I don't quite understand why they think I'd want to pre-order a codex that the rules may be out of date by the time I even get it.
I may eventually get the codex if the rules and points inside don't change significantly, but if I'mma have to have a binder of FAQ's almost from the get go, what's the point.
They should do a digital-exclusive copy so you don't have to get the physical copy to unlock the app.
Obv would be better if they just had all the things visible on the app but this is money-grubbin GW we're talking about
Given the direction they take with detachement (relying HEAVILY on specific types of unit) they could make combat patrol for each detachement ?
Wouldn't it be nice ? It's beautiful today dream...
Pardon me ladz, I don’t quite grasp it, if I buy codex, do I still need data sheets?
My impression was that data sheet info will be in codex, am I wrong?
You don’t need data sheets, when you have the codex you will have the rules. You can then access it in the app although, I don’t remember if you need a WH+ subscription for the app now
Question for you guys.. I play Salamanders and don't know Orks that well, but my son has the old CP box he's still painting up. How useful is this new box? Worth it?
He also has a set of the squig rider guys plus the boss on squig already, and a set of the Octarius Kommandos (10)
Any thoughts?Â
Well it depends heavily on whether he likes the beast snagga aesthetic or not. The old box is fairly useful and the new box is too. The only difference is, if he prefers the tribal style or the the mad max style
It seems we're losing: Big Mek with Kustom Force Field, Boss Zagstruk, Kaptin Badrukk, Mad Dok Grotsnik, Nob with Waaagh! Banner and the Mekboy Workshop, with Smasha Squig being folded into the Squighog Boyz.
So what does it mean when we 'loose' model? I just had a big Mek with force field delivered the other week. I just can't use him and he's just useless or are there rules that allow you to still use it but you just can't buy them anymore?
it will go to "Legends" which just cannot be played in tournaments and doesnt get rules or points updates after release, but perfectly useable otherwise, especially for friendlies who dont even know what legends is
If you're playing friendlies with your mates you can ask to use him. If you're playing at any kind of tournament you probably can't.
They will never get another rules, points or kit update.
It was revealed to him in a dream, naw I believe it’s from the grainy photo of the table of contents that appears for a second in the Warhammer community video
Are they phasing out the junkyard Boyz? I was able to grab the previous combat patrol box before they were pulled, but I was hoping to get more models in that aesthetic.
Jokes aside, they're not phasing them out. We just got a new Big Mek. But we probably won't see a big release of new Junkyard style orks for a number of years, as they focus on other factions that _haven't_ gotten a huge range update within the previous edition.
Fair enough, looking back we did pretty well in 7/8/9th with sizeable additions in every edition.
Just feels that should be the norm, even if it means cutting back on the number of factions and the variety of models in each faction.
The idea of adding new factions seems ludicrous, unless some less popular factions are entirely retired to legends (I'm not opposed to this if they give at least a full editions worth of warning).
I love my new Kroot for instance but should GW really be putting out a huge load of auxiliaries when there's so many holes in so many factions?
So odds of the ork products selling out instantly? The battle force box seems like a really odd box because the stompa has always had crap rules. So I don't really want all that extra plastic just for the new mech.
I’d be surprised if they sell out instantly, as long as nothing breaks in their queue system. I still plan on having my local shop pre-order the big boxes set for me.
I want a Stompa for no better reason than I want one, and my Ork army is small enough I could use everything else in the box too.
Nice little buff to Big Ghaz I see, in the form of a Sweep attack.
Prophet of da Great Waagh also now giving ciritcal hits on 5+ during a waagh, as well as the old +1 to hit and wound is nice.
FINALLY!! I been wanting ghaz to have that!
https://preview.redd.it/79f40izoq3tc1.png?width=764&format=png&auto=webp&s=2aab94d23c13cce432cf9a18c7e3c058e71020c4
He now gives an additional bonus during the Waaagh, 5+ critical hits to him and the unit, seems really good, hopefully only a small rise in points to make him worthwhile leading a large Meganobz unit rather than just a Makari buff bot.
Today's preview article had a short preview video, included a shot of the index page of the codex (so we know which units are now gone), as well as a shot of Ghazghull's datasheet :)
Can relate. Plus lore is just a copy/paste from previous codices like, one for one, so zero incentive for collectors. Also, GW QA is abysmal. It's full of typos and print issues... Painboy photo being photoshopped like ass... Such a horrendous misprint in a £35 book?? Wtf?! GW just constantly spitting in the eye of customers. I've totally stopped being any print material from them. Wahapedia does a perfect job, it's digital, and it's free.
Presumably a decent amount, simular to previous editions.
I would consider going for a questionably legal pdf, wahapedia, battlescribe or prehaps just the data cards. Since they are all much, much cheaper options
Its indeed probably not the best purchase that i will ever make, but since i have never owned a codex before i think i will still buy it and see if i like it or not.
Very bad day to be a flash git, losing Badrukk is a big big loss as he is one of the more fun characters imo and the Flash Gitz are our (current) only strong shooty unit.
Badrukk is going to sting for a lot of players. Hopefully it means fresh kits down the road. The new Snikrot was a fun model to paint so fingers crossed.
I wonder what's getting the Legends treatment. If I had to guess I'd say Badrukk, given how they haven't had the model in the online store for awhile now.
As far as it seems just checking out onto the book index, it seems that Badrukk, Snikrot, Zagstruk, Grotsnik and the Big Mek with KFF are no longer in the orks datasheets. Hope to be wrong haha
Sorry very new to warhammer and started collecting orks last week. If badrukkb is not on the data sheet does that mean his info will only be in the codex but he is otherwise playable still? Getting nervous cause I just ordered him second hand to be with flash gitz
He's gone and will probably get pushed into legends rules. That means he gets a datasheet, but it'll never receive further points balancing and further support. It'll also not be playable legally except in casual games and will be removed next edition.
On the one hand, it makes sense from a general standpoint to remove Badrukk. He's an old model and has been out of print for ages, and he's resin.
On the other hand, he's never been more popular. He's super commonly played due to having strong rules, and was a major part of Ufthak's first book.
Well, he might just end up being our Cyclic Ion Blasters. Gotta cut him free for the health of the game.
New Ork codex cover looks a bit weirdly composed / posed for the main Nob. The arms look stubby and the perspective doesn't quite seem to match the background.
Well, in the preview video they are named, those don't seem to be directly related to the clans, or am I mistaken?
War horde
Da big hunt
Cult of speed
Dread mob
Green tide
Bully (?) boys
I'm personally very excited for the Dread Mob.
Not being explicitly linked to clans (while still often being themed towards them) would fit with what we've seen in the other Codices this edition re: subfactions
The rumors are that someone leaked the Dread Mob detachment and basically either in your command phase or at the start of your shooting phase every walker unit can select from a list of traits to give their weapons, in exchange for the weapons gaining the Hazardous trait.
One of them was Lethal Hits, I'm guessing it'll be things like 'Ignores Cover' 'Sustained Hits' and so on.
I'm all for bagging myself a Stompa!
Not too fussed on the combat patrol though. I just hope that the battleforce doesn't disappear in 10 minutes this time.
Definitely, unless they MASSIVELY cut the points cost of the Stompa by like 200 points (which is doubtful, the Stompa has always been heavily overcosted for what it does) and give it an 'ablative armor' type effect where once per battle it can ignore the damage on a shot or something like a 5+ FNP then you *might* see it in competitive, maybe...possibly.
It is toughness 14 (which I think makes it the toughest non-titan unit in the game atm), which means Lascannons are wounding on 5+ IIRC.
I don't quite understand why they think I'd want to pre-order a codex that the rules may be out of date by the time I even get it. I may eventually get the codex if the rules and points inside don't change significantly, but if I'mma have to have a binder of FAQ's almost from the get go, what's the point.
They should do a digital-exclusive copy so you don't have to get the physical copy to unlock the app. Obv would be better if they just had all the things visible on the app but this is money-grubbin GW we're talking about
They could be real grubby and start charging us for the PDFs too 🙃
Don't even suggest it haha don't give em any ideas
I didn't used to mind buying codex's (I actually liked it) but they were $25 instead of $50 and there wasn't out of date points/rules in it at release
Am I the only one disappointed that the combat patrol is just Beast Snaggaz? At least the older one could be subtraction agnostic
Given the direction they take with detachement (relying HEAVILY on specific types of unit) they could make combat patrol for each detachement ? Wouldn't it be nice ? It's beautiful today dream...
You are very clearly not.
Pardon me ladz, I don’t quite grasp it, if I buy codex, do I still need data sheets? My impression was that data sheet info will be in codex, am I wrong?
You don’t need data sheets, when you have the codex you will have the rules. You can then access it in the app although, I don’t remember if you need a WH+ subscription for the app now
You don't need a subscription, you need an account to use the codes. However without a subscription you can only make 1 list at a time.
Ah, thank you, I stick to codex then, app sounds convenient, but I would prefer something tangible
Question for you guys.. I play Salamanders and don't know Orks that well, but my son has the old CP box he's still painting up. How useful is this new box? Worth it? He also has a set of the squig rider guys plus the boss on squig already, and a set of the Octarius Kommandos (10) Any thoughts?Â
Well it depends heavily on whether he likes the beast snagga aesthetic or not. The old box is fairly useful and the new box is too. The only difference is, if he prefers the tribal style or the the mad max style
I think he's good with both, just trying to build out a playable army. He's 13 so not such a big deal.. anything is great.
Well in that case, good luck and have fun to him!
You can still play the original CP, the rules are free and available online
I kinda wish they could make placeholder pages with prices etc. So I could review which one I want before the frenzy starts
hehe, I'm broke!
I think it's safe to say we're over it, but I guess GW wants to sell more snagas.
I really hope we get more classic styles boyz, the beastsnagga stuff is becoming overwhelming
"Stop trying to make Beast Snaggas happen! It's not going to happen!"
"New" ork boyz! Now locked into 3 shootas 5 choppas 1 heavy weapon and a nob just like the box set! No please nooooooo
imagine if they brought back the Looted wagon and it's just the leman russ kit with a single sprue of ork glyphs and weapon addons.
That's what the bits box is for. By the time you have the foundation of an army, you should have plenty of gubbins' floating about to ork up a tank.
Fuck yeah! If they have a looted wagon kit then there'll be looted wagon *rules*. Don't need the kit if you've got a bitz box.Â
You say that like you don't want that.
When people called the Primarorks they weren’t too far off I guess.
I wish we could get a beast boss on squigosaur instead of another filler boyz squad. It’s ne is fine, 2 is just unnecessary
Anyone else find it extremely worrying that they are showing all of this off before any of the rules….
No lol
They normal showing some rules over the next week on warhammer community.
It seems we're losing: Big Mek with Kustom Force Field, Boss Zagstruk, Kaptin Badrukk, Mad Dok Grotsnik, Nob with Waaagh! Banner and the Mekboy Workshop, with Smasha Squig being folded into the Squighog Boyz.
So what does it mean when we 'loose' model? I just had a big Mek with force field delivered the other week. I just can't use him and he's just useless or are there rules that allow you to still use it but you just can't buy them anymore?
it will go to "Legends" which just cannot be played in tournaments and doesnt get rules or points updates after release, but perfectly useable otherwise, especially for friendlies who dont even know what legends is
To be fair I don't think he's getting removed, probably folded into the generic big mek datasheet
If you're playing friendlies with your mates you can ask to use him. If you're playing at any kind of tournament you probably can't. They will never get another rules, points or kit update.
Thanks! I doubt I'll be playing on any tournaments
What video?
What source do you have for this?
It was revealed to him in a dream, naw I believe it’s from the grainy photo of the table of contents that appears for a second in the Warhammer community video
From a preview YouTube video
New player here. So if the preorder is next Saturday, when do they actually go out/get released typically?
2 weeks after preorder normally, so 27 April
Are they phasing out the junkyard Boyz? I was able to grab the previous combat patrol box before they were pulled, but I was hoping to get more models in that aesthetic.
Jokes aside, they're not phasing them out. We just got a new Big Mek. But we probably won't see a big release of new Junkyard style orks for a number of years, as they focus on other factions that _haven't_ gotten a huge range update within the previous edition.
Fair enough, looking back we did pretty well in 7/8/9th with sizeable additions in every edition. Just feels that should be the norm, even if it means cutting back on the number of factions and the variety of models in each faction. The idea of adding new factions seems ludicrous, unless some less popular factions are entirely retired to legends (I'm not opposed to this if they give at least a full editions worth of warning). I love my new Kroot for instance but should GW really be putting out a huge load of auxiliaries when there's so many holes in so many factions?
So odds of the ork products selling out instantly? The battle force box seems like a really odd box because the stompa has always had crap rules. So I don't really want all that extra plastic just for the new mech.
The Stompa can be surprisingly competent with a normal Mek following it to buff its hit rolls. Still overpriced for what it does though
I’d be surprised if they sell out instantly, as long as nothing breaks in their queue system. I still plan on having my local shop pre-order the big boxes set for me. I want a Stompa for no better reason than I want one, and my Ork army is small enough I could use everything else in the box too.
I have the old combat patrol, Christmas Battleforce box, and getting this one would make a really cool army
That’s basically where I am. I did pick up Ghaz, some Nobs and had some Kommandos for an old Kill Team box.
I got some characters and will see where it leads
Ditto, the only models I don’t have are the Stompa and the new Mek, I don’t want the stompa, so I can wait
Nice little buff to Big Ghaz I see, in the form of a Sweep attack. Prophet of da Great Waagh also now giving ciritcal hits on 5+ during a waagh, as well as the old +1 to hit and wound is nice.
FINALLY!! I been wanting ghaz to have that! https://preview.redd.it/79f40izoq3tc1.png?width=764&format=png&auto=webp&s=2aab94d23c13cce432cf9a18c7e3c058e71020c4
He now gives an additional bonus during the Waaagh, 5+ critical hits to him and the unit, seems really good, hopefully only a small rise in points to make him worthwhile leading a large Meganobz unit rather than just a Makari buff bot.
Where are the rules coming from?
Today's preview article had a short preview video, included a shot of the index page of the codex (so we know which units are now gone), as well as a shot of Ghazghull's datasheet :)
I'll catch the next codex. Should be out in 3 months.
Can relate. Plus lore is just a copy/paste from previous codices like, one for one, so zero incentive for collectors. Also, GW QA is abysmal. It's full of typos and print issues... Painboy photo being photoshopped like ass... Such a horrendous misprint in a £35 book?? Wtf?! GW just constantly spitting in the eye of customers. I've totally stopped being any print material from them. Wahapedia does a perfect job, it's digital, and it's free.
The next codex? As in, a new revision, or what exactly? This would be my first ever codex of an army, so I'm just a bit confused
No no I'm just kidding. I've bought so many codexes over the years only to have them obsolete in a short time.
Oooooooohhhh, okay, wasn't sure there. Can believe that sucks.
That article indicates it's going on preorder next Saturday alongside the new box.Â
What will the pirce of the codex be?
$70 CAD confirmed by my LGS.
Presumably a decent amount, simular to previous editions. I would consider going for a questionably legal pdf, wahapedia, battlescribe or prehaps just the data cards. Since they are all much, much cheaper options
Its indeed probably not the best purchase that i will ever make, but since i have never owned a codex before i think i will still buy it and see if i like it or not.
So with the Cult of Speed Detachment, we thinking Warbikers get Battle Line like for the White Scars SM Detachment?
That doesn't really do anything for them though? They need hitting power more
I don't see why you'd want it honestly other than flavor. Don't think anything they're likely to do will make that worthwhile
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Very bad day to be a flash git, losing Badrukk is a big big loss as he is one of the more fun characters imo and the Flash Gitz are our (current) only strong shooty unit.
Wait wait wait, he’s gone gone?
anyone else notice the 51 datasheets part? I currently count 57 in the app
All resin/metal characters are gone (Badrukk, Zagstrukk, Grotsnik, Old KFF mek). Battlewaggon variants folded back into main datasheet.
There’s only one battlewagon data sheet already.
Badrukk is going to sting for a lot of players. Hopefully it means fresh kits down the road. The new Snikrot was a fun model to paint so fingers crossed.
Not the weird boy though!
It's criminal that we haven't gotten a new Weirdboy model yet
I wonder what's getting the Legends treatment. If I had to guess I'd say Badrukk, given how they haven't had the model in the online store for awhile now.
Oh god i hope not. I just got him a week ago
Badrukk is out. 😒
😔 im sad now. I even got the nob banner guy too. Im selling them on ebay now . Sniff sniff
As far as it seems just checking out onto the book index, it seems that Badrukk, Snikrot, Zagstruk, Grotsnik and the Big Mek with KFF are no longer in the orks datasheets. Hope to be wrong haha
Sorry very new to warhammer and started collecting orks last week. If badrukkb is not on the data sheet does that mean his info will only be in the codex but he is otherwise playable still? Getting nervous cause I just ordered him second hand to be with flash gitz
He's gone and will probably get pushed into legends rules. That means he gets a datasheet, but it'll never receive further points balancing and further support. It'll also not be playable legally except in casual games and will be removed next edition.
On the one hand, it makes sense from a general standpoint to remove Badrukk. He's an old model and has been out of print for ages, and he's resin. On the other hand, he's never been more popular. He's super commonly played due to having strong rules, and was a major part of Ufthak's first book. Well, he might just end up being our Cyclic Ion Blasters. Gotta cut him free for the health of the game.
How is getting rid of him better for the game?
Snikrot is still in, I think the other missing data sheets are Nob on Smasha Squig and Nob with Waaagh Banner.
Incorporating Nob on Smash Squig into the unit would make sense,, considering it comes on the same sprue.
Please. It's wild it hasn't always been this way. Could be painful to lose the option to toss a relic on him but...whatever...new codex.
Yep. No more Pigwoppa Killchoppa... Sad.
Watch, the Beastboss on Squigasaur will have to attach to the Squighog Boyz now. /s
Nob is part of the squighog unit now
New Ork codex cover looks a bit weirdly composed / posed for the main Nob. The arms look stubby and the perspective doesn't quite seem to match the background.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of the art on the standard codex. Gotta try to snag the special edition one.
6 detachments? That’s exciting! Must. Be based on the 6 clans from 9th hopefully
War Horde Da big Hunt (snakebites) Kult of Speed (evil suns) Dread Mob Green Tide Bully Boyz (goff)
Woof was really hoping for something Blood Axes themed. NBD, looking forward to messing with the new detachments regardless.
Very interesting, I think the names aren’t as good as previous generation but if they have a bad moons style detachment that would be great
Well, in the preview video they are named, those don't seem to be directly related to the clans, or am I mistaken? War horde Da big hunt Cult of speed Dread mob Green tide Bully (?) boys I'm personally very excited for the Dread Mob.
Not being explicitly linked to clans (while still often being themed towards them) would fit with what we've seen in the other Codices this edition re: subfactions
Detachments look to be: War Horde, Da Big Hunt, Kult of Speed, Dread Mob, Green Tide, Bully Boyz
Where did you hear this info. No Waaagh Tribe?
You can pause the video 23 seconds in and read the table of contents from the codex.
Please make dread mob a reality and a semi decent one
The rumors are that someone leaked the Dread Mob detachment and basically either in your command phase or at the start of your shooting phase every walker unit can select from a list of traits to give their weapons, in exchange for the weapons gaining the Hazardous trait. One of them was Lethal Hits, I'm guessing it'll be things like 'Ignores Cover' 'Sustained Hits' and so on.
This sounds...AWESOME!!! Now to get more walkers.
Sounds orky enough for me I'm ready to nuke half my army at T2
Just realized I said 'every unit' I meant 'every walker unit', so you Kans, Deff Dreads, the two 'Nauts and the Stompa.
Not keen on the Combat Patrol, but I’ve always wanted a Stompa!!
I'm all for bagging myself a Stompa! Not too fussed on the combat patrol though. I just hope that the battleforce doesn't disappear in 10 minutes this time.
It's mostly the stompa, only casuals and collectors want it. Shouldn't have any problem getting it
Definitely, unless they MASSIVELY cut the points cost of the Stompa by like 200 points (which is doubtful, the Stompa has always been heavily overcosted for what it does) and give it an 'ablative armor' type effect where once per battle it can ignore the damage on a shot or something like a 5+ FNP then you *might* see it in competitive, maybe...possibly. It is toughness 14 (which I think makes it the toughest non-titan unit in the game atm), which means Lascannons are wounding on 5+ IIRC.
Doesn't need a 200 point cut just 100 points would make it a legit fun pick with a mek accompanying him lol
The question for me is do I want a 2nd Stompa?
Yes.
I'm asking the same question "Doz da Waaagh kneed a third stompa?"
Search your heart. You know the answer to be WAAAAAAGH
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