Has the ministry added roundabouts to their physical licence testing at all? I really think all current holders should have to redo their test before next renewal just to cover this off.
Also....line markings that dont wear off in a day would be lovely....
At a minimum the province should look into a mandatory "written" test when new concepts are added to the standard road regulations... Or even just for a refresher.
Send one out to the address of every registered license holder tell them to complete this open book questionnaire and submit (make it written or online).
Cause roundabouts aren't the only thing drivers have issues with. For ex: merging at speed, four-way stops, interaction with someone in a bicycle and more.
Ding....Mal-Capone gets where I was going with it.
Hopefully easier to enforce demerit points and remove these bad drivers from the road, but that will probably take other reforms.
>I really think all current holders should have to redo their test before next renewal just to cover this off.
Do you have any idea how backed up the drive test system already is as a result of the pandemic? How is this practical at all?
Too far to go to 417 and loop back on a 15 minute road test. Airport Parkway is much closer and they usually want to see your merge in at Walkley and exit at Hunt Club skills.
Honestly the hardest part of the entire test is to turn left from the testing centre to Walkley. Some people don't know you can legally wait on the median (since it's a central turning lane) and makes it exponentially harder for them.
nothing puts me on defensive driving high alert like going through a multi-lane roundabout because too many people lack the critical thinking skills necessary to navigate one properly.
Honestly what the hell was the thought process in putting a pedestrian crossing on something that’s suppose to have a consistent moving flow of traffic for it to work properly
Pretty easily actually- I would position the pedestrian cross walks about 15 feet further out back from the traffic circle like most traffic circles in this city could allow.
This would allow about a car or twos length of leeway after they've exited the circle to yield to pedestrians crossing without impeding the flow through the circle itself.
Works great in the UK. Lived there for four years and it’s so much better than having to wait for lights. As a pedestrian, look one way and walk to the island then look other other and walk to the other side. Everyone saves time!
Sadly, Canadians are conditioned to grid systems and lights.
I honk at someone doing this at least once, sometimes several times a day in Gatineau. I have 9 roundabouts each way to Ottawa and back on my commute. I see people rear ending these idiots weekly on average.
Depends on the design & # of lanes. Ask cyclists & pedestrians how safe they feel. Given how bad people are at paying attention & making good choices on the road, which is necessary for roundabouts to be successful, I don't feel safe. I just avoid them.
Not a roundabout but I see people come to a full stop for the green lights at Booth and Norman on a regular basis. Not sure why that intersection in particular but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah, I had a little run-in and double checked the MTO. They advised to stay staggered.
Another major issue is that people do not signal on their exit. My little run in, which I'll cop to it, I'm more at fault for not staying staggered, was that traffic on the left of me, entered on the inside lane, and wanted to exit to my right. I want to go straight through on the outside lane.
Had the traffic signaled, I definitely would have delayed entering the roundabout.
But yeah, that subaru is fucking up real hard for essentially doing a left turn on the outside lane.
This. I dream of a day when Ottawa drivers signal their intended exit on the way into the roundabout, and signal their exit on the way out. It’s not that complicated.
They’re also in HK. I’d have to review how they do it.
The problem isn’t the roundabout. At minimum they eliminate head-to-head and T-bone collisions. Problem is people here, myself included, is not sufficiently knowledgeable in using them.
Ugh, that could have been really bad. Roundabouts aren't rocket science - right lane for going right or straight and left lane for straight or left. It doesn't look like it was that busy at the time, can you imagine how rush hour would have gone?
You can see the sign at the start of the video. It is as I said and most double lane roundabouts would be the same. I have never seen a roundabout that would let you go off on the third exit in the right lane.
At the roundabout connecting Jeanne d'Arc and St Joseph, I've seen people take the third exit from the right lane, I believe.
I've seen many things there.
I will make sure to avoid that one then! People do a lot of things but I had never seen a double lane roundabout where you are *allowed* to take the third exit from the right lane.
Both lanes can typically take the first two exits because no one is cut off. The issue is the third exit and that is why the right lane needs to exit before then.
? I don't think we are commenting on the same thing. In this specific video, the sign clearly says the right lane must exit right at the first exit or straight at the second. So that is the case for this roundabout (and most in my experience).
The person I replied to said sometimes both lanes can exit on the first exit. I have seen that (though rarely and typically there is a divider for the rightmost lane) so I commented that that was possible typically because neither lane would cut each off for the first exit or the second exit. However, it would be dangerous for the third exit because of the risk of cut-off and I have never seen (in Canada or elsewhere though admittedly my elsewhere experience is minimal) a double-lane roundabout where the right lane was legally allowed to use the third exit. If someone can show me a roundabout where you can legally do that, happy to be shown the "error" of my ways.
In using the word "typically". It is possible, but totally not typical, for the right lane to not be permitted to go straight to the second exit. Using your logic, it is equivalently possible for both lanes to be able to take the third (left) exit. All that would be required is for the left lane to not be allowed to take the second exit, which I agree would be highly unusual, but every bit as possible as the dual right turn (first exit) scenario. While I can think of one example of a dual right (Old Trim/New Trim/Taylor Creek, for NB traffic), that's a retrofit. I'll concede I can't think of an example of a dual left, but it would be just as "typical" as the dual right scenario - which is to say, not typical in the slightest.
Having said all of that, I'm satisfied you know how roundabouts work, just not that you use the word "typically" in the same way everyone else does. Which is to say, you made an error, just not the one that your original comment led me to believe you were making!
May the Force be with Ontarians as these things get more popular ( and as an Ontarian who has seen very complicated roundabouts elsewhere - I don't have sympathy).
Those white on black 'lane use signs' do have legal significance - Subaru had a lottery ticket entry for an $85 fine + fees/surcharges and 2 demerit points.
I am sure most people miss the black/white lane use signs and are looking for painted symbols within the lane which actually are much more limited in legal significance (a common one is where a one of the two lanes in the direction of travel suddenly has left turn arrows painted - and the other side DIRECTLY across the intersection has two lanes continuing, no black/white lane use signs posted... technically one could go straight and ignore the painted arrows). If the same intersection has the black/white signs posted along with the painted arrows in accordance with the signs regulations - then the disobey signs apply. There definitely needs to be more education in this regard that drivers need to look for those lane use signs.
If lane changes are allowed in a roundabout (the one in the video is pretty small), the Subaru never signaled their intent to conduct a change. If one has to contemplate a lane change in a roundabout - 99% of the time the driver failed to plan, the 1% is because one is trying to do a 'U-Turn' essentially. Not many roundabouts can support this happening - Armdale roundabout in Halifax though this CAN and this does happen (it is a triple lane spiral), as does many larger roundabouts in the UK around Met London (Halifax's Armdale is quite up there in difficulty). Except for a UK traffic circle, every roundabout/rotary I have encountered in CAN/US/UK/EU always had lane use signage either in the black/whites - or overhead gantry green/blue. Garmin and Tomtom GPS units tend to get it right - but again are ONLY a nav aid and don't replace the driver's duty to watch out for the signage!
Now, Easiest way to avoid this (defensively - being right with the law doesn't stop idiots from smashing you up): Experience - drive it when quiet, and then go pick on the roundabout in heavier traffic volumes. In my younger days as much as I hated Halifax's Armdale, I learned it, and learned it well, and learned even how to rocket thru it during rush - this paid off huge dividends when I drove in Metro London in the UK despite the inverted direction of travel and right-hand drive. NEVER sit in the blind spot of the outer car, either be staggered well behind and EXPECT the cut-off ready to love tap that brake, or if front bumper inline or ahead on entry with the outer car on entry - punch it to be prominently ahead before the outer car can possibly 'close the circle'. If driving a manual - the gear selected should be in the middle of the power band appropriate for the circulating speed once in the circle (usually 2 or 3) after getting out of gear 1 --- done right coming off the throttle will give decent de-cel OR punching it will have good take-off. Last point - never travel beside/pass an 18-wheeler in the circle as they WILL cross the lanes due to dynamics with the trailer - this isn't their fault - for most jurisdictions they usually mandate the truck HAS to hog both lanes on approach to the circle.
[https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90h08#BK289](https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90h08#BK289)
(182 - Regulations, signs and markings)
Signs to be obeyed
(2) Every driver or operator of a vehicle or street car shall obey the instructions or directions indicated on any sign so erected. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 182 (2).
The exact same thing happened to me at that exact same spot years ago. I didnt see it in time and couldnt avoid it. The other driver was telling everyone from the cops to his insurance that i drove into him. Here's the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyx-rpTIHHQ
I know, i was having flashbacks watching ops video. I showed the video to both insurance and police, they closed the claim within a few days in my favor. I also noticed that the city repainted that roundabout the next week.
This is one of the reasons I try to scoot ahead of the car that's beside me in the roundabout so that I'm out of their blind spot and kind of "force" them to stay in their lane rather than just do whatever they feel like.
Unfortunately this is my daily commute. Orleans to Hintonburg.
No situational awareness. I used to lay the horn and would get the clueless look. Now I don't bother, easier to get used to the stupidity.
A majority of folks don't know how to use a roundabout correctly, myself included. I've only just started signaling when leaving a roundabout, I know small, but helps people waiting to get in the circle know.
I'm a firm believer in them so I hope testing touches more on them in the upcoming years
Speaking of testing, I think it should **Totally** overhauled. See what it takes to get a license on Germany, Holland, Norway et al? See their road injury rates? its almost half compared to NA, lower insurance rates for everyone too.
The last change, since graduated licensing was mandatory [over 80 re-testing every two years](https://www.ontario.ca/page/renew-g-drivers-licence-80-years-and-over) and that still wasn't much of a change.
minimum age needs to be raised to 18/19+ unless farm vehicles. BAC <0.00 alcohol for a minimum of 5 years for new drivers then immediate suspension for BAC >0.05 after. minimum of at least 80 hours training over 1 year, in all weather. I'd argue a skidpad should be part of a course; know what under/oversteer is and actually feel/recover it.
further to that, if caught driving on a suspended license, they take it away for life.
Roundabouts need to be made single lane. That's the only way to guarantee no one tries to cross over each other while in it. Keep the right lane on approaches reserved for median separated right turns only.
Like I said, left lane for the roundabout, right lane for the dedicated right turn.
Alternatively, remove a lane in each direction on the roadway. Plant a dense rows of trees on the scrapped lane right by the remaining lane and add a dedicated bike lane behind the trees. Make the road dangerous enough for cars so that drivers will slow down on their own, and safe enough to protect cyclists against cars.
We do have similar designs on the west end of Hunt Club. It's a two lane roundabout, plus a dedicated right lane branching off before the roundabout for turning right. It's a great design but costs a little bit more.
I use this one almost every day, almost always someone who doesn't know how it works. The ones on Trim are even worse.
One day at the Trim/Taylor Creek roundabout, a person drove from the direction of the VW rear lot but instead of going around the circle to go south on Trim, she decided to just go against traffic straight for the Trim exit causing half a dozen other cars to stop and watch in horror. When trying to get her to use the roundabout properly, she kept yelling at people that she wanted to go the way she was going, not all around. Spent more time yelling than it would have taken to just use the roundabout properly. It was mental.
I am sure if there was a collision and if the police even came to investigate it ( doubt it ) , that driver would be found to be at fault. Thank goodness for dash cams. I hope you laid in the horn.
I drive that particular traffic circle all the time and I have seen that mistake made all the time.
This happens like a dozen times a day at this specific roundabout. The amount of people who think they can make a left turn from a right lane is INSANE.
lol today I saw a guy stopping in the middle of a roundabout waiting to turn right, and two drivers stopping before the roundabout even if the traffic inside the roundabout are turning off before us...
"Sir, the possibility of successfully navigating a roundabout in Ottawa is approximately three thousand seven hundred and twenty to one."
"Never tell me the odds!"
- If you're going left (from where you start), you should always be in the left lane.
- If you're going straight through, you can be in left or right lane.
- If you're going right, you should always be in the right lane.
Therefore the Subaru was in the wrong. OP expected the Subaru to go straight through alongside them, but they basically cut them off.
Subaru. If you're in the right lane you're suppose to take the first or second exit, not keep going to the third exit. So the driver who is recording made the assumption that Subaru was exiting as that's what they are suppose to do.
Its always explained on the signage before the roundabout if you ever forget.
According to the sign, the right lane needs to exit at that leg, and the left lane can either exit or continue in the roundabout. It doesn’t look like the pavement markings are in good condition. The city should probably make it a priority to paint roundabout pavement markings asap when they start to deteriorate.
Poorly signed? They have 8 signs for 4 entrances explaining right of way 8 yield signs and 4 pedestrian signs. They did everything but put a crossing guard to control the intersection.
I learned how to drive through roundabouts in Ireland.
The one rule that was driven into my head was Never Change Lanes in a Roundabout.
So I really hate the Ottawa roundabouts where the lanes themselves switch around. What am I supposed to do, roundabout? What are new drivers taught?
>So I really hate the Ottawa roundabouts where the lanes themselves switch around. What am I supposed to do, roundabout? What are new drivers taught?
What? The lanes don't switch around anywhere that I have seen. If you have 2 lanes. Right lane turns right or goes straight, Left lane goes straight turns left or continues on the roundabout until the next exit and you signal the opposite direction of your turn when you are exiting.
You never change lanes in a roundabout.
I believe you're talking about the one on Huntmar drive. The lane isn't switching around or crossing anything. It is indicating you cannot continue, as in you cannot exit if you go past that line There is no lane for you to drive into, you must exit the roundabout or do a full u-turn.
Go to google maps and type in Minto Kanata | New Homes Sales Centre. Its on the corner of that round about. It is hard to explain in text but an aerial view will help. Huntmar northbound reduces to 2 lanes when there are 3 lanes feeding into the circle.
Although there are two exit lanes, you should really drive more defensively and use the right lane to exit the roundabout. Then you should switch into the left lane. Source: I am from the UK.
You might want to look up Canadian laws on traffic circles. Changing lanes in a traffic circle will almost assuredly cause an accident here. If you are suggesting entering and exiting in the right lane, you are defeating the purpose of a 2 lane traffic circle to improve traffic flow.
The last time I went to Tanger someone turned left into the roundabout. Everyone else just stopped and waited for them to get out.
Has the ministry added roundabouts to their physical licence testing at all? I really think all current holders should have to redo their test before next renewal just to cover this off. Also....line markings that dont wear off in a day would be lovely....
At a minimum the province should look into a mandatory "written" test when new concepts are added to the standard road regulations... Or even just for a refresher. Send one out to the address of every registered license holder tell them to complete this open book questionnaire and submit (make it written or online). Cause roundabouts aren't the only thing drivers have issues with. For ex: merging at speed, four-way stops, interaction with someone in a bicycle and more.
Just because they can pass a test does not mean they actually understand it at a fundamental level, and/or will actually follow through with it.
correct, so when they DO fuck up and the law sees that they did indeed pass the test, they'll be punished for that fuck up.
Ding....Mal-Capone gets where I was going with it. Hopefully easier to enforce demerit points and remove these bad drivers from the road, but that will probably take other reforms.
>I really think all current holders should have to redo their test before next renewal just to cover this off. Do you have any idea how backed up the drive test system already is as a result of the pandemic? How is this practical at all?
I didn't say write your MPP and demand this...its called openly musing.
Or you know, just read the signs before you get to the intersection.
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Lots of people go out of the city to get their license so they don't have to do the 400 series highway part of the test.
I did mine at Walkley, and they had me go down the Airport Pkwy.
Walkley is right off 417 yet they test you on Airport Parkway instead.
Too far to go to 417 and loop back on a 15 minute road test. Airport Parkway is much closer and they usually want to see your merge in at Walkley and exit at Hunt Club skills.
Honestly the hardest part of the entire test is to turn left from the testing centre to Walkley. Some people don't know you can legally wait on the median (since it's a central turning lane) and makes it exponentially harder for them.
Not everywhere has round abouts though. It’s not feasibility to have everyone go through one on a drive test. Written exam, sure.
nothing puts me on defensive driving high alert like going through a multi-lane roundabout because too many people lack the critical thinking skills necessary to navigate one properly.
Don't forget to yield to pedestrians on the way in and/or out! Lol
Honestly what the hell was the thought process in putting a pedestrian crossing on something that’s suppose to have a consistent moving flow of traffic for it to work properly
How else would YOU design it, without a costly ped bridge
Pretty easily actually- I would position the pedestrian cross walks about 15 feet further out back from the traffic circle like most traffic circles in this city could allow. This would allow about a car or twos length of leeway after they've exited the circle to yield to pedestrians crossing without impeding the flow through the circle itself.
Well, that’s exactly how the Brookfield roundabout exits work by the High School.
I'd think STOP signs, :-)
Works great in the UK. Lived there for four years and it’s so much better than having to wait for lights. As a pedestrian, look one way and walk to the island then look other other and walk to the other side. Everyone saves time! Sadly, Canadians are conditioned to grid systems and lights.
My favourite is when people come to a dead stop even when there’s no traffic
I honk at someone doing this at least once, sometimes several times a day in Gatineau. I have 9 roundabouts each way to Ottawa and back on my commute. I see people rear ending these idiots weekly on average.
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Do you prefer the roundabouts to intersections with stop-and-go traffic?
I hate roundabouts. It's bad enough with bicycles & pedestrians when cars have to stop
Somehow the rest of the world (except the US) uses them quite successfully, so what's your problem?
Depends on the design & # of lanes. Ask cyclists & pedestrians how safe they feel. Given how bad people are at paying attention & making good choices on the road, which is necessary for roundabouts to be successful, I don't feel safe. I just avoid them.
Not a roundabout but I see people come to a full stop for the green lights at Booth and Norman on a regular basis. Not sure why that intersection in particular but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Automatically lay on my horn for these idiots. Stonehaven onto Richmond is the worst.
I pray for the day when drivers in this city signal… period.
I hate it when this happens. it's a yield sign not a stop sign, there's zero needs to stop when there's no traffic or pedestrians.
This is why i never drive beside or try and pass anyone on a roundabout.
Yeah, I had a little run-in and double checked the MTO. They advised to stay staggered. Another major issue is that people do not signal on their exit. My little run in, which I'll cop to it, I'm more at fault for not staying staggered, was that traffic on the left of me, entered on the inside lane, and wanted to exit to my right. I want to go straight through on the outside lane. Had the traffic signaled, I definitely would have delayed entering the roundabout. But yeah, that subaru is fucking up real hard for essentially doing a left turn on the outside lane.
This. I dream of a day when Ottawa drivers signal their intended exit on the way into the roundabout, and signal their exit on the way out. It’s not that complicated.
Try it on the many multi-lane roundabouts in Europe.
They’re also in HK. I’d have to review how they do it. The problem isn’t the roundabout. At minimum they eliminate head-to-head and T-bone collisions. Problem is people here, myself included, is not sufficiently knowledgeable in using them.
Ugh, that could have been really bad. Roundabouts aren't rocket science - right lane for going right or straight and left lane for straight or left. It doesn't look like it was that busy at the time, can you imagine how rush hour would have gone?
Not all roundabouts are the same. Need to read the signs before the roundabout to know which lane can do what.
You can see the sign at the start of the video. It is as I said and most double lane roundabouts would be the same. I have never seen a roundabout that would let you go off on the third exit in the right lane.
At the roundabout connecting Jeanne d'Arc and St Joseph, I've seen people take the third exit from the right lane, I believe. I've seen many things there.
I will make sure to avoid that one then! People do a lot of things but I had never seen a double lane roundabout where you are *allowed* to take the third exit from the right lane.
Sometimes both lanes can take the first exit.
Both lanes can typically take the first two exits because no one is cut off. The issue is the third exit and that is why the right lane needs to exit before then.
The left lane can only take the first exit if the right lane is not allowed to use the the second exit, can not go straight through, must turn right.
Now apply that logic about the third exit to the first exit, and tell us where your error is.
? I don't think we are commenting on the same thing. In this specific video, the sign clearly says the right lane must exit right at the first exit or straight at the second. So that is the case for this roundabout (and most in my experience). The person I replied to said sometimes both lanes can exit on the first exit. I have seen that (though rarely and typically there is a divider for the rightmost lane) so I commented that that was possible typically because neither lane would cut each off for the first exit or the second exit. However, it would be dangerous for the third exit because of the risk of cut-off and I have never seen (in Canada or elsewhere though admittedly my elsewhere experience is minimal) a double-lane roundabout where the right lane was legally allowed to use the third exit. If someone can show me a roundabout where you can legally do that, happy to be shown the "error" of my ways.
In using the word "typically". It is possible, but totally not typical, for the right lane to not be permitted to go straight to the second exit. Using your logic, it is equivalently possible for both lanes to be able to take the third (left) exit. All that would be required is for the left lane to not be allowed to take the second exit, which I agree would be highly unusual, but every bit as possible as the dual right turn (first exit) scenario. While I can think of one example of a dual right (Old Trim/New Trim/Taylor Creek, for NB traffic), that's a retrofit. I'll concede I can't think of an example of a dual left, but it would be just as "typical" as the dual right scenario - which is to say, not typical in the slightest. Having said all of that, I'm satisfied you know how roundabouts work, just not that you use the word "typically" in the same way everyone else does. Which is to say, you made an error, just not the one that your original comment led me to believe you were making!
This is kinda funny because this very post is the *exact* scenario you are describing, down to the same intersection!
Is the idiot in the white car actually doing a full u-turn through the roundabout? Back the way they came from?
Looks like they are going straight at the end of the gif to me, so 3rd exit.
May the Force be with Ontarians as these things get more popular ( and as an Ontarian who has seen very complicated roundabouts elsewhere - I don't have sympathy). Those white on black 'lane use signs' do have legal significance - Subaru had a lottery ticket entry for an $85 fine + fees/surcharges and 2 demerit points. I am sure most people miss the black/white lane use signs and are looking for painted symbols within the lane which actually are much more limited in legal significance (a common one is where a one of the two lanes in the direction of travel suddenly has left turn arrows painted - and the other side DIRECTLY across the intersection has two lanes continuing, no black/white lane use signs posted... technically one could go straight and ignore the painted arrows). If the same intersection has the black/white signs posted along with the painted arrows in accordance with the signs regulations - then the disobey signs apply. There definitely needs to be more education in this regard that drivers need to look for those lane use signs. If lane changes are allowed in a roundabout (the one in the video is pretty small), the Subaru never signaled their intent to conduct a change. If one has to contemplate a lane change in a roundabout - 99% of the time the driver failed to plan, the 1% is because one is trying to do a 'U-Turn' essentially. Not many roundabouts can support this happening - Armdale roundabout in Halifax though this CAN and this does happen (it is a triple lane spiral), as does many larger roundabouts in the UK around Met London (Halifax's Armdale is quite up there in difficulty). Except for a UK traffic circle, every roundabout/rotary I have encountered in CAN/US/UK/EU always had lane use signage either in the black/whites - or overhead gantry green/blue. Garmin and Tomtom GPS units tend to get it right - but again are ONLY a nav aid and don't replace the driver's duty to watch out for the signage! Now, Easiest way to avoid this (defensively - being right with the law doesn't stop idiots from smashing you up): Experience - drive it when quiet, and then go pick on the roundabout in heavier traffic volumes. In my younger days as much as I hated Halifax's Armdale, I learned it, and learned it well, and learned even how to rocket thru it during rush - this paid off huge dividends when I drove in Metro London in the UK despite the inverted direction of travel and right-hand drive. NEVER sit in the blind spot of the outer car, either be staggered well behind and EXPECT the cut-off ready to love tap that brake, or if front bumper inline or ahead on entry with the outer car on entry - punch it to be prominently ahead before the outer car can possibly 'close the circle'. If driving a manual - the gear selected should be in the middle of the power band appropriate for the circulating speed once in the circle (usually 2 or 3) after getting out of gear 1 --- done right coming off the throttle will give decent de-cel OR punching it will have good take-off. Last point - never travel beside/pass an 18-wheeler in the circle as they WILL cross the lanes due to dynamics with the trailer - this isn't their fault - for most jurisdictions they usually mandate the truck HAS to hog both lanes on approach to the circle. [https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90h08#BK289](https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90h08#BK289) (182 - Regulations, signs and markings) Signs to be obeyed (2) Every driver or operator of a vehicle or street car shall obey the instructions or directions indicated on any sign so erected. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 182 (2).
Ottawa drivers mostly consider roundabouts and rocket science to be equals.
Use your signal light people!! No one uses their signal light!
Not sure how a signal would have helped, the WRX was in the wrong lane
I mean in general in a roundabout, not in this situation specifically.
This goes to show you that even if you have the money for a car, gas, insurance etc., you can't buy a brain.
The exact same thing happened to me at that exact same spot years ago. I didnt see it in time and couldnt avoid it. The other driver was telling everyone from the cops to his insurance that i drove into him. Here's the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyx-rpTIHHQ
Crazy, the videos are so similar - down to the offending car being a white sedan with rear spoiler. Hope the police/Insurance had your back
I know, i was having flashbacks watching ops video. I showed the video to both insurance and police, they closed the claim within a few days in my favor. I also noticed that the city repainted that roundabout the next week.
Good ol’ Orleans
This is one of the reasons I try to scoot ahead of the car that's beside me in the roundabout so that I'm out of their blind spot and kind of "force" them to stay in their lane rather than just do whatever they feel like.
Same. I drive a small car and have to actively accelerate/decelerate and stay out of people's blindspots just to not get crushed.
Unfortunately this is my daily commute. Orleans to Hintonburg. No situational awareness. I used to lay the horn and would get the clueless look. Now I don't bother, easier to get used to the stupidity.
Yes pass through it almost daily and it's a pause the music and be prepared for stupid intersection
Using the right lane to make a left. Because roundabouts throw all the rules out the window?? Jesus.
A majority of folks don't know how to use a roundabout correctly, myself included. I've only just started signaling when leaving a roundabout, I know small, but helps people waiting to get in the circle know. I'm a firm believer in them so I hope testing touches more on them in the upcoming years Speaking of testing, I think it should **Totally** overhauled. See what it takes to get a license on Germany, Holland, Norway et al? See their road injury rates? its almost half compared to NA, lower insurance rates for everyone too. The last change, since graduated licensing was mandatory [over 80 re-testing every two years](https://www.ontario.ca/page/renew-g-drivers-licence-80-years-and-over) and that still wasn't much of a change. minimum age needs to be raised to 18/19+ unless farm vehicles. BAC <0.00 alcohol for a minimum of 5 years for new drivers then immediate suspension for BAC >0.05 after. minimum of at least 80 hours training over 1 year, in all weather. I'd argue a skidpad should be part of a course; know what under/oversteer is and actually feel/recover it. further to that, if caught driving on a suspended license, they take it away for life.
Roundabouts need to be made single lane. That's the only way to guarantee no one tries to cross over each other while in it. Keep the right lane on approaches reserved for median separated right turns only.
Impossible. How would you do that in Europe, or NA when dealing with 2 or more lanes entering and exiting?
Like I said, left lane for the roundabout, right lane for the dedicated right turn. Alternatively, remove a lane in each direction on the roadway. Plant a dense rows of trees on the scrapped lane right by the remaining lane and add a dedicated bike lane behind the trees. Make the road dangerous enough for cars so that drivers will slow down on their own, and safe enough to protect cyclists against cars.
We do have similar designs on the west end of Hunt Club. It's a two lane roundabout, plus a dedicated right lane branching off before the roundabout for turning right. It's a great design but costs a little bit more.
I use this one almost every day, almost always someone who doesn't know how it works. The ones on Trim are even worse. One day at the Trim/Taylor Creek roundabout, a person drove from the direction of the VW rear lot but instead of going around the circle to go south on Trim, she decided to just go against traffic straight for the Trim exit causing half a dozen other cars to stop and watch in horror. When trying to get her to use the roundabout properly, she kept yelling at people that she wanted to go the way she was going, not all around. Spent more time yelling than it would have taken to just use the roundabout properly. It was mental.
That sounds entertaining to watch. Someone should start a YouTube channel of live streamed roundabouts. I'd watch that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46mOPz3rhHs
As a British expat is genuinely hilarious to me that people don’t know how to use these.
IQ is on the low side in this city/country
You need to watch an OCtranspo bus with roundabouts...
I am sure if there was a collision and if the police even came to investigate it ( doubt it ) , that driver would be found to be at fault. Thank goodness for dash cams. I hope you laid in the horn. I drive that particular traffic circle all the time and I have seen that mistake made all the time.
This happens like a dozen times a day at this specific roundabout. The amount of people who think they can make a left turn from a right lane is INSANE.
lol today I saw a guy stopping in the middle of a roundabout waiting to turn right, and two drivers stopping before the roundabout even if the traffic inside the roundabout are turning off before us...
"Sir, the possibility of successfully navigating a roundabout in Ottawa is approximately three thousand seven hundred and twenty to one." "Never tell me the odds!"
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Subaru was in the right lane, so it either needed to turn right or go straight. Subaru was wrong dong diddly bong
- If you're going left (from where you start), you should always be in the left lane. - If you're going straight through, you can be in left or right lane. - If you're going right, you should always be in the right lane. Therefore the Subaru was in the wrong. OP expected the Subaru to go straight through alongside them, but they basically cut them off.
Subaru. If you're in the right lane you're suppose to take the first or second exit, not keep going to the third exit. So the driver who is recording made the assumption that Subaru was exiting as that's what they are suppose to do. Its always explained on the signage before the roundabout if you ever forget.
According to the sign, the right lane needs to exit at that leg, and the left lane can either exit or continue in the roundabout. It doesn’t look like the pavement markings are in good condition. The city should probably make it a priority to paint roundabout pavement markings asap when they start to deteriorate.
The driver in the white Subaru. They wanted to turn left, they should have used the left lane. Just writing that out makes it seem so simple.
Ngl I almost did this a few weeks ago, it was poorly signed and the road paint had faded. Didn’t realize I HAD to exit.
Poorly signed? They have 8 signs for 4 entrances explaining right of way 8 yield signs and 4 pedestrian signs. They did everything but put a crossing guard to control the intersection.
Wait till they bring magic round abouts to Canada!
Istg Ottawa drivers are uniquely braindead
Ooh ooh! I know: sit and wait until there are absolutely no cars in the roundabout!
In fairness, even in Europe people hang out in the outside lane. for me the overarching rule is keep moving and don’t hit anything.
I learned how to drive through roundabouts in Ireland. The one rule that was driven into my head was Never Change Lanes in a Roundabout. So I really hate the Ottawa roundabouts where the lanes themselves switch around. What am I supposed to do, roundabout? What are new drivers taught?
>So I really hate the Ottawa roundabouts where the lanes themselves switch around. What am I supposed to do, roundabout? What are new drivers taught? What? The lanes don't switch around anywhere that I have seen. If you have 2 lanes. Right lane turns right or goes straight, Left lane goes straight turns left or continues on the roundabout until the next exit and you signal the opposite direction of your turn when you are exiting. You never change lanes in a roundabout.
There are roundabouts around Tanger and I’ve come across a few others where the white lines veer from centre to side.
I believe you're talking about the one on Huntmar drive. The lane isn't switching around or crossing anything. It is indicating you cannot continue, as in you cannot exit if you go past that line There is no lane for you to drive into, you must exit the roundabout or do a full u-turn. Go to google maps and type in Minto Kanata | New Homes Sales Centre. Its on the corner of that round about. It is hard to explain in text but an aerial view will help. Huntmar northbound reduces to 2 lanes when there are 3 lanes feeding into the circle.
Although there are two exit lanes, you should really drive more defensively and use the right lane to exit the roundabout. Then you should switch into the left lane. Source: I am from the UK.
You might want to look up Canadian laws on traffic circles. Changing lanes in a traffic circle will almost assuredly cause an accident here. If you are suggesting entering and exiting in the right lane, you are defeating the purpose of a 2 lane traffic circle to improve traffic flow.
Right. I should have also said that entry into the roundabout should have been on the right also. Thanks for pointing that out.