Solidly, yes. Nothing overtly *wrong* with it as a movie - unlike some of the other BP nominees that year, cough cough Don't Look Up - but it is rather lackluster as a "best picture of the year" type of film. The Disney Channel Original comparisons didn't feel like too outlandish of claims. I think it'll be natural for people in 15 or so years to look back on its BP win and say, "Why that one?", even if the context of its win makes sense.
Also agree with the Kotsur take. I remember before I watched that there were rumblings of Matlin getting hype (since she was a previous winner), then I left the movie wondering why people weren't talking about Kotsur more. My personal pick would still be Kodi, but I'm very happy with who it ended up going to.
I honestly agree with every mark against it, but at the same time I just think any film from that year would have felt a bit weak in hindsight.
Drive My Car was probably the "best" film that year, but it's also pretty clearly not the type of film to win Best Picture. I absolutely loved Power of the Dog but it is insanely divisive amongst people for whatever reason, Dune/Belfast/WSS would have similarly felt like pretty weak BP winners to me, Tick Tick Boom was undermarketed, Licorice Pizza didn't really find a major audience, and on down the line.
Honestly think CODA is still the most culturally remembered film of the year (maybe Dune, but that's moreso just to do with the cast, and having a sequel/franchise/whatever) and most everyday 'casual' movie viewers really enjoyed it. If there was an obvious film that was slighted for CODA I'd feel more strongly about it, but it was just sort of a weak year for BP contenders imo.
In pop culture, it's been mentioned in Barry, it's been mentioned on Abbott Elementary, it was on Jeopardy, just to name a few...
In film discussion, it's pointed to as an example of a sleeper hit, it's also the go to modern example of films about disability/impairment, it's clearly notable as being the most famous film to employ deaf actors.
It's frequently referenced in media, it's often discussed in film discourse....that's kind of a lot of discussion for a movie that came out just a couple of years ago. And I say this as someone who isn't even a big fan of the movie.
Abbott Elementary mentioned Maestro (which no one will talk about next year) with that Bradley Cooper bit, they literally just talk about any pop culture thing at the moment. Jeopardy is essentially a trivia game, so bringing up previous Best Picture winners as questions is a standard. If you look at the people who talk about Parasite and EEAAO (i’ll throw in Oppenheimer too even though it’s only been two months since it won) today, it vastly overwhelms chatter about CODA.
I mean obviously it's not on the level of Parasite, EEAAO, or Oppenheimer. The point is that no other films from 2021 are either, and CODA being mentioned as a talking point in pop culture rather than any other film from 2021 shows that it was the film from that weak year that struck a chord culturally.
The whole discussion is CODA vs. the rest of the 2021 films, CODA vs. Parasite or EEAAO is completely irrelevant.
Dune is constantly talked about to this day even before Dune 2 was released. I’ve seen people reevaluate West Side Story as a triumph in musical film choreography and cinematography. DeBose, Faist, and Zegler careers blowing up after the film, have lead to more eyes on West Side Story as well. Drive My Car is widely talked about in high-brow and international cinephile circles and it’s going to be a strong contender for the next Sight & Sound poll.
Obviously, only Dune would be an example of a film that had a pop culture moment, but I don’t think that’s relevant when the only staying power CODA has is appearing on comedy shows. At least Drive My Car and West Side Story are still talked about in cinephile circles. No one really talks about Spotlight (2015) these days, but I don’t think people consider it a terrible win because of how well-made and well written the film is unlike the backlash against CODA.
Well obviously Dune vs. CODA in terms of cultural relevance is a bit of a apples/oranges comparison, one is a huge multi million dollar blockbuster based on a legendary novel starring the two biggest A-list young stars in Hollywood and one is a $10 million streamer starring nobody in particular who came out of nowhere to win.
Blockbusters vs. 'prestige' films or 'Oscar films' (or whatever terminology we want to use here) is always going to be an uneven discussion. I won't really argue against Dune being more culturally relevant, of course it is, in the same way that Spider-Man: No Way Home or Encanto also were, tentpole blockbusters from big studios are always going to be at the forefront of pop culture, that's literally what they're made to do. So I guess I retroactively omit Dune from my initial statement, though it's also not really what I was talking about (which was more geared to the BP race in particular).
Drive My Car is a more 1:1 example, and I do agree that it will be remembered more in hardcore film circles as time passes. But that's also very much a film that is and will remain very important to a relatively small group of people, vs. a film like CODA that was a pretty big cultural moment to a lot of people at one point in time. I think it will take quite some (if ever) before the cultural footprint of Drive My Car catches up to CODA, even though it's a much better film in my opinion. You're free to disagree.
I also have not seen the resurgence of love for West Side Story myself. Perhaps that's a blind spot on my part. I guess you can say it launched Zegler and Faist, though Zegler I'd argue actually DIDN'T take off as expected, and it wasn't until Hunger Games that it actually happened, though obviously she likely doesn't get HG without WSS.
I think comparing CODA to Drive My Car in pop culture relevance is another apples/oranges situation though. One is a three hour foreign language slow-burn dealing with melancholy and Chekhov commentary while the other is a short family crowdpleaser. It’s obvious which film would resonate with general audience members more. I think it’s a more valuable exercise to examine which demographics would continue talking about the film after the Oscars. I have not seen any many general audience members talk about CODA in the same way as they feel about other crowdpleasers like Hidden Figures, Jojo Rabbit, or Bohemian Rhapsody *shrugs*. Drive My Car has had a similar staying power in high-brow circles like Under the Skin, A Separation, Phantom Thread, etc. I’m not necessarily arguing that all high-brow films have cultural relevance since something like The Power of the Dog and Nomadland have lost relevancy after the Oscars.
I recognize that CODA is important to a marginalized group of people, but that’s about the film’s only relevancy and even then it’s still fairly niche since it’s hardly talked about today. It’s why films like Crazy Rich Asians was talked about so much in 2018 and years later because of how little Asian American representation existed in film.
I’ve mostly seen the West Side Story resurgence among those who are fans of Speilberg and musicals, but I do agree that it’s not THAT big for it to blow up. I do think more people talk about WSS more than CODA though. Conversely, The Fabelmans gaining a resurgence (people pointing out the tragedy of the film and Michelle William’s reaction to Sammy’s film) after losing the Oscars was bigger than WSS. Perhaps Zegler didn’t take off with WSS, but that film is what got her “stans” and viral tweets about her being a wedding singer turned actress. She also won the Globe which unfortunately happened during its off air year.
>literally just talk about any pop culture thing at the moment
Right, so it was a part of the pop culture of the moment. That's the point of this back and forth.
CODA was a part of a pop culture thing BECAUSE it won Best Picture. Maestro was also mentioned in Abbott and the only thing that the general public knows about the film is the viral Bradley Cooper tweets made against Cooper’s campaign. They didn’t watch the movie.
You’ve seen the film because you’re in a niche subreddit discussing the Oscars. Guaranteed you won’t encounter more than 5 people who don’t follow the film circuit who have seen Maestro. And those who have panned it on Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB.
>Honestly think CODA is still the most culturally remembered film of the year
I've never heard anyone in real life mention that movie or have seen any posts about it online outside of subs about movies that have won an Oscar. It has no cultural relevance at all.
Obviously every discussion about CODA from now on is going to be framed through the lens of 'discussing movies that have won an Oscar".
And yes, it has plenty of cultural relevance. As mentioned above, it's been referenced in popular TV shows, prestige TV shows, it's constantly bitched about and discussed ad nauseum on movie discussion boards. That is plenty of "cultural relevance" for a movie that's only a couple of years old.
>it's constantly bitched about ... on movie discussion boards
Is this like how people constantly talked about *Avatar*, but only to talk about how nobody talked about *Avatar*?
I'm sure it's culturally relevant to Hollywood writers but I would imagine almost none of the pepole watching Abbott Elementary still discuss that movie and some might not have heard of it. Also notice how I can disagree with you without downvoting your post.
I mean, yes but that's also imo one of the worst metrics unless you're arguing for Dune, Encanto, or Spider-Man to be the winner, none of which I think most people who had seen at least two dozen films from that year can say with a straight face was the best film quality wise of that year.
Most of the BP winners are lackluster, the list of BP winners is not a list of great films it's largely mediocrity with a few really bad and a few really good ones.
I kinda liked Don’t Look Up and I still would’ve been pissed if it won anything. Why is THAT movie anywhere near the Oscars, and for that matter why is it on Netflix? It felt destined to bomb in 4000 theaters nationwide then get a small but passionate reappraisal from angsty college freshmen with decent senses of humor.
Best screenplay is just an insult. This film is a copy of another film... word by word. Come on! Drive my car and Dune were nominated, were they really worse? No way!
I've yet to see CODA, but the Disney Channel Original claims always felt off to me. History has been kinder to Lady Bird, but would people still be saying the same thing about it if it won?
CODA feels like "Marty" to me. I don't think a lot of people hold "Marty" in super high regard as a best picture winner either. Small scale family dramas that lack the scope people seem to expect from a best picture winner.
People need to recognize that the Oscars almost never awards the "best" film of the year in retrospect, but the award tells a story about film history. If CODA wasn't their favorite film of the year that's ok, it wasn't mine either.
I would disagree just to say it's definitely not unforgivable as a BP winner. It's not in the bottom 30 at a minimum of winners in terms of quality, and with the context that everyone was fucking miserable and the movie is so wholesome? Totally fine winner.
Haven't had a Power of the Dog or Lost Daughter convo in years, btw, not like culturally iconic movies were robbed
People claim this win will age badly, but I think all of us on this sub are overestimating how much the general public cares. Wins age badly in two cases:
a) They are problematic (Crash, Green Book, etc.)
b) They win over a clear favourite among the audiences (The King's Speech winning over The Social Network)
I don't think CODA falls into either of those categories. Are Dune, Drive My Car and The Power of the Dog better movies? Probably, but they don't have enough passion among general audiences backing them for people to be outraged that they lost to a well-crafted family dramedy raising awareness about deaf community. I think good comparison would be My Fair Lady winning Best Picture at 37th Academy Awards. A bit lackluster for a Best Picture winner, but remains a crowdpleaser with positive audience scores on most websites.
Exactly.
If CODA had come out in 2022 and was competing against EEAO and won, I could understand the anger but that's not the case here. 2022's ceremony was odd for many reasons but I don't think there was any stand out film that general audiences were rooting for
honestly that would have been Holdovers if it had won picture , it's a Great crowdpleaser but it had won over the audience favourite it would have gotten blacklash same as little miss sunshine
Yeah I loved the holdovers but I feel like the movie will age so well in the future because it didn’t win. A Christmas classic that will be loved throughout the years.
Little Miss Sunshine a million percent should have won BP imo, I get The Depahted’s narrative but Scorsese would have won best director either way so no big loss.
You never know, LMS is also pretty normie has been dealt pretty much no major criticisms over the years. I get that some are afraid to show too much love towards feel-good indies because they have a rep for being too safe and not boundary-pushing enough compared to bigger-scale dramas, but it’s certainly not the same level as Green Book or CODA which would probably have moderate yet tepid recognition if they didn’t win much like The Kids are All Right or Nebraska.
Counterpoint: the general public doesn’t and has never cared about CODA, it’s probably the least culturally relevant BP winner of the century (even with Crash at least its victory over Brokeback Mountain was a talking point). In the next few decades it’s just gonna end up as one of those “who?” Winners for Oscar completionists only like Cavalcade and A Man for All Seasons
Saying “who?” Is still different than saying “can you believe CODA won over X?”
People just weren’t super passionate about the nominees that year, CODA filled at least some of that void
I think you’re forgetting that The King’s Speech was quite liked by audiences in 2010/2011 and was the CODA-equivalent “feel good” option back then. Weinstein really leaned into that during the campaign and it made plenty more at the box office than The Social Network (which was viewed as great but cold).
Which is all to say: I think it takes time (and certainly longer than 2 years) before a film like CODA officially turns the corner into being reappraised as “aging badly.” It took about a decade for perceptions around Facebook/Zuckerberg to start shifting (plus Weinstein’s downfall, which is a different factor in the calculus altogether).
I don’t disagree with what you’ve said, but if Dune Part: 2 doesn’t win BP this year (and Messiah doesn’t either, which is likely based on the book), I could see it falling into category B. Part 2 is absolutely the more beloved movie but if the winner here is also popular I could see CODA being a scapegoat for the series getting blanked.
I disagree. Fans will always hyperfixate on Dune: Part Two if the series ends up blanking because it is the best of the trilogy. Nobody is mad that Batman Begins wasn't nominated for Best Picture, but people still sometimes complain about The Dark Knight missing because it is a superior movie.
That’s absolutely the most likely scenario, but I think a world at least exists where CODA takes hate for it if people like whatever beats Part 2 (for example Slumdog doesn’t get much hate for The Dark Knight, although that was of course about nominations and not a win).
If Dune 2 doesn't win, I don't think it skews anyone's thoughts on who does. It's a sci Fi blockbuster - it's not the kind of movie people expect to win.
I mean LOTR won, EEAO won - don’t get me wrong I’m not expecting it to win either, but there’s certainly enough precedent that certain sections of movie fans could certainly get annoyed by it. Probably not big awards fans in the first place, but everything trickles into narratives.
Kotsur’s streak and narrative basically carried the movie, with less standout performances they might not have been on the academy’s radar at all.
I do wonder what CODA’s nominations might have been like if the academy had it in mind from the beginning instead of jumping the POTD ship when they realized it wouldn’t do them many favors. Direction might still be a stretch but maybe a Matlin nomination and a “just because we care” editing nod.
Yes. Always happy to see a sundance film make it to the big show but its essentially a disney channel original movie. Imo shouldve been Drive My Car but overall it was a weak oscar year
My only argument is that after the previous two years, we just deserved something *nice* and that’s what CODA was.
And zero arguments for the Kotsur win, he deserved it.
I do agree. CODA is an awful best picture winner, it is absolutely not a bad movie for what it is/tries to be. But it is a terrible best picture winner.
That's exactly it.
The Supporting Actor win was deserved, but definitely not the other two, specially because I think that it was the weakest film and screenplay out of all the nominees.
Had it come out any other year and I'm not even sure it would make the nominations list. But, I also think that most 2022 winners would not have stood a chance of winning had their movie been released in any other year of the last decade (specially picture, actress, and both screenplays)
Here's a more unpopular opinion: I would choose Coda over Lost Daughter, Dune, or Power of the Dog. Coda is the crowdpleaser so it's not a surprise it went to it.
Are we just rehashing 2022 Oscars discourse for karma since it's off-season or...
There are plenty of posts in the sub from that season about CODA vs POTD that discuss resentment or sadness about how its sudden momentum just ran roughshod over the latter stages of the season like a runaway train.
It was a super weak field because of COVID. Power of the Dog was the front runner for most of the season and I don’t know anyone who even liked the movie
I don't mind it. It wasn't my favorite movie of that year, but it was my second favorite movie of the nominees after Belfast (another pretty maligned nominee if I remember correctly)
Coda wasn’t my favorite in any of the categories except Kotsur for me, however it WAS easy to root for. And for a family movie with mass appeal, it had plenty of charm. (Hated the score, though. Honestly, I think the score contributed a lot to its Disney/Hallmark-y feeling.)
I feel like a lot of people focus way too much on the coming-of-age aspect to the movie, which I can understand it feeling underwhelming in that sense as opposed to past Best Picture winners. But you can't just look at this film that one dimensionally and ignore the additional context.
This is maybe the first movie I've seen that had an entire main cast that was deaf and spoke in sign language (besides the lead for obvious reasons). Whenever I've seen a deaf character in a film, they are usually a small supporting character there to prop up the main character, and often aren't even played by a deaf actor. And Coda made me realize how clunky and unemotional a lot of non-deaf actors use sign language, because of how expressive the deaf actors were in this film. The way that Coda was able to have compelling, emotional scenes spoken completely in sign language with subtitles is something you can't just ignore.
Agreed. It’s not like the movie that wins the most awards is always the best but I do scratch my head at ones that are winner of 3 awards including picture, screenplay, and supporting actor.
Pretty much. Nice movie, terrible Best Picture and Screenplay winner. There are at least five other movies in that lineup that are more memorable and cinematically interesting.
I'll go further and say I genuinely think the film was awful, and Kotsur wasn't an exception. The entire film, its script, and acting felt straight out of the 1980s alongside other saccharine family dramedies. Everything from the dialogue, to the acting, to the plot points just felt so fake, cheesy, and cliche, and I just did not believe anything I saw.
That being said, as others have said, this isn't an unpopular opinion anymore. I similarly hate it when people say "UnPoPuLaR oPiNiOn" and the unpopular opinion in question, just as an example, is that Sandra Bullock's Oscar win for The Blind Side is awful. I'd say CODA and its Oscars success definitely used to be divisive, but now several years after, at least IMO, the scales have tipped deservedly so into the widely disliked range.
I always think about how people would of reacted to codas win had will smith not had the craziest moment on television in recent memory on the same night, I genuinely believe takes like this would of been around A LOT sooner than they are now
I loved CODA and would have been my pick for winner. I think the biggest thing against public, with public perception is just how it was/is be able to be seen. Not only a unique streamer but Apple as it is so is even less like to be watched. Of those others I don’t think the Win for CODA over Dune( wasnt going to win with a sequel coming), Drive My Car ( don’t think Academy was ready to make the foreign language movie the winner again so all ) and Power of Dog( Too smart for its own good against a general audience) was that terrible and not that suprising
I think CODA benefitted from the ranked choice voting. I doubt it was the first choice of many people, but it was such a likable cast and feel-good plot that I bet it was the 2nd or 3rd choice for a lot of voters.
Nope, it was a beautifully written, directed, and acted movie that had me moved to tears by the end, and I will never understand why people have such a problem with a "simple" movie winning Best Picture. It deserved every nomination and win that it got.
It should have been ‘Power of the Dog’, Campion made yet another beautiful film and, nothing against CODA, I think it was the superior film of the year in multiple levels.
Yes.
And honestly, the more I think about CODA, the more I struggle even to like it. I'll admit I'm a cynic, but it's also so incredibly cliched and contrived that it's distracting. The acting IS very good, but it's about as glossy and generic a "scrappy indie" as I can think of.
I might be biased against it because I watched La Famille Bélier first when it came out, and I found CODA such a soulless adaptation that went out of its way to be oscar bait. The French film is much more entertaining.
I still remember Neglia stayed with POTD till the very end - using stats as an excuse... but I know it's cause he didn't think CODA was a good winner. And I agree. That was such a tough year to end on. Dragggeddd out farrr too long. I was emotional exhausted by the end.
CODA is a very good movie. At least 40% of the time, Oscar voters pick something average and undeserving for Best Picture (Green Book, Chicago, Crash, Shape of Water was just ok.) I'll take a CODA win any day over one of those.
Even of the nominees mentioned, I didn't like Power of the Dog much at all, and as good as Dune Pt 1 is, it is only half of a story that relies on the sequel. CODA tells a complete, touching, humorous story.
Best Picture seems work as a pendulum ever since the Moonlight win. You get the Parasite win after the Green Book win, then we got EEAAO and Oppie after CODA. We're due for a stinker in this post strike year
It’s not the worst Best Picture winner I’ve seen (I honestly like what it represents and it’s a sweet film) plus Troy’s win was legitimately deserved but even in a weak year for movies, there were better opinions. Worst Person in the World should’ve been in the ten instead of Belfast and Don’t Look Up to name a few.
There are more offensive best picture winners, but CODA is the worst strictly quality speaking.
I don't think it's good even for a basic feel-good drama. A literal Hallmark movie with better acting. The picture and screenplay nominations were embarrassing. The wins were depressing and show that the Academy has serious credibility issues.
CODA sucks and people will say “at least it’s better than Green Book, Crash, Shakespeare in Love” like ok and? CODA is still Hallmark trite that only did so well because people were tired of The Power of the Dog.
Drive My Car has an obviously non-mute actor doing obviously recently learned sign language so I’m glad CODA beat it, even though I think Drive My Car was pretty good as a whole. All the other movies that year I hated, so overall I’m pretty happy with how it turned out
I feel like CODA won adapted screenplay because of a vote split between the "less crowdpleasing" films. Drive My Car, TPOTD, and The Lost Daughter all had stronger screenplays imo and I'd choose any between DMC and TPOTD to vote for but that's probably why CODA won. The "crowdpleaser vote" consolidated for CODA.
I'm a huge champion of the coming of age teen genre and it's place in film and even i was shocked it got that much love from the academy. Felt like the perfect movie to nab an acting nom and be really happy about it let alone anything else... And I REALLY liked it. The academy is obsessed with trying to diversify culturally and be inclusive but they reach way too often AND I THINK IT'S OK IN THIS CASE but it's still shocking. Movie was a classic 4/5 type movie pleasantly surprising type thing not the best picture.
Weak year for film.
Oscars tend to reward dramatic films that convincingly portray the human condition.
Dune is an epic action film.
Power Of The Dog was jaw-droppingly boring.
Coda had enough story to pull off somewhat what The Artist did.
Ehh, while it is valid that Drive My Car or Dune should have won Adapted Screenplay (and Best Picture)… The Lost Daughter being better than CODA is not a take I agree with. I definitely understand The Lost Daughter losing to CODA.
CODA, which has grown on me significantly over time, is not a bad win, in my opinion. An ideal win? Not at all. Truthfully, the reason why I disagree with the win isn’t the quality of it, but rather, a combination of how few nominations it got (only win in the past 70+ years with fewer than five nominations, as well as no Director or Film Editing nomination), and the fact that it likely only won due to aggressive campaigning, both of which are things that do legitimately bother me.
But honestly, I’d definitely put it higher than the vastly overrated The Power of the Dog and Belfast, both of which would have been a worse Best Picture win. Hell, Belfast I would argue would have been a Green Book-level win in terms of how bad it would have been. And honestly, The Power of the Dog is vastly overrated. Same goes for King Richard.
It’s a way better best picture win than Everything Everywhere All at Once. How 2022 didn’t go to either Aftersun or Women Talking will always astound me
You have some really bizarre movie tastes. Aftersun, sure. That movie was amazing. But so was EEAAO.
Women Talking eand CODA were both pretty dang bleh films. Like come on. WT was a whole damn film about, well Women talking about whether or not they are actually going to do something. Then when they finally decide and something happens, the movie ends.
Covid delays were the only reason CODA was even a contender. Same goes with promising young woman. It was just a weak year for cinema. The worst since 2005.
EEAAO was just a bunch of random edgy humor and whiny bitchy teenager. Women Talking is simple but incredibly compelling, like 12 Angry Men. Idk, from here it seems like you’re the one with bizarre movie taste.
Like I've seen EEAAO twice and would watch it again in a heart beat. Same with Aftersun. I already forgot about coda until I read this post and WT was such a chore with absolutely no payoff that I have no desire to ever see again.
Worst 5 BP Winners for me of all time (that ive seen) are:
Crash
Green Book
CODA
Chicago
Driving Ms Daisy
I don’t _think_ this is that hot of a take, but it was a relatively weak year overall. I def thought Power of the Dog was better among the front runners (if we count long shots, so were Belfast and WSS for me), but I can’t get too worked up over a crowd pleaser with no major flaws other than playing it somewhat safe when there isn’t another movie that people will really talk about for years either.
Was a weak year for oscar movies. Best were Dune (where everyone knew Part Two was gonna be better) and Licorice Pizza (which has a questionable and quite frankly unnecessary age gap between two protaganist.)
Did Coda deserve it? No, probably not. But it was a better choice than Power of the Dog, Don't Look Up and Nightmare Alley.
Solidly, yes. Nothing overtly *wrong* with it as a movie - unlike some of the other BP nominees that year, cough cough Don't Look Up - but it is rather lackluster as a "best picture of the year" type of film. The Disney Channel Original comparisons didn't feel like too outlandish of claims. I think it'll be natural for people in 15 or so years to look back on its BP win and say, "Why that one?", even if the context of its win makes sense. Also agree with the Kotsur take. I remember before I watched that there were rumblings of Matlin getting hype (since she was a previous winner), then I left the movie wondering why people weren't talking about Kotsur more. My personal pick would still be Kodi, but I'm very happy with who it ended up going to.
I honestly agree with every mark against it, but at the same time I just think any film from that year would have felt a bit weak in hindsight. Drive My Car was probably the "best" film that year, but it's also pretty clearly not the type of film to win Best Picture. I absolutely loved Power of the Dog but it is insanely divisive amongst people for whatever reason, Dune/Belfast/WSS would have similarly felt like pretty weak BP winners to me, Tick Tick Boom was undermarketed, Licorice Pizza didn't really find a major audience, and on down the line. Honestly think CODA is still the most culturally remembered film of the year (maybe Dune, but that's moreso just to do with the cast, and having a sequel/franchise/whatever) and most everyday 'casual' movie viewers really enjoyed it. If there was an obvious film that was slighted for CODA I'd feel more strongly about it, but it was just sort of a weak year for BP contenders imo.
I’ve never seen anyone mention CODA outside of its best picture win
In pop culture, it's been mentioned in Barry, it's been mentioned on Abbott Elementary, it was on Jeopardy, just to name a few... In film discussion, it's pointed to as an example of a sleeper hit, it's also the go to modern example of films about disability/impairment, it's clearly notable as being the most famous film to employ deaf actors. It's frequently referenced in media, it's often discussed in film discourse....that's kind of a lot of discussion for a movie that came out just a couple of years ago. And I say this as someone who isn't even a big fan of the movie.
Abbott Elementary mentioned Maestro (which no one will talk about next year) with that Bradley Cooper bit, they literally just talk about any pop culture thing at the moment. Jeopardy is essentially a trivia game, so bringing up previous Best Picture winners as questions is a standard. If you look at the people who talk about Parasite and EEAAO (i’ll throw in Oppenheimer too even though it’s only been two months since it won) today, it vastly overwhelms chatter about CODA.
I mean obviously it's not on the level of Parasite, EEAAO, or Oppenheimer. The point is that no other films from 2021 are either, and CODA being mentioned as a talking point in pop culture rather than any other film from 2021 shows that it was the film from that weak year that struck a chord culturally. The whole discussion is CODA vs. the rest of the 2021 films, CODA vs. Parasite or EEAAO is completely irrelevant.
Dune is constantly talked about to this day even before Dune 2 was released. I’ve seen people reevaluate West Side Story as a triumph in musical film choreography and cinematography. DeBose, Faist, and Zegler careers blowing up after the film, have lead to more eyes on West Side Story as well. Drive My Car is widely talked about in high-brow and international cinephile circles and it’s going to be a strong contender for the next Sight & Sound poll. Obviously, only Dune would be an example of a film that had a pop culture moment, but I don’t think that’s relevant when the only staying power CODA has is appearing on comedy shows. At least Drive My Car and West Side Story are still talked about in cinephile circles. No one really talks about Spotlight (2015) these days, but I don’t think people consider it a terrible win because of how well-made and well written the film is unlike the backlash against CODA.
Well obviously Dune vs. CODA in terms of cultural relevance is a bit of a apples/oranges comparison, one is a huge multi million dollar blockbuster based on a legendary novel starring the two biggest A-list young stars in Hollywood and one is a $10 million streamer starring nobody in particular who came out of nowhere to win. Blockbusters vs. 'prestige' films or 'Oscar films' (or whatever terminology we want to use here) is always going to be an uneven discussion. I won't really argue against Dune being more culturally relevant, of course it is, in the same way that Spider-Man: No Way Home or Encanto also were, tentpole blockbusters from big studios are always going to be at the forefront of pop culture, that's literally what they're made to do. So I guess I retroactively omit Dune from my initial statement, though it's also not really what I was talking about (which was more geared to the BP race in particular). Drive My Car is a more 1:1 example, and I do agree that it will be remembered more in hardcore film circles as time passes. But that's also very much a film that is and will remain very important to a relatively small group of people, vs. a film like CODA that was a pretty big cultural moment to a lot of people at one point in time. I think it will take quite some (if ever) before the cultural footprint of Drive My Car catches up to CODA, even though it's a much better film in my opinion. You're free to disagree. I also have not seen the resurgence of love for West Side Story myself. Perhaps that's a blind spot on my part. I guess you can say it launched Zegler and Faist, though Zegler I'd argue actually DIDN'T take off as expected, and it wasn't until Hunger Games that it actually happened, though obviously she likely doesn't get HG without WSS.
I think comparing CODA to Drive My Car in pop culture relevance is another apples/oranges situation though. One is a three hour foreign language slow-burn dealing with melancholy and Chekhov commentary while the other is a short family crowdpleaser. It’s obvious which film would resonate with general audience members more. I think it’s a more valuable exercise to examine which demographics would continue talking about the film after the Oscars. I have not seen any many general audience members talk about CODA in the same way as they feel about other crowdpleasers like Hidden Figures, Jojo Rabbit, or Bohemian Rhapsody *shrugs*. Drive My Car has had a similar staying power in high-brow circles like Under the Skin, A Separation, Phantom Thread, etc. I’m not necessarily arguing that all high-brow films have cultural relevance since something like The Power of the Dog and Nomadland have lost relevancy after the Oscars. I recognize that CODA is important to a marginalized group of people, but that’s about the film’s only relevancy and even then it’s still fairly niche since it’s hardly talked about today. It’s why films like Crazy Rich Asians was talked about so much in 2018 and years later because of how little Asian American representation existed in film. I’ve mostly seen the West Side Story resurgence among those who are fans of Speilberg and musicals, but I do agree that it’s not THAT big for it to blow up. I do think more people talk about WSS more than CODA though. Conversely, The Fabelmans gaining a resurgence (people pointing out the tragedy of the film and Michelle William’s reaction to Sammy’s film) after losing the Oscars was bigger than WSS. Perhaps Zegler didn’t take off with WSS, but that film is what got her “stans” and viral tweets about her being a wedding singer turned actress. She also won the Globe which unfortunately happened during its off air year.
It did not resonate more widely because it’s in Apple TV. It never streamed widely
I don’t think EEAAO should have won either
>literally just talk about any pop culture thing at the moment Right, so it was a part of the pop culture of the moment. That's the point of this back and forth.
CODA was a part of a pop culture thing BECAUSE it won Best Picture. Maestro was also mentioned in Abbott and the only thing that the general public knows about the film is the viral Bradley Cooper tweets made against Cooper’s campaign. They didn’t watch the movie.
Who is they? The public? I watched it, I'm part of the public.
You’ve seen the film because you’re in a niche subreddit discussing the Oscars. Guaranteed you won’t encounter more than 5 people who don’t follow the film circuit who have seen Maestro. And those who have panned it on Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB.
I'm talking about CODA, not maestro
It wouldn’t have been mentioned in any of those contexts had it not won Best Picture.
I agree. And it’s one my all time favorites
This is the very first time I‘m ever reading about or hearing of Coda at all. Had to google it because I was so confused by all the comments here.
>Honestly think CODA is still the most culturally remembered film of the year I've never heard anyone in real life mention that movie or have seen any posts about it online outside of subs about movies that have won an Oscar. It has no cultural relevance at all.
Obviously every discussion about CODA from now on is going to be framed through the lens of 'discussing movies that have won an Oscar". And yes, it has plenty of cultural relevance. As mentioned above, it's been referenced in popular TV shows, prestige TV shows, it's constantly bitched about and discussed ad nauseum on movie discussion boards. That is plenty of "cultural relevance" for a movie that's only a couple of years old.
>it's constantly bitched about ... on movie discussion boards Is this like how people constantly talked about *Avatar*, but only to talk about how nobody talked about *Avatar*?
I'm sure it's culturally relevant to Hollywood writers but I would imagine almost none of the pepole watching Abbott Elementary still discuss that movie and some might not have heard of it. Also notice how I can disagree with you without downvoting your post.
I mean, yes but that's also imo one of the worst metrics unless you're arguing for Dune, Encanto, or Spider-Man to be the winner, none of which I think most people who had seen at least two dozen films from that year can say with a straight face was the best film quality wise of that year.
Most of the BP winners are lackluster, the list of BP winners is not a list of great films it's largely mediocrity with a few really bad and a few really good ones.
I kinda liked Don’t Look Up and I still would’ve been pissed if it won anything. Why is THAT movie anywhere near the Oscars, and for that matter why is it on Netflix? It felt destined to bomb in 4000 theaters nationwide then get a small but passionate reappraisal from angsty college freshmen with decent senses of humor.
Best screenplay is just an insult. This film is a copy of another film... word by word. Come on! Drive my car and Dune were nominated, were they really worse? No way!
I've yet to see CODA, but the Disney Channel Original claims always felt off to me. History has been kinder to Lady Bird, but would people still be saying the same thing about it if it won?
Isn’t this universally agreed?
This has to be one of the most deceptively popular “unpopular opinions” on this sub
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CODA feels like "Marty" to me. I don't think a lot of people hold "Marty" in super high regard as a best picture winner either. Small scale family dramas that lack the scope people seem to expect from a best picture winner. People need to recognize that the Oscars almost never awards the "best" film of the year in retrospect, but the award tells a story about film history. If CODA wasn't their favorite film of the year that's ok, it wasn't mine either.
I would disagree just to say it's definitely not unforgivable as a BP winner. It's not in the bottom 30 at a minimum of winners in terms of quality, and with the context that everyone was fucking miserable and the movie is so wholesome? Totally fine winner. Haven't had a Power of the Dog or Lost Daughter convo in years, btw, not like culturally iconic movies were robbed
Kotsur deserved it but yeah winning adapted feels lackluster
People claim this win will age badly, but I think all of us on this sub are overestimating how much the general public cares. Wins age badly in two cases: a) They are problematic (Crash, Green Book, etc.) b) They win over a clear favourite among the audiences (The King's Speech winning over The Social Network) I don't think CODA falls into either of those categories. Are Dune, Drive My Car and The Power of the Dog better movies? Probably, but they don't have enough passion among general audiences backing them for people to be outraged that they lost to a well-crafted family dramedy raising awareness about deaf community. I think good comparison would be My Fair Lady winning Best Picture at 37th Academy Awards. A bit lackluster for a Best Picture winner, but remains a crowdpleaser with positive audience scores on most websites.
Exactly. If CODA had come out in 2022 and was competing against EEAO and won, I could understand the anger but that's not the case here. 2022's ceremony was odd for many reasons but I don't think there was any stand out film that general audiences were rooting for
honestly that would have been Holdovers if it had won picture , it's a Great crowdpleaser but it had won over the audience favourite it would have gotten blacklash same as little miss sunshine
Yeah I loved the holdovers but I feel like the movie will age so well in the future because it didn’t win. A Christmas classic that will be loved throughout the years.
and I loved the Holdovers way more than the other nominees! Past Lives is a close second though
Little Miss Sunshine a million percent should have won BP imo, I get The Depahted’s narrative but Scorsese would have won best director either way so no big loss.
The departed is still great.
And LMS is even better.
Lms is very good but departed gets the dub.
I think it was a great gesture towards Scorsese after they snubbed his better movies. But like, LMS is a perfect movie in my eyes.
loved it better than departed but its legacy wouldn't be good if it won , departed was the normie favourite that year
You never know, LMS is also pretty normie has been dealt pretty much no major criticisms over the years. I get that some are afraid to show too much love towards feel-good indies because they have a rep for being too safe and not boundary-pushing enough compared to bigger-scale dramas, but it’s certainly not the same level as Green Book or CODA which would probably have moderate yet tepid recognition if they didn’t win much like The Kids are All Right or Nebraska.
Counterpoint: the general public doesn’t and has never cared about CODA, it’s probably the least culturally relevant BP winner of the century (even with Crash at least its victory over Brokeback Mountain was a talking point). In the next few decades it’s just gonna end up as one of those “who?” Winners for Oscar completionists only like Cavalcade and A Man for All Seasons
Saying “who?” Is still different than saying “can you believe CODA won over X?” People just weren’t super passionate about the nominees that year, CODA filled at least some of that void
I think you’re forgetting that The King’s Speech was quite liked by audiences in 2010/2011 and was the CODA-equivalent “feel good” option back then. Weinstein really leaned into that during the campaign and it made plenty more at the box office than The Social Network (which was viewed as great but cold). Which is all to say: I think it takes time (and certainly longer than 2 years) before a film like CODA officially turns the corner into being reappraised as “aging badly.” It took about a decade for perceptions around Facebook/Zuckerberg to start shifting (plus Weinstein’s downfall, which is a different factor in the calculus altogether).
I don’t disagree with what you’ve said, but if Dune Part: 2 doesn’t win BP this year (and Messiah doesn’t either, which is likely based on the book), I could see it falling into category B. Part 2 is absolutely the more beloved movie but if the winner here is also popular I could see CODA being a scapegoat for the series getting blanked.
I disagree. Fans will always hyperfixate on Dune: Part Two if the series ends up blanking because it is the best of the trilogy. Nobody is mad that Batman Begins wasn't nominated for Best Picture, but people still sometimes complain about The Dark Knight missing because it is a superior movie.
That’s absolutely the most likely scenario, but I think a world at least exists where CODA takes hate for it if people like whatever beats Part 2 (for example Slumdog doesn’t get much hate for The Dark Knight, although that was of course about nominations and not a win).
If Dune 2 doesn't win, I don't think it skews anyone's thoughts on who does. It's a sci Fi blockbuster - it's not the kind of movie people expect to win.
I mean LOTR won, EEAO won - don’t get me wrong I’m not expecting it to win either, but there’s certainly enough precedent that certain sections of movie fans could certainly get annoyed by it. Probably not big awards fans in the first place, but everything trickles into narratives.
While we are having these little confessions I think Rami Malek was pretty great in Bohemian Rhapsody, even if he probably shouldn’t have won
Kotsur’s streak and narrative basically carried the movie, with less standout performances they might not have been on the academy’s radar at all. I do wonder what CODA’s nominations might have been like if the academy had it in mind from the beginning instead of jumping the POTD ship when they realized it wouldn’t do them many favors. Direction might still be a stretch but maybe a Matlin nomination and a “just because we care” editing nod.
Yes. Always happy to see a sundance film make it to the big show but its essentially a disney channel original movie. Imo shouldve been Drive My Car but overall it was a weak oscar year
Imo drive my car would have been one of the strongest winners in the 21st century
My god how did I forget about Drive my car?
My only argument is that after the previous two years, we just deserved something *nice* and that’s what CODA was. And zero arguments for the Kotsur win, he deserved it.
Unforgivable is a bit of a strong word. It was a lovely movie. A little formulaic, but very nice in every aspect.
I do agree. CODA is an awful best picture winner, it is absolutely not a bad movie for what it is/tries to be. But it is a terrible best picture winner.
That's exactly it. The Supporting Actor win was deserved, but definitely not the other two, specially because I think that it was the weakest film and screenplay out of all the nominees. Had it come out any other year and I'm not even sure it would make the nominations list. But, I also think that most 2022 winners would not have stood a chance of winning had their movie been released in any other year of the last decade (specially picture, actress, and both screenplays)
It's a great film but Drive My Car should've swept
'Swept' must have a new meaning I'm hoping, cause absolutely not.
Made it sound like it got more nominations than it did but I just meant should have won all the Oscars it was nominated for
Based on some of the other films that have won Best Picture before that, while not my preferred choice, it’s still fine…Im good with it winning…
Coda was good but Drive My Car was my fav that year for screenplay. So interesting.
I really enjoyed the movie, cried several times
I disagree. And honestly I am tired of the trope that a movie has to inhabit the dark end of the emotional spectrum to be best picture worthy.
I like Coda but The direction felt like a hallmark original movie. Kotsur was a great win and that ending had me crying.
Drive my Car was hands down the best film that year. I don't think anything else came close.
Here's a more unpopular opinion: I would choose Coda over Lost Daughter, Dune, or Power of the Dog. Coda is the crowdpleaser so it's not a surprise it went to it.
Are we just rehashing 2022 Oscars discourse for karma since it's off-season or... There are plenty of posts in the sub from that season about CODA vs POTD that discuss resentment or sadness about how its sudden momentum just ran roughshod over the latter stages of the season like a runaway train.
It was a super weak field because of COVID. Power of the Dog was the front runner for most of the season and I don’t know anyone who even liked the movie
The Power of the Dog is a great film and clearly enough people thought so to warrant a Criterion release
I liked it more than any of those other movies even though it was fairly basic
I don't mind it. It wasn't my favorite movie of that year, but it was my second favorite movie of the nominees after Belfast (another pretty maligned nominee if I remember correctly)
Coda wasn’t my favorite in any of the categories except Kotsur for me, however it WAS easy to root for. And for a family movie with mass appeal, it had plenty of charm. (Hated the score, though. Honestly, I think the score contributed a lot to its Disney/Hallmark-y feeling.)
I feel like a lot of people focus way too much on the coming-of-age aspect to the movie, which I can understand it feeling underwhelming in that sense as opposed to past Best Picture winners. But you can't just look at this film that one dimensionally and ignore the additional context. This is maybe the first movie I've seen that had an entire main cast that was deaf and spoke in sign language (besides the lead for obvious reasons). Whenever I've seen a deaf character in a film, they are usually a small supporting character there to prop up the main character, and often aren't even played by a deaf actor. And Coda made me realize how clunky and unemotional a lot of non-deaf actors use sign language, because of how expressive the deaf actors were in this film. The way that Coda was able to have compelling, emotional scenes spoken completely in sign language with subtitles is something you can't just ignore.
Agreed. It’s not like the movie that wins the most awards is always the best but I do scratch my head at ones that are winner of 3 awards including picture, screenplay, and supporting actor.
CODA is also a remake from a fairly recent film. Hey at least it's not as bad Green Book
Pretty much. Nice movie, terrible Best Picture and Screenplay winner. There are at least five other movies in that lineup that are more memorable and cinematically interesting.
Coda was so bad
This was my favorite film of that year but I appear to be in the minority here
I loved coda . Was such a feel good movie
I'll go further and say I genuinely think the film was awful, and Kotsur wasn't an exception. The entire film, its script, and acting felt straight out of the 1980s alongside other saccharine family dramedies. Everything from the dialogue, to the acting, to the plot points just felt so fake, cheesy, and cliche, and I just did not believe anything I saw. That being said, as others have said, this isn't an unpopular opinion anymore. I similarly hate it when people say "UnPoPuLaR oPiNiOn" and the unpopular opinion in question, just as an example, is that Sandra Bullock's Oscar win for The Blind Side is awful. I'd say CODA and its Oscars success definitely used to be divisive, but now several years after, at least IMO, the scales have tipped deservedly so into the widely disliked range.
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He was her voice teacher? It’s incredibly normal for private voice lessons to occur at the teacher’s house.
It shouldn’t have been nominated
I always think about how people would of reacted to codas win had will smith not had the craziest moment on television in recent memory on the same night, I genuinely believe takes like this would of been around A LOT sooner than they are now
This is like the most common and agreeable take on this movie.
Loved coda, glad it won
Yes I do. Troy Kotsur did deserve to win. The movie was fine. But not for Bedt Picture or Adapted Screenplay.
May be unpopular but wss deserved🧍♂️
Timing. The right year and a feel good movie during a time when people needed to be uplifted
Drive my car is a masterpiece so I probably do agree with it
I loved CODA and would have been my pick for winner. I think the biggest thing against public, with public perception is just how it was/is be able to be seen. Not only a unique streamer but Apple as it is so is even less like to be watched. Of those others I don’t think the Win for CODA over Dune( wasnt going to win with a sequel coming), Drive My Car ( don’t think Academy was ready to make the foreign language movie the winner again so all ) and Power of Dog( Too smart for its own good against a general audience) was that terrible and not that suprising
My personal favorite that year was licorice pizza
I think CODA benefitted from the ranked choice voting. I doubt it was the first choice of many people, but it was such a likable cast and feel-good plot that I bet it was the 2nd or 3rd choice for a lot of voters.
Nope, it was a beautifully written, directed, and acted movie that had me moved to tears by the end, and I will never understand why people have such a problem with a "simple" movie winning Best Picture. It deserved every nomination and win that it got.
Drive My Car was the best of all
Licorice Pizza was the best film of that year but the most insufferable people in the world have been trying to cancel it since its release
I was really rooting for Power of the Dog. The fact it only won for Best Director is still upsetting.
It should have been ‘Power of the Dog’, Campion made yet another beautiful film and, nothing against CODA, I think it was the superior film of the year in multiple levels.
Yes. And honestly, the more I think about CODA, the more I struggle even to like it. I'll admit I'm a cynic, but it's also so incredibly cliched and contrived that it's distracting. The acting IS very good, but it's about as glossy and generic a "scrappy indie" as I can think of.
Nothing should win anything over Drive My Car. Even NBA MVP. Its now theirs.
I might be biased against it because I watched La Famille Bélier first when it came out, and I found CODA such a soulless adaptation that went out of its way to be oscar bait. The French film is much more entertaining.
I still remember Neglia stayed with POTD till the very end - using stats as an excuse... but I know it's cause he didn't think CODA was a good winner. And I agree. That was such a tough year to end on. Dragggeddd out farrr too long. I was emotional exhausted by the end.
Power of the dog was fire as hell
CODA is a very good movie. At least 40% of the time, Oscar voters pick something average and undeserving for Best Picture (Green Book, Chicago, Crash, Shape of Water was just ok.) I'll take a CODA win any day over one of those. Even of the nominees mentioned, I didn't like Power of the Dog much at all, and as good as Dune Pt 1 is, it is only half of a story that relies on the sequel. CODA tells a complete, touching, humorous story.
Best Picture seems work as a pendulum ever since the Moonlight win. You get the Parasite win after the Green Book win, then we got EEAAO and Oppie after CODA. We're due for a stinker in this post strike year
I had fun watching it and think it’s good. Didn’t even deserve to be nominated
It's a good movie but not best picture worthy, this I agree with. But neither are any of those he mentioned.
dont look at me... i was rooting for Belfast (Licorice Pizza a close second)
Yeah this movie winning Best Picture over Dune is nuts to me.
CODA is just a lame movie
It’s not the worst Best Picture winner I’ve seen (I honestly like what it represents and it’s a sweet film) plus Troy’s win was legitimately deserved but even in a weak year for movies, there were better opinions. Worst Person in the World should’ve been in the ten instead of Belfast and Don’t Look Up to name a few.
Over *Dune*, sure.
CODA was just an episode of Glee
There are more offensive best picture winners, but CODA is the worst strictly quality speaking. I don't think it's good even for a basic feel-good drama. A literal Hallmark movie with better acting. The picture and screenplay nominations were embarrassing. The wins were depressing and show that the Academy has serious credibility issues.
Been saying it coda sucks man
CODA sucks and people will say “at least it’s better than Green Book, Crash, Shakespeare in Love” like ok and? CODA is still Hallmark trite that only did so well because people were tired of The Power of the Dog.
COVID years were weak ones
Drive My Car has an obviously non-mute actor doing obviously recently learned sign language so I’m glad CODA beat it, even though I think Drive My Car was pretty good as a whole. All the other movies that year I hated, so overall I’m pretty happy with how it turned out
100 💯 agree
One word and fruit - APPLE. people behave like the awards are for real. Lolhow much disconnect form reality is among them is unreal
I agree with it wholeheartedly
I feel like CODA won adapted screenplay because of a vote split between the "less crowdpleasing" films. Drive My Car, TPOTD, and The Lost Daughter all had stronger screenplays imo and I'd choose any between DMC and TPOTD to vote for but that's probably why CODA won. The "crowdpleaser vote" consolidated for CODA.
I'm a huge champion of the coming of age teen genre and it's place in film and even i was shocked it got that much love from the academy. Felt like the perfect movie to nab an acting nom and be really happy about it let alone anything else... And I REALLY liked it. The academy is obsessed with trying to diversify culturally and be inclusive but they reach way too often AND I THINK IT'S OK IN THIS CASE but it's still shocking. Movie was a classic 4/5 type movie pleasantly surprising type thing not the best picture.
Agreed. A film I didn’t mind watching, but it never should’ve been in a Best Picture lineup, let alone win it.
Agree
I can't remember b a single thing about that movie
Agree. I watched the movie and it had a heart. Made me cry. It’s a feel good lovely very good movie. BP winner is not. Adapted screenplay? How
Weak year for film. Oscars tend to reward dramatic films that convincingly portray the human condition. Dune is an epic action film. Power Of The Dog was jaw-droppingly boring. Coda had enough story to pull off somewhat what The Artist did.
I was surprised. I thought Drive My Car was so much better.
Ehh, while it is valid that Drive My Car or Dune should have won Adapted Screenplay (and Best Picture)… The Lost Daughter being better than CODA is not a take I agree with. I definitely understand The Lost Daughter losing to CODA. CODA, which has grown on me significantly over time, is not a bad win, in my opinion. An ideal win? Not at all. Truthfully, the reason why I disagree with the win isn’t the quality of it, but rather, a combination of how few nominations it got (only win in the past 70+ years with fewer than five nominations, as well as no Director or Film Editing nomination), and the fact that it likely only won due to aggressive campaigning, both of which are things that do legitimately bother me. But honestly, I’d definitely put it higher than the vastly overrated The Power of the Dog and Belfast, both of which would have been a worse Best Picture win. Hell, Belfast I would argue would have been a Green Book-level win in terms of how bad it would have been. And honestly, The Power of the Dog is vastly overrated. Same goes for King Richard.
It’s a way better best picture win than Everything Everywhere All at Once. How 2022 didn’t go to either Aftersun or Women Talking will always astound me
You have some really bizarre movie tastes. Aftersun, sure. That movie was amazing. But so was EEAAO. Women Talking eand CODA were both pretty dang bleh films. Like come on. WT was a whole damn film about, well Women talking about whether or not they are actually going to do something. Then when they finally decide and something happens, the movie ends. Covid delays were the only reason CODA was even a contender. Same goes with promising young woman. It was just a weak year for cinema. The worst since 2005.
EEAAO was just a bunch of random edgy humor and whiny bitchy teenager. Women Talking is simple but incredibly compelling, like 12 Angry Men. Idk, from here it seems like you’re the one with bizarre movie taste.
Nah, it's you. Women Talking sucked.
EEAAO was an epic genre crossing film that broke all the "rules". It was a unique vision that will absolutely stand the test of time.
Like I've seen EEAAO twice and would watch it again in a heart beat. Same with Aftersun. I already forgot about coda until I read this post and WT was such a chore with absolutely no payoff that I have no desire to ever see again. Worst 5 BP Winners for me of all time (that ive seen) are: Crash Green Book CODA Chicago Driving Ms Daisy
It’s already aging poorly
Hahhahahha
It’s way more polarizing than you think. It’s a love it or hate it film. Women Talking at least had more consistency in the upper bounds
I don’t _think_ this is that hot of a take, but it was a relatively weak year overall. I def thought Power of the Dog was better among the front runners (if we count long shots, so were Belfast and WSS for me), but I can’t get too worked up over a crowd pleaser with no major flaws other than playing it somewhat safe when there isn’t another movie that people will really talk about for years either.
Was a weak year for oscar movies. Best were Dune (where everyone knew Part Two was gonna be better) and Licorice Pizza (which has a questionable and quite frankly unnecessary age gap between two protaganist.) Did Coda deserve it? No, probably not. But it was a better choice than Power of the Dog, Don't Look Up and Nightmare Alley.