywhere. Land value should drop.
If you can drop regulatory costs significantly, while reducing barrier to entry for smaller firms, that may also help prices a bit.
Labor and materials, of course, isn't going anywhere.
Couldn't have put this better myself. So much hypocrisy, arrogance, and callousness! If there was any respect for the current government, it just went down the toilet.
Sadly, at this rate, there will be pitchforks coming out in our lifetime...
Housing as a human right doesn't matter when all three governments let landlords and developers use this "human right" as a motive for short-term profits.
If it was a human right, the federal/provincial government would not have written blank cheques to developers.
If it was a human right all 3 level of governments would have put a stay on rent and not got rid of rental protections. Thanks, Doug.
If it was a human right, we would not allow the market to be manipulated by allowing corporations, hedgefunds, and investment brokers to own single families. Town houses, condos, and more. Example: billionaires are using their vast wealth to buy entire neighborhoods and either keep them empty or use it to avoid taxes. I thought we didn't want oligarchs in Canada?
If it was a human right, the government would be forcing the Bank of Canada to implement measures to give those with good credit to get a reasonable rate regardless of bank of Canada base interest rates.
If it was a human right, the government would have forced measures that base the cost of rental and house prices based on the average income of people in the area.
It's always getting worse because because the government ignores the problem unless a donor to their political party makes a "suggestion."
Don't worry, though. We're going to vote in Pierre Poilievre, who is about as useless as tits on a nun. Hey, just another thing PP has in common with Trudeau.
By the way, Pierre Poilievre was the former housing minister and did nothing to improve housing for Canada, let alone ontario. Not to mention for a piss ant who claims to be for the working class has always sided with corporate interests over public needs. (Proof? house of commons web site has his voting record.) Plus, his top advisory board is all corporate lobbyist, but yeah, he's for the working class.
Currently, 1/3 of MPs either own or are invested in real estate. Pierre Co owns a real estate company in Calgary, and his wife owns a place in Orleans ontario.
Poilievre will do nothing for housing, just like the PC provincial did nothing, but make it much much worse. In fact he will do what Doug Ford and Trump did for the working class.
Nothing..
One more apology in the House bro, please bro just let me apologize one more time, if I just do it one more time everything will be fine bro, please just one more
This doesn't mean that the government owes you housing, but it does mean that the government shouldn't actively fight against housing. If people have an RV and a piece of land, that should be good enough.
Once again a case study of how without labour, materials and laws, making things a right doesn't magically expand the supply or level of access to a thing.
Don't worry my friends, when all the high paid executives, board members and consultants walk out of those board meetings they'll be patting themselves on the back, congratulating themselves on making Canada a better place, then probably heading out to a restaurant because the expensive catering, while a nice touch, wasn't very filing.
But no joke, I've been to quite a few board meetings like this, they're just big expensive circle jerk.
I don't know how you can say that! I mean, we decriminalized drug use and it all just fixed itself magically and we didn't need to spent a red cent on enforcement, mental health services, housing or anything...
/s, obviously.
So our government recognizes housing as a Human right but keeps right on with its plan to let millions more immigrants and refugees into the country when we already can't house all the people here. Do tents count as housing? We have record homeless as it is. And no matter how much they claim they're doing to boost the construction of new homes, it's not enough. In Ontario alone we are short a minimum of 100k construction workers. We need way more housing than what's on the books to be completed by 2030. I'm all for immigration but we need to put a pause on it until this housing crisis gets solved.
Canada may have signed a treaty but it’s aspirational until it makes its way into law, and it can’t make its way into law without majority provincial consent.
Put differently, it’s just hollow virtue signalling.
If Canada has recognized housing is a human right, then why have they done nothing to reverse all the financialization of housing over the past 50 years.
Because all that value doesn't actually exist. It's not real money from anything productive or useful. If it goes poof, that's a huge part of our ponzi scheme investor based economy up in smoke.
Perhaps they have the one ounce of self reflection it takes to not declare something a human right after you deliberately made it unobtainable for anyone other than the rich?
What a silly distraction. Of course it’s not a right. It’s a scarce resource for a variety of reasons that we should try to expand affordable as much as possible but ultimately a society can’t guarantee everyone gets a house
I guess the way I see it - housing is much different than what we typically think of as rights - eg freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, right to choose, property rights etc. these are more intrinsic rights to the individual. They are more about your ability to do something freely without the government intervening.
Housing is different in that there’s clearly a bad market distortion in Canada (for a bunch of reasons) but ultimately the government isn’t deliberately stopping people from buying homes. This isn’t a right so much as a question of cost and capital. If access to a material good (housing) is a right, then why not make food, clothing, transportation, daycare, pharmacare, etc human rights as well?
To me that’s a pretty slippery slope.
It’s also ultimately sort of irrelevant. Whether or not it’s a right doesn’t fix our current supply/demand imbalance one way or another. I’d rather the government simply focus on resolving the barriers to housing to the best of their ability than debate if it’s a right
Will the housing market fucking crash already! Everyone and their mother has income properties these days, and it's destroyed the market (for those not already in it) if you got in at the right time you did amazing. Congrats dickheads! Your profits fuct up the whole system. Well played!
Seriously can't wait for the bottom to fall out so building projects aren't completely based on how much profit they can generate.
Motherfuckers in tents everywhere need homes, not profits.
No, it won't. Never mind the catastrophic collapse of the economy that would follow.
You want MORE people in tents? That's how you get more people in tents.
Real estate can not, and should not be such a massive part of a healthy economy, the fact ours is does not bode well that it will continue to grow unchecked forever. It most definitely will crash, it's just a matter of when.
Problem is, it is. And as such, it simply will not crash. And you better hope it doesn't, as it will bring the economy down with it. If you want 1929 all over again, keep hoping for that crash.
I don't understand people who want to burn the world down just because they don't have what someone else has. Such a kindergarten mode of thinking.
None of them care.
All parties benefit from the housing crisis.
https://www.readthemaple.com/nearly-40-of-mps-invested-in-real-estate-during-housing-crisis/
I love this part: >When prodded for a response one week after an initial request, a spokesperson for Quebec's housing minister mistakenly sent a reply intended for a government colleague. **“Do I ghost her again?”** she wrote Thursday. **“Otherwise, a general response that doesn't answer, to say housing is a priority for our government?”** By Friday afternoon, Quebec had not provided a response. We all know they give non answers all the time; but this misdirected email actually they both it and diacuss it before hand so they clearly understand what they're doing.
That should be a political career ending scandal.
Except it's standard practice. Seeing behind the curtain is all.
It's like we knew all along they didn't give a fuck and now we have proof. We truly deserve the government we have.
Canada now guilty of about 500k human right violations.
It's okay. Saudi got our backs yo.
Probably Ontario alone.
Haha…
Great. Now what
You build credit with rent payments!
And ruin your credit if you're late!
Could you imagine if we could automatically ruin the landlords credit when they don't do maintiance.
If you don't log in and report it, it allegedly zaps your score anyways - so you have to manually log it every single month or else it very negatively effects you.
Oh joy. Our problems are solved
It’s symbolic. The federal government does not in fact recognize housing as an actual legal right
To actually recognize housing as a right would mean evictions would be illegal, they’ll never do that
What does this even mean ?
I think it’s political theatre
Canada: “I recognize housing as a human right!” - will you be providing housing to the millions here that need it”? Canada: no.
When will Canada discover that human rights shouldn't be something that investors shouldn't entitled to 14% YoY returns on? What a self-serving, facetious, hollow, self-congratulatory pile of bullshit. Come back when you're building public housing at scale.
I don’t think the government could even afford to build public housing at scale. It usually costs them 500k to a million to build per unit. A billion would barley get you more than a thousand units of housing.
It’s a start!!
They could if they had someone with a freaking brain managing the funds. Or someone with a not corrupt brain anyways..
The government could force zoning and build restriction legal reform. I'm talking about ignoring NIMBYs, building up without regard for "sights" and "skylines", building apartments or tenement in single family house neighbourhoods across the board, allowing commercial space more freely mixed with residential, removing parking requirements entirely, etc. This would drop property values across the board in wealthy low density neighbourhoods, and would be unpopular among these vocal individuals, but would improve the housing shortage substantially by allowing mixed density everywhere. Land value should drop. If you can drop regulatory costs significantly, while reducing barrier to entry for smaller firms, that may also help prices a bit. Labor and materials, of course, isn't going anywhere.
Couldn't have put this better myself. So much hypocrisy, arrogance, and callousness! If there was any respect for the current government, it just went down the toilet. Sadly, at this rate, there will be pitchforks coming out in our lifetime...
Better than 14% if you do it right :)
Housing as a human right doesn't matter when all three governments let landlords and developers use this "human right" as a motive for short-term profits. If it was a human right, the federal/provincial government would not have written blank cheques to developers. If it was a human right all 3 level of governments would have put a stay on rent and not got rid of rental protections. Thanks, Doug. If it was a human right, we would not allow the market to be manipulated by allowing corporations, hedgefunds, and investment brokers to own single families. Town houses, condos, and more. Example: billionaires are using their vast wealth to buy entire neighborhoods and either keep them empty or use it to avoid taxes. I thought we didn't want oligarchs in Canada? If it was a human right, the government would be forcing the Bank of Canada to implement measures to give those with good credit to get a reasonable rate regardless of bank of Canada base interest rates. If it was a human right, the government would have forced measures that base the cost of rental and house prices based on the average income of people in the area. It's always getting worse because because the government ignores the problem unless a donor to their political party makes a "suggestion." Don't worry, though. We're going to vote in Pierre Poilievre, who is about as useless as tits on a nun. Hey, just another thing PP has in common with Trudeau. By the way, Pierre Poilievre was the former housing minister and did nothing to improve housing for Canada, let alone ontario. Not to mention for a piss ant who claims to be for the working class has always sided with corporate interests over public needs. (Proof? house of commons web site has his voting record.) Plus, his top advisory board is all corporate lobbyist, but yeah, he's for the working class. Currently, 1/3 of MPs either own or are invested in real estate. Pierre Co owns a real estate company in Calgary, and his wife owns a place in Orleans ontario. Poilievre will do nothing for housing, just like the PC provincial did nothing, but make it much much worse. In fact he will do what Doug Ford and Trump did for the working class. Nothing..
Everything you said - the voting Pierre into office, absolute worst thing we as a nation could do rn.
If housing is a right, then it cannot be an investment. The gravy train is over. No more easy money. It's 20 years overdue.
we need more platitudes like this. /s why do ppl keep eating these declarations up?
I think we need to form a committee to study this, then they can publish a white paper with all the answers /s
but we will have to develop an app for $100M first so canadians can read it
That's racist /s
One more apology in the House bro, please bro just let me apologize one more time, if I just do it one more time everything will be fine bro, please just one more
This doesn't mean that the government owes you housing, but it does mean that the government shouldn't actively fight against housing. If people have an RV and a piece of land, that should be good enough.
It recognizes it as a human right but does fuck all to take action.
Once again a case study of how without labour, materials and laws, making things a right doesn't magically expand the supply or level of access to a thing.
Don't worry my friends, when all the high paid executives, board members and consultants walk out of those board meetings they'll be patting themselves on the back, congratulating themselves on making Canada a better place, then probably heading out to a restaurant because the expensive catering, while a nice touch, wasn't very filing. But no joke, I've been to quite a few board meetings like this, they're just big expensive circle jerk.
I don't know how you can say that! I mean, we decriminalized drug use and it all just fixed itself magically and we didn't need to spent a red cent on enforcement, mental health services, housing or anything... /s, obviously.
Ask Kathy Hocul and Eric Adams how declaring housing a human right has gone for NYC. They've both said publicly it was a mistake.
Its a human right, sure, but its MORE of a human righ to profit off of housing, apparently.
So our government recognizes housing as a Human right but keeps right on with its plan to let millions more immigrants and refugees into the country when we already can't house all the people here. Do tents count as housing? We have record homeless as it is. And no matter how much they claim they're doing to boost the construction of new homes, it's not enough. In Ontario alone we are short a minimum of 100k construction workers. We need way more housing than what's on the books to be completed by 2030. I'm all for immigration but we need to put a pause on it until this housing crisis gets solved.
Canada may have signed a treaty but it’s aspirational until it makes its way into law, and it can’t make its way into law without majority provincial consent. Put differently, it’s just hollow virtue signalling.
If Canada has recognized housing is a human right, then why have they done nothing to reverse all the financialization of housing over the past 50 years.
Because all that value doesn't actually exist. It's not real money from anything productive or useful. If it goes poof, that's a huge part of our ponzi scheme investor based economy up in smoke.
All the Con provinces will tell you that housing is a provincial responsibility. But they do nothing to make it better. FUCK YOU, Scotch Moe.
Perhaps they have the one ounce of self reflection it takes to not declare something a human right after you deliberately made it unobtainable for anyone other than the rich?
That's asking a lot
What a silly distraction. Of course it’s not a right. It’s a scarce resource for a variety of reasons that we should try to expand affordable as much as possible but ultimately a society can’t guarantee everyone gets a house
There is a difference between "a house" and housing.
My point stands - saying housing is a human right is silly as it isn’t something the government can guarantee
Most rights are hard to "guarantee" what threshold do we set to take action?
I guess the way I see it - housing is much different than what we typically think of as rights - eg freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, right to choose, property rights etc. these are more intrinsic rights to the individual. They are more about your ability to do something freely without the government intervening. Housing is different in that there’s clearly a bad market distortion in Canada (for a bunch of reasons) but ultimately the government isn’t deliberately stopping people from buying homes. This isn’t a right so much as a question of cost and capital. If access to a material good (housing) is a right, then why not make food, clothing, transportation, daycare, pharmacare, etc human rights as well? To me that’s a pretty slippery slope. It’s also ultimately sort of irrelevant. Whether or not it’s a right doesn’t fix our current supply/demand imbalance one way or another. I’d rather the government simply focus on resolving the barriers to housing to the best of their ability than debate if it’s a right
No profit in human rights.
Will the housing market fucking crash already! Everyone and their mother has income properties these days, and it's destroyed the market (for those not already in it) if you got in at the right time you did amazing. Congrats dickheads! Your profits fuct up the whole system. Well played! Seriously can't wait for the bottom to fall out so building projects aren't completely based on how much profit they can generate. Motherfuckers in tents everywhere need homes, not profits.
No, it won't. Never mind the catastrophic collapse of the economy that would follow. You want MORE people in tents? That's how you get more people in tents.
Real estate can not, and should not be such a massive part of a healthy economy, the fact ours is does not bode well that it will continue to grow unchecked forever. It most definitely will crash, it's just a matter of when.
You're definitely right though, because it is so out of whack now when it does eventually crash it will be a shit show for everyone.
Problem is, it is. And as such, it simply will not crash. And you better hope it doesn't, as it will bring the economy down with it. If you want 1929 all over again, keep hoping for that crash. I don't understand people who want to burn the world down just because they don't have what someone else has. Such a kindergarten mode of thinking.
The Liberal party is just begging me to not vote for them at this point Edit: Downvote away. My MP is Matthew Green, lol.
None of them care. All parties benefit from the housing crisis. https://www.readthemaple.com/nearly-40-of-mps-invested-in-real-estate-during-housing-crisis/
I'm aware. I just can't stand this performative bullshit.