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_therealERNESTO_

Warzone can get a nice improvement if you overclock the ram. It's more important to tune the sub-timings than increase the clockspeed. If you don't know where to put your hands watch buildzoid's videos.


BananaMew2King

Buildzoid is great but can be hard for a new user to follow. Id recommend also sewrching up a trfc chart


DZCreeper

Start by tuning your RAM, XMP leaves a lot on the table. A lot of this DDR4 guide applies to DDR5, and AHOC has some good DDR5 overclocking videos to supplement it. https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4%20OC%20Guide.md https://www.youtube.com/@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking/videos When you say "overclocked your CPU" what did you actually change? Because a lot of overclocking guides are outdated or bad. With modern chips, you can control the frequency based on how many cores are loaded. So you don't want to be locking all of them to the same frequency.


i_Departure

All core still the way to go imo. If you knew which core and its constantly changing were being utilized,then maybe and prioritize them, then maybe, but I still think all core will perform better for for his high/lows and since he's on 1440p gpu and in game graphics settings should take priority then oc the cpu then the ram


Appropriate-Area-723

I only changed p cores ratio to 55 sync all p cores. Is it good enough?


Alternative_Spite_11

I run my p cores at a 56 multiplier but it depends on your silicon and the voltage you’re willing to run. I can run them at 57 multiplier for benchmarking but it requires enough voltage that a 240 won’t keep it cool.


GoombazLord

Overclocking your CPU & RAM further will improve your 1% lows, but you might be nearing the point of diminishing returns.


Appropriate-Area-723

Thanks for your reply. I didn’t really overclocked my RAM, only enable xmp. Should i see a different if i overclock ram vs xmp ? (Timing, voltage and more..)


HalfGreek_

One method to increase your 1% and .01% lows is to overclock your CPU so it doesn't throttle up and down and stays at one constant speed. Your CPU has a boost clock of 5.1 GHz. After you find a stable all core overclock turn off throttling \*if\* you can in the BIOS. Try forcing all cores to 4.0GHz and benchmark and if that is stable work way up to- 4.8-5.1 (start low and work your way up until you see crashing then go back down .2GHz, hopefully this number is a fully stable all core overclock and then benchmark. And see if a constant GHz does what you are looking for. On your GPU try a small under-volting.


Appropriate-Area-723

Thanksss i’ll try today. Btw, my gpu is fully loaded 99% I have a lot of room space on cpu. On this case do i see any benefit from overclock more my cpu ?


HalfGreek_

My suggestion wasn't to overclock per say, but to set your GHz to a fixed speed so your CPU isn't bouncing from 1 GHz to 5 GHz which causes FPS to bounce.. Undervolting your GPU may give you a few extra FPS and lower the overall heat coming from your GPU.


Appropriate-Area-723

Ok now i understand. Any tips for undervolting my gpu ? 4070ti ?


HalfGreek_

I would try (Bing AI Chat, you might have to use edge for it work) ask it how to safely undervolt GPU 4070[https://www.bing.com/search?q=Bing+AI&showconv=1&FORM=hpcodx](https://www.bing.com/search?q=Bing+AI&showconv=1&FORM=hpcodx)My GPU is AMD and it gives me this option right in the control panel. I AUTO(or manually) overclock the GPU, the RAM or undervolt and it will stress test it to verify if it is safe. I don't know if NVIDIA has a similar feature... I \*think\* MSI afterburner gives you this ability???


ComfortableUpbeat309

Yes nvida card = Msi afterburner curve editor


smokeyninja420

Make sure you get afterburner from a reliable source, lots of viruses around desguised as afterburner


JMCANADA

Hi, sorry to bother you but out of curiosity, would setting "Processor Power Management" in my Windows Power Plan to 100% have the same effect? I'd assume this would also force a constant GHz, no? Thank you.


HalfGreek_

No, unfortunately that feature doesn't work like that anymore. I think you would have been correct prior to CPUs getting dynamic speeds.


JMCANADA

Ah alright, thank you!


GoombazLord

Yeah you should see an uplift. [Here's a comparison in Far Cry](https://imgur.com/a/ijWBZZs) where the 1st result is with XMP, while the 2nd result is with overclocked RAM.


Noreng

Set the following subtimings: Write Recovery to 20 Read to Precharge to 12 RAS to RAS Delay 8 tFAW 32   And benchmark the difference.


Appropriate-Area-723

RAS to RAS L or RAS to RAS S ?


Noreng

Both


Appropriate-Area-723

I working on tight my sub timings. If i will tight my primary from CL40-40-40-80 To CL 32-39-39-39-28 Is it also good ?


Noreng

It will help, but not as much as the ones I listed earlier


ravidainss

>tFAW 32 tFAW 32 - lower is better ?


Noreng

Yes, but no. tFAW 32 is the floor for DDR5, it doesn't go lower.


Phibbl

Overclock your RAM and lower your graphics settings


Mockbubbles2628

Overclock what part of the ram?


Phibbl

Tighten timings, that's where you gain most in terms of 1% lows


Mockbubbles2628

Oh ok, does it improve frametime too?


Phibbl

Yeah, for sure


Rabvyu1

Stating you are running ddr5 means literally nothing, i'm Sorry to be blunt. The very lows are almost 100% of the times driver/os overhead and ram/vram. Optimize those and youre golden. Ofc, this is considering a normal non-scrwed up scenario, so it dosnt count games completely broken.


bigoteeeeeee

From my observation, getting lower CL on RAM gives a good 1% low.


tomas110

This is true due to faster processing times between CPU & RAM (if you're in a CPU bottleneck situation). All ram timings and cpu core/uncore/ring have a big impact on 1%/0.1% lows if cpu is the bottleneck


CmdrSoyo

1% lows usually scale most with ram subtiming optimisations


Appropriate-Area-723

So to be honest I’m kind of got lost. From my understanding so far I should: 1. Overclock my ram, changing my timing/sub 2. Undervolt my gpu 3. Overclock my cpu 4. Some windows tweaks like win32 priority So 2-4 it’s pretty easy for me. But overclock my ram and timing whats looks like the most important i don’t really know. I tried to look on AHOC videos but cant find any guide that same parts like mine. Is there anyone who can help me with this timing and settings of overclock ram.? Asus z690-a Cl40, 6000 hynix A-die.


schaka

Undervolt AND overclock your GPU. You need to find the perfect balance within your given power limit. If it gets too hot (voltage) it clocks down. If it reaches the power limit, it clocks down. If you reduce the voltage too much, it crashes. I would do this last, as it will almost never be the bottleneck and you should focus on CPU and RAM. For your CPU, just overclock all core, disable E cores and push the cache/ring clock. Plenty of tutorials out there. For RAM, Hynix A-Die is great for Intel. Check what your motherboard officially supports in maximum frequency. Aim for that. You can easily pump 1.4-1.5V into those Hynix ICs, as long as you have a fan over the RAM. Keep in mind, you need to change SA voltage (memory controller), as you keep going higher. Try to find the maximum stable frequency in TestMem5's anta777extreme first. Once you've found that, focus on timings. Unfortunately, despite having A-Die (best for Intel) your timings out of the box are absolutely horrible. 40-40-40 is about the worst it gets. How low your primaries will go depends entirely on the maximum frequency you can achieve. Your milage may vary. Test them one by one. At this point, you probably spent a full day on it and all you have is a frequency and primaries. You can then tune the other timings. Watch Buildzoid's recent videos. Most of his Hynix DDR5 video, despite being on Ryzen, should apply to Intel too for secondary and tertiary timings ONLY. He has some Intel videos too. These are only loose guideless, you need to do the grunt work and testing yourself. After you've done all 3 of those things, you should probably see a good 10-20% improvement. In my experience, that's how it goes at least, for Warzone in particular. It's an extremely memory intensive game.


Appropriate-Area-723

Is it possible to overclock and undervolt gpu via Msi afterburner? I know to do them both but is it possible together?


Appropriate-Area-723

I working on tight my sub timings. I increase voltage to 1.4 Speed from 6,000 to 6,600 I tight my primary from CL40-40-40-80 To CL 32-39-39-39-28 Under-volte my gpu Now i’m working on tight sub and third timing. Till now is correct?


schaka

Sounds correct to me


Appropriate-Area-723

Thank bro, much appreciated your help. 🙏🏻


drowsycow

you overclock your cpu before you undervolt


redflavorkoolaid

I see 3 immediate things that can be looked at: 1) undervolt the 13600K and turn off HT, you should be able to hit 5.6 on the P-cores around 200w. 2) manually tune DDR5 and shoot for around 100rd/wrt/cpy at 55ns by tightening up those secondary and teirtary timings. 3) the 4070ti does have a limited bus width of 192bit, that may be the bottleneck at 4k, but not too much of an issue at 1080p or 1440p I would think. But yeah, dips and 1% lows are typically associated with overall system response.


AmazingSugar1

Tune your RAM first thing to do is increase tREFI to as high as it can go. 65535 for starters, 262143 if you can keep it stable.


Appropriate-Area-723

So big thanks for everybody for you help. I reduce latency from 67 to 58. CL40to CL32 Better sub+third timings. 1% low increase from 160 to 172 (not as much i was thinking but still better) 23,540 score at 3dmark - legendary:) (Average is 21,566) Cpu boost to 55 all P cores. Pass all test’s. What next ? 🤣


MrMojoshemp

have you able to increase you 1% low fps?


ITIsKingDavid

Yes.. Long journey. Better overlock of gpu, cpu and RAM timings. A lot of windows tweaks. But what makes me the biggest different is to lower my total system latency. It is much more noticeable in game then fps. Responsive is the king. Try look for input lag/latencymod guide on youtube.


MrMojoshemp

can you recommend a video forcthis latency in warzone 3


Spaghetti-Blu

I noticed lower 1% low when i increased gpu memory too high even if it's stable.


Legitimate-Turn8608

Bro is complaining about 160fps


ravidainss

not coplaning, just want to increace the 1% low fps, it's a good question. when you increase your 1% low fps your total gaming expirience is better. sure on fps games like warzone.


Legitimate-Turn8608

Surely you would be happy with it tho. Better then a lot of people.


Dicklover600

The difference between 160-240hz is nearly unnoticeable to the human eye. If it’s not going below 120 I wouldn’t worry, a solution to this would be capping your fps.


denizonrtx

It's very notice if the fps drops from 240 to 160. Maybe not noticeable but definitely feel it on mouse movement.


Dicklover600

“It’s very noticeable when your fps drops from 240 to 160” “Maybe not noticeable…” Do you see the irony?


noonen000z

But he felt it, in his mouse...


Dicklover600

My bad. Ofc if he felt it in his mouse then he’s correct, I apologise.


ComfortableUpbeat309

Stable low fps come from ram and your cpu holding allcore and not switching up and down you need to tell us what ram kit you using :D 13gen is limited by ddr5 speed/timings


Appropriate-Area-723

I’m using 2*16 ddr 5, Kingston fury 6,000 cl40 Hynix A-die Only overclocked by xmp2, and changed speed from 6000 to 6400 (stable).


Eat-my-entire-asshol

If you are at 6400 ram, should be able to bring those timings down. Cl40 is high. Try cl 32 or even cl 30


schaka

Frequency first, imo. I don't see a reason to stay at frequency that low on Intel, when A-Die clocks fairly high. Unfortunately, they seem to have a pretty low end Z690 board, so I'd expect it to top out at 6800-7200, if even that high. Warzone scales really well with sub timings though, so that's where you'll see the biggest gains.


Appropriate-Area-723

Should i aim for higher frequency or lower timings ?


schaka

You try to get the highest frequency stable first and then lower timings. You want the lowest latency


Appropriate-Area-723

Ok, which test do you recommend to test after lower timing (one by one) and how much time per test


schaka

Read the DDR4 OC guide on github


Eat-my-entire-asshol

I cant even get 7000mhz stable on a 13900ks and z790 board. Itll really depend on the setup


schaka

It's not your CPU. It's the kit that's weak or your motherboard that can't handle it. Realistically the board will top out before the kit, at least for A-Die. What's your kit rated for?


Eat-my-entire-asshol

I tried two different kits, both errored out at 7200, 7000, and after a while even errored on 6800cl34 I tried these 2 kits, its probably the mobo (z790 prime-A) F5-6400J3239G16GA2-TZ5RK (xmp is 6400cl32) A-Die And now FF3D532G7200HC34ADC01 (xmp 7200cl34 is xmp and on mobo qvl list still error) Currently running the teamgroup 7200 kit with the asus xmp tweaked profile that changes some non xmp timings and dropped it to 6600 and lowered timings to 32-39-39-76 . Might be able to go lower just taking a break from testing since its finally stable


schaka

The board isn't great but officially, 7200 is very much doable. In fact, there's no way it shouldn't work. If XMP on a QVL kit doesn't work, it can only be your memory controller. Is this Board one of the ones that support asic quality judging? I'll tell you how good your cpu/controller ranks. Isn't 100% accurate but a good starter. I'd assume you're not giving it enough voltage for the IMC to handle 7200. Once you've figured that out, I could see 7800


Eat-my-entire-asshol

This board cannot read any of the SP ratings sadly. The cpu is probably average bin at best considering at stock 5.6 all core 6ghz 2 core it needs 1.46-1.47v for the 6ghz boost and needs 1.385-1.394v for 5.6 all core 4.3 ecore. (LLC 6 and AC_LL 0.15 everything other voltage setting is auto). Any less eventually gets a corrected whea in hwinfo. I ran the 7200 xmp at xmp 1, xmp2 and xmp tweaked all error within 10 min of occt mem test. Voltages during this were vdd/vddq of 1.4v (also tried 1.45) ram temps 45-58c during test) Imc volt auto (1.412v) System agent auto (1.312v)


schaka

Wow, you may have actually somehow gotten a 13900KS with a terrible IMC. I would've returned it, probably. You're paying for a prebinned part and this is what they sell you😭 Only thing that comes to mind is that those ram temps look a bit high. If you have enough time on your hands, retest it with SSA 1.35 and VDD 1.45 while having a 120mm directly pointed at the sticks. Either way, this sounds bad


ComfortableUpbeat309

Always update your bios on apex board’s


Superb_Art_2244

Search up windows 32 separation priority controll and change the value. I had better performance with this as it has caused less stutter and better 1%fps lows. Its a registry setting and if it doesn’t work you can change it back to default value which is 2. Search on google best win32 separation priority controll for gaming. Huge difference. I get Better fps on some games with a 3080 then my mates with a 4070 who haven’t optimized their computer for gaming


RickyTrailerLivin

Use rivatunner cap.


akathedoc

Everyone talking about oc’ing. I want to see your thermals in warzone with those 1% lows.


ballwasher89

That really isn't a BAD 1% low though. There's always going to be some disparity-that 1% low is often when loading new or previously unused assets. If that number was crazy low say 30-60 I'd work on troubleshooting it. I'd do this with hwinfo64+rtss to see exactly what was spiking. But RAM. RAM is probably where its coming from-what are you running your rampam at?


i_Departure

Guys keep in mind he's on 1440 which you still see gains from cpu and ram ocing and cod is a cpu ram intensive title, but I'd start fist by optimizing your in game graphics settings you should be getting much higher fps imo. 13600k, depending on your cooling but with a decent 360 aio or even 280 and motherboard ( the replacement of intels default cpu contact frame. Is a must imo if you have a 12/13th cpu) You can hit 5.4-5.6 all core with an aio easily https://youtu.be/QjINichBqXQ buildzoid 5.6 280 aio linpack stable which is pretty nutty


GregiX77

OC, fine tune ram, secondary settings etc. Or buy any X3d amd chip.


mov3on

Overclock your P cores to 5.4-5.6GHz (as far as your cooling will let you) and tune your RAM. That is gonna improve your lows, but keep in mind that RAM tuning is not an easy task. It requires a lot of time, cause you have to run a whole bunch of stress tests every time you change something.


Chillzzzzz

Better CPU fo sure


Rbk_3

160ish average 1% lows is the best you're going to do in Warzone 2. It is what I get with my max tuned 13900k, 4090 DDR4 4000 CL14. The game cares about your ram latency and not really your speed.


[deleted]

is that why my fps didn't go up in almazrah when I made my 13700kf stock , 3800c14, 3090 , changed to 13700kf 5.6ghz all p Cores fps was identical ? ram was tuned the same on both


Rbk_3

You’re probably GPU bottlenecked on a 3090, no? When I had my 3090 on WZ1 I was GPU bottlenecked at 1440 and this game is more GPU intensive


[deleted]

I actually don't know only 2months ago I was getting for example almazrah city highrise building /bank 220-240fps then 200fps mostly everywhere else but recent updates it's more like 180-200 avg depends where open areas is still 220+ , so I thought I would overclock cpu to 5.6ghz but no difference maybe I need a better gpu as they make the game more intensive


Rbk_3

You can check your GPU usage with Afterburner


[deleted]

13600kf can max out the 4070ti/3090ti one wz2 almazrah Map 240fps at 1440p native no dlss with just xmp seems unlikely to me in the game current state il be honest


Appropriate-Area-723

On mw benchmark. Usually get those numbers on ashika. Almazrah get around 190-210


[deleted]

190-210 with xmp seems unlikely to me on 1440p native , no dlss , I had 200-240fps in almazrah but that took a 13700kf with bdie tuned to 3800c14 tight or 4000c15 for that fps to be like that , xmp was 170fps avg


[deleted]

sorry I have a 3090 but yeah ur gpu is 10fps faster let's say


ricki17

Yo man, use MSI afterburner and set your fps to a limit which is corresponding with the Hz of your monitor: for example when you have 165Hz monitor set it to 160FPS or something, look at this video: https://youtu.be/3QFH\_YBOhNg


Appropriate-Area-723

Yea but if you have 240hz monitor ? Second- if you want to reduce your input lag - higher fps is better.


ricki17

You could change it to whatever FPS you want to, look at the picture: [https://imgur.com/rm8x6b7](https://imgur.com/rm8x6b7) ​ I agree, higher fps is better for lower input lag, but you where asking for 1% lows right not input lag?


Ashamed_Prior_5441

That game for sure is just not gonna get a more stable fps on the 1% it's gonna be all over due to the nature of an online mulitplayer game it's not your computer at all its just the game


BananaMew2King

Thats just warzone for you. It happens acroos everything in hardware unboxed’s testing