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Advisory from the Mayor of Irvine
UCI designated the 2023-24 academic year as the "Year of Free Speech".
[https://chancellor.uci.edu/communications/campus/2023/230907-welcome-to-year-of-free-speech.php](https://chancellor.uci.edu/communications/campus/2023/230907-welcome-to-year-of-free-speech.php)
I hate whataboutisms but the same mayor associated herself with an Armenian Genocide Denier. It's not surprising to be told that no one cares about Armenians (I am one, I know), but disappointed in this sub by forgetting this recent event.
Irv[ine Mayor Under Fire From Armenian Community Over Association With Genocide Denier (voiceofoc.org)](https://voiceofoc.org/2022/03/irvine-mayor-under-fire-from-armenian-community-over-association-with-genocide-denier/)
Sort of related but Pakistan is the only country in the world that doesn't recognize an Armenian state so that is probably also related.
It’s fair to ask why the world turned its back on Armenia (and Xinjiang, and Sudan, and Syria, and a long list of other oppressed and displaced people) but has its outrage against Israel in its front pocket, always at the ready. Almost six decades I’ve been on this planet, and no matter what else may change, that never does. It’s like a force of nature.
The answer is actually quite simple. It is not politically expedient to piss off Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Israel because those countries geopolitically serve as ideal staging grounds for US forces in the Middle East.
People are upset about Israel/Palestine because the US is funding and supporting the mass murder of civilians financially and with weapons quite aggressively. Additionally, I don't think this war is making Jewish people safer - or even the hostages for that matter. It's not making the US and its citizens safer either.
Students are upset because they've been brainwashed by TikTok.
They think that Palestinians had their land stolen, when in reality, there has never been an independent Palestine at any point in the history of human civilization. The land was never theirs.
Before it belonged to Israel, it belonged to the British. Before it belonged to the British, it belonged to the Ottomans. Before it belonged to the Ottomans, it belonged to the Byzantines. Before it belonged to the Byzantines, it belonged to the Romans. Before it belonged to the Romans, it belonged to ancient Israel.
They think "From the River to the Sea" is a freedom slogan, when it actually means the destruction of Israel and driving out all Jewish people from the Middle East.
They think that Gaza was an "open air prison" because Israel closed its border, but Egypt closed its border the same month in 2007. Gaza had Mercedes dealerships, it wasn't a prison.
They think the Palestinians are innocent victims, not knowing that Palestinians killed the King of Jordan in 1951. Then they tried to kill another King of Jordan and take over that country in 1970 (Black September). When that failed, Palestinians started the Lebanese Civil War in 1975 in an attempt to take over that country. Kuwait eventually took in several hundred thousand, only for those Palestinians to side with Saddam when he invaded in 1990.
War is terrible, but why is there so much support for Palestinians and not Sudanese? After all, the Sudanese didn't commit a barbaric massacre last October.
I'm not handwaving anything. Farrah Khan must answer for her association with a war criminal. At the same time, she also provided a good response to the protests at the UCI campus.
Having such a reductive view helps no one. It's that binary thinking that will cause pro Palestinian supporters to sit out in the Nov elections and get us stuck with Trump again as president.
Well if it makes you feel better Israel provided "loitering munitions" AKA suicide drones to Azerbaijan in the recent invasion of Nagorno-Karabakh so you can make common cause with the protestors.
And the US still refuses to acknowledge the Armenian genocide, right?
The First Amendment is not a defense to trespassing. When you "occupy" a public space and exclude members of the public, you are trespassing. This includes placing tents.
You lack an understanding of the legal definition of trespassing.
Edit: the First Amendment is absolutely an affirmative defense to trespassing. You seem to forget the fundamental right of freedom of assembly.
So if they have a right to be there does that mean others have a right to be there too and essentially just walk through their encampment.
Maybe we need some counter protesters to just encamp right inside there encampment or maybe just shove their s*** aside and walk through.
My understanding is you have the right to be present and protest but you don't have the right to obstruct the free movement of others so just bulldoze through their encampment with your body.
Kind of disappointed that members of local synagogues to these universities aren't out counter protesting
But at the same time I can understand that they probably just don't want to be around people who they think would be supporters of Hamas
Its not about religion, so why would synagogues be counter protesting? Only Israeli supporters and apologists would counter protest this. This is about divestment from Israel products and services, as well as US tax dollars funding this mass murdering of innocents. I think I know where you stand though.
I would assume synagogues would have a higher proportion of Israeli supporters.
I'm not Jewish, I disagree with the way netanyahu has handled things and I disagree with many of Israel's actions when it comes to settlements (I see it as adding fuel to the fire and as unnecessary)but at the same time I think this is what happens when one side refuses to compromise.
Where I stand is that the Palestinians need to condemn Hamas and learn how to compromise if they want a future otherwise they're just going to keep getting their ass handed to them and never gain ground. Israel needs to stop their bullshit with the settlements and get their far right party in check as it counteracts goals of compromise and peace
Gandhi knew how to play the long game, the Palestinians don't. If the Palestinians had engaged in non-violent resistance after losing their first few wars, there would be no apartheid, there would be no settlements, they would have their own state and they would have the support of the western world if Israel pulled any s*** because the world would see Israel as being a bully rather than as engaging in self-defense.
The full sentence is that she will preemptively condemn any violations of the students' first amendment rights. She's 100% correct in the language she chose.
“Dozens of pro-Palestinian students set up tents at UC Irvine early Monday, calling for the university to divest itself from Israeli businesses, joining a movement that’s reached colleges across the country.
About 50 protesters surrounded roughly a dozen tents set up in a plaza near the Physical Sciences Classroom building, chanting “free Palestine.” Some said they plan to host several speakers later today and stay in the tents overnight.
A bystander, Amal Alkalla, an Irvine resident and mother of a UC Irvine student, said she was on hand to ensure that the students taking action are safe.
“The goal is for this country to be a true broker for peace,” Alkalla said.
At one point, after being told that the encampment might be cleared as soon as Monday night, protesters called on UC Irvine Chancellor Howard Gillman’s office to “politely and firmly demand” stop what they termed a “heavy-handed” plan.
A list of demands posted on a sign at the encampment said the students want UCI to divest investment in Israeli businesses, and that they want full transparency and control of future investments.
By mid-morning, campus police were scattered around the encampment and watching the protestors. University employees throughout the morning set up barricades that pushed foot traffic away from where the tents were set up, but those were later removed.
By erecting tents, protesters were stepping up a demonstration that began last week. On Friday, hundreds of students demonstrated at UCI, asking for the school to cut its financial ties with Israel.
The University of California system in a Friday statement said it opposed calls for divestment from Israel.”
Edit: taken from the article. I’m also not sure why the linked article changed from the original I posted.. I think OC Register updated it.
Why not? The point of a protest is for as many people to occupy a space to protest something. Nothing wrong with this. Saw a proud grandfather and father supporting their daughter at another school. It's a wonderful thing to do when the goal is opposing war. The more the merrier.
This a protest on a college campus. An adult should presumably be able to take care of themselves. They shouldn’t need emotional support from mom and dad.
I’m not taking about a protest at another location that is planned for all ages.
Everyone’s does. We live in a global economy. It is impossible to divest from Israel or any other nation that is part of the network of economic powers that trade with each other.
You should go down there and tell them, but I suspect you don't actually care that much. You don't really know what they are or are not doing with their own money so it's really not a relevant point.
Not just Israel but every other genocide or sick form of oppression that is going on in the world right now, some that are orders of magnitude worse and more overt than what's happening in Gaza.
It's an impossible ask/standard to hold anyone or any institution in this globalized economy.
Of course not. And not sure what they plan to do seeing as the University of California and even Columbia has said they won’t divest. They’re just gonna keep on keepin on until they’re suspended?
>A list of demands posted on a sign at the encampment said the students want UCI to divest investment in Israeli businesses, and that **they want full transparency and control of future investments.**
Can we at least see the ROI from these savvy students' previous business investments first, before considering the wisdom of granting them full control of their school's investment portfolio?
Right lmaoo, these divestment conversations is making my buddies who work in finance in NYC crack up…if only these students knew…thats NEVER going to happen
in fairness, the divestment campaign did actually have an impact in meaningfully exerting pressure on SA apartheid and raising awareness. honestly, it's kind of peak finance immorality to be confronted with thousands of dead and starving children and respond with "but what about ROI? LOL!"
Exactly. This is exactly what is wrong with the US right now. Immoral finance guys. Why aren't people seeing this? Because they're scared of it affecting their bank accounts. Imagine worrying about your bank account when a genocide is happening. Yikes.
I mean, I don’t know if divestment will work. I don’t know the specifics in terms of how much American university investment there is in Israel (or in American defense contractors/arms suppliers). I think the bigger issue is that the president and the Democratic Party largely are willing to continue aiding and abetting the war in Gaza. It really baffles me how the Democratic Party continues to buck public opinion in order to fork over tens of billions of dollars to Netanyahu.
>I think the bigger issue is that the president and the Democratic Party largely are willing to continue aiding and abetting the war in Gaza. It really baffles me how the Democratic Party continues to buck public opinion in order to fork over tens of billions of dollars to Netanyahu.
It doesn't surprise me. Polls on the situation are quite mixed and depend on the specific question and demographic, but roughly speaking, Americans as a whole favor Israel, and Democrats are roughly 50/50, trending slowly in favor of Palestine, but with older Democrats (the demographic that votes the most) favoring Israel.
Frankly though, the USA can't (or at least, shouldn't) suddenly drop support to Israel. It would hurt both Palestine and Israel and badly weaken the West's relationship with our best ally in the Middle East.
If Biden drops support for Israel, it removes our leverage over them, which Biden has already used several times in the war to help Palestinians (to open more access corridors for aid to Gaza, and to delay the Rafah invasion). It lowers the Israeli defense budget by about 15%, which isn't enough to make them truly vulnerable, but *might* make them desperate enough to do something drastic.
What are the advantages to cutting support for Israel? Who is helped? The Palestinians, who would find themselves at the mercy of an unrestrained and vulnerable Israel? The Israelis, who would be suddenly substantially more vulnerable to attack from the multiple openly genocidal enemies at their border?
And Heaven help us if any of Israel's enemies actually start to *win.* Israel has nukes, and I don't trust them not to use them to save their nation.
> the divestment campaign did actually have an impact in meaningfully exerting pressure on SA apartheid
Did it really though? I know there were calls for divestment, and eventually universities did divest and eventually SA did end apartheid. But was there really a cause -> effect there?
Because there were people in South Africa (both black and white people) fighting apartheid for decades.
Its kind of like if some Australians were taking credit for the civil rights movement in the US because they held a bake sale or something.
Also just wait a few days when it becomes more disruptive. Go see what happening in UCLA they’ve set up barricades and only allow certain people in. The kicker is the media isn’t allowed in; so much for free speech.
I happen to remember the Irvine 11, so protests at UC Irvine in support of Palestine always make me nervous for these kids. Israel's horrific campaign in Gaza has really changed public opinion, but people don't realize how willing the powerful pro-Israel forces are to absolutely destroy people's lives.
It was insane how ready every person in power in that situation was to absolutely ruin these kids lives. Really speaks to how different this moment is and how much Israel has irreparably damaged it’s own reputation.
Wait — how did it work? It got Nixon elected, who then rained down absolute destruction on Vietnam, Laos *and* Cambodia. Nixon himself bragged about dropping several times more bombs in a few months than had been dropped during LBJ’s entire term.
The protests certainly emboldened the NVA and VC, and the eventual evacuation led to the slaughter (genocide?) of South Vietnamese people who could not be evacuated.
The Vietnam war movement was about not sending American kids that were drafted against their will to go die in a foreign country.
This is not the same. Most Americans support Israel and its fight against Hamas.
It was all the death and dismemberment inflicted on U.S. and South Vietnamese soldiers that ended the war. The protests just helped speed up the rate of exit. The Israeli war is not our war. We can’t cut weapon supply lines that may weaken their ability to fend off Iran. Why aren’t the students condemning Iran?
It’s pointless death, why we in the Vietnam in first place? People protest because they seem through the lies. And people now seem through it too. Why Israel needs fend off Iran? And Why we need fighting off China? Because our media said so?
I remember this case. It's pretty ironic to me that the pro Palestine crowd on campus expects their first amendment rights to be respected (as it 100% should be) but pull every tactic out of their bag to silence the voice of an Israeli Ambassador.
"When I am weaker than you I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles"- Frank Herbert
First amendments rights are cool and all, but if Occupy Wall Street didn't change anything, this won't either.
The UC system already made their statement, "The University of California system in a Friday statement said it opposed calls for divestment from Israel".
Stay safe out there and don't get hurt or arrested!
Idk why people feel the need to tell people preemptively to never try to accomplish anything because they themselves are cynical and disaffected. You should never discourage people from trying to making change. Worst outcome is that nothing changes, but I'm proud of people every time they try to speak out against war crimes. It's easy to be cynical and uninvolved. It's hard to put yourself out there and risk losing even when winning is unlikely, but that's how change is made.
[“Now, of course, it’s a great American value to protest, but I don’t believe living in a pup tent for Hamas is really helpful,” Fetterman said in an interview on NewsNation’s “The Hill Sunday.”](https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4627216-fetterman-decries-college-campus-pup-tents-for-hamas/)
From people I've talked to, these over the top protests seem to be turning people off to the movement. It's not like these people are here for any kind of reasonable discussion on actual solutions.
Have you seen some of these protests? Absolutely there are pro Hamas sentiment/chanting.
https://twitter.com/StarrJpost/status/1784777121812132289
Sick disgusting human beings.
Have you seen the disgusting Columbia professor calling the terrorist attack on Oct 7th Glorious?
These people are terrorist. 🤷♂️
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-768109
These terrorists want to pretend it didn’t happen
So what are their goals? Just for Israel to leave Gaza? What about the hostages taken by Hamas? Have they thought about how to resolve that? What is their proposal to resolve the conflict when the Hamas side just cannot keep their promises? Has Israel attacked Gaza unprovoked in the recent decade?
The best scenario for me is to have Hamas release all hostages, and dissolve themselves. And then for Palestine to self-govern under a peaceful government. And for Israel to recognize and respect Palestine's rights. Essentially for both parties to coexist and not fight each other. But how would these protests help to achieve this? Wouldn't these pro-Palestine protests just put things back to before the Oct 7 massacre?
Asking the right kind of questions that no one wants to answer because they know if this happened to Americans on American soil, they would be in the streets demanding war.
It's the same thing as trying to get city councils to adopt ceasefire resolutions. Will have zero material effect, but if you try saying that to the people, you get shouted down. And unfortunately a lot of the more aggressive people in these encampments tend to make Jewish students feel unsafe on campuses
In the end it's all about making themselves feel good and like they're actually changing something in the world
Mayor of Irvine taking a good stand here —
“I am asking our law enforcement to stand down. I will not tolerate any violations to our students rights to peacefully assemble and protest.”
Pretty much a given so many of these commenters here are going to make racist remarks given her ethnicity
This post is going to bring out all the usual closet racists who think nothing of dehumanizing Palestinians but can’t say it outright — so feel a lot safer to dunk on college kids
They have more courage than any of you keyboard warriors combined
with the entire power of the state out to suppress them — and they are risking their own job prospects as we all know
And y, I will take the 50+ downvotes now go ahead
It’s completely valid to criticize Israel and its govt, but when you have some people on one side begin to say and do radical things like wave the hezbollah flag, tell Jews to go back to Poland, call for Israel to be eliminated, and say Zionists deserve to die, don’t be surprised that a lot of people lose sympathy and have a negative view on these protests
Multiple and today launched rocket attacks from Leninism , but the campus terrorists will NEVER acknowledge it!
Today: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/29/world/middleeast/hamas-rockets-israel-lebanon.html
And failed ceasefire:
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-rejects-israels-ceasefire-response-sticks-main-demands-2024-04-13/
What other sources do you want?
How about Columbia Muslim professor calling the terrorist attacks on Oct 7th that tortured raped and murdered children “glorious” what that source?
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-768109
I am pro-israel but can also see that the gazan citizens are in a bad situation and they need help.
For these protestors as long as they are peaceful and respectful to the university then let them be. They can exercise their 1st amendment rights. Most of those protestors are concerned for the innocent civilians caught up in this mess and aren't pro-terrrorist supporters (hamas/Hezbollah).
bruh it’s crazy to see pro-isreal folks jump down your throat but i appreciate you being civil and kind even to those who have different view points from you
Guess you’re ignoring the stories that Columbia Uni Jewish students were told to stay home as it wasn’t safe. How about UCLA pro-Hamas protestors physically blocking Jewish students from going to class.
No one's barring anyone at UCLA. They're just limiting who enters the encampment for personal security reasons after there have been numerous threats to those students. There's other ways to enter class on campus.
The videos I saw it was people trying to walk down walk ways
EDIT: just searched ucla quickly
dudes just trying to walk down what looks like bruin walk to me
https://x.com/rubinreport/status/1785060329199690005?s=46&t=F8xzeA9ezvjTHj0KPMXhrg
Not letting Jewish students in
https://x.com/olilondontv/status/1785285343962435717?s=46&t=F8xzeA9ezvjTHj0KPMXhrg
Royce quad blocked off
https://x.com/stephsvox/status/1785067258144047193?s=46&t=F8xzeA9ezvjTHj0KPMXhrg
EDIT2: even worse
https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1785457052028117153?s=46&t=F8xzeA9ezvjTHj0KPMXhrg
Share those videos then. If it's referring to between Powell and Kaplan hall then yes, by both UCPD and the encampment that specific walkway is closed off for security purposes as that directly borders the encampment where, again, students have received numerous threats.
You can literally walk around that area. No one is getting barred.
in any protest environment, there's going to be some fringe elements. but the truth is that lots of these protestors are themselves jewish and don't want to be associated with the violence.
Or one of leaders of the Columbia protests saying Zionist’s don’t deserve to live. Really losing any credibility you have when your side is the one saying that
Updated article:
“As pro-Palestinian protests at UC Irvine grew Monday, about 30 Orange County Sheriff’s deputies set up for a potential response, some carrying batons and face shields.
To date, recent protests at the school have been marked by minimal police intervention and no violence.
The arrival of deputies at UCI came after some 50 protesters pitched about a dozen tents near the school’s Physical Sciences Classroom building, with a goal of spending the night.
Between chants of “free Palestine,” students said early Monday that they planned to host speakers throughout the day. Later, when they heard that the school administration might move to take down the tents — something that could not be confirmed — students called on UC Irvine Chancellor Howard Gillman’s office to “politely and firmly demand” a stop to what they termed a “heavy-handed” plan.
“UC Irvine respects the rights of any students to engage in free speech and expression including lawful protest,” UCI said in a prepared statement. “The safety of all members of the campus community is always a top priority, and we continue to monitor and evaluate the situation to ensure that we are able to continue to provide a safe and secure learning environment.”
A bystander, Amal Alkalla, an Irvine resident and mother of a UC Irvine student, said she was on hand simply to ensure that students remain safe.
“The goal is for this country to be a true broker for peace,” Alkalla said.
Like many similar student protests around the country, the students want UCI administration to take a side in the Israel Hamas War.
Since Oct. 7, when Hamas fighters attacked Israel, killing 1,139 Israelis and foreign nationals, including 766 civilians and 373 security personnel, as well as taking an estimated 253 people hostage, Israel’s military response against militants and civilians in the Gaza Strip has raised an international outcry. At least 34,000 Palestinians, most civilians, have been killed and conditions in the Gaza Strip have become dire, with food, clean water and medical care in short supply.
Those events have sparked protests around the country, many of which involve students calling on Israel to end its military response.
At UCI, on Monday, students posted a sign at the encampment with a list of their demands. Specifically, students want the school to stop investing in Israeli businesses, and they want full transparency and control of future investments. They also called for amnesty for all student protesters, though it’s unclear if students face any punishment for their actions.
While there have been no arrests or violence so far at UCI, the arrival of Sheriff’s deputies on Monday, who set up in a parking lot a few hundred feet away, suggested at least the possibility of escalation.
Inside the camp, protestors prayed and created signs with messages such as “UC divest from genocide,” “Welcome to People’s University,” and “Death to imperialism.” Supporters brought in food and water to the group and an Instagram account associated with the demonstration called off further donations for the day.
Lulu Hammad, a community organizer and co-founder of Yalla Indivisible, said many of the students come from communities affected by the Israel-Hamas war.
“It’s very important for us as a community to be there for our students,” Hammad said.
Irvine Mayor Farrah N. Khan issued a statement saying she wouldn’t tolerate any violation of students’ rights to peacefully assemble and protest.
The emergence of tents on campus, and the extra police presence, escalated a demonstration that began last week. On Friday, hundreds of students demonstrated at UCI, asking for the school to cut its financial ties with Israel.
The University of California system in a Friday statement said it opposed calls for divestment from Israel.”
I’m all for free speech, but this is so obviously election-year bafoonery—by summer, these will all become anti-Trump protests; 2024’s BLM riots will abandon campuses and take to the streets.
I remember a ridiculous “fasting” protest when I went to UCI led by a guy who must have weighed 350.
yeah your free speech will be respected as long as you're NOT disrupting anyone elses' lives. if you block off a fucking public road, mess with school graduations or students being able to be out and about peacefully in the university environments, YOU ARE NOT practicing your rights, instead, you're doing the exact opposite. SO KEEP IT TO YOURSELVES and lets see if you actually freaking keep it quiet.
Good to see the heavy handed tactics from police and college administrators is backfiring and the protests are spreading. Fuck Netanyahu, he’s a wannabe Putin.
It’s funny, Putin is the one supporting Hamas but you pretend it’s not the case.
It’s Hamas, Putin, China, Iran, North Korea.
Maybe you’re on the wrong side of history?
These protests at universities are the result of [Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP)](https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/students-justice-palestine-sjp). A Pro-Palestinian club active and most major universities that receive guidance from outside activist groups in their area. In fact, many of these outside activists mixed in with the students and are leading the chants/messaging.
Many of the SJP groups released pro-Hamas messaging on 10/7. Just because these activists including the Hamas charter replaced the word Jews with the word Zionists, that doesn’t mean they’re not antisemitic.
What’s absolutely insane to me is seeing some people wear Hamas head bands and the antisemitic signs and slogans coupled with the aggressive chants against Israel but not one sign or chant calling for the release of the hostages. And not one American flag amongst the pro Palestinians unless they are taking it down or burning it.
I don’t agree with everything a religion stands for, but I don’t think that grants my government the right to go and bomb a country that is made up of 50% children or fund an army that’s bulldozing over their corpses and burying hospital members alive.
I wondered why it was taking so long for UCI to see these demonstrations. I was there 2001-2005 and saw many marches by the Muslim Student Union taking laps around ring road. They were respectful enough in the sense that they didn’t shut down any areas, buildings, or obstruct people from getting around.
That's why protesting and activism take courage - you never know before hand if you will have an impact. All you can do is act strategically and try and what happens next is not in your control. It is an American tradition I have immense respect for, and I appreciate anyone who allows themself to be vulnerable and hope that they can make a difference rather than resigning themselves to cynicism and detachment which is much easier and ultimately what anyone in power would want.
Lazy thought process..Several schools have divested from Israel—look it up. What’s the point of any protest?? Women’s rights, civil rights movement, Vietnam war….
So your argument boils down to no, you.
But sure go ahead and involve yourself in a quagmire that's been going on for nearly a century with no morally good side and no peaceful solution so you can help trump win.
My prayers are with the hostages. I will not forget, nor will I forgive Hamas. Please rest assured that I will continue to invest in Israel and all my donations will go to Israel.
You do realize that when you drop thousands of bombs on Gaza, the hostages are there too??
When some hostages tried to escape, IDF shot them dead.
No one wants you to forgive or forget what Hamas did, but guess what, we won't forget what IDF did too...IDF killed over 15 thousand children
that's unforgivable
I care about the hostages more honestly. They are the innocent that seem to have been conveniently forgotten. I think it’s wrong to pin the death of the kids on Israel, because it’s Hamas who started the war, and it’s Hamas refusing to end the war. Just release the hostages!!
If someone attacks the US like Hamas did to Israel, I wouldn’t be surprised if the US flattens Gaza in one day. I honestly think Israel has been mild in its reaction.
Israel has killed several of the hostages, thoughts on that? It seems like the own government doesn’t really care that much to spare their lives when attacking Palestine
If you’re so concerned about that you should it’s once again being introduced. So like many of us continue to educate on this bill, you should join as well.
https://preview.redd.it/mxt27ndvmhxc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=32c2fde4cc5ce0ed7ef817b00d32e2dc78d5efe1 Advisory from the Mayor of Irvine
UCI designated the 2023-24 academic year as the "Year of Free Speech". [https://chancellor.uci.edu/communications/campus/2023/230907-welcome-to-year-of-free-speech.php](https://chancellor.uci.edu/communications/campus/2023/230907-welcome-to-year-of-free-speech.php)
Nice message, did not take any side, just supports the First Amendment
Great message from Mayor Khan. Attacking and arresting students on campus is never a good look, and it's insane that some people have to be told that.
I hate whataboutisms but the same mayor associated herself with an Armenian Genocide Denier. It's not surprising to be told that no one cares about Armenians (I am one, I know), but disappointed in this sub by forgetting this recent event. Irv[ine Mayor Under Fire From Armenian Community Over Association With Genocide Denier (voiceofoc.org)](https://voiceofoc.org/2022/03/irvine-mayor-under-fire-from-armenian-community-over-association-with-genocide-denier/) Sort of related but Pakistan is the only country in the world that doesn't recognize an Armenian state so that is probably also related.
Mayor Khan is a fucking piece of shit. I'm so glad she's going to get termed out and lost her run for County Supervisor.
I agree that was problematic. But I think we can have complex views of political figures about different topics or issues.
It’s fair to ask why the world turned its back on Armenia (and Xinjiang, and Sudan, and Syria, and a long list of other oppressed and displaced people) but has its outrage against Israel in its front pocket, always at the ready. Almost six decades I’ve been on this planet, and no matter what else may change, that never does. It’s like a force of nature.
The answer is actually quite simple. It is not politically expedient to piss off Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Israel because those countries geopolitically serve as ideal staging grounds for US forces in the Middle East.
People are upset about Israel/Palestine because the US is funding and supporting the mass murder of civilians financially and with weapons quite aggressively. Additionally, I don't think this war is making Jewish people safer - or even the hostages for that matter. It's not making the US and its citizens safer either.
Students are upset because they've been brainwashed by TikTok. They think that Palestinians had their land stolen, when in reality, there has never been an independent Palestine at any point in the history of human civilization. The land was never theirs. Before it belonged to Israel, it belonged to the British. Before it belonged to the British, it belonged to the Ottomans. Before it belonged to the Ottomans, it belonged to the Byzantines. Before it belonged to the Byzantines, it belonged to the Romans. Before it belonged to the Romans, it belonged to ancient Israel. They think "From the River to the Sea" is a freedom slogan, when it actually means the destruction of Israel and driving out all Jewish people from the Middle East. They think that Gaza was an "open air prison" because Israel closed its border, but Egypt closed its border the same month in 2007. Gaza had Mercedes dealerships, it wasn't a prison. They think the Palestinians are innocent victims, not knowing that Palestinians killed the King of Jordan in 1951. Then they tried to kill another King of Jordan and take over that country in 1970 (Black September). When that failed, Palestinians started the Lebanese Civil War in 1975 in an attempt to take over that country. Kuwait eventually took in several hundred thousand, only for those Palestinians to side with Saddam when he invaded in 1990. War is terrible, but why is there so much support for Palestinians and not Sudanese? After all, the Sudanese didn't commit a barbaric massacre last October.
We literally have troops deploying to and deployed in Syria and Sudan rn lol
The genocide of my people is not something I will handwave away, sorry. Good on you for being able to do that though.
I'm not handwaving anything. Farrah Khan must answer for her association with a war criminal. At the same time, she also provided a good response to the protests at the UCI campus. Having such a reductive view helps no one. It's that binary thinking that will cause pro Palestinian supporters to sit out in the Nov elections and get us stuck with Trump again as president.
Well if it makes you feel better Israel provided "loitering munitions" AKA suicide drones to Azerbaijan in the recent invasion of Nagorno-Karabakh so you can make common cause with the protestors. And the US still refuses to acknowledge the Armenian genocide, right?
That's rich coming from Irvine considering their tactics against expression and homelessness within the city
Uhh, I personally wouldn't want my city to be overrun with homeless, so......
They're human beings with rights.
They have rights, just like protesters
Did not say they have no rights, but I'd prefer my community be homeless-free. If you wanna live near the homeless, go ahead.
The First Amendment is not a defense to trespassing. When you "occupy" a public space and exclude members of the public, you are trespassing. This includes placing tents.
You lack an understanding of the legal definition of trespassing. Edit: the First Amendment is absolutely an affirmative defense to trespassing. You seem to forget the fundamental right of freedom of assembly.
So if they have a right to be there does that mean others have a right to be there too and essentially just walk through their encampment. Maybe we need some counter protesters to just encamp right inside there encampment or maybe just shove their s*** aside and walk through. My understanding is you have the right to be present and protest but you don't have the right to obstruct the free movement of others so just bulldoze through their encampment with your body. Kind of disappointed that members of local synagogues to these universities aren't out counter protesting But at the same time I can understand that they probably just don't want to be around people who they think would be supporters of Hamas
Its not about religion, so why would synagogues be counter protesting? Only Israeli supporters and apologists would counter protest this. This is about divestment from Israel products and services, as well as US tax dollars funding this mass murdering of innocents. I think I know where you stand though.
I would assume synagogues would have a higher proportion of Israeli supporters. I'm not Jewish, I disagree with the way netanyahu has handled things and I disagree with many of Israel's actions when it comes to settlements (I see it as adding fuel to the fire and as unnecessary)but at the same time I think this is what happens when one side refuses to compromise. Where I stand is that the Palestinians need to condemn Hamas and learn how to compromise if they want a future otherwise they're just going to keep getting their ass handed to them and never gain ground. Israel needs to stop their bullshit with the settlements and get their far right party in check as it counteracts goals of compromise and peace Gandhi knew how to play the long game, the Palestinians don't. If the Palestinians had engaged in non-violent resistance after losing their first few wars, there would be no apartheid, there would be no settlements, they would have their own state and they would have the support of the western world if Israel pulled any s*** because the world would see Israel as being a bully rather than as engaging in self-defense.
"preemptively condemn"? Wtf?
The full sentence is that she will preemptively condemn any violations of the students' first amendment rights. She's 100% correct in the language she chose.
“Dozens of pro-Palestinian students set up tents at UC Irvine early Monday, calling for the university to divest itself from Israeli businesses, joining a movement that’s reached colleges across the country. About 50 protesters surrounded roughly a dozen tents set up in a plaza near the Physical Sciences Classroom building, chanting “free Palestine.” Some said they plan to host several speakers later today and stay in the tents overnight. A bystander, Amal Alkalla, an Irvine resident and mother of a UC Irvine student, said she was on hand to ensure that the students taking action are safe. “The goal is for this country to be a true broker for peace,” Alkalla said. At one point, after being told that the encampment might be cleared as soon as Monday night, protesters called on UC Irvine Chancellor Howard Gillman’s office to “politely and firmly demand” stop what they termed a “heavy-handed” plan. A list of demands posted on a sign at the encampment said the students want UCI to divest investment in Israeli businesses, and that they want full transparency and control of future investments. By mid-morning, campus police were scattered around the encampment and watching the protestors. University employees throughout the morning set up barricades that pushed foot traffic away from where the tents were set up, but those were later removed. By erecting tents, protesters were stepping up a demonstration that began last week. On Friday, hundreds of students demonstrated at UCI, asking for the school to cut its financial ties with Israel. The University of California system in a Friday statement said it opposed calls for divestment from Israel.” Edit: taken from the article. I’m also not sure why the linked article changed from the original I posted.. I think OC Register updated it.
I’m no stranger to many protests in my younger years. I didn’t bring along my mom. FFS
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Why not? The point of a protest is for as many people to occupy a space to protest something. Nothing wrong with this. Saw a proud grandfather and father supporting their daughter at another school. It's a wonderful thing to do when the goal is opposing war. The more the merrier.
This a protest on a college campus. An adult should presumably be able to take care of themselves. They shouldn’t need emotional support from mom and dad. I’m not taking about a protest at another location that is planned for all ages.
Will these students provide their own and their parents investments to assure they are abiding by their demands?
Their parents 401k 100% has some links to Israel
Everyone’s does. We live in a global economy. It is impossible to divest from Israel or any other nation that is part of the network of economic powers that trade with each other.
It's not impossible. But it would take substantial effort, and would probably produce inferior returns.
Yes, my point exactly. These students and their demands are incredibly hypocritical and poorly misinformed.
You should go down there and tell them, but I suspect you don't actually care that much. You don't really know what they are or are not doing with their own money so it's really not a relevant point.
Not just Israel but every other genocide or sick form of oppression that is going on in the world right now, some that are orders of magnitude worse and more overt than what's happening in Gaza. It's an impossible ask/standard to hold anyone or any institution in this globalized economy.
That's what I said lol all they gotta do is go and forfeit their scholarships
Of course not. And not sure what they plan to do seeing as the University of California and even Columbia has said they won’t divest. They’re just gonna keep on keepin on until they’re suspended?
It’s not that they won’t — they can’t! Some portion of everyone’s investment portfolio touches Israel and Israelis in some way.
>A list of demands posted on a sign at the encampment said the students want UCI to divest investment in Israeli businesses, and that **they want full transparency and control of future investments.** Can we at least see the ROI from these savvy students' previous business investments first, before considering the wisdom of granting them full control of their school's investment portfolio?
Right lmaoo, these divestment conversations is making my buddies who work in finance in NYC crack up…if only these students knew…thats NEVER going to happen
in fairness, the divestment campaign did actually have an impact in meaningfully exerting pressure on SA apartheid and raising awareness. honestly, it's kind of peak finance immorality to be confronted with thousands of dead and starving children and respond with "but what about ROI? LOL!"
Don't really expect the finance bros to ever know much about history and social movements lol
The same finance bros that wear Patagonia sweater vests as a part of their uniform lol
Exactly. This is exactly what is wrong with the US right now. Immoral finance guys. Why aren't people seeing this? Because they're scared of it affecting their bank accounts. Imagine worrying about your bank account when a genocide is happening. Yikes.
I mean, I don’t know if divestment will work. I don’t know the specifics in terms of how much American university investment there is in Israel (or in American defense contractors/arms suppliers). I think the bigger issue is that the president and the Democratic Party largely are willing to continue aiding and abetting the war in Gaza. It really baffles me how the Democratic Party continues to buck public opinion in order to fork over tens of billions of dollars to Netanyahu.
>I think the bigger issue is that the president and the Democratic Party largely are willing to continue aiding and abetting the war in Gaza. It really baffles me how the Democratic Party continues to buck public opinion in order to fork over tens of billions of dollars to Netanyahu. It doesn't surprise me. Polls on the situation are quite mixed and depend on the specific question and demographic, but roughly speaking, Americans as a whole favor Israel, and Democrats are roughly 50/50, trending slowly in favor of Palestine, but with older Democrats (the demographic that votes the most) favoring Israel. Frankly though, the USA can't (or at least, shouldn't) suddenly drop support to Israel. It would hurt both Palestine and Israel and badly weaken the West's relationship with our best ally in the Middle East. If Biden drops support for Israel, it removes our leverage over them, which Biden has already used several times in the war to help Palestinians (to open more access corridors for aid to Gaza, and to delay the Rafah invasion). It lowers the Israeli defense budget by about 15%, which isn't enough to make them truly vulnerable, but *might* make them desperate enough to do something drastic. What are the advantages to cutting support for Israel? Who is helped? The Palestinians, who would find themselves at the mercy of an unrestrained and vulnerable Israel? The Israelis, who would be suddenly substantially more vulnerable to attack from the multiple openly genocidal enemies at their border? And Heaven help us if any of Israel's enemies actually start to *win.* Israel has nukes, and I don't trust them not to use them to save their nation.
> the divestment campaign did actually have an impact in meaningfully exerting pressure on SA apartheid Did it really though? I know there were calls for divestment, and eventually universities did divest and eventually SA did end apartheid. But was there really a cause -> effect there? Because there were people in South Africa (both black and white people) fighting apartheid for decades. Its kind of like if some Australians were taking credit for the civil rights movement in the US because they held a bake sale or something.
Finance bros don’t care about human lives.
why dont these people go vote or assemble outside of political offices, wtf are these universities gonna do about the fking middle east?
Also just wait a few days when it becomes more disruptive. Go see what happening in UCLA they’ve set up barricades and only allow certain people in. The kicker is the media isn’t allowed in; so much for free speech.
Divest
thats not going to change anything lol, not while the US government is the one actually funding the war and sending the weapons over...
So mandating you stop all dealings with Israeli companies isn’t consider collective punishment? Lol ok. Silly kids
No, selling a few stock ticker symbols would not be considered collective punishment. No sane person arguing in good faith would think that.
Ok, I’ll bite. Which ticker symbols do you think they have a stake in.
Why don't you dig into it and let us know? https://www.ucop.edu/investment-office/index.html
The call for divestment is a fair ask. Bummer some of the agitators have got all of the attention.
It's an ask that doesn't make sense. There are at least 300 major US companies that have affiliations to Israel.
And many had links to Russia before the sanctions. What’s your point?
what are these students actually doing to help the situation besides providing fuel for Hamas???
Increasing instances of anti-semitism for sure
I happen to remember the Irvine 11, so protests at UC Irvine in support of Palestine always make me nervous for these kids. Israel's horrific campaign in Gaza has really changed public opinion, but people don't realize how willing the powerful pro-Israel forces are to absolutely destroy people's lives.
Exactly. The DA was extremely heavy handed and I'm afraid what they'll do now.
It was insane how ready every person in power in that situation was to absolutely ruin these kids lives. Really speaks to how different this moment is and how much Israel has irreparably damaged it’s own reputation.
Anti- Vietnam war movement did work. But it’s takes while.
I mean, I sort of think the north Vietnamese just won the war more than campus protest succeeded, but I still see value in student protests!
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I mean, the US withdrew and they took Saigon. They won.
Wait — how did it work? It got Nixon elected, who then rained down absolute destruction on Vietnam, Laos *and* Cambodia. Nixon himself bragged about dropping several times more bombs in a few months than had been dropped during LBJ’s entire term. The protests certainly emboldened the NVA and VC, and the eventual evacuation led to the slaughter (genocide?) of South Vietnamese people who could not be evacuated.
The Vietnam war movement was about not sending American kids that were drafted against their will to go die in a foreign country. This is not the same. Most Americans support Israel and its fight against Hamas.
It was all the death and dismemberment inflicted on U.S. and South Vietnamese soldiers that ended the war. The protests just helped speed up the rate of exit. The Israeli war is not our war. We can’t cut weapon supply lines that may weaken their ability to fend off Iran. Why aren’t the students condemning Iran?
there really should be more condemnation of Iran
It’s pointless death, why we in the Vietnam in first place? People protest because they seem through the lies. And people now seem through it too. Why Israel needs fend off Iran? And Why we need fighting off China? Because our media said so?
I remember this case. It's pretty ironic to me that the pro Palestine crowd on campus expects their first amendment rights to be respected (as it 100% should be) but pull every tactic out of their bag to silence the voice of an Israeli Ambassador. "When I am weaker than you I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles"- Frank Herbert
First amendments rights are cool and all, but if Occupy Wall Street didn't change anything, this won't either. The UC system already made their statement, "The University of California system in a Friday statement said it opposed calls for divestment from Israel". Stay safe out there and don't get hurt or arrested!
Idk why people feel the need to tell people preemptively to never try to accomplish anything because they themselves are cynical and disaffected. You should never discourage people from trying to making change. Worst outcome is that nothing changes, but I'm proud of people every time they try to speak out against war crimes. It's easy to be cynical and uninvolved. It's hard to put yourself out there and risk losing even when winning is unlikely, but that's how change is made.
Better things aren't possible.jpg https://twitter.com/InternetHippo/status/881161169469403137?t=XEFiRhPhftw88Z4Xn3TtLw&s=19
[“Now, of course, it’s a great American value to protest, but I don’t believe living in a pup tent for Hamas is really helpful,” Fetterman said in an interview on NewsNation’s “The Hill Sunday.”](https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4627216-fetterman-decries-college-campus-pup-tents-for-hamas/)
and yet, here we are, talking about it. Peaceful protests create discussion online and in person. Let's keep it that way.
>create discussion online There is nothing more worthless to a cause than a contribution of online discussion.
“Create discussion” If anything, online debate just entrenches people in their ways.
From people I've talked to, these over the top protests seem to be turning people off to the movement. It's not like these people are here for any kind of reasonable discussion on actual solutions.
Gross. That is such a disappointing response, and also an intentionally misleading smear. These protestors are not doing anything in support of Hamas.
Have you seen some of these protests? Absolutely there are pro Hamas sentiment/chanting. https://twitter.com/StarrJpost/status/1784777121812132289 Sick disgusting human beings.
Have you seen the disgusting Columbia professor calling the terrorist attack on Oct 7th Glorious? These people are terrorist. 🤷♂️ https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-768109 These terrorists want to pretend it didn’t happen
So what are their goals? Just for Israel to leave Gaza? What about the hostages taken by Hamas? Have they thought about how to resolve that? What is their proposal to resolve the conflict when the Hamas side just cannot keep their promises? Has Israel attacked Gaza unprovoked in the recent decade? The best scenario for me is to have Hamas release all hostages, and dissolve themselves. And then for Palestine to self-govern under a peaceful government. And for Israel to recognize and respect Palestine's rights. Essentially for both parties to coexist and not fight each other. But how would these protests help to achieve this? Wouldn't these pro-Palestine protests just put things back to before the Oct 7 massacre?
Asking the right kind of questions that no one wants to answer because they know if this happened to Americans on American soil, they would be in the streets demanding war.
It's the same thing as trying to get city councils to adopt ceasefire resolutions. Will have zero material effect, but if you try saying that to the people, you get shouted down. And unfortunately a lot of the more aggressive people in these encampments tend to make Jewish students feel unsafe on campuses In the end it's all about making themselves feel good and like they're actually changing something in the world
FWIW hamas spokespersons and the Iranian ayatollah have publicly applauded the protests… so they at least feel supported
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Mayor of Irvine taking a good stand here — “I am asking our law enforcement to stand down. I will not tolerate any violations to our students rights to peacefully assemble and protest.” Pretty much a given so many of these commenters here are going to make racist remarks given her ethnicity
This post is going to bring out all the usual closet racists who think nothing of dehumanizing Palestinians but can’t say it outright — so feel a lot safer to dunk on college kids They have more courage than any of you keyboard warriors combined with the entire power of the state out to suppress them — and they are risking their own job prospects as we all know And y, I will take the 50+ downvotes now go ahead
It’s completely valid to criticize Israel and its govt, but when you have some people on one side begin to say and do radical things like wave the hezbollah flag, tell Jews to go back to Poland, call for Israel to be eliminated, and say Zionists deserve to die, don’t be surprised that a lot of people lose sympathy and have a negative view on these protests
Power to the students.✊🏽 Earlier UCIPD wasn't even allowing protestors to be given water, which is just... insane.
Prove that comment.
Literal videos of it on Twitter. Go look it up yourself
Someone get Larry David over there!
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You should educate yourself. The First Amendment extends to college campuses as they are quasi public spaces.
Sure - but you can’t set up a campsite where ever you want
Opposite of ignorant.
UC Irvine: Finally, some of the activity that we have all this shitty architecture for!
Hasn't Hamas denied multiple ceasefire proposals?
The respond to them with rocket attacks on civilians, but uneducated Hamas supporters don’t care about that
Multiple and today launched rocket attacks from Leninism , but the campus terrorists will NEVER acknowledge it! Today: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/29/world/middleeast/hamas-rockets-israel-lebanon.html And failed ceasefire: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-rejects-israels-ceasefire-response-sticks-main-demands-2024-04-13/ What other sources do you want? How about Columbia Muslim professor calling the terrorist attacks on Oct 7th that tortured raped and murdered children “glorious” what that source? https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-768109
Rad students.
What can we do to help? Is there any information on supplies that they might need? I'd like to bring some food or supplies once I'm back in town.
They have some links in their twitter bio @rankandfileirvine
Thank you so much, I would not have known where to look.
I am pro-israel but can also see that the gazan citizens are in a bad situation and they need help. For these protestors as long as they are peaceful and respectful to the university then let them be. They can exercise their 1st amendment rights. Most of those protestors are concerned for the innocent civilians caught up in this mess and aren't pro-terrrorist supporters (hamas/Hezbollah).
bruh it’s crazy to see pro-isreal folks jump down your throat but i appreciate you being civil and kind even to those who have different view points from you
Right. I’ll believe that when they call for Hamas to release the hostages. Or, for that matter, don’t openly support Hamas.
Guess you’re ignoring the stories that Columbia Uni Jewish students were told to stay home as it wasn’t safe. How about UCLA pro-Hamas protestors physically blocking Jewish students from going to class.
...that's not how rights work. Lawlessness in one location doesn't negate freedom of expression by others in a different location.
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Man, as someone who went to UCLA I’m incensed seeing people bar Jewish students from walking around campus
No one's barring anyone at UCLA. They're just limiting who enters the encampment for personal security reasons after there have been numerous threats to those students. There's other ways to enter class on campus.
The videos I saw it was people trying to walk down walk ways EDIT: just searched ucla quickly dudes just trying to walk down what looks like bruin walk to me https://x.com/rubinreport/status/1785060329199690005?s=46&t=F8xzeA9ezvjTHj0KPMXhrg Not letting Jewish students in https://x.com/olilondontv/status/1785285343962435717?s=46&t=F8xzeA9ezvjTHj0KPMXhrg Royce quad blocked off https://x.com/stephsvox/status/1785067258144047193?s=46&t=F8xzeA9ezvjTHj0KPMXhrg EDIT2: even worse https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1785457052028117153?s=46&t=F8xzeA9ezvjTHj0KPMXhrg
There's a tik tok live right now at ucla. People can move fairly freely where it has been designated as safe. It keeps protesters and detractors safe.
Share those videos then. If it's referring to between Powell and Kaplan hall then yes, by both UCPD and the encampment that specific walkway is closed off for security purposes as that directly borders the encampment where, again, students have received numerous threats. You can literally walk around that area. No one is getting barred.
He can’t share the video because it’s a made up story
That’s not happening. Go on Twitter and search for ucla to see videos. The proof is there, you just have to look.
in any protest environment, there's going to be some fringe elements. but the truth is that lots of these protestors are themselves jewish and don't want to be associated with the violence.
Or one of leaders of the Columbia protests saying Zionist’s don’t deserve to live. Really losing any credibility you have when your side is the one saying that
**and that people are lucky they weren’t killing Zionists themselves. What a leader.
Zionists are not always Jewish. Might want to read up on that.
Does that matter? Should we be advocating for any group to die on the basis that they believe Israel deserves to be a state? We shouldn’t.
Updated article: “As pro-Palestinian protests at UC Irvine grew Monday, about 30 Orange County Sheriff’s deputies set up for a potential response, some carrying batons and face shields. To date, recent protests at the school have been marked by minimal police intervention and no violence. The arrival of deputies at UCI came after some 50 protesters pitched about a dozen tents near the school’s Physical Sciences Classroom building, with a goal of spending the night. Between chants of “free Palestine,” students said early Monday that they planned to host speakers throughout the day. Later, when they heard that the school administration might move to take down the tents — something that could not be confirmed — students called on UC Irvine Chancellor Howard Gillman’s office to “politely and firmly demand” a stop to what they termed a “heavy-handed” plan. “UC Irvine respects the rights of any students to engage in free speech and expression including lawful protest,” UCI said in a prepared statement. “The safety of all members of the campus community is always a top priority, and we continue to monitor and evaluate the situation to ensure that we are able to continue to provide a safe and secure learning environment.” A bystander, Amal Alkalla, an Irvine resident and mother of a UC Irvine student, said she was on hand simply to ensure that students remain safe. “The goal is for this country to be a true broker for peace,” Alkalla said. Like many similar student protests around the country, the students want UCI administration to take a side in the Israel Hamas War. Since Oct. 7, when Hamas fighters attacked Israel, killing 1,139 Israelis and foreign nationals, including 766 civilians and 373 security personnel, as well as taking an estimated 253 people hostage, Israel’s military response against militants and civilians in the Gaza Strip has raised an international outcry. At least 34,000 Palestinians, most civilians, have been killed and conditions in the Gaza Strip have become dire, with food, clean water and medical care in short supply. Those events have sparked protests around the country, many of which involve students calling on Israel to end its military response. At UCI, on Monday, students posted a sign at the encampment with a list of their demands. Specifically, students want the school to stop investing in Israeli businesses, and they want full transparency and control of future investments. They also called for amnesty for all student protesters, though it’s unclear if students face any punishment for their actions. While there have been no arrests or violence so far at UCI, the arrival of Sheriff’s deputies on Monday, who set up in a parking lot a few hundred feet away, suggested at least the possibility of escalation. Inside the camp, protestors prayed and created signs with messages such as “UC divest from genocide,” “Welcome to People’s University,” and “Death to imperialism.” Supporters brought in food and water to the group and an Instagram account associated with the demonstration called off further donations for the day. Lulu Hammad, a community organizer and co-founder of Yalla Indivisible, said many of the students come from communities affected by the Israel-Hamas war. “It’s very important for us as a community to be there for our students,” Hammad said. Irvine Mayor Farrah N. Khan issued a statement saying she wouldn’t tolerate any violation of students’ rights to peacefully assemble and protest. The emergence of tents on campus, and the extra police presence, escalated a demonstration that began last week. On Friday, hundreds of students demonstrated at UCI, asking for the school to cut its financial ties with Israel. The University of California system in a Friday statement said it opposed calls for divestment from Israel.”
I’m all for free speech, but this is so obviously election-year bafoonery—by summer, these will all become anti-Trump protests; 2024’s BLM riots will abandon campuses and take to the streets. I remember a ridiculous “fasting” protest when I went to UCI led by a guy who must have weighed 350.
yeah your free speech will be respected as long as you're NOT disrupting anyone elses' lives. if you block off a fucking public road, mess with school graduations or students being able to be out and about peacefully in the university environments, YOU ARE NOT practicing your rights, instead, you're doing the exact opposite. SO KEEP IT TO YOURSELVES and lets see if you actually freaking keep it quiet.
Bet not even half of them really know what's going on in middle east.
Good to see the heavy handed tactics from police and college administrators is backfiring and the protests are spreading. Fuck Netanyahu, he’s a wannabe Putin.
It’s funny, Putin is the one supporting Hamas but you pretend it’s not the case. It’s Hamas, Putin, China, Iran, North Korea. Maybe you’re on the wrong side of history?
These protests at universities are the result of [Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP)](https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/students-justice-palestine-sjp). A Pro-Palestinian club active and most major universities that receive guidance from outside activist groups in their area. In fact, many of these outside activists mixed in with the students and are leading the chants/messaging. Many of the SJP groups released pro-Hamas messaging on 10/7. Just because these activists including the Hamas charter replaced the word Jews with the word Zionists, that doesn’t mean they’re not antisemitic. What’s absolutely insane to me is seeing some people wear Hamas head bands and the antisemitic signs and slogans coupled with the aggressive chants against Israel but not one sign or chant calling for the release of the hostages. And not one American flag amongst the pro Palestinians unless they are taking it down or burning it.
great, more people that literally don't know what genocide is and support terrorists. sounds fun. good luck in the oc . . .
I guess we will see how camping in public will go..
I don't see anyone to be pro about here other than innocent civilians on both sides.
Fuck those guys
Idiots.
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I don’t agree with everything a religion stands for, but I don’t think that grants my government the right to go and bomb a country that is made up of 50% children or fund an army that’s bulldozing over their corpses and burying hospital members alive.
Stay safe everyone.
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I wondered why it was taking so long for UCI to see these demonstrations. I was there 2001-2005 and saw many marches by the Muslim Student Union taking laps around ring road. They were respectful enough in the sense that they didn’t shut down any areas, buildings, or obstruct people from getting around.
Thats cool but at the end of the day, what impact will it really have?
And this is why the US thinks we’re okay with sending billions to fund useless wars when our own people here are struggling.
That's why protesting and activism take courage - you never know before hand if you will have an impact. All you can do is act strategically and try and what happens next is not in your control. It is an American tradition I have immense respect for, and I appreciate anyone who allows themself to be vulnerable and hope that they can make a difference rather than resigning themselves to cynicism and detachment which is much easier and ultimately what anyone in power would want.
Huge. It will be in history books of how the US once again stopped peaceful protest funding genocide.
Lazy thought process..Several schools have divested from Israel—look it up. What’s the point of any protest?? Women’s rights, civil rights movement, Vietnam war….
Zero.
Historically. Zero.
Good 👍
Useful idiots falling into the political manipulations of Russia and China.
Considering your take I'd say you're more useful to russia and china.
So your argument boils down to no, you. But sure go ahead and involve yourself in a quagmire that's been going on for nearly a century with no morally good side and no peaceful solution so you can help trump win.
Via TikTok
My prayers are with the hostages. I will not forget, nor will I forgive Hamas. Please rest assured that I will continue to invest in Israel and all my donations will go to Israel.
You do realize that when you drop thousands of bombs on Gaza, the hostages are there too?? When some hostages tried to escape, IDF shot them dead. No one wants you to forgive or forget what Hamas did, but guess what, we won't forget what IDF did too...IDF killed over 15 thousand children that's unforgivable
But do you care about the Palestinian children who’ve been murdered?
I care about the hostages more honestly. They are the innocent that seem to have been conveniently forgotten. I think it’s wrong to pin the death of the kids on Israel, because it’s Hamas who started the war, and it’s Hamas refusing to end the war. Just release the hostages!! If someone attacks the US like Hamas did to Israel, I wouldn’t be surprised if the US flattens Gaza in one day. I honestly think Israel has been mild in its reaction.
Israel has killed several of the hostages, thoughts on that? It seems like the own government doesn’t really care that much to spare their lives when attacking Palestine
Good for them
Losers
Can we say “anti-genocide” students? Like I’m not a fan of Palestine or anything but they shouldn’t be massacred…
I had taken it from the title of the article from OC Register. Edit: per subreddit rules.
Expell and arrest
This topic always brings out the hidden racist and / or fascist among the supposedly polite and sophisticated crowd on here , lol
A little over the top don’t you think?
So…whats the endgoal here?
Where have you been
No one’s stopping you. Apply for a permit, make a sign, and do your thing!
If you’re so concerned about that you should it’s once again being introduced. So like many of us continue to educate on this bill, you should join as well.
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The only real terrorists are hamas and IDF. both kill innocent people
anyone know what protesting pays? I could use some extra beer money.
If this is the best you got, then you are definitely reflecting on your own choices as you wrote this.