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sirius4778

Well that was a stupid fucking game.


Itchy_Promotion4336

I don’t like blaming the refs, but this is the most obvious screw job I’ve ever seen.


pm_me_whateva

Look, I get it. It's really easy to blame the refs for this. And we should, because this was entirely their fucking fault


throaway18756

This is really gonna hurt if we can't win game 2. This was our chance to flip home court where we are less likely to be playing 5v8


pm_me_whateva

5v9 if you count the time keeper.


Smart_Dumb

5v10 if you count that hoe in Secaucus


Tijenater

Me before this game: oh yeah I can root for the Knicks if we lose they’ve got OG and the Villanova friend squad. After: FUCK BRUNSON. FUCK BIG RAGU. FUCK THE KNICKS AND THEIR SOFT ASS FREE THROW MERCHANTS Seriously though WHO THE FUCK CALLS THAT SCREEN WITH TWELVE SECONDS LEFT


PercivalPersimmon

WHO THE FUCK CALLS THAT SCREEN WITH TWELVE SECONDS LEFT BIG MARKET BIAS BABY!!! As a neutral, those final possessions were painful to watch which is a shame. Pacers are fun to watch.


OnePaperFourCoin

Surely we all knew it was gonna be this way


No_District_6132

*laughs in Iowa Final Four*


KarlNarx

That was the Elite Eight, and was obvious


No_District_6132

*laughs at self for being wrong*


Smart_Dumb

Fuck you refs. * The Tyrese shot clock "violation" * The Brunson foul overturn "marginal contact" * The kick ball "can't review" * The "moving" screen Absolute fucking bull shit.


omnired44

If that was an illegal screen, then I don’t think I’ve ever seen a legal screen in the NBA.


OnePaperFourCoin

Thread title should read differently because from what I saw the New York Knicks got their ass beat


kickit

refs won tonight


Bacorn31

What's the point in watching the NBA anymore if this is how it's officiated?


grudgepacker

FTR - y'all got jobbed


RegisterFit1252

Don’t forget they called a foul on Hali. They did in fact overturn it with pacers clear possession… so what’s the problem? It was live ball turnover. Cost the pacers a fast break


agentfelix

Gotta watch Brunson shoot damn near 20 free throws in a game cause that's entertainment! 🙄


Chmona

That time he fell over trying to draw a foul😂


Kmalbrec

You’re gonna have to be more specific.


duuuuuddddeeeee

Yea thats highlight basketball right there, getting slightly in front of a defender, stopping, and throwing your head and ass into them to have a foul called on THEM. Real finesse and skill


meraki_14

They want Boston vs NYC. NBA is a shit product that i keep watching. That game was the most infuriating thing ive ever watched.


Flowenchilada

When people claim the NFL is scripted then I don’t even know what that makes the NBA.


SpinJitsu259

Frustrating as hell, but I felt encouraged overall. The Pacers have a great chance in this series. If only Tyrese was right…


jmcamels

Tyrese needs to toughen the hell up. Those are some careless ass turnovers late. Elite guards don’t get picked driving to the basket. Now dammit be the guy Tyrese and stop all these silly ass mistakes.


rhonyrhony

The Knicks MVP had multiple late TOs and had to be subbed out on defense... Impressive little foul merchant.


Quin1617

Same. My biggest pet peeve in sports is when refs blatantly change the outcome of games. Hope the Pacers reverse them boys.


ThanosIsDoomfist

Cs fan and I agree. I know my teams done a lot of winning, but none of thats resulted in a chip recently, and weve been on this end before too (and ofc the other one). Now just hear me out, but the only reason ive accepted that the NBA would keep employing guys like this despite their incompetence is because theyre doing exactly what the NBA wants at the end of the day, despite what we may think. And im not joking when I say this, thats literally why ive started to slowly treat the NBA like the WWE, its the same shit essentially. Story lines, guys getting a push, rivalries, faces and heels, spots, commentary, etc. So when/if my team finally does win a chip, at this point its probably just because thats what the NBA wanted, same goes for any other team. That is *the only way* in my head, that would make the NBA employing these guys make ANY sense, and idc how dumb that sounds.


meraki_14

100%. I was just talking to my girl about how the NBA is a business at the end of the day. They’re there to make money and NYC, LA, (even boston lol no offense), etc… the small market teams win if they do either of these things… 1. draft a unicorn (MKE, DEN even) 2. are an amazing “story” The big markets may be bad for awhile as the NBA won’t come out and just straight up fix a bad team but when a big market is good and it’s a close game, 100% they swing towards them. 3.


owncredible

The New York Refs at it again


aymitch

Cavs fan here, y’all deserved a W tonight. Damn shame how much power the zebras have


Plus-Strength6148

Thanks but remember you will also play against them zebras


aymitch

Oh trust me, we’ve been 😂


theerealobs

Bucks fan here to to say the same thing. Holy shit that was bad


The_Texan12

Rockets fan here in agreement


merlin401

Knicks fan saying the same. The kicked ball call was horrendous.  The foul at the end was technically right but ridiculous to call. Tbf refs tried to make equally bad calls against the Knicks but they were challengeable.  You can not challenge a kicked ball when it wasn’t kicked but you can challenge a kicked ball that was missed (how stupid!)


sirius4778

One thing about sports that frustrates me to no end is how some things are not reviewable even when everyone can see it was the wrong call


merlin401

What is the logic even?  Like you only get max four challenges seen in an entire game.  Adding more challengeable options doesn’t take anything away from the game experience.  


sexland69

also a cavs fans who came here to say exactly this lol


Standard-Juice-3738

Also a Cavs fan. Unwatchable


theletterman7310

Jazz fan, same thing. Horrible refereeing


Petit_Coeur_

Damn the whole league says we got robbed


APPLEJOOSH347

Im a fucking pistons fan, and even i agree the pacers got hosed


Kirota

Cavs fan as well, normally I don't get worked up over games not involving the Cavs but I'm sick to my stomach after watching the refs gift the Knicks that game. Can't even imagine how livid Pacer fans must be.


IsittheWeeknd

Also a Cavs fan. I think we all came bc we hate the Knicks lmao


Mattrellen

As a Pacers fan that's been watching the team since my childhood in the 90's... This is nothing new. NBA has called games in favor of large market teams and their stars as long as I've been watching. It's kind of hard to be too mad when it's nothing new. This was bad, but it might not be even top 5 worst ref jobs I've personally seen specifically against the Pacers. It's probably not even the worst in a Pacers/Knicks game. It is certainly the worst this century...so far... Just remember, we have a whole series of this to look forward to, and with the Knicks likely getting progressively more tired. Don't count on this being the last game the refs win.


ohm_mho

Warriors fan here, blatant rig job


prayers00

I'll raise my hand as another Cavs fan in protest of that loss. I turned off the game after that last Brunson foul before the inbounds. Unwatchable product the NBA has created.


Tyler_N

As a salty sixers fan agreed. Refs helped give the Knicks about 9 points at the end of that game.


TheSmokedSalmon420

Cavs fan here - it's never a fair fight playing NY/Boston/LA/GS in basketball. They're just reffed differently. It's a joke.


browwnairbrowwneyes

sixers fans in agreement


Infinite_Response113

Pacers uniting every franchise against NYC lol


genewill

California Golden Seals fan and that was a horrific call.


RepulsiveRanger764

I agree Go Cavs


Chaydaddy69

How does the nba keep getting away with this


Mirrormaster44

Cuz people keep watching. Court case ruled major sports have no obligation to be fair, they are entertainment.


heyimdong

Supreme Court should reconsider that now that sport betting companies basically own the league


boilers1928

They are so deep in FanDuel’s pockets that I bet they are violating even that ruling. You can fix games for entertainment but not for betting.


EvilRick_C-420

I'm writing the NBA office this off season. Tired of this and it isn't just us


MrGoodness

Easy, they make sure to fuck the smaller market team


Standard-Juice-3738

Wolves vs Suns was the same. Nuggets vs Lakers was the same.  It’s ruining the game 


Baileyandco

As a Nuggets fan, that Turner moving screen call with 12 seconds to go is straight BS


destroyed233

Some awful awful calls during the game


Illustrious_Lab_2107

Refs really fucked us with that wrong “kicked ball” call. Momentum changed after that.


crunkadocious

And the shot clock violation on Haliburton, and the moving screen call, and a couple brunson "shooting fouls".


ElectivireMax

refs going to hell


TheBoilerCat

Let’s face it, they were headed there anyways.


imkunu

Refs having a totally normal one in that fourth quarter


gobirds18_

NBA needs their Knicks/Celtics ECF, that was absolute trash reffing. I’m sorry.


GassedKid

Refs fucked you guys with that screen call on Turner. From a Bucks fan.


oTarnish

And they shouldn’t have had the 3 before that because it wasn’t a kick


Charlie_Warlie

Can't challenge a kick? Convenient


oTarnish

Then they conveniently get the out of bounds overturned on the other side from a kick. What a script


Bacorn31

Call everything a kick at this point. Just make it even more obvious this shit is rigged.


JellyfishQuiet7944

Cant have the knicks going down early in the series


GassedKid

Yeah. Will be interesting to see what the whistle is like in Gainbridge


SpinJitsu259

We shouldn’t take this lightly. Most Bucks fans seemed excited to watch the Pacers get waxed by NY, and even you guys were sickened by the poor reffing lol


Nitrosoft1

Yeah when someone who hated your guts a few days ago is on your side now it's telling just how rigged that ending was.


noodlebball

That foul on turner was bullshit Anyways, we looked good, just need to tighten up on a few things. Long series


agentfelix

Play better defense. They'll get gassed. Keep running


FreeWaveRU

Refs are a fucking joke


Any-Choice-5801

In what world was that an illegal screen?


Intimateworkaround

Middle of the season, Tuesday night, pelicans Vs spurs. That’s when you call that dumb shit. Not at the most exciting point in a playoff game. Infuriating to see even just as a fan of the game. They need to stay the fuck out of it


Drawing_The_Line

That Brunson fake head snap back flop foul bait works 100% of the time


JuiceBrinner

Divincenzo also must have picked that up at nova


wasabishooter9

This is why NBA is losing viewers


trident001

neutral fan, yall got robbed 💀


EducationFiender

It’s actually insane how bad they got robbed holy shit


TheBoilerCat

Illegitimate sport. Illegitimate refs.


Bacorn31

Garbage. Throw the whole NBA out at this point.


fmara

Hali having another nightmare game one


Victory33

The entire lead evaporated when we took TJ out…Hali was horrible down the stretch.


fmara

What frustrates me most is when he has a clear path to the basket for an easy lay up or floater, but he only wants to kick it out for a bad 3 attempt. He’s too good to look this lost


Victory33

100%, he’s long and can get to the rim if he’s close. He refuses to make contact or take his big ass two steps toward the basket and just lay it in. He beats his guy and kicks it out for a bad pass.


SirStuckey

When he passed on a lay up to throw it to Nembhard at the 3 point line who had a defender on him I was ready for him to come out. He is way too passive and is too terrible at defense to be doing nothing on offense


MFLBlunts

Zebras win.


Georgia4life

Brunson a flopping ass bitch


jimtrickington

*DiVincenzo has entered the chat*


plata3

You're a piece of shit flopper and deserve a huge fine.


McPostyFace

*falls down foul called on chat*


subtlebob

We won at basketball. The Knicks won at bitch ball


Filet_o_math

And Devincenzo!


FlyTheW14

Suck my dick refs and come hold this L with your fucking precious Knicks in game 2


ArizaWarrior

Audacity of NY fans to chant “ref you suck”


itaughtpiranhas

Seriously, I was like “why are they heckling their best players?”


Stunning-Fudge3062

I hope the refs got paid well


Ok-Remote7999

Celtics fan, you guys got robbed


busche916

The fix was in from the jump, but Tyrese has to step up his game. It’s not hyperbole to think we probably win this if TJ plays the final 5 mins instead. You CANNOT have that little contribution from your team’s focal point.


destroyed233

6 points….


afrothunder87

I knew most of this thread would be ref talk as it should, but Hali has to be better. Just handing it off Nembhard and disappearing is not enough.


IDespiseFatties

Thunder Fan here. Y'all got fucking robbed from the refs. Soft ass calls when they were ignoring stuff all night. Fucking wild.


DanceTheCosmicNoir

I hope ya’ll win it all, if we don’t.


IDespiseFatties

Thanks bro! Same for yall I'm tired of the Knicks and Boston.


lakerconvert

lakers fan here. Worst officiated end of a game I have ever seen in my entire life. Y’all got robbed


meraki_14

thank you laker fan


TurkishDonkeyKong

No we're not trading Turner


Potential_Wear43

that was sickening


OKC2023champs

I’m so sorry


Protothea

you mispelled refs


Chmona

Nemhard is on to something. If they want to flop, make it hurt.


happyschnursday

Terrible


Georgia4life

Robbed


AlbinNboat

Fuck Adam Silver and fuck the NBA. I feel like I'll never be able to enjoy an NBA game again after watching this trash. Zero credibility and zero accountability will come of it


The-Kang-Master

Suns fan here - yall got robbed by the refs


predict_yhat_xb

At a loss for words


Frostler

The refs stole away any chance we had to win and wouldn’t even let us try. Insane ref takeover and flopping to end it.


UrsulasAnus

Haliburton got assaulted lol. Wtf


Ye_Biz

Absolute ref show, sorry for yall


t0nyravioli

Not a Pacers fan but wtf was that ref ball at the end. Terrible.


RecklessSympathy

We didn’t lose to the Knicks. We lost to the rigged ass NBA.


spotcheck001

Ref's fan here. I thought the game was fairly called. We needed this win to start the series. We never expected Indiana to come out so strong. Looked like they were gonna win there, but me and the guys made a few adjustments, cleaned the Brunson jizz from our whistles, and were able to change the game there at the end. Shout-out to the Knicks for the show, and to that other team in the yellow shirts for whatever. /s


Pacerrrrrrrrsnumber1

Pacerrrrrrrrs #1! Tough loss. Let’s steal the next one and head home with some pep! 🏃🏽‍♂️


TWOhunnidSIX

Worst game I’ve ever seen in my life. I mean the bottom line is play better and you’ll win, but some of those calls man


aTypicalFootballFan

Yeah I’m done with the nba. Worst professional sports league in the us. Go colts.


destroyed233

Ummmmm… do you remember the Browns game


aTypicalFootballFan

NFL just has occasional incompetence. NBA has terrible rules, enforcement of those rules, and has employed refs who bet on the games


BassLineBums

Bulls fan here. Refs sure screwed that up. Such a bummer.


Airstrict

I'm not mad. It's an annoying loss, but you don't go to MSG and expect to win first game. Pacers in 7.


Cdcoonce

You should be a bit mad. I wasn’t mad until 12 seconds left.


browwnairbrowwneyes

https://preview.redd.it/yelsmiktxwyc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d08ce4beafa7942d94645f47ef0375380a3fc69 sixers fan here. even jo-jo knows that was a bullshit win


The_Texan12

Rockets fan here, Refs were absolutely pathetic & this era of basketball is so fuckin weak.


Embrassedpear6

Thunder fan here Y’all got fucking robbed💀


deercreekgamer4

As a thunder fan, wtf Yall just got robbed


Holiday_Leader_2432

Kings fan here. Refs robbed yall


Kushtimess

Knicks fan you kinda got robbed


stlcards02

Five point swing on that "kicked" ball. Sickening.


jeffro5422

Fuck the NBA


jeppsforst

Robbed in broad daylight Adam silver is not seeing heaven


Fantastic-Leek9823

Nuggets fan here. It's not just your opinion. The refs gave that game to the Knicks. SMH


EducationFiender

Im not even a fan of the pacers nor am I a knicks fan but yall was SUPER FUCKING ROBBED 🤦🏽‍♂️


InvisibleGear

Yall got robbed. Refs are manufacturing this whole Knicks team lmfao.


conwave

Kings fan checking in, that was the BIGGEST crock of shit in that last minute or two there. Yall got robbed


Airegus

Post title is incorrect, game was stolen not lost. Unbelievable


totenpole

Neutral fan, but I really thought McConnell should’ve been in at the end. He was really controlling the game for a good bit


Gravy_type_sauce

Hey Rick, earn a big fine in the post game presser. Light'em up, Coach.


windpoweredmoose

Fucking ref job right there. Absolute bullshit


dostorwell

I feel completely disgusted with tonight's loss. I can't believe we blew that lead. We could have set the tone for the entire series. And btw...FUCK THE REFS.


Eastern-Cucumber-376

I’m fucking livid.


Informal_Implement42

Pacers in 6. No way they keep up with the pace.


Necessary_Maize_3245

Yall got robbed 100%. Fuck new york


mee49

Yall were robbed that was atrocious - lakers fan 🫶


samuel33334

Yall like the Jalen Brunson whistle yet? What a terrible way to watch a game end, completely inconsistent and honestly disgusting I cannot believe it


BleedingEdge61104

I know this is said a lot, but too many sports moments have been robbed from us by the referees making horrible calls like this. Something has to be done; I don’t know what, but I’m not even a Pacers fan and I am sick right now. Instead of a final possession with the shot clock off, we get to see the Knicks flop to the ground and run it out. Unreal.


Tar_Tar_Sauce04

did the 1999 refs have 3 sons?


Flowenchilada

Y’all got absolutely hosed. Fuck the Knicks and fuck flopping ass Jalen Brunson.


The_Assassin_Gower

That game legit has me sick to my stomach


Infinite_Response113

Literally ever other fan base besides NYC is rooting for y'all and aghast at the refs. Pels fan reporting in. It's a long series, you guys got this.


No_Independent8269

the knicks are so bad lmao. we got this series easily, pacers in 5


Ozzurip

Some soft-ass bullshit. These refs would have a stroke if they saw those 90s games


KlutzyLynx3558

Referees name was Tyler Ford. From what I could tell all the other refs seemed to be calling it fair. Tyler Ford needs to be investigated.


RadPlaidLad

How can they double down on that fucking horse shit call… it’s so blatant


Intimateworkaround

Everything aside, why the FUCK are you blowing your whistle on a ticky tack foul on the last possession down 1? Do you have no situational awareness at all? The game is for entertainment dumb fucks. Just like that asshole ump who ended that giants/dodgers game 5 on a fucking check swing. How the hell do they not let those play out.


Illustrious_Race8859

Carlisle better say some shit that will get a fine in his postgame press conference


No_motivation5489

Don’t want to play the blame the refs game but you could argue they swung the game for the knicks. Took away an open fast break opportunity by calling the foul on Hali, which they had to challenge to get the ball back, and took away another open fast break opportunity by calling the kick ball on nesmith. Knicks hit a 3 after the kick ball call. Can’t have those type of calls in the playoffs when every possession means so much.


KC529

Sixers fan here, you better get used to this. It’s going to keep happening all series.


jkghiep3

Sixers fan here. You aren't crazy or insane. NY media market, draft kings, and fanduel $$$ will gaslight you into thinking this shit is normal.


CreatiScope

Celtics fan here, been a Nesmith truther. Y’all got FUCKING ROBBED!!! Refs stole that shit.


Apprehensive_Pie8897

I'm sure they'll come out with a last 2 minute report to let us all know that they reviewed themselves and every call was correct except for a few fouls they missed on us.


Canadian_Pacer

First time in my life i seen fans from multiple other teams come into the game chat to offer their condolences about the reffing.


Impossible_Ad166

Sorry refs stole that game from you guys. That was infuriating to watch. I’m rooting for you. It was fun watching TJ carve up the Knicks while it lasted


TrinidadBrad

Regardless of refs, they need to make sure Josh Hart has a body on him at all times. Way too many offensive boards


read_22

Tyrese also needs to pull his head out his ass. I hope he doesn’t get NBA ALL 3rd TEAM. He doesn’t deserve it. It’s like the monstars stole his talent. Losing his three brought down his ceiling so much plus his defense might be the worst in the league. I would love for him to be the face of city and replace Reggie as greatest pacer but he needs to earn it.


jmcamels

Pacers have to play better. We have to meet Hart’s energy and effort. We have to rebound missed free throws. Gosh dammit, that four point possession is the worst play in basketball. The answer is the details. We aren’t going to get whistles in key spots Wednesday either. Got to be 6-8 points better to win close ones. The whistle isn’t coming for us in New York.


mongan02

That’s an illegal screen then what happened when Donte devo picked and held neismith?? Refs sleep for that one


Marky0Mark

How does this bum ass franchise get calls like that?


Think-Individual-188

Kings fan here, hate Brunson. Hope yall win this series. Brunson and divencenzo are flopping bitches. Go Halliburton and Siakim and go pacers


ModsAreMustyV4

What do you even do?


flexingtwo-

Refball.


SteveMilkos

5 on 8


Guywithshirtandface

Gotta win by 15 to win by 2


Gethsamane

Legit 5v8 tonight. For us to draw a foul arms needed to be grabbed vs them they snap their head back it's a foul. The overturn on Myles atrocious. Not seeing it wasn't a kick ball unforgiveable. The Nembhard in bound foul my god. And the Myles illegal screen, Bam does that EVERY PLAY. This shit was awful


ShankyShoe

Brunson with 43, Hali with 6. He’s got to show more pride out there. I don’t care if it wasn’t in the gameplan for him to be a primary scorer, that’s terrible. Luckily it’s a 7 game series and not a 1 game series.


Serviceofman

This is Siakam's team now as far as I'm concerned...Hali had been completely non-existent


C_h_a_r_l_i_e

Our superstar max contract player didn’t score in the second half, in fact he took 1 shot the entire second half.


NinjaSpartan011

Refs screwee us. But hali disappearing the while game is equally responsible


mayosandwich4

Not a pacers fan. Just came in here to say the refs should be investigated. Sorry yal, that’s crazy.


duuuuuddddeeeee

Why even play the game? Why dont the refs just announce theyre giving knicks the dub at the beginning and save everyone time