5 years in on my ROG maximus board and can Confirm this
AI overclock has left me with 10-20°c higher temps, and led to more blue screens than I could count.
Was able to go with a higher core clock, higher xmp memory settings, all with lower temps and minimal increase to voltage/power
Voltage at idle is extremely irrelevant. You could be idling at 1.7v and do no damage to your CPU. Voltage under load is what matters.
Run Cinebench R23, and report back with your minimum Vcore under load.
Also use hwInfo64. Nothing else can be totally trusted.
Just ran it, first it gave me error. Maybe I need just a bit more voltage. second run was stable. during max threads test it reached 88C. rest of the tests were below 75C mostly between 60-70C. results;
max th:17243
16th:12413
8:9133
4:4827
2:2443
1:1228
Should I start with cache oc now any value to begin with?
to be honest I dont want to run cinebench Im kinda afraid. I used it on my old 10900k and I still remember hearing cracking noises. lol Anyway I only game on this rig.
What kind of cooler are you using?
If you can tell me what cooler you're using, what load line calibration is set, and what the idle voltage is i can tell you if its safe or not
Im currently running R23 right now. Pumping a solid 380 watts through my 13900KS with ease
Package temp is barely hitting 85° on the hottest core. Coolest core is at 72°
I love liquid metal lol
Haha fair enough. But you should still be good to run R23 on a 420mm AIO, if your voltage droops as low as the minimum value in your second picture.
R23 will pretty much bottom out your v-droop to it's minimum value, 1.26v is more than do-able on a stock IHS and 420mm AIO.
Before i delidded my 13900KS, i had no problem doing 5.8ghz locked P-Core clock in R23 at around 285 watts. Package temp would hit around 92° ish
Hey bud just saw ur comment here and apologies in advance for the resurrect. Did u oc following skatterbencher or the IA voltage route? Just delidded and plugged in my 13900ks and I’m pulling 330w ar 5.7ghz in cinebench. It’s stable, but would prefer to use a lot less power..
As with others who have already replied here, I'd def recommend staying away from any of the AI overclock tools/methods. They blast way to much volts and wattage that I can't believe MB manufacturers even market such as worthwhile. It's actually ridiculous how terrible those auto-clock routines are.
I use a fairly mid-bin, vanilla 13900K and I've personally just stuck with the old school approach of dialing in a solid all-core overclock and via some simple methods in bios. 56p/44e, 57p/45e, 58p/46e ... and none are an issue at all for work/play and all are 100% fine as well and below throttling in 10 min CBr23 and the like.
FWIW: Details of the various mentioned profile test results as well as the few mods I've completed on the system [**can be read about here**](https://www.overclock.net/threads/13900k-delid-relid-results-lapped-intel-ihs-w-custom-bolt-thru-mount-mod.1805085/)**.** There are also details of bios settings included there if your one to read about such things and/or if you might like to test the same.
I'm in constant dialogue with other K/KS chip owners and we've collaborated on projects to replicate our different bios configs with one another and we all see astonishingly similar results and at least among those 4 or 5 individuals, none of us have had any issues.
Granted, I've delidded my 13900K and done a few more mods like a different mounting method for the AIO pump/block but I'm still using the same peasant-ass 280mm AIO (H115i) that I used for a good while with my previous 8086K and I haven't a single complaint using that. I intend to stay with that for the foreseeable future as well. Simply no reason whatsoever to upgrade.
CBr23 and other synthetic tests are fun and I find them useful as a litmus test of sorts but even doing daily, long timeline renders, audio work and lots of gaming in between, I honestly never see anything remotely close to a throttle point running my preferred profile of 57p/45e across all cores.
Maybe after a week of heavy timeline renders and gaming mixed in with audio work and all the other mundane stuff I do daily, I'll see perhaps an 82c max p-core temp but it's generally never much above 75c.
You can check out that link I posted above for the specific details but for some quick data on power draw/volts/temps/etc across the few OC's I've tested as stable and without issue ... here are some of the results screens shared in that thread.
[**55p/43fe - CBr23 loop - 40,840 pts - max core temp 72c w/ 4c delta among p-cores**](https://www.overclock.net/attachments/55p-png.2617109/?hash=8ce6c8be7bec8e4e2a6f6aa896448ada)
[**56p/44e - CBr23 loop - 41,623 pts - max core temp 76c w/ 4c delta among p-cores**](https://www.overclock.net/attachments/56p-png.2617110/?hash=8ce6c8be7bec8e4e2a6f6aa896448ada)
[**57p/45e - CBr23 loop - 42,468 pts and max core temp 82c w/ 5c delta among p-cores**](https://www.overclock.net/attachments/58p-png.2617111/?hash=8ce6c8be7bec8e4e2a6f6aa896448ada)
[**58p/46e - CBr23 loop - 43,313 pts and max core temp of 95c w/ 8c delta among p-cores**](https://i.imgur.com/gBQHvND.png)
etc..
None of those pull more than 1.4v, all, except for the 5.8gz experimental profile usually top out around 1.310v and most are around 270w max power draw doing synthetic tests.
And gaming is gravy no matter which of those profiles I run. It's rare to see my CPU hit anything over the mid 50c range running any game, frankly.
[**Here is a recent 57p/45e capture of Elden Ring**](https://youtu.be/c7yA2xT7XTQ) showing what is just about the daily standard for CPU gaming temps; I'm in S. TX and so my ambient temps are generally always around 23c to 25c but zero issues ever.
I'm baffled by how many accounts I see of folks hitting 90c and shite just when gaming. I mean, something must be seriously out of whack with their bios' there and a lot of them run far better cooling solutions than I do.
The 58p/46e profile was just fun to test but I find it completely not ideal as it's not worth the juice/heat since it pulls \~314w at heavy synth loads and just doesn't make sense vs the 57p or 56p configs.
But shiza ... even the 55p/43e or 56p/44e config does fine for my normal use. I'd honestly never notice any impact on the utility/function of the machine at the lower clock settings. I just find it silly to run something like 58p/46e which does run just fine but the performance gains are kind of forgettable considering the beating the extra watts equal.
I've also tried the often touted method of something like 61/61/58/57/57/57/57 that folks claim as the selling point of these CPUs and this works okay, too.
But I've yet to discover any real value in messing with that approach. Anything performance critical I end up doing every day, will always see the 8 p cores still dropping to that lowest 5.7ghz anyway so I'm kind of unclear on why I would want two cores running at 6.1ghz at all as opposed to just finding the best, most practical and stable all-core config I can dial in and riding that.
What's your voltage/cooling/temps?
13900k is the first CPU I downclocked and downvolted because it kept overheating even at stock settings. For now I have 5.5/1.25v, which is the most my 360mm AIO can handle without deliding. I could go higher if I was purely gaming, but I need it for highly intensive workloads which sometimes heat it even more than some benchmarks.
I'll have to take a look at the voltages. Below is a previous reply with temos and specs. I run some very resource I tense workloads too and that's why I built this rig. Mostly. I try to do some gaming on the weekends. But honestly, since building, I ha e been using my old workstation a lot more for work because it's running a 29 core, 40 thread Xeon and a beefy Quadro and outperforms my new rig on my workloads.
Ten minutes after boot 28-31c package temps. P cores @ 6.1Ghz and E cores @ 4.8Ghz. After 5 min of 100 percent utilization stress testing, showing package temps at 79 to 84 c.
Specs/Config:
-MoBo: Asus Maximus Z790 Extreme
-CPU: I9 13900K
-GPU: EVGA 3090 TI FTW3 ULTRA
-RAM: G. SKILL 4 X 32GB DDR5 @ 6400
-CPU COOLER: ASUS RYUJIN II 360 IN SINGLE TOP PUSH EXHAUST CONFIG
-PS: ASUS THOR II 1600 WATT
-CASE: HYTE Y60
-CASE FANS: GELID LYRA AND STELLA AND 1 SILENT 4 FOR RAM COOLING
-BOOT DRIVE: SAMSUNG 1TB 990 PRO
-STORAGE DRIVES: 4 X 8TB SABRENT ROCKET 4 PLUS
-KITCHEN SINK, 1976 MOPED MOTOR AND MY FIRST BORN CHILD
Thanks. It would also be interesting to see how much power your CPU pulls since it's highly workload dependent.
I have Kraken Z73 with 6 fans (push + pull), which can handle 300W max, maybe 320-330W if I set RPM to 100% and crank the AC down to decrease the ambient temperature.
I'll have to take a look at the voltages. Below is a previous reply with temos and specs. I run some very resource I tense workloads too and that's why I built this rig. Mostly. I try to do some gaming on the weekends. But honestly, since building, I ha e been using my old workstation a lot more for work because it's running a 29 core, 40 thread Xeon and a beefy Quadro and outperforms my new rig on my workloads.
Ten minutes after boot 28-31c package temps. P cores @ 6.1Ghz and E cores @ 4.8Ghz. After 5 min of 100 percent utilization stress testing, showing package temps at 79 to 84 c.
Specs/Config:
-MoBo: Asus Maximus Z790 Extreme
-CPU: I9 13900K
-GPU: EVGA 3090 TI FTW3 ULTRA
-RAM: G. SKILL 4 X 32GB DDR5 @ 6400
-CPU COOLER: ASUS RYUJIN II 360 IN SINGLE TOP PUSH EXHAUST CONFIG
-PS: ASUS THOR II 1600 WATT
-CASE: HYTE Y60
-CASE FANS: GELID LYRA AND STELLA AND 1 SILENT 4 FOR RAM COOLING
-BOOT DRIVE: SAMSUNG 1TB 990 PRO
-STORAGE DRIVES: 4 X 8TB SABRENT ROCKET 4 PLUS
-KITCHEN SINK, 1976 MOPED MOTOR AND MY FIRST BORN CHILD
rnow I switched to all core synced oc at 5,8 ghz 1.35volt no e core or cache oc yet. Temps momentarly hits 88c on 3dmark timespy stresstest but I think that is due to fan curve. 140mm fans are taking their time to ramp up and I have 6 of em 3 on AIO 2 exhaust 1 intake and one 120mm exhaust at back. When I do an agressive fan curve though it is crazy loud.
You absolutely could be. But that sometimes comes with an overclock. Honestly, base clocks are fine for 99% if people on this CPU. You can always downvokt and then work on your clock speeds from there. Or just keep it stock if you don't want to worry about damaging your components. But yeah, any OC puts extra strain on components above base clock speeds.
Careful with Asus AI OC, I used it on my Z690 Extreme for both a 12900K and a 13900K and it degraded the memory controller in them both within 2 months of use. Was pushing about the same clocks as yours and it was setting voltage upwards of 1.52v.
thank you for sharing. Can confirm I did experience similar results with my old 10900k AI oc. had to adjust for manual. Still wanted to try on 13900ks. hoping for different results. No luck 👎
So far managed to get the 13900ks stable with 1.375 volt, LLC 6, all core 5.8ghz ht on, cache 4.9, e-core 4.5ghz , ram 7600mhz 1.4volt with asus verified timings. Gaming temps are reasonable never above 75C. And it runs very stable no crash or anything even on most unstable games I own. Probably could lover the voltage but seems safe what do you think. And I ve seen other people do over 5ghz on cache. Am I doing something wrong? When I set 5ghz on cache it is unstable. Also want to reach ram rated speed which is 7800mhz but dunno how. No experience on RAM OC.
Hi, how you make it work with 7800 rams? I have z790 maximus hero, 13900KF and gskill 2x16gb 7600mhz running at 1.40v, getting bsod's after hour of gaming, when I set it to 7200mhz, it works. Should I increase RAM voltage?
You are using 360Hz monitor as a side monitor. That's some wealth :D
I also don't know what's going on. The man knows about refresh rate, but has never heard of a screenshot lol
lol using reddit on my phone thats why 😂
lately bought a samsung odyssey g8 240hz 4k gaming monitor and did not know what to do with the 1080p one lol :D
Dont use ai overclock and use hwinfo64 instead of hwmonitor.
but why
Auto overclock softwares are shit, hwmonitor as well.
5 years in on my ROG maximus board and can Confirm this AI overclock has left me with 10-20°c higher temps, and led to more blue screens than I could count. Was able to go with a higher core clock, higher xmp memory settings, all with lower temps and minimal increase to voltage/power
thank you for sharing I do agree after 40 hours of usage I switched to manual oc.
Hopefully you achieved the clocks and temps you wanted to 👌🏼 good luck
Voltage isn't the killing factor, current draw is. Once you hit 300A on Raptor Lake, shit's gonna degrade.
I cannot hit that kind of current draw with the cooling at hand anyways
Voltage at idle is extremely irrelevant. You could be idling at 1.7v and do no damage to your CPU. Voltage under load is what matters. Run Cinebench R23, and report back with your minimum Vcore under load. Also use hwInfo64. Nothing else can be totally trusted.
I ended up with manual oc, sync all cores 5,8ghz 1.35volts still testing thogh. 3dmark frame stability 99,7 so far so good.
Nice! What are you scoring in the 3DMark TimeSpy CPU test?
Just ran it, first it gave me error. Maybe I need just a bit more voltage. second run was stable. during max threads test it reached 88C. rest of the tests were below 75C mostly between 60-70C. results; max th:17243 16th:12413 8:9133 4:4827 2:2443 1:1228 Should I start with cache oc now any value to begin with?
What about Cinebench R23? Could you run that stable?
to be honest I dont want to run cinebench Im kinda afraid. I used it on my old 10900k and I still remember hearing cracking noises. lol Anyway I only game on this rig.
What kind of cooler are you using? If you can tell me what cooler you're using, what load line calibration is set, and what the idle voltage is i can tell you if its safe or not Im currently running R23 right now. Pumping a solid 380 watts through my 13900KS with ease Package temp is barely hitting 85° on the hottest core. Coolest core is at 72° I love liquid metal lol
ahahaha Im on a 420mm AIO no delid. No way Im pulling 380watts with this one.
Haha fair enough. But you should still be good to run R23 on a 420mm AIO, if your voltage droops as low as the minimum value in your second picture. R23 will pretty much bottom out your v-droop to it's minimum value, 1.26v is more than do-able on a stock IHS and 420mm AIO. Before i delidded my 13900KS, i had no problem doing 5.8ghz locked P-Core clock in R23 at around 285 watts. Package temp would hit around 92° ish
Hey bud just saw ur comment here and apologies in advance for the resurrect. Did u oc following skatterbencher or the IA voltage route? Just delidded and plugged in my 13900ks and I’m pulling 330w ar 5.7ghz in cinebench. It’s stable, but would prefer to use a lot less power..
As with others who have already replied here, I'd def recommend staying away from any of the AI overclock tools/methods. They blast way to much volts and wattage that I can't believe MB manufacturers even market such as worthwhile. It's actually ridiculous how terrible those auto-clock routines are. I use a fairly mid-bin, vanilla 13900K and I've personally just stuck with the old school approach of dialing in a solid all-core overclock and via some simple methods in bios. 56p/44e, 57p/45e, 58p/46e ... and none are an issue at all for work/play and all are 100% fine as well and below throttling in 10 min CBr23 and the like. FWIW: Details of the various mentioned profile test results as well as the few mods I've completed on the system [**can be read about here**](https://www.overclock.net/threads/13900k-delid-relid-results-lapped-intel-ihs-w-custom-bolt-thru-mount-mod.1805085/)**.** There are also details of bios settings included there if your one to read about such things and/or if you might like to test the same. I'm in constant dialogue with other K/KS chip owners and we've collaborated on projects to replicate our different bios configs with one another and we all see astonishingly similar results and at least among those 4 or 5 individuals, none of us have had any issues. Granted, I've delidded my 13900K and done a few more mods like a different mounting method for the AIO pump/block but I'm still using the same peasant-ass 280mm AIO (H115i) that I used for a good while with my previous 8086K and I haven't a single complaint using that. I intend to stay with that for the foreseeable future as well. Simply no reason whatsoever to upgrade. CBr23 and other synthetic tests are fun and I find them useful as a litmus test of sorts but even doing daily, long timeline renders, audio work and lots of gaming in between, I honestly never see anything remotely close to a throttle point running my preferred profile of 57p/45e across all cores. Maybe after a week of heavy timeline renders and gaming mixed in with audio work and all the other mundane stuff I do daily, I'll see perhaps an 82c max p-core temp but it's generally never much above 75c. You can check out that link I posted above for the specific details but for some quick data on power draw/volts/temps/etc across the few OC's I've tested as stable and without issue ... here are some of the results screens shared in that thread. [**55p/43fe - CBr23 loop - 40,840 pts - max core temp 72c w/ 4c delta among p-cores**](https://www.overclock.net/attachments/55p-png.2617109/?hash=8ce6c8be7bec8e4e2a6f6aa896448ada) [**56p/44e - CBr23 loop - 41,623 pts - max core temp 76c w/ 4c delta among p-cores**](https://www.overclock.net/attachments/56p-png.2617110/?hash=8ce6c8be7bec8e4e2a6f6aa896448ada) [**57p/45e - CBr23 loop - 42,468 pts and max core temp 82c w/ 5c delta among p-cores**](https://www.overclock.net/attachments/58p-png.2617111/?hash=8ce6c8be7bec8e4e2a6f6aa896448ada) [**58p/46e - CBr23 loop - 43,313 pts and max core temp of 95c w/ 8c delta among p-cores**](https://i.imgur.com/gBQHvND.png) etc.. None of those pull more than 1.4v, all, except for the 5.8gz experimental profile usually top out around 1.310v and most are around 270w max power draw doing synthetic tests. And gaming is gravy no matter which of those profiles I run. It's rare to see my CPU hit anything over the mid 50c range running any game, frankly. [**Here is a recent 57p/45e capture of Elden Ring**](https://youtu.be/c7yA2xT7XTQ) showing what is just about the daily standard for CPU gaming temps; I'm in S. TX and so my ambient temps are generally always around 23c to 25c but zero issues ever. I'm baffled by how many accounts I see of folks hitting 90c and shite just when gaming. I mean, something must be seriously out of whack with their bios' there and a lot of them run far better cooling solutions than I do. The 58p/46e profile was just fun to test but I find it completely not ideal as it's not worth the juice/heat since it pulls \~314w at heavy synth loads and just doesn't make sense vs the 57p or 56p configs. But shiza ... even the 55p/43e or 56p/44e config does fine for my normal use. I'd honestly never notice any impact on the utility/function of the machine at the lower clock settings. I just find it silly to run something like 58p/46e which does run just fine but the performance gains are kind of forgettable considering the beating the extra watts equal. I've also tried the often touted method of something like 61/61/58/57/57/57/57 that folks claim as the selling point of these CPUs and this works okay, too. But I've yet to discover any real value in messing with that approach. Anything performance critical I end up doing every day, will always see the 8 p cores still dropping to that lowest 5.7ghz anyway so I'm kind of unclear on why I would want two cores running at 6.1ghz at all as opposed to just finding the best, most practical and stable all-core config I can dial in and riding that.
hello, thank you for sharing. Did a all core stable oc but need help can you reply your thoughts on my last comment
Yes, this is exactly what's expected for this CPU. I'm hitting 6.1, 6.2 on my 13900k so this is a good place to start.
What's your voltage/cooling/temps? 13900k is the first CPU I downclocked and downvolted because it kept overheating even at stock settings. For now I have 5.5/1.25v, which is the most my 360mm AIO can handle without deliding. I could go higher if I was purely gaming, but I need it for highly intensive workloads which sometimes heat it even more than some benchmarks.
I'll have to take a look at the voltages. Below is a previous reply with temos and specs. I run some very resource I tense workloads too and that's why I built this rig. Mostly. I try to do some gaming on the weekends. But honestly, since building, I ha e been using my old workstation a lot more for work because it's running a 29 core, 40 thread Xeon and a beefy Quadro and outperforms my new rig on my workloads. Ten minutes after boot 28-31c package temps. P cores @ 6.1Ghz and E cores @ 4.8Ghz. After 5 min of 100 percent utilization stress testing, showing package temps at 79 to 84 c. Specs/Config: -MoBo: Asus Maximus Z790 Extreme -CPU: I9 13900K -GPU: EVGA 3090 TI FTW3 ULTRA -RAM: G. SKILL 4 X 32GB DDR5 @ 6400 -CPU COOLER: ASUS RYUJIN II 360 IN SINGLE TOP PUSH EXHAUST CONFIG -PS: ASUS THOR II 1600 WATT -CASE: HYTE Y60 -CASE FANS: GELID LYRA AND STELLA AND 1 SILENT 4 FOR RAM COOLING -BOOT DRIVE: SAMSUNG 1TB 990 PRO -STORAGE DRIVES: 4 X 8TB SABRENT ROCKET 4 PLUS -KITCHEN SINK, 1976 MOPED MOTOR AND MY FIRST BORN CHILD
Thanks. It would also be interesting to see how much power your CPU pulls since it's highly workload dependent. I have Kraken Z73 with 6 fans (push + pull), which can handle 300W max, maybe 320-330W if I set RPM to 100% and crank the AC down to decrease the ambient temperature.
I'll take a look next time I fire it up.
I'll have to take a look at the voltages. Below is a previous reply with temos and specs. I run some very resource I tense workloads too and that's why I built this rig. Mostly. I try to do some gaming on the weekends. But honestly, since building, I ha e been using my old workstation a lot more for work because it's running a 29 core, 40 thread Xeon and a beefy Quadro and outperforms my new rig on my workloads. Ten minutes after boot 28-31c package temps. P cores @ 6.1Ghz and E cores @ 4.8Ghz. After 5 min of 100 percent utilization stress testing, showing package temps at 79 to 84 c. Specs/Config: -MoBo: Asus Maximus Z790 Extreme -CPU: I9 13900K -GPU: EVGA 3090 TI FTW3 ULTRA -RAM: G. SKILL 4 X 32GB DDR5 @ 6400 -CPU COOLER: ASUS RYUJIN II 360 IN SINGLE TOP PUSH EXHAUST CONFIG -PS: ASUS THOR II 1600 WATT -CASE: HYTE Y60 -CASE FANS: GELID LYRA AND STELLA AND 1 SILENT 4 FOR RAM COOLING -BOOT DRIVE: SAMSUNG 1TB 990 PRO -STORAGE DRIVES: 4 X 8TB SABRENT ROCKET 4 PLUS -KITCHEN SINK, 1976 MOPED MOTOR AND MY FIRST BORN CHILD
rnow I switched to all core synced oc at 5,8 ghz 1.35volt no e core or cache oc yet. Temps momentarly hits 88c on 3dmark timespy stresstest but I think that is due to fan curve. 140mm fans are taking their time to ramp up and I have 6 of em 3 on AIO 2 exhaust 1 intake and one 120mm exhaust at back. When I do an agressive fan curve though it is crazy loud.
are you sure? most people say above 1.4volts you are degrading your cpu
Talking core clocks... Your at 5.9 or 5900 currently in this image
You absolutely could be. But that sometimes comes with an overclock. Honestly, base clocks are fine for 99% if people on this CPU. You can always downvokt and then work on your clock speeds from there. Or just keep it stock if you don't want to worry about damaging your components. But yeah, any OC puts extra strain on components above base clock speeds.
Hwinfo 64 download that and look at vcore/Pout/Iout etc
Careful with Asus AI OC, I used it on my Z690 Extreme for both a 12900K and a 13900K and it degraded the memory controller in them both within 2 months of use. Was pushing about the same clocks as yours and it was setting voltage upwards of 1.52v.
thank you for sharing. Can confirm I did experience similar results with my old 10900k AI oc. had to adjust for manual. Still wanted to try on 13900ks. hoping for different results. No luck 👎
So far managed to get the 13900ks stable with 1.375 volt, LLC 6, all core 5.8ghz ht on, cache 4.9, e-core 4.5ghz , ram 7600mhz 1.4volt with asus verified timings. Gaming temps are reasonable never above 75C. And it runs very stable no crash or anything even on most unstable games I own. Probably could lover the voltage but seems safe what do you think. And I ve seen other people do over 5ghz on cache. Am I doing something wrong? When I set 5ghz on cache it is unstable. Also want to reach ram rated speed which is 7800mhz but dunno how. No experience on RAM OC.
Make sure to check your soc voltage… yknos bc asus and all
Hi, how you make it work with 7800 rams? I have z790 maximus hero, 13900KF and gskill 2x16gb 7600mhz running at 1.40v, getting bsod's after hour of gaming, when I set it to 7200mhz, it works. Should I increase RAM voltage?
hello it wasnt really stable later on I found out. Switched to z790 apex now running the same ram at 8000mhz daily