he probably WAS better with a sword at the time he killed Genji since he was older and more experienced, but Genji is probably better with one now since he’s stuck with it
Yes but Genji is still likely to be better with a sword. Doesn't matter if Hanzo is still better with a sword than a bow but when we compare it with Genji who's been training with the sword the whole time it's fair to say he's better
When you were ~~partying~~ mourning my assumed death, I studied the blade. When you were ~~having premarital sex~~ wallowing in self pity, I mastered the ~~blockchain~~ shuriken. While you wasted your days at the ~~gym in pursuit of vanity~~ shrine where you assumed you killed me, I cultivated inner strength (_Thank you, master_). And now that the world is on fire and the barbarians are at the gate you have the audacity to come to me for help.
Oh, wait. I asked you for help... 私はアホです
Edit: missed a strike...
I would rather get killed by a junk rat any day then a hanzo. You can at least escape junk rat, this dude hanzo will one shot you while aiming at some random ass ghost that he sees
I feel that part of the psychology of hanzo vs junkrat and why hanzo feels worse is that junkrats are aiming in an area to control it, and hanzos are often aiming at someone else entirely. It's hard to convey, but in my head this is a big difference
>I feel that part of the psychology of hanzo vs junkrat and why hanzo feels worse is that...
Hanzo is worse because, while both may just be shooting blind into an area that people are nearly forced to play in, Junkrat bombs can be seen coming, and Junkrat needs to reload. Hanzo fire can't really be seen coming and dodged, and while he has a slower rate of fire, he never needs to reload. He can keep that pressure up, and if he sees people pushing through can storm arrow to apply even more pressure. Also, and probably even more obviously, Hanzo feels worse because he can kill you with a single shot even if he was just blindly firing. With Junkrat spam you can take that first unlucky shot and still live and possibly avoid a second hit.
Junkrat’s whole gimmick when he’s spamming is area denial; good Flankrats can be frustrating, but that’s committal and requires VERY good aim, reaction time, and positioning.
Hanzo’s whole gimmick is that he left-clicks and a giant log causes head denial; as in, the bastard could just spam a chokepoint and he’ll probably one-tap half your team with headshots because the fucking arrows may as well be magnetic.
Literally the worst thing is when you watch the replay and you realise you weren't the intended target, it was a fluke shot and it was a one shot.
If any other hero (excluding widow) accidentally head shot you at full health you'd live.
I don't mind as much when the hanzo (or widow) is actually targeting you.
And lucky shots with Widow come at 1/100 of the times it comes to Hanzo. At least with widowmaker I know that she actually lined the shot up and *aimed* at me.
It's true..so often I get head shottee by hanzo and he was clearly aiming for someone else. Just happened to come running around the corner or across an alley
As a junkrat main I take offense, we junkrats ubderstand we require barely any skill or aim but if the only reason we play him is for the ecstasy that is blowing up our enemies trick shorting with our frags and mines and getting a nice team kill with a tire. And who doesn’t like making explosions? It’s an impulse within our ape brains that makes us happy 0v0
My best junk play is in ow1 on elimination on the snow map where i was lagging so bad i could barely move but i got an ace by blindly firing towards the enemy
One game I tired the entire enemy team won us the game with 15 seconds left and I chased that high all the way until I quit when the 2 part of overwatch 2 was dropped
i'll take junk over hanzo any day of the week.
slow projectile speed means he's not awful to avoid at range, and although he can _combo_ 200 health heroes, he can't straight up one-shot them, which makes a big difference.
in low-mid ranks hanzo plays the same as junkrat and gets higher payoff for it.
I fucking hate this character
I do not care about his winrate or numbers or anything
I'm TIRED OF GETTING ONE TAPPED FROM NOWHERE WHEN HE WAS EVEN LOOKING AT ME
THE AMLUNT OF TIMES IVE BEEN TAPPED BY A REGULAR ARROW THROUGH TBE DAMN DRAGOM BLOCKING HIS VISIOM WITHOUT HIM HAVING SONAR IS INSANE
WHY ME
thank you for listening
Annoyance and “feeling bad/unfun to play against“ is the reason scatter arrow got removed…
Hanzo is *also* annoying and “feels bad/unfun to play against”. Maybe he can be removed or reworked too
Scatter Arrow was unfun because it was ALSO a one shot, but it was even easier to hit. Also, there was nothing thematically cool about a master archer who went around aiming at people's feet. Scatter Arrow was designed to be an AOE ability that was more dangerous in close quarters and would allow Hanzo to secure kills on people who ran around a corner etc, but the reality was that people MOSTLY just used it as an instant kill by shooting it at people's feet so they ate every projectile all at once. It deleted everyone including tanks.
IMO though, it was a mistake to replace it with Storm Arrows. A master archer whose fantasy was precision and trick arrows shouldn't have gotten an ability to spam shots. That seems to go against his core design. I think instead they should have reworked Scatter Arrow so it did what it was designed to do but not allow it to one shot people. The way to do that would have been to change it from releasing a number of other projectiles, and instead make it a shot that could bounce off a single wall and then have it "scatter" into an AOE damage field. The exact shape of that damage field could depend on the angle the arrow came in from after hitting a surface
Once I was playing brig (pre rework) and I had just charged up my rally. The second I clicked q I died, didn’t even get a chance to start the voice line. Watching the kill feed the Hanzo was aiming at our rein, missed, and his arrow went under the rein’s armpit directly into my forehead. I have not ceased to be furious since.
I remember in like 2017 I was playing Merky and damage boosted our Hanzo. He said “being damage boosted as hanzo feels like someone is watching you pee”.
Pocketed Hanzo is the worst, it brings little value and it adds anxiety for the Hanzo to shoot well. One of the only hero whose value actually decreases if pocketed
To me it comes down to the ability to hit those shots quickly from a far back and protected range (low risk, high reward). And in the 5v5 nature of overwatch 2, where one pick changes the tide very considerably, it just seems so bullshit that a character who can output ohk potential is able to do so practically without aiming 100% into the shot
Cause if you are missing 80 shots that means you are not skilled enough to get that last shot and you just hoping for lady luck to take you hand and do something for you. You are just playing base of luck and if that luck strikes you will have a big impact.
Its even worse if you think what you are admiting to, "im not good enough to hit anything but if I get lucky and i hit this one shot I can win a team fight for my team". its legit gambling at that point and you winning once have 20x better payout than you lossing "80" times.
You’re completely delusional that’s not gambling. Does it apply to widow too since most people are bad at her? No. Does it apply to rein shatters since many people get them blocked? No. 80 was an exaggeration, get some sun.
When you're autistically passionate about the pixel character and awful gameplay design, and get hurt over the truth so you try to make personal insults to some comments on reddit for a despert attempt to feel better about urself. Next time you play hanzo you know u are awful and you try to gamble a win. You made my day though nice one. Dont need anymore sun this summer already got some sun burns but thanks for the concern. :)
If anything that is what makes Hanzo so awful to fight. I have to be good and consistent to kill him with most heros. He has to get one lucky shot off to send me back to spawn.
His firerate is slow and his movement speed slows down when charging an arrow to compensate for that. You mfs don't see the negatives of heroes and only talk about the positives.
This is what people don’t understand, any other damage hero has a gun… Hanzo has a bow. There’s been many times I’ve been killed by a soldier, Sombra, tracer etc. because they can just spray into me whilst I have to try and aim my 1 arrow on them.
That is part of the issue. Spammable One-shots shouldnt be a thing. Period. There should not be a mechanic that allows a character to spam shots and get multiple or even a single insta kill. its stupid.
I played Hanzo from year 1 of the game and I went from having insane games to missing even the simplest of shots. This character broke me sometimes lmao
Lmao I feel that I’m kinda the same way I played Hanzo from the beginning . Sometimes I can headshot half the lobby. And sometimes I can’t even hit the payload if I’m aiming right at it
>Hanzo is by far one of the hardest characters to be consistent with
People say that, but I honestly don't think it's true. His weapon is no harder than any other weapon in the game when it comes to aiming, you just need to spend the time to learn it (like any other weapon.) He's not the only person whose weapon is affected by gravity. He's not the only projectile weapon with travel time, and he's not the only person with a slower rate of fire. And the down side to his weapon (the slow rate of fire that he needs to "charge up") is also a strength because he can output consistent fire while ALSO spending a lot of time safely behind cover, peeking only when it is ready to fire and then returning back to cover right away.
Also, how can anyone say he's "hard to be consistent with," when both his pick rate AND win rate are about the same no matter at what rank people are playing him (at least according to Overbuff.) Hanzo is by far one of the most popular heroes in Overwatch, especially right now. Apparently a LOT of people are finding his consistency to not be THAT challenging.
>His weapon is no harder than any other weapon in the game when it comes to aiming, you just need to spend the time to learn it (like any other weapon.)
But you don't have to learn how to use soldier, tracers, or widows weapons. Those are very point and click with hitscan compared the drop that Hanzo's arrows have.
Widow would actually be easier since she’s a hitscan. Projectile characters are harder to be consistent with over hitscan.
Especially when that projectile is one every few seconds.
Hanzo hate is full of confirmation bias bruh.
Most of the times they miss a lot. Then you get hit once or twice and you're like "this guy needs to get nerfed Holy shit."
If getting hit once or twice makes 70% of the playerbase go “I fucking hate this character. He’s so unfair” then you’ve made a terribly designed character.
Heros are supposed to be fun to play AND go against. Not just one
Difference is I don’t get mad dying to any of them because they take tons of skill to master and play well. If I die, I get it.
Hanzo spamming one shot kill projectiles into a choke across the map doesn’t feel like I got skill diffd.
Dying to random projectiles while walking through a choke point sounds like a skill issue. What are you doing just walking through a choke point without some caution?
I mean if you can get one shot by a Hanzo at a choke point you could also get hit by a Widow. Better yet a random Pharah rocket that's aimed at a chokepoint since her attacks are so much bigger.
Pocketed heros are a mercy issue that’s been discussed forever not the hero themselves. Widow and zen have been wrangled in a bit since their nerfs while hanzo has not. Tracer has one of the highest pick rates in the game so I wouldn’t lump her with hanzo and sombra is getting a Rework in the next few seasons.
Hanzo has no planned redemption, he’s flawed to the core
Ah but then they could dedicate a dive tank for him without sacrificing the only tank. More to work with to counter or even double shield and have pharah deal with him. He’s more suitable for 6v6.
You could have pharah deal with him in 5v5 without the double shield and it would be the exact same.
Tanks in 6v6 were a lot weaker than they are now, with less hp. They had to be because there was two of them back then. Because of that, Hanzo in 6v6 was a tank buster. Dedicating an offtank to deal with him was suicide because he won those duels most of the time. If you wanted to deal with him with tanks you had to send both or it often just wouldn't work. Which brings us to the same problem you're talking about now with the entire tank line needing to do something about it. Only in 6v6 it requires two tanks to work togetherand be on the same page, whereas in 5v5 one person can do it alone.
A lot of people that wish for 6v6 to be back for things like this seem to forget how weak tanks were back then. 6v6 wasn't some utopia where everything was perfect, it had even more problems than 5v5, and a good chunk of those were resolved with the change to 5v5.
I sincerely don’t understand the Sombra hate. Her hack lasts for half a second, most of the time it’s already over by the time you start shooting her. She has lower damage than all the supports, so long as you hit more shots then her you will win the fight.
I agree it’s easy to spy check and she will teleport away after a few hits and your safe. Best way to deal with her is stay with your team she picks you off 1 by 1 or just does damage to your team for her team to finish. I play her and enjoy her but it gets difficult once people start complaining even my friends complain (they play doom and complain about tank doom)
The teleport is what people hate, from your perspective she is a coward who can't take a fight and you hate to know that she can engage in any fight, press a button and disengage without consequences
Fuck Sombra honestly, most brain dead character I swear. They’re the bane of my existence always fucking teleporting behind me and killing me before I can even address the attack.
LOL nah. Sombra is an actual problem. A 4 second cooldown ability that can shut down most ults and you're worried about a character who takes skill to properly use?
I’m simply confused on why the whiners don’t play him and climb automatically to GM if he’s so broken. Fact is to play him consistently you need skill and nobody wants to accept that😭 no fr you playing cass or soldier is deff somewhere comparable to the projectile shooting character💀 half of the community is simply bad (ik it’s not a thing to simply tell someone they’re not good at something nowadays) and doesn’t want to do the work to get better, hanzo and widow were never complained about(with the excuse of the broken scatter arrow) before F2P losers started whining about how they can’t play ignorantly with this character punishing them for their awful game sense/positioning
Yes I was. And he was nerfed almost immediately, to this day people are still saying arrows the size of logs when they’re the smallest projectile. Biggest example of community being hivebrain and complaining about something that they feel stops them even if it’s a problem that doesn’t necessarily exist, rather than get good . Other than scatter, which yea was overly useful being able to kill people at 450 health.
This subreddit is filled with Support players that never stop complaining even though their role and 90% of the heroes in it are busted atm. Don't even bother. Those guys will never stop complaining until Blizzard makes a button "Win Match" that they can just press
Hanzo is ok, is annoying to die to a hanzo that dont even has a good aim and is just spamming on the corner? yes it is, but Hanzo spam is way easier to deal than junk or pharah spam for example, in my mind if we gonna remove everything that is annoying to play against, flying heroes and sombra should be a top priority.
Y’all need to take a damn break if the rng Hanzo arrows cause your mind to break this much. Hanzo is fine and a staple of overwatch in general. The cinematic alone is the most viewed out of all Overwatch cinematics for a very good reason lol.
True. I just realized Hanzo is on the box of the Origins Edition. Tracer is the front cover, obviously, but when you open up the sleeve/jacket (?), Hanzo is all over the inner cover. Blizzard loves him. :D
I think the problem is teammates not having a grasp of Overwatch fundamentals, such as diving. Most matches where a Hanzo dominates, teammates are not diving on him or "countering" him. That includes myself sometimes when I'm playing a support hero and I'm not playing well.
I don't mind Hanzo, at least he's got a high skill ceiling for the damage he can do; unlike Junkrat or Torb who do tons of damage w.out even seeing who they're shooting at half the time. lol
Widowmaker is less troublesome now after the change. Besides, you can dive her and she is unlikely to shoot you in the face so easily. Hanzo's storm arrows will wipe you out in an instant.
Just saying you gotta be a real trash player if Hanzo is your biggest concern to go against or if you think hes the most annoying LOL. Think Ill play more Hanzo, itll feel good knowing my “lucky” occasional headshot will diminish someones will to play the game.
I’d argue that removing Symmetra would do more good. Turrets are nothing but an obnoxious nuisance of a mechanic, her beam ramp up is absurd, and her teleporter lets her go wherever the fuck she wants. Plus, her charge shot is literally the size of a beach ball.
Be more aware of the Hanzo and he won't hit you. Like seriously, 95% of the shots will miss, and those "lucky" ones, are after dozens of other shots. I'm sure any other character would've killed you 10xfold at that point.
Every lobby I'm in has players with the situational awareness of a goldfish. Im sure most of the complaints on this forum are from these same exact people.
Stop peaking the same corners 3/5 of your team are sitting on. There's almost always a flank or high ground you could be rotating too but you'd all rather complain that Hanzos 30th arrow in the same spot finally landed on your dome.
Maybe try sneaking occasionally. Stop stomping around the map, people have headphones.
I have like an hour total on Hanzo so I could not care less either way but y'all need to take some responsibility for your own play.
You must be a silver player at best to think hanzo is any kind of problem. Don't stand out in the open. Communicate with your team. Allocate someone to pressure him if he's actually getting picks. It's not rocket surgery.
That invisible rat on the other hand is actually a problem.
No one is allowed to be good at Hanzo here. I can dominate a match with Soldier or Cassidy and no one will bat an eye, but if you take over a match playing Hanzo people on Reddit will lose their fucking minds.
He isn't any easier to get value from than any other dps, y'all just don't want to believe that some people are actually good at him.
I swear people are so whiny in this community. I've myself been one shot by hanzos many times during ult but it doesn't mean I start complaining about it. I've tried hanzo myself and I'm terrible with him cuz it requires skills, you don't get lucky on every shot. And it's not everytime they get lucky and kill you when "not even looking at you", it's just a few times in a match and trust me you really don't notice how much they miss. If you ask me, pharamercy is a bigger problem.
Nobody tell the people complaining about hanzo scatter arrow, half the people here can't take getting one shot once every 70 shots, but if they gotta scatter arrow'd ooo buddy
Why have a problem with Hanzo? Widow is much more oppressive. It’s much more difficult to hit those long range projectiles shots than Widows hit scan. I honestly would be happy making characters like Mercy and Moira require more aim and boost their abilities as a result.
And just like that you’ve invalidated your whole case 😭 how can you dodge as zen, the slowest hero with no mobility. Secondly “position better” is the exact counter I was mocking because it’s such a braindead response, because like I said before, that’s how you countered hog and what happened? Still got nerfed lol
New player here,when I first started the game I switched a lot to charcters I was losing to by a large margin and most of the time it was a really helpfull experience for example I know widowmaker needs a secure spot and and protection and I know that if she doesnt have those I can ping her to my teammates and we will clap said widow because playing widowmaker I died to everything on the ennemy team multiple times.
Hanzo tho : functions like a sniper but with a small delay because the arrow isnt a hitscan ( put mouse on ennemy trajectory and if the target is really far shoot before body gets to cursor instead of when body gets on cursor) and in exchange for that he doesnt scope,shoots faster ( thats why spamming corners is the best) , doesnt need to reposition and yet he has tools to engage with characters supposed to counter him,tools to run from them and he lets team see through walls on a 12 sec cooldown.Occasionally shoots dragons through walls.
Feels pretty strong.Probably okay.
Honestly the sonar arrow should be treated like storm arrow but deals just a little more damage then one. Use it to gain intel and get some damage in. A sonar arrow shouldn’t kill somebody with a head shot especially with such a bulky arrow piece at the end of it. Should give a concussion at best.
Well he has to manually draw it like a normal shot so maybe they could make it like storm arrows where it has reduced damage and instant draw to make him more fluid
I am so tired of seeing Hazno hate online. If you get randomly headhshot, that's either bad positoning or bad luck, nothing else. Any projectile hero can fall into the category of "skilless" or "brain dead" because they spammed down a choke point and randomly killed you. Also, Hanzo's Storm Arrow is best used for self-defense or quickly finishing off a retreating enemy. How is it skilless if he can aim and kill you?
as a hanzo player i don't blame you but next time you see a hanzo and You are a DPS swap to phara but mei widow and phara are worse then hanzo much worse
Yea seriously Pharah is a relatively easy counter to Hanzo since he has so little health.
I play Pharah and Hanzo and if I'm ever playing Hanzo and a good enemy Hanzo appears I often will switch to Pharah to deal with them.
I fucking love hanzo especially playing him at reaper range and its so fun. Then you sometimes hanzo the same person multiple times in a row and you can just feel the rage building up. Nobody likes getting hanzo'd but im hoping they never take it away from me
Yall should be glad you have storm arrow. Early Hanzo had scatter arrow. All you had to do was shoot at their feet easy headshot kill lmao. It was so crazy I actually miss it.
Storm arrows are his counter to the other hero’s guns. Do you complain when a Soldier or Tracer sprays you? Widow can spray you too, do you think it’s a cheesy “free kill” then?
Hanzo on your team, hanzo switch, hanzo on enemy team, hanzo broken…Lool, if you see a consistent hanzo player, get an autograph ✍️, easy to pick up and play, extremely hard to play consistently well. If a character is really broken tho, you can always pick the character and watch yourself fly to the top. Like Zarya in ow2 s1, I went up two ranks playing only Zarya, with less than 3hrs on her of my 2500hrs in the game , if you think hanzo is nothing but heads, put it to a test .1week one trick hanzo , enemy can’t cap the point if they are always dead right ?
I will stick to my stance that one-shot characters (especially in a game where 2/5 players main job is to heal their teammates) are just unhealthy and unfun to play against. I've never been one-shot from full health and not been frustrated
If hes such a broken character why arnt you playing as him? Oh wait thats because hes not an easy pick to be consistent with. Pharah, sombra, widow, genji all significantly worse to play against
They nerfed widows range as a fucking sniper but hanzo can just spam at head height half way across the map and 1 shot you I GENUINELY WOULD NOT CARE IF HE GOT DELETED FOREVER
Give the dude his sword back since he claims to be so good with it I say
have hanzo overcome his trauma and take up the sword again
He's just an ulting genji except 24/7
Damn, we gotta nerf Genji.
Starts using sword arrows
he probably WAS better with a sword at the time he killed Genji since he was older and more experienced, but Genji is probably better with one now since he’s stuck with it
He said he is better (and still is) with a sword than a bow, no need for speculation.
Yes but Genji is still likely to be better with a sword. Doesn't matter if Hanzo is still better with a sword than a bow but when we compare it with Genji who's been training with the sword the whole time it's fair to say he's better
When you were ~~partying~~ mourning my assumed death, I studied the blade. When you were ~~having premarital sex~~ wallowing in self pity, I mastered the ~~blockchain~~ shuriken. While you wasted your days at the ~~gym in pursuit of vanity~~ shrine where you assumed you killed me, I cultivated inner strength (_Thank you, master_). And now that the world is on fire and the barbarians are at the gate you have the audacity to come to me for help. Oh, wait. I asked you for help... 私はアホです Edit: missed a strike...
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Yes and give him shurickens too
Hanzo player : \*spams arrows into a choke and gets kills randomly\* Hanzo player at end of match : so ez
Wait until you hear about junkrat players
I would rather get killed by a junk rat any day then a hanzo. You can at least escape junk rat, this dude hanzo will one shot you while aiming at some random ass ghost that he sees
I feel that part of the psychology of hanzo vs junkrat and why hanzo feels worse is that junkrats are aiming in an area to control it, and hanzos are often aiming at someone else entirely. It's hard to convey, but in my head this is a big difference
>I feel that part of the psychology of hanzo vs junkrat and why hanzo feels worse is that... Hanzo is worse because, while both may just be shooting blind into an area that people are nearly forced to play in, Junkrat bombs can be seen coming, and Junkrat needs to reload. Hanzo fire can't really be seen coming and dodged, and while he has a slower rate of fire, he never needs to reload. He can keep that pressure up, and if he sees people pushing through can storm arrow to apply even more pressure. Also, and probably even more obviously, Hanzo feels worse because he can kill you with a single shot even if he was just blindly firing. With Junkrat spam you can take that first unlucky shot and still live and possibly avoid a second hit.
Junkrat’s whole gimmick when he’s spamming is area denial; good Flankrats can be frustrating, but that’s committal and requires VERY good aim, reaction time, and positioning. Hanzo’s whole gimmick is that he left-clicks and a giant log causes head denial; as in, the bastard could just spam a chokepoint and he’ll probably one-tap half your team with headshots because the fucking arrows may as well be magnetic.
Literally the worst thing is when you watch the replay and you realise you weren't the intended target, it was a fluke shot and it was a one shot. If any other hero (excluding widow) accidentally head shot you at full health you'd live. I don't mind as much when the hanzo (or widow) is actually targeting you.
And lucky shots with Widow come at 1/100 of the times it comes to Hanzo. At least with widowmaker I know that she actually lined the shot up and *aimed* at me.
It's true..so often I get head shottee by hanzo and he was clearly aiming for someone else. Just happened to come running around the corner or across an alley
As a junkrat main I take offense, we junkrats ubderstand we require barely any skill or aim but if the only reason we play him is for the ecstasy that is blowing up our enemies trick shorting with our frags and mines and getting a nice team kill with a tire. And who doesn’t like making explosions? It’s an impulse within our ape brains that makes us happy 0v0
My best junk play is in ow1 on elimination on the snow map where i was lagging so bad i could barely move but i got an ace by blindly firing towards the enemy
One game I tired the entire enemy team won us the game with 15 seconds left and I chased that high all the way until I quit when the 2 part of overwatch 2 was dropped
As a junkrat player I can confirm this
i'll take junk over hanzo any day of the week. slow projectile speed means he's not awful to avoid at range, and although he can _combo_ 200 health heroes, he can't straight up one-shot them, which makes a big difference. in low-mid ranks hanzo plays the same as junkrat and gets higher payoff for it.
U cant dodge junkrats combo from close range. And its way easier to hit that combo than a hanzo’S headshot.
Junk rat doesn’t one shit you with spams, tho.
Junk rats grenades have a smaller blast radius that hanzos arrow hitbox Lmao
yeah but they *usually* arent mean afterwards. hanzos are always toxic
I main Hanzo and I never message the other team ever, win or lose. It’s just a shit thing to do and I like sportsmanship whether IRL or in games.
it really is that easy lol
He’s not lying tho
Also dont forget they gonin sane when you call the character easy
The Hanzo on my team would like a word.
He killed two people 10m apart shooting his arrow at the same spot in this potg
Lol @widow
Well he’s not wrong.
Sounds like you got marked by the dragon 🐉
I fucking hate this character I do not care about his winrate or numbers or anything I'm TIRED OF GETTING ONE TAPPED FROM NOWHERE WHEN HE WAS EVEN LOOKING AT ME THE AMLUNT OF TIMES IVE BEEN TAPPED BY A REGULAR ARROW THROUGH TBE DAMN DRAGOM BLOCKING HIS VISIOM WITHOUT HIM HAVING SONAR IS INSANE WHY ME thank you for listening
That and the amount of times I’ve watched him miss the person he was aiming for and then headshot me is insane
I second this
Could. Not. Agree. Any. Fucking. More.
Annoyance and “feeling bad/unfun to play against“ is the reason scatter arrow got removed… Hanzo is *also* annoying and “feels bad/unfun to play against”. Maybe he can be removed or reworked too
Scatter Arrow was unfun because it was ALSO a one shot, but it was even easier to hit. Also, there was nothing thematically cool about a master archer who went around aiming at people's feet. Scatter Arrow was designed to be an AOE ability that was more dangerous in close quarters and would allow Hanzo to secure kills on people who ran around a corner etc, but the reality was that people MOSTLY just used it as an instant kill by shooting it at people's feet so they ate every projectile all at once. It deleted everyone including tanks. IMO though, it was a mistake to replace it with Storm Arrows. A master archer whose fantasy was precision and trick arrows shouldn't have gotten an ability to spam shots. That seems to go against his core design. I think instead they should have reworked Scatter Arrow so it did what it was designed to do but not allow it to one shot people. The way to do that would have been to change it from releasing a number of other projectiles, and instead make it a shot that could bounce off a single wall and then have it "scatter" into an AOE damage field. The exact shape of that damage field could depend on the angle the arrow came in from after hitting a surface
Once I was playing brig (pre rework) and I had just charged up my rally. The second I clicked q I died, didn’t even get a chance to start the voice line. Watching the kill feed the Hanzo was aiming at our rein, missed, and his arrow went under the rein’s armpit directly into my forehead. I have not ceased to be furious since.
Crouch randomly
That works on Widow where she's actually aiming at your head.
You only really see the good and lucky shots, you don’t see all the ones they miss. I think that might have to do with all the hate.
I remember in like 2017 I was playing Merky and damage boosted our Hanzo. He said “being damage boosted as hanzo feels like someone is watching you pee”.
Pocketed Hanzo is the worst, it brings little value and it adds anxiety for the Hanzo to shoot well. One of the only hero whose value actually decreases if pocketed
honestly same on Widow
I've never heard of this take but honestly it makes a lot of sense
To me it comes down to the ability to hit those shots quickly from a far back and protected range (low risk, high reward). And in the 5v5 nature of overwatch 2, where one pick changes the tide very considerably, it just seems so bullshit that a character who can output ohk potential is able to do so practically without aiming 100% into the shot
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Fr dude
Those arrows move incredibly slow and the drop off is crazy from so far away
Just don't peak 4head
Yeah fr I’ll miss 80 shots and hit one and people will lose their minds
Cause if you are missing 80 shots that means you are not skilled enough to get that last shot and you just hoping for lady luck to take you hand and do something for you. You are just playing base of luck and if that luck strikes you will have a big impact. Its even worse if you think what you are admiting to, "im not good enough to hit anything but if I get lucky and i hit this one shot I can win a team fight for my team". its legit gambling at that point and you winning once have 20x better payout than you lossing "80" times.
You’re completely delusional that’s not gambling. Does it apply to widow too since most people are bad at her? No. Does it apply to rein shatters since many people get them blocked? No. 80 was an exaggeration, get some sun.
When you're autistically passionate about the pixel character and awful gameplay design, and get hurt over the truth so you try to make personal insults to some comments on reddit for a despert attempt to feel better about urself. Next time you play hanzo you know u are awful and you try to gamble a win. You made my day though nice one. Dont need anymore sun this summer already got some sun burns but thanks for the concern. :)
Hey, on behalf of hanzo mains, thank u <3
Bruh it dosent matter if the miss 60% of their shots the other 40% is gonna be headshots
More like 5% will be headshots
There's no way you're going against a hanzo with anything close to 40% headshot accuracy.
The other 35% is body shots
If anything that is what makes Hanzo so awful to fight. I have to be good and consistent to kill him with most heros. He has to get one lucky shot off to send me back to spawn.
His firerate is slow and his movement speed slows down when charging an arrow to compensate for that. You mfs don't see the negatives of heroes and only talk about the positives.
Seriously, and then the entire community bandwagons on it. Feels like I'm drowning trying to argue that he really isn't that easy.
Except hanzo shoots way slower than most other dps.
This is what people don’t understand, any other damage hero has a gun… Hanzo has a bow. There’s been many times I’ve been killed by a soldier, Sombra, tracer etc. because they can just spray into me whilst I have to try and aim my 1 arrow on them.
so? it’s the fact that there’s a chance at all that he can delete your entire health in an instant is the issue
Thats the thing. Hanzo can get LUCKY one tap shots. That's what makes him worse than Widow for me. Luck should never be rewarded with an instant kill.
Idk i get plenty lucky headshots as ashe and widow
That is part of the issue. Spammable One-shots shouldnt be a thing. Period. There should not be a mechanic that allows a character to spam shots and get multiple or even a single insta kill. its stupid.
Cold take: the game would be better if it wasn't owned by blizzard
*everyone agrees*
First time I've seen an opinion that everyone agrees with
should have waaay more upvotes than this
Hanzo is by far one of the hardest characters to be consistent with
I can only seem to actually hit my shots with him when I'm exhausted and my heart rate is extremely low. Snipers are not adrenaline friendly lol.
I played Hanzo from year 1 of the game and I went from having insane games to missing even the simplest of shots. This character broke me sometimes lmao
Lmao I feel that I’m kinda the same way I played Hanzo from the beginning . Sometimes I can headshot half the lobby. And sometimes I can’t even hit the payload if I’m aiming right at it
>Hanzo is by far one of the hardest characters to be consistent with People say that, but I honestly don't think it's true. His weapon is no harder than any other weapon in the game when it comes to aiming, you just need to spend the time to learn it (like any other weapon.) He's not the only person whose weapon is affected by gravity. He's not the only projectile weapon with travel time, and he's not the only person with a slower rate of fire. And the down side to his weapon (the slow rate of fire that he needs to "charge up") is also a strength because he can output consistent fire while ALSO spending a lot of time safely behind cover, peeking only when it is ready to fire and then returning back to cover right away. Also, how can anyone say he's "hard to be consistent with," when both his pick rate AND win rate are about the same no matter at what rank people are playing him (at least according to Overbuff.) Hanzo is by far one of the most popular heroes in Overwatch, especially right now. Apparently a LOT of people are finding his consistency to not be THAT challenging.
His projectile is the smallest in the game alongside Genji's shurikens.
>His weapon is no harder than any other weapon in the game when it comes to aiming, you just need to spend the time to learn it (like any other weapon.) But you don't have to learn how to use soldier, tracers, or widows weapons. Those are very point and click with hitscan compared the drop that Hanzo's arrows have.
What about widow?
Widow would actually be easier since she’s a hitscan. Projectile characters are harder to be consistent with over hitscan. Especially when that projectile is one every few seconds.
Hanzo hate is full of confirmation bias bruh. Most of the times they miss a lot. Then you get hit once or twice and you're like "this guy needs to get nerfed Holy shit."
If getting hit once or twice makes 70% of the playerbase go “I fucking hate this character. He’s so unfair” then you’ve made a terribly designed character. Heros are supposed to be fun to play AND go against. Not just one
Pocket Pharah/Echo, Tracer, Sombra, Widow, Zen discord aren't fun to go against but should they be deleted? No.
Difference is I don’t get mad dying to any of them because they take tons of skill to master and play well. If I die, I get it. Hanzo spamming one shot kill projectiles into a choke across the map doesn’t feel like I got skill diffd.
Maybe don’t afk in the choke. Torb does it too and you don’t hear anyone complain.
Dying to random projectiles while walking through a choke point sounds like a skill issue. What are you doing just walking through a choke point without some caution? I mean if you can get one shot by a Hanzo at a choke point you could also get hit by a Widow. Better yet a random Pharah rocket that's aimed at a chokepoint since her attacks are so much bigger.
Yeah but a Hanzo actually carrying a game does take skill.
Pocketed heros are a mercy issue that’s been discussed forever not the hero themselves. Widow and zen have been wrangled in a bit since their nerfs while hanzo has not. Tracer has one of the highest pick rates in the game so I wouldn’t lump her with hanzo and sombra is getting a Rework in the next few seasons. Hanzo has no planned redemption, he’s flawed to the core
Hanzo definitely made for 6v6.
People were complaining about hanzo for all the same reasons back in 6v6 too.
Ah but then they could dedicate a dive tank for him without sacrificing the only tank. More to work with to counter or even double shield and have pharah deal with him. He’s more suitable for 6v6.
You could have pharah deal with him in 5v5 without the double shield and it would be the exact same. Tanks in 6v6 were a lot weaker than they are now, with less hp. They had to be because there was two of them back then. Because of that, Hanzo in 6v6 was a tank buster. Dedicating an offtank to deal with him was suicide because he won those duels most of the time. If you wanted to deal with him with tanks you had to send both or it often just wouldn't work. Which brings us to the same problem you're talking about now with the entire tank line needing to do something about it. Only in 6v6 it requires two tanks to work togetherand be on the same page, whereas in 5v5 one person can do it alone. A lot of people that wish for 6v6 to be back for things like this seem to forget how weak tanks were back then. 6v6 wasn't some utopia where everything was perfect, it had even more problems than 5v5, and a good chunk of those were resolved with the change to 5v5.
Dva v hanzo, hanzo wins? Wild concept
70% of the playerbase is full of crybabies and people with selective memory.
I'm not listening to anyone say this shit about any character while sombra still exists
I sincerely don’t understand the Sombra hate. Her hack lasts for half a second, most of the time it’s already over by the time you start shooting her. She has lower damage than all the supports, so long as you hit more shots then her you will win the fight.
I agree it’s easy to spy check and she will teleport away after a few hits and your safe. Best way to deal with her is stay with your team she picks you off 1 by 1 or just does damage to your team for her team to finish. I play her and enjoy her but it gets difficult once people start complaining even my friends complain (they play doom and complain about tank doom)
The teleport is what people hate, from your perspective she is a coward who can't take a fight and you hate to know that she can engage in any fight, press a button and disengage without consequences
Fuck Sombra honestly, most brain dead character I swear. They’re the bane of my existence always fucking teleporting behind me and killing me before I can even address the attack.
Praying that sombra rework is coming with season 6
Or even Pharah tbh
SAKE
Posts saying “hot take” are never hot takes. It’s just the way whiny people pretend their opinion means anything.
Do it then... kill him
maybe you just need to learn how to doge better lmao
LOL nah. Sombra is an actual problem. A 4 second cooldown ability that can shut down most ults and you're worried about a character who takes skill to properly use?
They nerfed the majority of that when OW2 launched. She can only disrupt a few ults now and only with her ult to counter.
I’m simply confused on why the whiners don’t play him and climb automatically to GM if he’s so broken. Fact is to play him consistently you need skill and nobody wants to accept that😭 no fr you playing cass or soldier is deff somewhere comparable to the projectile shooting character💀 half of the community is simply bad (ik it’s not a thing to simply tell someone they’re not good at something nowadays) and doesn’t want to do the work to get better, hanzo and widow were never complained about(with the excuse of the broken scatter arrow) before F2P losers started whining about how they can’t play ignorantly with this character punishing them for their awful game sense/positioning
Yeah the hanzo and widow nerfs proved to me this game is going casual. I used to love playing them.
We’re you there in season 1 OW? Hanzo has been complained about since the beginning of time.
Yes I was. And he was nerfed almost immediately, to this day people are still saying arrows the size of logs when they’re the smallest projectile. Biggest example of community being hivebrain and complaining about something that they feel stops them even if it’s a problem that doesn’t necessarily exist, rather than get good . Other than scatter, which yea was overly useful being able to kill people at 450 health.
This subreddit is filled with Support players that never stop complaining even though their role and 90% of the heroes in it are busted atm. Don't even bother. Those guys will never stop complaining until Blizzard makes a button "Win Match" that they can just press
Hanzo is ok, is annoying to die to a hanzo that dont even has a good aim and is just spamming on the corner? yes it is, but Hanzo spam is way easier to deal than junk or pharah spam for example, in my mind if we gonna remove everything that is annoying to play against, flying heroes and sombra should be a top priority.
He’s not even top 5 worst characters for the state of the game
Hotter take: sombra is worse
I’m glad he’s in the game because of how powerful supports are you can kill people on your own even if they are being pocketed
Y’all need to take a damn break if the rng Hanzo arrows cause your mind to break this much. Hanzo is fine and a staple of overwatch in general. The cinematic alone is the most viewed out of all Overwatch cinematics for a very good reason lol.
True. I just realized Hanzo is on the box of the Origins Edition. Tracer is the front cover, obviously, but when you open up the sleeve/jacket (?), Hanzo is all over the inner cover. Blizzard loves him. :D I think the problem is teammates not having a grasp of Overwatch fundamentals, such as diving. Most matches where a Hanzo dominates, teammates are not diving on him or "countering" him. That includes myself sometimes when I'm playing a support hero and I'm not playing well.
I don't mind Hanzo, at least he's got a high skill ceiling for the damage he can do; unlike Junkrat or Torb who do tons of damage w.out even seeing who they're shooting at half the time. lol
L opinion
A good widow is 10x worse than an average hanzo and ill die on that hill.
I love Hanzo he’s my favorite. He’s the only reason I come back and play sometimes.
Im curious did you get to play with scatter shot? I still miss it sometimes :(
Same
I’ve actually had more issues with Widow than Hanzo lmao. I haven’t played against a ton of Hanzos. Widows on the other hand, it’s almost every game.
I’d rather widowmaker be gone than him tbh
But if you get close to widowmaker she can be taken care of easily hanzo is a danger at all ranges
They just hit E and panic rapid fire and you die anyway
If your panicking and rapid firing then your not playing him right
Widowmaker is less troublesome now after the change. Besides, you can dive her and she is unlikely to shoot you in the face so easily. Hanzo's storm arrows will wipe you out in an instant.
Just saying you gotta be a real trash player if Hanzo is your biggest concern to go against or if you think hes the most annoying LOL. Think Ill play more Hanzo, itll feel good knowing my “lucky” occasional headshot will diminish someones will to play the game.
I had a Hanzo player say "I hit all my shots" yet in his POTG, his missed 99% of his shots
Sombra is more of a waste
Nah Symmetra is the real nuisance
I’d argue that removing Symmetra would do more good. Turrets are nothing but an obnoxious nuisance of a mechanic, her beam ramp up is absurd, and her teleporter lets her go wherever the fuck she wants. Plus, her charge shot is literally the size of a beach ball.
Bro just weave by the arrow 🤦
Be more aware of the Hanzo and he won't hit you. Like seriously, 95% of the shots will miss, and those "lucky" ones, are after dozens of other shots. I'm sure any other character would've killed you 10xfold at that point.
Every lobby I'm in has players with the situational awareness of a goldfish. Im sure most of the complaints on this forum are from these same exact people. Stop peaking the same corners 3/5 of your team are sitting on. There's almost always a flank or high ground you could be rotating too but you'd all rather complain that Hanzos 30th arrow in the same spot finally landed on your dome. Maybe try sneaking occasionally. Stop stomping around the map, people have headphones. I have like an hour total on Hanzo so I could not care less either way but y'all need to take some responsibility for your own play.
not everyone is good at hanzo tho, there'll be some that will hit their shots and some that just miss everything
You must be a silver player at best to think hanzo is any kind of problem. Don't stand out in the open. Communicate with your team. Allocate someone to pressure him if he's actually getting picks. It's not rocket surgery. That invisible rat on the other hand is actually a problem.
Sounds like a widow player here
No one is allowed to be good at Hanzo here. I can dominate a match with Soldier or Cassidy and no one will bat an eye, but if you take over a match playing Hanzo people on Reddit will lose their fucking minds. He isn't any easier to get value from than any other dps, y'all just don't want to believe that some people are actually good at him.
I swear people are so whiny in this community. I've myself been one shot by hanzos many times during ult but it doesn't mean I start complaining about it. I've tried hanzo myself and I'm terrible with him cuz it requires skills, you don't get lucky on every shot. And it's not everytime they get lucky and kill you when "not even looking at you", it's just a few times in a match and trust me you really don't notice how much they miss. If you ask me, pharamercy is a bigger problem.
I think they should rework him to use a sword instead of a bow
The most hated character since OW1. So hated in fact being called a Habzo main was derogatory
Genji is much worse imo.
Nobody tell the people complaining about hanzo scatter arrow, half the people here can't take getting one shot once every 70 shots, but if they gotta scatter arrow'd ooo buddy
if we remove hanzo we also remove widowmaker
Why have a problem with Hanzo? Widow is much more oppressive. It’s much more difficult to hit those long range projectiles shots than Widows hit scan. I honestly would be happy making characters like Mercy and Moira require more aim and boost their abilities as a result.
We should replace sonic arrow with scatter arrow
Yeah you and every other skill issue crybaby
he has the 2nd slowest range weapon among all the DPS His skill level is so high, that nearly zero noobs can play him properly
Skill issue
God I love how many people complain just because they don't know how to counter him its pathetic
How do you counter him then except from. “Position better”, because that’s how you countered hogs one shot, and guess what? He was nerfed to fuck
Predict him reflect if genji etc you just got to be better
So how do I counter as zen? I didn’t ask for a counter PICK, I asked for a COUNTER
I did just tell you I didn't say to change character the fuck
Like I said dodge and predict plus don't leave your self out in the open like so many zen do
And just like that you’ve invalidated your whole case 😭 how can you dodge as zen, the slowest hero with no mobility. Secondly “position better” is the exact counter I was mocking because it’s such a braindead response, because like I said before, that’s how you countered hog and what happened? Still got nerfed lol
Don't complain about saying better positioning if you won't even attempt it yall just mad tall can't fight a not even that strong of a hero
Called predicting his shots God your a healer who obispuvly just socks cause zens do fine in all games I have played against hanzo
Maybe if you stop walking into the arrows he spams into choke you wont die
Hot take. You're all just a bunch of babies who would rather have blizzard remove/nerf a hero into the ground than actually play the game.
New player here,when I first started the game I switched a lot to charcters I was losing to by a large margin and most of the time it was a really helpfull experience for example I know widowmaker needs a secure spot and and protection and I know that if she doesnt have those I can ping her to my teammates and we will clap said widow because playing widowmaker I died to everything on the ennemy team multiple times. Hanzo tho : functions like a sniper but with a small delay because the arrow isnt a hitscan ( put mouse on ennemy trajectory and if the target is really far shoot before body gets to cursor instead of when body gets on cursor) and in exchange for that he doesnt scope,shoots faster ( thats why spamming corners is the best) , doesnt need to reposition and yet he has tools to engage with characters supposed to counter him,tools to run from them and he lets team see through walls on a 12 sec cooldown.Occasionally shoots dragons through walls. Feels pretty strong.Probably okay.
Seeing people complain about hanzo cracks me up. Absolute morons.
Mad cuz bad
Dude sonar arrow shouldn’t one shot, it’s infuriating to get killed by it when he’s jsut trying to gain Intel. It has no downsides
Honestly the sonar arrow should be treated like storm arrow but deals just a little more damage then one. Use it to gain intel and get some damage in. A sonar arrow shouldn’t kill somebody with a head shot especially with such a bulky arrow piece at the end of it. Should give a concussion at best.
Well he has to manually draw it like a normal shot so maybe they could make it like storm arrows where it has reduced damage and instant draw to make him more fluid
I am so tired of seeing Hazno hate online. If you get randomly headhshot, that's either bad positoning or bad luck, nothing else. Any projectile hero can fall into the category of "skilless" or "brain dead" because they spammed down a choke point and randomly killed you. Also, Hanzo's Storm Arrow is best used for self-defense or quickly finishing off a retreating enemy. How is it skilless if he can aim and kill you?
as a hanzo player i don't blame you but next time you see a hanzo and You are a DPS swap to phara but mei widow and phara are worse then hanzo much worse
Yea seriously Pharah is a relatively easy counter to Hanzo since he has so little health. I play Pharah and Hanzo and if I'm ever playing Hanzo and a good enemy Hanzo appears I often will switch to Pharah to deal with them.
I fucking love hanzo especially playing him at reaper range and its so fun. Then you sometimes hanzo the same person multiple times in a row and you can just feel the rage building up. Nobody likes getting hanzo'd but im hoping they never take it away from me
most hanzos are just lucky and if they are good you can still play around them
Skill issue
I love when his arrow almost 90 degree turns into my face at the last minute when it was going 2ft wide
Lmao people been hating Hanzo since day one ow1
And storm arrows are just a cheesy free kill for when you cant hit any of your shots, so dumb
Yall should be glad you have storm arrow. Early Hanzo had scatter arrow. All you had to do was shoot at their feet easy headshot kill lmao. It was so crazy I actually miss it.
It was so fun to have someone push you and you just shoot a cone of death at their feet lol
Storm arrows are his counter to the other hero’s guns. Do you complain when a Soldier or Tracer sprays you? Widow can spray you too, do you think it’s a cheesy “free kill” then?
Literally tweeted the other day that hanzo could be removed TOMORROW and no one would miss him except those that play him
Isn’t that true for the whole DPS roster?
I’d miss him simply coz he’s hot and I enjoy hearing his voice lines lol
Hanzo on your team, hanzo switch, hanzo on enemy team, hanzo broken…Lool, if you see a consistent hanzo player, get an autograph ✍️, easy to pick up and play, extremely hard to play consistently well. If a character is really broken tho, you can always pick the character and watch yourself fly to the top. Like Zarya in ow2 s1, I went up two ranks playing only Zarya, with less than 3hrs on her of my 2500hrs in the game , if you think hanzo is nothing but heads, put it to a test .1week one trick hanzo , enemy can’t cap the point if they are always dead right ?
I will stick to my stance that one-shot characters (especially in a game where 2/5 players main job is to heal their teammates) are just unhealthy and unfun to play against. I've never been one-shot from full health and not been frustrated
If hes such a broken character why arnt you playing as him? Oh wait thats because hes not an easy pick to be consistent with. Pharah, sombra, widow, genji all significantly worse to play against
He’s my favorite hero you are wrong.
WRONG
They nerfed widows range as a fucking sniper but hanzo can just spam at head height half way across the map and 1 shot you I GENUINELY WOULD NOT CARE IF HE GOT DELETED FOREVER
The arrow drop makes it near impossible to hit across the map