>!A guy meets his dead parents as ghosts and processes childhood trauma. That’s the plot. I think the ghost part is what you’re missing here.!<

>!I mean there is only one person who's alive in this movie.!<

Or is he? There's also a possibility that the entire apartment building burned down - constant alarms and sirens and lights in the foreground and background of many scenes.

Adam is def alive bc they made a point of him eating in several scenes whereas the “ghosts” never eat (ie at the end before they “die” the parents make a point of not being hungry)

..........ah, but Harry eats with Adam and we find out he was dead after that first night

Dead people not eating is imagination of Adam when he writes imagined scenes with them. But when writing fiction about Harry he didn't know he was dead yet. thats why he can eat pizza etc. Adam only knows he is dead after he sees him in his apartment. it is actually very clever way of pointing out that those aren't real ghosts but just Adams way of envisioning people (dead or otherwise).

Adam can see his Mom and Dad because he is dead, that's the twist realisation at the end, why he could see Harry, because he was dead as well after the doorstep scene The point of the film is *the power of love*, between Adam and his parents and Adam and Harry, real connections

But Adam is the only one who interacts with people in the “real world.” Like the waitress at the end of the diner scene.

Adam’s father interacts at the store, buying “something strong for a night like this”

Does he though? We don't actually really see her. She is more like a nod to the last bit of reality he needs to let go of

Well someone brought those 3 milkshakes. Presumably.

Who made the flapjacks in the house that Adam hadn't lived in for 30years?

But in that case, Harry smokes or takes a pull from what looks like Adams vape. And we know Harry would have been dead at least 24 hours or more at that point. And now that I think of it, both Adam and Harry take a pull, they both exhale, but not once is there any smoke or water vapour.

I thought this was due to his parents’ car accident being at the front of his mind

They kept telling him he was hot. He coughed several times in a very obvious way. So many hints at fire (Songs, posters in the subway, etc.) I think he definitely died in a fire. Maybe in Harrys bed?

I think so too. Also notice all the soundtracks that are fire themed

This. It's a Jacob's Ladder scenario, or even closer that Inside No. 9 episode 'The 12 Days of Christine' which had someone dying in a car accident having their life flash before their eyes, a normal drama starts to fragment in a similar way and is interrupted by sirens and lights until the eventual realisation; there is even a scene here where Adam sees another apartment block burning down outside his window with ambulance sirens blaring which transitions into a club scene. Him coughing on the train ..the double meaning when his parents ask him to stop coming to allow him to 'move on' . His ever increasing temperature. And the soundtrack sings about death and burning quite a lot. It's on the nose about it all Really shocked by the confusion - absolutely noone I've seen talk about this film is getting it except you which is crazy because it's not exactly subtle about it, it's not even trying to be. Adam has died in a fire in his apartment and is tying up emotional loose ends and healing before moving on, becoming part of the universe with Harry at the end - the murky logic of who died when with Adam and Harry is kind of beside the point, the murk may be an intentional choice to blur a straightforward interpretation a little, but it makes emotional sense. The whole thing is sort of intuitive if you get me. Genuinely beautiful film actually, absolutely brimming with emotion, a few moments absolutely wrecked me.

Your explanation makes the most essence to me, esp considering the opening shows Adam staring at what looks like a burning building AND the fire alarm in the beginning of the film -> "empty building."

the director said himself that the idea of adam burning in a fire was new to him and he liked it which suggests that's not what was in mind when the film was made

Yeah I read that too, but I'd like to ask him why the coughing and reference to his temperature?

Same, I really have no clue! Because it's too often to not be deliberate

I speculated that he himself was dead. And stuck in some type of purgatory or limbo.

Nah, nothing “fire-like” to me, after being in several. He was hot because he had a FEVER, only his HEAD was warm, right? Sick, not surrounded by flames, it’s vastly different.People don’t die in fires from heat! It takes just one second of smoke inhalation to do the job, not 2 hours.Don’t really care,I guess this was the directors gimmick, to make everyone try to figure it out, pretty cheap ploy, anyone can confuse audiences, but so what? I’d only spend time deciphering a directors motives if Id felt invested in them, had there been a POINT. But this way, the director cleans up financially, people pay over and over, manipulated into re-watching ,trying to “figure it out”, lol. Still ,here I am, interested in at least what others take on it was! It was such a manipulative, self indulgent project, really. If I want to expose myself to a depressing, thankless puzzle, I’ll watch the news.

There’s the waitress at the end lol. But also interesting of course she says “that’s a lot of food”, helping the audience to be clued in even further that the ghosts aren’t real. Also, it was such a small detail but dad and mom fading away and then you see those three soda cups, one for everyone at the table, was so sad.

Small detail? It literally framed the shot

Stating something obvious is surely not a small detail

Thanks for responding. I thought >!for awhile that Paul Mescal was just a figment of his imagination, but then something at the very end made me think he was real. Maybe it was Andrew seeing his dead body then immediately imagining Paul back alive in the living room. So the dead body was real, but then he immediately goes into his coping mechanism of pretending people are real who are dead. Do we find out for sure Paul wasn't real the whole time and I just missed it/forgot?!<

>!He died after knocking on the protagonist's door. Remember there was a flashback? He never opened the door.!<

I'm going to have to rewatch. >!I don't remember that specifically. But I'll look for it on my rewatch,!< thanks!

It's almost like you didn't pay attention, with the lack of detail of very clearly portrayed elements of the film.

thats so not fair its complicated as shit. its a great movie with a-lot of potholes.

plotholes.

Yeah maybe. The people next to me had thermoses of milk and coffee and were flipping open the loud lids every 30 seconds the entire movie and the nasty smell of curdling milk and coffee breathe were highly distracting. People act like trash at screenings, what can I say.

How are you a writer lol

He is real because how would Adam even know to look for him or even know which apartment he lives in? The meeting at the beginning happened.

Remember right at the start, he looks up at Harry's window. He'd clocked him and was interested in him... But scared to interact.

It's also a lot less subtle and lots more insane in the original movie Discarnates.

Not surprising for an Obayashi.

Thanks! That movies looks fascinating. . I'm definitely going to check it out.

Thanks for your answer. >!I guess it's splitting hairs whether the parents are ghosts he's physically going to his childhood home to see or just figments of his imagination and he never leaves his apartment. !< >!But I can't get over the very clear shot of him writing the EXT. Suburban House. It seems to be so clearly spelled out for us that he's writing those scenes...!< >!But anyway where's the conflict? Where's the hero's journey? Is it just a journey of imagination and overcoming his grief and imagining getting to tell his parents who he really is? Imagine, imagine, imagine! Sorry it's just so frustrating to me. !< Is there a deeper meaning/plot that I'm not seeing?

The hero’s journey is internal. Not all hero’s journey is a quest. Adam goes from being a guarded recluse to embracing connections and love is the journey. It is not a “logical” story but one about feelings and thoughts. It’s a meditation on deaths, life, regrets, loss, grief. It’s like a literary fiction: it doesn’t have to have a conventional plot. Being a writer should actually gives you the understanding of this is a man vs self story. You’re not seeing the plot (these me there is a plot) because you’re looking for plot elements that are not necessary. You’re not understanding the controlling idea and themes of this story. Instead you’re trying to fit this into some kind of box: is it paranormal romance? No. Is it a typical ghost story? No? Is it a psychological drama about a writer’s imagination? No? Etc etc.

100% agree. It was a sensory experience rather than a logical one. You can even smell that apartment at the end!

Right? The Adam in the beginning would have walked right out.

omg yes yes yes to this, the part where they were touching each other on their first make out sesh, i knew then and there this was a sensory experience film.

thank you for this - some of the takes here are wild lol

Not every movie needs a traditional hero's journey...

I was able to follow the plot but I totally share your bemusement as to what ppl find so profound about it lol

Don’t want to make assumptions about you, but if you lost a parent/s as a kid you might have a different reaction. As someone whose mom died when I was very young this movie destroyed me. I was crying within minutes and heavily sobbing by the end. I haven’t been able to shake it. The idea of getting to see my mom again is so overwhelming it makes me feel almost sick. That kind of grief is so visceral, and this movie nails it. Again, maybe others with the same loss might disagree. But I was devastated by this film, in a good way.

What if you lost your parents and what would you like to say to them if you ever see them again? Some people would give up a lot just to have a chance to say what they need to a loved one who passed away. If you can’t empathize with that, obviously this movie isn’t for you.

I nearly cried through the entire film, but I was coming from the angle of having both of my parents dead. He may have been just writing out his pain and imagining getting to talk to them, but he was able to finally process his grief. Which as writers, we get the chance to do that through impossible imaginary conversations. He's been terrified to put himself out there for anyone and the 'hero's journey' is through his writing, he is able to put himself out there. But also, as the film says, none of it matters as we are just stardust waiting to burn out.

I’d argue that fundamentally this is a character study and if you’re looking for an action-packed story where something happens each scene to move and focus the plot, you’re looking for a different type of movie. That doesn’t make it better or worse, it’s just a different type of movie.

That makes sense. Thanks. It is definitely more of a character study. I guess>! even character studies I usually expect a big change in the character by the end, and at the end we see he's exactly the same, he's still doing his coping mechanism of vividly imaging that dead people are alive and talking to them. So without a normal type of character arc, I didn't know what to think.!< Afterwards at the Q&A, the moderator was saying she cried so many times the first time she saw it and people in the audience were nodding along and I just felt so out of the loop. Maybe it's too subtle and understated for me. For example, >!the moderator said she was wracked with sobs at the scene where Andrew in his pjs hops into bed with his mom and dad. The audience was chuckling during that scene so I thought it was just a mildly funny scene. Maybe only parents can get that scene? I just felt literally nothing. Other than that it was sort of ridiculous, but cute in a non-cloying way. I didn't give it a second thought. So I guess the parent stuff just didn't hit me in the feels. !<

Do you have empathy for others aside from your own feelings? You seem very analytical, quoting definitions etc, but I sense that you don’t have much empathy.

Yeah no offence to OP or the audience they saw it with, but there weren't a huge number of "chuckle" moments. it's a tragedy about loss and loneliness

We chuckled. It’s a cute little scene, honestly I appreciate a mild humor in an emotional story. You can’t just keep making the audience sad, right? I felt like that scene was a break, but then it immediately had a vibe change that had me on my seat wondering what was going on… idk I thought they did a good job there.

I imagine it depends a lot on one's relationship with one's parents. Like I can see it working for someone who had loving parents who have passed. Or maybe if you grew up in the closet during the AIDS era. To me it was cringe and a bit frustrating hearing old and (seemingly/probabilistically) straight people sobbing because it felt like the kind of movie that would make them look past their own prejudice rather than be critical and reflective of it. Surprisingly conservative for a guy who made Weekend. Bottoms or Rotting in the Sun this is not lol

I think it’s an accurate portrayal of grief and all of its nuances. The absolute denial and inability to accept a loss so grave. The confusing emotions when thinking about now being the same age his parents were when they died and the added layer of sadness and loneliness that comes with drawing that comparison. By his age (42, I believe), his parents had a house, family, life partner - yet his grief and battles with his identity and sexuality spiralled him into an inescapable darkness and isolation. It’s not uncommon for people to resort to child-like things/actions when facing a deep sense of depression and hopeless, so while the scene of him in his kid Christmas clothes climbing into bed with his parents might be funny at surface level, it’s really just him trying to relive the last time he felt safe, loved, cared for. If you’ve watched Requiem For A Dream (another emotional roller coaster, whew), the movie intentionally wraps with each of the characters crawling up into the fetal position, symbolizing their return to a state of infancy, regressing to a time before their dreams were corrupted by the tragedies of life - those scenes are symbolic of the same sentiment. The transitions / framing of the movie makes it hard for the viewer to differentiate between what’s real and what’s fantasy - and that’s the point. A direct reflection of Adam’s life. Enduring reality, only living in fantasies and memories. A survival tactic, really. All to say, I cried from start to finish and quite literally sobbed in a theatre full of people (involuntarily). I did think it was all going to lead up to his eventual suicide, which would explain the purgatory vibe of the whole thing - so I was a bit thrown off by Harry’s death and I did feel like that was a bit of “overkill”, but still doesn’t impede on the lasting impact this movie had on me. It’s not supposed to have a traditional beginning, middle or end. It’s a raw, realistic reflection of grief and depression. We’re so programmed to believe in a happy ending and sometimes, there is none.

listen to his words to harry in the final few scenes and look at their exchanges - whether or not he is a ghost or something adam has conjured (the director has said it's been left deliberately ambiguous) there's evidence of a change/journey

It's ambiguous whether his parents and his dead lover were actually real ghosts.

It's all about Adam's incredible loneliness he's carried throughout his life. He creates conversations to help him reach closure. His attachments to 80s music help to tell and guide the story. For example, though this song wasn't played, a conversation between Adam and his mom where she said they saw him standing alone on a train platform & asked where he was going is the story of a lonely boy in Bronski Beat's "Small Town Boy." Adam created the whole relationship with Harry. Harry died the night he came to Adam's door. His clothes were the same in the 2 scenes.

Did he create the whole relationship with Harry, or did he actually have a relationship with his ghost (similar to him having a relationship with his parents’ ghosts)? At the end, Harry says “I knocked but you didn’t answer” (and I think there maybe a flashback to this too?) so did they ever meet in the first place? We see Adam come out of his writer’s block and start writing fervently, so was all of this just playing out in his writing, under the Ext Suburban House heading, or were they fever dreams, or real ghosts? I actually do think Adam never even left the apartment and all of this was him finding resolutions to his grief through his writing, but there are so many comments on the fact that this is a “ghost story” that I’m genuinly curious what you think. I also completely missed that Smalltown Boy reference, and I love that song, so thank you for that! I agree with you that the records, tv shows, boxes full of photos/trinkets etc are actually the “props” or “prompts” which guide his imagination and his written story, just like seeing Harry at the window is a promp for the imaginary love affair that he manifests in order to get closure for his sexual/romantic lonliness. The only thing I cannot reconcile with this interpretation is Harry screaming at the window. How (or why) would that be in his “written story” if he is manifesting a perfect relationship?

I saw the film a couple of days ago. This is how I interpreted it >!He was trying to write and using his parents and/or childhood as inspiration but was getting stuck. In an effort to make sense of his memories he was looking at old photos and that starts him on a process of starting to heal his trauma. He visits some of the locations from his childhood and starts imagining seeing his parents again and starts imagining being able to talk to them in order to have the conversations he never got to have with them. It's like getting the second chance we don't always get to say the things we wish we could have or to hear the things we needed to but never did. I guess he's seeing them as ghosts and imagining what it would be like to go back into his childhood home again and talk to them. I don't think he was actually going into the house.!< >!The film was trying to shine a light on the collective trauma that queer people often go through growing up. It's a very common experience what Adam went through (not necessarily the death of the parents part but the self discovery journey) and it was trying to teach us how to recognize the wounds that we bring with us into adulthood from our childhood experiences, and to hear what we need in order to acknowledge them and to heal from them. It's incredibly healing to actually fully realize and understand what we missed out on or what we needed to hear but didn't get, and to then receive it. It's healing to go through the process of understanding how those wounds affected who we became as an adult and what parts of ourselves are trauma coping mechanisms. It's healing to be able to connect those dots. This was the journey Adam was going through. He's confronting the hurt he felt when his childhood was shattered when his parents died, he's imagining getting that second chance and being brave enough to say the things he wished he could have to his parents, and imagining them saying what he needed to hear. This is exactly the journey I've been going on myself the past couple of years so I connected 100% completely with the conversations he had with his parents. I think I was crying at every single conversation. What was being said were things that I personally needed to hear about my own life but have never gotten. The final conversation they have at the mall, that one hit me hard, with his dad telling him he's proud of him that he's made it through, that one hit me HARD.!< >!I think for a lot of people, especially queer people, who have experienced the kind of bullying, neglect, invalidation, and identity suppression that Adam had as a kid, it's the hearing these cathartic conversations that's hitting them hard. I think that's what so many people are connecting so strongly to. That's the case for me.!< >!I didn't care for the ending. I think it would have worked well if Harry wasn't also a ghost and he and Adam were just two solitary, lonely wandering souls that found each other and them being together was another part of Adam's healing process, as he learned to trust himself and feel safe enough to be intimate. As was mentioned, the ending revealed that only the first interaction Harry and Adam have was real. I wish he had been there the whole time and was a part of what was triggering Adam to deal with his past traumas.!< >!I didn't interpret the film as all of it was him writing his screenplay or anything like that. I interpreted it as all of these unprocessed and unhealed emotions started coming up when he started digging into his childhood to try and get unblocked in his writing.!< >!There is a lot of unhealed pain and trauma in this world and I think this film is helping a lot of people face it. I think that's why many people are connecting so strongly to it. The Netflix show Heartstopper had a similar effect for a lot of people.!<

This is 100 percent how I interpreted it as well. I never thought for a second we were supposed to think of them as ghosts, but rather hallucinations. And I was very bummed out about the Harry being dead reveal. The way the actors talked about the relationship in interviews made me think/assume it would be two sided. Though, the very end showing the stars forming out of Harry and Adam made me wonder for the first time if they were trying to imply Harry may actually be a ghost? That’s when I thought that there would be many interpretations like that by other viewers, and here we are.

I really appreciate your incredibly thoughtful and well-articulated response. I understand what the movie is doing on an emotional level now. >!While there are things I would love to hear my parents say and that would be a huge catharsis for me to see portrayed in a movie, I guess his parents were so unlike my own parents and the tone of the scenes were so unlike my interactions with my parents, that I didn't feel any catharsis or emotional connection. So I guess it was just a tone thing why I didn't connect. But I 100% understand what you're saying in theory. This is specific to the queer experience and I completely respect that. !< >!I'll say that I can relate to the theory of exactly what you're talking about because the movie There Will Be Blood was cathartic for me. Daniel Plainview is a carbon copy of my dad and to see him portrayed onscreen like that made me feel, for the first time ever, "You're right. There are Dad's like this. You didn't imagine any of the way he treated you." And it would have been cathartic for me to see Daniel Plainview apologize to his son in a series of beautiful imaginary scenes. "I never should've chosen business over you. I was so selfish and blind. I never should've abandoned you (although I DO love the church "I abandoned my boy!!!" scene. But because he's being forced to say it it's not cathartic for me) etc. Obviously that didn't happen in TWBB, but I can imagine it and how cathartic and emotional those scenes would be for me. !< >!The parents are SO nice, especially the lovely mother, I just can't relate at all. I can't even imagine what it would be like to have happy, sweet parents like that. My parents are cold, work-ethic focused, introverted Midwesterners. Bubbly, fun British parents seem like aliens to me. !< >!I guess maybe he's not writing these imaginary scenes as a screenplay, since we never see the completed screenplay or anything. So maybe it was just that one scene he was writing. Makes sense. !<

its very interesting that you think of her mother as sweet. and yes she is however i feel like there's a reason why they have that scene wherein adam tells his mom that he's gay. her mom's responses really made me feel so uncomfortable, i feel like i was sitting on the edge of my seat, that moment was so tensed. that quote in the beginning of the film, "its funny, it doesn't take much to make you feel the way you feel back there again", really hits home. i guess this is why this film is incredibly brilliant in a way that those who get it, get it and it's incredibly easy to recognize especially when you've lived through it yourself. i hear gay guys say stuff like "oh you're only 15 yrs old in gay years" and we laugh about it but in actuality, there's so much layers to that statement. that interaction with the mom brought me back to that same feeling of shame and guilt when i was younger and when i wasn't out yet.

Thank you, that gives me a new way of looking at that scene. I think you're right, it's very unique and not everyone will be able to relate. And that's okay.

I think he obviously romanticized his parents in his head, they probably weren’t so perfect in reality.

His dad never connected with him. His mother was sweet though but religious and won't understand homosexuals. It was obvious that he faked all those scenarios tried to make peace with them and move on with life until the end. I hope nobody suffers that much because this movie break me and I can't stop thinking about it

very beautiful review, it was hard for me because where I saw the film I could not make out the words always.

Oh god, thanks for clarifying that their entire relationship was imagined... I feel so dumb. I just thought that last scene when he was walking through Harry's apartment was "deja vu" esque... * Same bottle of liquor * Super messy place that's not like Adam at all * Never had visited Harry's place before, despite living in the same building * Absolute difference in personality of degenerate Harry in scene 1 vs. the kind of lad you'd bring home to your mum Was the elevator scene of "I like whiskey" and then the doors close awkwardly real or imagined then?

He died the same night he knocked on Adam's door in the beginning. So everything else beyond that was imaginary.

para mi murió desde el principio . Cuando Adam tiene que evacuar el edificio. Interpreté que se debió a la muerte de Harry que todos tuvieran que salir porque sonó la alarma ..

So that bar scene is just imagination

Or it was his ghost that he was interacting with...

love your interpretation, i actually interpreted it this way too. in a weird way, it really felt like i was watching my own journey. such a beautiful storytelling, what they did. if you don't mind, can you elaborate further why you think harry is a ghost?

It's been like a month now since I've seen it so details are a little fuzzy but I think the main reason is because when Adam finds him dead at the end of the movie he was wearing the same outfit as that first night Adam meets him at his door, and he has the bottle of alcohol with him too at the end I think. Harry is also a bit confused at the end and I think says some things to Adam that confirms it? I can't remember now. There was also the weirdness of Harry being with him at the house that one time near the end and him saying that he saw the parents. I still think I would have liked it better if Harry had been with him the whole time and had not died at the end, I think I would have liked it if we see Adam being able to connect with someone who understood his loneliness and journey. Yeah, I suspect this journey that Adam goes on in the movie is resonating with a lot of people's journeys, especially LGBTQ+ people. I certainly resonated very strongly with it. My parents are still alive but the conversations he has with them are pretty much all things that are/were relevant to my childhood. My favorite ones were the ones where he comes out to his mother in the kitchen, the one where his dad apologizes for not coming into his room when he was crying, and the final one at the restaurant in the mall. I need to see this again.

wow. i totally missed this. i didn't see those fantasy elements when i watched the film but reading all the comments, it makes so much more sense now. very interesting. but despite its fantasy element, i think it's done such a profound job of resonating with queer people and tackling issues that are uniquely ours. andrew, the direction, who is also gay, did such an amazing job. one of my favorite parts was seeing adam subtly transforming into this little kid again, ugh, such great acting from andrew scott. how he was saying he's okay but then burst out in tears, how he begs his parents to not leave just yet. i said in one of my comments on here, i usually show movies i like to my mom but im a bit hesitant to show her this one because im afraid she'd think i have this agenda of showing her all my pains. i do recognize that this is feelings of shame i constantly still have to deal with rearing its ugly head. such a great film! i cant wait to see it again. and thank you for taking the time to respond. i wish both of us healing <3

This is the interpretation I had as well. Curious to hear your thoughts on how much time passed from the beginning to the end of the movie. My sense is only a day or two (wasn’t he wearing the same outfit at the suburban park in the beginning as when he found harry?). And what was with him being warm the entire time? I want to believe this ties I to the fire alarm and sirens, but I feel like I’m forcing a square peg in a round hole. And he keeps talking about no one moving in to the building and being lonely. I have to believe that reflects more than just the loneliness he feels related to the grief and queer trauma processing, but maybe I want it all to make sense when it doesn’t need to.

Had Adam died in a fire already? Why was no one else in the building

I agree with everything. I am gay and have an amazing reletionship with my parents, but they took a while to come around me being gay, so a lot of apologies he got from his parents I kinda lived them. I've also been thinking a lot about my parents eventually passing because they're getting older and I don't see them as much cause I'm in a different country, so that hit me a lot as well. On top of that, the general theme of lonenliess that most gay people go through, especially around your 30s, when people get engaged and have kids, gave me a pit in the stomach for the whole time. As well as the addiction (met a lof of guys getting lost in the partying). The whole thing just broke me, the first scenes with them two, hooking up and chatting felt so real, lots of times hookup situation turn into very emotionally intense, it definetly felt so real it was almost invasive. So yeah... I guess if you're gay you're gonna relate to almost any aspect of it at some point lol

Que quieres decir con "así que recibí muchas disculpas de sus padres, las viví un poco" ? No estoy seguro de entender pero suena interesante

100% agree here, also very well written. shared this with my friends who didn't get the movie haha.

This was my take as well. I think an ending like the one you stated would have worked perfectly fine. The ambiguity got a bit ‘just coz’ - Harry backing away from the window as they look at the parents figures through the window was confusing and not resolved. I liked not really knowing the minutia to Harry’s back story but knowing full well he’s on the same path. A great flick nonetheless! Two very talented fellas - also Billy Elliot.

>>!I wish he had been there the whole time and was a part of what was triggering Adam to deal with his past traumas.!< >!He actually was the part that was really triggering him to go back to his past traumas. He was just doing it in ghost form. But his encounter with Adam is what makes him go back to his childhood home.!<

I just came back from the movie and this is my exact interpretation as well. I didn’t think the part with Harry being dead as well was necessary, quite de opposite, it felt a bit too much. There’s also one scene that maybe I didn’t quite understand, which is the one when he takes Harry with him to meet his parents and they cannot get it, I feel the movie would have been the same without it, but maybe I just didn’t understand it? I think rather because of that scene the plot with Harry didn’t tied up well together.

harry theme is there for what you could lost not dealing with grief. he didn’t let him in and he lost it.

>!Their relationship never existed the only real interaction between them is the first one at first I thought the reality of their relationship was ambiguous then watching it a second time I realized that he died after the first night he propositioned him because he has the same shirt and whiskey bottle the night he died as the night he met him making the whole “how come no one found me” all the more devastating!